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Microsoft Advised To Learn To Love Linux

mikael writes "ZDnet is reporting that the management guru Clayton Christensen (author of "The Innovator's Dilemma") has advised Microsoft to learn to love Linux. In particular he advises Microsoft to purchase "Research in Motion", otherwise they will see their applications sucked off from the desktop and onto handheld devices such as the Blackberry."

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  1. Love already there by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft already loves Linux.

    They bought SCO didn't they?

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    1. Re:Love already there by Joel+Carr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft already loves Linux.

      Well I'm not so sure about Microsoft, but I know Bill Gates does. The internet says so, and it never lies!!

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    2. Re:Love already there by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

      s/becuase/because
      s/your/you're

      need sleep..


      s/sleep/life

      Joking!! I joke because I love. And probably because I need to get my own life.

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  2. Article has a flair for the dramatic by Dante+Shamest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft's revenues/profits have been positive so far. Maybe they will face "oblivion"...but not in this decade.

    1. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, at times people seem to think that Microsoft could just implode one day due to a bad business decision and almost immediately cease to exist.

      People seem to forget that if Microsoft were to completely pull out of the Operating System, Office, games and internet markets (and just about everything else) and devote themselves to say... selling sol.exe (Solitaire for the non windows persons) for a dozen different platforms... even without a single sale, the pile of cash they are sitting on, in addition to their assets would be sufficient to keep them afloat for many many years.
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    2. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by jordandeamattson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hi Dante -

      What Christen has demonstrated in his research, is that innovative companies have an unfortunate tendency to hold onto their existing business and an unwillingness to "eat their own young".

      While this doesn't lead to an immediate collapse, it does impact them negatively and once the downward spiral starts, it can go very fast.

      Yours,

      Jordan

    3. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The trouble with a "pile of cash" is that unless you are paying dividends and/or getting good stock growth, investors will start looking at it.

    4. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Kippesoep · · Score: 5, Funny

      Considering how many people use their PC for the sole purpose of playing Solitaire, it might actually be a viable business model.

    5. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by strider44 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That pile of cash can be wittled away very quickly if they aren't just forced to not sell anything, but are forced to fight a losing marketing battle which, again, can get extremely expensive.

      None-the-less you're right - Microsoft won't burn in a day.

    6. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Spoing · · Score: 4, Insightful
      1. The trouble with a "pile of cash" is that unless you are paying dividends and/or getting good stock growth, investors will start looking at it.

      Exactly. This is also one of the main reasons for Microsoft and many other companies doing really dumb things for short term gains.

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    7. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Rahga · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trust me, GNOME Aisleriot has completely overtaken MS Solitaire. Have you seen the latest 1600x1200 screenshot?

    8. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yeah, I really wonder if the author of the article did any research on the subject before he started writing.

      MS is putting a lot of effort into getting their software on handheld devices. There's:

      As you can see, Microsoft is already pretty serious about getting their software onto handheld devices. Their marketing department also seems to have done a fine job in taking what are basically two versions of their OS, and turning it into a line of unique products for all the new emerging markets.
    9. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People seem to forget that if Microsoft were to completely pull out of the Operating System, Office, games and internet markets (and just about everything else) and devote themselves to say... selling sol.exe (Solitaire for the non windows persons) for a dozen different platforms... even without a single sale, the pile of cash they are sitting on, in addition to their assets would be sufficient to keep them afloat for many many years.

      Not true at all. If Microsoft did this, their shareholders would demand the cash pile be given back to them immediately. If they didn't comply, the investors would get rid of the board and install another one with a sensible business plan. Microsoft could well implode under such extreme conditions.

      Rich.

    10. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by DenDave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You may be right. However, just imagine for one second that a serious competitor succeeds in taking over 50% of the desktop market. How much in terms of annual revenue will Microsoft have to "make-up" with alternative business in order to uphold it's credit rating and cashflow? Billions, you are correct in assuming. How easy is it to come up with a business plan that can generate billions within the short to medium run? Not!

      Unless you play dirty, and by dirty I mean attempt to gain control of consumer behaviour in a proprietary sense, that is. to proprietarize behaviour that is currently non-propriety.

      You have guessed it: entertainement. Microsoft is aware of the potential revenue loss due to encraoching platforms and wishes to maintain revenue by getting control over music and movies and forcing it's proprietary format to maintain billions in revenue..

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    11. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Foofoobar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Truly fascinating when you consider that they had to cut millions from employee benefits in order to declare a profit last quarter. Speaking as a someone who works across the street from them and whose company depends on them directly for 90% of their business, these guys are bleeding all over the floor. Sure they are an 8,000 lb gorilla but even they are not filled with an unlimited blood supply.

      But that's not the problem. The problem is that people in the industry have just seen Linux and Open Source strike that blow and are now realizing that if they ever questioned Microsoft's leadership, they have a new ally... and an ally that has the ability to hurt Microsoft. Camp lines are being drawn and the gorilla is hurt. This is when he's the most dangerous of course.

      Of course, OOS and Linux have not yet achieved maturity but they have established unbreakable inroads so even if the gorilla wa able to stave them off, they could not truly reduce the size and interest in it at this point.

      Open source effectively checkmates Microsoft's 8000 lb gorilla; Because Microsoft is heavily reliant upon maintaining a shrinking monopoly, they must focus all their energies on keeping it from growing.

      The patent wars have already begun and they will wage for probably another 10 years and there is only one obvious way to go and that is a better patent process and the negation of existing patents. This will strike a SERIOUS blow to Microsoft and the best that they can hope for is to influence the process because by this point, supporters of OOS and Linux will effectively have a greater combined strength.

      Microsoft's best hope is to entrench themselves in the desktop. As programming evolves, people will be spending far less time making products work together and more time building tools using tools (rather than the raw materials of machine language, etc). As a direct result of this, people will be developing for solely for environments. We already see this now with .NET and LAMP in that people are using tools built to interact with each other and to help them build other tools that can effectively communicate unhindered in a specific environment.

      By focusing on the desktop alone (and abandoning the server market), Microsoft can force Linux developers and supporters to focus their attention on the server side and while they fight amongst themselves for dominance, Microsoft can effectively move away from the server market and further entrench themselves in the desktop market/environment and effectively split computer science education into server side development and client side development.

      Microsoft DOES need to embrace the inevitable otherwise risk losing it all. But they must also throw out a large enough bone for the open source community to fight over to effectively remove their attention from their combined enemy and allow Microsoft to steal one last toy and make their getaway.

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    12. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No what will happen is they will insist on building everything with Windows software, so their margins will be weak or non-existant on many products. This will mean Office and Windows remain expensive as these are their means of raising revenue (to cover the losses).

      So basically they'll never move beyond the Windows/Office market (which is saturated already).

      Anyway, I don't want them to embrace Linux, I want them to fail. They've abused their dominance and deserve to decline.

    13. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Truly fascinating when you consider that they had to cut millions from employee benefits in order to declare a profit last quarter.

      Not even close to true. Microsoft cut perscription benefits to require employees to use generics if available. The savings was estimated at $20M.

      Microsoft sells, what $25B of stuff per year, invests $6B in R&D, and you think this $20M was needed to ensure they weren't posting a loss? Check the annual report. Your statement isn't even close.

    14. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by mforbes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't say it in so many words, but from your post I get the feeling that you're under the impression that Linux is effecting the total number of copies of Windows sold. I doubt this is true-- the raw number keeps going up. It's the proportion of the market that uses Windows that's going down, if only so slightly yet, as many people switch to Linux. The profits, however, are made on the total number of copies sold, not the market share.

      My apologies if that's not what you intended to say. I don't mean this post to be argumentative.

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    15. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      aking as a someone who works across the street from them and whose company depends on them directly for 90% of their business

      If they see this comment, they may buy their hamburgers elsewhere...

    16. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by killjoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you read the Clayton's book you would have read examples where companies have blown billions of dollars trying to grow. If investors start abandoning the company then the management will start to flail and that's when mistakes get made and billions are flushed down the drain in bad aquisitions, entering into goofy markets etc.

      MS has been successful in leveraging their desktop monopoly into a monopoly on office software but they failed miserably in leveraging it into a monopoly on server, internet, consumer devices, game consoles, perhipherals etc. They keep trying (bless their hearts) but it's just not working. Now their desktop and office monopoly is in jeapordy.

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    17. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      or through government or business contracts who also get HUGE discounts.

      And get even BIGGER discounts if they're smart enough to put a Tux plush toy on the corner of their desk while negotiating.

      In the short term, that's perhaps the biggest danger to Microsoft's desktop revenues. Linux may not be making major inroads on the desktop, but it is forcing Microsoft to cut their prices -- sometimes dramatically -- in order to keep from losing market share.

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    18. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True. But other people seem to forget that Microsoft does not exist in a vacuum. If investors see a sudden drop in income with no end in sight, they'll abandon Microsoft in droves. People don't invest in corporations "because it's there;" they do so to make a good return on that investment.

      The company itself may stay afloat and pay its bills, but that doesn't matter to anyone except the employees. MS has always positioned itself as a growth company. That's changing, and they know it.

    19. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Insightful


      It's the proportion of the market that uses Windows that's going down, if only so slightly yet, as many people switch to Linux. The profits, however, are made on the total number of copies sold, not the market share.


      Then why do so many people care about market share?

      Microsoft's profits on per-unit sales of Windows is debatable. Keep in mind how fluid pricing is for large customers. Also keep in mind what came to light about OEM pricing from "Windows Refund Day" and Microsoft's court battles. The sale of Windows isn't important.

      What is important is the USE of Windows. Microsoft needs a (somewhat) homogenous platform that they control. This enables them to push their techical agenda (which in itself isn't a bad thing). Doing this not only enables them to develop technology on their own terms, but it helps ensure its THEIR products being deployed. But it's not the per-unit sale of enterprise applications either. It's licensing. Enter the CAL (Client Access License). A server application that might cost a few thousand may end up generating millions in user licensing.

      The key to that money is becoming the gatekeeper. Once one is in such a position, every user is a nominal fee. And those fees add up. If you look at Microsoft's new businesses... from the Xbox to .Net / Passport to DRM... it's all about being the gatekeeper. And to do that, you need people to use your gate.
    20. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by satchboogie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They have done no worse than many other monopoly companies. That's the name of the game, stay alive and crush the competitors any way possible. Walmart is doing a great job of that.

      We, in Ontario, only recently received changes in our services markets. There used to be only Bell Canada for telephones, Ontario Hydro for electricity, and Union Gas for natural gas. That was it. Due to open markets, these companies are now mainly distributers for other sales/service companies. Of course they have their own sales/service sectors, but they have become wise(er) than their monopoly days.

      They enjoyed the monopoly and made a LOT of cash (or incurred a massive debt in the case of Hydro One - formerly Ontario Hydro) and now have had to streamline themselves and compete. They have the "trust" of the masses however to help them compete. Familiarity does help. Be honest, how many people there actually know what is going on with a computer? They will go for what they know and that is Windows Desktops (servers are a different ball of wax, people who use them know a lot about computers - I hope).

      MS is in the same boat. While the government is only making small dents into their dreams, they still should plan for a future with successive competitors. I am quite certain their shareholders, their Board of Governors, and their top personel (top paid that is) have well considered the impact of Linux and OOS companies. They are not stupid. They did not become the dominent player by fluke.

      They may not play all that fair, but they do play hard and they are definitely considering the future. MS is playing a clever game of chess and I highly doubt a company like that is foolish enough to lose any time soon.

      MS will evolve as many of the former monopolists have evolved. They will use everything they have to their advantage and they have more up their sleeve than anyone else knows.

      And if they are smart, they will use their own employees to deceive the masses, this helps in the element of surprise. It is the old addage, if you don't want people knowing what you are up to, don't tell anyone!

      Personally, I am sick of XP and SP2. Once I am totally comfortable with commandline linux (the GUI for MEPIS is quite easy to migrate from Windows over to Linux) I will not bother with Windows unless abosolutely necessary.

    21. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Foofoobar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. This is what I mean by them effectively countering each other. And since Microsoft has always been a desktop company, they would rather lose their server market share than their desktop share; they'll fight alot harder to avoid inroads being made into the desktop but they can't avoid losing market share of servers and I think they have accepted that and will be circling the wagons around the desktop for the next few years.

      Since Microsoft has never TRULY dominated the server market (at least not in the sense that they dominated the desktop), this is the easiest win for Linux and seems to be the way it is heading currently. Once the server market has effectively been tied up and gift wrapped for Linux, it will be up to Microsoft to work with industry standards and if any of Microsofts protocols, tools or other toys like ActiveX start behaving wierdly or becoming a security risk, servers can effectively block them.

      Once Linux has tied up the server market, Microsoft will HAVE to get along and be forced to embrace Linux to a certain extent. We are already seeing them soften their stance by no longer saying it is a cancer but their approach behind closed doors is still the same.

      As a side effect, once they become second class citizens on the server market and are focused on the desktop, I believe they can justify removal of alot of apps from the desktop that currently make it insecure and problematic; right now, they can't justify it yet because they still feel they can win this one but they are just avoiding the inevitable.

      The industry demands open standards and Microsoft demands that they be able to own those standards; the two concepts are incompatible thus forcing the industry to rise against Microsoft as a whole (the Sender-id fiasco is a prime example).

      Microsofts best bet is to start focusing on the desktop and stop worrying about the server. But they won't do that yet as they have too much invested. Instead, Microsoft will started attacking the vendors and companies around Linux and Open Source soon claiming patent violation or something like that and attempt to either exhaust their cash flow and effectively choke them to death or try to buy out key developers and bring them into the MS fold. In other words, if you cannot knock the guy down, kick his legs out from under him.

      Both of these attempts will fail but for reasons that Microsoft doesn't understand fully. Suing people for patent violation COULD work but the community as a whole will question those patents and as a result, Microsoft could end up LOSING intellectual property as a result. But more importantly, they are still seen as an arrogant bully and this will further damage their appearance to customers. True, it will also damage the people who they are suing but if you try to tell people that you cannot create something yourself and give it away for free, most people will agree that is wrong.

      Also, patent law protects people who build things themselves for personal use as long as they do not try to prosper from it and it can be effectively argued that a Linux distro is sold as a compilation and that the person themselves could compile the info themselves as well.

      In the long run, they are fighting an inevitable battle in which they will be brought down to a equal level with the other major players on the field.

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    22. Re:Article has a flair for the dramatic by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More than Linux's actual presence is it's implication that standards should all be open. Something that Mac has embraced as have many app developers for Windows.

      Microsoft's software isn't what perpetuates it's monopoly it's their utter disregard for interoperability something that companies like IBM, and other's are pushing really really hard right now.

      The sad thing is that Microsoft never acheived total standardization, their products didn't have perfect backwards compatability and therefore customers always were concerned about whether things would work. This was partially due to not controlling their OS's hardware and application infrastructure. If Linux took over today it would be a nightmare for the average user (me included). If embracing Linux means allowing a greater level of interoperability then there will be no war, but linux may already have won.

  3. Ahhh by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny
    they will see their applications sucked off from the desktop
    Wow. Now that would be some innovative internet pr0n.
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    1. Re:Ahhh by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Funny
      they will see their applications sucked off from the desktop
      Wow. Now that would be some innovative internet pr0n.

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  4. Extremely interesting... by jordandeamattson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who has read much of Christensen's work, I am not surprised that he would make this suggestion (and I agree with it), but I am excited to see it out in public...

    I agree with him that the greatest threat that Microsoft faces is the unwillingness to destroy its existing business to create a new business.

    Why won't Microsoft bring Office to Linux? Because that would undercut the Windows business.

    Why hasn't Microsoft gone ahead with a truly revolutionary approach to a MediaPlayer or Handheld? Because that would undercut the Windows business.

    It is about keeeping the Windows business going. Think about it, how many differnet flavors of "Windows" have we seen for totally different uses and platforms?

    Yours,

    Jordan

    1. Re:Extremely interesting... by tarunthegreat2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why won't Microsoft bring Office to Linux? Because that would undercut the Windows business.

      Hafta take issue here....umm.. do you actually think that anybody in the Slashdot community would use Office if it were ported over to Linux? (I would, I don't mind Office as much as I dislike Windows, but I think I'm in a clear minority...)

    2. Re:Extremely interesting... by DJ-Dodger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How about: they won't bring Office to Linux because there aren't enough potential customers to justify the cost of the port?

      There may be more Linux users than Mac users now, but I believe and I'm sure their market research must show, that a much smaller percentage of Linux users would actually purchase and use Office.

    3. Re:Extremely interesting... by HBI · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Office were on Linux I could port all my end users to Linux without issue.

      OOO /Star/Koffice/whatever just aren't good enough to prevent the person proposing the change losing their job once the end users have trouble interoperating with Windows clients. If it's Office, just blame Microsoft and keep your job.

      And yes, I would keep a copy to stop from having to dual boot like I do now.

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    4. Re:Extremely interesting... by Gandalfar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lots of users would use MS Office because they're lazy and they know how to use it.

    5. Re:Extremely interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't dislike MS Office either. I only dislike Micrsoft's practices, but not their products.

    6. Re:Extremely interesting... by prescot6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Office were on Linux I could port all my end users to Linux without issue.

      I completely agree. Think about everything that your average user uses their computer for. You get internet/email and office, and a couple other programs such as Quicken... and games.

      If you have Office, it makes it so much easier for the user because instead of having to learn ALL new programs, they just have to use a different internet browser.

    7. Re: Extremely interesting... by gidds · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Actually, the point is: how many Linux users would buy Office?

      Even in the Windows world, where users are used to paying exorbitant fees for software, Office would still be in trouble without OEM deals, bundling, and other reductions. Without those, and in a market used to getting software for free, the prospects can't look good...

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    8. Re:Extremely interesting... by kasperd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      do you actually think that anybody in the Slashdot community would use Office if it were ported over to Linux?

      Too late for me. I would have liked to use Microsoft Office ten years ago, but there was no version for AmigaOS. I probably couldn't have afforded it anyway, the price was pretty high for a highschool student. At the university using LaTeX was a requirement for some of our exercises. I still use LaTeX and is satisified with it. Plaintext works well with version control systems, and you don't have to deal with corrupt files in binary formats.

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    9. Re:Extremely interesting... by skiman1979 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If Office were on Linux I could port all my end users to Linux without issue.

      If MS Office was ported to Linux, do you think it would operate in the same way? With the same features? I've seen other applications ported from Windows to Linux and the Linux version did not have nearly the same capabilities. For example, IM clients like AIM and Yahoo Messenger. The Linux ports of those apps are a bit different from the Windows versions. They may have less bugs (perhaps), but the application itself has a different interface. If MS Office were ported, I can see the same thing happening. MS ports a watered-down, ugly version of MS Office to Linux so they can say "See, Linux isn't so great." If the Linux port of Office isn't exactly the same as the Windows port, Windows users won't so easily switch.

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    10. Re:Extremely interesting... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you have Office, it makes it so much easier for the user because instead of having to learn ALL new programs, they just have to use a different internet browser.
      Don't be so naive. If Office is ever ported, it will be ported with IE, ActiveX, VBScript and all other goodness.
    11. Re:Extremely interesting... by HBI · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All I can say in response to this is that the Macintosh version of Office has always been a superior looking product, if not always superior operating. Version 5.1 for the Macintosh (circa 1992?) is still damn usable today.

      If they put out a crappy version, no one will use it at first. They'll be forced to improve. 3 revs later and it'll be decent.

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    12. Re:Extremely interesting... by arendjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But then again, currently Linux is slowly eating into Windows' market share. Right now for about every lost Windows user they also loose an Office (which earns them more than Windows) user. Currently, Office is a very strong instrument in keeping the Windows monopoly intact, but if Windows looses out too much it will also undercut Office. So porting Office to Linux could at least keep their Office monopoly intact a bit longer. So it may not be a matter of attracting potential customers that much as it will be about keeping their existing customers.

    13. Re:Extremely interesting... by HBI · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's bring over the Excel spreadsheet with the clunky macros written in VBA format that they use for payroll.

      How about a powerpoint with multi-megabyte embedded graphics. Will the layout be identical? I can tell you now - no.

      How about that Access database they use in HR to keep track of some absolutely vital bullshit that I have no idea about...what about that?

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    14. Re: Extremely interesting... by SvendTofte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The target group for any MS Office for Linux would be used to paying. The largest group is the corporate sector, where having your licenses in order is actually the norm, then not. How it fares for homeusers is something else. Some people do buy Office standalone, others pirate it, others can get it through their Office (that deal where you can install it on your home PC).

      If Office for Linux was out, I'd bet good money it would sell well.

    15. Re:Extremely interesting... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I work in the "business world". And for 6 months, I have written everything in OpenOffice.org. And I'd rather send everything in PDF because fonts will be preserved, and there's less chance of someone altering it.

    16. Re:Extremely interesting... by ahfoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Id' say that is the real problem for MS right there. Most businesses don't use the latest version of Word. Not only that, a huge number aren't using the latest version of the OS either. They're already their own biggest competition. That's a real problem.
      This is the squeeze play problem and its a very serious problem from a business perspective. For the lazy, if-it-aint-broke-don't-fix-it crowd you've got this unwillingness to upgrade. Then on the other side you've got the geeks who want the latest toys and love to tweak everything. Hmm, already lost them to Open Source. So, they're stuck in the middle trying to sound innovative and yet unable to change too much. The only guaranteed clients are those that are somehow forced to buy the product or those who aren't too concerned about IT budgets. In times of growth, the latter can be found in adbundance if you market your upgrade as the safe thing to do. But growth is patchy these days.
      Business wise, where they're at is not a good place to be right now.

    17. Re:Extremely interesting... by mdfst13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "you should have an IT-user-whatever (user service/support) which should do that job for you."

      No, no. You *had* someone who did that for you. Then they left. Now, you just have someone who sort of knows how to make little changes but has no real idea of how things work. Most software like this is just one big kludge. Of course, that's the Wrong (TM) way to do it, but it's also the way that they are doing it.

      So long as the switching costs are (perceived) higher than the current Microsoft tax, they will keep paying Microsoft.

    18. Re:Extremely interesting... by gadget+junkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " If Office were on Linux I could port all my end users to Linux without issue."

      That's why Microsoft MUST make every program as monolithic as it can, in spite of all techical evidence that an opposite way would be simpler and cost effective.
      ...The trouble is programming costs are just too small in relation to revenue; this means that cutting programming costs by 5 % wouldn't be appreciated, whilst programming with a view to tie customers to the cash cow (office) is far more effective. It also sells better in Wall Street, where the honchos' stock must go up to make them rich.

      I recall, but you guys can help me there, that at the time of the first monopoly suit there was talk about splitting MS into "operating systems" and "applications", with everything in the operating system adequately documented. where would be open office now?

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    19. Re:Extremely interesting... by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Don't be so naive. If Office is ever ported, it will be ported with IE, ActiveX, VBScript and all other goodness."

      And it will only run as root.

      Maybe even only in single user mode.

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  5. Unpossible by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I almost feel sorry for Microsoft reading this article. He's right, and what's more I'd be surprised if many people at Microsoft didn't know it.

    But they can't; how precisely can Microsoft remain a profitable publicly traded company while embracing open source? Their software is all they have.

    IBM was in a fortunate position of being a major hardware vendor and therefore capable of switching revenue stream focus.

    But Microsoft?

    Can anyone else imagine Microsoft five years from now being known more and more as that company that makes really nice mice and peripherals?

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    1. Re:Unpossible by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But they can't; how precisely can Microsoft remain a profitable publicly traded company while embracing open source? Their software is all they have.
      The article suggests that Microsoft should embrace Linux, which has nothing to do with open source. Microsoft could, for instance, create a non-free, closed-source Linux version of Office to take advantage of that slice of the market. The main challenge for Microsoft would be the change in their business model; which is the fact that they can exploit the customers' dependance on Office and Windows to interoperate with other users. To communicate with others in the corporate world, you pretty much need MS. Office. And once you have learned to use that product at work, people naturally use it to work at home as well. And to run MS Office, you'll need Windows: that is what their business depends on.
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    2. Re:Unpossible by Begemot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can anyone else imagine Microsoft five years from now being known more and more as that company that makes really nice mice and peripherals?

      Wishful thinking.

      What about this, this, this, this ... oh well ... this?

    3. Re:Unpossible by e6003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's well known that 90% or more of MS' profit comes from Windows and Office. The other divisions you cite either lose money or just about break even/make a small profit (check MS' annual reports for full details). That profit isn't enough to keep the MS shareholders happy - yet a lot of MS' corporate debt is "hidden" in share options and they need to keep the share price high. A few months ago, MS had a higher market capitalisation (i.e. shares outstanding times share price) than IBM but which would you rather have your pension fund invested in?

  6. 1st Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft advised to learn to love Linux

    Martin LaMonica
    CNET News.com
    October 18, 2004, 09:40 BST

    A US management guru has advised Microsoft to acquire Research in Motion and pay closer attention to open-source projects on mobile devices, or face oblivion. Management guru Clayton Christensen has a paradoxical answer for Microsoft to the challenge posed by open source: invest in Linux applications for handheld devices. Christensen, an associate professor at Harvard Business School, is the author of the 1997 "Innovator's Dilemma," a book that describes how good companies often fail because business managers don't embrace "disruptive" technologies. Open source is a clear disruption to Microsoft and the software industry in general, Christensen told attendees at the Future Forward technology conference here on Thursday.

    "Where Linux takes root is in new applications, like Web servers and handheld devices. As those get better, applications will get sucked off the desktop onto the Internet, and that's what will undo Microsoft," he said. The software company can respond to this market disruption by setting up a separate business that will "kill Microsoft," Christensen said. If it doesn't react to the rise of Linux desktops on handheld computers, it will miss a coming wave of new applications and market opportunities, he said. Microsoft has already conceded that open-source software poses a significant challenge to its business. The company could not be immediately reached for comment on Christensen's remarks.

    Christensen has observed that companies regularly stumble when they follow the well-established management practices of planning and listening to customers. To succeed, companies should not only cater to customers and continue improving their existing products, he argues. They should also set up separate business units to capitalise on new technologies, even though these may be poor-quality, low-margin products. Digital Equipment, for example, grew rapidly in the late 1980s by selling mini computers, which were a simpler, lower-cost option to mainframes, he said. But when other PCs began to take hold, the company didn't pursue that market for economic reasons: PCs offered substantially lower profit margins and didn't meet the technical needs of existing mini-computer customers.

    In Microsoft's case, Linux applications on handheld devices are a threat to its lucrative business of selling desktop PC applications for its Windows operating system. "As computing becomes Internet-centric, rather than LAN (local-area network)-centric, their stuff runs on Linux, because it's all new," he said. He noted that people increasingly leave their laptop PCs at home when they travel and instead rely on handheld devices, such as Research In Motion's BlackBerry. Linux also provides a cheap, commoditylike alternative to Windows -- the basis of Microsoft's business. Although Linux didn't use to be as functional as Windows or Unix, adoption of the operating system grew rapidly because it met the needs of simple applications and is relatively cheap. A similar dynamic is now occurring in the database market with open-source products such as MySQL, Christensen said.

    Christensen said that Microsoft should move progressively into Linux applications over the next six or seven years, because that sector will offer better opportunities for growth than operating systems or databases. He suggested that Microsoft acquire Research In Motion to accelerate the move, rather than continue to invest in making Windows run better on handheld devices. "As the BlackBerry becomes more capable, applications will get sucked onto it. Those are kind of places where growth is," he said. "If Microsoft catches it, they'll be all right."

    1. Re:1st Article by Flaming+Foobar · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "applications will get sucked off the desktop onto the Internet, and that's what will undo Microsoft,"

      The desktop is going nowhere anytime soon. Internet won't be reliable enough to replace it in the foreseeable future, and I can't imagine using an Office package on a handheld anytime soon, either.

      A lot of Micro$oft's core business is such that it won't translate easily or at all to the web nor a handheld, most notably desktop OS's (duh) and office software. And I think we'll see them going more towards handhelds in terms of games and OS's too, but I don't think that's what Christensen was after.

      To me, this seems a bit like saying that Hollywood should start making more Spanish films, because films made in Spain are getting more and more popular.

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  7. What this love will consist of by DrXym · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Half-baked port of .NET to Linux w/ large licence costs. Half-baked port of various network management protocols such as WBEM, to allow Linux to be a node in network managed by XP. Re-animated mouldy, half-baked IE for Unix. New 'Services for Linux', half-baked Linux layer for NT. Ad Nauseum.

    All of the above will receive scant support and will be axed after one release. A MS spokesman will cite 'no interest' for the reason even though the half-baked, shitty software and uncertain future has more to do with it.

    1. Re:What this love will consist of by korielgraculus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Half-baked port of .NET to Linux w/ large licence costs.
      That would be Mono then.
      to allow Linux to be a node in network managed by XP.
      And that one would be Samba!
      New 'Services for Linux', half-baked Linux layer for NT.
      Or how about Services for UNIX? Already up to version 3.5. Apart from that a very reasoned out comment.

    2. Re:What this love will consist of by DrXym · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Services for Unix is a BSD port. I'm speaking specifically of something which claims to run Linux software under XP. i.e. it works much like the Linux compatibility layer (lxrun) on SCO / Solaris.


      Such a thing is hardly insurmountable to do either, but I suspect if it ever did appear it would be buggered up beyond recognition (e.g. not supporting the LSB properly). I base my experiences on the SFU which is traumatic to install and lacklustre to run in equal measure. Cygwin beats the living crap out of it.


      Of course if Microsoft had a clue about doing this properly, they'd try to make User Mode Linux working on top of XP. Done properly it would be less traumatic to install, would be self contained, would be as-near-as-dammit a true Linux environment and might earn them a few brownie points in the process.

  8. Interesting article, but by nmoog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But it seems wierd that the guest speaker at an event hosted by Research In Motion would advise Microsoft to purchase Research in Motion.

    That seems a little, um, strange.

  9. Two bits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) MS Linux exists, and has existed, for a while. It'll appear whenever there's a business need for it.

    2) What's stopping MS from having a non-GPL applications layer which enables them to deply Office and whatever they'd want on THEIR linux. Assume they'd charge a little under the standard distro's, or even include it in the cost of Office for Linux.

    The only hassle will be hiding the DRM for said Office where it can't be seen/modified - so it can't go in the kernel, etc. Could a binary loadable MS Driver do this for them?

    1. Re:Two bits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      MS Linux already exists http://www.mslinux.org/
      Been out for almost a year!!!

    2. Re:Two bits by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not how they'd do it. They'd buy out somebody else already in the game -- that's how MS enters new markets.

    3. Re:Two bits by richie2000 · · Score: 2

      Maybe he's talking about this MS Linux effort? :-)

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    4. Re:Two bits by jlar · · Score: 2, Informative

      And if you read the top stories they are:

      - Microsoft Invades Cuba

      - Microsoft Monkey Colony on Mars

      If it has slipped past anyone MS Linux is a parody;-)

    5. Re:Two bits by afd8856 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What kind of a f* moron finds this interesting? Who believes that bogus page on MSLinux as proof that Microsoft has a Linux distribution? Who, in their right mind, thinks that DRM needs a kernel driver to function? DRM in a specific application... Hey guys! PDFs also embed DRM information... shouldn't we have by now some PDF-loading kernel module?

      Idiot...

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    6. Re:Two bits by Alomex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MS Linux exists, and has existed, for a while. It'll appear whenever there's a business need for it.

      You really need to read Clayton Christensen's book. In it he describes how the old technology company keeps on asking its customers "do you need this new technology (e.g. Linux)" and the customers keep on saying no, we don't, because the new technology is so disruptive that it comes with its own set of customers.

      For example while M$ is busy asking corporate IT if they want Linux and OpenOffice instead of WinXP and MS Office, and they keep on hearing that no, they don't.

      Meanwhile average joe blow keeps on buying RIM blacberry's at a rate of a million per quarter, and suddenly you have a widely deployed platform. And yes, it turns out joe blow does want Linux and OpenOffice in his blackberry.

      So the "business need" never arose. M$ customers never asked for it. It was the non-customers who took over.

    7. Re:Two bits by BigGerman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why exactly would they need "a non-GPL applications layer"?
      GPL in Linux only applies to the modifications to OS itself. Tons of companies release commercial soft for Linux: Oracle, BEA, ... Nothing prevents MS from releasing Office for Linux if and when they decide it is good thing to do market-wise.
      And it would not be hard technically because the y produce native ports of their soft to OS X every day.

    8. Re:Two bits by Maul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it plausible that some Microsoft people have been experimenting with Linux to the point of even looking into making their own distro in the future? Sure.

      Is it likely that they have a distribution that is release worthy just sitting on the shelf? I highly doubt it.

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  10. Obvious, thanks a lot by MadMirko · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's an obvious business tactic to mimic a competitor if he is successful. Microsoft has done that before, and still does: Look at their Monad shell, which is designed by a team with an extensive Unix background. Microsoft is slowly testing the open source waters (f. ex. FlexWiki).

    It's not like another poster said that they fear it would undercut their Windows business. Why would there be an Office for Mac?

    So in conclusion, thanks for telling me the world isn't flat, Mr. Christensen

    1. Re:Obvious, thanks a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MS needs a competitor they can point to and say "see, we're not a monopoly". Apple has done this "service" for years, and I see them continuing to do so as long as MS has any fear from monopoly proceedings (and as long as MS Office pays its way and then some).

  11. bend over Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...microsoft is about to show you some hard lovin'

  12. Early days yet by delta_avi_delta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I think this is encouraging, I feel that it's a little alarmist: Microsoft still have an incredible monopoly. Of you non-techie friends (if you have any unconverted) how many *don't* run Windows? How many are terrified by the prospect of having to learn something other than Windows? How many think that Windows, OfficeXP, IE, and Outlook are the only applications they need, apart from games, which lets face it, are mostly written for Windows.

    I think Microsoft would have to play a lot of consecutive bad hands before they'll cede their desktop stranglehold.

    1. Re:Early days yet by Alomex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I think this is encouraging, I feel that it's a little alarmist: Microsoft still have an incredible monopoly. Of you non-techie friends (if you have any unconverted) how many *don't* run Windows?

      Disruptive technologies creep on you very fast. One day they are laggards offering much inferior products and competing against well established monopolies, and then a few years later the old monopoly is gone and the new technology has taken over.

      All your comments above applied equally to IBM. They had an incredible monopoly and you would have been hard pressed to find a non-IBM shop in the mid-80s. Yet here we are, twenty years later with Micrsoft being the dominant monopoly.

  13. Lessons from history by e6003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    History is full of companies who fell out of the limelight because they couldn't or wouldn't adapt to new technology. One is happening right now as Kodak struggles to remain relevant in the world of digital photography (and it seems to me, they are trying to earn money from "traditional" photographic services such as printing, applied to digital photography - I'm not sure this will be successful). Where are all the typewriter manufacturers in a world of word processing? Despite the FUD and lock-in tactics (tactics that are becoming less and less successful with each iteration IMO), the same fate awaits Microsoft it they refuse to adapt. In contrast, look at IBM - in hibernation throughout much of the 1990s but emerging ready to do business with open source - and that's just one example of how they've adapted over the course of their history. Gates and Ballmer would do well to study this.

  14. Re:Microsoft Linux by hfis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's just it though - it's a "cant beat them join them" scenario. I doubt Microsoft feels that threatened by Linux's current market share in relation to their own - sure, it's a threat, but nowhere near as that of, say, MacOS.

  15. The Blackberry is not a Linux device by njdj · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The article seems confused. Microsoft is advised to develop Linux apps and "in particular" go for the Blackberry.

    But Research In Motion's Blackberry is not any kind of free-software platform. It runs yet another proprietary operating system, requiring (at the moment) proprietary development tools. It has nothing to offer over Windows CE (except possibly quality of implementation).

    1. Re:The Blackberry is not a Linux device by Alomex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For writing letters, you really want to have a decent keyboard, and for spreadsheets, something that is larger than a 5" screen is probably a very good idea as well.

      Now you are making the same mistake as DEC and other such companies described by Clayton in his book: "how could the PC ever replace mainframes? it doesn't have enough memory, it has no access to tapes where all the data resides" etc.

      The mistake you are making is that you are comparing today's incarnation of an ascending technology (blackberry) with a highly mature platform (PC). By the time the blackberry has gone through a few iterations it will come with holographic keyboard and retina-projection screen.

  16. Look at Novell? by e6003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Netware (hammered throughout the 90s by Wintel servers) and Unixware (offloaded to Santa Cruz Operation after only about 3 years) was "all" that Novell had. They are going through a painful, but necessary and promising, transition into a software services company. I think the more accurate summation of MS' problem is that they've angered far too many people for far too long, and even if they take the Damascus road tomorrow they may find a severe lack of partners and customers would kill them instead.

    1. Re:Look at Novell? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at Mono?
      I figure that the whole point of standardizing .Net and getting Mono out there is to port Office to C# and, suddenly, when the big rock goes through Windows, you see a platform-agnostic Office release. Yes, you can run it on OSX, 'Doze, or Linux, no, you don't get no source code. Maybe sans Access.
      In other words, I think Mr. Softy has had the baleful eye on the wall for some time now, and steps are well underway to protect the soft, white underbelly.

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  17. Will RIM employees still get to by xRelisH · · Score: 4, Funny

    keep their RIM jobs?

  18. Re: Not Adapting? by Hassman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But aren't they adapting? Here are some of their major complaints:

    1) Criticized of security problems
    -- Put a team of developers on making XP more secure. Release SP2 with focus on security. It isn't perfect, and there are still flaws, but they are listening to the critics and working on the public's number 1 concern. I believe we'll see Longhorn as a very secure. Does that mean it will be full-proof? No, that would be impossible, but I do think that it will be much, much better. After all, Linux has security problems. Mozilla has security problems. They just don't get as much attention and are fixed slightly quicker.

    Look for this as the number 1 improvement in the coming months / years.

    2) Product Quality
    -- In the past MS has sacrificed security and to some extent quality for ease of use. I think they will still but ease of use as a top priority, but look to see the quality level increase. They have already delayed Longhorn and cut feature in order to really nail down the important ones.

    It is very hypocritical to read here how people blast MS for their quality problems and then blast them again for delaying a future product in order to enhance the quality. I just don't get that.

    3) This article talks about apps being sucked away
    -- I fail to see this. It will happen to some extent. That is inevitable. MS can't do everything (nor do I or anyone else want them to). So they have to pick and choose.

    So let's take a look at a few things they have done:
    - MSN - recognized the AOL threat and jumped in to compete
    - online music - recognized a growth opportunity so they are now competing with iTunes
    - XBox - jumping into the home gaming / entertainment center market

    Again, note the hypocrisy. Blast MS for being a monopoly. Blast them for not adapting to the business market...effectively losing market share. So what do you want? A monopoly or a competitor?

    To me MS screams adaptation. Maybe I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just a little dense. Or maybe people just love to hate MS...no matter what.

    Before I get modded down let me also say that I'm not advocating MS. There are many, many superior products on the market than theirs and I urge everyone to use the better products. After all, why not use the best? I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy.

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  19. Why by suezz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why waste the breath on microsoft - Billy and Steven are going to do what they want to do rather people like it or not - I personally think microsoft is going way of cable companies except they are going to take it further by providing end devices in the house that either connect to fiber/cable/or dsl. they have been working with a major telecom giant in getting fiber to premis - bet ya you can only have microsoft products to use it. this is where they are going next and they will put in writing with the companies they contract with that they don't work with linux. so I think we should all save our breath and quit trying to tell Billy and Steven what to do.

  20. I disagree by HBI · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft embracing Linux would immediately convince many people, particularly in the small business market, that they can dump Windows. It would imperil other sectors of their business that currently are solid. Also, many environments are 'anything but Microsoft' as much as they can be. RH and Novell would do fine in that kind of world.

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  21. Dvorak vs Christensen by jbeaupre · · Score: 4, Informative

    Take what Christensen says with a grain of salt. I used to admire Clayton Christensen, but over time found he was more business pop culture than substance. John Dvorak put it better than I could when he wrote a piece ome time back http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1628049,00.as p Christensen's 15 minutes is up. Back to business.

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  22. Re:Microsoft Linux by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Interesting
    OSX isn't that much of a threat because it loses on price.

    I'm not arguing about the TCO of a Mac, but when I've proposed the idea of "have you checked out a Mac", they always say that the price is too high. Although, many people I've met who own them consider that the extra cost outweighs all the Windows hassles.

  23. RTFB by mangu · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you read Christensen's fine book, you'll see that Microsoft is acting *exactly* as predicted. So did all the other companies mentioned in "The Innovator's Dilemma". And that's what makes it a dilemma. Why should a company abandon its business to start on another, apparently less lucrative line, which offers less utility to the company's clients?


    Well, Christensen argues, according to many examples in many fields, ranging from excavating equipment to department stores, the new businesses, despite being apparently inferior in some ways, will end in dominating the whole field. That happens because the new way of doing business will evolve faster than the old, established way. Why evolve, if it's the best and most lucrative way? And, when the old managers wake up, it's too late.

  24. Re:i hope not by spotteddog · · Score: 2

    If M$ bought RIM, they would move them out west anyway. They have a history of doing this, despite promises to the contrary (they purchased the company that made Fox Base, promised to keep them in Ohio and promptly closed the Ohio facility and moved its operations out west).

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  25. REALITY CHECK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is a reality check for you guys caught in the Slashdot distortion field:

    - Microsoft had 36.8 BILLION dollars in revenue last year (up from 32 BILLION the year before)
    - Microsoft had 8.6 BILLION dollars in NET PROFIT last year (I wish I could fail that much)
    - Microsoft has 70 BILLION dollars of cash
    - Microsoft has seen revenue and profit growth for every year of their existence

    Thank You. Now wake up.

    1. Re:REALITY CHECK by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Informative

      Office for Mac, yes. Xbox, no. XBox makes a big fat loss.

    2. Re:REALITY CHECK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You forgot:

      -Microsoft had 36.8-8.6=28.6 Billion Operating Expenses last year.

      Which means, if their revenue start falling, they will have to start cutting corners. Heck, they already have, what with the 1B that Ballmer said they plan on saving from cutting some employee perks. And if you liked MS products for their "quality" now, you'll positively LOVE them once they really start cutting corners. And so will the financial market, once they wake up.

      But yeah, the part of your point saying they won't sink overnight is true. But they could sink in the background pretty quickly (several years, if things turn bad).

      And I wonder what will happen with all the stock options they gave if their stock begins to flatten out. That is one way to burn through a big pile of cash.

    3. Re:REALITY CHECK by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And what's the current P/E ratio?

      So, they made 8.6bn profit on a share value of over 300Bn? Thats less than a 3% return on investment. People who invest look at 2 things - dividends and share growth.

      If Microsoft don't deliver on these things, shareholders will want their pound of flesh or will go where they think they can get a better return.

      It doesn't take much for that pile of cash to get eaten up with shareholders taking it.

      I'm not saying it's going to happen tomorrow, but things could be very different in say 10 years.

    4. Re:REALITY CHECK by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Informative
      The trouble is, these are public companies which are owned by shareholders, so people aren't just in the "debt free, making money and billions in the bank". What they want is growth and either rise in share price, or dividends.

      They can choose Apple or Microsoft or any number of companies, and what they are interested in is those who will give them the best return on their investments, often for a short period of time.

      I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the way it is.

      My point is that if you are a pension company and you end up with a huge amount of Microsoft, and the return is poor, either you will sell (lowering the stock value) or put pressure to empty the coffers.

    5. Re:REALITY CHECK by killjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why stoks price falls, the number of sellers exceed the number of buyers. The price keeps dropping until it becomes attractive to people. The problem is that once the investors give up on the company the stock price stagnates and MS needs to keep the stock price growing. Read about it, it's kind of a pyramid scheme they have got going. If it falles it will probably burst like a bubble.

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  26. Many would use MS Office in Linux. by Devi0s · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS Office is the only tool that can correctly render *ALL* Microsoft Word .doc documents. Anyone who collaborates with clients by passing Microsoft Word .doc files around needs to use Office, with the exception of those who do not use custom templates or other Word features.

    In a recent thread about OpenOffice, (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/13/13392 21&tid=185) I tried to summarize some of the major points that were repeatedly mentioned, and a major point was:

    OpenOffice's storage format is not .doc. Just like MS Word saves documents by defualt in it's (proprietary, closed-source) native format, .doc, to leverage all of Word's features (instead of .rtf or .xml or .sxw), OpenOffice needs to store documents in it's native (non-proprietary, open-source) format, .sxw, to leverage all of it's features.

    However, OpenOffice is a great tool to give to developers, IT staff, and anyone else that does not have to collaborate with clients, executives, and managers by passing around Word .doc files. A simple PDF of their sxw document will do and it's a hell of a lot cheaper (free).

    The lack of full .doc support in OpenOffice is one of about three remaining things that keeps me from moving to Linux in the workplace.

    2) Assonine developers that insist on perpetuating Microsoft's browser monopoly and closed standards that use Internet Explorer only technologies to deliver their content. (ActiveX tops my list here). Unfortunately, to do my business, I am unable to boycott all of these sites.

    3) The MS Exchange connector tools for Linux email clients are not yet capable of dealing with some of the features of Exchange / BackOffice that are leveraged by my employer.

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    1. Re:Many would use MS Office in Linux. by tclark · · Score: 2, Informative

      As an IT manager, I've done a few things to try to whittle away at MS Office.

      1. Whenever a vendor sends me an MS-format file, I always send it back and ask for a portable format. Sure, I could open it with OOo, but these guys are trying to get me to give them money. They can work for it. And I do enjoy the confused reactions from salespeople who don't know that non-MS systems even exist.

      2. All desktops at my organization have OOo installed, even if MS Office is too. I can send out documents and know that everybody can work with them. Most people don't even notice that they are not in MS formats.

      3. As far as IE-only websites go, I can't believe you even put up that straw man. First of all, you don't boycott IE-only sites. What good would that do? When you bump up against an IE-only site, call somebody and complain. Tell a sales guy that you can't place an order because the his company's website is broken. It gets results.

      And by the way, if you're a geek and you want to help the free software cause, think about working your way into management. Sure it's a drag at times, but you can really make things happen. For example, nobody in my organization uses IE any more - it's policy;)

  27. Stop helping the beast. by vettemph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please don't give microsoft any survival tips.
    signed,
    A guy who does not miss macro viruses. (or any viruses for that matter.)

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  28. Microsoft should keep hating linux! by Stevyn · · Score: 2

    As for as operating systems that can run on 90% percent of the world's desktops go, Microsoft's only competition is linux. It's in their best interests financially to keep surpressing linux, cutting deals for people who consider switching, and spread FUD so people are afraid to switch. They want people to think of Microsoft when it comes to software, not choice.

  29. Re:i hope not by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

    But can't you just see Steve Ballmer thumping his shoe on the table and proclaiming "We will Berry you!"

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  30. How to kill Linux MS Style. by slashzero · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Microsoft really wanted to get rid of Linux they should do exactly what they did to Java. Create a horrible version of Linux. Release it as an easy to use Microsoft branded version of Linux but purposely cripple it. People that don't know any better will try to use it. They'll notice that it's doesn't work as good as Windows (Due to the crippling by MS) Microsoft will then say that it's not their fault, it's innate to Linux then everyone will run back to Windows and believe that Linux is innately broken just like Java.

    1. Re:How to kill Linux MS Style. by Chaotic+Evil+Cleric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's GPLed, we'd just fix it. Java's closed and therefore unfixable by us. If MS made a linux distro, we'd just take the MS GUI and drop in our stock kernel, etc. and end up with something even grandma could love.

      Microsoft can't "Microsoft" something that they don't completely control.

    2. Re:How to kill Linux MS Style. by hyphz · · Score: 4, Informative

      > If it's GPLed, we'd just fix it.

      Sure. The problem, however, is that once you've fixed it, you have to shout louder than Microsoft to let people know that you've fixed it. Shout louder than Microsoft? Good luck.

      And, sadly, doing this would not violate the GPL at all as long as the broken Linux was given away. As far as I'm aware the GPL doesn't specify any minimum quality requirement for permitted distribution. The type of attack described is, actually, a very real possibility and something which should be guarded against.

    3. Re:How to kill Linux MS Style. by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And, sadly, doing this would not violate the GPL at all as long as the broken Linux was given away.

      Nitpick: You are permitted to sell GPL code for as much money as people are willing to pay. You just can't stop them from doing the same.

  31. Re: Not Adapting? by e6003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, not adapting as in sticking to the model of proprietary software that may have served them well for 15 years, but is now becoming unmanageable. You cite the security issues and the steps they are taking to address them - I think this is a symptom of a much bigger problem, namely that Windows is now too big a project to manage in house. CPU power doubles every 18-24 months (a la Moore's Law) and that means your software has to increase in complexity to take full advantage of it - distributing this workload is one of the chief advantages of the open source model. IMO the delays to and feature losses from Longhorn are a symptom of the same problem.

  32. MS interest in RIM seems natural enough.... by museumpeace · · Score: 3, Funny

    Their products do have something in common

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  33. Anti-trust? Too popular. by redelm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Sure, MSFT could buy RIM. A Bush FTC might even let them, even though they are an adjudged monopolist and they are looking to extend their monopoly by eliminating/controlling a competitor.

    But portible devices are just too popular, and someone else will step up. There may be some patents to get around, but MSFT might face an anti-trust suit if it tried to enforce them.

  34. Re:Maybe at a lower price? by A_carton_short_of_a_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe you shouldn't be such a tight ass and spend some money on software. The people who like to get there software for "free" and only for "free" are the people who will kill the open source software movement. As much as it is about lower cost software somewhere along the line somebody has to pay for the development cost of the software so programmers don't starve to quickly (well at least for now here is a good example of why http://www.golden-orb.com/).

    How may /.'s have made financial contributions to open source projects (sure alot of you would have purchased a Linux distro, I have) or better still how many companies have you worked for that have made some financial contributions to the developers of the open source software they use?

    As for the MS Office issue I would love to see an application like that for Linux, unfortunately OpenOffice is still go a way to go yet! Anyway I don't think Microsoft can separate it from the OS enough to do it :).

  35. Re: Not Adapting? by caffeineHacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But aren't they adapting? Here are some of their major complaints: 1) Criticized of security problems -- Put a team of developers on making XP more secure. Release SP2 with focus on security. It isn't perfect, and there are still flaws, but they are listening to the critics and working on the public's number 1 concern. I believe we'll see Longhorn as a very secure. Does that mean it will be full-proof? No, that would be impossible, but I do think that it will be much, much better. After all, Linux has security problems. Mozilla has security problems. They just don't get as much attention and are fixed slightly quicker.

    Yes but as far as I can tell home installs still default to administrator, so regardless of how many patches they apply to their software, they still have to user running in the MS equivalent of root. They probably won't fix this in the near future since all normal install processes are based on having Administrator access. And until they fix that they will never have a secure home distribution.

    Look for this as the number 1 improvement in the coming months / years. 2) Product Quality -- In the past MS has sacrificed security and to some extent quality for ease of use. I think they will still but ease of use as a top priority, but look to see the quality level increase. They have already delayed Longhorn and cut feature in order to really nail down the important ones.

    Apple seems to have balanced out ease of use with quality and security with out having to choose only one. Yet somehow MS can never do this, despite the fact that they have over 10 times the budget. They haven't got it right yet and probably won't for some time, I can't imagine Longhorn being some kind of silver bullet that puts it's security up there with BSD/OSX.

    It is very hypocritical to read here how people blast MS for their quality problems and then blast them again for delaying a future product in order to enhance the quality. I just don't get that.

    Not hypocritical at all. They spend billions of dollars more than other software companies on there products yet take years to make any improvements, and when those come out the quality is crap, even though it took them foo years to make it. To me the two go hand in hand. If they are going to take forever making there product then the quality ought to be pretty decent when it comes out.

    So let's take a look at a few things they have done: - MSN - recognized the AOL threat and jumped in to compete - online music - recognized a growth opportunity so they are now competing with iTunes - XBox - jumping into the home gaming / entertainment center market Again, note the hypocrisy. Blast MS for being a monopoly. Blast them for not adapting to the business market...effectively losing market share. So what do you want? A monopoly or a competitor? To me MS screams adaptation. Maybe I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just a little dense. Or maybe people just love to hate MS...no matter what.

    Actually they are a monopoly for OSes and Office software only. On all other fronts they suck. I don't see how those three things show them as adapting. How many people use MSN as there ISP? I don't think very many. iTunes is used MUCH more fequently then whatever MS has made...I've actually not heard of it yet. And the XBox is one of their biggest failures. They had lower sales than the PSOne in Japan last christmas which wouldn't be a big deal except that alot of the games people are interested come from Japan, so maybe they can keep it afloat with sports and shooting games in the U.S., but I'cant imagine them making much from it. Other notable endeavors include: portable devices, tablet devices, multimedia centers, and I'm sure there are many more.

    MS tries to keep a monopoly on OSes and Office Suites because it's all they can do. They've repeatedly demonstrated that can't do anything else. But I do agree that software won't be siphoned away like it talks about in the article, since people will make there software MS compatible until MS isn't the leading OS.

  36. That Gandhi quote by Riktov · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, um, when do they love you?

  37. A Windows desktop and apps for Linux by FridayBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. If people are so willing to shell out all that extra money for Apple's GUI on top of an open source operating system (Darwin), why wouldn't they be willing to pay something extra for a system that runs a Windows desktop and applications on top of Linux? They'd have the speed, reliability and security of Linux, together with that good ol' Windows look and feel that we all know and love (cough).

    Seriously, though: if Apple can do it, there's no reason Microsoft can't. If they wait too long, there is indeed a danger that the open source community will, slowly but surely, end up pulling a Netscape on them (oh, the irony). However, if they act soon enough, I can even imagine them retaining a bit of their current monopoly (apps that don't work without the MS desktop).

  38. Actually, the advice isn't strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you take it in the context of his books, it is clear that he can offer that advice knowing that there are three very real possibilities. First, MS might very likely ignore it. Second, they might buy RIM and gut it, which is not what he's advising. Third, they could buy it and do what he suggested.

    His advice won't be the deciding factor in Microsoft's strategy. So RIM has no reason to believe that his advice is going to sway MS. What he is really saying to RIM is that RIM's strategy is going to win out. If MS wants to ride that wave, they have to buy into it. It's too late for them to compete with it.

  39. What if.... by David+Horn · · Score: 3, Informative

    What if Microsoft decided to put some support behind Linux? Suppose they take the current source, fix the issues, get decent drivers and make it look pretty. They then slap their logo on it and release it. (Either by download or sticking it on a CD and charging for it.)

    OK, they've lost money on it. But if they suddenly switch half the Linux community to Microsoft Linux (never thought I'd say those two words together!) they then control that market too.

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  40. Not a guru by DogDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This guy's just an academic. As a business owner & manager, I tend to listen to people that have a proven track record, as opposed to academics who haven't spent much time with real life business.

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  41. in a nutshell by cabazorro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To put it succintly.
    Linux is to Microsoft today
    what Microsoft was to IBM/OS in the 80's:

    A cheap low quality alternative.

    Seems fate is not without a sense of irony.

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  42. Different perspective by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed, at times people seem to think that Microsoft could just implode one day due to a bad business decision and almost immediately cease to exist.

    I think that Microsoft *as we know it* could implode one day doe to a bad business decision. Does this mean that they will still be making software? Don't know....

    People seem to forget that if Microsoft were to completely pull out of the Operating System, Office, games and internet markets (and just about everything else) and devote themselves to say... selling sol.exe (Solitaire for the non windows persons) for a dozen different platforms... even without a single sale, the pile of cash they are sitting on, in addition to their assets would be sufficient to keep them afloat for many many years.

    The business has decided to give away a large portion of its cash pile to its stockholders in the form of a buyback program and a huge dividend.

    That is not to say that Microsoft could not sustain their operations for a long time via debt financing...

    Now, the software suffers from an extreme economy of scale (variable costs are very low, fixed costs are very high), so if sales of Windows start to fall, it impact's Microsoft's budget really fast. THey are still forecasting something like 6% growth next year. But what happens if they end up losing market share to Linux? They can afford to cut prices *now* without endangering their operations, but if they lose market share this will not necessarily be the case.

    Microsoft is under attack from multiple angles from rapidly maturing and credible compeition: OpenOffice, Linux, etc. These programs threaten their conjoined twin cash cows of Windows and Office. And if they can get 30% of the market (assuming no market growth), they will render Windows and Office unprofitable at current prices and budgets. Even half that would cut their profit by 50%. Now if the market grows those numbers grow with it, of course. At that point, Microsoft can either increase prices (damage their competitivity) or cut costs (pay programmers less and spend less on marketing, thus damaging their competitivity).

    At this point, I do not see a long-term future for Windows in the face of Linux. And by the time Longhorn ships, we may be at a critical point.

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  43. Strategy by SamMichaels · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps they're realizing that they should listen to the old saying:

    Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

  44. Listen to your customers--no don't--no do by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Available candidates:

    Christensen tells you not to listen to your customers too much.

    Drucker says that above all you must listen to your customers.

    Peters says you must have a corporate culture in place and it's more important that you follow the values of the corporate culture than what those values happen to be.

    I'm afraid I don't remember the name of the current that stress how vital it is to deliberately piss off and drive away the customers that are costing you money (e.g. by asking for tech support)...

    Whatever you feel like doing with your customers, you can find a management "expert" to back you up.

  45. Microsoft hasn't evolved? by fervent_raptus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why should a company abandon its business to start on another, apparently less lucrative line, which offers less utility to the company's clients?

    I think Microsoft has done something smarter than what Christensen suggests in his book. Why should Microsoft "abandon" its once-and-still-successful business to start a new one when it has enough resources to keep the old one and start 100 more?

    Have you heard of:
    - XBOX
    - Tablet PC
    - Windows Media Center
    - Windows Mobile
    - Smartphone
    - Visual Studio
    - SQL Server
    - Microsoft Games Studios
    - Business Management Software
    - MSN, MSNBC, MSN Messenger


    Not to mention all the stuff Microsoft Research is cooking up with 5 billion in cash.

    Of course you can say: none of these businesses are successful, but that's exactly Christensen's point. None of them are at first, but if you don't get into new markets, your company will die.

    1. Re:Microsoft hasn't evolved? by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All of these are unsuccessful Microsoft businesses in areas where other companies are successful. That means that they aren't getting into new markets; they're getting into old markets they weren't in before. In order to be successful in a market you have to get into it from the beginning, change it into a new market, crush the competition, or buy a successful player.

      You need to get into markets where nobody's solved the problems. Microsoft got a GUI on commodity hardware, and an integrated office suite with popular individual programs, which is why Windows and Office are their moneymakers. Other than that, they've mostly been late in their markets, and haven't done well.

  46. Dvorak Out Of Touch by MooseByte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "John Dvorak put it better than I could when he wrote a piece ome time back"

    I disagree - that link sounds like more of Dvorak talking out his ass again. Example:

    "The closest Christensen comes to a real disruptive technology is digital photography. But it was invented in 1972 and has never been "cheaper" than film."

    In what universe? The Land That Time Forgot? My digital camera saved me more than the cost of the camera itself within 6 months of purchasing it! The cost of a 36-exposure roll of film + development really adds up fast.

    And that doesn't even factor in the cost advantage of being able to review a shot immediately to know if that rare family reunion pic actually turned out. Not only is digital definitively cheaper in raw dollars, it's far cheaper in terms of recovering from lost/failed photo ops.

    Frankly Dvorak has sounded like a tired worn-out gasbag of punditry for over a decade. Maybe two decades - I'll have to check my back-issues of Computer Edge. ;-)

    1. Re:Dvorak Out Of Touch by eclectro · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dvorak can be off the wall occasionally, but I would not go so far as to say he is a gasbag. Taking what he says with a grain of salt, I have never found him annoying either.

      It's worth putting up with the occasional rant as he can be prophetic.

      Back in the day there was a time when every single pc on this earth was beige, the internet was being written in cern, and there was no modding to speak of.

      He predicted that colored and decorated computers would become popular. Obvious now, but I didn't see how it could happen back then.

      There was another time when there was no legal music downloads. He predicted that there would be and it would become popular with a price point below $1.40 a song. I didn't see how that could happen with the RIAA Nazis around. Apple itunes came along, and against all odds has become a success.

      Dvorak is far more interesting and insightful than other printed rag pundits.

      So I wouldn't go so far as to call him him a gasbag because you may disagree with him.

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  47. Microsoft == Poor Quality by eyepeepackets · · Score: 2

    I for one don't welcome our (potential) new Microsoft overlords -- everything they touch turns into poor quality crap. That's why I started running Linux in the first place, I needed something that was reliable and just plain worked day after week after month after year.

    The IT guys where I work have figured it out: The only way to keep Microsoft products stable and secure is to run them as little as possible and to severely restrict what can be run and where they can go. Even then most of IT's time is spent trying to keep the Windows boxes working. Why? Because Microsoft makes and markets garbage, it's their business model: Just good enough to get the cash from the suckers who are fooled by a pretty GUI. Make the user sign a EULA agreeing that Microsoft isn't responsible for the poor quality of the product and ...profit!

    The only thing Microsoft should be doing in the future is pushing up the proverbial daisy. A fitting end considering that is what Windows machines do best: Sing Daisy.

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  48. Re: Not Adapting? by mdfst13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Open Source has its benefits, but I don't think it has proven itself in the main-streem market yet."

    Err...Apache remains the number one web server; most of the time when you are looking at a web page, it is served via Apache. Now, if you are limiting to the desktop market, then no, open source is unproven as a mainstream source of desktop software. Open source will continue to be mainstream in servers and workstations. Note how Microsoft is having to add open source auditability to their software to work with governments. They will also need to offer the ability to offer custom versions (another feature already part of open source) if they want to be a serious player in the embedded market.

    The chief advantage that proprietary software offers over open source is that it includes a mechanism for people to group together to trade money for software. However, as we shift from general purpose appliances built by third parties (i.e. PCs) to special purpose appliances built by the same people who are specializing the software (e.g. router, Tivo, PDA, web server, etc.), the advantages of this fade.

    It makes more sense for Tivo to share the same OS as Linksys or IBM. By submitting their changes back, they get free support from other companies. Further, they don't need bells and whistles (they will develop their own), just the basics. Amazon currently has a Tivo for $80 after rebate; they can't afford to pay a $50 Microsoft tax out of that. Linux saves them the $50 and is better suited to their needs (because they can trim out the parts they don't use, saving resources and increasing security).

  49. Re:Both your comment and the article are correct by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ah, but how long do they have? That's the unanswerable question.

    And it doesn't even matter what most people have on their computers. Most people will never install an operating system. Most people will never purchase an operating system. Most people will never purchase a Word Processor. So what matters to MS is what the computer comes with. So far MS is nearly unchallenged in this area, but that could change VERY quickly.

    Fortunately for those of us who prefer something else, we aren't the major enemy of MS. They are their own worst enemy, but next to that it's the threat of rebellious customers. And in this case it's not the end-user, but the company that forks over the cash to MS. HP, Dell, ... those guys.

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  50. Re:Kodak by BryanR1977 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently had a hardwood floor installed. The underlayment used was kodak photo paper. Turns out they have surplus, and rather than take a total loss they sell it as underlayment. I now have 700 sq/ft of Kodak paper sandwiched in my floor.

  51. Re: Not Adapting? by algae · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, how about BIND? Every time you type a domain name into, well, anything, it's about 99% likely that open-source software is doing the hostname lookup and translating that domain name into an IP address for you.

    Sendmail, Qmail, and Postfix are also pretty entrenched when it comes to Mail Transfer Agents (aka, software that actually routes your mail from you.com to them.com). When it comes to these bedrock network services, it's closed proprietary software that's the new kid on the block. OSS has been the standard for decades.

    Samba is another good example of enterprise-ready OSS. File servers running Samba tend to out-perform Windows file servers on the same hardware.

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