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Tiger Early Start Kit
EccentricAnomaly writes "If you can't wait until next spring for the official release of next version of Mac OS X, Apple is offering a Tiger Early Start Kit to those willing to pay $500 for an Apple Developer Select Membership. And if you don't want to spend the money, they've also added a developer overview page describing some of the guts of Mac OS X v10.4."
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like tits
Does Apple offer indemnification over its potential violation of software patents and/or copyrights?
Here's hoping the G5 powerbook comes out at the same time as Tiger. That is a mac fans wet dream.
Evolution or ID?
There's some nasty NDA business going on.
You can't even talk to other devs about Tiger if you have it.
Wow the guys over at Everquest will be jealous!
The advanced drawing capabilities of Quartz are exposed to the Web Kit environment through a set of modular extensions to HTML. This will let you draw beautiful user interfaces using JavaScript.
This has got to be the coolest new feature, considering how weak DHTML currently is. I could be wrong, but adding support for other APIs doesn't seem like it would be too hard. I'd love to finally be able to ditch Win32.
Of course if the product isn't DRM'ed then there may be a deluge of piracy. Blake said it best -- "Tiger tiger, burning bright..."
But there is no discount for student developers that I can find.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is a choice for evil.
Does this mean that Tiger will support other forms of mouse gestures?
English is easier said than done.
A 64bit OSX! Wow, not only will Apple have one of the most function and beautiful operating systems out there, they'll soon have an OS that rivals Solaris, AIX, HPUX, and other large scale OSes. Apple went from a pascal based operating system (OS9) to a fully functional, hyper powerful OS in less than 10 years.
that the Linux GUI toolkits just copy the Mac rather than Windows and stop the bickering and come up with a Unified desktop.
Apple has made Unix a dream desktop OS. I just hope that they support 64bit Java on this thing. I will buy it and switch from Linux (Fedora 64bit) if they come out with a 64bit powebook in a heartbeat.
Let me get this? $500 to be a developer on an OS that is even more marginal than Linux. I guess it's part of the whole Apple mystique to pay for everything.
I like the way Apple managed to charge for OS upgrades. Call it whatever you want, patches are still patches. The list of new features is not revolutionnary, by far (http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/)And it's not like they did it only once. Jaguar, Panther, and now Tiger...
Imagine if Microsoft was doing the same thing. Want better security with SP2? 129 bucks! Sure, they charged us for win95, win98, winME, winXP and soon Longhorn, but Apple pulled the same thing with os8, os9, osX...
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Or, you can just download it for free with bittorrent.
Now, instead of waiting for the full featured OS to arrive in a few months, I can pay almost 4 times the price of a full release, and make all the features I want on my own! I hope that the next corvette to come out of GM costs $200,000 and comes in a bunch of boxes ...
...is that you do not talk about developer releases. Hence, the NDA. It's not nasty, as another poster observed. All it requires of you is to have one nice cup of Shut The Fuck Up after another until the final release.
That said...
Select membership gets you access to pre-release software, one incident of support from developer tech services, one hardware discount, and issues of the operating systems when they're finally released at no additional charge.
The way I look at it, $500 gets you the OS release that's bound to take place during your year's membership, and you can easily save far more than the difference when you buy a Macintosh system through the developer discount program. Being able to get assistance directly from Apple when you have a coding issue is a boon. The rest is icing on the cake.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
You get an ADC membership. This entitles you to an Apple hardware discount, some programming technical support, access to pre-release software and some other niceties. Moreover, this particular deal comes with the WWDC 2004 videos DVD that has already been distributed amongst ADC members. You also get the Tiger beta that developers received at WWDC 2004 (though it's probably a more recent build). The WWDC tutorials are great resources and I'd be more attracted to this offer because of that. One can argue as to whether charging developers for assistance in making software for their platform is a good strategy or not for Apple. But this isn't merely a "$500 for the privilege of beta testing" rip-off.
Be sure to call it "oh ess ecks," not "oh ess ten." They hate that, and that's teh funnay.
Core Data sounds like so many other great 3rd party tools out there, except now part of the OS (so to speak). A standardized object-relational persistence mechanism and design studio - Awesome. But why only:
Why not an odbc/ado/adsi type of interface that will allow the use of any persistence mechanism? Using LDAP or any sql-92 compliant existing database would be useful. Hey apple, you listening?
Looks like they are working a lot of features in that are similar to QuickSilver (their web site seems to be down, hence the linking to instructions). I've only used it a bit, but it's great and I can see why Apple would want a lot of the functionality at the OS level.
aka Tubcat.
Especially helpful if you plan on buying a system. The discount for a dual 2 gig is $500 and the discount for dual 2.5 gig is $600. Forgetting all the other stuff you get, you make your money back right there.
You've got to charge for something like this. Otherwise non-developers will sign up just to play with the pre-release OS, and get the hardware discount. You have to price it at a level where professional developers are not put off, but non-developers aren't tempted. With non-developers being quite willing to pay $125 for a new OS version, it has to be significantly higher than that. I'd say somewhere in the $300-$1000 range is sensible. Why not $500, it's a nice round number?
I mean the one that would force me to upgrade, is if on their DVD application they had an option to leave the window always on top.
I like to watch AntiTrust (Shhh... Don't tell anybody) while I'm coding.
"It takes many nails to build a crib, but one screw to fill it."
"I hope that the next corvette to come out of GM costs $200,000 and comes in a bunch of boxes"
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Land Rover offers an option in some countries of "CKD" - "Complete Knock Down" that comes to you in boxes, you get to put it together. Unfortunately you can't get these in the US (tho they tease people with them at auto shows: http://www.rockcrawler.com/trailreports/SEMA2003/
Wow, that's a novel idea... getting people to pay you to do your beta testing for you!
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Sounds pretty good, the only thing more I would ask for are...
A Developer commentary track:
{booting OSX} "Ding! Welcome to the developers edition of OSX. I'm Joe Schmo, lead designer of Aqua, and with me I have Jim Bob of Core Graphics. We've got some great stories here for you! You'll see that it's starting up services, let me tell you about a time old Jim was writing one of those and the power went out after a fifteen hour coding session..."
And of course "Deleted comments - too hot for public release!"
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
aka Tubgirl
Doesn't anybody read the so-called "story"? Oh, wait. This is Slashdot.
I'm already a member, I've been able to download it for months. And they gave me the disks, at the conference, because I was there. (Everybody else gets them a few weeks later.)
Nothing to see here, move along...
Any app that really needs something like LDAP or JDBC or what have you can still use those.
To me, the idea of provided a core OS service that essentially acts as a really nice standard embedded DB you can use quickly, is awesome. I'll continue to write apps using more standard databases, but there are smaller apps I have in mind that can really make use of this feature. I was already looking over small DB's and debating about the best way to move forward with an embedded DB in an app.
Fundamentially the configuration and administration needs of an embedded DB vs. an external DB are different, and I don't mind treating them differently.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
As others have noted, developer tools come with every Mac - that costs nothing, this is early release dev program kind of stuff.
However, I would question that bit about lower margin than Linux. There may be more Linux boxes around, but if you count the users willing to pay for things which base do you think is larger?
And I think in some ways you might even be better off than you would be developing with Windows, because while there are a LOT of Windows users, there are also a LOT of programs competing in whatever space you want to cover. With the Mac there are still a lot of opportunities for programs to come in and grab a big chunck of market share pretty quickly.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Good lord, is GCC all most there?
The main reason for me to switch (probably with new hardware) is to have native h263 support. All those tv programs, movies, dvd's, dv's that I can pipe down massively in size.
My own hackable and very efficient Tivo.
Yummmm.....
That's great and all, but when oh when will their laptops come standard with a two button mouse! and don't tell me thereis no need--you CAN right click in os x.
Let's get a couple things straight. QuickSilver is a rip-off of LaunchBar. Spotlight is much more than just live search results. It's a full metadata searching system that any developer can utilize and add data to. It's much more than you think.
I wonder if Spotlight calculates (or could be made to calculate) an MD5 for the file. This would be useful for backup. If the backup program looks up a file's MD5 in its catalog and finds it already there, no need to back up again. This would survive arbitrary renaming or moving (the metadata would still need to be backed up for each file), and would make for major efficiencies when backing up multiple machines on a network (only one copy of Hei.dfont, Osaka.dfont, xxx.App, etc. in the backup set).
Protoplasm. Quiet Protoplasm. I like quiet protoplasm.
Any idea of how much of a discount on ther hardware? I couldnt find any information about that on their site.
The way I look at it, $500 gets you the OS release that's bound to take place during your year's membership, and you can easily save far more than the difference when you buy a Macintosh system through the developer discount program. Being able to get assistance directly from Apple when you have a coding issue is a boon. The rest is icing on the cake.
Who's got one?
This will be available via BitTorrent for anyone who doesn't care about their data and the ADC membership or doesn't have the money. In fact... Tiger has been available for sometime(earlier release?). Not trying to Troll, its just a fact.
.. I presume the air will get thin for MS in the long run. Look at those features. It's like "Gee, that would be really cool to have" and three years later OS X has it, 5 years ahead of all the rest. I find the Automator one of those supercool things. Those things that will eventually put me out of business when everybody can automate his tasks with a few mouseklicks. But it's cool nonetheless.
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That in the RSS feeds demonstration for Safari, the site they use is Slashdot?
Just thought that was interesting..
Oh yay, I really want to pay $500 to beta test it... This is really for developers to get a subscription based service so that they are updated with OSs and developer access to forums.
The latest DVD Player.app does this. Go into preferences and click on the Full Screen widget then look for the "Remain in full screen when DVD Player is inactive".
Now only if they would add this feature to iChat for video conferencing. :-)
All editorial writers ever do is come down from the hill after the battle is over and shoot the wounded.
Haven't they nearly run out of cats yet?
The latest Slashdot meme.
Just ensuring you see this as it sounds like you would appreciate this. :-)
The DVD Player will stay in full screen even when it's inactive.
All editorial writers ever do is come down from the hill after the battle is over and shoot the wounded.
Seriously, AIX stands for "Ain't Unix."
/usr/lib. Put shared libs in /usr/foo/lib and there is no way to make AIX search that lib path! And yes, we have support from IBM. Their solution was to symlink our libs to /usr/lib. Yuck.
All the "high end virtualisation, monitoring and enterprise volume management" that AIX includes does not make up for basic, fundamental problems with things like shared library handling. Everything is fscking hard coded to
Also, the fact that IBM doesn't update their Open Source repository is inexcusable. Try compiling apache on AIX sometime. It isn't fun. Actually try compiling any open source software on AIX.
Now, if you are an IBM drone, you will say, "you should buy their integrated Websphere." But, the problem with this is vendor lock-in. AIX is worse than fscking Windows for vendor lock-in.
Some of IBM's consultants are really bright, unfortunately you need that. Extensive experience with Linux/*BSD/Solaris/Irix is NOT enough to adequately anticipate/fix problems that crop up with AIX.
At a small shop, AIX is just a pain in the ass. At a big shop with ~1,200 AIX servers supporting >35,000 desktops in a whole bunch of locations (don't ask) it's a nightmare.
Ironically, there is nothing that we do with AIX that we couldn't do better/cheaper with Linux. Hell, we could probably get better support for it too. I suggest that the era of Big Iron in the enterprise is over. Cluster cheap linux blades.
I'm sick of the Slashdot IBM fanboy syndrome. There are plenty of companies to be excited about (like Apple!). There are plenty of operating systems to evangelize (like Linux or *BSD!). AIX/IBM are not the horse to bet on. They suck worse than almost any other vendor.
Oh yeah, Lotus/Domino sucks just as much as MS Exchange.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but it says that Dashboard hosts applications called Widgets, which are written in HTML, which have access to "plugins" which can be written in Objective-C.
Isn't this the same mistake Microsoft made with ActiveX (ie. Virus-writer's best friend)?
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OS X may not match up to AIX or HP-UX on some of those features; scaling, high-end virtualization..
However, it does have some new technologies that might have more direct impact for more people and deliver on some age-old promises of computers making life easier; workgroup management , server task automation & client management, and volume management of its own. Not to mention everything they're doing in regard to clustering with Xgrid, and authoring software (Xcode).
Granted, the Apple stuff is new, it's not necessarily the *best*, and not even fully *out* yet, but you have to admit that there are great advances being made there, providing evidence that much attention is being paid to what AIX, HP-UX, Irix, and Solaris do best (right now). Plus, Steve's got something to prove since NeXT did so poorly against them all when they were at their peak.
Let's see... Tiger is probably going to be $129, and the hardware discount is $400+ on any 15" or larger Powerbook, any Xserve or any 2x2GHz Power Mac (maybe the dual 1.8, as well). So if you're in the market for a pro machine, and are planning to buy Tiger when it comes out, you can probably save money overall by being an ADC Select member -- even if you don't take advantage of *any* of the other benefits. (Like the free copy of OS X Server, which would cost $499 otherwise...)
I'll also note that there is a "no-frills, no-bennies, no-cost" ADC membership option. It's good for going to grab recent versions of XCode, SDKs, and misc other online dev resources that Apple provides free of charge. This level works great for MacOS X open source or shareware dev types, hobbyists, etc.
You just pirated William Blake!
apple makes more money off their hardware than their software....
"goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
It's been noted, repeatidly, that purchasing an Apple Developer's Connection membership entitles you to a hardware discount. However, do you have to be a member first before you can see what the discount is?
I admit I don't want to sign up for the program and then discover that all I get is a whopping $25 discount. If I'm buying an Apple to experiment with, the NDA is not worth the $25 I'd save.
On the other hand, a $750 discount would make it more worthwhile - I can essentially get a new system and save $250 in the process just for agreeing to the NDA.
Any ADC members willing to log into the store (and verify membership) and then throw some general ballpark numbers back at us? I know policies may forbid quoting the numbers, but surely, you should be able to say if you get your membership fee back when you buy hardware.
Arr...where's the .torrent link mateys? :)
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
Go have a look at how much software *requires* OS X 10.3. So what do people do with 10.2 ?
:/
I have an ibook with 10.3, if I want to upgrade to 10.4, do I have to re-buy iLife as well? I only have restore CD's. Crap, I'm not looking forward to Tiger coming out
They said "beautiful user interfaces"...
I was first on campus to own a NeXTstation 68040. The NeXTstep operating environment (Mach + BSD layer + AppKit + Display PostScript + included apps) wasn't a lot different then from today's MacOS X, modulo the nifty GUI extras like Expose, etc.
My point is that NeXT technology provided the boost that gave Apple such a headstart over Microsoft. The past few years have been mainly useability and performance improvements as they have iterated through releases. So thank NeXT for doing all the heavy lifting.
(posted from my 1 GHz PowerBook)
......... kris
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Assuming the iSight is on and looking at the user, a background daemon could look for middle finger patterns and then, if it detects one, dismiss the current modal dialog in the active application if one exists.
;-).
Sounds like a fun hack
"Oh yeah, Lotus/Domino sucks just as much as MS Exchange."
I was following you, and nodding a bit, until you hit this point at the end.
Notes can do some sweet things, and back before everything was a web app, it was even more useful. The whole "everything is a database" paradigm makes for an extremely useful, extensible, and powerful system - if you design and administer the system correctly. Which, I'm afraid, most people don't seem to do. E-Mail is only a small subset of the power of Notes and Domino.
On the Exchange side, nothing could be further from the truth. Exchange, especially Exchange 2000+, has proven itself as a solid e-mail centric groupware solution. It practically runs itself after the initial setup. If using IE, the web mail is an unusually pleasant webmail experience, the system is responsive and fast, and it's filled with all sorts of great stuff you can do. I've designed and maintained Exchange systems for years and besides little silly issues that are generally easy to fix.
I've been doing messaging work for quite awhile now, including work on Unix/Linux systems - Sendmail/Postfix/etc - and honestly besides Exchange and Lotus, there's really no real competition if you want something more then plain e-mail.
At any rate..
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
There's some nasty NDA business going on.
You can't even talk to other devs about Tiger if you have it.
How do you know? Do you have it?
Frankly, I have no idea what are you talking about, but it surely sounds more impressive than developing for Gnu over Penguin.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
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Retrospect does this- and has since the dawn of time, practically. It makes it possible to, in fact, back up about 100 machines in a corporate environment using about 25-50GB of disk space, assuming you exclude everyone's mp3s and whatnot.
Please help metamoderate.
MacOS tries to be a desktop OS, and it succeeds brilliantly. However, MacOS does not try to be a mainframe OS. It doesn't run on mainframes, and would't do a very good job if it could. This is what Solaris and AIX do, and they do do a good job.
Solaris? A mainframe OS? Are you insane?!
You can only get the ADC Student discount if you're OVER 18, otherwise the NDA wouldn't be binding.
If you're under, they just provide the public resources.
You have to admit the name was some kind of bad omen. Hopefully it is revived and renamed.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Dashboard is not a browser, nor is it going to be built into the browser. If you browse to one of these Widgets the browser would not know what to do.
Instead, it is an application that makes use of a very widley used and understodd programming language to let you create these little Widgets. So it really is nothing like ActiveX at all, in that it is contained.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I seem to remember having 98 but having to pay extra for 98se (which I never did, and sometime later bought my Powerbook).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I had no idea I was so close to the mark. From all the comments so far, it seems very close indeed!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I remember in the mid nineties Apple would send me videos about various subjects. It was basically a guy talking about something like OpenDoc for a half hour, describing it in more detail than the press releases, showing sample applications, etc. I think these were phased out with the ever growing popularity of the web.
How is this post offtopic? If you read the article, it says Apple will be shipping with GCC 4.0.0.. an as-of-yet unreleased version.
I don't see how remarking on that is 'offtopic'.
(Anyway, no I'm not the original poster.. time for some meta-modding I guess.)
Java 1.5
Speaking as someone who has to implement Macs at work, and likes to keep the Macs MORE functional in our environment than the PCs, this is a steal.
The cost of transition to 10.4 without my being able to learn the OS before it's released is in the multi-thousand dollar range.
Having a copy of OS X server to fiddle with lets this pay for itself (can you say non-production server?).
Getting point-releases on disc is quite important to anyone who has to master images. I'd rather use a 'native' 10.3.6 install than the disc that comes with the next Mac we purchase. There's some value there (though I can usually get one by asking for it from a sales rep).
If you're just some guy who wants to try 'tiger' out on your own, it's a waste of money, but if there are people who you need to stay ahead of and software you need to stay on top of, this has value.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
It's true that Apple loses a bit of revenue on customers who decide to pirate the latest major upgrade, but if those customers are happier with their computer as a result of it, Apple is still going to make future revenue from them.
It also helps that OS X upgrades actually make the system faster, in my experience. I was always so reluctant to upgrade to the latest version of Windows back when I had a beige box, because the bloat would inevitably slow my poor little processor to a crawl. Windows 2000 was more stable than 98, to be sure, but also a lot more resource-hungry. That's a pretty notable contrast, and is more likely to inspire loyalty, even if not every Mac owner abstains from piracy.
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i'm wondering what you have to say about Solaris then. IANA Sys-Admin
Your CPU is not doing anything else, at least do something.
Microsoft will be suing them for patent infringement shortly.
When WebObjects transitioned to Java, EOF was killed in favor of EJB
Uhh... EOF is very much available, alongside EJB.
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Call it whatever you want, patches are still patches. The list of new features is not revolutionnary, by far (http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/)And it's not like they did it only once. Jaguar, Panther, and now Tiger...
I think the problem is that you're reading the watered-down description of the OS intended for casual consumers.
Quartz Extreme, Bindings (both Jaguar), Core Data, Spotlight and Automator (all Tiger) are certainly not "patches".
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Scott Stevenson
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The one I have has a loud constantly running fan and it gets real hot. The only time it seems to run cool is when its running off the battery. And yes, I run in reduced performance mode. I have tried resetting the power circuits to no avail.
It's true that Apple currently only ships dual processor machines.
Mac OS X, however, is heavily multi-threaded. Before Mac OS X was commercially released there were development Macs in Apple's labs running many parallel PowerPC 604 processors (I believe it was 32); the OS coped just fine and gave fantastic performance. They never shipped, however, primarily because they would have been very expensive.
Some time next year Apple will start putting in dual-core G5 chips into their top-end machines, giving you 4 CPUs. The word on the street is that there will be options for even more processors. Mac OS X is already designed to cope with this.
You can expect that versions of Xserve will also appear with many processors.
As for "high-end virtualisation, monitoring and enterprise volume management", I'm not really a server kind of guy. However does't Xserve RAID along with Xsan address those things?
It's an almost unknown and totally underrated piece of software, but it works fantastically well.
Unlike some other CPU architectures, there is no performance penalty for running 32-bit applications on the G5.
Can someone explain me why one may be so sure that there is no performance penalty when all memory pointers in your application require twice the memory space (64bit instead of 32bit), and thus your application requires more memory, and thus your processor cache becomes relatively smaller for exactly the same application; in a time where processor speed is largely dominated by processors waiting for data ?
This is such a lie ! 64bit is in fact old technology, SGI has been doing it 10 years back when I was in college . And we always compiled our applications in 32bit mode, because they executed faster in 32bit than in 64bit mode, simply because memory access was the bottleneck. And that was back then when the gap between processing speed and memory (access) speed was even smaller.
IMHO, it is really only usefull if you want more than 4GB of (virtual) memory, or use very small amounts of memory (bare bones number crunching). Otherwise it simply slows down your application. In any case, you cannot guarantee it will work faster !
Requiring people to fork out $500 for a beta, an ADC account, non-specific discounts on hardware and a release of 10.4 when it eventually appears seems like rather a lot. In fact it appears more like a revenue stream than as a way to keep the unwashed masses away. Perhaps if you were an Apple shop it might be worth it for the development lead in, but I don't see any reason for individual programmers to bother.
That is of course if the ADC weren't being changed too. XCode used to be a free download but since 1.5 not any more. I would not be surprised if 10.4 shipped without XCode 2.0 at all.
But getting back to 10.4 beta... if non-developers want an unstable, timebombed OS then let them. If it breaks it is their own tough shit. It's not like this thing won't be floating around the P2P networks within days of appearing anyway.
According to this there's 36 species of cats. That's about $4600 worth of OSXs before they have to switch to something else. :)
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-Hoban Washburn
There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
XCode is a free download with the free ADC membership just as it always was.
$25 shipping fee would not stop non-developers, or inexperienced amateur programmers applying. The reason why they are not wanted is that they tend to fill developer forums with dumb assed posts like yours.
With MSDN you do not get "EVERYTHING" Microsoft makes.
The do not allow MSDN Subscribers to Download MS Games, or any Mac software...
You can get Virtual PC for Windows on MSDN , but not the Mac verison for example...
MSDN is nice, but its not everything.
I'm glad to say that I was mistaken. However, I still reckon there is a good chance that XCode will become a standalone product.
http://developer.apple.com/membership/pdf/terms.pd f
"You agree not to disclose, publish, or disseminate Confidential Information to anyone other than those employees and contractors working for the same entity as you who have an existing ADC membership."
Create an "entity" (or just walk down the office hall), both of you can talk.
What evidence do you have that suggests that? The way that Apple is dealing with seeding Xcode 2.0 is exactly like what they've done for all previous versions of Xcode and ProjectBuilder
There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
meh, a new powerbook will probably be grandfathered in to get a free copy of Tiger, depending on how long you wait. Server, on the other hand, does make it worth it :)
I've been working with Messaging for years, and even on Novell networks, most people choose to run Exchange over Groupwise.
But, Groupwise does deserve mention I suppose with it's Exchangeish features and Outlook integration, with shared calendars.
Maybe some really big shops run the Oracle stuff, but I've never seen it.
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
It's called Bittorrent ;-)
i.e. it's nice for seeing what tools Apple put in their Server version of OS X, but not really much more useful than that for anyone other than developers.
Indeed, it is. But if you want a copy of OS X Server for development purposes (gotta make sure your great new game runs on servers ;) paying $500 for membership and getting a bunch of other goodies too sure beats paying $499 just for the software.
Windows 95 OEM == Windows 4.0
Windows 95 Retail == Windows 4.1
Windows 95 OEMSR2 == Windows 4.3
Windows 98 == Windows 4.4
Windows 98 SE == Windows 4.5
Windows ME == Windows 4.6
Not insightful, -5 Ignorant Boob. Apple's developer tools and most if not all SDK's are a free download. The $$ memberships get you big discounts on hardware and tools and OS updates mailed to you. Then try comparing the price of Apple's professional memberships and software to Microsofts, and then get back to us.
If 10.4 is a service pack, then 2000 was a service pack to NT. And XP is a service pack for 2000.
**Features
Microsoft is just like a home appliance company: rather than trying to make the best product, they just keep adding new features to it to differntiate it from the last years model. Its adding features for the sake of adding features, which is why we have the god awful XP start menu, one reason why they are so many Windows vunerabilities out there (Outlook and Active X. 'Nuf said).
This is what seperates Apple from Microsoft. Apple likes adding new features, but they actually take the time to see if they are useful, as opposed to Microsoft who throws them in so they have more billets on a list of reasons to upgrade. Perfect example: personalized menus. Worst. Gui. Idea. Ever.
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