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10Gbit to the Home by 2010
womby writes "Nihon Keizai Shinbun report (Japanese) that NTT, Fujitsu and the Japanese Government are forming a working group to develop internet technologies that will hopefully allow homes to receve 10 gigabit internet connections by 2010.
'The Japanese government (the Ministry of Public Management, Home Affairs, Post and Telecommunication) are going to start a development plan next year that will increase the speed of the internet in Japan to 100 times faster than the current 100MB fibre internet, with partner companies it is aiming for completion by 2010.' A complete Translation is here, if my blog gets beaten into the ground try the Coral Cache Link."
'The Japanese government (the Ministry of Public Management, Home Affairs, Post and Telecommunication) are going to start a development plan next year that will increase the speed of the internet in Japan to 100 times faster than the current 100MB fibre internet, with partner companies it is aiming for completion by 2010.' A complete Translation is here, if my blog gets beaten into the ground try the Coral Cache Link."
First, we need hard drives and system buses that can get the data moving at this speed.
When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
Pr0n at the speed of .... damn that was quick!
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They (the media owners) plan to send the data so quickly, there will be no way to capture/record it to hard drives. It's all part of their plan.
the blog itself is running on a small shuttle box and the internet connection is one of the 100Mbit fibre connections mentioned in the article.
wordpress is supposed to scale ok, I have my fingers crossed.
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I'd be pleased just having 100Mbit to the home. By 2010 I might even have all my home machines upgraded to GigE...
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10gbps = 1.25GB/s = 2 DivX movies/s = 1 DVD-5/4s = 416 MP3s/s = Brown Trousers time for the MPAA = Roll over in grave time for RIAA
But seriously, imagine all the fun you could have downloading pr0n^H^H^H^H educational videos.
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People said that about 14.4, 28.8, 56k, and DSL.
By the time we have 10GBits in the home, porn, warez, and Linux distributions will hit a size large enough to make that not the worlds greatest connection.
It's always been that way.
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cue the "i'd be happy to have anything over 300 baud" posts.. .. NOW!
Hmmm, maybe like others here might've posted, the faster connections become the bigger files become, everything will probably be proportional. What's the big deal? Is it fast? Sure. But is it necessary?
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NO, its a serious question. Why do we really need this sort of insane bandwidth in ones home?
Cable today can do VOIP with video. Video on demand is across cable, today. Email even works on dialup ( well its mostly Spam now anyway so who cares ) Online games, dsl is enough.. There are rumors of going back to 'usage fees'.... overt P2P will be banned before 2010... ( if DRM and the 'media' doesn't kill general purpose computing by then ).. etc etc etc..
We cant download movies, songs and we only need so many ISO's of OSS software... so what why isn't the fact that we are underutilizing what we have today more then enough reason to stay with it?
Oh ya, they can charge us more to be mostly idle...
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This has the potential to make the internet a worse place than it is today. Currently, a 56k or cable modem when it is a zombie in a 14 year olds bot army cannot do much damage alone. The "1337" 14 year old must accumulate a huge number before he can make any real difference.
With 10 gigabit, the kiddie just has to get a few bots to cause a server to die, or if they are persitant enough to accumulate a huge amount of bots, they can do huge amounts of damage to the internet
Barring the advent of far more massive media, who, besides universities and governments would really need a 10 gigabit internet connection anyways?
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Then we can have the bandwidth to play Doom 3 multiplayer with more than a few people!
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And I'd be happy to have more than 50Kbit to some of the places I hang out!
that will hopefully allow homes to receve 10 gigabit internet
Okay, already, I'll learn Japanese. See you guys in six years... ;)
Harrumph... I get 14.5 Gbits to my house in a month! (if I stay dialled in continuosly, that is.. ;-) )
Hard Disks - you don't need HDD for video conferencing and such.
Buses - if you have 10 devices (3 TVs, 2 PCs, 2 video phones, 4 security cameras, 2 PlayStation 5) in your home, it shouldn't be too hard to use up that bandwidth. Any particular device alone wouldn't need to be able to use up the bandwidth, but all together, they could.
Just imagine how much bandwidth could be consumed by four kids playing virtual-reality games on the Internet...
And here I am, excited that other ISPs here in Australia are finally bringing in ADSL speeds that are faster than 1.5mbit/s. I'm going to go and cry in the corner now.
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can you imagine what this would do for servers ? Not to speak the backbone infrastructure.
I guess this stuff will be either for broadcast (TV-over-IP), for P2P to the provider (i.e. one or 2 hops away) or just sit there waiting for the bottleneck to unstop.
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"file-sharing" systems pumping around MP3 files are already using orders of magnitude more bandwidth than they should. The RIAA only generates a few gigabytes of new content per week, expressed as MP3 files. If it just went out on a netnews binary group, the bandwidth consumption would be trivial. No file would traverse any link more than once. No frantic inter-node polling.
The consumer electronics industry could just buy out the music industry and throw all the content into the public domain. The entire music industry isn't that big; it's about the size of Compaq when HP acquired it. Content could be viewed as a loss leader for the hardware.
Apple seems to be headed in that direction.
to tweak and squeeze pre-existing technology to its absolute boundaries (fiber optics in this case) until something new and revolutionary arrives from the West.
I can only hope a Western scientist, in the next 10 years, scientifically (but more likely serendipitously) stumbles upon something revolutionary and far reaching, espically if we want to extend such speads to our rural areas...
Forget 10Gbit to the home by 2010, I'd be happy with 10Mbit to my home now.
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Though not a major factor in everyones lives, I'd personally like to see the latency dealt with as well, things may be getting faster but it seems latency is largely ignored, there's not much hope for global telecommuiting if they don't address the latency as well *mumbles about that 10ms lag on adsl lines*
Think of all the small business openings this will create. Almost anyone will be able to start a small streaming media company without buying 20k/month in bandwidth. More bandwidth will mean the death of television as you know it.
I'm still on a 56K modem, you insensitive clod!
But seriously, to all the people saying "bleh! What are we ever going to need that kind of bandwidth for?", just remember: no one should need more than 640KB of memory.
Face it, people are constantly doing things which require more and more bandwidth. People will start wanting to stream HDTV-quality movies over the net from their favourite P2P ne...uh... I mean MPAA sanctioned distribution channel. They'll want online games with thousands and thousands of people with realistic physics, and audio chatting. They'll want...
Ah who am I kidding? This is for p0rn, plain and simple.
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With about 10 gigs of ram none of this is going to matter.
Harddrive Speed is important but ram is more important.
I love it. The NEW standard to measure bandwith.
DRM does not work in the current setup.
With that massive pipe, there is no need for local hard drive or other resource (tape/DVD) to hold information. It can all be on-demand.
With that setup you only need to see what you want see when you need it. AND PAID for it on per-use bases.
We are getting to what VNC was originally designed for... Central Processing centers with only remote display devices.
So nice plasam TV, with a keyboard, camera, mic and speakers (phone & music) attached. Add to it point at (touch) screen design and you have very the all propose enterantment and mind control device, that for $19.95 per month can spy on you.
Each human eye has about 4K x 3K retinal receptors triggering the optic nerve at about 40Hz. Assigning 2x2 32bit pixels to each, at 60Hz, is 2*8K*6K*60*4 bytes per person, per second. That's under 24GBps, with hifi audio channels and metadata, it's still under 25GBps per person, before our senses can't tell the difference from more data. 2:1 compression means 12.5GBps, or 100Gbps - only 10x more than these plans. The end of multimedia data networking might be just over the horizon, at least for one person at a time.
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Give it up, please.
"The consumer electronics industry could just buy out the music industry and throw all the content into the public domain. "
And just why would they do that? So a bunch of freeloaders can get free music? A business's purpose is to make money. Not be a charity. At best they'll go into the music business, and we'll pretty much be were we are now. Except you all be complaining about the "Consumer Electronics Industry (CEI)" instead of the RIAA.
....I can't even move my hand that fast.
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No, I disagree.
With Standard Definition Movies (in XViD and DiVX formats), the filesizes are remaining at around 700-1.4GB (1-2CDs). Not only that, thanks to more faster CPUs, more compression can be done which means a lower bitrate is needed for the same quality.
Not only that, home connection speeds have went from 512/768 to 2,3 and soon 4 and 5mbit/second.
Some things are the same, but music and movies are just staying the same size (unless HDTV rips start coming, but that's a long way off as we currently have no way to transfer a HDTV rip to a TV without use of large HDDs etc) which is bad, bad news for the music and movie companies.
For games, they have gone from 1-2CD in 2000, to 3-5 CD (or one DVD).
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I already have a 10Gbit link to my home.
Because in other parts of the world, people ARE allowed to download movies. Just in the United Fascist Theocracy of America the working classes are not permitted what people in civilized countries consider their birth right.
"I think this would change the way the internet is. With 10Gbit internet, you could almost have the entire world as one big Beowulf cluster!"
Or one big viral/ trojan clusterfuck.
Uhm, not bloody likely in the US. But in my neighborhood --somewhere in Asia that shall go nameless-- they're laying fiber in the street right in front of my house as I type, no lie, and I live way the hell out in the suburbs.
Right now I get 1Meg Up and 5Megs down DSL for thirty bucks a month. There's no reason for me to think 10Gigs on that fiber they just laid out front is unlikely in five years.
Maybe by 2010 I'll be able to get something other than a 56k connection... Cable and DSL isn't even remotely available here. You know it's bad when local paper celebrates the coming of dsl to a town that's 50 miles away.
If you are a member of the WTO, you will soon be coming on board. If you arent, you will be or you wont be allowed to trade with the rest of us.
You must not have heard of cases in other countries of similar acts from large businesses and governments.
You are not exempt from coming restrictions.. dont kid yourself.
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I was just in Tokyo on holiday and saw some Japanese friends I met in London. They were laughing that 512kbps was the normal broadband speed in London and 1Mbps was considered fast.
I guess they've just introduced 40Mbps over here...
The hard drive does not need to transmit at that speed if theres enough ram. Also the harddrive can have cache itself to speed the process. 128 megs of harddrive internal cache with 10 gigs of system ram and you might have the type of computer to take advantage of the speed.
By 2010 *IN JAPAN*
Yay. Great.
Lemme know when it hits the US.
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Its Another point is the movie and entertainment. Streaming video from home computer to home computer at 3000x2000 resolution. Video conferences so that there will be 16 of said streams needed, [30" flatpanels are going to be cheap.] Consider the idea that there are 4 family members sharing the connection too.
IPV6 is doing something on latency, the thing their design is going to do something on latency too. [By reducing conversion between optical network and other network.]
For the backbone bandwith. If you can wave multiplex 200 different frequencies and run at 50Ghz operation and bundle 1000 fibers to a single cable you are lacking some bandwith so they need some improvement on backbone to get em the bandwith, but still they could just assume for first generation that not everyone is going to use entire bandwith at same time, so you could just over subsribe it a lot, and just draw the 10Gb lines for last mile as those lines are NOT going to be upgraded. And upgrade the backbone as soon as there is technology todo that.
The backbone bandwith requirement will be huge which makes me wonder the powercomsumption of said network equipment!
There will be some die shrinks before 2010 so they may put single chip router, for it. With address table on same die/package as the routing logic. Hopefully mostly optical networking, etc...
The cooling of said single chip router maybe liquid, so they need extremely reliable liquid cooling available.
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Eh? That's not true at all.
Linux Distros are the same size today as they were 6 years ago. 1-2 main CDs for the main installation along w/ supplemental apps CDs which don't really count.
Most desktop apps like Office are still only 1 CD (600-700 megs). XP Home/Pro... 1 CD. Win2k3 1 CD.
Warcraft 3 - 1 CD. Doom 3 - 3 CDs. Riven (1997) - 5 CDs.
There hasn't been any increase whatsoever in the size of warez/apps/porn/whatever. The only thing has has changed has been the introduction to downloading DVD media like PS2 games or movies. Even still those only take a few hours to download on a 4Mbps connection.
We're talking 10Gbit in another 6 years. I highly doubt most apps will even double in size.. and even if they did, a common 2-5 CDs is nothing on a fast connection like that.
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Seriously - why not build out the bandwidth first, and then let people find new and interesting ways to use it?
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Why?
How about:
VOIP that doesn't suck like today?
Video conferencing that actually works?
Digital broadcasting in high definition without that awful blocky video compression hell?
On demand video games, films, tv, true hifi music etc?
On demand OS systems and office applications?
Remote office working , language education and the list goes on and on...
Everything that was promised by internet pioneers 10 years ago but couldn't be delivered due to poor bandwidth.
Will arrive at the same time as flying cars and DNF.
I want multiple feeds of high definition video. In raw form, that's 1.5 Gbps per stream. Compressed to "network feed quality", that's 45 Mbps per stream.
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There's no storage problem. GMail accounts will be 1 Terabyte by then. Email yourself a big attachment.
We won't have 2GHz processors that wait 99.999% of the time for your every keystroke, like they do now. They will be 20 GHz and will wait 99.9999%.
There will be mods that turn a motherboard into a radar.
Britney Spears will be an old married woman by then. You will be able to examine her stretch marks in high definition detail.
Not only that, home connection speeds have went from 512/768 to 2,3 and soon 4 and 5mbit/second.
I already get 4Mb at home, and 6Mb is offered in my area. In Japan, apparently 20-30Mbit is common. My colleages there get that speed, at least.
With all the jokes about getting pr0n faster, I think people may be forgetting that it is porn that drives technology at many levels.
vhs/beta, dvd, and i'm sure broadband internet, to an extent, all pushed by porn. So when you wank, wank in thanks for porn to the home by video cassettes, dvds, and 10 gbit internet.
Imagine a beowolf cluster of GMailFS's with multiple load-balanced 10Gbit connections? I think I'd crap my pants... or not.
That will mean more Jappanesse kids using Winny and Share (the developmet after winny that is almost imposible to find) in 2010.In Japan it is considered illeagal to develop p2p file sharing aplications so there will be more clandestine way to hide data by the year 2010 .
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See here if you don't find this funny (search for 'in japan').
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Enough with the technical mumbo-jumbo. I just want to know how many Libraries of Congress that is per minute.
One, they're doing this in Japan for those of you that didn't RTFA. Second, everyone's complaining we won't have any use for this bandwidth. I call bullshit. True we probably won't have any uses that will require a full 10Gbps 24/7. However, having that big a pipe will makes things tons faster when you do want to do something. You'd be able to buy a dvd online and download it in a few seconds rather than hours. The rest of the time, the pipe might sit there unused.
Welcome our new high bandwidth overlords
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People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
But the upload speed will still be around 128Kb/s.
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Think about the bandwidth required for a hologram. A typical hologram can resolve 5000 lines per millimeter. A 10 by 10 cm holographic plate therefore contains 250 billion "pixels", times (presumably) 32-bit color resolution per pixel means you could easily get a terabyte per frame. I think our only hope for storing this much data is a holographic hard drive or a quantum-type hard drive.
Bah... call me when I can upload my conciousness into a computer net. Or when they figure out what my conciousness *is*.
I seem to recall Office 2003/XP is three CD's
(Only one was actually needed, really) the other two were clip art, and tutorials respectively
Bring on the pr0n!
There are comments all over this article about how hard it is to keep up with a 10 Gbit connection.
Am I the only person in the world who shares an internet connection between multiple computers? Do you honestly think that I can't use up 10 Gbit when routing it across seven computers which are heavily used by a mixture of people demanding low latency and high through-put?
Movies are the largest file type (cept Isos etc of course) which the adverage home user downloads.
We have nearly enough speed behind our net connections now (in most places anyway, the UK seems to lag) that you can stream any type of media accross the net and not have any problems.
When everyone has this almost perfect net, it will mean there will be no more need for FASTER networks. Hopefully then, they will start working once again on the backbone, making it more secure, making it less error prone.
Only reason we need much faster networks at all, is for industial and scientific uses. Both of which can deal with MASSIVE data tranfers, how ever, these have already over come this problem, by having their own deicated networks (such as Internet2 for the education system).
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This kind of speed will be used for streaming radio and TV. We need A/D converters which run that fast! More realistic, we need multicast enabled routers able to handle this shit.
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Nerd: I make a program that downloads porn off the Internet 1000 times faster.
Marge: Hmm, does anyone need that much porn?
Homer [drooling]: Ohh... 1000 times faster...
Screw Japan, what about getting OC style connex to the USA homes?
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"People said that about 14.4, 28.8, 56k, and DSL."
And I'm still saying that about DSL. It's nice to know that if I lived in the heart of New York City or Los Angeles that I might be able to get 10 Gb/s, but right now my router says it's dialling in at 24 kb/s.
Its really about what other stuff you can get to the home. Excellent phone service, HDTV streams, videoconferencing, telecommuting, etc. I'm sure the **AAs are craping their pants however...
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In a research project near my university, a professor wants to be able to store roughly 30 GB/s.
He is sampling some states in the nervous system.
O'course, he a bio prof, but that gives you some idea about scientific computation.
Now, let's think video.
Say in 10 years professional movie makers film in voxels, not pixels. That takes an incredible amount of storage.
Or say gaming- instead of relying on mega-servers to handle your rpg, you can run a 256-player game from your home machine without blinking.
I would wager only bus limitations prevent one from doing that with a modern 2 CPU system.
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You have a 10 gigabit per second connection to the central office. Your neighbor does too. So do most of your neighbors. Yet you all have a line that runs all the way to the CO before it can connect with anything else?
At this time, we've got network speeds at home (Gigabit ethernet) that can rival a small internet backbone over a distance of a few hundred meters. Now, suppose you and 16-ish neighbors were to buy a 24-port gigabit hub. You can all hook into that hub and have faster-than-lightning access to each other's data. You have something like 4 to 8 ports of the hub left open.
Now, similar groups do the same, and you link to 4-8 of their gigabit hubs. Now 60 to 80 people have burning-fast access to each other for gaming, data exchange, web pages, etc.
This trend continues, with an expanding web of people having uber-speed links to each other. Eventually, you truly have an internet without ISPs because EVERYONE is an ISP.
[Now I might be missing something here... Would you need a computer as a router between each 24-port switch? As in, can the switch route subnets through it's ports?]
There are several technological hurdles to this. First, everyone on your network would have to connect using IP6. This is because everyone on this new network has to talk to each other and that means each needs a public IP address. Unfortunately, the IP space under IP4 is getting VERY tight. Now, I just tried to find out what the "private" addresses for IP6 are, but holy shit... my brain imploded trying to read the RFC. Something about 5 addresses per interface (???)? Uh, yeah... Anyway, other problems would be how to deal with malicious hackers and viruses/worms/etc having gigabit speed access to millions of computers. But other than that, most of the requisite material is already available, no?
stationwagon filed with tapes speeding down the highway...
Ok I won't, but latency is important too.
Shame on you commander - not knowing such a simple word as "newspaper" in Japanese.
You know i had doom1 given to me on a few floppies, same thing for warcraft, or windows 3.1.
And MSDOS fitted enterily on one 1.44 floppy, not so long ago...
700 megs / 1.44 = 486,11. Yay, a recent os is about 400 times bigger than msdos something like 12 years ago...
Almost any stay-at-home wife will be able to start a small streaming media company ;-)
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...that RealPlayer will still be Buffering 0%... 10%... 20%...
I've got 100Mb connection at home (yes, I'm Swedish). And sure, it's nice to be able to download a 700MB DivX-movie from my local DC++-hub (usually takes about 2-3 minutes), but that's the only I really make full use of my connection, since most people on kazaa or eDonkey has 10Mb or even slower connections.
You must have been using Suse. Debian Sarge (the upcoming release) is 1 CD for the basic install, and 11 CDs more if you want to do more than basic things with it. These values are for ia32-CPUs, the coming 64-bit CPUs might see a twofold increase in binary size... (I don't have any data on that, though...)
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I haven't watched TV for years after getting cable internet. I won't have to wait for some new speed boost for that to happen.
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Most importantly, the size of a linux distribution is limited by the amount of OSS programmer time available. Every bit of code results from a programmer spending valuable thinking time on the code.
The only possibility I can see for linux distributions growing suddenly multiple orders of magnitude is if there's some reason to include prerecorded video streams in the distribution. The reason could be hand-holding video documentation and tutorials. Or the long-awaited pr0nLinux (includes everything a nerd needs!)
We will be lucky if we can get 384k DSL! to most homes by 2010.
Remember the ILEC's took rate increase after rate increase to 'deploy broadband services like ISDN' Still can't get ISDN in most locations (useful for T1 backup) The money went towards divdends for shareholders and buying wireless companies.
Bring back the regulated monopoly i.e. you get to make 5-9% profit but you must deliver services to all comers _not_ just the most profitable markets.
Italy has fiber to the home! Here in the US if you have a major facility (1000+ People) you might be able to get the ILEC to install a fiber.
Would have figured it would be growing somewhat faster...
How is it that almost everyone here feels this is meant for strictly one pc and tends to whine about Hard Drive speeds and bus speeds in a single PC not being able to keep up? Has so few here remembered or just not used Voice over IP? What about video conferencing devices? And the days ahead when you just may get your Television feed through your internet connection? The power of the internet is we are leveraging it to do everything we want it to do and coming up with more it can do daily. That is where both cost savings and innovation are most prominent at, and it's why we should encourage it most. Incidentally, one of the greatest innovations to date, and yet misunderstood is still Voice over IP, as it was the next logical step to fostering and encouraging still developing nations to partake in a global environment. But I digress, lets lose the ideals of Hard drives for a moment and think about the jealousy we should feel here in the states (for those of us living here) and remember, it must be nice to live on a tiny island at times. All joking aside this should allow us to focus on trying to encourage the same elsewhere and to try to think of more useful ways we could indeed use a connection such as that aside from surfing porn and the like. Not that having a passtime is so bad either ;-) ...
Why keep governments keep spending money on such idiotic tasks as getting fast internet to the home. The only place where that's interesting is for areas that are difficult to cover using current technologies.
What I would really like to see is a government that has more than a token presentation on the internet. Please let me use that internet connection for real tasks, instead of trying to improve the connection. The market will do that for you.
Anyway, all the projects the government started up in the Netherlands have turned into vapourware anyway, so they are not only the wrong person to implement fast internet connections, they actually can't cut it.
Now give me a freaking linux/apple or java version to fill in my freaking taxes. Currently I have to buy Microsoft products to even USE the currently available government services.
Having that much capacity to the home will only work if it's better than other technologies that meet people's needs and desires.
Most people use bandwidth to get inbound audiovisual, two-way audiovisual (telephone, webcams), and to give and share "data" whatever that means.
90% of Americans don't and probably won't do more than:
1) watch or record-for-later-playback a few tv channels or other audiovideo streams at once
2) talk on more than a couple videophones per person at once
3) search for or download information that's useful to them.
Other than high-end users with "home theater" systems (which could easily consume such bandwidth) I just don't see a mainstream market for it before 2020. It would be neat to play Star Wars in the same format that it played in "digital" theaters, but broadcast on my living-room wall.
Heck, if we took the cumulative bandwidth of "500 channel digital cable" and reallocated it to packet-data, we'd have a very big pipe. Not 10Gb, but very big. String a few of these in parallel to your neighborhood fiber connection and you could have 10Gb in short order. The only things not widely available (?) is the technology to "bond" multiple coaxes into one virtual pipe a la serial line bonding of the 1990s, and the lack of standards and a viable economic model.
10Gb and higher will come to the home, but only when their's either a natural market at the price it's offered, or it becomes only marginally more expensive to offer than lower-bandwidth connections.
On the flip side, it'll be nice to download Knoppix in less than a second. Of course, by then Knoppix will be 4 times as big, at least, but even 4 seconds is better than half an hour or more.
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I have 10 MBit. It's very common here (Sweden). (And yes, it actually, really does reach that speed, all the time when I transfer files.)
My wife is Japanese and we go over there often. Japan already has 26Mbit ADSL (vs. lame 768k in the US).
It is actually 26Mbit down and 1.5Mbit up. Which still kicks the butt of anything in the US. Oh yeah and it is about $30-35 US dollars a month.
It really burns me up! Why do US Telco's suck so much compared to Japan? I lived in Japan in '94-95; at that time the US was way ahead in business and home use of the Internet. Now it is a different story. I think South Korea also has awesome service. Europe?
Yahoo Broadband is one of the major service providers in Japan. YahooBB please come to the US and give us some real broadband!!
-Andy
Couldn't we do something like this with dirigibles and x-ray lasers? I thought everyone was moving away from wires?
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So basically, not much has changed since Office 97?
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
A few weeks ago, I was wondering what kind of internet speed consumers needed for everyone to be happy. I settled for 10 Gbps which is roughly what is needed for 4 concurrent HDTV streams at the highest resolution. up to three 250Mbps streams would be available at all times leaving a fourth available for all your browsing/downloding/uploading/gaming needs. I think that a true 10 Gbps symmetrical connection should be enough for anyone for the next 20 years at least.
I wonder how many years it'll take the U.S to get these kind of speeds in all high/medium density areas. I estimate that in about 5-6 years, we'll be where Japan was 3 years ago. Roughly 10 years behind...
Flawless, colorful, and I like it. ... they gotta learn to think-outside-the-box. ... and Congress members to understanding reality (shit happens and things change, fighting reality is not health for the USA). The US has controlled by fed-mandate and/or corporate welfare policy science and technology to the continuing determent of the citizens' resources/choice economic stupidity, .... We (in the USA) are going nowhere fast in science, technology, capitalism, ... due to dejure-stupidity and corporate give aways. ... whoever. Our bonds ain't in big demand anymore. ... well for the idiot politician, the answer is don't worry, we promise to leave no one behind, but your damn stupid laws are leaving the USA further and further behind on science, technology, medicine, global economy, education, .... ... I here when they get out of high school they can all read, but we have college grads that have problems with books written for USA eighth graders.
____ Maybe the US Congress and Senate will learn eventually that the (waste of time and money) laws passed, over the last 20 years, will be overcome by events in foreign countries that they can only control by threat/action. That making of citizens criminals to provide corporate welfare is almost treasonous. All the science, technology, and capitalism control laws are a waste of time
____ Why is it so damn hard for FBI, CIA, NSA, DOD, management in general (3/4's or more, even in business)
____ We are about 11th in telecommunications services, about 40th in education, and falling into the economic pit of buy-by-loan technology developed and manufactured in other countries, how long until the loans are cut off by World-Bank,
____ Why do we need all the bandwidth, more RAM then 64K, harddisk bigger than 10M,
____ Why don't we use the Irish or the Brits as our model education systems
OldHawk777
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
Nah, Gentoo.
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Bout 1.5 CDs.
Like I said, supplementary/apps CDs don't count
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
I downloaded 1 ISO for Office XP.
The other CDs were probably extra fluff that's not needed.
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
Yeah, I said 6 years, not 10-12.
Either that or Doom/Warcraft 1/Win3.1 came out in 1998 in your area of the world.
Games popular 6 years ago:
StarCraft: 1 CD
Quake 2: 1 CD
Diablo: 1 CD
Half-Life: 1 CD
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
Sweet! The band Bad Religion have a song called "10 in 2010"! Although I don't think this is what they were talking about.
EM waves should travel at the speed of light in air (which is pretty near the speed of light in vacuum) in coaxial cables. Of course, in optical fibers it will be significantly slower...
The processors run a loop, waiting for the interrupt.