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Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
Iphtashu Fitz writes "This week the UK's Royal Navy presented images taken by the survey ship HMS Scott of the damage to the floor of the Indian Ocean that triggered the tsunami two months ago. The Scott has a high-resolution multi-beam sonar that let it generate highly detailed images of the sea floor, some 200m to 5000m below sea level. An image showing the scale of the damage, and the full presentation made by the Commanding Officer of HMS Scott (38MB PowerPoint) are available. The presentation contains a number of images that have more detail than those available on the websites."
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The tsunami evidently took out the royal-navy's servers as well =\
Linking to a 40meg powerpoint file. I can smell the server burning from here.
Why in the world would some sadistic person put up a 37 MB power point presentation on slashdot. Damn you must hate the home office. Well it still downloading strong for me at about 87KBs
Timothy
I hope the British readers here didn't have any urgent business with the UK Hydrographic Office site!
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I wonder what kind of effect this damage has had on things like Coral Reefs and deep ocean habitats surrounding black smokers?
... and in the DRM, bind them.
The bastards!
/. a military server...
Just goes to show how crappy some of the IT projects in this country are when you can
Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
Fitz just linked a 38 megabyte file from the front page... does this mean that slashdot just declared war on the U.K.?
~UP
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Damage to the floor of the indian ocean?
How about damage to this poor website after posting a 38MB powerpoint on slashdot!
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Two comments posted and this thing is slashed. Very Sad indeed. Thank Goodness we can load up the PPT and read it directly. How long do you think that is going to last? Oh, well... In true slash style, let fly with the comments and speculation a Damn all to the actual story.
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the UK Royal Navy website was completly destroyed by the Slashdot Tsunami
By reading this, you have given me brief control of your mind.
Are those images real or fake? Before anyone posts some proof I will remain skeptical. Slashdot is known for posting lies about tsunami.
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The first slashdotting of the ocean floor.
damage to the floor of the Indian Ocean
BZZZT! The surface of the earth cannot be damaged. Changed, yes, but not damaged. Unless you're suggesting that we need to get back to Pangaea somehow.
Look, there are natural tectonic processes that have been going on for as long as the earth existed. Volcanoes and earthquakes are CONSTANTLY reshaping the surface of the earth. THIS IS NOT DAMAGE. This is normal behavior for the ecosystem.
Next we'll be hearing that the predator/prey relationship needs to be banned because it damages animal populations, or that animals need to poop more because the coprophilic bacterial populations are abnormally low.
Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
I think people really really like saying "tsunami". Too bad most don't even pronounce it the right way.
The floor was not the effect of the tsunami, it was the effect of the earthquake, of which the tsunami was also an effect.
See, I like saying "tsunami" too!
tsunami. tsunami. tsunami.
For god's sake did anybody running this site really think that a direct link to a 38 meg ppt wouldn't bring down that server?
Can someone please reply with sites that are like slashdot but not run by monkeys?
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Thinking about it scientifically, along with the terrible loss of life in this event is incredible.
To me, this is a huge reminder that the planet in itself is capable of incalculable (in terms of lives affected) violence. And also that there will be in due time, something comparable. Or worse.
And to think about the squabbles we have, our territorial ambitions, our day to day lives, it really means nothing in the face of these kinds of forces.
Blacker than my baby girl's stare. Black like the veil that the muslimina wear. Black like the planet that they fear...
So wait, you're saying that the news media should cease covering all news other than that of the Tsunami until the multi-year long process of rebuilding is over?
...
This just in: Poodle soaked! Tsunami still a tragedy! Goth's flock to Sri Lanka for mass suicide, just like lemmings!
Oh yeah, and some important stuff happened elsewhere too
NEWS FLASH
British Royal Naval Communications brought to a halt today. Somehow a Naval Report on the latest Tsunami damage was linked to Popular IT Community Web Site SlashDot.org. The resulting Bandwith usage rates shot to am alarming rate, and crippled Data Communications to Royal Naval Forces, and forced the Royal Navy to respond, by issuing the following Statement. "Koh! Blimey! We've been knackered by the BOFHs'!"
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How is this flamebait? It's a good point. The other thing that the American media forgot about, in the wake of the Tsunami, is the current situation in Darfour. The fact is the vast majority of American media is terrible. We talk about this all the time on Slashdot. How is this flamebait?
I completely agree with you. It seems like only yesterday I was watching images of the tsunami on every cable cha...hey, Condoleezza Rice just returned from her first overseas visit as Secretary of State!
You had me at "dicks fuck assholes".
Not only were the undersea landslides not the result of the tsunami -- they were the result of the causal earthquake -- but there's evidence to show that undersea landslides can be a major cause of tsunami. So these might help explain why the tsunami was/were so devastating.
A 40 MB file on the front page. Way to go douchebags, thanks for taking our server out. Here's the text of the article:
The Royal Navy's survey ship HMS Scott has collected unique images of the Indian Ocean seabed in the vicinity of the devastating tsunami earthquake epicentre.
The work, announced last month by the Ministry of Defence, is being carried out in order to further the understanding of earthquakes and assist prediction of such events in the future. It will be of considerable benefit to the Asia region as a whole and potentially give a global perspective.
HMS Scott's tasking is a non-military role that will provide bathymetric ( measuring the depth of water ) and geological assessment of the Asian earthquake epicentre and extended fracture zone. To assist with this, scientists from the Southampton Oceanography Centre and the British Geological Survey have embarked in the ship.
The depth of water in the vicinity of the epicentre varies between 200m to 5000m which is well within HMS Scott's capability using her high-resolution multi-beam sonar.
The epicentre lies within the Indonesian Exclusive Economic Zone, and the survey itself follows discussions with the Indonesian Government about HMS Scott's potential value in furthering the understanding of the earthquake and future risk prediction. The survey falls under the definition of Marine Scientific Research under United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
Survey imagesHMS Scott's survey will provide the 'base map' for future extensive research into the process of how earthquakes work; this is a crucial moment to conduct such research.
While HMS Scott is not directly involved in the humanitarian relief effort, her survey work in the vicinity of the epicentre is of significance to the scientific community in furthering the understanding of the tsunami.
HMS Scott deployed from the UK in November 2004 in order to undertake a programme of work in the North Atlantic, Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean and is scheduled to return to the UK in June 2005.
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If you're gonna write "goth's" shouldn't you also write "lemming's", or are apostrophes just added at random these days?
From TF(/.d)A:
The collision has forced up spectacular large thrust ridges up to 1500 m high...
New ridges nearly a mile high?!? Well, that certainly explains the little wave it made...
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This is getting ridiculous. Why does Slashdot continue to post stories with direct links to massive files that are hosted on sites that will obviously be killed instantly, once users start clicking the link? Would it be too much to ask to begin mirroring the files, or provide a torrent?
These stories that reference some outside source are useless half of the time, because the source instantly becomes unavailable for a few hours until some new story comes up. It's getting really old.
Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
The damage to the ocean floor was a result of the cause of the tsunami - not the effect thereof. Tsunamis do not damage the ocean floor until they get into very shallow water (i.e. the coastline).
I've made up my mind and now I've got to lie in it.
Has dispatched the fleet already.. tally ho!
The India tectonic plate, one of the most mobile in recent geologic time, slipped underneath the southeast asia one causing a major uplifting, which caused the tsunami. A relatively unusual geologic cause of a tsunami. Original reports where that some areas fell by 2000 ft, which would be quite remarkable and a bit of an exageration.
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Bullshit.
Didn't you see the news YESTERDAY where Bush tripled his funding request to Congress for tsunami aid to $950 million?
Oh, wait. You were too busy bashing the U.S. to let a simple thing like hitting news.google.com (where it was a top story in it's category for most of the day) get in your way.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Dammit. I knew we should of signed the Kyoto Protocol.
Slashdotters' guns were aimed and requests were comin' fast,
The first link hit the website, they knew she couldn't last,
That mighty Naval server room is just a memory,
"Avenge the Bismarck" was the battle cry, sent over TCP.
We found the freakin' powerpoint that's makin' such a fuss!
We slashdotted the website 'cause the world depends on us!
It hit the front page runnin, when we spun our browsers 'round,
Yeah, we found the Royal Navy, and then we shut 'er down!
With apologies to Johnny Horton's Sink the Bismarck, 1960, and those who served aboard both the Hood and the Bismarck.)
I'm sure the reduced media coverage is why President Bush asked Congress to approve $600 million in new money for tsunami relief. That was... Wednesday: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/09/tsunami.aid/index .html
The lack of media coverage is just because nothing new is happening. The event has happened, and now the affected areas are entering a long rebuilding process. We're still helping them. It's just not a new story anymore. There's a reason it's called the news.
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
And the U.S. media is responsible for reporting non-stop on the tsunami and that other thing you mentioned because...?
Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.
Please. The American media may have plenty of problems, but its hardly to blame for the lack of attention being paid to Sudan. It's been going on a long time, and the media occasionally tries to bring it up again. The fact is we just don't care about what happens in Africa. Maybe if a few members of the British media (or someone else we actually relate to) wander in there and get massacred, we'll pay some attention. But the tsunami isn't to blame. If it wasn't the tsunami story that took precedense over the Sudan story, it would have been something else. Perhaps what Britney Spears had for breakfast, for example.
A tsunami has been detected approaching the coasts of Greenland and Iceland from the East. Geologists suspect this tsunami is due to the plunging of the entire uk.gov webserver complex into the atlantic ocean and a very high velocity.
Did anyone happen to get the entire presentation and have a torrent up somewhere?
If anyone managed to grab the ppt, please either post a torrent or let me have it and I will.
You are not the customer.
These are geological changes, not Grandma's china getting broken.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Many Canadian charities havce stopped accepting tsunami relief donations. The Canadian Red Cross claims to have enough money to sustain their activities in the region for ten years.
Today the British Navy abandoned the gulf and turned its ships and nuclear submarines onto the Slashdot editing team. An initial force of Special Boat Service (SBS) forces was expected to take out the chain of command before a period of continual bombardment by artillery, missle and aircraft.
A spokesman from the British Navy said "right that's it, we've left the buggers alone since 1812 but that does it."
In related news Slashdot is being re-hosted from Camp Delta, along with any remaining members of the editing team.
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Besides all the other posts, I seem to remember the US being told to "go home, we don't want you here" by some governmental agencies over there. Makes me wonder why we trippled our aid . . .
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I have some issues with your other statements. but I don't feel like a nitpick war. Instead, I'll just address what I perceive to be your basic argument. It's a common one: "Change and evolution are a part of nature. Nature is capable of fixing itself. Let's leave it to do that, and get on with business." It's true that nature will respond somehow to all the changes being forced on it -- extinct species eventually replaced by new speciation, destroyed environments eventually get replace by new environments, etc. But the key word here is "eventually". As the species that does more than any other species (or natural force) to change the environment, we can't afford to sit back and wait for Nature to strike a new balance. Aside from the sheer waste of watching thousands of species slide into extinction, we have to consider our own survival. Which requires keeping an eye on the total environment, in addition to mitigating the damage we do ourselves.
The problem is that the aid money will end up going to American companies, so it doesn't go as far as it would if Bush had simply written a check to say Mercy Corp or Oxfam or Doctors w/out Borders or something.
So compared to bombing Iraq into semi-submission, the $950 mil is pretty damn cheap.
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No kidd'ing. He should at least tr'y for consist'ncy.
Maybe I should rename myself to "gramm'ar fashist."
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Not a system to detect tsunamis approaching, but a system that detects a stupid editor that doesn't edit out a link to a 38MB Powerpoint presentation on the front page of slashdot.org
The Royal Navy could have been saved. They haven't known this kind of pounding since they tangled with the Spanish Armada or the U-boats.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Hey, perhaps after they've finished with the Indian Ocean, they could go and survey the Pacific floor where that SSN crashed a few months ago...
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I don't know about you, but just Wednsday (Ash Wednsday), my Church had a collection for the tsunami victims.
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Because people need help even (especially?) under a stupid governement.
I wouldn't say it's not damage, I would rather say that it's this type of damage is just a normal part of the Earth's processes. It's still damage, although I understand your point that that is probably too abstract for Joe Public to grasp by him/herself, and so the term is misleading to the public, who only think of damage in purely negative terms.
Next we'll be hearing that the predator/prey relationship needs to be banned because it damages animal populations
Similar but true: For a long time people thought that forests and other ecosystems such as grasslands and vynbos should be "protected" from fires, because it "obviously causes damage", or so people intuitively thought. This causes problems such as excessive amounts of flammable material building up on forest floors, making fires far worse when they do occur, and complicating necessary natural decomposition processes. More importantly, fires have been burning in these ecosystems for so long that the plants and animals have evolved to in some cases require them to occur, for example some types of seeds will only germinate once they have been burned or smoked. Nowadays the focus is usually on better management through controlled burnings so as to avoid the burnings causing problems for human activities.
As with all complex systems, the natural world is not always intuitive. Also, wanting to protect nature and *understanding* nature are two different things. The problems stem from incomplete knowledge (as with global climate change). The answer is always more knowledge.
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yo whack-o-jack-o,
He wasn't bashing the US rather he was being a little critical of the US media which in my opinion, not only needs a little ribbing, but also a full on figure-four-leglock. And maybe a few kicks to the skull for good measure.
If being critical of the US media makes a person an american agitator , then forward my name to the committee of Un-American Activities.
btw, i find your username particularly ironic in contrast to the tone of post. back to the quaaludes for you, baby.
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Nearly a billion dollars is pathetic?
How much have you PERSONALLY given to the cause? And then, can we see how much you have spent on other, not-necessary expenses?
If you want to cast stones, one should be ready for the return volley.
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Also, a big monster with a head like an squid is walking from there to Tokio. Press there don't know if call it Godzilla, or if they must call Godzilla to save them.
Yes, it's fucking pathetic. $5 billion divided by 5 million displaced people = $1000 per person. That has to cover food and temporary housing for the time it takes to construct permanent housing, as well as the cost of the permanent housing itself. Then you have distribution costs, losses due to corruption, etc. Then, you need even more money to float the economy for years while things begin to get back to normal. It just isn't enough money.
How much have you PERSONALLY given to the cause?
Stupid question. How do you know if I'm telling the truth?
If you want to cast stones, one should be ready for the return volley.
Your "return volley" is what, again? That Bush's pathetic contribution is acceptable because the my contribution is allegedly equally as pathetic? What are you arguing here, that the U.S. is okay because we all suck equally?
How much have you PERSONALLY given to the cause?
I PERSONALLY gave hundreds of dollars UNWILLINGLY for the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Fine and dandy.
:x
I'm one of those (underwhelming minority) people wo think that if the world wants us to withdrawl we should. completely. Inclusive of troops, aid, and support. I understand the unpopularity of the moves we made in Iraq. Fair enough. But if we are going to have diplomatic rotten vegtables thrown at us, I'd rather just leave and spend all the money we normally spend on forign aid and bases on fortifying our borders instead.
I realise that I am probally placing myself to the right of Rush in the political scale, but it's how I feel and I'll stand by it.
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damn 2.2 here....4 hours for a powerpoint presentation. I'm not going to make it.
God, I don't know how that snuck in there. $950 million / 5 million is $190 per person. Not $1000.
...as if millions of slashdotters all posted the same joke about the Royal Navy's web server going down. I fear something terrible has happened.
$950 million is a pathetic excuse for a donation
Well then perhaps nothing at all would be just as well. Since when is a 'donation' a requirmed amount or even a requirement in the first place?
Maybe that makes you feel proud, but it makes me feel sick.
It makes me sick that a comprehensive tsunami warning system for that entire region of the world costs for a tiny fraction of $950 million. But rather than spend money to better their citizens the corrupt governments line their own pockets and now come crying to us for donations. It also makes me sick that barely a year ago a maylay terrorist blew up almost 300 westerners in a night club. Now we send them whopping loads of money for a natural disaster that some of the mullahs there claim is punishment for them not killing more of us. And people like you want to send more to them?!?
They told the US, and every other country who offered it, that their armed forces were not required to maintain law & order.
More information and pretty pictures available from NOAA's Web site: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tsunami/indo20041226/hms_ scott.htm
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The governments are corrupt, so we should punish the citizens? Nice try.
It also makes me sick that barely a year ago a maylay terrorist blew up almost 300 westerners in a night club.
So it only matters to you if white people get killed?
Now we send them whopping loads of money for a natural disaster that some of the mullahs there claim is punishment for them not killing more of us. And people like you want to send more to them?!?
You're arguing that because there are psychotics in Asia we should let everyone rot?
You are one sick fuck.
There's a reason it's called the news.
With the latest stories and reports and behaviour of the "news" media, you'd think they would call it the "Sensationals".
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And fascist. As someone told me recently though, there's no excuse for correct spelling.
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As you noted, we are giving $190/person displaced. This, however, is not the entire amount we are giving. We have done other "off budget" donations by diverting resources from military, and other means. If anyone can show me a source with a grand total, I would be interested to hear it.
Even given your assumption that the outside world should shoulder the burden for this, we have done well. The GDP/person in Indonesia was $970 dollars. (I believe Indonesia was the hardest hit). Our donation would employ the displaced folks for nearly three months to work and rebuild. Our donation covers the GDP/personal killed for about two years. And we are not the only country who is pitching in.
Another point... simply dumping in more and more money will not help. We could have tons of food for folks... but no means to get it in. The US/Australia (and Japan, I believe) have been working together to build airstrips and other ways to get aid to some of the worst hit places. If memory serves, this $950 million does not include some of these efforts (please correct if I am wrong).
And another point. The left yelled about Bush's original $350 million pledge, and many argued it should be a billion. Now that it IS a billion, the left has either shut up (and given no credit), or bitched that it still isn't enough.
And another point: I did NOT vote for Bush in '04.
And another point: My argument about your personal giving is valid. If someone doesn't but their money/actions where their mouth is, then they are generally not worth listening to.
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I read about Darfort every day. I like the dog. He's funny. And Darfert's co-workers. Scott Adams captures the essence of cubicle life so well.
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Whether or not the money is sufficient, the fact remains that we're willing to spend 1000 times as much money per capita on war as on humanitarian activities. No matter how you slice it, there's something wrong there. Iraq is not like World War II which had to've been won at any cost.
My argument about your personal giving is valid. If someone doesn't but their money/actions where their mouth is, then they are generally not worth listening to.
I didn't say it was an invalid argument, merely that it's silly because I could simply lie and tell you I donated $1000 personally and you'd have no way of checking. So what's the point in telling you whether I've donated? You can conveniently claim I'm just making it up.
But you'd know if you were lying. If you are an intellectually honest person, you'd see your hypocrisy. If you are not, then this entire argument is a waste of my time. I generally assume I am dealing with an honest person until I have evidence to prove otherwise.
It takes hard work to remain this naive.
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Slashdot is rather like Ankh-Morpork. Spelling and punctuation are mostly considered to be optional extras.
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After all, the entirety of human progress has proceeded completely naturally.
Most of the money you're wanking about was spent long before the tsunami hit. It's neither fair nor honest to count that, but don't let that stop you if it helps you get your rocks off. The only fair way to compare is how much money we're spending on Iraq now with our spending on the tsunami. Does anybody have those figures?
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For those without a torrent client there is a mirror of the powerpoint file here.
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Yes, it's fucking pathetic...
And how much money has been pledged by other countries?
You are an idiot. There are also tens of millions in private donations, if not hundreds by now. Why the hell should the US government keep digging into the public coffers? It has been reported over and over that there is plenty of money right now -- what they need more is workers to help rebuild. Why don't you volunteer?
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Hey Jackass, there are people in this country too. And guess what, they donate money to the organizations over there too. You know those other big pieces of land around the world we call countries? Yeah, most of them gave money too.
Why do you expect the American government to foot the bill to care for these people? A product of living one's life having money handed from my paycheck to your pocket, no doubt.
LiveScience report that a new analysis of the December earthquake that caused disastrous tsunami waves to strike Asia and Africa. The report finds it was three times more powerful than earlier measurements suggested. This would make it the second largest earthquake ever instrumentally recorded...
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Cite evidence that shows a) where the money is going and b) if it's going to American companies, why they are less efficient than non-American companies.
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I too did not vote for Bush. In fact, you could say that I voted against Bush. This doesn't mean I believe everything he does is wrong. In regard to the tsunami relief effort, I feel we are doing a good job. Now this isn't one of those "America is the most generous countries in the world" posts. We had our soldiers flying in on relief missions and we stayed around providing drinkable water and food to people. We've also worked with other countries to help with the long term reconstruction.
Some people will say we are not spending enough no matter how much we spend. Sure Iraq was a war of choice -- it was also a war I opposed. Once we made a commitment there as a nation we had no choice to follow through with that commitment. Iraq is our obligation at this point.
What happened to the people effected by the tsunami is tragic. Of this there is no question. However, our obligation there is not the same as our obligation in Iraq. In many ways it is pointless to compare the two situations.
When peole bash Bush, just to bash Bush they loose a lot of credability. If you want to criticize his private social security accounts thing, hey there is a lot to support your critizism. Fell free to criticize how he handled the occupation of Iraq. I personally think he fucked that one up. However, if you think everything he touches turns to poo, you're just going to be considered a left leaning extremeist.
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Seeing as how the federal government takes $1257 from me every month, I'd say it's far more likely that you benefit from my tax dollars, than I benefit from yours.
And I'd much rather prefer a large chunk of that $1257 go somewhere beneficial than where it's going now, which is Iraq. As a taxpayer it's my prerogative to express where I want that money spent. Yeah, the government probably won't listen, but that's the great thing about America, I can bitch about it.
But how did this become a debate about my salary?
The worst part is that we already know what will happen if we don't do anything. Nine-hundred-thousand people! Yes, the tsunami was a terrible thing, and sure, it's not the "fault" of the tsunami that no one hears about Darfour, but compared to the human cost in Rwanda the tsunami's damage was relatively small.
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People are arguing that I shouldn't bitch if I haven't donated. Leaving the question of whether I have or not aside, it is certainly my right to bitch. The money is MINE. Don't complain to me about not giving enough, when money is being taken from me against my will and given to a purpose I do not support.
Maybe I could give more if I wasn't taxed so much -- make sense?
The Joint Academic Network also pays per unit of data transferred over the transatlantic link. You've just bankrupted them!
On a slightly more serious note, I think the fact that Slashdot can bring down some fairly beefy servers demonstrates that there is a fundamental flaw in the architecture of the Internet. Slashdot is "popular", but not overwhelmingly so. I don't think I've ever seen a topic go above a few thousand posts and it's very likely many people posted more than once. Slashdot's total circulation is probably in the 5,000 - 7,500 bracket. In comparison, a typical British broadsheet might be read by 175,000 people. Give Slashdot 30 times the readership, and admins of even the most powerful sites would cower in terror.
Network overload is not confined to the realms of Slashdot, however. The tsunami early warning system is to be placed in a highly active region. There may not be many real tsunamis, but there will be a great deal of information flooding in. Unless those monitoring and administrating the system have a reliable and effective means of filtering out what is useful and what isn't, they'll either be causing a panic on a daily basis, or blithely ignore the next catastrophe as it unfolds.
Raw information is like raw chicken - hazardous in that state, but beneficial when correctly processed.
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You are one sick fuck.
Sounds like somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!
You deserve to be shot. You sad bastard.
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I think that was only for India, who typically don't accept external aid.
Sri Lanka, Thailand, and Indonesia are happily accepting our aid
Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
"Oh, wait. You were too busy bashing the U.S. to let a simple thing like hitting news.google.com (where it was a top story in it's category for most of the day) get in your way."
Heh. Not sure it was intentional or not, but ya made a point about how there's more news in the world than most are able to keep track of. If the American media SUDDENLY was on top of Sudan, we'd then be criticized for not paying attention to a problem in South America.
It's been rather fashionable latey for the USA to be bashed by countries that really shouldn't be throwing stones.
"Derp de derp."
Whether you like it or not, some of your tax money is going to go to both causes. You certainly have the right to complain if you feel it's being spent on the wrong things.
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I'm sure the someone has. It's just classified right now. A few years will go by and if we did it someone will get under the Freeom of Information Act.
What a great fucking system, stops downloading when it's 98% done.
What are that chances this thing resumes? I'm guessing not good.
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Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
A pity.
What you say may be true, but it's a time-tested and proven strategy. The Marshall plan worked exactly this way.
Of course, what might be an even better strategy than going with American companies or international NGOS is to contract with indigenous companies to provide relief and reconstruction services. The multiplier effect would increase the impact of the money, expanding and creatine new enterprises to employ the people who lost so much in the disaster.
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You can't do simple math (or for crying out loud use a fucking calculator) but you expect us to take your post seriously?
How can we be sure your fact checking on everyting else doesn't suffer the same problems as your math?
You are making a mistake in equating the amount of news coverage an event receives with the depth of feeling people feel for an event.
For example the last few days there has been a lot of coverage about Prince Charles re-marrying, according to your theory this means everyone cares deeply about the event whereas in fact no one really gives a toss.
The last we have heard about the Tsunami is that aid is now being delivered and the task of clearing up and rebuilding is beginning, if this changes then I would like to hear about but if the situation remains the same then I do not need daily updates saying the same action is being taken and things are slowly improving as expected.
I have attended 2 Tsunami fund raising events in the last 2 weeks and there are still donation boxes in most supermarkets which people are still using so it seems we do still care about the disaster and want to help.
And the distance between "forgot" and "nonstop reporting" is?
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You are suffering from false memory syndrome, I suggest you stop seeing your pyschiatrist immediately.
Its slashdotted alright but look what its running and you won't be surprised why
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A comprehensive tsunami warning system needs to be maintained. Given that in that region a tsunami hits every century or so, try to calculate the odds that the thing will be operational around 2100 when the next one comes.
Haven't you seen the news that the country "donations" to tsunami relief were just pledges, which have seen only about 1/3 of the money actually delivered? Though the individual people's contributions have all been coming through promptly. Haven't you seen the news that Bush's $15B pledge to African AIDS has paid only $1B? Aren't you paying attention at all to the fact that Bush routinely promises big handouts, even to the troops, then underfunds them all, in order to save money for his bigger handouts? Like the $750B drug program, the trillions in tax protection for the rich, the hundreds of billions for Iraq, the trillions in Social Security deposits he's handing to Wall Street... Oh, wait, you were too busy Bush worshipping to let a simple thing like *every fact about Bush's budgets* get in your way. It's your money, buddy - why don't you care that Bush is stealing it for his friends, by conning your sympathy?
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There is a whole lot of news out there - do you think the media is responsible to report every bit of it? Maybe if a person read every newspaper, magazine, news website and watched every tv news in a given day they might be able to get a good portion of world events but highly unlikely - and unrealistic with time frames. The media is not responsible to post everything that happens. To blame them and call them irresponsible is, quite frankly, irresponsible of you.
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I like how you refer to my expression of opinion as a "troll" and then get modded that way yourself for expressing yours. I believe the term "just desserts" is appropriate.
You've obviously discredited yourself, on that logic, because you replied 2 hours later to his own correction 2 minutes later, on a simple mistake. Not even the "math mistake" you're whining about - he overstated Bush's request to $5B, rather than its $1B. I don't expect them to live by your rules, nor myself - but I expect *you* too. So I expect that your logic is self-serving, and changes the premises to suit your conclusions. Why should we take you seriously?
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I'm not a Bush worshiper. I didn't vote for him, either election, and think his policies are too heavy-handed in many cases.
The Executive Branch -- Bush -- doesn't fund squat, Congress does. The $950 million wasn't even a pledge but rather a request to Congress.
Finally, it BETTER damn well not be all paid thru right now. Those pledges from Nations were for the LONG TERM. In many cases, over a period of a COUPLE YEARS. This was done on purpose not only to spread out the cost impact, but to make sure the money is better managed and not just splurged on crap and in a year, 90% of those affected didn't see any benefit.
Of course, there is nothing to say this won't happen anyway...
EVERY President tries to steer funds to their buds. It is the nature of politics. Hell, compared to some term-limitless Senators and Congressman (Robert Byrd of WV comes to mind), Bush is a rank amatuer!
Do I like it? No. But I'm also realistic about it.
Just out of curiosity, whom other than Haliburton actually has experience in the type of reconstruction going on in Iraq? Whom would you rather see the money going to?
If you think graft, cronyism and corruption is bad in the U.S., you need to get out more. The U.S. is a playpen compared to Asia, Africa and Latin America.
Bush, like EVERY President, promises big money. But Congress is the one that actually holds the purse strings.
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Just to note, $190 US currency goes a lot farther in other countries then it does in the US. My mom and her fiancee were in S. Africa on a safari trip. They got friendly with the guide and ended up finding out that for $100 US dollars he could finish building his home (small yes, but still). My parents gave him $200. What can one do here for $100? Stay at a cheap motel for a week? In SE Asia that $100 is a LOT of money.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'd start by removing troops from both Korea and Germany, and then cutting all third world aid.
immagine what Germany would say if we closed our base (which dumps uncounted dollars into their economy).
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Probably about equal to the distance between "tunnel vision" and "it's a big world out there."
Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.
"One of the biggest problems with the relief efforts is actually the UN."
From that screed from a pseudonymous Navy officer annoyed at his humanitarian mission, you get the *UN* is one of the biggest problems? Because of one snide comment about paper plates (without knowing the real context) and another about paying for workers' meals from some random staff? The "dreaded" UN vest comment, the "trifling do-gooders" (from a trained killer on his warship), the "Dan Rather / America-hater" idea... this guy has drunk the right-wing koolaid, and everything he says serves his buzzword agenda. But even his particular bent doesn't add up to "UN is among the biggest problems". You made that one up yourself. Bad enough that you're chiming in with Bush's fake pledges (he hasn't paid even the first $350M pledge). But you're trumping this whole travesty into an unjustified attack on the UN. Nice try.
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Bush's Republican buddies hold the purse strings in Congress. And Bush holds the power to create the budgets, and push his agenda. Congress can stand in the way, but only to get their other priorities. I do know that corruption is bad in the US. And I've been to Asia, Africa and Latin America - and Europe - where it is often worse, though not possibly more expensive. Especially to me, personally, and in my name, and in my democracy. So I don't have any reason to compare to them. Except perhaps in Indonesia, where our tsunami relief is funding our client government to probably finalize its suppression of the Aceh people who stand in Exxon's way as it plunders their countryside for natural gas.
As for Halliburton, the Iraqis have that kind of experience. They built that country themselves. And the Saudis, too, though I trust them less than even Halliburton - they funnel money directly to bin Laden, especially through his brother's construction company. Not to mention that Halliburton has been paid billions for reconstruction that hasn't been executed, nor will it. We could have had a $15B jobs training program for ghettoes all over Arabia, turning out a corps of people with a vested interest in building modern societies, rather than blowing them up in anger. Courtesy of Uncle Sam, as constantly reminded from every billboard. Instead, we've got a pure illustration of America destroying a country to get paid to rebuild it, without accountability.
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That $190 has to be spent on an area where the infrastructure, including drinking water, has been wiped out. In a regular year, $190 would pay for someone to live for 2 months - without the total scarcity of food, shelter, water, medicine and other necessities driving up the costs. A couple of weeks from now, two months will have passed. And 2/3 of that $190 hasn't even been pledged yet. Even of the $350M pledged, only something like $100M has been paid. And there are, of course, many places other than Indonesia across which that money has to be spread. Consider the condition of places like this, like Africa (where I've been, as well as Indonesia), when they're just normally impoverished, and how much worse it must be now that this catastrophe has occurred. It's going to take a lot more than $190 per person to get through this.
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What country writes a check to Mercy Corp, Oxfam, or Doctors without borders? None. Do any of the these fine organizations have a two thousand bed hospital ship? A few dozen heavy lift helicopters with support ship and crews? Frankly you comment is just dumb. Those NGO are NGOs for goodness sakes they are supposed to get funding from private individuals not from governments. If they where funded by Governments they would be GOs. When a Government spends money it has to be accounted for. None of the NGOs would want that kind of over site because it would take away there freedom and massively increase the accounting overhead.
Nice little anti US jab at the end. Right up their with if we can send a man to the moon why can't we..[feed the hungry, save the whales, cure the common cold]
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Um, they basically took over a US ship for their own use! Instead of using the ship for relief operations, it must now also provide a hotel for the UN people. Helicopters and cargo planes that could be used to airlift supplies are now being used to ferry around UN staff.
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There was a very famous "indigenous company" funded in this form. Became wildly successfull on efficiency however as their economy spurred their goals changed. Maybe you've heard of them, they go by the name of Al Qaeda.
Making sure the resources go where you want is very important.
Roughly the same number of people have died in Iraq (+-50%) -- Thing about Iraq is that it is a man-made tragedy (and reasonably predictable), it has occured much more slowly and we don't have thousands of rich people who like to vacation there.
Not that I want any less help to go to the Indian Ocean, but if the US had put as much work into the first few weeks of recovering Iraq as they did into the first few weeks of the Tsunami relief, chances are that they'd be doing a lot less bomb-dodging right now.
(Not quite fully off-topic. More like tangental).
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The fact is, a free market economy isn't very good at providing news because it caters to the whims of the consumer. We have to demand coverage and accuracy. So you're telling me that demanding more from our news services is irresponsilbe? I'm sorry, that's just totally fucked.
No that's an excellent case in point. We hired them to fight a war against a superpower, and of course when the job was finished in our eyes, they simply carried on.
I presume we wouldn't have the any problem with companies continuing to build shelters, distribute food, or provide medical services once the crisis had past.
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No, they took over a couple of bedrooms and seats at a dining table. Hardly an entire ship. The helicopters are used for their occasional benefit by the ship's commanders, hoping to get publicity. Which certainly would help - US military images are no credit to us these days. And the UN workers are a tiny fraction of the gaggle of relief workers described in that story. All of whom are supposed to be working together to help the people in that country. Offering shelter and food to the relief workers seems an exemplary role for the US ship; I'm proud my military is playing it. While you so despise the UN, whose workers spend years in nothing but those squalid, desperate conditions, that you exaggerate one pseudonymous, unnacountable critic into an disproportionate attack on the UN as a whole. You'll stop at nothing to further your propaganda agenda.
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A comprehensive tsunami warning system needs to be maintained
True, it needs to be maintained. But see this link describing the total cost of a *worldwide* system as $30 million. Even if you have to replace the thing every 50 years (and you don't, the Hawaiian system is that old and still working with minor maintenance) it's DIRT CHEAP compared to the $1B the USA Federal government is sending in disaster relief.
Naw I wasn't trying to create a flamebait. I was simply trying to figure out why it is that the American Media was such a short attention span for things that should be of bigger concern. I would rather help starving people in India over killing people in the Middle East. Ya I guess thats flamebait. I hope this follow up doesn't qualify...
No thats bullshit. He only does that because hes under pressure. How much was his original donation? Even if he did why the hell is it not anywhere where I can find it? MSNBC, CNN, here... I don't see this article and if it didn't happen they obviously didn't cover it. We aren't talking about what Bush is doing, we are talking about what the american media is doing and its not covering things that matter to me and if my post was flamebait I'm proud to be producing flames!
Such emotion. Wear the mod as a badge of honor against group think!
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I tried to have a discussion with you previously (diffent article altogether) and you attempted to turn things around playing silly games and twisted context. (Nicely done too by the way, props!)
Personally I do not think your a troll. A little too pompous and arrogant for my taste but I do find you entertaining to watch regardless, specifically your debating style. Creepy - does this constitute a
A quick note: I obviously did not mod you or otherwise the moderations would have been deleted responding to your post, so please do not attempt to go down that road with me. Think of this as an abrasive compliment; without foul language.
To try to be somewhat on topic with your previous post: No, I don't think outdated textbooks are a good idea, especially if the material dates quickly. Shame that some domestic needs take backseat to foreign policy needs that often seem ungrateful about the actions anyway. But what do I know, I think water is wet...::shrugs::
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Oh definitely. I don't disagree with the cost, it's just that there also needs to be a human infrastructure in place that will get the warning out to the important places. That infrastructure will not be maintained for the necessary time in this case, as people need to be continuously educated on what needs to be done when a tsunami hits. As we're talking about a timespan of several generations here, the final maintainers of the system and the entire population will only have a faint memory of the tsunami that wiped out their great-grandparent's neighbours. Then suddenly the system starts beeping (after possibly a couple of false alarms in the distant past). What will people do? Go out to lunch.
as people need to be continuously educated on what needs to be done when a tsunami hit
How hard is it to remember 'RUN AWAY!'?
After possibly a couple of false alarms
The Hawaiian system has yet to go off falsely. And what to do when it ever does go off is part of the public school curriculum through all 12 grades as well as what happened to cause it to be needed in the first place. Hardly forgettable, go to lunch material.
and also think of all the services, where money is not being accounted for. As an example - the military is probably dropping a lot of food off - and I am willing to bet the money being donated does not include the costs of the military.
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Genocide? The tsunami event fails to meet the criteria of being considered genocide.
The fact is - a free market economy is very good at providing news - there are SO many news venues. So maybe the 11 o'clock news doesn't give the latest update in the tsunami, but maybe the 6 o'clock, or the 7(am) o'clock, or cnn, or some newspaper, or some news website is.
If you don't think a free market economy news organization is working - do you think it should be a socialist based news group? Say like the ones the Russians had? Or the one Iraq had?
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troll this you dumbfuck
Can't make a comment anymore without being called a troll or flamebait because someone doesn't agree with it.
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First of all, I was talking about Darfour, not the tsunami.
Sencond: hey free-market fanboy, the opposite of free-market doesn't have to be socialist. Have you ever noticed the government monopoly on road construction and maintenance? Holy shit! Call out the guns! Communism must be taking over!
Maybe it's because free-market road construction would only pave roads where money could be had paving roads. Now do you get it? I'm trying to point your nimble little brain into seeing why free-market news fails to provide complete news coverage.
Hold on let me get to your level "I'm rubber your glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."
Asshole.
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