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Mambo Changes its Name to Joomla!
Phil Shapiro writes "The popular open source content management system named Mambo has changed its name to Joomla! -- released under the GNU Public License. Some of the reasons for the name change are explained at MamboPortal.com. Joomla! is used by a very wide array of organizations and companies."
I thought it was pretty bad telling my friends I used Mambo...
Now I have to say I use Joomla!, which is almost as ridiculous as saying Yahoo! out loud...
My UID is prime... is yours?
Soon, with Ubuntu and Joomba, we'll be experts in Swahili! ;-) That'd be kind of cool though.
Did the decide that Mambo didn't sound stupid enough?
You can only use a stupid name if you have a really big advertising budget.
The real reason they changed to Joomla! is that it is just more fun to say.
"For Great Justice."
Doesn't sound any less gay.
Sorry.
Besides: shouldn't the site for a framework be at least a bit attractive instead of looking like it has been "designed" by a 16 year old Ruby-on-Rails ADD nigger-fucking webcunt?
"The popular open source content management system named Mambo has changed its name to Joomla! -- released under the GNU Public License. Some of the reasons for the name change are explained at MamboPortal.com. Joomla! is used by a very wide array of organizations and companies."
I know all those words are English, but I have no idea what you're talking about!
I built my website, http://www.nerdsystems.com/ in an hour with it and created my fiance's website in a little over two hours, at http://www.entertainmentwatch.com/
I love all the features of Mambo, letting you create users so easily, having registered areas that only members can access. Check out http://www.entertainmentwatch.com/ and click on the games, and you can see how it says registered users only, then register an account and see how you can play games after logging in.
I'm sure everyone already knows the great features of Mambo, just so glad this is out there, for those of us who don't know web design, and have no clue about design.
I hope this name change keeps spreading the popularity with time, as Mambo is a wonderful program.
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First P. Diddy, now Mambo? The Humanity!
The first letter in GPL is not GNU. It's the General Public License.
"All you have to do is be fragile and grateful. So stay the underdog." Chuck Palahniuk, Choke
I thought that the bursting of the bubble got rid of stupid names and branding, guess I was wrong. I blame it on the pharmaceutical companies. If they hadn't started inventing words for their drugs we wouldn't have tech companies following suit. At some point we are all going to have to learn that native African language with the Clicking noises. Ung Tcosk Klick Kluck Uunnnau
The rock, the vulture, and the chain
Should have changed it to zombo.com. Anything is possible!
"The popular open source content management system named Mambo has changed its name to Joomla! -- released under the GNU Public License. Some of the reasons for the name change are explained at MamboPortal.com. Joomla! is used by a very wide array of organizations and companies."
Theoretically, wouldn't "a very wide array of organizations and companies" be using Mambo, not Joomla, as they most probably didn't get the latest Joomla version just now?
Microsoft is like...no, it's much worse.
I personally would have gone with NotMambo. That way it's clear what they are and what they were.
Stop intellectual property from infringing on me
I don't think I'd call it 'changing their name'. I somehow suspect that we'll still be seeing releases as Mambo from the group still affiliated with the original company, and releases of this Joomla! from this group.
And I'm extremely wary about downloading anything put out by people who can't spell or form cohesive sentences. From the announcement:
"Mambo has changed it's name to Joomla! today. After the develpers of the award wining content management system Mambo has left the rights holder of Mambo, the australian company Miro, they established a new website and will release the first version of Joomla!, which will be version 1.0.0, soon."
To which I say... huh? Somebody needs to remember things like tenses, capitalization of proper nouns, and the difference between it's and its.
...produce valid markup, unlike their own 'Powered by Joomla!' site.
me Auntie Joomla, eerie ?
Dem Mambo boys am batty wid dis namin ting.
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
Indira Nehru changed her name to Indira Gandhi too so she could get a political boost.
Mambo is still being maintained by Miro. Someone has been trained at the Mike Robertson school of PR.
people are assholes. I've been staying with my sister Lisa and her fiancé Greg for the last week before I moved into my own place, and brought with me my pet hamster Molly. I'd had molly for two years, and taught her enough trust to come out of her cage willingly to me for attention and food. If there was a thunderstorm molly would walk back and forth at the cage door waiting for me to comfort her, only settling down once she was in my hands, or crawling inside my jacket, she was one of those animals who just trusted people.
Three days ago molly disappeared from the cage, and I spent a frantic two days looking for her. Sis has two cats, and they were the biggest fear. I didn't think molly would have left the apartment, she'd have come when called, but I stopped looking last night. Sis and Greg were out visiting other friends, and in a fluke of snooping I went looking through their ixus. There were pictures of Sis and Greg playing with molly with one of the cats. they'd started taking photos once molly was too injured to stand, and had twenty photos and some movies of the torture. in some of the movies Sis held her hand out to molly and she crawled over to it, ever trusting, just to be flicked up in the air for the cat to catch or greg to kick. I can't get over how my sis was fucking LAUGHING when she did this. Didn't take long for me to find molly in their outside garbage bin stuffed into an OJ bottle, torn open almost inside out, her beautiful fur caked with blood
I feel gutted. How another human being, one RELATED to me can do shit like this to a small animal, I can't fathom. the camera and molly have been taken to police who despite my fears are taking it very seriously. cunts. absolute cunts. I'm staying with some friends for a day or two until I can get another place to sleep until my apartment is ready next monday. I hate my family and the tears don't stop.
thank you and back to slashdotting.
mumbo jumbo to me!
A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
I've played around with Mambo/Joomla! and was not impressed. It was not intuitive for non-technical people to use (which is to me is the whole point of having such a system). It seemed to be extremely difficult to break the mold of the typical Mambo site, which is basically a blog. Additionally, when I started looking under the hood I was shocked to find such tangled code in what is apparently a relatively well respected project. It looked like a project that had just continually had things tacked onto it without any over-arching design. I'd be willing to deal with the ugly code if the system itself was particularly easy to use. But trying to explain Sections, Categories, Mambots, etc to a non-technical person is an uphill battle.
What am I missing that everyone else seems to think is so great?
the preferred CMS of Jar Jar
Joomla backwards is almooj, which could be written as Al Mooj. This is clearly a tool to be used by terrorist organizations and should be banned immediately!
Why would anyone change the name of their product from a semi-reasonable English word, to a nonsense word that any adult would feel embarrassed to say out loud? I can't imagine a better way to scare off potential new users.
Not that the company had a good business idea, or anything, but this is exactly the thing that made sure "Flooz.com" was DOA.
Cantankerous old coot since 1957.
http://www.joomla.org/content/view/5/6/
They misinterpret the GPL here: you may perfectly charge for the GPL code.
Hopefully they did some investigation as to the meaning of this word. It would be hilarious (for us, not them) if "joomla" meant "swamp butt" or "halitosis" or something.
Also, what's with this stupid trend of companies using an exclamation point in their name?
"isiZulu" is simply the word for the Zulu language in Zulu itself. Likewise "isiXhosa" is the name for the Xhosa language in Xhosa itself. (The "isi-" is a grammatical prefix that distinguishes the adverb from, say, a Zulu or Xhosa person.)
So it really makes more sense to either say "Zulu and Xhosa" or "isiZulu and isiXhosa". I'd recommend the former, since "isiZulu" and "isiXhosa" aren't really English words.
Dlugar
Computer Go: Writing Software to Play the Ancient Game of Go
Indeed, it is quite disgraceful when such major web developers are unable to write valid XHTML (in this case) for their own website.
w .joomla.org%2F
u ke.org/
Check if for yourself:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fww
As of this time, seven errors are reported, plus a number of warnings.
It's difficult to tell whether it is a lack of ability, a lack of initiative, or a lack of quality control. Perhaps it is a mixture of all three factors. Regardless, it makes their project look bad. Very bad.
The least that one should expect from a web developer is that the developer's own website is standards-conformant. The lack of professionalism shown by this group of web developers rubs off on all open source developers, unfortunately.
They are, however, far better than PHP-Nuke, which currently offers 96 errors[1] on their homepage.
References:
[1] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.phpn
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Joomla joomla LaJoom LaJoom It's all in the hips...
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It looks very unprofessional for a site basically selling your services to contain advertisements along the side. I would be hesitant to deal with a doctor who stuck advertisements on the side of his office sign, just as I would be with a computer systems developer who sticks ads all over his commercial website.
Not only that, but the ads are very religious in nature. Perhaps Google took the "customer service" text to mean "religious service", and thus stuck religious ads all along the right side.
Thanks for the attempt, but I would not deal with you because of the appearance and content of your website.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
With this sudden name change of Mambo to Joomla!, User:Bishonen has suddenly nominated both and Joomla!. There is extremly divisive debate on both pages, some people voting delete on the grounds that the articles are ads, others going "WTF are you doing! This is certainly notable!" Personally, I'm absolutely flabbergasted. What the hell are these Wikipedians doing?
On a serious note, I'm wondering what this will mean for Miro and Mambo. If Mambo has a lot of mind share then it will take some work for the Joomla people to communicate that they are the new development branch. Since Joomla is GPL then there is nothing stopping Miro from taking Joomla, renaming it to Mambo, and continuing to market it. In that case it'd be both perfectly legal and the original developers would still be writing code for Miro. Miro could continue to keep the mind share that they have invested in Mambo. I wonder how the Joomla developers plan to counteract that and market their product.
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That new name just sounds lame. And having an exclamation mark after it works fine for Yahoo!, but I don't think we need another one of those names.
Wow, that's even harder to remember than my own domain name (which is fine by me). I keep thinking JamLoo! or Roomba! -- besides, exlamation mark names mess up my punctuation!. Ah, well.
how does mambo/joomla rate against Drupal?? i only tried drupal ... and found it easy to use and it's a powerful cms. is mambo/joomla better?
i made my website using drupal: www.iconnectzone.com
This is an unfortunate example of why most geeks shouldn't be allowed to name things.
Naming things is tough in this day of domain name squatters, which makes it very tempting to go with meaningless invented names (or names that sound that way to most people - e.g. "Ogg Vorbis"). Weird names are fine for things that don't require much investment to sample them -- but for the case where it does represent a significant investment (in either time, money, or risk) then a weird name can be a severe handicap to the adoption of that product.
I saw "Mambo" and "joomba" and for some reason my mind went immediately to
Roomba.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Mambo! Joomla! Sis ra ra! Ginko farly! Iss bata!
Seriously, where is this mythical physician? I have yet to find a doctors office that doesn't have "infoposters" of this medicine or that plastered all over the place. In fact, a doctors office is one of the places where you'll find the most ads strewn around the walls and windows. I challenge you to find a doctors office that is ad free, let me know, and I'll send him a gift basket for not accepting the kickbacks that come with the infomercial posters.
- The Google Toolbar has a spell checker button AND it works, consider that before hitting submit next time k?
Am I the only one who things this article is incredibly biased? I mean, Mambo isn't changing it's name. There will still be a Mambo. Joomla! is a project created based off of Mambo by a lot of the Mambo developers, but it isn't the new name of Mambo.
.this just in Red Hat Linux changes its name to SUSE (insofar as SUSE was based off RH and so clearly it is just a name change and whatever that Red Hat company continues to do isn't real).
Wait. .
Now, there is a VERY strong argument that Joomla! is where all the big Mambo developers are moving and that it will be more Mambo than Mambo, but the post is libelous because Mambo isn't changing it's name. Mambo is staying around with the Mambo name.
I'd also like to know about the differences between the two.
http://pixelcort.com/
This article is not just biased but intentionally plain wrong. This would be like saying XFree86 has been renamed to x.org.
I think it is very stupid to include punctuation marks other than hyphens and apostrophes in trade marks. It not only looks like a childish Yahoo rip-off but is an obvious trick to make people end every single sentence including such a trade mark with an exclamation mark or otherwise risk having misleading punctuation in the middle of a sentence where it certainly does not belong. I hope they will change the name to just Joomla because I refuse to use marks of admiration in my writing when it doesn't reflect my way of thinking. Period.
Karma: Positive (probably because of superiour intellect)
JoMamma
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Ok, I dont see anywhere on their site describing what exactly Joomla! or Mambo is. Its a content management system. So what does it do? A lotta companies use it. Hmm ok... I gander that it manages content in a systematic way... *so confused*
Confession: I wrote the site of this CMS above, since I had forgotten the name of the site in the time it took to come back to /. to post this. So that's a sign that either (a) this new name has little sticking power or (b) um, what was I talking about?
or they continue the dance theme and Lambada, Macarena, Hustle, and Cabbage Patch creeped out the testers' signifigant others who caught them attempting the namesake dances. To their relief, the testers haven't figured out what a Joomla is and are now slightly less embarassing.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
I had a list of names posted. It was the first suggestion in the forums that had more than one entry. (I'm good at making names - better than most nerds that is). One guy did a summary of all names posted and completely ignored/overlooked mine. Half of those had some sort of branding quality, as at least a third in the forums were very good.
The problem with Joomla! is the lack of speech rythym. If you have a chance to use a fantasy name - and most OSS projects couldn't care less if the name is known and speakable in most countries - such as the name "Diesel" which became a well know clothing brand (very smart pick for a name, just like "amazon").
Take for instance "Rivett" or "Engine" (Engine was one of my suggestions), or even a silly name like "TittyTwister". All of these have at least one vowel at all sylable borders, which makes them easier to memorize, speak, pronounce and spell. With "Engine" being an exeption because it's pronouced different from it's spelling. A good tradeoff if you like the associations the name causes.
Bottom line:
Nothing agains a complete fantasy name - on the contrary. In the end you have better brand recognition. But you should let people who have experience at naming do it. Especially when so many marketing experts offer their help as they did with Joomla!. Joomla! looks cool, that why lots of people in the marketing industry use it. Many would've like to pay back by helping out with branding and such. It's a shame the core team didn't go along.
Then again, I've seen crappier names than Joomla! in the OSS world, so I guess I should be glad.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Is it possible that somebody writes "GNU Public License" today ?
GPL stands for General Public License
I always mention it like this :
GNU GPL
Cheers,
Filippo Rusconi
Go ahead and TRY to see what happens when you TRY to run Slashdot, the prime butt trumpet of "standards complience" through the W3C validators. Go ahead! OH! Is that a "403 Forbidden"? Hmm....
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Jumla may be Swahili, but it is derived from the Arabic word of the same name. So, they're trying to broaden their market.
Miro will also have to change their name now, since Miro and Mambo had the same beginning syllable. So, I look forward to seeing the founding of a new company: Jiro!
What those who want activist courts fear is rule by the people.
The real reason for the name change was because Mambo.org was already taken: http://mambo.org/.
What those who want activist courts fear is rule by the people.
It's not rocket science. Just a little common sense;
"Content Management System" => "A System that Manages Content"...
Since it's a web-application, you can safely assume that it's "A System that Manages Content on the Web". How do you present content through the web? I know! A "Website".
Put 2 & 2 together... Geesh...
Nobody's gay for Mole-Man.
Why does every move of a CMS interest Slashdot?
Isn't Slashdot a CMS?
Boggle.
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
We are now... no longer the Knights Who Say 'Mambo'.
We are now the Knights Who Say 'Joomla!- ecky- ecky- ecky- pikang- zoop- boing- goodem- zoo- owli- zhiv'.
worst.name.evar.
And now If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go play with my Joomla!
Nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained -Tom Baker, Doctor Who
Damn you, crazy frog, and your ability to ruin any song and any day, regardless of weather and earning potential. Please leave open source alone.
I didn't care about Mambo, its whiny developers, its greedy owners, and I don't see how this non-news, non-stuff that matters should matter to me.
...to fight a battle against an english word that's inevitably trademarked by some other company.
People don't care about weird names.
They do.
Ever looked at the credits after a movie?
I'd wager 1/3 to 1/2 of the actors in the list have changed their name. Either because their previous names were too convoluted for the average American to pronounce (e.g. they might have ancestral ties to other countries) or they had too common names, meaning they needed to change them to stick out just enough.
This example simply shows that names are very important to us when it comes to instances of types.
When it comes to the specific types (e.g. types of technology) themselves however, we tend not to care that much what names we use to classify the different things with. Since many of these things stem from science (discovery) we might lack prior art and have settled with the fact that "new stuff will yields new names". Our perception of the new stuff is formed by what it can do for us (after having seen or read about it) and so "strange" names like Turbo, Laser, Gasoline, Homo sapien etc. get established and recognized by many as types.
What would help tremendously though when naming new stuff (types) would be to look at the traits of the concept and pick a name communicating the intent of the type. This would help people quickly pick up what the thing is about and speed up awareness immensely.
E.g. Say you invented a strap which you could tie around a dog's neck and also attach a leach to. Now instead of giving that thing a name like Smorgasbord, wouldn't a name like Dog Collar be easier to remember? Wouldn't it also convey better the intent of the device to people not yet familiar with this new thing? The concept collar is already familiar for most people and to distinguish this new type variant from the one humans use, adding the type name of the intended wearer will avoid any confusion in the morning.
So, is Joomla a good name? Perhaps not. Will it be catastrophic? perhaps not. Could a better name have resulted in wider awareness in shorter time? Personally I think so.
In a society that believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda ~ Bill Durodié
Trademark the fucking name before you get in bed with companies who you might need to fork from.
See, Linus was smart. Which is why we call it Linux, and not Joomix or SCOnix.
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
I dig XML as much as the next guy, and use it in a number of my software projects, BUT ONLY WHEN IT MATTERS
I keep hearing this vague shit about markup for mobile devices, etc. But, really, HTML 3/4 works fine, it's easy to code by hand, etc.
XHTML is dead, good riddance.
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
Is that anything like an ATM machine?
-- "Have you ever seen your own brain?"
Yahoo! has the patent on using punctuation in trademarks as a business method to create simulated excitement in otherwise independent reviews wherever they mention the name of the product being reviewd.
The core developers of Mambo have decided to continue the codebase under a new name. Mambo Foundation still owns Mambo and will continue development. You can argue about which one is the fork all you want, but the fact remains that there's still a fork. That's not good for open source adoption in business.
No, this is not a mistake, but intentional. In the spirit of GNU which stands for "GNU's Not Unix", GPL might just as well be "GPL Public License". These are recursive abbreviations, whereas "ATM machine" is a redundant abbreviation :)
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
That's the beauty of it.
You can do ANYTHING at Joomla Com ......
Dang... they rejected my suggestion to name it CFKAM - "CMS formerly known as Mambo"... :)
The friendliest digital photography forums on the net!
http://www.zombo.com...
thought it fit the mood... =)
hahahaha!
Don't forget about Ajuba! http://wiki.tcl.tk/912 - the once-formerly-new-name of TCL/TK's company website, which was a better name: Scriptics.org, which changed yet again from Ajuba, to the now much-more sensible http://www.tcl.tk/
hahahaha! Where do these OTHER geeks get all these damn stupid names from?????
9/11 Was An Inside Job! http://www.InfoWars.com/
Over at OSM (A.K.A. Looney-Tunes Central) they proudly announced that a global branding company was going to help them find their identity - I bet that company is now scurrying to hide theirs!
Joomla reminds me of so many funny things; a kids card game where if you get 18 clueless developers you cry Joomla! Or a Zulu dance where lithe African men jump into the air with their arms outstretched, but their balls knock together and it makes them cry "Joomla!" (Trans. "Gee my nuts hurt!"). Or a scene from the Lion King where Nala spies young Simba about to step in a pile of Elephant crap and cries "Simba, watch out for that Joomla!"
Is it just me, or is there nowhere on the planet to download Joomla? I scoured the joomla.org website and support sites but they only offer templates and modules. Mambo is still available everywhere.