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Dell to Get Into Cell Phones in 2006
prostoalex writes "BrightHand looks into the future of Dell Axim PDA line. X30 will be discontinued, X50 will get another update of Windows Mobile, and pretty soon Dell might be entering the cell phone business with PDA+phone Axim combo. The phone line will replaces the X50 model in mid-2006."
Dell level 1 tech support is what we need for cell phones.
Are you currently a live human being? Do you have ears? Is the phone placed next to your ear? Is the phone powered on? Yes, sir, I know that you are talking to me this very minute on the phone in question, but I have to ask these questions in order to escalate your call. Once again, is the phone powered on?
The biggest use of a pda is to keep track of appointments, take notes, and hold contact information - all of which my nokia 6230 can do NOW! PDAs are dying.
Although this seems like a mistake, Dell may actually be able to encourage the market on cheaper smart phones. The article, if you read, went into absolutely no detail about the phone but one can assume it is a smartphone. With competitive forces like Dell (which seems to be all dell is good at as of late) Treo and Blackberry are going to have a run for their money. I am all for more choices and better competition in this market, but to whom will they offer their services will be the next question. Will it be a brand specific deal, or will they provide to the masses and make it available to all major carriers?
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now we can enjoy that famous dell quality and rebranding of other people's products in phones, tool...with my old university's experience with the poor quality of their laptops I just gotta wonder why so many institutions buy them
replacing it with NEW Folger's Crystals! (lets see if they notice the difference)
What we may be seeing is the start of essentially the phone clones. Imagine the offerings from most of the large manufacturers being essentially identical, perhaps three or four models, all looking broadly the same as their competitors equivalents, differing from competitors by battery life, probably running the same firmware. You might get the basic no-frills phone, similar to a Nokia 61xx series, a slightly more advanced colour phone with a camera, a PDA phone that's literally a pen-based PDA with GSM/UMTS built-in, and an expensive slimline phone. That's the future of phones, much as every PC manufacturer produces essentially low-end and high-end PC-clones, differing from competitors by case colour, and laptops.
From a technologists standpoint, it's also depressing. Phones remain a relatively closed platform, with only limited opening up in the form of the occasional J2ME implementation, usually badly implemented and slow, or Symbian/WinCE platform, both of which are designed to be as closed as the phone manufacturer chooses. The idea of being able to get independent development environments, independent convertors and compilers (on an off-topic note: why do we now call compilers "linkers" and use the word "compiler" to refer to code converters? That's just dumb. I used to think it was only tech-illiterates that used it that way around, but it's slipped into normal usage. People: It's a "C convertor", not a "C compiler". You can't get language compilers, compilers compile - Compile (tr.v): To put together or compose from materials gathered from several sources: compile an encyclopedia - object code to produce executables) so people can create new software for their phones and make them genuinely friendly to them is unlikely, and probably going to become less likely the more phones become commodities. In some ways that's ironic, as the opposite happened to personal computing, but in personal computing people were directly buying PCs rather than trying to get them from phone service companies.
Will this essentially be the end of the diversity we see from Nokia's 9xxx series to the Treo to all manner of other technologies? I hope not, but I fear Dell wouldn't be interested if the industry wasn't going in this direction. If it happens, expect Nokia and Sony Ericsson to become also-rans, or else shadows of their former selves, to the Nokias and SEs of today what HP was to the HP of old.
I guess, whatever else, time will tell.
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A company already entrenched in a saturated market (hardware/computer retailer), branching out into an even more saturated market (cell phones)? Sounds like a winning plan there.
That is what im waiting for :-) Darn carriers wont let it happen cause there all starting there own music stores :-(
Wonderful!
Now if I'm lucky enough and USPS stops to bounce my pda around Europe I'll get it some days before it gets obsolete...
HP phones are good but they are VERY expensive
its a no brainer for dell as intel provides the hardware and MS the OS
its what all the support + blackberry people want as you can actually get decent applications written for them
dont cripple them dell allow any sim card to be put in and they will sell by the bucket load
bluetooth (for headphones) and wifi(for corp data) a must
I hope they come to the UK market
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The new phone comes with an outsourced # key that connects you directly with their outsourced technical support. Only $4.99 per minute, press 1 for partial-English, all others please hold for the next available representative.
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heres how its going to go down dell "thank you for calling dell my name is todd how can i help you" customer "yeah i think my battery is dead" dell "have you tried a system restore" customer "what!? no?" dell "well you need to do that if not it sounds like you need a new hard drive" customer "how is that even remotely possible!?........fine send me the hard drive"
Well, assuming Dell keeps up with its current trend, they will be including an Intel chip inside this future one. Not that Intel chips are bad, but it seems everything they build has an Intel chip in it!
Great...Now I'm going to have to listen to geeks talking about how they upgraded from a cellphone to a dellphone.
Practicing for a commentator position in a tech magazine?
All they need to do is sell them unlocked with 802.11b data and VoIP support. At first they will cost a boatload, but it will help push other manufacturers away from carrier lock in. If anyone can supply data services, I see an entire new market for WiFi to the phone.
If I could cover most of your city with WiFi, would you pay $10 a month for unlimited data at 1MB/s to your phone?
for the iPhone.
10 ?"Hello World" life was simple then
we don't need to have dell in cell phones too my grandma is already having a hard enough time trying to understand the foreigners on the other end already now when she buys the cell phone she has to listen to them again. Well at least we know that dell just wants out money and not wanting to put jobs in the America
This could be what finally gets me to buy a cell phone. I've held out on phones because they don't do enough else to make me buy one (or they can do things like calendar and note-taking, but I prefer in interface of my day planner), and I've held out on PDAs because they're expensive and also aren't superior to my day planner. But if Dell markets a well-designed phone with serious computing power and a good interface, that may be the killer app that finally drags me kicking and screaming into the market. Here's hoping they can sell real multi-function phones with the quality and price that they've been providing computers at.
They must bring back that pothead to do the commercials. Dell is nothing without him.
I am scientifically inaccurate.
So far, my current P910 thinks that closing the flip means I'm done, doesn't syncronise with Outlook properly (all my mobile numbers are labelled as work), runs dog slow, can't call up numbers quickly to dial them, the keyboard doesn't suggest words, no quick way to enter a capital letter (no swipe-up movement like with Microsoft), inconsistent GUI including a complete failure to sort my applications by anything resembling alphabetically.
Sure, the PocketPC phone editions have their issues too (random bugs requiring a restart, pitiful Outlook support, poor ActiveSync which often has problems syncing an appointment for an "unspecified error") but with Microsoft snapping a the heels, hopefully the quality bar will increase.
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I switched on a business show on Fox News just deal with it, OK? They have decent business shows.) over the weekend, and the announcer, in his "what's coming up next" blurb, excitedly said, "you'll be able to watch television on your cell phone soon!" And all I can think about is how intercell handoffs still vastly suck even here in 2005 A.D, half my cell calls sound like they are from a deep sea submersible and how there's still dead zones even in metropolitan Los Angeles.
Why am I supposed to be excited about this? Where's the truly NEW stuff? Say what you will about Tivo, but that was a device that fundamentally changed the way I do things in terms of entertainment. I actually watch less TV more efficiently because of it. I want things that make my life easier, not flashy gadgets that are created simply for the gee-whiz factor.
Maybe I've seen too much. Maybe it's because I design stuff so far beyond things like this that I'm difficult to impress. I dunno... just getting old and pragmatic, perhaps.
I dunno... if they do that I might have to issue a fatwa against them. Bringing back that tool to the airwaves is total jihad time.
Dell recommends Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional (it says so on their handhelds page) and offers only Intel® XScale(TM) processors in their handhelds.
The problem is that most cell phones aren't sold at what they're worth. They are sold at a loss, the price being subsidised by the major carriers. This is why the iPod phone between Apple and Motorola is being delayed. No one wants to subsidize it, becase the carriers are being greedy.
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As I see it right now, Apple could sell a GPRS phone outright with no problems. Plug in a sim card and you're good to go. The problem is, most people aren't willing to shell out $600 for a phone. $300, maybe, but not $600.
Sprint ("The first to build our own, all digital network from the ground up.") and CDMA technology is stagnating, and to make matters worse, you can't use just any CDMA phone, you have to use one they've approved.
The main reason I'm looking to move to a GPRS carrier when my contract is up. I want a bluetooth phone that will nicely sync with iSync, and for extra credit I want either a native imap client (not a java one, that's what I use now) or native ssh. My Sony-Ericson, Sprint forsaken phone is buggy as all get out. I can't even answer a phone call while in hands-free mode. The call gets garbled.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
You guys are always complaining that they don't make a phone "that should only make calls" and without any auxiliaries? This is the answer - a smartphone from _Dell_!
Apple is also getting into the phone market.
With in 4 months Apple will release a phone using custom hardware and software that will be years ahead of anything else currently on the market. It will have more features yet be simple to use because of its revolutionary one-button interface.
Within 12 months Dell will release a phone with twice as many features(only a quarter of which actually work), 104-key keypad with 24 programmable hot-keys and an AM/FM radio... for half the price.
PC's have been able to do "alternative 'entertainment' usage" for a long time. The only thing that's changed is people catching on. That's slow witted people having an ipifany, not innovation.
Same deal with your first "innovation" bullet point; More people using something does not equal innovation.
Steve (the Dell Dude) was busted buying weed with his new Dell phone...
"Dude, you're getting a Dell... phone"
I miss Steve.
and that move is doing very well. Dell rarely makes mistakes. They do make them but they also make decisions that work very well regardless of industry outlook. Moving into branded printers was decried by many as a waste of time but that hasn't proven so.
/. favorite hardware seller were entering the market the responses would be very different.
Consider their corporate connection and this makes a lot of sense. Where I work is almost now all Dell. It saves time and money to single source many different items. Throwing phones into the mix wouldn't be too much of a stretch. They have established a level of trust with us and many other companies, that can be used to further expand their interest and protect them from being too tightly focused on one industry.
I suspect that if a certain other
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as an owner of an HP iPaq 6315, I think this will be good for the market. The more competition there is in the market for PocketPC phones, the cheaper they'll get and the more they'll try to innovate.
I've had my iPaq since January, and it has definitely impacted my life. I surf the web, play games, and listen to MP3's on the bus, can view the PDF bus schedules if I need to, I can sync with MS money, which is really handy because I'm terrible about keeping a check register. I think if these were cheaper (I got mine used & unlocked off of the company bb for $400) and there were a little more innovation, everyone would want one.
DellPhones?
Kinda like the DellPod as I like to call it.
Truth hurts eh? Does it really matter if the pleabs know that Dell are a bunch of shits? They're suppliers already do so it can't be them that the modder is trying prevent from seeing reality pointed out.
I used to have a normal GSM phone (Ericsson T610). I quickly got used to and then addicted to the organizer functions. The problem was that I was spending to much time trying to work the organizer functions and typing increasingly long texts with that little keypad. I suppose some people can live with spending more than 10 seconds making an entry but I am simply to impatient. Also I quickly decided that I wanted to keep track of my personal expenses with the phone as well and to keep this and other personal information thoroughly encrypted. After taking a look at the Ericsson P800 and P900 series I am now using a HP iPaq 6300 series GSM capable PDA and have never looked back. I can do all of the above and more in a fraction of the time it would take on a normal GSM phone. If anything putting GPS cards in PDA's has given them a new lease of life and if you add GPS they can do things you can never dream of doing with a GSM phone. Yes they are big but they also come with an awful lot of functionality a GSM phone does not have with its display that is raely bigger than a stamp and a set of applications you have to work with a tiny keypad never designed for the purpose. What I'd really like to see is a combination PDA+iPod+GSM phone with Bluetoot/Wifi, the type of snap on accessories of the iPod and that runs some form of embedded OS.X or Linux.
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And nobody ever uses the term "linker" to refer to either a compiler or an assembler. They use it to refer to a program that links the object code produced by the assembler to to static blocks of code that get stuck on the beginning and end of the object code to form an executable. Early computers didn't have linkers to do this; you had to put the specially-marked decks of punch-cards at the beginning and end of the object code for it to run.
Finally, maybe some of the other companies, (Fido, Rogers, Telus, Bell), can join me in my little boat.
Dell has sucked my consulting business pretty much dry.
Now they get to see first hand what it feels like when your market is assimilated right from under you.
Time to short some stocks and just become another Dell zombie?
Seems our business climate these days are all about driving out competition and innovation through patents and outsourcing into foreign markets.
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Seriously, how is this news?Is it me or have there ben a rash of "on the verge of", "poised to" and "may at some point in the future" posts this last few days?
The correct line is "BSD is dying".
will it get into cell phones with AMD?
Your rebuttle isn't applicable to the AC's post, who was replying to amichalo(who equated increase usage and awareness to innovation).
You're getting a cell!
Dude! You're getting a cell!
...the weirdest part about this is, DELLRumors hasn't said a peep about this yet!
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I used to be into PDAs, but the stupid bricks that are being pushed onto the market are obtuse, non-useful, and geared towards being sold, not towards usefulness.
I get far more usefulness from my old Nokia 3650 than I ever did from my fleet of Palms, PocketPCs, and others -- contact lists, calendar/alarm, games, news, and communication with other people.
I might like a Dell, though I'd use it more for wearable wardriving, than as a PDA.
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for VOIP via WiMax. IMO fear of WiMax VOIP will push the cell phone companies to offer better bandwidth for IP traffic in order to compete. or are we gonna see the cell phone companies offering WiMax?
Personally I'd be extremely interested in such a device - If it could improve on the few failings of the iMate Jam I'd pretty much be sold - to my mind all the Jam needs is onboard wireless and more onboard memory to be about perfect - I suppose a better camera would be nice but for me thats an irrelevance - I'm on my third camera phone and all but never use them :)
BTW, I have a TracFone signed up to Verizon/Alltel. I kept track of the SysID/NetID codes, so I know this.
PDA phones are awesome, I own the Siemens SX66. However, I don't think Dell should be venturing into the PDA phone market in terms of producing just another GSM or CDMA phone for specific carriers in the US or abroad. They could always sell unlocked phones, but for some reason I doubt they will. Look at the HPaq 6315 PDA phone as an example. HP could have sold it unlocked outright with all the vendors they have, but they don't.
If Dell wants to beat out HP and their iPaq and all the new PDA phone vendors coming through the fray (like BenQ, Samsung, etc.), what they should do is: 1) sell the device unlocked, 2) quietly bolster hotspot development like T-Mobile's wifi hotspots, or even behind-the-scene ISP's such as speakeasy (which has a great TOS that allows you to share your broadband), 3) buy out VoIP services like Skype, SIPphone, or FreeWorldDialup and finally, 4) develop a kickass PDA application for VoIP on their wifi enabled PDA, that works well with your bluetooth headset, has voice dialing, call history list, caller ID, conferencing, all the accoutrements, etc. That application alone could make or break sales of the new PDA. If there was such an application pre-built/pre-installed on the X50, I would have bought that device long ago. Free calls using my wifi network that is comparable to my cell phone in functionality!?! It's a no-brainer.
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Dude! Can you hear me now!? ...oh wait, they got rid of that guy. (*sigh of relief*)
...Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed.
You sign up for GSM if you're always going to be in the UP of Michigan/northern Wisconsin/easter Minnesota. It's 800 MHZ GSM, only. If you go to Milwaukee Chicago, you're shit out of luck, because that's 1900 MHz. TMobile doesn't work in the sticks, because it's 1900MHz only.
Verizon was the biggest phone company, until Cingular nabbed AT&T. AT&T is currently a hodgepodge of TDMA and analog.
GSM phones never have analog.
CDMA phones usually do. If you travel, get a triband CDMA, that's 800/1900 CDMA+analog. It'll always work.
I know you said you don't use Orange, but they are launching the Treo 650 tomorrow:
"Official launch of the Treo 650 in the UK"
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