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Chess Master Kasparov To Retire
fembots writes "Former world champion Gary Kasparov has announced that he is to retire from competitive chess. The chess grandmaster, a leading critic of Mr. Putin, heads a group of top Russian liberals who have joined forces to keep Vladimir Putin from staying in the Kremlin after 2008."
That's okay, because Kasparov 2.0 is coming out and it's gonna whip IBM's hairy blue ass.
Table-ized A.I.
Damn, I guess now Deep Blue will need to find a new friend to play with?
I think, therefore I am. I think?
a sad day indeed, what more can be said...
and to be replaced by a Computer.
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"Liberal" here refers to the classical liberals opposing monarchies and arbitrary power. Not the socialist version of the word "liberal" we have in the US.
He had first planned his retirement at age 8, the man can plan ahead I tells ya.
With brains like that against them the russian mob doesn't stand a chance
We thought we were getting the mob out of power here in Ukraine recently, turned out we were putting a new one in.
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I hope you succeed in your plans, Putin is bad news.
What an interesting match we are going to witness:
The "Chess master" vs. "the KGB master"
For Russian politics.
As a politician Kasparov is far from good.
All those sports injuries from playing chess has forced Kasparov to retire.
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Since DeepBlue was meant to soley process chess moves, maybe Putin will commission a machine to solely analyze Kasparov's organizational skills. I mean, c'mon, the last IBM special design machine beat his ass...why not another one?
Yet another example of man vs. machine. Maybe they should design one that a 17 year old girl can't beat up, though.
Read the only personal Runyon page out there.
I would inform the russian voters that Kasparov believes that classical antiquity was made up during the renaissance: www.world-mysteries.com/garrykasparov.htm
If his main point is to retire to promote his politics and ensure a head of state does not get re-elected (as the linked, BBC news blurb suggests), shouldn't he realize, just by looking at last year's U.S. elections, that a dissenting, political group spearheaded by a celebrity is a big fucking waste of time.
I mean, this dude only played chess. He never did stand up comedy or married Susan Sarandon. Come on Gary, at least make a documentary where Putin plays Chess instead of going after terrorists.
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Here is a link to a more lengthy article with more information, including a video clip. Seems Kasparov, despite still having the best rating in the world, is retiring out of frustration with the FIDE. He's going to write a few books, including How Life Imitates Chess, in addition to politics.
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I saw it on chessbase first : Can anyone torrent this and mirror please ? http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=225 8
Reading this, it seems to me that he simply burnt out. Frustrated by the lack of any concrete plans for a unified world championship. After all, the man has been the greatest for an unprecendented duration in modern chess. As he says, what else is left for him to do in chess ?
He always has been good at killing kings.
It's tragic. Laugh.
Yes, he's just resting but yet he has the top rating in the chess and many consider him as the greatest player in the world. He is in a good shape and although he has lost his last game in the Linares tournament, but has won the tournament.
Chess like any other game/sport needs sponsors, fans and supporters and Kasparov has been a great name attracting many. His mere presense in a tournament would mean big support and big moneys for Chess. Other active Grandmasters, though not very far from him in theory, could not yet attract so much publicity, support and money to Chess. So I think to the Chess world, his retirement is a very sad news.
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Even though Kasparov was no longer the official
world chess champion lately, he was most
certainly still the best chess player of
his generation. His ELO rating was well above
any other players. He also proved again
that he was still the best by winning today,
the day of his retirement, the prestigious
Linares chess tournament. The world champion
is last in this tournament by the way. This
is a sorry situation for FIDE (Federation
Internationale Des Echecs). Being a world
chess champion does not mean anything anymore.
We'll miss you Garry. I hope you find the
time to perfect "My Great Predecessors"
book series.
Just another patzer.
Once you become a grand master at chess, does it help or hurt your chances with women when you tell them?
I actually played Kasparov along with about 20 others at the same time as part of a school chess program. Smart man. He beat us all, of course. Best wishes for the future.
garble
see The View of Garry Kasparov
Everything you've been told is a lie. 1,000 years of "history" were invented.
see The View of Garry Kasparov Everything you've been told is a lie. 1,000 years of "history" were invented.
I have always admired Gary Kasparov and the things he has done for the chess world, I never really enjoyed playing through someone's else games until I saw his.
There was a time I really wanted to be a great chess player. I would go to bed at night and stay up thinking of moves from games I had played earlier in the day. It would frustrate me to see so clearly what I should have done in certain situations, and aggravate me that things became so obvious after the fact. Sometimes I would go to sleep and dream of games that never even happened, and was really having trouble with the role the game was playing in my life.
Found a book of translated interviews with grandmasters at a used bookstore and it straightened me out. Rosendo Balinas was a prude and never struck me as a real human being. Bobby Fisher was just indominatable and I had trouble relating to him. Kasparov, on the other hand, was kind of a playboy. He had real interests outside the game and saw the relation between what he was doing on the table and what political organizations did throughout the world. He talked about the 'chessbrain' syndrome and how he learned to turn it on to new things.
Long story short: I read about Kasparov, studied Kasparov, tried to walk and talk like Kasparov. Doing so helped me become an easier person to be around. Eventually got laid, had a kid, took an interest in things outside chess.
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The difference is that the celebrities over here were wrong. The country ignored them because they came off as the loony delusional rant monkeys they are.
I don't know if Kasparov will be able to affect the future of his country, but comparing him to the Micheal Moore crowd over here and telling him to give up is just plain irrational, especially if he is a classical liberal (as opposed to the marxist variety the US is afflicted with).
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"Not all missions can be solved with chess, Deep Blue. Someday you'll understand that."
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How can he play at any level lower than pro? Won't that be boring when he's still dominates the game? We all like a little rest and relaxation but I only give him 2 years before he's back to pro tournament play.
Kasparove has long been a very well known and influential figure in Sowjet/Russian politics. In the sowjet area he was one of the best known critics of the system and a champion of democracy, so he already has political standing. (Btw., him being opposed to the system and Karpov very much being part of the system was one of the things that really spiced up all of their duells then.)
Now on to Putin. It's not only about Putin getting reelected, but about Puting changing the constitution/breaking the law to be able to get reelected. Like in the US the President can only be reelected so many times and Mr. Puting will not be allowed to run again in the next election. However, there are many that fear that Putin will somehow find a way to circumvent this "little inconvenience" and run nevertheless, or at least find an other way to stay in control.
This would very clearly deal the deathblow to what is left of democracy in Russia nowadays and fighting against this happening certainly is a noble cause and should be commended.
Finally, not that I'm really a good chess player, but it is sad to see a giant like Kasparove step down. He will be missed by everyone interested in chess I'm sure.
But to be a little more serious, from reading the Committee 2008 website, it sounds like Kasparov is a very sane guy with noble goals, and a willingness to put his ass on the line to achieve those goals, whereas Fischer is a few pieces short of a chess set and his goals are repugnant.
I'm curious to see if Kasparov will continue to be involved with Advanced Chess, a new form of chess which he introduced. Basically, in it a human and computer program compete as a team against other human-computer teams. This symbiosis is much stronger than either member alone, as humans and computers are better at different aspects of chess. It's thought that Advanced Chess tournaments may help further human-computer interaction.
The current liberal is very against monarchies and arbitrary power. Sadly, arbitary powers happen to be in control of the USA, which explains why Putin is getting by with this shit. True Republicans and all Democrats are up in arm at the slow theft that is going on. Only the neo-cons seem to not care.
[to the tune of 'One Night in Bangkok' chorus]
Retire to Moscow and the world's your chessboard
He's in the Kremlin and he's got the key
Like Dennis Moore dum dum da dee da dessboard
It's more than lupines, it's for liberty
You can ride the horsey to king's-bishop-3!
With his retirement, he's delivered the final blow to the unification plan. The only way a new champion would've gotten credibility was by defeating Kasparov. Now that he's out, I'm sure there's going to be another mess around the championship cycle. But it's understandable he got fed up with FIDE, and called it quits.
Anyway, he ended his career with a bang, winning in Linares. Too bad it's over, I'm sure he could've had a much longer career than Korchnoi.
I just wonder, who the candidates for WCH are now...Anand, Kramnik, Leko? Topalov sure want his share now, that he's tied with Kasparov at Linares.
I hear he's holding out for a package deal with ESPN and EA sports. He wants to be the Tony Hawk of Chess.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
It's important to note that Russia's Constitution places a limit of two consecutive terms on the presidency, which means Putin cannot be re-elected in 2008 unless the Constitution is changed. Of course, in 2003 he was granted authority to amend the Constitution, so he could now write himself into a third consecutive term. Putin has denied any intention to make such changes, but the possibility is still very real.
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... and then they built the supercollider.
I mean, I know this country is afflicted, I just didn't realize I was subpoenoed to appear in front of McCrathy's ghost already.... Oh, wait, a letter... From the White House! I mean, it's got the logo and everything! I'm so excited to open it... [ knock knock ]
"Thank you. Please spellcheck your genitalia references though.
...why is Gary Kasparov, an Armenian brought up in Baku, Azerbaijan and originally called Garri Kimovich Wainshteinborn, getting involved in Russian politics?
http://www.answers.com/topic/garry-kasparov
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Arbitrary speculation: He was just pissed that he lost against Topalov in the last round (and in a most embarassing manner too, he hardly put up a fight, but headed straight for a lost pawn ending).
I myself would certainly NOT say that socialism is the prevailing dogma in the UK; maybe the UK has more social welfare programs than the US (I can't claim to know the details all that intimately), but the ideology is far from socialist. I honestly can't buy the idea that the UK is traditionally and dogmatically socialist. I . . . I really just don't know how to argue this. If you really believe that, what can I say? How do I point out the strong capitalist nature, the fact that business is not staunchly centrally controlled, that the idea of "too each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities" is FAR from the orthodox attitude? If you can't see those things already, if you think that the UK is socialist, how could I possibly convince you? The UK is far from the ideal of a workers paradise, far from being a land of equal standing and community-run society (as opposed to Bourgeois-run, as a marxist would argue that the UK and the western world in general is at the moment, what with being controlled by business as it is . . . surely you must have noticed it, all those big corporations in places like, oh, the UK).
It's as if you were steadfastly declaring the sky to be naturally bright orange. I don't know where it comes from, this ignorance of the evidence that I would expect to be infront of your eyes. Are you thrown off by the name of the party currently in power, and you're taking it literally? Are you so staunchly right-wing that any place that doesn't go "Capitalism, Capitalism, rah rah rah!" 24/7 is socialist? (and even then you'd be misled, since I wouldn't say that the UK is all that much less into capitalism than the States).
Sorry if I seem to be making assumptions about you, but honestly . . . where the hell does your assertion that "In the UK, socialism is the prevailing dogma and the traditional, orthodox attitude" come from? That just sounds so ludicrous to me.
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
"I will continue to play chess because it is a lot of fun, but no longer on a professional level," he said.
Like he's going to find any "normal" people to play more than once...
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I had no idea he was so politically active. Good luck to him.
If you had super powers, would you use them for good, or for awesome?
Does that mean we'll see him at the mall playing other old men with those large plastic chess pieces?
The guy's name is Garry not Gary.
Granted, Kasparav does strike me as a bit arrogant, but he gave Deep Blue rematch after rematch after rematch until it finally won. At which point, IBM immediately retires the machine. Again, granted, Kasparov was a less than gracious loser. Still, in the name of good sportsmanship, I think they owed him one rematch. You can't tell me such a rematch would not have drawn publicity, I mean "Man Vs. Machine - and this time *we're* the underdog". Heck, Budweiser would even sponsor that one.
I don't know, Kasparov may have whined a little about losing, but IBM could have handled it better in my opinion.
A goal is a dream with a deadline
I seem to remember it's the Republican Party that's continuously nominating and elect actors, not the Democratic Party.
Wasn't that Ron Silver I saw speaking at the GOP convention, too?
I've always been amazed at the inability of really smart people to realize certain simple truths. Specifically, when a person is really good at something, and are generally very smart, they have the hardest time comprehending that their competence in one field rarely translates into competence in an unrelated field.
:-D. Also, their legendary inability to find a girlfriend says something about their "competence" in society.
As an example, you can have a very smart mathematician who believes that by virtue of his achievements in math, he is therefore competent to discuss French poetry from the Middle Ages. News flash: unless he really has studied that (somewhat arcane) field, his opinion isn't worth shit, regardless of how great a mathematician he is. What's worse, is that extreme competence in one field is often incompatible even with normal life's "common sense". Thus, said mathematician may not even be very functional as a general human being in society. Another example - consider the average slashdotter - generally quite intelligent, and (usually) technically competent. However, you would not arrive at that fact by reading many of their posts
With all due respect to Gary Kasparov as a chess master, and the regret over his retirement, I see it as troubling that he seems to have decided to go into politics. I'm not sure what it is about famous people, but sometimes their political opinions are naive verging on pathological (e.g. Britney Spears's avowed devotion to Mr. Bush, and her encouragement that people should "just trust the President"). I do sincerely hope that Kasparov's political views won't be quite as bad as that, but given the trend of his opinions that other posts have alluded to, it seems a vain hope.
There were some other cases where famous Russian intellectuals (I don't want to say celebrities, most people haven't heard of them) have spearheaded efforts to oust Putin. Usually, such actions have only caused bewilderment and disappointment to the people who once admired them (as an example, for those in the know, Bulat Okudzhava, toward the end of his life, joined a group of liberal thinkers that have decried the "atrocities" of Putin. This was a man highly respected in the bard movement of the 70's and 80's. His support for this group was seen as a sign of senility, and was rather tragic to those who loved and respected him and his work). My fear is that Kasparov will do something similar - this would be far too sad.
As you may gather, I am not one of the people that unilaterally bashes Putin over everything. To those of you who do, please do consider the political ramifications of trying to run a country that is
1) Going through a period of waking up from being a world superpower to the realization that they are a poor, troubled third world country
2) That has *no* history of democratic thought (first the Czars, then Lenin's crowd)
3) That is still seen by much of the world as a huge threat, and some of those members of the world would not be above a few not-so-subtle provocations to make life even more difficult
4) Finally, recovering from a 10 year long period of systematic pillaging of the country by less-than-scrupulous er...shall we say individuals, political and otherwise, whose sole goal was to take/steal as much money as possible while the getting was good. By the way, those were the same people who were thought to be very "liberal" and democractic. When they got caught with their hands in the till, they cried out "oh no, repression! Totalitarianism! How could you!", etc..
Oh, and to those of you who keep going on and on about how Putin was in the KGB, here's a thought: Putin was a field agent for the KGB. His involvement in this was revealed after he took a fall (it is speculated he was ordered to do so to protect another agent). On this side of the Atlantic, President Bush (father) was head of the CIA in the late 70's. I don't recall anyone bashing him over his association with the int
Often (not always) in the US, liberal means throwing money around - handouts. i.e. more liberal spending. That means more government involvement in things. You use a euphemism "progressive reform" where progressive means "progressive increase in government" and "reform" simply means change. Almost every action the government takes can be labled "reform". Government paying for stuff has another name "socialism".
I feel really lucky I had the chance to see the Garry Kasparov era. He is undoubtely the best chessplayer ever. The only debate is who comes in second place in the all-time list after him.
I heard that Kasparov is retiring so that he fully dedicate his time to Magic: The Gathering...there's more money in it.
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Where men are still men, and computers still suck...
Perhaps it would help if the aforementioned schools of thought would put together an outline of their significant differences....for instance, how long after establishment do you start rounding up people and killing them off by the millions or tens of millions? Do you set up labor camps or merely execute dissidents? Stuff like that.
What makes them "liberals"? Because they oppose a KGB chief, oil-industry corporate tyrant? But Putin's not from Texas!
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Remember that Garry is friendly with Microsoft (remember Kasparov vs the World). Allofmp3.com might not last too long if he takes over!
I wonder if he is able to comprehend the difference between chess (a pure zero-sum game) and politics (a twisted maze of generally non-zero-sum games). The zero-sum mentality seems to possess many here in Russia.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
This is a bit off-topic, but has anybody noticed that in the last few major competitions between top human grandmasters and chess AI machines (I recall one with Kramnik, and one with Kasparov), the matches turn out a tie? And usually the machine wins the first half of the games, with the human winning the final half? Maybe there is an interest to see how the public reacts to evidence of superior artificial intelligence, and how sensitive the public is to recognizing its existence.
I have the sneaky suspicion that classified AI has focused on chess as a research sandbox, and that the official line that "it's too simple and too specialized to be of general interest to AI research anymore" is intended to keep the real research secret.
Matches between machines and top humans may be secretly being used in the research to test what the AI is currently capable of. Kasparov, in his first match with Deep Blue, commented that some of the machines moves did not seem machine-like, from his experience with other chess AI's.
Pure speculation with almost no evidence to back it up, I know. But the claim that strategy games like chess is of no interest to AI research has seemed fishy to me for some time, and it is also clear that non-classified AI research is being suppressed -- like cold fusion research. I am certain the classified research is beign persued at maximum speed.
Evidence public AI is being suppressed -- in about 2000 a private company in Israel sponsored a public AI contest, in which entrants were to write programs that would play arbitrary board strategy games in which the rules were part of the input -- i.e. these were to be general purpose board strategy game programs. The contest would have the programs compete, prize some money and a trip to Israel to visit the company. The company abruptly went BANKRUPT, ending the contest. Yes, I know there are obvious alternate explanations for that. Still interesting.
...Mr Kasparov will be retiring to spend more time with his wife and children. They will reside at Mr. Kasparov's beautiful new dascha in Eastern Russia, near the border of Outer Mongolia. The residence has been thoughtfully provided by the Putin government...
It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
Just look at Ross Perot.
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Just because you're nutty as a fruitcake doesn't mean you're crazy!
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Isn't that an oxymoron? (With an emphasis on the MORON)
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How appopriate that it be modded down for a troll. Just smacking another trolling shithead upside his dumbass head. "OMG I LEIK FAKE MAH DEF & NOW I TELL SLASHDOT BOUT IT LOL SO COOL" Fuck you. Fuck you.
In Soviet Russia, Kasparov plays you! Er, well, he used to anyways.
Grandmasters will study the games their opponents have played beforehand. IBM steadfastly refused to show Kasparov the games that Deep Blue had been trained on.
Yip! That's how I remember it also. And as another poster pointed out, Kas's team suspected that blue's programming was tinkered with between plays.
But Kas played a European software company a few years later, and it tied, and also tied his predessor IIRC. Thus, it seems pretty clear that the age of computer chess is here with or without Deep Blue. The human level is not going to change much, but the computers will get better algorithms and more speed (deeper searches) over time. Thus, it ain't worth fussin' over Deep Blue's alleged mild cheating anymore. Kas made money off the deal anyhow. He lost face, but gained a fatter wallet.
Table-ized A.I.
Yeah, dude, he's Armenian!
So what, according to you, means to be a Russian? No, rationality DEFINITELY doesn't belong in Russia, where even tonsils are taken out through the ass, as the saying goes.
And not everyone here thinks the way you do, if we talk about the same Russia.
Aren't you tired, by the way, of bringing up CIA everywhere? After all, it's Churchill who devised it all in 1918 (if you know the song I mean)...
I'm going to invent a drinking game to go with that post.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Funny how slashdot always has posts on (non-computer) chess, computer chess, and computer go. I don't recall ever seeing an article about go that didn't involve computers, though.
I wonder why...
... Garry Kasparov, meet Jimmy Hoffa.
YOu guys in the US really need to revisit books about political sciences.
Honestly, you have no idea what a real socialist stands for.
To cut it short for you, no US politician I have heard of ever can be called a Socialist.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You must be crazy.
Politicians are far too dangerous people to be left unchecked to their own devices.
It is welcome that anybody, including famous people, get involved in politics.
In an era where most people do not care about politics it should be encouraging that somebody with such narrow field of expertise (now pray tell us, who does not have a narrow field of expertise in this world? Is that not stating the fucking oibvious?) actually cares, in a place that people are thrown out in jail at the whim ot this person you try to justify so warmly.
Kasparov is a brave man for questioning Mr Putin, who obivously has no idea nor interest about the promotion of democracy.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
of his getting a job in the Bush Administration or the Republican National Committee/
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