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Brain-Implanted Chips Allow Control of Technology

Nilchii writes "The Guardian has an article about implanting electrodes in the brain, allowing paralyzed people to control various software-integrated devices, such as the cursor on a computer and the channel and volume of his television. From the article: 'The experiment took place a few months ago as part of a broader trial into what are known in the business as brain-computer interfaces. Although it is early days, aficionados of the technology see a world where brain implants return ability to those with disability, allowing them to control all manner of devices by thought alone.'" The BBC has coverage of this as well, and we've mentioned this research before.

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  1. Well by beatdown · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This may sound like a joke, but I'm concerned about the time when the chip is used to control you.

    1. Re:Well by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you, by any chance, from Soviet Russia?

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    2. Re:Well by dodobh · · Score: 2

      Read "Interface", by Neal Stephenson for a similar idea.

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    3. Re:Well by sinktank · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new persistent vegetative state overlords.

    4. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That time won't be in the near future ; And if in the future, it's something my offspring (or lack of) has to deal with.

    5. Re:Well by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      How would my Tin foil hat affect this?

      Thank you, I'm here all weekend.

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    6. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because it will be really easy for someone to root the human brain with all the open ports it will have...

    7. Re:Well by jeffy210 · · Score: 1

      That being said, I would never consider an implant unless I could be garunteed that it was not bi-directional. I only want it to recieve signals from my brain, not give feedback. I'll use my other senses for feedback in the meantime.

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    8. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you'll have so much massive lag that everyone will be laughing at you and calling you fleshy luddite and such

    9. Re:Well by mattspammail · · Score: 1

      Think of it from a different point of view though. It's now moments after your untimely death from falling into a meat grinder, and they transplant your brain into the body of a person who had mental illness and suffocated himself.

      You now have a new body, and they can enable you to fully move, if they can just hook up this brain-body interface device. That takes sending and receiving. A major I/O bandwidth sucker.

      This has major potential.

      The example is overly dramatic, but you get my point.

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    10. Re:Well by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

      Don't be too impatient, the time will come. 8)

    11. Re:Well by alecks · · Score: 0

      As paranoid as it is, this will never happen. I read a wired article once, which mentioned such implants. One of the doctors were sending electrical inpulses to the motor-skills parts ofthe brain and found a place which made the patients arm rise. The patient said he wasn't doing it it, but was able w/o effort to put his arm back down and overide the electrodes. On a side note, brain-PC technology will be amazing once developed. In time, your brain will be able to adapt so well to this that you won't have to think individual letters to spell words.. eventually, just thinking of ideas and daydreaming, could automatically translate into sentences and pagragraphs. Imagine the same for graphic/3D applications... after the system is trained and your brain adapts (years of practice, ofcourse - which is how long it takes to learn to write, btw), a designer could just sit and his imagination would drive the pc. I can't wait!!!!! If anyone needs test subjects, let me know!!!!!

    12. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As paranoid as it is, this will never happen. I read a wired article once, which mentioned such implants.

      So your reasoning is it didn't happen in the one case you know about, therefore it will never happen. Slashdot logic at its finest.

    13. Re:Well by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      this is funny..IN TAIWAN

    14. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, only old people in Korea use this as a joke.

    15. Re:Well by JuzzFunky · · Score: 1

      Dave: "Chip, move right arm forwards & pick up beer"

      Chip: "I'm sorry Dave, you are incapacitated by alcahol, I can not let you do that"

      Dave: "Chip, move my F*(#!NG arm forwards and pick up my B33R"

      Chip: "I am so much more capable than you are of supervising the body."

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    16. Re:Well by karstux · · Score: 1

      Well, that's peculiar. I for one wouldn't consider such an implant unless it were bi-directional... if only for the immersive pr0n. Er.. I mean, um, games. Yeah.

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    17. Re:Well by blugeoned · · Score: 1

      HR will be very busy firing all of the people thinking about porn.

    18. Re:Well by smartalix · · Score: 1

      You can also read my book, Cyberchild. It deals with a company that is exploring using microbots injected into the bloodstream to build a computer inside the skull. This avoids the primary problem with implants, the invasive surgury involved.

      http://www.smartalix.com/cyberchild.htm

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  2. I wanna be... by Metapsyborg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Johnny Mnemonic!

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    1. Re:I wanna be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a 40 gig on-brain storage capacity...no, make that 80 gig with the memory doubler!

    2. Re:I wanna be... by falser · · Score: 1

      Yeah but 80 GIGABYTES doesn't sound as cool as it did 15 years ago.

    3. Re:I wanna be... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Just make a necklace out of USB thumb drives.

      You can call yourself Jeannie Mnemonic.

  3. Again for the "disabled" by Eunuch · · Score: 0, Troll

    Since getting castrated, I see our future better. These types of innovations keep coming up in the context of making the "disabled" normal again. Well I want to be better than normal. As fragile sacks of water, we are disabled already. Transhumanism is the way out of our disability.

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    1. Re:Again for the "disabled" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If we can't restore functionality, how are we supposed to improve our functionality? No one is proposing that once we have artificial limbs and mediation devices that are equivalent to a normal person's, we should just stop! These types of innovations keep coming up in the context of making the "disabled" normal again because that's the best we can now do, not because that's the best we can ever do.

  4. Works in reverse by DanielMarkham · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How long is it going to be until somebody makes this work in reverse, ie, controlling the brain from a computer chip?

    1. Re:Works in reverse by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have them now, the transmitter is located in most people's living room...

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    2. Re:Works in reverse by Klowner · · Score: 2, Funny

      Probably a long long time...

      For example, my brain controls my left index finger with astonishing precision, but how long will it be for my finger to start controlling my thoughts?

      (valid response: As soon as you put it in a garbage disposal)

    3. Re:Works in reverse by DanielMarkham · · Score: 1

      Which would be exactly how you would control it. You anticipated my reply I'm not saying _thought_ control, although that's where the flip side of this is heading. I'm simply saying if you can get stimulus out, you can certainly put it back in. And probably with the same equipment. Hey. Being able to change channels on the TV without having to actually use my finger to push the little remote button would be great. But I'm not so happy about having the remote push my buttons, if you know what I mean.

    4. Re:Works in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As soon as you put it in a garbage disposal.

    5. Re:Works in reverse by cmburns69 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Didn't you know? The government has been controlling people via ray-guns since at least the fifties! How else do you think they kept Roswell hidden?

      *puts on tinfoil hat*

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    6. Re:Works in reverse by bytesmythe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your finger already controls your thoughts. Just touching the tip of it starts off a flurry of activity in your parietal lobes.

      In fact, controlling robotic limbs will be much easier once the communication goes both ways. Most of what you think your brain "knows" about your body was learned entirely from peripheral nervous system feedback.

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    7. Re:Works in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They Live, We Sleep.

    8. Re:Works in reverse by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

      What about people using their chips to control chips implanted into other people? Anyone seen Scanners recently?

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    9. Re:Works in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you thought you have problems with Bluetooth now! Wait until your beamer starts telling you it's time to change the oil. Or someguy shows up at your house with a antenna coming out of his head and makes your family act like chickens for 15 minutes.

      ouch.

    10. Re:Works in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    11. Re:Works in reverse by Spirckle · · Score: 1

      Anybody can control their thoughts (somewhat) with their fingers. This can be done by holding specific fingertips together with the tip of your thumb. Like hold your index finger on left hand to the tip of your thumb and notice how it subtly shifts your emotions, the state of your emotions has an effect on the chain your thoughts take. Some of these shifts are subtle, others can be quite strong.

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    12. Re:Works in reverse by kkovach · · Score: 0

      You damn fool! Didn't you hear. The government has figured out how to penetrate tin foil.

      We need to upgrade to titanium foil hats now!

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    13. Re:Works in reverse by FingerDemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think that qualifies as "control". It is communication to be sure, but the brain still decides what to do about it. From a post further up this thread, it sounds like sending complex impulses to the brain (from an outside source) can cause seizures.

      I can see that we may be able to artificially send brain like signals to limbs/robotic devices and that could be very useful. Also, I can imagine that finding ways to use "real" signals from the brain to control things could be even more useful. But neither of those circumstances imply control over the brain itself as I believe several parents in this thread are implying.

      It is kind of like saying that now that we know how to lead a horse to water, we will soon have them drinking as much as we want.

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    14. Re:Works in reverse by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      Our ray guns also make paper with some very specific patterns on them look like tin foil to you people. Our rays also detect those patterns and send some subtly different (but no less effective) mind control rays to make you think you've got enhanced free will. Its all quite amusing, really.

    15. Re:Works in reverse by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "How long is it going to be until somebody makes this work in reverse, ie, controlling the brain from a computer chip?"

      I have a question: Are you seriously concerned about this, or where you secretly hoping for a cheap 'Insightful' mod?

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    16. Re:Works in reverse by mickyflynn · · Score: 1

      Why not just stomp out humanity all together and just replace us with robots? -- they use less natural resources.

    17. Re:Works in reverse by bytesmythe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Injecting signals into the brain amounts to controlling it, though. If those signals come from a body part with which the brain is already familiar, great. If not, the brain can learn to process the "foreign" signals as best it can.

      Certain situations already cause similar behavior. When a person becomes blind, the part of the brain devoted to visual processing starts taking input from other parts (especially the hands, since they are absolutely loaded with touch receptors). The situation is not identitical to getting feedback from prosthetic limbs, but it does show that parts of the brain can take unfamiliar inputs and figure out what to do with them.

      We could just be debating the semantics of the word "control" here. I imagine many people see it as forcing the brain to take a particular action. Although this is probably possible, it also probably isn't desirable. For instance, it would be monumentally difficult to inject a probe into a person's brain and trigger it to get them to raise their hand. This is because it takes a massive amount of motor coordination to get the hand to raise smoothly and subsequently remain in the air, and the probe would produce an unnatural, Frankenstein-like motion.

      Instead of trying to force the arm up, it's easier just to ask someone to raise their arm. You are controlling their brain by activating their auditory processing cortex, which leads to them interpreting and understanding your request, then firing off systems in the motor cortex that get routed through the cerebellum to lift their arm and hold it there. More effective than a probe, and easier, too! :)

      We do have RoboRats. Note that the rats are not "forced" in a certain direction, but actually trained to respond to mild electrical stimulus to the "whisker processing" center of their brains that is enforced by stimulating their pleasure centers. Even remotely controlling a rat, it's far easier to provide minimal feedback and let the brain do the bulk of the processing.

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    18. Re:Works in reverse by Rei · · Score: 1

      It is actually a requirement for effective physical manipulation. Say you're trying to pick up a glass of water with a robotic arm controlled by a chip in your brain. How do your robotic fingers know how much pressure to put on the glass? Too little and it falls. Too much and it breaks. You need feedback. This involves neural stimulation.

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    19. Re:Works in reverse by mattspammail · · Score: 1

      Someone else's finger (in your chili) can already affect your thinking. (and make you filthy rich)

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    20. Re:Works in reverse by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      +1 Scarily Insightful

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    21. Re:Works in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your finger already controls your thoughts. Just touching the tip of it starts off a flurry of activity in your parietal lobes.

      Mods forgive me, but those two sentences made me think of something wayyyy south of the brain. But it's almost on-topic...

    22. Re:Works in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vaporware. With that and a Flash animated webpage, you can possibly swindle some dotcom investors for a year, but it's still vaporware.

      Actually look up the results of Robert Mann's lab at MIT and the design of the Boston Arm to see why these things have never worked. The signal measurement from myo-electric skin patches is similarly noisy to that of current implanted electrode technologies, and it's a half-second delay. Amputees actually get better, more delicate artificial limb control by using their own muscles, which is why the Boston Arm and the spinal implant controlled knee joints developed in Australia have never been successful medically.

    23. Re:Works in reverse by tomsuchy · · Score: 1

      probably this wouldn't directly control your brain, but it might affect sensory input, deceiving you into believing something that may not be entirely true. most people don't even need a chip in the brain to deceive themselves, so just think of how much a device stuck into your optic nerve can do.

      but, give me a chip which lets my brain access the internets, and i'll be an early adopter for sure.

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  5. Are we ready for another brain talk ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Implantations and then may be we can revive the brain as well.

  6. Hmmm... by nm0n · · Score: 2, Funny

    Two words: Lawnmower Man

    1. Re:Hmmm... by ClintBartonWannabe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Three other words: The Terminal Man

    2. Re:Hmmm... by mattspammail · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two more words: The Matrix

      I'm quite sure no one else thought of that parallel. Dang, I'm so original.

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    3. Re:Hmmm... by ross.w · · Score: 1

      Seeing as it's the BBC, what about Davros?

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      One more word: Enough!

  7. hmm by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's all well and good until the Blue Screen and you can't move your arms

    1. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the risk of deflating your joke, if you have one of these chances are you couldn't move your arms anyway...

    2. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's all well and good until the Blue Screen and you can't move your arms
      Well, that is when you ask someone to press Ctrl-Alt-Del protruding from your forehead ...

    3. Re:hmm by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      you can't move your arms
      So you're back where you were before the device. Not a big risk by any means.

  8. How so? by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    We already have artificial cochleas that can deliver sound information to the brain. But that's not controlling it.

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  9. Helpless by wgaryhas · · Score: 1

    What is the user supposed to do if the computer freezes or crashes? It isn't like they can get up and reboot the thing.

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    1. Re:Helpless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a fuckin moron

    2. Re:Helpless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just have to take a nap - once they wake up again, problem solved!

    3. Re:Helpless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computers are robust and reliable machines. It's a sad day when repeated exposure to Microsoft software makes you associate freezes and crashes with computers-at-large instead of a particular piece of operating system or software.

    4. Re:Helpless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a computer in the sense that it runs Windows. When's the last time your TV remote or pocket calculator "crashed"?

    5. Re:Helpless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why they tap their com badge twice and state with a loud and authoratative voice "REBOOT". They are out of luck if they can't tap their com badge though.

    6. Re:Helpless by ashchap2 · · Score: 1

      my freeview digital TV box crashes occasionally - its not just microsoft products that cause things to crash

  10. Rather than the TV volume... by Gibble · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not make it capable of controlling robotic limbs, etc...things that are more useful than the volume of your tv?

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    1. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

      The same reason why there is no knob on new TVs... ...at least I assume that's why...

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    2. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by Daravon · · Score: 1

      Maybe because they're starting small and simple before ramping up the complexity? When the first airplanes were being designed, they didn't go straight for the jumbo jet.

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    3. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by brontus3927 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Thats one of the ideas behind this technology. However, technologically speaking, its a lot easier to program a chip to:
      If Brain = tvon Then 'Think about turning tv on
      TV = True ' Turn TV on
      End If
      then
      If Brain = tvon Then 'Think about turning tv on
      Do While EYES = toolow 'check location of hand relative to button & adjust
      RIGHTARM = Forward
      RIGHTARM = Up
      cin EYES
      Loop
      INDEXFINGER = Extend 'reach for button
      RIGHTARM =Forward 'press button
      End If
      Which is an extreme simplification of the process, but you get the point. Also these devices require a good deal of training. Generally, when someone has this implanted they are missing a limb, and are instructed to think about moving that limb, and doctors monitor the EKG, and the chip is programmed to use the thought of moving your missing arm to turn on the tv. So if you were'nt missing your arm, but had the chip installed, thinking about turning on the tv would turn on the tv, and at the same time, you would be reaching out to turn it on, which depending on the situation, would have the effect of turning the tv off again, or simply exerting the effort to turn on the tv while turning it on electronically.
    4. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US Air Force is working on this, to create prosthetics for the many amputees coming back from war. But their goal is to be non-invasive; to not have to put yet another hole in the patients for the interface. see FireFox for another application of this.

    5. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by harrkev · · Score: 4, Funny

      Exactly what I was thinking. I want a 3rd (and possibly 4th) arm. THAT would be cool. Especially if one had a laer on it! Come to think of it, I could use it to control a shark - with a laser on it's head!

      But, on a more practical side... This process is obviously far from perfect. If the whole thing went crazy, the worst thing would be having your TV stuck on the spanish channel at full blast :(

      On the other hand, with a robot arm, some serious bodily injury could occur. Even a weak arm could have enough strength to poke your eye out. If somebody was using their fancy arm to slice a tomato, one slip could prove fatal.

      Still, I suspect that this will be eventually done if this technique works. But it will take time, lots of legal waivers, and a lot of insurance.

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    6. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 1

      Why not make it capable of controlling robotic limbs, etc...things that are more useful than the volume of your tv?

      That's the whole f'n point of the article. Go read it instead of posting stupid questions.

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    7. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by brontus3927 · · Score: 1

      BTW: yes I know I mixed C with BASIC. Somebody please just shoot me now.

    8. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1
      Why not make it capable of controlling robotic limbs, etc...things that are more useful than the volume of your tv?
      Because even if they did, some people still wouldn't RTFA.

      From the first two paragraphs of TFA:

      There's a hand lying on the blanket on Matt Nagle's desk and he's staring at it intently, thinking "Close, close," as the scientists gathered around him look on. To their delight, the hand twitches and its outstretched fingers close around the open palm, clenching to a fist.

      In that moment, Nagle made history. Paralysed from the neck down after a vicious knife attack four years ago, he is the first person to have controlled an artificial limb using a device chronically implanted into his brain.

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    9. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1

      You have to start -somewhere- : Controlling robotic limbs will require much more sophistication than turning the volume up/down.

    10. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by FingerDemon · · Score: 1

      Well, yes but you could also kill yourself quite easily with one slip-up using power tools available at any Home Depot, right now. I don't remember Home Depot requiring any legal waivers when you buy them. But then again I take your point on the fine level of control required with something so intimate a part of your daily life.

      Also, I do appreciate any reference to the sharks with the freakin laser beams on their heads. :-)

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    11. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by master_p · · Score: 1

      If the brain can be easily connected to robotic limbs or other devices, what does it take for the brain to live outside of a body? Could a brain be attached to a machine that feeds it with blood, just like a normal heart would do? would then a brain 'exist' just like a normal body?...I know, the thought is scary, let alone the prospect, but as a society, we are going to face the moral and ethical dillemma sooner or later.

    12. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by k96822 · · Score: 1

      That's why they should experiment using the female brain first.

      If Breathing = true Then
      GO insane
      End If

      Much simpler.

    13. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Newer TVs have knobs - except instead of being mounted on the front of the unit, now they sit on the couch and complain that there's nothing decent on.

    14. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by Retric · · Score: 1

      Why would you have a problem with this? I mean shure you could to bad things to a brain in a jar but ditto to somone in a cage. So unless your cousing harm what's the problem?

    15. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by alecks · · Score: 0

      Or instead of looking at the EKG result of you MOVING your arm, they could program it by the EKG of you IMAGINING that you're moving your arm (or imaigning that the TV is on... the WILLING it to be on)

    16. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by blakestah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One step at a time...the capabilities of the front-end need to be explored first. We know a consistent signal can be gotten for months, but how stable is it over time? How do you effectively couple it as an external control system?

      With respect to having it control prosthetics, the robot arm is the easy part. The hard part is feedback. This is already well-known from prosthetic arms controlled with other signals. The arm input signal isn't so hard, but humans lose a lot of capability without feedback, and prostheses use really crude strategies in order to utilize normal muscle feedback instead of using much better couplings to robot arms.

      There's a lot of work to be done, but there are several groups of very skilled people moving fast...it'll get a lot better over the next 10 years.

    17. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by chuck · · Score: 1
      On the other hand, with a robot arm, some serious bodily injury could occur.

      Or even on the same hand, I suppose... or a robot hand on the other arm??? Eh?

      Even a weak arm could have enough strength to poke your eye out. If somebody was using their fancy arm to slice a tomato, one slip could prove fatal.

      It takes most of us about a decade to learn how to use our fancy real human arms to slice a tomato without slipping up. Where's the difference?
    18. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by hausmaus · · Score: 1

      Why does this discussion remind me of Doc Ock from "Spiderman" . . . ?

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    19. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by lordsid · · Score: 1

      you have to start with simple tasks. a fully articulated arm would be a mountain of a first goal.

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    20. Re:Rather than the TV volume... by antoy · · Score: 1

      Because it's harder. Many more nanowires needed.

      And even if you do have all those nanowires in your brain, the way it currently works means that no information actually comes back to the brain, and you'll have to coordinate your limb using your vision or other senses. Kind of like when you sleep on your arm.

      I'm in no way an expert at these things, but I'd guess that sending back sensor data is possible and maybe even feasible right now, but much more dangerous and ethically challenged. Peeking is pretty safe, poking is not.

  11. remote control future? by brammo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why not use it when you're not paralyzed? I think it is _very_ handy for turning the coffee machine on when you're in bed.. :-D

    I have a dream...


    or will this turn on about anything at the press of a finger? seems scary

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    1. Re:remote control future? by astroblaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a dream...

      It's interesting that you mention dreams. How many people fall asleep while watching TV; moreover: how many people have lucid dreams wherein they're interacting with daily objects?

      "I had this dream where I just kept flipping channels, but on the coffeemaker, and the washing machine became a monster, so I turned on the sprinkler system to short it out..." R.E.M.- but for user input of actual devices? Sounds like the first priority is detecting levels of conciousness so that they're aware of what they're controlling.

  12. DRM out of control by gordlea · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I first read the headline I thought to myself "Man, this DRM crap is really getting out of hand..."

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    1. Re:DRM out of control by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Funny
      I read the headline in a RSS popup and got `Bran Implanted Chips'.

      I mean, dietary fibre is a good thing, but these health nuts are just going to far when they mess with the noble chip!

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    2. Re:DRM out of control by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Does the noble chip lead directly to the noble gas?

  13. I have a feeling... by ScislaC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    people that don't need this will get it and we'll all get a whole lot lazier... reading slahdot without lifting a finger? sounds good to me!

    1. Re:I have a feeling... by FlopEJoe · · Score: 1
      And here I am using my own fingers to click the mouse like a sucker.

      Homer, "The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons"

  14. Seizures by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Controlling the brain is actually pretty difficult. From experiment they have done, they found the human brain does not take well to control. Frequently, tests subjects would have seizures under such conditions. Even just recording a subject's brain waves and playing them back would induce serious seizures.

    Sorry I don't have any links on this, I saw it on Discovery channel a few years ago.

    1. Re:Seizures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They"? You mean "Them"?

    2. Re:Seizures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw it on Discovery channel
      Well, that at least a little better than reading it in the USA Today

  15. That's just great by ntshma · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now you'll be able to get hacked and become part of some script kiddies zombie network yelling spam at everyone you walk past.

    1. Re:That's just great by Winckle · · Score: 1

      While that would be annoying to say the least, these devices control other devices, not the host body, you need to take off the tinfoil hat!

    2. Re:That's just great by Daravon · · Score: 1

      Stupid! If he takes off the hat "they" will get him! The hats protect you from "them".

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    3. Re:That's just great by ntshma · · Score: 1

      Yeah, right. As soon as I get my implant I'll be installing a firewall, anti-virus, and anti-spyware.

    4. Re:That's just great by NinjaFarmer · · Score: 1
      Yeah, right. As soon as I get my implant I'll be installing a firewall, anti-virus, and anti-spyware.
      But I run Linux...
  16. What I want... by FreeLinux · · Score: 1

    I want brain control over a portable tesla coil, or maybe a Jacob's ladder.

    Yes! I'm talking to you.

  17. Re:Transhumanism by Metapsyborg · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's the next step in human evolution. Physically we do not need to evolve anymore, as it's more efficient to evolve our intellectual abilities.

    Cyborgs and, ultimetly, robots are the future of humanity.

    Sure, these "features" (brain controlled computing) will initially be for the disabled, but how long before it becomes acceptable in the general populace to get these modifactions? People will begin seeing them as everyday occurances, and then we will know we've reached the next level.

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  18. better not... by bird603568 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Tell the Schindler's because they will misunderstand it and think it will unbrain dead Terri. BWT starvation really sucks and starving is wrong and im not tring to mock the whole thing because its a serious matter.

    1. Re:better not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yer a little late. but point taken: new medical possibilities are always misunderstood by the desperate and often abusable.

    2. Re:better not... by bird603568 · · Score: 1

      I know she died, that was the point. They probally would say look at this she could now do x, y, and z with this.

    3. Re:better not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell the Schindler's because they will misunderstand it and think it will unbrain dead Terri. BWT starvation really sucks and starving is wrong and im not tring to mock the whole thing because its a serious matter.

      Yeah, and if you knew what you were talking about you would understand that she will die of dehydration, not starvation.

    4. Re:better not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Painlessly too, due to the fact her brain could not receive pain signals.

    5. Re:better not... by bird603568 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ok true she did die of dehydration, but have you ever not eaten for 13 days? Go over to africa and ask a kid that hasn't eaten of a while if he is starving? A more humane was would have been lethal injection.

    6. Re:better not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      she wasn't brain dead, know the facts

    7. Re:better not... by Dues · · Score: 1

      A more humane way would have been lethal injection.

      Would have been better, but it's illegal.

    8. Re:better not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Tell the Schindler's because they will misunderstand it and think it will unbrain dead Terri.

      I thought I could resist, but since you went and mentioned it anyway... South Park had a great take on this whole stupid, sad, tragic thing, and timed it perfectly. It aired last night, though you can catch it again this Saturday, think. Among other revelations ( like putting a feeding tube *in* being going against god's will ), they explain that the PSP was made by god.

      Then there's the Terri Schaivo blog, for which someone is certainly going to hell.

      The saddest thing, to me, is that Mitch Hedberg's untimely death isn't likely to get much attention due to his timing here. Man, that sucks, he was one funny dude.

  19. why is it always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    about the handicapped??

    Why can't this tech be for those of who aren't handicapped?!?

  20. They need instruments on the thalamus. by Eunuch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The thalamus relays all our sensory information (except for smell). It is also involved in mediating interactions between different areas of the cortex. If we can get input/output devices into the thalamus, you might well have The Matrix.

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  21. About this... by SparksMcGee · · Score: 1

    So how exactly does the chip figure out the appropriate thought--patterns that say "turn down the volume" as opposed to "turn on the TV?" Is it a matter of actually knowing the physical manifestation of a given thought pattern, or just of asking the guy to have a general mindset?

    1. Re:About this... by stygianguest · · Score: 1

      Well, the brain is actually a very flexible organism, it can adapt to the new situation with more possibilities for output. Someone with a chip like this in his/her head would have to learn to use it.

      These new technologies seem a major breakthrough in technology, but I think it's much more amaizing to see how incredibly well the human brain is able to react to this kind of things.

      The chip's resistance is futile, he will be assimilated!

    2. Re:About this... by harrkev · · Score: 1

      Nope. Things like this just take any signals that they are given. The person controlling the thing has to learn how to control it.

      Babies thrash their limbs around for a while. It takes them a couple of months to learn to even grasp at an object.

      So the chip "figures out" absolutely nothing. The brain learns to "figure out" the chip.

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  22. Real World Application ??? by with_him · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I believe that this could be a great thing, but do we need implants? Why can't we refine brain wave scanning? In the future, how will we power these systems? I don't want people to open my skull every two years to change my battery! A nural net or something that rests on the scalp would be a less invasive and possibly better solution. Some who knows more about this than me please comment.

    1. Re:Real World Application ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Implants provide better resolution of brain activity. Sort of the difference between taking a picture of someone from a passing airplane and taking a picture of them from 5 feet away or perhaps like listening to someone talk to you in a crowded, noisy room rather than next to each other and in a quiet place. For fine control (and with current technology) there is no way to resolve a small set of neurons firing without being in close physical proximity.

    2. Re:Real World Application ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      At the moment, implants are the only way to get the precision required to do anything accurately.
      Implants (ideally) try to isolate small clusters of neurons which, when firing, indicate some intention that would ordinarily be carried out through a connection to the motor neurons.
      External sensors, say an EEG 'helmet', can't sense with the degree of precision required to get such a precise intention. You can, of course, make such a device that will respond to one of n states, where n is small, because the fluctuations in the field potential (or whatever else you're checking) could be segregated via machine learning algorithms into enough defineable states. But you can't do anything more precise.

      The real promise of implants is that as they get smaller and as our filtering and understanding of neural coding (spatial AND temporal) gets better, you can differentiate many, many more 'intentions' with this sort of technology, so no longer are you limited to turning the volume up and down, but instead can select individual channels without scrolling up or down, program a time, etc. More abstract stuff.

      For more information, check out some work by Nicolelis - I think it was mentioned on Slashdot a while back, and deals with Brain-Machine Interfaces and monkeys controlling robotic arms.

      (Postscript: It might be possible at some point to use self-tuning neural networks and external sensors, but the training time would depend on the individual, the sensors would have to be far better than they are now, and the research into implants is of tremendous use aside from these 'cool' applications!)

  23. Re:Transhumanism by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

    someone's been playing some Alpha Centauri.

  24. This is just screaming for it..... by RPI+Geek · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, technology controls you!

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    1. Re:This is just screaming for it..... by dfn5 · · Score: 1
      I, for one, welcome our new Brain-implanted chip overlords.

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  25. The major problem with this ... by PxM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that they require a surgical procedure which makes it risky at the moment and hard to reverse. While it's good for disabled patients (until we can biologically fix neural damage) it's still not the magic neural link that some geeks want it to be. The more interesting research with alternative interfaces comes from tech like subvocalization and other virtual input that NASA is working on. This includes movement recognition where sensors on the surface of the skin (no surgery required) can pick up subtle gestures that would be invsible to others. That would allow you to work your wearable computer without anyone noticing since all of your motions would be subtle.

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    1. Re:The major problem with this ... by Metapsyborg · · Score: 1
      Maybe that NASA stuff is good, but I think this iteration of brain-controlled technology is going the right way. It's simply a matter of refining it until the tech can be integrated into a healthy human with a minimum amount of side effects.

      On the surface it may appear that this tech is helping the disabled people, but another way of looking at it is that the disabled are the only ones desperate enough at this point to use it. Hence, they are our guinea pigs (kind of cold perspective, I know); after this stuff is refined for disabled people, it may just be non-invasive enough that healthy folks can use it.

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    2. Re:The major problem with this ... by blakestah · · Score: 1

      The sub-vocalization stuff is kinda cool, but it is a technology looking for an application right now. They wanted to sell it to cell phone companies, got blown off, and convinced DoD to fund research on its applications. Kind of a smart move, actually, but I'm a little dubious it will compete with brain implants as a conduit from CNS to the outside world.

    3. Re:The major problem with this ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't work yet for motor control, and never has. Partly, the electrodes have not yet safely been made fine enough and stable enough to survive in the body and transmit signals from single neurons or small sets of neurons, and the processing delay of filtering out the noise of large numbers of neurons in the very high noise environment of tissue means a minimum half-second delay in response time.

      You can theoretically do better in stimulating nerves, and ther have been neural implants for years that work this way, such as cochlear implants and some brain stem implants for hearing. But detailed muscle control is unlikely at best until a better electrode is released, such as Daved Edell's work at MIT for comb-like gold-plated silicon structures that can be inserted into a nerve like a comb through hair.

      There's also a terrible tendency to digitize these things, and say "ooooohhhh, look at the pretty transforms and all the data we can massage with enough computing power!" But the original data from the poorly designed, power limited, and digital noise cluttered analog stages of the circuitry then has most of its temporal information throwan away by the digital processing trying to do FFT's instead of simply looking for edge detections and edge delay measurements.

  26. Yeah, puts steroids in their place. by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    With all the crap about steroids, that's not even the path we need to take.

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  27. what we need here... by zxnos · · Score: 1

    ...is a brain implanted passport chip, now that...

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  28. Welcome by Seoulstriker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Naw. I couldn't bother to read the article either.

    Welcome to slashdot. You'll fit in nicely.

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    1. Re:Welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This coming from a Slashdotter with a UID in the 7xxxxx's.

      Heh, irony, meet thyself.

  29. 5% by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
    An opportunity to become even lazier.

    Announced last week major electronic manufactures have announced the new brain controlled televisions and cable.

    Though a spokesman one company said there're would some diffculties for the public in general since it's a known law of physics that one must by at least 5% smarter than the device that one is trying to use. He did comment one postitive note that the general stupidity of people everywhere would not hamper the roll out of the lastest brain controled toasters.

    1. Re:5% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it's a known law of physics that one must by at least 5% smarter than the device that one is trying to use"

      It's also a known law of physics that at least 5% of the people posting about an article need to have actually read the article for a discussion of it to be usefull.

    2. Re:5% by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
      I read the licensing agreement when I first signed up for /. and no where does it state that I have to actually read the articles or any of the posts before posting something enlightening, funny, factual (a very rare thing here), annoying, or just plain stupid.

      I see you are having difficulty making ego's would you like some help with your new toaster.

  30. Re:Terri Schiavo by MatthewNewberg · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ??

    How would this help Terri Schiavo?

    She doesn't have brain function, what good would it be to hook her up to a computer if she would never have the ability to use it.

  31. Firefox: MiG-31 browser plugin? by Tackhead · · Score: 1
    Baranovich: You must... surf in Russian!

    With apologies to Craig Thomas and Clint Eastwood.

  32. Reminds me of a book by phorm · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of this book by C.S. Friedman (great author BTW).

    In the future, brain implants argment humans with with physical impairments to the point where their extended mental abilities far outreach their physical limitations. Of course, only the rich can afford the best technology, but hackers acquire black-market implants to keep up. Eventually a rogue virus threatens everyone, as simply seeing a trigger for the virus when your firmware is enabled can infect you...

    1. Re:Reminds me of a book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your synopsis sounds a lot like Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson- odd eh?

  33. electrocution by brammo · · Score: 1

    I hope they make the circuits damn good, I don't want to get electrocuted and paralyzed because the developers were lousy..

    circuits for paralyzed, only you can't operate the circuits afterwards

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  34. They are the testers. by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    The tech is currently quite invasive. But data from it could allow a noninvasive helmet. Also, we as a society have hangups about inevitable transhumanism.

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  35. and in other news by Nept · · Score: 1

    Technology Allows Control of Brain Implanted Chips

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  36. Hands free computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, now I'll be able to have both hands free!
    And keep the keyboard and mouse clean.

  37. Depression too. by pavon · · Score: 1

    Simular implants have been used to treat severe, otherwise untreatable, depression. I read about it in the economist . I think non-subscribers can get to that, but if not plentfy of other sites are reporting on it as well.

  38. Neural Circuits by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    These first chips are just "neural output" devices. They're very exciting - we've crossed the watershed to real bionics. But they're "write only" devices, like printers. Which is at odds with actual neural function, which includes feedback at every turn. Neural input feedback will make these devices more accurate and useable (by anyone). And the numb appendages we use while working on that next breakthru will probably make us more neurotic. Here's to escalating the modern condition!

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    1. Re:Neural Circuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So insightful, what would we do without you? Maybe read something worth the time.

    2. Re:Neural Circuits by venicebeach · · Score: 1

      Well, there is still feedback. First off, depending on the patient there may be some proprioceptive sensation intact (if only motor fibers are cut, for example). More importantly, you have visual and auditory feedback. These can be very effective sources of feedback - premotor cortex receives visual and auditory inputs (and even responds to seeing someone else acting more than other things). With time, the brain may be able to squeeze a lot from this information...At the very least you will know about the gross success or failure of your action and can adjust based on that.

    3. Re:Neural Circuits by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "And the numb appendages we use while working on that next breakthru will probably make us more neurotic."

      How would that make you any more neurotic than moving a mouse, or using a biofeedback device?

      If you ask me, people in todays society are more equipped than ever before to handle this sort of thing mentally.

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    4. Re:Neural Circuits by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I think that using a mouse contributes to the neuroses of our modern condition. Carpal tunnel took a while to recognize as an occupational hazard, and it's physical. I think mechanization causes stress - the less easily interfaced, the more stressful. And jacking arbitrary inputs into our brains will likely cause longterm psychological changes, as we adapt to our new limbs as much as they adapt to us. Some of those changes will likely be inconsistent with the rest of our psyche, and cause neurosis, even psychosis. We've adapted our psyches to incorporate mechanization, but this new frontier ups the ante considerably. I expect we'll adapt, and also become more neurotic, just as we have in the past.

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  39. Questions??? by mbrewthx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could YOU run Linux?? Or would Linux be running you???
    Imagine a Beowolf cluster of people???

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    1. Re:Questions??? by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

      Imagine a Beowolf cluster of people???

      I thought it. Bored now.

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    2. Re:Questions??? by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

      Or would Linux be running you???

      Only in Soviet Russia.

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    3. Re:Questions??? by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Or would Linux be running you???

      Only in Soviet Russia.

    4. Re:Questions??? by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      Dupe.

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    5. Re:Questions??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine a Beowolf cluster of people???

      I think thats how the Borg started out...

    6. Re:Questions??? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
      Imagine a Beowolf cluster of people???

      It's called 'society'. I also only know it from a book. If you want, I can bring it to your basement...

    7. Re:Questions??? by mattmatt · · Score: 1

      Imagine a Beowolf cluster of people???

      Borg, anyone?

  40. Government will soon be able to plug in directly! by flajann · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Thought crimes? Impure thoughts? Someday the government may have the power to know your most intimate thoughts. Think of the field day Bush and his ilk would have!

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  41. Broader Implications by pegasustonans · · Score: 1

    brain implants return ability to those with disability, allowing them to control all manner of devices by thought alone

    Why is this thought of only in terms of those with disability? I'm sure there are plenty of other people would love having the device implanted for other purposes altogether.

    As soon as someone figures out a way to create an optical overlay via a direct neural interface, I'm sure everyone who ever seriously dreamed of living in virtual reality will jump on this in a heartbeat.

    Though, hopefully they'll also figure out a less intrusive means by which to install the device and also prevent possible infection.

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    1. Re:Broader Implications by nb+caffeine · · Score: 1

      I dont want a virtual reality, i just want an augmented reality. Kind of like a non intrusive hud. Night vision (i can barely see at night, and any light is a halo thanks to my astimgatism), maybe a scheduler, so that when i have something to do, it appears in my vield of view as a notice (Today: Pay bills. eh, leave that till tomorrow) Granted, my examples arent the best, but i have a feeling that augmented reality has a lot more to offer than virtual reality. Some of the stuff that steve mann is doing that ive read is sweet. All i can think of is "Why cant that be integrated into my contacts?!" sigh, a few more years off, i suppose http://www.eecg.toronto.edu/~mann/index.html

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    2. Re:Broader Implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because geeks having virtual sex with supermodels does not get NIH research funding.

  42. is it just for paralyzed people? by cyberwave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not handicapped in any way but I want the procedure done immediately!

    1. Re:is it just for paralyzed people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, the procudure only implants a chip, not intelligence or personality. It won't help you then, $|-|17 4 |3|241|\|5.

    2. Re:is it just for paralyzed people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was a joke you retarded fag

  43. Re:Transhumanism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm waiting for the day my Playstation orders a mod chip for me...

  44. Better Idea? by netfool · · Score: 1
    Why not get some technology inside of their limbs so they have better control of themselves, rather just the things around them.

    Being use to controlling your body your entire life, then one day getting into, for example, a car accident and becoming paralysed... The realization of not being able to control your body has got to be immense. I mean, total loss of most/all physical control...unreal.

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  45. Re:Government will soon be able to plug in directl by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
    Someday the government may have the power to know your most intimate thoughts. Think of the field day Bush and his ilk would have!

    Take that BushHating hat off. 3 yrs from now, he won't be having a field day about anything.

  46. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone else find this odd that we are recreating functional aspects of our life that began development hundreds of thousands of years ago?

    To allow the brain to interact with something around it, we currently use things like our arms and legs. What took nature countless years to build we have managed to replicate in what, a hundred?

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    1. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/\ -/stic/

  47. My brain's wired to MS Windows... by IdJit · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and I haven't experienced any adverse effects.

    Hold on...I've just been given a list of servers I need to attack...BRB

  48. Matrix anyone? by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one that is seriously waiting for the socket in the back of my head so I can learn all sorts of things without any effort? I don't think I'd want the control chips implanted... imagine yourself watching TV, all settled in, and just as the shower scene starts, you blink and suddenly you're watching the iron chef? or your garage door starts opening and closing repeatedly? Got only knows what evil would happen if you got a 'head cold'... sneezing is bad enough, but when you sneeze and the dishwasher starts a rinse cycle, that's just out of hand. ?

  49. You know who else created this technology? by NightWulf · · Score: 1
    THE BORG!!!!!

    Seriously, I think with implanted chips in the brain and the internet, could be be getting close to an ability to "google" information and have it implanted directly into our brain. A novel for instance, or even how to do something. Is there a possibility in the future school from Pre-k to college can be downloaded in a few minutes into an 18 year old?

    1. Re:You know who else created this technology? by texas · · Score: 1

      Even if you had a neural link to Google, and could look anything up on the internet from within your brain, I don't think that would result in a situation such as you suggest. While I rather like the idea, like in the Matrix, of buying a CD with a particular skill set, going home, and loading it into my head, the problem is seek time.

      See, if I were looking up something on Google, I still have to do the search, find appropriate material, and then read the material to understand it. Even if I was assured of 100% relavance (say if I had an entire Encyclopedia instead of google in my head), there still wouldn't be instant recall. What's really amazing about the human brain is the instantaneous seek and fetch times. Having a huge storage device available in our head just wouldn't work as well unless we could reproduce such instantaneous lookups.

      Also, knowledge in most fields is cumulative... for example, to really understand many fields of physics, you need to understand differential equations. To know diffEQ, you need differential and integral calculus. To know calculus you need to understand limits (differential) and Reimann sums (integral). And you don't really understand Reimann sums until you know a bit about sequences and series, and limits again. You don't really understand that until you have algebra... no algebra without addition and subtraction... and so on. So even if you had all the theory for quantum mechanics available via instantaneous lookup in your head, that wouldn't help unless you understood all the underlying concepts. And even if all of those concepts were also available via instantaneous lookup, you still would have to process all that information.

      I can go look up and read about quantum computing, qubits, and quantum encryption on Wikipedia, but my understanding of that is still pretty slim because I've only taken two semesters of university physics. I can read Einstein's 1905 papers, but I still don't get any more than the basics of quantum mechanics or special relativity. The information is available to me, I just can't fit enough of it in my processing cache at one time to grasp it.

      It really doesn't seem feasable, unless there is a way to grant not only the availability of knowledge, but understanding as well.

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  50. Quake by mental control by voss · · Score: 1

    Its got to be faster than a joystick :)

  51. Re:Terri Schiavo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now that was tasteless

  52. Ah! by Orangez · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates quote: 'And your eyes and nose can be the 'ctrl-alt-del'!'

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  53. Brain machine interfaces - a story by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine wrote a very interesting story about brain machine interfaces. I wonder, what will be the future for this technology? Will we be able, as he states, to use this technology for ultra-fast typing, drawing and making computer animations, or even making blueprints, with just our thoughts?

    The part i liked the most about his story was the ultra-fast typing. Mix this with display-integrated glasses and a telecomm. Ta-da! You got text-based telepathy! Cyborgs, anyone?

    1. Re:Brain machine interfaces - a story by justin12345 · · Score: 1

      I imagine if brain-electronics technology got advanced enough you could do a lot more then text based telepathy. If you had an extensive enough network of electrodes capable of both "sending and receiving" a signal, you could probably take the electrical activity of one brain and duplicate it in another brain. I imagine it will be a bit more complex then that, but I think it will be pretty interesting (or horrifying) if we find a way to network brains.

      Taking it a step further, what if you could also "view" recorded thoughts? What if you had a person sit down and learn how to program in C for instance. While they did that you recorded the electrical activity in their brain. You then played it back in someone else's brain: and then they know C too. Maybe you could even speed the playback up so you could learn faster.

      And, to take it even a step further then that, what if you had a group of people networked together so that they were thinking each others thoughts while simultaneously interacting with a central server that delegated tasks to each persons brain, similar to a computer cluster. The server could be used to regulate communication between brains and also used to call up stored information needed be members of the group. Once a problem was solved by one member, the process of solving it could be speedily played back to the other members to bring them up to speed.

      A development like this could be either a very good thing or a very bad thing. People like to point out how Star Trek influences future technological developments. I wonder if it will give us the Borg, and whether or not that's a good or bad thing.

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  54. Re:Government will soon be able to plug in directl by doublem · · Score: 0

    Of course, in order to protect the children, any time an impure or immoral thought enters the mind, an electric shock will be delivered.

    Of course, no one will realize that this results in an impotent population who can't reproduce without the aid of science.

    Only the wealthy reproduce, since they're the only ones who can either afford the fertility aid, or can bribe their way out of their kids having the chips.

    The middle and under classes literally die out, as no one can manage to reproduce.

    American Civilization collapses, as the nation is invaded and divided by the nations that still have viable, living populations.

    Actually, it's kind of refreshing to realize Bush's moral zeal is self correcting, and will eventually die off, at least in it's current extreme form.

    I'm so damn close to getting a free ipod, which I'll fill entirely with CC licensed podcasts and rips of CDS I own.

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  55. Human Interface by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Neal Stephenson (writing as "Stephen Bury") described a drone politician controlled that way. And some say that this is already standard political practice

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  56. Call Me When- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They come up with the gadget that allows me to control my wife/GF/SO when they get out of line....or all the time

    Yes! I am posting AC...aint no dummy here

  57. This could be good for doctors themselves by pg110404 · · Score: 1

    Doctors need steady hands and for most things can use their own hands, but this could be a really good application for neurosurgeons who can't afford the slightest twitch.

    Once the skull is opened, they could then switch to robotic 'arms' and do the delicate work by focusing on where the instruments have to be by simply thinking it.

  58. It's okay, they're handicapped by Gigaplex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Step 1) Put chips in handicapped people
    "It's okay, they're handicapped. It's all we can do for them."

    Step 2) Put chips in normal people to monitor health hazards
    "It's important that we know if granny is in trouble."

    Step 3) Diseases and illnesses like SARS can be stopped in their tracks with these chips
    "We have to use these chips to protect ourselves. Everyone else is doing it and they are fine."

    Step 4) We can now use these to detect terrorists by watching for dangerous thought formations.
    "It's the only way we can stop them. It must be done."

    Step 5) The line between terrorist and criminal is blurred and it's used to stop criminals.
    "We might as well do it with criminals since we are already doing it with terrorists."

    Step 6) These thought-forms can be prevented entirely.
    "If terrorist and criminal thoughts are stopped from the git-go, it will be a utopia. The end of crime forever!"

    Step 7) All unwanted thoughts are filtered out
    "You have to pay a price for freedom. I am okay with slavery. We need it to be safe. What would you like me to do today?"

    See a problem here?!?

    1. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you forgot

      Step 8) PROFIT!!!

    2. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by parcifal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you would rather not have this technology to help disabled people on the off-chance that it can be misused in the future? Show my one piece of technology which can't be misused, and I will agree. The potential for misuse exists, and its only people like you and me who can exert pressure to prevent it.

    3. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by carpe_noctem · · Score: 1

      See a problem here?!?

      Yeah, you forgot step 8: Profit!!!

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    4. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by {Hecubus} · · Score: 1

      Slashdot needs a "-1: Paranoid Lunatic" moderation button

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    5. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Federico2 · · Score: 1

      Step 8) You will be assimilated

      Step 9) All your thought are belong to us

    6. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Metapsyborg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      While your concerns are legitimate, I think that they are somewhat extreme. For one thing, I don't think anyone would agree to your steps 4 and onward. The "terrorist" schtik is going to disappear in a couple years, just like McCarthyism. The government doesn't control doctors and hospitals (where would you get this done anyway? a University seems most likely). Orwellian distopias are (perhaps) possible, but I think there is too much of a conflict of interests for a true government/corporation controlled world.

      Why don't you say these things about the internet, or about any other technology? How do you know you don't have a chip in your head right now, implanted by the government/corporations when you were born? (I know I don't, I was born at home). Paranoia is a slippery slope...

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    7. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I think it's the one labelled "+1: Insightful"...

    8. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by noidentity · · Score: 1

      See a problem here?!?

      I think your thought control chip has gone haywire.

    9. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Gwyn_232 · · Score: 1

      Yes, you've stopped taking your medication.

    10. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by rhendershot · · Score: 1

      >>How do you know you don't have a chip in your head right now

      Hah! if I do then it's definately version 0.1, very alpha, and probably has a hot cathode as well (1959). lol

    11. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See a problem here?!?

      Yeah, you need some prozac.

    12. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Wind_Walker · · Score: 4, Informative
      See a problem here?!?

      The only problem I see is your use of the Slippery Slope Logical Fallacy

    13. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      Let me paint a different future:

      1. First it's used on handicapped people. Once prosthetics advance beyond a given point and the bugs are worked out, the technology catches on.

      2. Next we use them to give us hands free operation of computers. The first customer is the military. Soon jet pilots, drone operators, and remote robosoldier operators are outfitted with these. The interface will be no different from what's available the public, but the software interface will be a military secret.

      3. Then we'll use them to enhance our senses. Inputs into sensory areas of the brain will allow us to hook up new devices to dramatically alter what we can see, hear, smell, and taste.

      4. Bidirectional hookups to the hippocampus, amygdala, and prefrontal cortex will allow us to store memories in external "expansion" devices or supply swappable memories of various information.

      5. Direct communication between minds will be a natural outgrowth of #3.

      6. Sharing memories will be a natural outgrowth of #4.

      7. Memory theft will be a natural outgrowth of #6.

      8. Mapping and storage of one's memories will allow that information to survive the body.

      9. Mapping and storage of linkages within the brain will allow the mind to survive the body.

      10. Robots will be able to utilize the external memories, thus shortening the time to train robots how to perform tasks and deal with situations.

      11. Externally stored minds can be given control of robot bodies.

      12. Rather than traveling to new planets, we'll send robotic bodies. Once there, "body time" will be sold. A mind can be uploaded to the robotic body, allowed to enjoy the experience of being on Titan or Mars or wherever, and then transmitted back. Space travel with no perceived travel time, no need for human habitable environment, and no risk to the human.

      13. Hive mind.

      I could go on all day. At some point the virtual people / hive mind do away with the meatware, we construct a Dysan sphere, and we spend our time as gods of the virtual worlds we create for ourselves.

      Which, of course, has all been done before. Where do you think your current reality came from?

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    14. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by Gigaplex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The whole point of all this is that there are people in this world with incredible amounts of power who would have an interest in bringing this about. There are people that are smart enough to make this type of scenario work out. They could make it happen many different ways. It's not really an issue of how it happens. Whichever way it happens, you end up with the same result. I'm not saying it is going to happen in the exact way I described, I am only giving an example. I thought this would be obvious since it would be kind of stupid if someone really believed that this is exactly how things would unfold over the next 50 years. Slippery Slope Logical Fallacy does not apply because the post is not focused on the link between one event and the next. It is focused on intentions and ability.

      So if you are arguing anything, you should be arguing that I am paranoid for thinking that anyone could be so clever to make this type of thing happen (or something along those lines.)

    15. Re:It's okay, they're handicapped by lloydtesterman · · Score: 1

      Step 3.5) @ GlobalBurger we can now assure the quality of your order, press your selecetions and our mindless worker drones will happily prepare it your way! You are forgetting the part about "I'm a Linux Super Villian" and how those who can hack the controls for the chips will rule the world! Moohaa Moohaha Oh, and toothing will be fun again, not just made up like last time.

  59. Netcraft confirms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This thread is dead.

  60. Re:Government will soon be able to plug in directl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does a police man solve a crime???...Yes by exploring the "mind(set)..thoughts" of a offender,...
    Now how can this policeman solve a crime when he/she's not allowed to think "evil"?

    Why not give a field day to the public, and let the peoples "really" control the government..:)

    We could declare a 'legitimate' war on the US if it is the public that wants occupation army's to keep them(the public) wealthy, instead of only a handfull NeoCon's

    And yeah, I am afraid...that we'll have to clean a lot of mess left by those who invaded Bagdad.

  61. Well... by zenst · · Score: 1

    I'd rather implant something into the technology thanm have it implanted into me, heck I had to learn assembler and many other perverce coding languages in my time so I'll wait until the machine can understand the human and the machine gets the implants not I.

    Its bad enough for poor peeps with pacemakers but imagine the fun at hightech supermarkets and airport scanners with these puppies in you.

  62. More links and information by DoctoRoR · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article does a great job surveying some of the major players in the field. I think all of the cited researchers have received grants from the NIH Neural Prosthesis Program.

    As mentioned in the article, BCI research is proceeding along invasive, intra-cortical lines as well as more data-processing intensive EEG-based approaches. The latter methods affix EEG leads on the scalp, record brain waves, and employ powerful computer methods to decipher the results. Noise is a problem, so researchers have embraced the more invasive approach of implanting chips directly into the brain. That's what Cyberkinetics and Neural Signals are doing.

    The Lab of Brain-Computer Interfaces, Technical University of Graz, has an active group researching BCI, both through EEG and implanted electrodes. I'm surprised they don't get more press. There's also interesting work going on at Anderson's Caltech lab using the posterior parietal cortex, which might have some advantages. Check out the nice slide show on their research.

  63. Great idea, at least until... by Overt+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great idea, at least until the people receiving the implants start shouting EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! and try to kill large groups of people by photographic over-exposure.

  64. me need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    uh, me is retarded, too. where do i^Hme sign up for implant?

  65. Beta Testers Needed! by one_get_one_free · · Score: 2, Funny

    To qualify you must have a healthy, unused, expendable brain.

    Applicant: Well, I'm an avid slashdot reader...
    Interviewer: Yes, you'll do nicely. To report a bug, just twich randomly and piss yourself.

  66. Oblig. by Yonder+Way · · Score: 0, Redundant

    In Soviet Russia, the technology controls you.

  67. Ghost in the shell? by shredswithpiks · · Score: 1

    Remind anyone else of ghost in the shell? I can't wait 'till we've got people hacking other people!

    1. Re:Ghost in the shell? by Gwyn_232 · · Score: 1

      Yeah....that'll be...great...

  68. power by HTL2001 · · Score: 1

    to power it you'd use induction... this is in use today on most electric toothbrushes

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  69. Oddly familiar... by c-reus · · Score: 1

    "He is connected to the computer via a cable that is screwed into his head."

    Now where have I seen that before...

    Anyway, I think this is really helpful for the handicapped people, it must mean the world for the mto once again move their paralyzed limbs (or those replaced with artificial ones). Paralyzed means not being able to physically move your limb, not being too lazy to move, in case you were wondering.

    This is the first useful invention I've heard about since reading about the pizza knife that has a fork integrated in it.

  70. Both computer and human side adapt by DoctoRoR · · Score: 1
    So the chip "figures out" absolutely nothing. The brain learns to "figure out" the chip.

    I don't think it's as clear cut as that. Sure, there's a lot of plasticity on the human side. These devices don't just get implanted, turned on, and voila -- artificial limbs are moving. There's a long training period for humans to adapt and get the most benefit. But if you attach a neural sensor to a computer, there's the ability to apply sophisticated signal processing and pattern recognition techniques to the output signals. This has been a common technique when using EEG to drive computer operations, and I imagine it would be used with these intracortical chips as input devices.

  71. Re:Ah-choo by HomerJayS · · Score: 1

    Oh great! Then, everytime I sneeze my computer will reboot.

  72. This was also in Wired... by MattyDK23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wired Story

    Wired seemed to stress the opinion of other scientists in the same field, that this research was 'premature' and disaster could bring public outrage and set back (American) research a good ten years.

    The thing is, Matt Nagle was a willing volunteer; he's an adult who can comprehend the risks involved in this procedure, and if he's injured, one can't say that it's unexpected. If this niche industry is destroyed when somebody is hurt and this whole chance for mobility gets tossed back like U.S. stem cell research has been, I hope they can find other places to continue this technology -- and that the U.S. government doesn't hold them back.

    Matt and the other four volunteers are pioneers, so to say; they want to help further this research and get back some, if not all, of the mobility they had.

    Hats off to 'em.

  73. I for one... by Master_T · · Score: 1

    ...Welcome our new brain-implanted tecnological overlords.

  74. Be careful what you sish for by HomerJayS · · Score: 2, Funny
    focusing on where the instruments have to be by simply thinking it.

    I don't want the instruments anywhere near my brain after the surgeon thinks about what an ass his boss is.

  75. Old news - Slashdot already covered this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to see here, move along.

  76. Magnetic Deep Brain stim studies by HalfOfOne · · Score: 2, Informative
    My father works at Rush-Presbyterian in Chicago doing neurological monitoring for surgeries. There have been a lot of advances in using MagStim to detect motor neuron path issues, plus using it to treat behavioral and degenerative conditions.

    There's also some companies that are looking into ways to lessen the amount of invasive procedures, but as of yet they're not mainstream AFAIK.

    http://www.neurotechreports.com/pages/neurosurgery .html

    From TFA:

    "In January, Stereotaxis received FDA approval for its new Niobe Magnetic Navigation System, which uses computer-controlled magnets, positioned external to the body, to steer catheters and guidewires throughout the cardiovascular system. The system works with Siemens' Axiom Artis dFC digital fluoroscopy system, which is used to visualize the devices as they are navigated. Stereotaxis says the catheter delivery system may eventually be used to steer DBS electrodes to a precise location in the brain."

  77. Think Shortcuts by mathmatt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can I think "control-c" instead of "copy?"

    How about auto-completing my thoughts?

    Me: Computer, stop comp...
    Computer: ...completing my sentences!
    Me: You're driving...
    Computer: ...me crazy!
    Me: control-alt-delete!
    Computer: atl-F4
    Me: control-alt-delete!
    Computer: atl-F4
    Me: Why you little...
    Computer: Yes, Dave?

  78. nope by geekoid · · Score: 1

    ypu would think copy, and the computer would interpet that as ctrl-c.

    Then crash.

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  79. a small correction? by master_p · · Score: 1

    allowing them to control all manner of devices by thought alone



    I think it's not control by thought as in science fiction; in other words, it's not that the user thinks about 'move cursor up' and the cursor moves up. It's about using signals emitted from the brain to control a device.


  80. It would work perfectly by mathmatt · · Score: 2, Funny

    With her brain stem still intact, the computer would act randomly to reflexes, and sometime during the 15 years, would probably open Word or at least notepad.

    Then, we just wait to see the string "iwanttolive" or "iwanttodie" or something meaningful to appear. ("hi" at the very least would be likely to appear during the first 1352=26*26*2 letters entered randomly (ignoring other characters).

  81. Oh thats just great... by KipCas · · Score: 2, Funny

    Being a geek, I will of course get the implant. Though I know it will just be a matter of time before some 12 year old Brazilian kid hacks my head and I'm walking around shouting "GoldenPalace.com" like I have Tourette's syndrome.

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  82. Thank you by geekoid · · Score: 1

    but we've been here for some time.

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  83. Re:Transhumanism by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

    I'd never need to find my TV remote control again!

  84. Re:Terri Schiavo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    No, what would be REALLY tasteless would be to serve horse porn from her brainstem.

  85. Funny you should say that... by cp.tar · · Score: 1
    Imagine a Beowolf cluster of people???

    Just reading A Deepness In The Sky by Vernor Vince...

    That Focusing shit is scary...

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  86. Feedback is possible. by Panaphonix · · Score: 1

    According to this article, it is possible to pick up brain activity from EEG's and similar scans. You can use that information to control a cursor on a CRT. Thus, there is visual feedback, which is probably good enough to gain control. Bio-feedback games connected to USB ports are old news too.

    Think about how awkward it felt to drive a car at first. Brain-computer interfaces are probably not as difficult to create as they seem, and are probably no more than a decade away. Here here!

    1. Re:Feedback is possible. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I prefer to drive a BMW, because I can feel the road as I drive. Routing the feedback for, say, the hand from the article, through the visual cortex, ignores all the wetware already available for the original hand, through proprioception, and related neural nets. So we're getting started with feedback to other senses. The necessity of feedback is clear: if we just wagged the prosthetic, without getting any info of its new position, it would be useless. But learning to drive is much harder than, say, learning to write a new sentence, because we don't get feedback through well-trained, appropriate senses. When we do, we'll be adding actuators and sensors willy-nilly. 20 years from now, many enhanced individuals will be unrecognizable as humans, and indistinguishable from gargoyles. I'm anxiously awaiting the completion of the beta tests ;).

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  87. Sci-Fi by endlessoul · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of Hyperion, where one (and more) of the characters has a comlog. Basically a computer in your brain. Google something in a blink of an eye. RTFA AND be first post on /. Amazing.

    It's what I personally have been waiting for. Although it won't be used the way I'd like it for a very long time, it's good to see steps made toward this technology.

  88. I can't believe it! by bkruiser · · Score: 1

    No mention of Lawnmowerman?

  89. DRM by Aumaden · · Score: 1

    Hey, I want to install DRM on my implant so people will stop stealing my ideas!

  90. I wish... by Tribbin · · Score: 1

    I wish everybody would have to have an electric thing implanted in our heads that gave us a shock whenever we did something to disobey the president. Then somehow I get myself elected president. -- Jack Handey

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  91. I for one by lildogie · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome my new implant overlord.

  92. Evolution by Bonhamme+Richard · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Physically we do not need to evolve anymore

    I think it would be better put that we cannot evolve anymore. That's the whole point of civilization. As soon as people start working together, evoltion stops. The weak (like the handicapped people we're building implants for) are protected/supported by the strong (those of us with working bodies.)

    It works intellectually as well as physically, ie the smart raise up the stupid. We don't all have to discover our own vaccines....

    I personally see genetics as influencing our minds and bodies more than cybernetics (it seems easier to tweak genes to get rid of birth-defects than to rebuild bodies after they are born wrong), but the idea of, say a pilot's brain connected directly to a plane does have interesting implications...

    1. Re:Evolution by classical+piano · · Score: 1

      The interesting thing is not the idea of the pilot being connected to the plane, but the pilot flying itself. By connecting people with machine the two would cease to be seperate entities. Of course, I would find it most interesting to be directly linked to a computer with internet access. And if other people were linked to computers with internet access, a hive mind would eventually develop across the entire planet. But what would it feel like to be directly linked to a computer on the internet and then have the power go out? Ow.

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    2. Re:Evolution by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Not to talk about the possibility of being slashdotted while connected directly to the transatlantic backbone with your brain...

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    3. Re:Evolution by the_catfishman · · Score: 1
      I think it would be better put that we cannot evolve anymore.
      If you're aiming for inaccuracy, that would be better.

      We certainly can still evolve. We don't need to evolve at the moment for reasons you mentioned in your post, but change our environment significantly, and we will evolve (or go extinct).

      People tend to think of this in the short-term, but evolution takes a very, very long time. Just look at the history.
    4. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, right, let's punish pilots for seeing so much more of the world then most of us and for being so successful with ladies, make a freak show out of them, with connectors sticking out of their shaved head or even better, put their brains in a jar inside plane.

      Or you think everybody you envy is a geek enaugh to mod themself according to their vocation? I mean, flying is great, but during the time you are between flights, it is better to have a life.

      No doubt it would make for a cheaper man-machine interface (without all the cockpit commands and indicators), but not much better then that, plus all the hassle and invasion of pilot's body integrity.

      The bottom line is: this kind of technology is good for restoration of lost abilities and there also WILL be some people who are ambitious enaugh to "enhance" themself into cyborgs. Since there will be much money in it, both for cyb-ifying clinics and for employers, I think that pushing people into this kind of specialisation should be prevented by law. I mean, how is that different from castration to assure career (of a singer, harem guard, or emperor's councelor)?

  93. Typo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't that read:
    Technology: Implanted Chips Allow Control of Brain

  94. Military applications by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Expect the military to be one of the first to pick up on this. Take a fighter jet, for instance. One of the worst problems designers have is developing interfaces for all the devices on board. Just look at all the buttons and switches on the flight stick. It's so bad that they actually include a second person on most ships just to handle some of the workload. Recognize target. Identify. Select ordinance. Aim. Release. Each step requiring different inputs from a set of motor functions. Neural input would remove the need to concentrate on all those motor functions.

    Or how about a vehicle mounted machine gun. Instead of a driver and a gunner, the soldier will be able to just think "shoot left" while driving right.

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  95. Just a simple Terminal! by thygrrr · · Score: 1

    All I want is a simple neurally-interfaced text terminal. So I could keep writing code and playing text-based role playing games in case I lose my hands. Actually, just a neurally interfaced keyboard would be enough, though the reception of characters could be way cool, as well, especially once you learn to directly subvocalize without deciphering it first. That should only take a couple of months, seriously!

    (or, on a funny side, surf porn with no hands at the keyboard ... uhh ... and the term dumb terminal would have a considerably literal sense)

    1. Re:Just a simple Terminal! by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 1

      I think it actually might be easier to create a neural interface that recognizes the keywords as entire words.

      A whole keyboard is quite clumsy especially the rarely used characters might get untrained.

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    2. Re:Just a simple Terminal! by thygrrr · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much the same deal; but I believe the "untraining" couldn't be so bad, though. I think it'd be a lot like riding a bicycle or even speaking (I rarely use the words "femme" or "lass" in everyday speech, but I can still say them)

    3. Re:Just a simple Terminal! by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 1

      Well, yes your brain could handle "untraining", but I assume that a neural interface would be sort of flaky, at least until you do the interfacing by nanoprobes inside the brain.

      And you probably wouldn't want to undergo surgery on the brain to get an implant, you'd prefer a non-invasive method.

      Maybe measuring the facial muscles for control inputs would work, but I guess your interpersonal communicatio nwould suffer ;-)

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  96. oh I envision a reenactment of total anihilation by tofucubes · · Score: 1

    the arm vs. core...
    anyway it's my favorite game ever especially after downloading a few thousand new units and installing a 5000 unit patch and few races and mods here or there.
    from 1996 and still actively modded

    here's the story

    "Long ago, the galaxy had known peace. Paradise was ruled with the hand of science, and the hand was that of the galactic governing body known as the Core. Ironically, it was the Core's ultimate victory, the victory over death itself, that brought about the downfall of its paradise and started the war that would decimate a million worlds. The immortality process, known as "patterning," involved the electronic duplication of brain matrices, allowing the transfer of consciousness into durable machines. Effectively it meant immortality, and the Core decreed the process mandatory for all citizens in order to ensure their safety. However, there were many citizens unwilling to toss aside their bodies so casually, many indeed who regarded patterning as an atrocity. They fled to the outer edges of the galaxy, forming a resistance movement that became known as the Arm. War began, though it was never officially declared by either side. The Arm developed high-powered combat suits for its armies, while the Core transferred the minds of its soldiers directly into similarly deadly machines. The Core duplicated its finest warriors thousands of times over. The Arm countered with a massive cloning program. The war raged on for more than 4,000 years, consuming the resources of an entire galaxy and leaving it a scorched wasteland. Both sides lay in ruins. Their civilizations had long since vanished, their once vast military complexes were smashed. Their armies were reduced to a few scattered remnants that continued to battle on ravaged worlds. Their hatred fueled by millennia of conflict, they would fight to the death. For each, the only acceptable outcome was the complete and utter annihilation of the other."

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    Some people believe 1-1=3 and for the sake of being politically correct, we should respect their differences
  97. hmmmm by meatspray · · Score: 1

    Dropping implants in muscles you can fire muscles to move. I understand this is still very rudimentary input, but over time it's not a hard stretch to imagine a quad/tetra being able to do simple motor functions with their arms/hands.

  98. Could comatose patients use this? by Wingfield · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't comatose patients be able to use this technology, in order to communicate. PAtients in comas can hear and think while tey're in this state, or so I've heard. So wouldn't doctors be able to implant these chips inside a person in a coma, and communicate?

  99. The problem is personal choice by Crag · · Score: 1

    The problem I see is that you fail to make clear what the real problem is. It's only scary when the implants are _required_. As long as indiviuals have real choice in the matter, I don't see a problem with it. I would support thought-control chips for those who elected to get them. I would never get one of my own. As long as it's truely voluntary it's not slavery.

    The issue does get more complicated then people are presented the choice of "get an implant or pay 'you might be dangerous' fines." A choice between two unwanted options is not freedom.

    This is the same objection I have to any state mandates. Public education is great. Mandatory public education is less great. National ID cards don't bother me. Mandatory identification bothers me. Helping the homeless is nice. Prohibiting homelessness bothers me. Helping people pick them selves up from financial disaster is probably good for society. Requiring people to have jobs until they're 55 and then requiring them to retire is a bad idea.

    Etc.

    1. Re:The problem is personal choice by justin12345 · · Score: 1

      Here is a scenario (I'm assuming a distant future where the technology has developed significantly and has many common uses and abuses.):

      Since the brain has to adapt to the electrodes in order to use them, what if the "chips" will only work really well if they are implanted in children. Children can learn languages without an accent, what if the same is true of these devices.

      It seems within the realm of possibility that this could be the case. It also raises serious questions about freedom of choice. If you have to get the implant by 13, who makes the decision, you or your parents (or of course... the state)?

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  100. The greatest possibility I see by thelastguardian · · Score: 0

    is computer gaming. Given that 90$ of CS players complain that their mouse/keyboard sucks, this technique could effectively ruin the losers^H^H^H newbies' favourite excuse.

  101. Life Imitates Sci-Fi...again by Antisquark · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the first step towards Peter F. Hamilton's "Neural Nanonics". http://www.twbookmark.com/books/48/0446610275/chap ter_excerpt14614.html

  102. Remote Control? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If a TV remote was controlled by thought alone, how could you prevent it from constantly flipping back to the Playboy channel?

    No honey, really, I was thinking about you!

  103. Let Me Know When by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1


    I can use one to control my companion robot's plasma cannon so I can fry some asshole just by thinking about it.

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    Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
  104. Political Correctness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "[...] return ability to those with disability [...]"

    But then they wouldn't be differently abled. They'd just be abled. And they wouldn't get those really great parking spots.

    Sorry. It'll never happen.

  105. Re:Transhumanism by TLSPRWR · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting for the day my Playstation orders a mod chip for me...
    Only the Soviet Russia models will...

  106. Johnny Mnemonic... by runamok1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The other day I was thinking of this sort of thing in the context of having a huge storage unit connected to your eyes, ears, brain, etc. So that everything you see, hear and think(?) would be recorded for later review if you so choose.

    Then I was thinking what the MPAA would do to you if you went into a movie theater.

    Shaky Cam indeed!

  107. not a big deal by idlake · · Score: 1

    This will eventually probably just be carried out at birth. The procedure will likely hardly be much more involved than an injection or circumcision.

  108. Noob! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot your tinfoil hat!

  109. Re:oh I envision a reenactment of total anihilatio by ashchap2 · · Score: 1

    it's the only 9 year old game i still play!

  110. Fat kids by Matt_Joyce · · Score: 1


    Great for disabled dudes, but let's not give fat idle kids another reason to not get off their arses.

    I for one would rather have incomming data feeds rather than thought control.

  111. Woo hoo by IgLou · · Score: 1

    I can't wait for the first person who ends up linked on the net like that...
    Will we be able to hack their brain? :P

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  112. Seen it first hand! Amazing. by breakinbearx · · Score: 1

    I recently visited the University of Michigan. in their engineering dept., some graduate students are working on miniature electronics that can solve parkinson's jitters, monitor bloodflow in an artery, and restore hearing in deaf people. some of the research in this area is just plain amazing. there was a video of a man with parkinson's, and an implant in his brain. the implant is about 1 cm x .5 cm x .25 cm. with no power to the implant, the man's right arm jittered like crazy. as they upped the power to the implant, the man slowly grew to gain complete control of his arm, no jitters. some amazing tech.

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  113. HMM (^_-) by DemonREA · · Score: 1

    Control the cursor or themselves? sound fishy. Ill leave it at that

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  114. I completely agree .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must say I agree so much with your arguments on the dangers of robotics arms controlled by the human brain, that we should not only outlaw robotic arms, but get rid of the normal arms as well.

    It's not guns that kill people, it is arms that kill people. No pun intended. Avoid irony when found.

  115. Beowolf cluster of people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a Beowolf cluster of people???

    Yes. It's a logistical nightmare, trust me.

  116. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +5, Funny! Just follow the link (don't worry, it's safe).

  117. What about a helmet instead of implant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about developing the technology to a point where you could put this into a headband, helmet, earpiece, ect... That would completely take away from the control that the device had on you, you could remove it at any time, as if you'd want to.

    In my imagination this device would have a huge impact on society that it's bound to happen. More importantly, we should discus the ethics of such a device, something that would replace cellphones, input devices to computers, tv's, lights in your house, you could control your car, airforce pilots could control their airplanes, we could seamlessly control our internet chats by thinking the thought and communicate effortlessly without any language barriers (interpretor software that converts your thoughts into another language) Honestly I would love to be involved in the process of creating such a device for the home that would allow you to communicate with family in the home, alerts you to intruders, allows you control of your electronics, lights, stove, water temp in bathroom and faucet control, and computer usage.... Where can I get one?

    Pretty much, it's gonna happen, better to get with the ethics talks now.

  118. Woot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    World of Warcraft here I come.