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Classic Toys For Christmas?

waterwheel asks: "Christmas is coming, and it's time to start planning our online shopping list for future Slashdot readers. This year I'm having a look at some of the more classic toys - and am finding that not only are some of the classic toys still around - but they are still educational and fun. Two good examples of this are the Rubik's Cube and the time honored gyroscope. The cube has been around for about 20 years, the gyroscope it seems for almost a 100. Both will be under the tree this year. Both of these toys are able to compete with video games - a true test of staying power. This begs the question - what other classic toys do you remember from your youth that are still fun enough that kids will play with them today?"

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  1. Dad, is that you!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I know what's under the Christmas tree! Not to hurt your feelings, but I really do like the video games. When you're not looking, I'll just move the stickers on the Rubik's Cube.

    Oh, and mom hates it when you use "begs the question" on Slashdot. It just starts a whole "that's not the meaning" discussion that no one cares about.

    1. Re:Dad, is that you!? by Naikrovek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1.0109×10^38 (101097362223624462291180422369532000000) is the number of cube combinations that you can create by moving stickers.

      4.3252×10^19 (43252003274489856000) is the number of cube combinations that you can create by rotating cube faces (as it is designed).

      the odds that you'll create a valid cube combination by moving stickers is slim. Even if you make all faces solid color the chances that the internals of the cube correctly representing the face colors is slim.

      3.2×10^22 (32000000000000000000000) is the approximate number of stars in the universe.

      (all of this from http://www.greenhodge.net/g/read/math/numbers-6.ph p)

    2. Re:Dad, is that you!? by WesG · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kids these days would probably just visit a cube solver webpage like http://www.wrongway.org/cube/solve.html instead of peeling stickers.

      Speaking of stickers - anyone remember sticker collecting. Do kids today even know about stickers?

    3. Re:Dad, is that you!? by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, and mom hates it when you use "begs the question" on Slashdot.

      I suggest that it might be time to move out mom's basement when mom starts caring about what's on slashdot.

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    4. Re:Dad, is that you!? by willy134 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think (most) people are just randomly moving stickers usually they are putting the stickers to solve the cube. However if you do just move stickers yes it very easily could be unsolvable.

      The internals are identical peices each corner looks the same and each edge looks the same and each center looks the same. You could make two colors from opposite ends of the cube to be edge "buddies" (whole cube face same color--a solution) and the solvers will fail (if they depend on color positions)---yet the cube still can be solved.

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    5. Re:Dad, is that you!? by techsoldaten · · Score: 5, Funny

      My Dad forced me to do it the hard way. He bought one of those Rubik's Cubes where the colors were built into heavy, glossy panels and surrounded with a white border - there would be no sticker swapping in my household. The cube itself was heavy, weighing at least 1.5 pounds (which was a lot of ask a 10 year old child to have to hold for 30 minutes at a time). The axes resisted attempts at rotation and it took great effort to make one actually turn. Any movement would audibly click into place, giving each action a sense of dreadful finality.

      My attempts to solve the cube would always end in failure and exhaustion, and I was very jealous of those who could take the Gordian approach and just move the stickers. Given a lighter, move wieldy cube I could have easily solved it using a traditional method, but that was not to be. It was like Rubik himself was laughing at me, giving me a problem so interesting yet so impossible to solve. When I was 14, I finally gave up on the cube and smashed it using a large rock. Pieces of it were still there years later when I went off to college.

      M

    6. Re:Dad, is that you!? by bobv-pillars-net · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ... one of those Rubik's Cubes where the colors were built into heavy, glossy panels and surrounded with a white border ...

      On the remote chance that you aren't totally making this up for laughs, where could I buy such a beastie?

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    7. Re:Dad, is that you!? by techsoldaten · · Score: 3, Funny

      Check the darkest pit of Hell, see if they do shipping.

      M

    8. Re:Dad, is that you!? by writermike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I keep reading about folks moving the stickers around on their Rubick's Cube. The only way I could solve it was to pull it apart an reassemble it solved.

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  2. Rubik's Cube by mr.henry · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Make sure you get the official Rubik's brand cube, or else you risk the Dept. of Homeland Security coming down on you.

    God Bless America.

    1. Re:Rubik's Cube by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The facts are, DHS is made up of what once was INS and Customs.

      It's in fact their job to prevent bootlegged products from hitting American markets, so quit trying to spin this story as some kind of ridiculous "war on terror gone crazy" horseshit.

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    2. Re:Rubik's Cube by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has nothing to do with patents.

      The look of the Cube is trademarked. If they used different colors, or maybe little symbols on the stickers, they might have been OK.

      It's the same thing as a counterfeit Gucci purse or Rolex.

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    3. Re:Rubik's Cube by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Informative
      (IANAL but I know how trademark law works.)

      You can definitely trademark the "look" of something. That's what Coca Cola's red-and-white cans and Nike's swooshes are all about.

      The actual standard is whether there is potential for "confusion in the marketplace" as to whether your product is the original or not. It doesn't require outright fraud claiming that it is, just enough similarity that your hypothetical Typical Consumer might mistake it.

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    4. Re:Rubik's Cube by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny
      No. It's mandatory that we get drunk, fight in front of the children and ruin Christmas!

      It's a tradition!

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    5. Re:Rubik's Cube by eclectro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's in fact their job to prevent bootlegged products from hitting American markets, so quit trying to spin this story as some kind of ridiculous "war on terror gone crazy" horseshit.

      You know what the real horseshit here is?

      Being told that the Dept. of Homeland Sercurity was formed to "improve communications between agencies."

      So why didn't they go to the freakin' uspto website and spend 30 seconds there to see that the rubik's cube patent had expired, and the trademark office had granted the magic cube guys a valid "magic cube" trademark??? (like I did)

      Rather than sending some agents to shakedown a toy shop??

      It is in fact "war on terror gone crazy"

      Somebody needs to lose their job on this one. In fact, why don't they do away with that monkey-ass color thing that flips between orange and yellow all the time and no other colors???

      I say if they can't ever give us a green (aka peace) or at least a blue, they should fold the whole damm "homeland security" department and save us the tax money and stupid stories of agents looking to use the company card on a vacation to a toy shop.

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    6. Re:Rubik's Cube by eclectro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because it has nothing to do with patents, and everything to do with trademark.

      Which part of my post did you not understand??

      The magic cube guys had/have a valid trademark for the "magic cube" (what the agents told the toy store to take off the shelf) given to them by the trademark office.

      Ser no. 76351080/reg no.2671747 look it up here or just stick in "magic cube."

      You know how to use the internets, don't you? Stop being a tool/troll or fool.

      Enough of those already work for the government.

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  3. Hungry Hungry Hippos by Red+Weasel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nuff Said

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    1. Re:Hungry Hungry Hippos by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Funny
      For the more mature crowd, Hungry Hungry Hippies.

      Or less mature, as the case may be.

    2. Re:Hungry Hungry Hippos by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 2, Funny

      It sure beats the Waiting Game!!

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  4. Legos by tech_guru5182 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember playing with legos, and still see them on the market today.

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    1. Re:Legos by seanellis · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Europe, of course, the plural of Lego is Lego. Like sheep.

      But they are, I agree, an absolute must for kids of all ages, in order to instil a properly reductionist mindset :-)

    2. Re:Legos by BigBear8080 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Legos are a must-have for every Christmas tree. My offspring are now old enough, so this year they are getting the Lego Mindstorms robotics stuff. Very cool toys for nerds and their kids.

    3. Re:Legos by lahvak · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can still buy just a big tub of assorted bricks and pieces.

      As far as the little pre-make sets go, they are kind of irritating, but the kids love them. They always beg for the little 10 piece sets, they think the star wars ones are really cool. The funny thing is, 2 days after they get a new set, it end up being all mixed up with the other sets, and they use them all together to build some totally fantastic spaceships. It's kind of funny to see a spaceship occupied by two Darth Vaders with Luke wearing a baseball cap between them. :)

      But speaking about classic toys, has anybody seen an erector set lately? The one with all the flat perforated metal pieces and gazzilion litle tiny bolts?

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    4. Re:Legos by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      The plural of sheep is lego in Europe? You guys are wierd.

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  5. Classic toy by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 4, Funny

    What other classic toys do you remember from your youth that are still fun enough that kids will play with them today?

    Firearms.

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    1. Re:Classic toy by shadow303 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or a red rider bb gun with a compass in the stock. Don't shoot your eye out.

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    2. Re:Classic toy by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How true. My daughter (16) asked for her own .22 rifle this year and one of my sons (14) wants a new bow.

      Considering both require parental supervision at their age, target practice is a great way for the whole family to get outside and do something together.

      Or, were you being sarcastic?

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    3. Re:Classic toy by NardofDoom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know what else is good for that? Geocaching. And you can't kill anyone (easily) with a GPS receiver.

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    4. Re:Classic toy by moitz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget the thing that tells time too.

      -moitz-

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    5. Re:Classic toy by philipgar · · Score: 2, Informative

      no... theres a big difference. I remember as a cub scout learning how to shoot a bb gun. it was a fun and rewarding experience. Comparing a gun with cigarettes, booze, hookers and illegal drugs is just not valid. The above do not have many legitimate uses. Guns however can be a hobby.

      It teaches kids hand eye coordination as well, and the practice of aiming, being careful, thinking about what your doing, taking your time, and being responsible. All things a kid should learn.

      When used responsibly with supervision there's nothing wrong with them. Is shooting a coke can with bb's really such a horrible thing?

      phil

    6. Re:Classic toy by Wybaar · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, you're not mapping out the area when you geocache. Geocaching is a lot like searching for buried treasure. Generally, people hide boxes filled with random goodies in somewhat remote locations and post the GPS coordinates (the 'treasure map', basically) to websites like the one above. Then people go find the caches, record that they've been there on a log, and exchange an item in the cache for one they've brought.

      If you had permission from the owner of the land on which the cave was built, you could combine geocaching with spelunking ... make it truly a quest for some buried treasure. Just make sure you don't go overboard ... not like the characters in the Knights of the Dinner Table when one of them set up a cache and then decided to defend it (issue 64).

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    7. Re:Classic toy by TheGavster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's no reason that you shouldn't teach your children about those things. If alcohol isn't a rebellious thing, but simply a beverage, then they are less likely to abuse it. Simply ignoring the existance of something dangerous will not protect your children from it; either you can educate them, or society can educate them, and society doesn't have a great track record in that respect.

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    8. Re:Classic toy by GuardianAngus · · Score: 2, Funny

      My bet is on the daughter.

  6. LightBright by SlongNY · · Score: 3, Informative

    LightBright Pwns.

    1. Re:LightBright by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously.. I think LightBright is what made making "Ansi Art" so appealing to me.

  7. Slinky and Superball by akweboa164 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The slinky was one of my favorite toys growing up.

    Also, the superball was awesome as well. I usually could be found with a superball in my pocket all the time and would be constantly bouncing it off walls, annoying my parents and everyone around me in the process!!! LOL, good times.

  8. A kind message from pedants anonymous by JamesD_UK · · Score: 3, Informative

    This doesn't beg the question, it raises the question. See here.

    1. Re:A kind message from pedants anonymous by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cause you're fighting is every bit as noble as that for "hacker", and just as lost.

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  9. Legos by genkael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to love Legos. Not only are they fun, but they teach creativity, mechanical engineering, and design. If you are playing with someone else, they teach teamwork and sharing. Not to mention you can build some cool guns and spaceships.

    On this topic, I'm not a big fan of the premade Lego sets for Star Wars or Harry Potter or whatever. Kids need the generic box of bricks and plates.

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  10. Plain-Jane Lego, of course! by VE3ECM · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't forget your plain old Lego.

    Ignore all that fancy "Harry Potter" type themed Legos that are 3 times the price of basic blocks. You can buy a huge tub of basic Lego for around 20 bucks at Toys R Us or any Lego Store.

    You can get a MASSIVE amount of plain lego that's great for stimulating a kid's imagination at a fraction of the cost of some of that "themed" Lego junk.

    If that's not "creative" enough, find some Technics Lego. That stuff is neat to play with, too!

    1. Re:Plain-Jane Lego, of course! by Japong · · Score: 4, Informative

      And not just for kids either... this has been seen on slashdot before, but the things people can do with Lego Mindstorms is simply amazing. An expensive set to be sure, but it's a toy that will scale up as the child grows older, and it's probably the most user friendly robotics set ever created. Of course, for $179.99 US (MSRP) you might want to just get one for yourself and ignore the kids altogether.

    2. Re:Plain-Jane Lego, of course! by calzplace · · Score: 3, Informative


      Along that line of the "Technics" legos -- how about the old Erector sets (or the equivelant Meccano sets)?
      I used to play with those a lot -- mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, physics, gear/pulley ratios, etc. Although Techics Legos are cool, I think that Erector sets are much more time tested.

    3. Re:Plain-Jane Lego, of course! by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If that's not "creative" enough, find some Technics Lego. That stuff is neat to play with, too!

      I have to second the call for Lego Technic. I had much fun with those when I was younger. Even if the kid (does need to be at least about 8-9 to deal with them properly) just follows the directions and doesn't make anything new, he'll get to see how basic mechanics work up close without any danger of working with "real" fanbelts and motors and such. You can learn a great deal building a Technic car or motorocycle for far less cost and risk than building a real car or motorcycle. :-)

      I recall my major Technic custom project was a Borg arm that I could stick up my sleeve and control via the battery pack tucked into the sleeve. It just opened and closed a gripper arm on the end, but it looked wicked cool, and of course required me to do a lot of design work getting the motion of the spinning motor down the length of this contraption to the gears to turn the hinge to open and close the arm. Ah, good times. :-)

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  11. I hate the cube by thered · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've got a PhD in Mechanical Engineering - I can't do it, I can't stand it.

    Sure there's a bunch of steps you can follow, but where's the challenge in that.

    I can only stand in awe of anyone who independently is able to solve the Rubic's Cube.

    1. Re:I hate the cube by multipartmixed · · Score: 3, Funny

      I got mine in 3rd grade.

      I solved in my 2nd year of university.

      Perservere, you will eventually get it!

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  12. My 2 1/2 year old... by asdfasdfasdfasdf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...will be getting some lincoln logs this year. He's already way ahead of the game thanks to educational TV, electronics, and two voracious readers as parents, so we're looking to give him something to inspire good old fasioned fine motor skills and 3d perception..

    I never liked those big fat legos-- I'll wait until he can manipulate the "real" ones before I get him into legos...

    1. Re:My 2 1/2 year old... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Man, I always loved Lincoln Logs but I never had any of my own. I remember going to a friend's house for the night and turning down video games in favor of Lincoln Logs. His mom kept saying, "Why can't you be more like lukewarmfusion?"*

      * No, that's not my real name. My parents weren't that cruel.

    2. Re:My 2 1/2 year old... by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude...this is Slashdot. You're a dork just for knowing about this place. Not only that, but you've registered, posted many comments, and obtained excellent karma. You too are a dork, just learn to accept it and you will lead a happier life.

  13. Crossfiiiiiiiiii-yaaaaa!!! by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 4, Funny

    This game entertained me well into High School for no apparent reason. There's really no skill to it, but trash talk and rematches kept it going for hours on end.

  14. Crossbows & Catapaults! by jodonn · · Score: 2, Informative

    What a fantastic game. Blended the best between mindless destruction and strategic annihilation. You can still get copies off eBay.

  15. Etch-A-Sketch by rogue555 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nothing like trying to draw a circle on that sucker.

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    1. Re:Etch-A-Sketch by KUHurdler · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plutonium. Generally they find the most toxic substances possible to put in kids' toys. Just in case.

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  16. Legos Legos Legos! by blueZhift · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I played with these every chance I got when I was a kid. And now my own kids can make literally anything out of legos. Currently their favorite creations are Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails!

  17. Fridgets by FatRatBastard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll go with Fridgets. I don't know if they're considered "classic" in terms of age (I'd never seen them before a few years ago), but I think of them as "classic" in the sense that they're simple, creative, low-tech and a lot of fun to play with. And all the rug-rats in my neighborhood love 'em.

  18. for a 2 yr old, the box by esilva · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Depending on the age of your kid but as far as my 2 yr old is concerned, he still enjoys the big empty cardboard boxes. You can make castles, tunnels, houses.. And I like it this way ;)

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  19. Lawn Darts by hAkron · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not the plastic tipped ones either...

    1. Re:Lawn Darts by HaeMaker · · Score: 2, Funny

      From IMDb:

      [Ralphie is seeing Santa, only he can't remember what he wanted]
      Santa Claus: How about a nice football?

      Ralphie as Adult: Football? Football? What's a football? With unconscious will my voice squeaked out 'football'.

      Santa Claus: Okay, get him out of here.

      Ralphie as Adult: A football? Oh no, what was I doing? Wake up, Stupid! Wake up!

      Ralphie: [Is shoved down the slide, but he stops himself and climbs back up] No! No! I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!

      Santa Claus: You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

    2. Re:Lawn Darts by Ced_Ex · · Score: 3, Funny

      Those were a great toy. It was all fun and games till someone gets hurt.

      *flashback*
      I think we were 5 years old playing on my friend Scott's front lawn. Merely throwing them across the lawn was not challenging enough for us, so we decide to throw them over our heads backwards. This was not obviously well thought out, albeit it was a riot. This other kid Joel (or Jowol as I pronounced it) came running over to see what was the commotion. He comes at the perfect time to catch a downwards spiralling lawn dart with the top of his skull.

      The lawn dart ends up sticking straight up from the top of his head, firming embedded into his cranium. He didn't start crying till he saw the blood stream down his face. Scott's father comes running out, picks the kid up and runs him back to the house, lawn dart still sticking out of his head.

      Needless to say, we never saw those lawn darts again. Whatever happened to Joel, I'll never know. Moved away that summer.

      * end flashback*

      Ahh... great toy.

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    3. Re:Lawn Darts by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh. So you're the case that spoiled it for the rest of us. Thanks alot.

  20. Buy Yourself an Projection HDTV by ralf1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give the kid the box. He'll make a fort and have hours of fun, and you get yours too.

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  21. Gyroscopes don't last more than a day by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean really, how many times can your re-wrap the string, yank it and hold it in your palm (i'm talking 'bout the gyroscope you perv)?

    I'd rather have something that makes use of the stupid gyroscope. Where are all of the fun toys that use the gyroscope? Where's the home segway kit? Why doesn't someone make more toys that USE these classic toys instead of leaving someone uninspired and wanting more?

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  22. Pre-Mades are OK by Black-Man · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because, at least with my kids, the end in the huge box along with the other sets and are re-used with their own creations.

    I've always just bought the packaged sets. I kinda wish they had those when I was a kid.

  23. Rubik's Cube... by bje2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The cube has been around for about 20 years"

    Actually, the cube has been around exactly 30 years (this year)...i have one sitting in my cube (no pun intended) as we speak...

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  24. Re:Extra $$ this Christmas? by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


    Nah, LEGO!

    Then your 8 year old can step on sharp blocks in the middle of the night just like you used to!

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  25. Playmobile by Phixxr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm going to have to say Playmobil. Just simply action figures and such, but so very very detailed. Expensive, as those european toys always are, but well worth it in my opinion. http://www.playmobil.com/

    -Phixxr

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  26. THE classic toy from our youth by lbmouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    Girls
    Oh wait, I'm on slashdot... nevermind.

  27. My favorites by acvh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tinkertoys - I got one of my creations published in the Tinkertoy magazine.

    Lego - the rectangular block kind. None of this Star Wars/Pirate/Bionicle nonsense.

    Anything else that fosters imaginative thinking: PlayDoh, Etch-a-sketch, and the like.

  28. My first toy by ajiva · · Score: 2

    When my family moved to the United States the first toy my parents bought me and my brother were a set of *metal* Tonka Trucks! Those things were industructable! We would smash them, throw them, hit them with hammers, basically do kid things with them. And those trucks still held on...

    1. Re:My first toy by Xibby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nothing beats a classic metal Tonka truck. My Grandfather worked for Tonka, designed some, made parts for others. My Dad and his two brothers tested alot of Tonka stuff. You know, dumptruck with the littlest brother in it pulled behind a bike kind of testing.

      Grandma still has lots of them. Some "new" in boxes still, most rusty and well loved. Even rusty with no paint left they will still dig up, dump, and roll. My brother and I played with them for hours on the beach at Grandma's cabin...

      And for added fun, you can teach your kids how to sand, mask, and spray paint metal. Fun stuff!

      Ah die cast construction. It's a lost art...

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  29. physics toy! by Chronoch · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I remember when I was little my parents bought me a radiometer, not really a toy but a cool gadget nonetheless.

    It's a physics device: four squares attached to a vane in a bulb of glass rotate when placed in the sun. I still have it with me in my college dorm room on a window sill.

    If your child likes science it's a neat little gift. :)

  30. Re:Rubik's Magic by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I've seen them on ebay but they're not that cheap. Example

    We got a Simpson-themed one from somewhere not to long ago...

  31. Harry Potter's 12 inch Magic Wangd by Japong · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not a classic, but the Harry Potter Nimbus 2000 is a fun toy for younger children, and surprisingly for a lot of older girls (13-18) as well. Just straddle the broom's comfortable girth, activate the magic vibrating switch, and away you go for blissful sessions (about 15-35 minutes, varies) of fantasy fun!

  32. Re:Rubik's Magic by richy+freeway · · Score: 3, Informative

    Treat yourself to a brand new one straight from http://www.rubikshop.com/!

  33. Re:Rubik's Magic by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please, nowadays classic toys mean buying PS2 games from the Greatest-Hits bin at $19.99.

  34. Obligatory Monty Python Joke by Eviljay · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't..... resist..... desire... too... strong

    When i was a kid all i got for christmas was a lump of coal and a kick up the arse. Then for dinner our mother and our father would kill us with a breadknife and dance on our graves singing Hallelujah.

    You tell that to kids today and they won't believe you

    1. Re:Obligatory Monty Python Joke by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Luxury.

      You were lucky.

      I used to have to get up half and hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, head off to work at the coal mine and pay for the luxury of working there, come home 2 hours after I went to sleep, and THEN father would cut us in two with a breadknife and dance on our graves singing Hallelujah.

      And you tell kids these days about how they have it so easy, and they don't believe you...

      --
      John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
  35. And what about Stratego? by VE3ECM · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Stratego was (and still is) a fun game to play that doesn't require the sometimes hours and hours it takes to play Risk.

    Easy enough for a kid to learn, but strategies are so varied, it's hard to ever master it against another good player...

    As an aside, I loved throwing a few Major and Colonels at the front with all my scouts and a couple of Miners and decimating my opponents' lower ranks... that gambit usually only works once or twice on them... unless they're slow to adapt.

    1. Re:And what about Stratego? by (trb001) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Stratego was also good because it didn't seem to cultivate the hatred among my friends that Risk did. We've ended marathon Risk games in fistfights, comparing each other to Hitler and Stalin. We may take it a little too seriously.

      --trb

  36. Re:Extra $$ this Christmas? by Pxtl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know you can do both right? I've been a hardcore gamer since I was old enough to buttonmash (even though the C64 had only 1 button), but I still loved my legos and my gyroscopes when I was a kid.

    A good solid metal gyroscope is a fun toy that won't break or obselesce. I loved mine.

    Ones that are still big hits with the kids: anything with marbles. You can't go wrong with marbles. Pinball machines, chute kits, Fireball Island. While static boardgames might be a dead issue for kids, motile, kinetic boardgames like Crossbows and Catapults (unfortunately also a lawsuit magnet) have the novelty of actually having active, real world objects smashing into each other.

    Personally, I want to make a simple real-world RTS game involving a punchclock and some wind-up toys.

  37. Re:Rubik's Magic by DLWormwood · · Score: 2, Informative
    've been looking for one for about a decade, I can never seem to find a "good" one on ebay :/

    Seven Towns still makes Rubik's toys, though the current color scheme for the Magic puzzle isn't the same as the cooler original that Matchbox made. However, they now sell do-it-yourself kits that allow you to make your own Magic puzzles.

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  38. Bonus for the parents by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not only are Legos an ideal gift for kids, but dad will still enjoy them as well, at least Slashdot dads. I have fond memories of the monstrosities I created with Legos as a kid, mostly of the How-Baroque-a-Car-Can-I-Make-And-Still-Have-It-Gli de? variety. Lots of odds and ends sticking every which way, yet always coming down to the same level as the rest and with a wheel underneath. Both those things were ugly -- I loved 'em!

    Put me in a room with Legos to this day and you know what? I'm gonna play.

  39. Classic by blackmonday · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Classic Football handheld. Fun, cheap, nostalgic.

  40. Re:Extra $$ this Christmas? by UNIX_Meister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with Legos now is that first, they are so damn expensive, and two, they aren't "generic" enough. The kits are made to be built into one "thing", whether it's a jungle or a spaceship or a whatever. You can use your imagination to make it into other things, but you're fairly limited. Instead, give me a big box of Legos from my childhood, where they aren't so specialized, and imagination is more important.

  41. If yo can afford it... by Moby+Cock · · Score: 2, Informative

    LEGO is a great toy except it costs a friggin' mint these days. The old style stuff that was all blocks and some smaller specialty pieces is the best. The stuff today is too specific for many different projects. So I guess I am recommending LEGO from 15 years ago.

    When I was kid I had Mecano, which was like Lego, except it used little nuts and bolts and pieces of thin sheet metal. I could make a car with it. It was really cool. Is that still available?

  42. School House Rock by eaddict · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just ordered a copy of School House Rock for my kids...er ... me.
    I am also looking at the multi purpose electronics kits and an erector set for my oldest daughter.
    I can't seem to get enough of the older toys and neither can my kids. They are so tired of plastic.

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    "If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
  43. Two Words... by tallpole · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lawn Darts

  44. You really want to know? by Swamii · · Score: 5, Funny

    What other classic toys do you remember from your youth that are still fun enough that kids will play with them today?

    Coal. You insensitive clod.

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    Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit
    1. Re:You really want to know? by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Reminds me of a story my Grandpa used to tell. He told his parents he wanted a pony. He came down on Christmas morning to find a stocking full of horseshit. "Oh, Santa left the horse," his parents said, "but he ran away."

      Gotta love that sensitive 19th C. parenting.

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  45. Electric Trains by Samlind1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Believe it or not, Lionel is still in business.

    Coincidently, Tom Hank's Christmas movie (why not, he's done everything else) - the Polar Express opened Wed. Lionel got the in on the act, and they have the official toy for the movie and are expecting to double their best year in the last 20. They are probably right.

    Electric trains are still fun, I still remember the one I had at age 5.

  46. Re:Extra $$ this Christmas? by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Which would you rather your child be doing? Blowing up stuff, or building things and then knocking them over?

    Besides, Erector sets are way cooler, sharper, and deadlier than anything else out there.

    I used to buy all my X-mas presents. But then I figured out that baking or making a present is cheaper and more personal than anything else.

    My mom can't eat flour, so I make flourless cookies. My grandfather's diabetic, so I make sugar-free cookies. And I know what each person likes, so I vary the recipes.

    15 containers from Dollar Store - $15
    Cookie ingredients for 8 dozen cookies - $50
    Total for X-Mas presents - $65
    Giving really great, personalized presents - Priceless

    This only really works if you like to cook and are good at it. But after a couple years, you'll be pretty damn good at it, and it doesn't take that long in the first place (30 minutes of labor per batch, so 4 hours).

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    You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
  47. Capsella and more by dead+sun · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think Capsella (if that's the right spelling) were pretty amusing given the number of things that could be done with simple reconfiguration.

    Also interesting and undermentioned is Erector sets. They aren't as easy to configre as Capsella, but certainly give you more freedom to do what you want. I got some good milage out of those as a kid.

    Lego is already mentioned a billion times, but I'd recommend the old school bricks as opposed to the recent specialty bricks that aren't nearly as configurable.

    Tinker Toys and Construx were good fun, though I haven't seen either around recently. I also haven't really looked.

    If you have aspiring artists consider some honest to god nice drawing pencils, some high quality paper, and a good eraser. There's about an endless number of things one can draw.

    Board games are up on my list too. Consider a nice chess set if there isn't one around the house. That's a game that's stood the test of time.

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    If not now, when?
    1. Re:Capsella and more by jtrask · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, Capsella. First of all, it's still on the market, even though I haven't owned any in years. It's the most amazing toy I ever had, loved the thing and definitely is better than Lego, Erector, etc. at making an engineer out of someone - what I wouldn't give to have one right now, because I'd still love it - and I never really did like Erector.

      As for a chess set, I've been without one for a while, and just got one for my 17th birthday. My brothers and I have been playing several games a day for the past... 9 days. Still fun.

  48. Re:Legos! by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well hello lego nazi, what else do you do for kicks.

  49. Meccano by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I loved my big Meccano kit.

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    Drill baby drill - on Mars
  50. I spent a lot of time with... by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 2, Funny

    what other classic toys do you remember from your youth that are still fun enough that kids will play with them today?

    Power outlets, broken glass and matches.

  51. Re:Extra $$ this Christmas? by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dude, the clear pieces were awesome because of that. I could always see where the pieces were, but my parents couldn't. "OW!"

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    It would be cool if it didn't suck.
  52. Re:Lego having a rough year by borkus · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you like Legos, this would be a good year to include Lego on your shoppng list. Sales for Lego have fallen over 25% in the last two years and the company is looking at a record setting loss for this year.

  53. How about... by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A bicycle?
    A tree house?
    Legos.
    Lincon Logs.
    Estes Model rockets.
    Cox Control line airplanes.
    Any of the new RC airplanes.
    Rubber band powered planes.
    Swing set and slide?
    Anything to get them out of the house and moving in the sun shine and fresh are and not sitting in front of the TV/Monitor.
    I have to say that toys that invole the real world beat the heck heck out of video games. I have to wonder what we are teaching our kids. Even the coolest Slashdot stories tend to involve things like making your own roller coaster in your backyard. A battle meck tree house. Or a full scale space ship in your back yard. Not sitting in front of Doom3 day after day.

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  54. chemistry set by cbdavis · · Score: 2

    My favorite Xmas toy. But, I would guess that the PC police has outlawed this. Way too much fun if you are nerdy. Hey, you even get chlorine gas from clorox if you work it right.

  55. toys are evil by theMerovingian · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Toys represent everything that's wrong with modern western civilization. They enforce the notion that there is a difference between "work" and "play".

    Toys are an artificial construct popularized by the Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations in the late 1800's. The inherent psychological principle is that if you mentally dissociate your job from the context of your normal life, then you are willing to put up with a constant low level of dissatisfaction in exchange for a reward of "play time" or "toys".

    Thus, by encouraging your children to "play", you are psychologically destroying them and reducing their future potential to that of an assembly line worker. People endure 40-60 hours of pure crap every week of their lives with the dubious reward of "vacation", or a nice car, or time to watch TV as their only reward. Toys simply lay the groundwork for this type of pathological motivation.

    What's the solution for this madness? Teach your children to enjoy working hard to accomplish their independent goals. Learning and discovery and adventure are rewarding without the need for false constructs. Hard work and proportional reward are the foundations of our country, and the entrepreneurial spirit should be encouraged at a very early age. Teach your children to live and enjoy life, rather than to simply endure it.

    But, failing all that, buy them a Nintendo 64 and Goldeneye... that game rocks my face off.

    --
    "If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
    1. Re:toys are evil by radish · · Score: 4, Funny

      Guess Santa always passed by your house, huh?

      --

      ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

    2. Re:toys are evil by orac2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Best. Troll. Ever.

      I tip my hat to you, sir!

      --
      "Just once, I'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets." -- The Brigadier, Dr. Who
    3. Re:toys are evil by iota · · Score: 2, Funny


      Toys represent everything that's wrong with modern western civilization. They enforce the notion that there is a difference between "work" and "play".


      I guess the producers at EA read Slashdot after all...

  56. Simon rules! by static0verdrive · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anyone else remember Simon, the (highly addictive)electronic game where you have to repeat the beeping light tone sequences? Fun, great for toddlers to get into memory games and build ... ya know, character I guess. I loved it, and not only can you find it on Ebay but they apparently still sell it (albeit smaller now, and with a transparent plastic body to jive it up for the 90's...)

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  57. Capsula by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they still make Capsula sets, try getting one. They are modular units that allow one to create mechanical devices and vehicles. I don't know if they are still being made, but I used to love them when I was a kid.

  58. Magnifying glass by drdanny_orig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a known fact: boys from 7 to 70 _love_ to play with a big magnifying glass, say 4" or larger diameter. Remember looking in the mirror with one huge eye? Discovering you can project images onto a wall? Or best of all, frying ants on the front sidewalk? It's all still fun!

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    .nosig
    1. Re:Magnifying glass by mbbac · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm an ant, you insensitive clod!

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      mbbac

    2. Re:Magnifying glass by simon_clarkstone · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have (at home) the *best* fire-starting lens: a square plastic "flat" (with concentric circular ridges) lens about 45cm == 18in across, from an overhead projector, but found (with ~10% broken off) in a junkyard. When used the right way round, it is so powerful that viewing the spot leaves temporary dots on your eyes *even through a welding glass*. I have perfected the "shadow maximising" technique of burning things not on a flat surface but in mid-air. You can even burn rocks or concrete with it.

      I always store it between books, in a huge brown-paper envelope that my copy of Knuth came in, just for safety.

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      Bad command or file name.
  59. Re:Lego having a rough year by Neil+Watson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not suprising. Many recent Lego products lack complexity and imagination, especially the movies sets like Harry Potter and Star Wars. They are also much more expensive than I remember.

  60. Orange Hot Wheels track. by jestered1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Something that I would love to buy for my kids (but can't find) is about 100 feet of that orange track for Hot Wheels model cars that I had back in the day. I don't want the $25 1'x1.5' Shark-Rocket-Blast-em' kit or whatever. Just track we can run off the couch, down the stairs, and off a pile-of-books ramp.

    Mattel, why hast thou forsaken me?

  61. What about Log? by ThePolkapunk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't everyone forgetting the greatest toy ever? The one always advertised during Ren and Stimpy cartoons? Log!!! It's log! It's log! It's big it's heavy it's wood! It's log! It's log! It's better than bad, it's good!

    --
    Dear diary: Today I stuffed some dolls full of dead rats I put in the blender.
    1. Re:What about Log? by FlatBlack · · Score: 2, Funny

      I kid you not, my younger cousin saw that cartoon and ask for Log for Christmas. I remember watching my grandpa etching the L O G into the bark. Duncan seriously had a log under the tree. He's since asked for consoles and guitars and such. Behold, the power of Television.

  62. Yo-Yos Yo-Yos and More Yo-Yos by GhengisCohen · · Score: 2, Informative
    I always suggest yo-yos.

    www.yoyoguy.com

    They also have Unicycles.

  63. 200-in-1 Electronics Lab by nautical9 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I toy I absolutely loved as a kid was the 200-in-1 Electronics Lab. It's basically just a bunch of raw electronics bits (diodes, transistors, resistors, a small numerical display, etc) all hookup up to little springs, a whole bunch of wires to connect pieces together, and a huge book with simple projects and diagrams on how to create little "apps".

    Hours of fun playing around with basic-level electronics, and you get to learn some stuff too!

    You used to see them all the time at Radio Shack and other stores, but I haven't seen one in person in over a decade. There are also different "sizes", but I can't recall what they are.

  64. Move the stickers? jeesh! by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Informative
    twist a top 9 box about 20 degrees,
    now counter a side 9box, and apply a little pressure- POP! goes the corner..

    remove all pieces except the axes center pieces, and reassemble, along the way, study the fascinating mechanism that is a rubiks cube...

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    1. Re:Move the stickers? jeesh! by nizo · · Score: 2, Informative

      With the old orig. rubiks cubes you could pop off the white center cube's face to find a screw behind it. This made taking it apart/putting it back together much easier. Sadly the new ones don't seem to have this feature :-(

    2. Re:Move the stickers? jeesh! by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Always remember to remove one of the 2-corner (as opposed to 3-corner) pieces and put it in backwards. And the scramble the cube so they don't catch it. Kids love when you do that!

      --

      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    3. Re:Move the stickers? jeesh! by kzinti · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ... remove all pieces ...

      And when you reassemble the cube, make sure you assemble it into a solved state... even if you know how to solve it. If you assemble it into a random state, there's only a 1 in 12 chance that it's solvable without another disassembly.

    4. Re:Move the stickers? jeesh! by Jetboy01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      no no no you'll never solve it like that, you have to do alternate corners... no not so fast, okay, now spin the middle side 'topwise'

  65. Gifts for a lifetime by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    My list would have to include things that can be enjoyed on many levels, and are assured of a longer useful life:
    • Baseball, glove, and wooden bat. Instructions and lesson for care of same, including the esoterics of neatsfoot oil and pine tar.

    • Large box of generic legos. Forget the little men, just give in bulk, including the long pieces. Instructions and lesson for use and care of same, including the esoterics of planning the project before building it, so as not to run out of the aforementioned long pieces.

    • Pocket knife and sharpening stone. Instructions and lesson for use and care of same, including the esoterics of blade oil (and keeping it off aforementioned stone).

    • Estes Rocket. Instructions and lesson for use and care of same, including the esoterics of making it go faster through the use of pin striping and how to use a power strip as an ignition switch without causing electrocution.

    • Microscope. Instructions and lesson for use of same, including the esoterics of what's in saliva.

    • 50-in-1 electronic project kit. Instructions and lesson for use of same, including the esoterics of using the FM transmitter project to override the sibling's favorite FM station.

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  66. Screw the kids, LEGO for ME! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am an AFOL (Adult Fan of Lego), and I think that they are the coolist thing ever. Check out some of the more interesting LEGO sites on the net:

    http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/recent.cgi A massive gallery of uber cool models made by AFOLs. There are some really amazing models posted here.

    http://www.brickset.com/ A lego set refrence that has just about every lego set ever made. Want to get a list of every classic space set made in 1978? This is the place.

    http://www.bricklink.com/ Want 150 tan 1x3 bricks? Buy them individually from fellow collectors all over the world.

    http://www.lugnet.com/ LUGNET is the Lego User Group. It has an interface to all all of the Lego USENET groups, and is an easy way to keep on top of all the relevant lego news.

    http://shop.lego.com/ Of course there is LEGOs homepage. Online shopping, and all sorts of other interesting stuff. They just released a program on the lego site that allows you to build virtual lego models. That isn't really amazing, since LEGO cad programs have existed for years. However, they seem to be ramping up to allow people to build virtual models, and then order the parts to build them online! Every lego fan's dream come true...

    There is much more, but that is a quick rundown of some of the major sites. Indulge yourself, you know you want to....

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    1. Re:Screw the kids, LEGO for ME! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do you still get those catalogs every year that showed off the new model selections? I loved getting those in the mail. As soon as it showed up, I'd flip straight to the "Space" section, and look for the latest base or 10 guy moon rover. (The Lego characters never build anything small! ;-))

      It was a sad day the year they switched from building with flat plates and blocks to the large "hull" pieces for ships, castles, and bases. They canceled the $100 monorail at the same time, so I missed my chance at ever getting a Lego train set.

  67. Then look at lego designer line by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lego is actually listening to people like you. They released the Designer series that has a lot of great basic bricks. You tend to get more bricks for the buck, and less hyper-specialized pieces.

    There alot of people in the Adult Fan Community that have been saying this for yeats, and lego is paying attention.

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  68. Not A Classic but... by FJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got my son a Chaos Tower this Christmas. He is still too young to do it himself, but he loves these kinds of toys. It definitely isn't cheap, but it isn't as mind numbing as a video game either.

    I know what I'll be building Christmas morning...

  69. Don't let corporations dictate language usage by BetterThanCaesar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's double-plus ungood.

    Besides, writing Lego in all-caps is really annoying. There is no reason for that other than making their name standing out in context. Like .NET or ATi. One capital letter is enough.

    Calling the bricks "Lego bricks" is a valid request, though, since there really isn't anything called "a lego". At least not in my vocabulary. But that might be a matter of taste.

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  70. ahh the memories... Lego car-crash contests! by Black+Perl · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Lego, ahh the memories, we used to build ever more fancy cars and race them into each other and see which one would survive.

    My brother and I would do the same thing!

    Rules:
    1. Build a car--it had to roll freely and have four wheels. Sometimes we used a rule variant that it had to contain a lego man.
    2. On the count of 1,2,3, roll 'em toward each other and wait for the crash.
    3. If a piece breaks off, you lose. Otherwise if your car flips off its wheels, it's a loss. In the lego man variation, if your man is shaken loose, it's a loss.
    4. Repeat Steps 2 & 3 until you have a winner.
    5. Winner keeps his car, loser gets to rebuild in order to try to beat it.

    We'd try different techniques--increasing the mass, using as few pieces as possible, trying different centers of gravity, building a ramp front-end to try to flip the opponent, building a "lance" aimed at what we thought was the opponent's weakest piece, etc.

    We played this game from elementary-school age even through high school. It was a fun exercise in creative thinking and we were learning engineering skills as well!

    Now I'm teaching my daughters the game--they like it too.

    -bp
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  71. How about Happy Fun Ball? by Protoclown · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's a classic.

    Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Happy Fun Ball.

    Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.

    Happy Fun Ball Contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.

    Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete.

    HFB

  72. LEGOs by dmnic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the perfect toy for boys and girls, young or old.

    fess up. how many of you still have Legos from 20+ years ago? :)

  73. slingshot, machete, hatchet, blowgun, crossbow... by r00t · · Score: 2, Funny

    Get a wrist-rocket style slingshot. This is the type
    that has a wrist brace to allow for more power.
    To go with it, get some marbles (cheap) and some
    3/8" steel balls (better, and lead-free).

    A machete is fun.

    A hatchet (hand axe) is fun.

    A blowgun is fun.

    A crossbow is fun. You can get a compact one
    that will take normal-sized darts.

    See a pattern here? If the consumer product safety
    commision or law enforcement would get nervous,
    you've identified a fun toy.

  74. Lego Bricks by devphaeton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can never go wrong with Lego.

    Rule of thumb.

    Besides, they're in dire financial straits and we need to help them out. Maybe they'll bring back just plain ole bricks vs. specialised or licensed stuff.

    check out their online store:
    www.lego.com

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  75. My list for a 4-6 yr old by t482 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The complete list

    Magic School Bus - we like most of the original series by Joanna Cole.
    Leapster Multimedia Learning System - Daughter has as severe addiction to this. But hey its eductional. We got the K and GR 1 cartridges
    Math Mat Challenge Game - active learning
    6" Disney Princess Scooter with Lights - Scooter. Learn to balance - call it a pre bike riding tool.
    Schoolhouse Rock! (Special 30th Anniversary Edition) DVD (DVD) - Fun
    Classic Tinkertoy Construction Set - Jumbo - Classic toy - favorite of several nobel prize winners.
    The New Way Things Work - Classic - save it for later.
    Is a Blue Whale the Biggest Thing There Is? - Gives kids an idea of how big the universe really is
    Too Many Kangaroo Things to Do! - Well done series of books that teach math concepts - check out all of them.
    Cardinal Chess & Checker Cabinet - Checkers is a lot of fun after dinner
    The Adventures of Tintin - Tintin in Tibet is her all time favorite. Tintin teaches you about friendship, travel, and other cultures.
    Encyclopedia of the Human Body by Richard Walker - Amazing illustrations
    What Makes a Magnet? - Nice description of electricity and magnets. She loved the experiments. Check out the other books by Franklyn M. Branley or read a loud science books.
    A Street Through Time by Anne Millard
    The Penny Pot by Stuart J. Murphy - Stuart Murphy has several books that are great - they teach math. My daughter loves money and loves this book.
    The Gods and Goddesses of Olympus by Aliki (Paperback) - Aliki does a great job of bringing history to life - check out her other wonderful books as well.

  76. Abstract Algebra... by Glove+d'OJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you taken any advanced math courses? I took a degree in math undergrad, and took two courses in Abstract Algebra. Very interesting stuff...

    One of the topics deals with commutators... elements in a group such that they are of the form aba^-1b^-1 (a, b, a inverse, b inverse) where a and b are in the group.

    You can show that the various moves on a cube are a group, and then show that various commutators (such as FRONT CLOCKWISE, RIGHT COUNTERCLOCKWISE, FRONT COUNTERCLOCKWISE, RIGHT CLOCKWISE) relate to 3-cycles. Plainly speaking, a 3-cycle on a cube is when 3 edge pieces or corner pieces rotate amongst each other, and the other pieces STAY THE SAME!

    Armed with this knowledge, it is straightforward (but sometimes laborious!) to solve a cube in random position without resorting to canned moves.

    I wrote a paper on this for the second course, and while speaking about it, solved a cube "live." Clearly I used the "canned move" approach, and could have solved it earlier than the end of the speech, but just kept it close and cycled through a 3-cycle until the speech ended. 10 seconds later, I set the (solved) cube down and walked off.

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  77. Erector Sets by SeanDuggan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They're plastic these days. :( We still have one of the old metal sets at home, compete with electric motor with two gear ratios. There was just something inherently solid about creating your mechanisms with metal beams and bolts. Heck, after we accidentally broke a bed by jumping on it, my oldest brother Michael fixed it with one of those corner pieces from the Erector Set and it took months for my parents to realize the bed had ever been broken.

    Sadly, I suspect that the metal sets would no longer be considered safe for kids anymore. *shrug* Which makes sense from a pure safety perspective, as I know we banged ourselves up repeatedly making weapons out of the pieces in addition to scrapes from burrs on the pieces and a few cases of hair or skin getting caught in the open workings of the motor. *wry grin* And then there was that incident where I got thrown across the patio by an electric shock. But in retrospect, yanking the cord out of the outlet when on a rain-soacked patio was not the brightest of moves for all that I had good intentions. (My little sister, Eileen, was reaching for the plug. Her being a toddler, I knew she wouldn't remove it safely, so I did so. Ouch...)

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  78. Ummm .... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative
    the odds that you'll create a valid cube combination by moving stickers is slim. Even if you make all faces solid color the chances that the internals of the cube correctly representing the face colors is slim.


    Maybe I'm missing your point ... but have you seen the inside of a rubiks cube? The individual pieces don't "know" they correspond to the blue face.

    There is no direct correlation between the internals and the faces -- other than the stickers are attached to the faces and preserve their relative placement on the pieces.

    It's just got the nice sane starting point of each face is all one colour when it's complete. By definition once you've made all of the faces a solid colour, the internals of the cube will be consistent with that arrangement of faces.

    If I take all of the stickers off of a rubiks cube, the faces don't know that. Heck, remove all of the stickers and re-surface each face in its entirety in one colour like a brand new cube. That will give you a fully working rubiks cube which appears to have been solved. Thereafter it will work exactly like all other cubes do.

    Now, if you arbitrarily move stickers, you're in for a world of hurt. But most anyone moving the stickers to cheat isn't going to put them on randomly. If you're doing it to drive someone insane it would probably work, 'cus as you pointed out, a whole lot more permutations.

    But I most decidedly saw a lot of people in the 80's just re-do the stickers to get a finished cube.

    It might change wether blue and green are on opposite or adjacent faces and the like, but it is a rather effective way to get a cube 'finished'.

    But you'd be really incorrect to think that if you made all of the faces each with one solid colour that the cube would cease to function. It's built in such a way as to guarantee it will continue to work.

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    1. Re:Ummm .... by isepic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if you move the stickers, you'll have to learn a new way to solve it. ALL the published techniques (and java engines, etc.) to solve it are based on the original placement of the stickers. Most of the automated solutions I've seen even state, it will not work if the stickers have been rearranged, or if the cube was apart and put back together differently.

      Nuff said.

    2. Re:Ummm .... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting
      if you move the stickers, you'll have to learn a new way to solve it. ALL the published techniques (and java engines, etc.) to solve it are based on the original placement of the stickers. Most of the automated solutions I've seen even state, it will not work if the stickers have been rearranged, or if the cube was apart and put back together differently.


      Well, since I can solve the cube, and I have disassembled and re-stickered literally dozens of cubes, I must again say NO.

      Assume for the moment that each face has been correctly re-assembled with one colour/face -- the nominal position. Most of the solving techniques involve identifying the opposite and adjacent faces, and the patterns of moving pieces are to make them line up. From there it's not all that complicated.

      I concur that if you take apart the cube and re-assemble it in a randomized pattern, you won't solve it. Same goes for randomly moving the stickers. But I'm specifically saying that once you have each cube face as being exactly one colour, it's all the same, and just variations on the same theme.

      Solve the cube, re-sticker it. If Blue and green used to be adjacent, make the opposite. Solve the cube again. The moves are all relative to the known configuration (each face is one colour), not which colour is on which face.

      Again, taking it apart and re-assembling it randomly is not what I am saying works. If you start with a cube in a known-good state (all faces have one colour), you will always have a cube that behaves self-consistently.

      But I can gurantee you that if you take a cube to someone who can manually solve it, have them solve it, then switch the colours of two faces, that person will still be able to solve that exact cube.

      You can take this all the way to moving all six faces, because the pattern is based on an association between the elements, and the assumption you don't have a truly randomized cube. In that case, the colours of a corner piece would not match up to the relative orientation of the center faces (the only pieces which never actually change their location).

      I'm saying there are a bunch of valid "original placement of the stickers" which can be made to work. Wether the blue face is opposite to green, yellow, red, orange, or white, the mechanism for solving the cube does not change.

      This doesn't mean I expect any reassembly of the cube to be solveable, but if you strip off the stickers and assemble it as a finished cube, that cube is solveable by the exact same techniques always used.

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  79. Vaseline to improve the feel? by SeanDuggan · · Score: 2, Funny

    For some reason, applying vaseline to my toys to "improve the 'feel'" sounds vaguely wrong, let alone my kids' toys...

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  80. Re: Stratego - Risk - Diplomacy by clnelson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hah! Good point. Risk always did seem to end that way especially since the end game has more to d with timing than anything else. At least an hour later you could probably talk to your friends again ... unlike Diplomacy.

    Diplomacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game) Now here is a game that will lose you friends. Simultaneous moves, social interaction and high-stakes negotiations. With Gamers. A recipe for destruction.

    I have a friend who still recounts to people (who are rolling on the floor laughing) about getting chased around the room with a knife after he negotiated the sabotage and destruction of another player.

    Classic.

  81. Rocks, dog crap, rusty appliances by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kids today are far too coddled. They need to play in weed-infested vacant lots where they can get a chance to play with rusty pieces of metal, weathered 2x4s with nails in them, and construction debris.

    I remember dog crap playing a big part in street play in my childhood. No one picked up after their dogs back then, nor leashed them. Dog crap could be hurled at other kids, or rubbed into item which were then handed, all innocent-like, to other kids. At the Fourth of July, toys loaded with both fireworks and dog crap were a source of excitement and an incentive to great speed and agility.

    To heck with your Gameboy Advances and LEGO Star Wars Episode VII sets. An old washing machine can with a little imagination serve as a time machine, and a discarded refrigerator makes a SWELL gas chamber for the final scene in Cops n' Robbers games and that actually kind of works for real!

    Stefan

  82. Re:Bike helmets by jnik · · Score: 2, Informative
    Actually, I'm one to advocate bike helmets for the same reason I advocate seat belts. There's often some fairly high speeds involved and there's a lot of concrete around these days for kids to ram their heads into.

    Helmets are great; I'm a convert (especially since I like my helmet-mount mirror). But proper riding techniques are better. The helmet's the last line of defense in safety and sadly over-emphasized. With kids, who are more likely to fall and still developing both motor skills and interaction with other traffic, they're most important.

    To get back on topic, depending on temperment of the kid and financial situation, a bike can be a great gift.

  83. My faves - are they around? by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There was an Erector Set, lots of girders and nuts and bolts and stuff. Even an engine.

    My Chemistry set. I still remember what color you get when you mix Ferric Ammonium Sulfate and Tannic Acid! I remember starting to play with it Christmas afternoon, and my Mom insisted that my Dad sit in the room with me, I assume to make sure I didn't blow anything up. He sat there reading the whole time, only looking up when I said "Hey Dad! Look! I can pour this into this and it turns blue!"

    My first Microscope. I forget the name of the set, it was a set of cardboard tubes, and lenses you could plug into either end. It worked great, and I remember Dad giving up a drop of blood so that we could take a look at it.

    Kids today.. yeah, Gamecubes are cool, but they don't know what they're missing.

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  84. Re:Gyroscopes are GREAT!!!!! by Torontoman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had a die-cast metal gyroscope when I was a kid. One day I wound 15 feet of fishing line onto it, tied the end to a door knob and ran accross the room. I no sooner had put it on the floor when it started making this freakish humm - before I could reflect on the drawbacks of overclocking my Gyroscope it shattered and the spokes shot off in all directions - including two into my lower legs drawing blood. Some stuck into a pine bench accross the room, and some into the wall. Awesome - I'll never forget that. I think it must have been like starting the first nuclear chain reaction... "how high can we rev this sucker?"

  85. Microscope by charlie763 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had a microscope and a telescope when I was a kid and I remember them being the coolest things I owned. A microscope or a telescope will introduce a child to a whole new world that they can't see on their own. They may even get to wondering about other aspects of life that they can't directly interact with or see with their naked eyes (e.g. how a tree works).

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  86. Re:Erector Sets by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 4, Funny

    you do realize you just posted your sister's photo, name, job and location to thousands of desperate single geeks? is this some kind of subconscious retribution for her getting you shocked?

  87. Christmas Toys by ctstone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am a bit younger than most who post on here, but K'Nex is another exciting toy that fosters creative and engineerng skills. I remember just building lots of planes that would bomb the crap out of unsuspective people below (yes i actually made K'Nex bombs my planes would carry).

  88. Begging the Question by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 2, Informative
    This begs the question...

    No, it doesn't. It raises the question. Petitio Principii, as it is called in Latin, or 'begging the question' in English, is circular reasoning: assuming that which is to be proven.

    This is not rocket science. It's the sort of thing one learns in any semi-decent grade school. Sheesh.

    That said, this Christmas I'm hoping to receive a sweater or two--it's indeed sad when one gets so old that the dreaded gifts of one's youth are looked forward to.