World of Warcraft Card Game Coming Soon

Klytus writes "GamingReport.com reports that Upper Deck is working with Blizzard Entertainment to release a Collectible Card Game of everyone's favorite MMORPG, World of Warcraft. From the sound of it the cards may also have an impact on your online gameplay as well."

Comments

alright

[Anonymous Coward]

Finally! A reason to beat up the geeky kid next door and take his stuff (in real life).

Re:alright

[Cerdic]

Finally! A reason to beat up the geeky kid next door and take his stuff (in real life).

Since when do we need a reason to beat up the geeky kid next door?

Re:alright

[ackthpt]

Finally! A reason to beat up the geeky kid next door and take his stuff (in real life).

Which is probably what the geeky kid next door to you is thinking at this moment.

I don't honestly know whether to laugh or cry at the vision of two geeks attempting to figure out how to throw a punch or swing a piece of sports equipment (cricket bat, baseball bat, hockey stick, lacrosse stick, etc.) at each other all the while berating each other "all your base are belong to us!", "y3r m0th3r i5 pwn3d!", etc. over cards.

Re:alright

[zippthorne]

You are the geeky kid next door.

Re:alright

[Omkar]

Fuck! Time to hide my stuff...

Re:alright

[Meagermanx]

Alright, alright, I'll give you my stuff! Just don't hit me!

Re:alright

[fallen1]

Yeah... right. I know you were just being funny but here is one thing to think about: I am the geek next door (not a kid) and I own firearms. Which I know how to use _very_ well. I'm definitely not the only "geek" type with firearms either ;-) as I know a LOT of people who could be considered geek/nerd enjoy firearms of all types. Welcome to the well-armed new geek world!

Re:alright

[d34thm0nk3y]

You can't tell me you never made swords out of PVC piping, pipe insulation and duct tape. I ended up breaking a friends nose that way...

Turned out to be a pretty good physics lesson. Padding doesn't do much when the thing is 10 feet long and weighs 20 lbs.

Re:alright

[revery]

I don't honestly know whether to laugh or cry

Don't worry; I imagine our world is quickly converging on the day when if you can't honestly do both and feel good
about it, you'll just need to blink twice to tell your implant to up the dose of your favorite psychotropic drug*.

* which will probably be named something like Happy or Bliss, which is kind of sad**...

** <blink> <blink>

Re:alright

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU STOLE MY FUCKING CLOUDSONG!! http://wowseriousbusiness.ytmnd.com/

Gimmicky product

[BlackCobra43]

2BBB, Enchantment Tap : Produce one 0/1 Gimmick token with ability "This creature cannot attack or block" and "Cannot be the target of spells or abilities". This creature dies after 3 turns and wasting a sizeable portion of the parent card's revenue in lost production, distribution andadvertising

Re:Gimmicky product

[Anonymous Coward]

Since when Magic the Gathering enchantements require to be tapped to be activated?

Re:Gimmicky product

[BlackCobra43]

Fine, "During your upkeep, (rest of card)"
It's a joke. Laugh or mod it down, don't bog yourself down in details.

Re:Gimmicky product

[sigmoid_balance]

Since they have abilities activated by tapping.

Re:Gimmicky product

[utopianfiat]

They don't have to be tapped to be activated.
They just have to be tapped for their tap abilities to be activated.

Re:Gimmicky product

[cdsr]

Turn in your geek card (pun intended)... MtG enchantments do not tap by definition. There is not a single enchantment that is tapped for any reason.

That is all.

Re:Gimmicky product

[Meagermanx]

They used to, though.

Re:Gimmicky product

[Hawkxor]

Enchantments can be tapped just like any other card. If they are tapped then their effects are disabled. But it is true that enchantments do not have 'tap to do this' abilities.

Re:Gimmicky product

[Anonymous Coward]

Enchantments work the same whether they are tapped or not. There is very rarely a reason to tap an enchantment that is only an enchantment, and few ways to do it.

Re:Gimmicky product

[holy_robot]

Enchantments function regardless of their tapped state. The only tapped enchantment I can think of (and this is old) is a Lucid, which is a creature that taps to turn itself into a local enchantment (which now seems to be called an Aura in 9th).

Re:Gimmicky product

[cdsr]

No... they can't.

I can see it's been a while since you've played, the "tap to deactivate" rule went out with 6th edition I believe -- and was only valid for artifacts.

For example, the latest text on Winter Orb (an artifact) is the following: "As long as Winter Orb is untapped..."

Enchantments have NEVER tapped, it is stated clearly in the rules that they do not tap. No existing card causes an enchantment to tap, even Icy Manipulator can't target an enchantment.

Re:Gimmicky product

[cdsr]

What you're thinking of is a 'Licid,' but you have it backwards. Licids are *creatures* that tap to become an enchantment not the other way around.

Encantments do not tap.

Re:Gimmicky product

[cdsr]

If you could give an example of a way to tap an enchantment (as you say, that is only an enchantment) I will be greatly shocked and humbled. Because, as I've said before, enchantments do not tap.

Re:Gimmicky product

[wed128]

There up to 9th edition now? i stopped playing right around when 6th edition came out, and only then because i moved and couldn't find anyone to play against. I need to start hanging around the comic shops more often...

Re:Gimmicky product

[Anonymous Coward]

You can tap a Day of Destiny to untap an Honor-Worn Shaku.

BlizzCon

[Unsus]

They just announced that they will release card to people who attend their Blizzard Convention (http://www.blizzcon.com/swag.shtml). Not sure if they attend to sell them as well, or only give them out at special events.

Re:BlizzCon

[PhilippeT]

At least try to read...

Another souvenir item you'll find in your special BlizzCon goody bag is a full deck of BlizzCon playing cards, encased in a uniquely decorated box and decked out with Blizzard artwork from the Warcraft, Diablo, and StarCraft series.

That means regular cards... you know so you can play solitaire while waiting for a 40 man raid to organize it self. Or like myself while you keep conjuring water and watching everyone else kill stuff during the raid.

Re:BlizzCon

[Unsus]

At least try to read... I just said they were going to be releasing cards at BlizzCon as well. I've never said they were the collectible ones referred to in the article; your rudeness was rather uncalled for. I would assume that Upper Deck is making these "regular" cards as well.

Re:BlizzCon

[Raelus]

Another souvenir item you'll find in your special BlizzCon goody bag is a full deck of BlizzCon playing cards, encased in a uniquely decorated box and decked out with Blizzard artwork from the Warcraft, Diablo, and StarCraft series.

Will this include "artwork" created by players for Starcraft in the Sexy Pics maps?

Re:BlizzCon

[Anonymous Coward]

At least try to read... I just said they were going to be releasing cards at BlizzCon as well. I've never said they were the collectible ones referred to in the article; your rudeness was rather uncalled for. I would assume that Upper Deck is making these "regular" cards as well.

First off no reason to assume that because they're making a ccg/tcg they're also behind the WOW-themed deck. One has nothing to do with the other. just like your comment has nothing to do with the article. The 'rudeness' wasn't uncalled for we all just assumed you would be commenting on topic. Since you weren't it is your comment which was uncalled for. Everyone/anyone would have assumed you were talking about the ccg/tcg cards. You were foolish for not stating otherwise.

Cards for Cash

[Frastolator]

Look out eBay!

Lag?

[n00dles]

To replicate the online experience, do they include a syringe of codeine with each pack?

Re:Lag?

[SCVirus]

Codeine? You really haven't been around have you. Hell a codeine overdose can barely cure a headache.

"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[Musteval]

Night Elf: *walking along* Orc: I WILL SELL YOU CARDS Tauren: 700 GOLD UBERBOSS CARD Human: CHEAP CARDS CHEAP CARDS Another Orc: COME TO MY SHOP WWW.EB4Y.COM COME NOW Night Elf: *takes out sword* Disclaimer: I do not actually play WoW.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[BaudKarma]

Sounds like you don't need to. You've got the in-game experience pretty well nailed.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[Musteval]

Damn you HTML Formatted! Should be:

Night Elf: *walking along*
Orc: I WILL SELL YOU CARDS
Tauren: 700 GOLD UBERBOSS CARD
Human: CHEAP CARDS CHEAP CARDS
Another Orc: COME TO MY SHOP WWW.EB4Y.COM COME NOW
Night Elf: *takes out sword*

Disclaimer: I do not actually play WoW.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[Ghent99]

Damn you HTML Formatted! Should be:

WTS ~ Preview Button -- LOWER THAN AH!!

Preview Button ftw~!

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[Anonymous Coward]

You have a flaw there, in the fact that the alliance cannot understand the horde and vise versa.

The Night Elf walking along would of only gotten gibberish from the orcs and tauren, but would have understood the human. So if they wanted to keep some faith that all of society hasn't crumbed, they could pretend the gibberish was an intelligent conversion.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[Musteval]

Thus the disclaimer.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[DigiShaman]

Actually, I'm curious to know if these new cards will contain a special code to access an item to add to your player inventory online. Regardless, I'm sure it's a one-time use only thing if possible.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[Quikah]

The article states that each pack will contain a lottery type scratch off ticket which will contain codes for appearance alterations for your toon. Doesn't seem too exciting to me.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[Rayonic]

Ironically enough, there *are* already collectable cards in-game. There is no gameplay associated with these cards -- you just collect a whole set and turn it in for an uber prize.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[flupps]

You'd be surpised how accurate your scenario is since the patch they added the Darkmoon Faire.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[KevMar]

[1. General][Wizrd] can i have gold
[4. Looking For Group][Bigboot] LFG URBS
[2. Trade][Thatguy] WTS DEVIATE DELIGHT 2G
[2. Trade][Thor] enchanting 3/5/7 dmg 2H, 3/4/5 dmg 1H, fiery, icy, crusader, runspeed, mount speed, 22 int, 15 agi, pst
[1. General][Wizrd] can I have a gold
[4. Looking For Group][Bradley] Need Priest for barron raid
[1. General] than you
[2. Trade][Brute] Mage, GIVE ME WATER!
[1. General][whocat] Someone sign my guild charter
[2. Trade][Thatguy] WTS DEVIATE DELIGHT 2G
[2. Trade][Thor] enchanting 3/5/7 dmg 2H, 3/4/5 dmg 1H, fiery, icy, crusader, runspeed, mount speed, 22 int, 15 agi, pst
[1. General][Ander] hay Wizrd, you are a lvl 5, go lvl
[1. General][Wizrd] im brok, i need gold
[2. Trade][Ghosthunter] I'll give 1G to whoever finds me.
[1. General][Ander] go lvl, thats why you are broks
[4. Looking For Group][Bigboot] 60 Rogue LFG URBS
[4. Looking For Group][Bradley] Need Priest for barron raid
[2. Trade][Thatguy] WTS DEVIATE DELIGHT 2G
[2. Trade][Spikey] [Glowing Bright Wood Staff] 800G in AH now
[1. General][Wizrd] can i have gold plz
[2. Trade][candice] WTB [Ace of Beasts], pst
[2. Trade][Thor] enchanting 3/5/7 dmg 2H, 3/4/5 dmg 1H, fiery, icy, crusader, runspeed, mount speed, 22 int, 15 agi, pst

now repeat that over and over and over and that is the big city experience you get in a major city.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[PaganRitual]

That is totally wrong. No one uses the Trade/LFG channels. They spam all their shit in the General chan.

Maybe it's just Blackrock (highly unlikely), but the only two channels I log into are General and Local Defense. 99% of the posts on General are either some moron posting the same LFG/LFM request 5 times every 10 seconds or 4 line enchantment selling spam.

Oh for the days of housing and vendors ala UO.

Re:"May have an impact on the online game as well"

[ottothecow]

I dunno what goes on on your server (maybe you play allianc?) but on Smolderthorn, people are pretty good about trading in the trade chan, grouping in the group chan, etc. I think it helps that you cant shift-click items into general chat and the people who are looking for good groups understand that many plays simply /leave the general chat so they dont have to see the garbage.

Great news!

[wfberg]

Great news! This mean my co-workers can now chat about WoW incessantly during work AND play a version of Wow during lunch break, so they won't run out of things to say to each other in the afternoon! They'll never have to leave their fantasy world at all!

Re:Great news!

[msisden]

I used to work at the help desk in a computer science department. With laptops, many students were either talking or playing constantly, if not they were talking about it WHILE playing. And yes, they formed groups together. When I go back to the fall, I will have the joy of watching them play online, while waiting for their turn in the card game, while talking about both.

Re:Great news!

[SilentChris]

Wfberg meets entertainment. "It burns! It burns!" Geez, people can't enjoy themselves?

Re:Great news!

[KKin8or]

I have coworkers who go to a cafe with wireless access and play WoW during lunch. No card game needed!

Re:Great news!

[SoLO]

You act like that's a bad thing.

Not unexpected

[Psionicist]

I'm not surprised. There already exist a Warcraft pen and paper RPG based on the d20 system, so a card game is the next logical step. The paper RPG is actually very good though, so I wouldn't shout "sold out" just yet. I don't like the sound of the game affecting your play ingame though...

Re:Not unexpected

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, they're not planning on releasing unless they are completely satisfied with the product (although that might just be their way of fighting off vaporware syndrome for when something goes wrong.) And it doesn't sound like it's going to actually affect gameplay so much as allow you to customize your appearance a little bit.

Re:Not unexpected

[fireduck]

Not only is there already an RPG version of Warcraft, but there are 2 boardgames: A warcraft game based on warcraft 3 which has been out for around a year now, and an upcoming world of warcraft game board game, which is still in development, but looks absolutely insane.

Re:Not unexpected

[MemeRot]

Well there was a Warcraft Fantasy Role-Playing Game as far back as 15 years ago. It had an awesome, intuitive combat system with very minimal dice rolling. It was my favorite role-playing game of all time. I'm sad to see them falling in line with the cumbersome AD&D type systems. AD&D type systems are why people flocked to computer RPGs in the first place, just too complex and annoying.

Re:Not unexpected

[aevan]

AD&D has nothing on cumbersome compared to say Roll-Master.

Anyhow, I never viewed people having went to CRPG becuase of the 'cumbersome system'-I've yet to see a CRPG that really emphasised the role-playing aspect. Some are more like watching a movie then actually playing a game, and others are limited in choices (not stat/build, but as in personal interactions).

Combat-centric areas CRPG trump PnP in speed, but overall are just limited. A solid DM/GM/Storyteller (pick what you want to call the person) can go with the party and respond to their actions. All CRPGs that I know of end up being nothing more then preset dialogues and limited choices, and have a high propensity towards being hack&slash.

Personally I always the superiority of a CRPG was in the not needing a group or DM. I didn't need 4 other people there, or someone to have a campaign ready at that moment-I could just load up Bard's Tale on my 64. With work, family, distances, getting together is just plain difficult and the CRPG gives your 'fix'.

Honestly the only annoyance i've ever heard voiced in PnP gaming over the last few decades was 'gamers' hating being kept in character and not allowed tabletack to dominate. In the MMORPGs I play it's the reverse: most people are chatting about outside-the-game-details, or speaking in stats ("Oh, he has x HP and y DEF, we have a 30% chance to win this, want to go get your monk instead?").

The newer games are much improved over the older, but still I'd imagine the *majority* of RPG players don't RP their characters. Those players wouldn't be attracted to the PnP play since it's more on RP then combat (e.g. Whitewolf system). Powergamers would prefer CRPG, RPrs would prefer PnP, and Munchkins would prefer whichever gives the most +s. :P

Re:Not unexpected

[MemeRot]

I have yet to play a single MMORPG actually (no time). But years ago I was heavily into MUDs. On my favorite one people were fairly good at staying within their character, usually because you joined a guild that rewarded good characters for acting good, and evil characters for acting evil. Hack and slash is much more fun in a visual game, so the text-based system probably helped in that aspect.

How Addictive...

[__aaclcg7560]

Is WOW: The Card Game going to be as addictive as Magic: The Gathering was? I practically kicked out of the university because of Magic in the mid-90s. Of course, playing Risk (the board game, we didn't own any PCs back then) until the early hours of the morning didn't help.

Re:How Addictive...

[adnausium]

im gathering you werent in any risk of being kicked out of a frat house though....

Re:How Addictive...

[__aaclcg7560]

I wasn't living in a frat house. Just me and three other college guys renting an apartment down the street from the university. When we weren't working and pretending to study, we were playing Magic or Risk. The slacker culture was fun while it lasted.

One of my roommates played Metroid for the Super Nintendo for 48 hours straight until he completed the game and then slept for the next three days. Unfortunately, that was during finals week and his parents weren't too thrilled about that. He ended up moving back in with his parents for two years to be under adult supervision until he graduated.

Re:How Addictive...

[homerskid]

You'll be happy to know there is an online version of Magic: The Gathering at http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/magicon line

Re:How Addictive...

[Meagermanx]

Don't tell him!!
Oh well, the damage has been done.
They used to have a great free program called MTGPlay, but the Wizards lawyers threatened them with a lawsuit, so they turned it into Octagon. Check out www.cardfloppers.com if you're interested.

Re:How Addictive...

[tntguy]

I wasn't living in a frat house.

Wooooooooooosh!

busted!

[sewagemaster]

just make sure you don't get busted by your mom!

Brion is in trouble.
Brion was in WoW till 2am.
Brion's mom plays WoW.
Brion's mom Grounded Brion.
Haha Brion

or wear this t-shirt while playing

Re:busted!

[IsoRashi]

Here is where that comes from... 5th post down.

Re:busted!

[JeTmAn81]

Is that a haiku?

MOD PARENT DOWN

[Anonymous Coward]

"multiple levels of homoerotic game play"

Sigh.

Re:Mod parent down

[Anonymous Coward]

Are you homophobic?

I'm a heterosexual but I'm not one of those anti-sexualist puritans like we have in government who fines people for nipples exposed.

Get over it.

Re:Mod parent down

[Meagermanx]

I think they're making jabs at his maturity, not his sexuality.

Addiction?

[newandyh-r]

In other words they are try to combine two of the most effective ways of extracting money from punters (CCGs and on-line games)

Re:Addiction?

[_Sharp'r_]

At some point they'll stop the subterfuge and just advertise special abilities, bonuses and in-game items if you send the company cash directly, instead of making people buy a bunch of playing cards to get them.

Re:Addiction?

[monkey23]

Sure, once micropayments are cost-effective, I could imagine "Click here to accept a 10 cent charge to have lockbox unlocked by vendor". If they offered enough of them, they could just add it to the monthly billing cycle (or subtract from the cash account) and not even worry about the transactional cost. People are lazy. They would flock to these types of services. then add in the "Magmadar has a Fear AOE. Equip your Raid party with 50% Fear resist trinkets for $10. Click here to accept" and you've instantly got more cowbell.

Re:Addiction?

[Mondoz]

You were just killed by Level 52 Warrior {Character Name}.

Release your spirit to the graveyard, then come back here for your corpse.
[Click: free]

Instantly resurrect with 100% HP & 100% MP.
[Click: $0.50]

Instantly resurrect with 1500% HP & 1500% MP for 4 minutes.
[Click: $1.00]

Instantly kill {Character Name}.
[Click: $3.00]

Instantly kill {Character Name}, all {Character Name}'s guild members', family members, and a few other random people for good measure.
[Click: $20.00]

Win the game.
[Click: $100.00]

One With Everything

[Doc Ruby]

My favorite MMORPG, a LARP, has had a card game for many years. Hail Eris!

Re:One With Everything

[Doc Ruby]

Moderation -1
    100% Offtopic

Apparently I confused the TrollMod. The topic is a MMORPG translated into a card game. I cited a card game based on supposedly real-world activities. That's on-topic, unless Slashdot has devolved to a purely WoW cardgame board. Or perhaps that would be just "evolved".

Re:One With Everything

[LazyPhoenix]

All Hail Discordia! Been ages since I've played a rowdy game of INWO!

A Flaw In The Business Model?

[msisden]

Doesn't this assume that players can drag themselves away from the computer to play the CCG in the first place?

Mod parent down

[Anonymous Coward]

Yet again, the designers are looking at integrating multiple levels of homoerotic game play in an attempt to make play feel similar to the online World of Warcraft.

Cute.

Gambling

[xmuskrat]

Blizzard does not want to have gambling in game (because it's not PC), but they have no problem with scratch off tickets in reality is OK with them. Hmmrm. I guess it's who owns the casio, eh?

Re:Gambling

[wed128]

Seeing as the scratch off tickets all have something, and it's only an avatar modifier anyway, where's the gamble?

Re:Gambling

[xmuskrat]

RTFA.

Upper Deck is looking at having special silver foil cards in packs that once scratched off, like a lottery ticket, could reveal a special code.

http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=1827 1

Uh-Oh, Here We Go Again

[Anonymous Coward]

And so now the argument spills over into Slashdot. Yet Even More Complaints about having to shell out additional real-world money for in-game content in five... four... three....

(And, oh yeah, complaints about how I'm posting on a level 1 alt here.)

Gambling In Game vs IRL

[xmuskrat]

Blizzard does not want to have gambling in game (because it's not P.C.), but they have no problem with real scratch off tickets? Hmmrm. I guess it's who owns the casino, eh?

Artwork

[Psionicist]

Now when I think about it, this is probably not so bad. Blizzard has a very good art department. The art book you get with WoW:Collectors Edition is gorgeous and the drawings in the Warcraft 2 manual were incredibly cool. I might buy a few of these cards if the artwork is good enough.

Examples of Chris Metzen and Samwise art:
http://images.google.com/images?q=chris%20metzen&h l=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr= &safe=off&c2coff=1&q=samwise&btnG=Search

Re:Artwork

[Meagermanx]

Pretty. But I wanna hear about the game mechanics. Then again, I like MUDs, so don't listen to me.

Re:Artwork

[Anonymous Coward]

If you want to see a good collection of their artwork, go check out http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/

Re:Artwork

[Anonymous Coward]

A better place to look may be Sons of the Storm, their homepage: http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/

You are too far away

[Nick of NSTime]

The CCG will need to implement some important WoW features to be successful. These include:

Evade - Players will be able to hold a handmade sign over their head with the text "Evade" if another player plays a hardhitting card.

Laggy spell failure - If Player A hits Player B with a freeze spell, player B must run up and down the room, ultimately stopping directly in front of Player A, rendering the spell's affects worthless.

Facing the wrong way - If Player A is directly facing Player B while throwing down a card, Player A's spells will fail and Player B will get free hits while holding up a sign that says, "You are not facing your enemy."

Lag - When Player A puts down his card, he must stop in midair. During this, Player B may repeatedly hit Player A for 10 seconds.

Re:You are too far away

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm assuming this shit happends in WoW? hahahah

Re:You are too far away

[Kris_J]

If while cutting the decks to see who goes first either player draws a card with a Q anywhere in the title or description the game has a queue. Wait one minute for each card in that deck before playing.

Re:Site's slowing down, Article Text

[chamblah]

Did the original article not use paragraphs either?

I'm sorry but ...

[fewnorms]

...everyone's favorite MMORPG

I'm sorry, but I don't think of WoW as my favourite MMORPG, as there are some out there, *cough*eve online*cough*, which are so much more feature rich, entertaining and engaging for people that like to think ... Not to mention better looking and more geared towards the technological savvy too.
Besides, I prefer playing a game that size with mature people, not whiny 13 and 14 year olds.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[slashrogue]

Wait... you mean generalizations aren't always 100% true for everyone they imply something about? I'd say it's a fair enough generalization considering the game has something like 3.5 million subscribers.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[Hallucienda]

agreed - Eve Online is a superb MMORPG, in a different league to WoW in my opinion.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[kukyfrope]

I'm sorry, but I don't think of [WINDOWS] as my favorite [OS], as there are some out there, *cough*[LINUX]*cough*, which are so much more feature rich, entertaining and engaging for people that like to think ... Not to mention better looking and more geared towards the technological savvy too. Besides, I prefer [DOING TECH SUPPORT] with mature people, not whiny 13 and 14 year olds.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[fewnorms]

Well, in all fairness, WoW had a massive marketing campaign behind it. Eve never did anything of the sort.
And subcribers ... well, let's put it this way, you can have 3.5 million subscribers, but how much of those are actually playing in the same persistent world? Or are still playing at all for that matter? Or how many of those are second accounts? I have/had a WoW account just to try it out, and I don't touch it anymore. Still I would be included in that 3.5mil subscriber number you give.
Contrary, Eve Online has only 65.000 subscribers, and they hope to beat 90.000 by the end of the year. Every single one of them that logs in, actually ends up in the exact same persistent world that the other guys log into. No messing around with 2000-4000 people per server like WoW. We have 13.000 clients connected at the same time, in the same world. I call that impressive.
Now granted, of those 65.000 subscribers, not all of them play all the time. Still, last I heard (the dev team is very open and close to the community there), the subscribed vs. actual playing members are relatively high in Eve.
I do think however that if a survey was done under the WoW subscribers, you'd find by far most are under the age of 20. All I did was mention I don't feel the need to play a game where people go all "Hax! Sploits!", everytime you beat them at something ingame.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[EastCoastSurfer]

WoW to me is a huge let down. I played it for 3-4 months and got a char to 58th level. The graphics were nice, but something just didn't feel right. Plus the kids, omg everywhere. So annoying.

I played DAoC for about 3 years (got it on release day) and I felt a real sense of community, character control ect... that I never got out of WoW. DAoC is by no means a perfect game, but playing WoW left me wondering why so many people do play it? I guess good marketing and the persistent diablo type world drew a lot of people in.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[Meagermanx]

The smaller and lesser known the game you play, the larger the community interaction. If you play a MUD with only 10-15 people online at the same time, you really get to know people. 3.5 million subscribers? You just don't get to know anyone like in a smaller game.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[cnelzie]

Bullshizzle.

    I have been playing MMORPGs since The Legends of Kesmai, prior to Ultima Online and I haven't been even remotely interested in playing WoW, regardless of what all the Hype-Monsters spit out about that game.

    It simply doesn't speak to me.

    3.5 Million Subscribers is nothing anyway. There's way more people online at any given moment then 3.5 million and most of them aren't playing WoW. So, the generalization that everyone is playing WoW is just plain incorrect.

Re:I'm sorry but ...

[C0rinthian]

Ironically, I spotted this the other day. From the Eve Fanfest agenda...

Trading Card Game Sessions
First glimpse of EVE - TCG, sit down and play against the creators and attendees all Friday

The First Months of the WoW TCG

[vjmurphy]

• When you go to the store to buy the cards, you have to wait in a queue.
• Sometimes, while waiting in the line, a guy from the store comes out and tells you the card game is down and you'll have to go home and come back in an hour. By "hour" they mean "day."
• Playing the actual card game is great, once you buy the cards, but the cards burst into flames randomly.
• You can play all the game strategies in about two months. Then you just throw the cards at your friends while they throw theirs at you.
• Penny Arcade declares it the best card game ever.
• A month later, Penny Arcade strips the game of the "best card game ever" title, citing the problems with queuing for buying cards and the aformentioned cards bursting into flames.
• Penny Arcade and PvP Online form a card game rivalry, meeting each other in cities across the nation and throwing cards at each other.
• Every time you play, some jerk starts yelling "Hey, anyone want to play with me?"
• Cries of "Nerf the Card Draw Phase" become common.

Re:The First Months of the WoW TCG

[interiot]

• 8 year olds constantly interrupt you and beg you to give them free gold, give them water, "teleport" them somewhere, lockpick their chest, etc
• people yell so loudly that others can hear them for blocks around, and they choose to only yell about inane stupid things
• every once in a while, someone tries to sell something for 20 times its market price, and 40 people suddenly show up solely for the purpose of heckling them

Re:The First Months of the WoW TCG

[utopianfiat]

Every time you play, some jerk starts yelling "Hey, anyone want to play with me?"
Fixed: Every time you play, some antisocial pre-pubescent-yet-easily-24-year-old dirtlipped acne farm starts yelling...

Sorry, I swear I have no problem with truly unattractive geeks. I just wish some of them had a sense of hygeine and personal space. I mean, if Asia Carerra came up to me with bad breath and got in my face, it wouldn't be very pleasant. I'd still do her in every orfice possible, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

More money for blizzard.

[Anonymous Coward]

What is it with these MMORPG's and their thirst for cash? I pay the 15 bucks a month already, along with the millions of other subscribers. I shouldn't have to see people with 'character alterations' or other goodies just because they have the money to go out and buy these retarded cards.

It's similiar to SOE releasing boring addons to everquest back in the day. Each cost around 40-60 dollars, and if you DIDNT buy it, you had to watch people around you gaining "cool" items. This sounds to me like the same kinda deal. Buy our stuff, or we will make the playing ground uneven for you, the monthly subscriber.

Anyone else feel what im saying?

Re:More money for blizzard.

[Matimus]

What is it with these MMORPG's and their thirst for cash?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they are a business, and a CCG will bring in a lot of money. If everyone buys it, then, from a business standpoint, it was a success. I 'feel' you in that I don't feel like shelling out anymore cash, but it's not like it doesn't make sense.

Re:More money for blizzard.

[Anonymous Coward]

sorry still posting anon but in reply:

I feel this business practice is completly disloyal to people who have invested countless hours in their virutal world. They bought the original title, and pay the montly fee for access to the game. It seems disloyal and unfair to open up other avenues of character advancement to fuel a secondary revenue.

Re:More money for blizzard.

[Haydn Fenton]

I hear ya, but since when do\will companies *really* put customer satisfaction before profit? Sure, some may look like they care, but it may just be a ploy.

Every now and then a good company comes along with the hope of being good to their customers (or simply being the best) and not caring all that much about profit, but if you ask me, there'll come a point where the vast majority either:

• Realise how popular they are and become too greedy to care anymore
• The novelty starts to wear off and they want a little more than fans
• They realise they're a good company and deserve good money for it
• The original brainchild hands over power to someone else who turns out to be too greedy
• They have to make serious money to beat the enemy, but inevitably become the enemy somewhere along the way without realising

Re:More money for blizzard.

[TrappedByMyself]

What is it with these MMORPG's and their thirst for cash?

Wow, you need to get a clue. Blizzard is a company. Blizzard is owned by a publicly traded company. Making money is good. Making more money is even better. Go but a book on Capitalism, you might get some answers.

Re:More money for blizzard.

[leonbev]

Unfortunately, it doesn't sound too much different than how the game is played already. There are tons of people in WoW wearing epic weapons and armor that that they bought with real money outside of the game, which gives them a HUGE advantage in things like dueling and PvP quests.

The only difference now is that Blizzard is endorsing it, instead of turning a blind eye to it like they are currently doing.

Re:More money for blizzard.

[Anonymous Coward]

Clearly, you've never played WoW. You can't buy anything really good in the game because all the good stuff is soulbound on pickup. I have about 5000g in game that I earned in game, and there is pretty much nothing to spend it on.

Re:More money for blizzard.

[geminidomino]

The uber endgame gear maybe, but there's a metric assload of epics on the way up that you can buy. Gut Ripper, Ardent Custodian, Axe of the Deep Woods, Blackguard, &c. that disagree with you.

Of course, thanks to the fools who spend real money for virtual goods, even the legitimate sales of these items is horribly overinflated since, if they can't buy the item, they can buy the gold to buy the item on the AH.

Re:More money for blizzard.

[XxtraLarGe]

One thing you can say for Blizzard is that they do a good job of supporting older games. They've released patches for Starcraft & Dialo 2 so they could be OS X compatible. I doubt it lead to many more sales, but it was really cool of them.

Re:Site's slowing down, Article Text

[poopdeville]

Sorry, I just cut and pasted but forgot to select "Plain Text" when I posted.

But be careful...

[Anonymous Coward]

...if Blizzard catch you with cards up your sleeve, they'll send the Banhammer Squad to kick your door down and confiscate your deck.

Upper Deck Entertainment Press Release

[Anonymous Coward]

Upper Deck Entertainment has a press release available at http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/ude/en/articles .aspx?aid=748

Just one question

[goldspider]

How do I connect to Blizzard's servers so they can validate that I am running a legally-purchased copy of their card game?

Re:Just one question

[bradbeattie]

Now now, let's be fair. This card game isn't being developed by Valve.

Not a flaw Brillian use of server maintenance time

[AHumbleOpinion]

Doesn't this assume that players can drag themselves away from the computer to play the CCG in the first place?

You have to give players something to do during server maintenance, internet outages, power failures, etc.

I'm glad I quit WoW

[bradbeattie]

Because this is just another step towards The Visa Crucible.

Re:I'm glad I quit WoW

[WIAKywbfatw]

What, any more than any of the gazillions of cross-related Pokemon games, etc? Or the Mortal Kombat 3 circus?

Man, if a collectable card game has you worried then go check out the plethora of products that those two franchises I mentioned had surrounding them. And, if you could, get a friend to video you doing it: I'm sure that there are plenty of Slashdotters who want to see what someone's head spontaneously exploding in amazement looks like.

ahh, cashola

[Red Flayer]

So, some online content will only be available by purchasing packs of cards...

Genius, really. Sure beats multi-tiered memberships.

Blizzard could be doing a much better job of promoting itself as a marketing target.

I would hate to see in-game advertising for real-world products, but Blizzard could be capitalizing on its subscriber base more effectively.

So, when do we get WoW Happy Meals, with scratch-off extra game content?

Or a Pepsi under-the-lid promotion?

Careful you don't draw . . .

[base3]

. . . the BnetD card, or jackbooted DMCA-wielding thugs will kick down your door and hand you a subpoena.

I find it odd

[Anonymous Coward]

that I'm sitting here with red eyes because I was up all night playing Magic the Gathering Online. A card game that wants to be a video game, and a video game that wants to be a card game.

Funny how those sort of cross-media conversions work, but we can't make movies based on games, or vice versa, worth a shit.

Re:I find it odd

[shawb]

That's probably because most games don't really have a narrative that translates well into actors doing their thing on screen. What makes games (card, board, video, etc) feel so much more entertaining is that everything that happens to the character/cards/little plastics pieces on the board is happening to you, the gamer. Oh, and the realization that watching other people playing video games just isn't interesting.

And it can be difficult to make a movie into a video game. Actually, I think it's more that movie studios underestimate the actual time and work that go into making one, so whenever they release a crossover game, it's kinda half-done. Except Lucas Arts... a couple of the Star Wars games were pretty fun, even though to me most of them had really clunky interfaces/controls that just took a long time to get used to.

2 Questions

[ARRRLovin]

How much per month?

Which server is everyone going to play on?!?! lol

Yeah, "Brilliant", hit line length limit

[AHumbleOpinion]

Yeah, "Brilliant", hit line length limit

Next... World of Warcraft w/ heroin IV drip

[leftie]

The moment you log in, the software re-connects you to your prepaid supply of official World of Warcraft heroin which is supplied to you through a wrist shunt connected to your mouse. As long as you are logged in and keep your hand on the mouse, you are jones free.

level up

[SolusSD]

ok.. great, but this begs the question, when I level up in the card game or aquire items does Blizzard have a mechanism for transferring them to my WoW account online?

Re:level up

[Anonymous Coward]

I hate to be pedantic, but I figure if I don't point this out, someone else will. This does not beg the question. It may raise the question, but it doesn't beg the question.

For all ages?

[amrust]

Do any adult gamers play these card games?

Or are they just for kids?

I'm being totally serious.

Who buys these, mostly? I've never played any of these. Are they the new board-game fantasy genre or something?

Re:For all ages?

[bano]

I seen a middle aged white guy playing yughio(or whatever it is) with a middle aged foreigner at the game story one day.
I bet the 10year old kids thought he was the coolest because he didnt have a bed time and could play said retarded cardgame all night w/o his mom telling him to goto bed because its a school night.
Truth be told, he probably still lives with his mother, and she yells at him to goto bed.

Re:For all ages?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm pretty involved with a CCG based on "Vampire: the Masquerade". It was Garfield's second attempt at a CCG after magic, with a special eye towards correcting some flaws in Magic (at least as far as multiplayer play was concerned). The dynamics of the game are accurately compared to Diplomacy, FWIW, and it's managed to hold my interest for 10+ years, which is a better track record than most mind-candy has for me. One of the main reasons for this is that White Wolf has been very, very good about not forcing its player-base to "chase the crack". The best stuff is common, and also from the original set, which was vastly overprinted when WotC still had the game.

But as to the playerbase, we're mostly in our 30's, with wives, girlfriends, normal lives and such. Anyone interested in more detail could go here:

http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php

Re:For all ages?

[WeeLad]

My ex-gf and I play Yugioh from time to time and we're in our late 20's. We're very immature though, so it's ok.

Re:For all ages?

[Red Flayer]

Not many adults play these games in the states (unsure elsewhere). I'm sure you could find some, but the games are really directed at the pre-teen and teen markets.

Most adult former players I've spoken to feel that the games are basically just a big fat money-draining time-suck that you can't play by yourself (as opposed to MMORPGs, which are just big fat money-draining timesucks that you can play by yourself*. I do play Yu-Gi-Oh... with my 7-year-old nephew when I look after him. Interestingly enough, the game is too complex for him, so we end up telling stories about the characters on the cards.

*disclaimer: I play MMORPGs

Re:For all ages?

[Anonymous Coward]

Paris, France has the largest number of V:TES players for a single city, at around 70 people. I think at one point Spain had the largest playerbase, but IIRC the US has edged them back out again. I travel around the US to attend tournaments, and I'm going to Budapest for the European Championship this year. In all that time, I've only seen one kid participating. That kid was the 7 year old son of one of the better known players, making him quite the novelty item.

I'm not under any delusions that my little niche hobby is of interest to many people, but it does seem to refute the "CCG's are for kids!" hypothesis.

You mean "Elixir of Euphoria"?

[AHumbleOpinion]

"Heroin", you mean "Elixir of Euphoria"? ;-)

I wonder if "medicinal patches" for a mouse have been patented yet, quick, where's a lawyer?

Make sure your mom doesn't end up playing it too

[tangent3]

Or you will end up like this guy here:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=w ow-realm-cenarioncircle&t=145812&p=1&tmp=1#post145 812

Inconsistencies between card game and online

[charlesbakerharris]

How the hell do they plan to implement lag and downtime into a card game? This game will be nothing like WoW.

Trading card game

[Anonymous Coward]

Gotta catch 'em all! Gotta catch 'em all: POKE... o wait... wrong game...

Great...

[utopianfiat]

Great, I've always wanted even _more_ antisocial, nerdy, squealy geeks to hardcore scream "YOU FUCKING ZERGED MY CLOUDSONG!"

Good to see that Blizzard...

[convex_mirror]

...is doing its part to promote abstinence.

Re:Good to see that Blizzard...

[utopianfiat]

If I had mod points, I would take a sharpie to your forehead and write (+5, Funny)

Re:Good to see that Blizzard...

[convex_mirror]

That would be so all the hot night-elf babes I meet would see my 1337 humor status and invite me to go skinny-dipping in their mana pool, right?

... so alone.

Re:Good to see that Blizzard...

[Databass]

And in doing so, also promoting Darwininism!

I miss the old Blizzard...

[Jugalator]

Console games, handheld games, then MMORPG's and card games to bind them together...

The things that made Blizzard great wasn't these things, but quality PC games. I wish they'd revisit the platform in brand new titles, but the rumor has it that the next thing on their schedule is a WoW expansion. :-/

Not sure if it's just me getting the feeling they finally grew too big and is just concerned about milking the cash cow, inventing any kind of products to tie into their past successes, and being too feared of starting something new.

Oh well, at least a lot of Blizzard people moved to ArenaNet for Guild Wars, such as Battle.net and Starcraft lead designers, and the key people behind the Diablo series went to form Flagship Studios to be Diablo II's spiritual successor in Hellgate: London.

As for me, the exciting Blizzard related stuff lies in other companies.

Re:I miss the old Blizzard...

[superpulpsicle]

I still like the original Diablo development team the most. Until you mention it, I was curious as to where those guys went. No wonder Guild War is so good.

Re:I miss the old Blizzard...

[narfbot]

Guild Wars was written by Arena.NET, which was started by the three main blizzard south programmers, who did Warcraft II and Starcraft. They are also largely responsible for Warcraft III, and the client for WoW -- they wrote the 3D engine.

Diablo is from Blizzard North, I believe some credit goes to Bill Roper for its success.

Cards may also have an impact on gameplay?

[nightsweat]

Shark? Check
Ramp? Check
Fonz? Check

Rev that engine, WoW.

Re:Cards may also have an impact on gameplay?

[Anthony]

Insightful? I'd call it Funny. I laughed out loud reading your post. How about "Insightfully Funny".

Card games might as well go like this:

[El_Smack]

A: I play my Abe Lincoln, doing 5 damage to your Hamilton.
B: My Hamilton does 10 damage to your Lincoln killing it.
A: I draw *yes*,*yes*,*yes!* Ben Franklin! I defeat your Hamilton and add a +5 defense of Sacagawea.
B: I'm going home.

I cannot begin to tell you how shocked I am.

[dilweed]

This is a radical departure in gaming. Imagine! A card-type game, in which one can purchase expansion packages and collect unique cards and develop strategies based on these cards. I forsee many other properties being licensed for this type of game in the future. *yawn.*

Deal me out.

[MrCopilot]

I fold.

I ran away from collectible cards back in the Hologram 90s.

These won't have holograms will they? Maybe I'll just buy 1 pack.

D'oh

Monthly subscription?

[Anonymous Coward]

*somewhere inside blizzard marketing, dark side of the moon*

Marketing-Genius 1: Hey, let's sell them those magic: the gathering cards just with Warcraft artwork !

Marketing-Genius 2: Great idea! This will bring in another trillion dollar. But, hey, wait-a-minute: How about a monthly fee? HAR HAR HAR

Marketing-Genius 1: You are such a genius. I love you, dude.

Marketing-Genius 2: I love you too. Now let's get those RFID tags integrated.

Collectible card games must die.

[otis wildflower]

Like a virus, they spread through my gaming community. Like a cancer, they grew to crowd out other, healthier pursuits like AD&D, Shadowrun, Starfleet Battles, Gamma World, etc. I stood against the tide only to watch friend after friend fall into the CCG trap. Steve Jackson stabbed me in the back after discontinuing the old hotness Illuminati for the new and busted INWO. And now they threaten WoW? In the immortal words of one of my greatest heroes, "Oh, my valve!"

Then again, an Arcanite Reaper lottery _would_ be sorta cool...

Re:Collectible card games must die.

[damiangerous]

Steve Jackson stabbed me in the back after discontinuing the old hotness Illuminati for the new and busted INWO

It's been back in print for a while now.

Re:Collectible card games must die.

[Anonymous Coward]

As a former/fellow pen and paper RPG'er, I can feel your pain. However, MMORPG's are far, far, far more inane and loserish than CCG's are, if you want to get into making those kinds of heirarchies. At least CCGs get a few friends out of their houses, having a few beers, and having some honest-to-god conversations, rather than the IM-type babble that passes for "role playing" for 99% of the people playing WoW. Or at least it's that way for us, but we're job-having, home-owning, married adults for the most part.... probably not what the uninformed imagine as the "CCG playerbase" (which is more due to a lack of knowledge about what's going on in CCGs than any actual facts).

Re:Collectible card games must die.

[otis wildflower]

Fair 'nuff, though a good case could be made that a VoIP-equipped questing party would be a better substitute for PBM or PBEM, if your gaming circle spans multiple cities, timezones or countries.

Still, WoW should incorporate at least an alignment system so that chaotics can get XP for ninjaing and lawfuls can get XP for helping non-party members, and stuff like that ;)

Devout shoulders

[shuut]

I forseen devout shoulder card and bless of protection card to be the most expensive on egay as everyone is trying to minic Leeroy.

Nerf Shamanz!111

[savi]

OMG - they can spam the frost-shock card! WTFPWND!

Quite the toss up..

[aero2600-5]

Now I have to decide between playing the game on paper or with cards?

Neither.

Disclaimer: No Slashdot discussion (stretching that term) can be considered complete without a link to VGCats.

WOW page on Upperdeck

[Anonymous Coward]

I just found a WOW page on the Upper Deck Entertainment site. entertainment.upperdeck.com/wow

not released until satisfied

[mwyner]

From the article:

but they do not plan to release it unless they are completely satisfied with the final product.

That didn't stop them from releasing the online game....

Re:not released until satisfied

[xmorg]

IT will be totally sweet! when its released in late 2010.

Perfect quote for this.

[mbourgon]

This from Ebert's review of 40-year-old-virgin:
'His strategy for dealing with life is to surround himself with obsessions, including action figures, video games, high-tech equipment, and "collectibles," a word which, like "drinkable," never sounds like a glowing endorsement.'

Farmers

[dosle]

Can I expect to see Japanese farmers constantly around the box at the comic shop? I thott so.

So will all the chink farmers buy up the boxes?

[Anonymous Coward]

And resell them at jacked up overvalued prices since it will relate to ingame advancements/upgrades?

What about Leeroy Jenkins?

[hoozio]

WoW isn't the same without someone coming along and ruining everything. That aspect will be totally lost (short of someone coming along and running of with you deck shouting "Time's Up! .."

Cards?

[FirienFirien]

Has no-one else noticed the release of cards in game and out of game in short order? The Elementals, Warlords, Portals, and Beasts cards - in game, Darkmoon Faire, combine the set to make a handin for which you get a funky trinket. What *I'm* interested in is (a) whether the CCG cards are related to the Darkmoon Faire cards and (b) how they're supposed to affect your ingame experience. I can think that the CCG cards may direct you to do something you wouldn't think of or find in game, or tell you other things like /chickening at chickens for the chicken egg quest; easter eggs (no pun intended) on the cards? THAT's what makes me curious.

woot

[Programmer_In_Traini]

http://www.blizzcon.com/swag.shtml

Anyone coming to blizzcon ? ill have the cards before anyone else it seems :)

Re:woot

[Anonymous Coward]

rtfa?

Also reread the link you sent and look at the pretty picture.

Re:woot

[Programmer_In_Traini]

you think i dont know i sent the link for playing cards and not collectible cards ?

cards are cards right ? :p

OK OK, an honest mistake is half forgiven right ?, i read it too fast, cards made me think if what we get at blizzcon and thought id check on the community to see who's coming.

and all i get is cold RTFA :p

Re:woot

[Anonymous Coward]

DIAF n00b!
Real geeks don't go outside... let alone to a Convention!

you insensitive clod

[timster121]

I *am* the geeky kid next door.

Re:Not a flaw Brillian use of server maintenance t

[Meagermanx]

Don't you need friends to play with, though? And if all your friends are online, because you don't have time to make offline friends, what with all your powerleveling...

It was supposed to be a trading card game...

[LabRat007]

...but aparently the decks are bind on pick up.

How much more a month now?

[theVP]

From the sound of it the cards may also have an impact on your online gameplay as well." So lemme get this straight. The game is pay-to-play already, and now there's a possibility that you have to buy into a collectible card game to get the full experience? No thanks.

I don't think I can handle this...

[UltimaL337Star]

I have a hard enough time keeping up with buying the latest nvidia cards, and I can't even sell my mint condition geforce 2

Re:Not a flaw Brillian use of server maintenance t

['nother poster]

What? You never ran a D&D campaign as both the DM and the party? Turn in your geek card at the door on your way out. Oh yeah, please leave now. I feel dirty after all that.

Re:Don't forget

[symbolic]

I'm sure this will open new avenues for cheating that no one thought of.

Sweet, a card game!

[fanblade]

Player 1: Do you have any...Tauren?
Player 2: Go fish.

Melt Faces

[Supurcell]

A Warcraft card game will melt faces.

SWG: The Card Game

[finelinebob]

I heard that SOE was going to do the same with Star Wars Galaxies. Problem was, as soon as they released the card game, they'd change it to SWG:Episode II -- The Dice Game and you'd have to respec your cards into six-sided dice. Of course, once you FINALLY got used to the new rules they'd bring out SWG:Episode III -- The Pick-up Stix Game, and you'd have to unfold your card/dice and roll them into little sticks....

I think I'll just wait for SWG:EpIV -- The Monkeys-in-the-Barrel Game.

Leeroy jenkins!!!

[elmerf9000]

I wonder how leeroy would handle the card version of WOW?

Shamans = godmode

[Anonymous Coward]

Nerf Shamans!

Upper Deck Sucks

[iignotus]

I hope this CCG doesn't suck hard like all the other Upper Deck "Collectible Card Games". Wizards of the Coast can at least come up with a good set of rules, albeit every one of their card games is just like MTG (even though Magic's not even like Magic any longer).

Someone needs to do CCGs right. There hasn't been a really good game idea or expansion for any game since Ice Age for MTG. LotR is decent, but it's still very very lacking, compared to what a CCG could be.

My elf statue!

[MynockGuano]

Hey, that explains why the statue I won hasn't arrived yet. They're using her in that display booth!

Emote card

[Anonymous Coward]

Will there be emote cards?
/dance

bah

[Anonymous Coward]

I like the tolkien and cthulu card games then you can decide what's worse getting killed by a eldar or corrupted and turned insane by a eldar

CTS

[ackthpt]

You can't tell me you never made swords out of PVC piping, pipe insulation and duct tape. I ended up breaking a friends nose that way...

Enter CTS

Wait...

[Mikhailov]

Does it still include the monthly fee?

Re:Not a flaw Brillian use of server maintenance t

[Meagermanx]

It's nice to be able to figure out the puzzles the GM throws at you for a change.

"Damn, how are these guys uncovering every single trap, secret passage, monster weakness, and item quality I throw at them? It's uncanny!"