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From TR-1 to iPod mini

karvind writes "BBC is running an interesting scoop on first transistor radio which has fair resemblance to iPod mini. The Regency TR-1 transistor radio, made in 1954, had a decent claim to be a genuine piece of innovation, however. It was, by popular agreement, the world's first commercially sold transistor pocket radio. Incidently technology watcher John Ousby realised the modern day parallels and matched photos of the transistor with photos of the iPod mini. The similarity between the two has 'created quite a stir' particularly in the Mac community."

195 comments

  1. Not as many problems, though... by Donniedarkness · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hey, this one doesn't have a screen to scratch!

    Seriously, though...is it not possible that the iPod was developed w/o Apple having any knowledge of this? It's not like this is some mega-complicated design... it's a small, sqaure MP3 player.

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    1. Re:Not as many problems, though... by aicrules · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it is not possible! They all knew it and stole the sleek, suave design from the oldest portable transistor radio! Oh wait....the iPod actually looks nice...while the radio looks hideous.

    2. Re:Not as many problems, though... by worst_name_ever · · Score: 4, Funny
      Hey, this one doesn't have a screen to scratch!

      * Do not eat FM Shuffle.

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    3. Re:Not as many problems, though... by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ..is it not possible that the iPod was developed w/o Apple having any knowledge of this?

      No, not likely. They've been seeing electronic gear in a box with a dial on it all of their lives. In fact, just about every electronic piece of equipment I own is some sort of box with some sort of dial on it. The "dial" on my VCR is even a "click wheel."

      Who woulda thunk that a thing in a box would look vaguely like a thing in a box. The TR-1 itself looked rather like a table radio except for its size and standing long side up to slip in a pocket, instead of long side down to rest on a table. Form followed function, and the form was largely determined by the fact the case was predominantely a speaker enclosure (plus battery box).

      It's not like this is some mega-complicated design... it's a small, sqaure MP3 player.

      And honestly, if you saw them side by side you wouldn't think they looked any more similar than a table radio and the TR-1. For starters there's about the same proportinal difference in size. The photo of the TR-1 in the story is about life size. Rather noticably larger than a pack of cigarettes, including (which doesn't show in the photo) thickness.

      If you put these two devices next to each other with a modern, slim, pocket calculator you'd think the iPod looked far more like the calculator than the radio.

      Perhaps the author is reacting to the entirely overhyped nonsense about the iPod's design "innovation." The reason it took so much work to do the "design" of the iPod was specifically because it's just a project box. You just go try and make a project box unique. It's just a bloody box.

      Apple managed to do this. When you see an iPod a block away you know it's an iPod. Period. From a block away it bears absolutely no resemblence to the TR-1. Up close the iPod has "fondalability." The TR-1 does not.

      This, however, is not technical innovation. It is marketing, and it is marketing again that has given people the idea that the marketing is itself innovation in the device.

      It's just a pocket radio. What do you want it to look like, a bunny or something?

      KFG

    4. Re:Not as many problems, though... by tmonkey · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Watch out Apple might Se them for copying the design!

    5. Re:Not as many problems, though... by anagama · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would be an AM shuffle. Look at the dial.

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    6. Re:Not as many problems, though... by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm not sure what you meant by the "this... is not technical innovation" comment, but apart from that I'm with you.

      This is an overreaction to the overreaction to each successive Ipod. If the Ipod design team did see it, so what? If they didn't see it, they will have grown up with it, or things like it all around them. How can you not be effected by the design of things around you?

      I think this is an example of the blog feedback loop creating meaningless noise.

    7. Re:Not as many problems, though... by diggum · · Score: 2, Informative

      > is it not possible that the iPod was developed w/o Apple having any knowledge of this? Highly unlikely. It's not as if the TR-1 is some ultra-rare object - it probably comes up in week 3 of every Intro to Product Design course. The idea that every single person involved in the design and legal process not having any notion of its existence has got to be zero, i hope. However, it's a recurring design for a reason - it's clean and easy. The entire UI consists of the 2 most basic geometric shapes we know: Rectangle and Circle. The interaction is entirely based on this opposable thumb we've come to love so much. Even the larger ipods have nice, big buttons that you can still completely access with one hand. Look at some of the competition to see tiny, silver, rounded buttons whose command icons are etched into the surface and require you to angle to the light just right to see. you may even need to use two hands to get the proper pressure to push them. This is not good product design - this is someone with CAD experience drooling over the metallic shaders his rendering engine can display.

    8. Re:Not as many problems, though... by rocjoe71 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Up close the iPod has "fondalability."

      Wow, I listen to music with my iPod, what the heck are you doing with yours?

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    9. Re:Not as many problems, though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you not be effected by the design of things around you?

      begin object grammar_troll {
      The only design around us which most people are "effected" [sic] by is that of their biological parents' DNA structures. Perhaps you meant to use a different word.
      }

    10. Re:Not as many problems, though... by hcob$ · · Score: 1
      Up close the iPod has "fondalability."


      And so do boobs.... Sorry, it is Slashboobs.... err dot.
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    11. Re:Not as many problems, though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly the Shuffle is his iPod model of choice.

    12. Re:Not as many problems, though... by kfg · · Score: 1

      It's the Apple Mighty Mouse (Heeeeere it comes to save the daaaaaay!) that has boob like fondleability. It's even got a nipple that you're encouraged to stroke. It should be a big seller in the youth market.

      The iPod is more like a supossitory. Why do you think each generation is narrower than the last?

      KFG

  2. So what? by Grench · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're both small, come in different colours, and have a wheel-driven interface.

    So does lipstick.

    And radio-controlled toy cars.

    Really, if "BUT LOOK AT THE SIMILARITIES!" posts were made for every new product, we'd never get anything done.

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    1. Re:So what? by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what? They're both small, come in different colours, and have a wheel-driven interface. So does lipstick. And radio-controlled toy cars.

      Yeah, but one has to do w/women thus no importance on Slashdot and the other isn't made by Apple. That's what ;)

    2. Re:So what? by op12 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but if you look at further details such as variety of colors, the fact that both are audio devices, and the height to width ratio being quite similar (ignoring the depth difference), the similarities are worth noting. Nevertheless, I think it's interesting and nothing more.

    3. Re:So what? by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obvious. Though the similaries in the color choices are interesting.

    4. Re:So what? by Jamu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really, if "BUT LOOK AT THE SIMILARITIES!" posts were made for every new product, we'd never get anything done.

      I'm reminded of our current patent system.

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    5. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Come on, at least make valid comparisons. How about "They're both small, come in different colors, have a wheel-driven interface, and let you listen to music". The last part being a critical piece you conveniently ignored.

      I happen to understand that for the most part everything comes from something else. Inspiration is all over the place in nature. I think the point is to knock the Apple "I'm so cool" morons down a peg. Apple isn't any more original than anyone else, you're not better because you paid more, and Apple does not make superior quality components (eg. scratches, broken Macs, etc.). They just have fancy expensive packaging.

    6. Re:So what? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      Hey, remember those race car games where you moved your finger around in a circle input device really fast to make them move? I think Steve Jobs ripped that interface off for iPod!

    7. Re:So what? by tgibbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A pocket sized form factor, attractive colors, and a large dial to access a large number of choices (many frequencies on the radio, many songs on the iPod). It is hard to know to what extent this is convergent design, constrained by similar goals, and to what extent the former inspired the latter.

    8. Re:So what? by freewaybear · · Score: 1, Funny

      Reminds me of the Intellivision controller...

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    9. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A pocket sized form factor

      That particular radio was not "pocket sized" unles you had very large pockets.

      It was considered a fantastic achievement of the time that you could hold a radio in one hand, but it was considerably larger than even the biggest iPod, let alone the mini.

    10. Re:So what? by JWW · · Score: 1

      Nope he stole the click wheel idea from Mattel. Haven't you ever seen an Intellivision controller??

    11. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but one has to do w/women thus no importance on Slashdot and the other isn't made by Apple.

      Are you saying that Apple makes lipstick?

    12. Re:So what? by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Furthermore, I saw my hairstyle in a cave-painting the other week. I think this proves beyond all possible doubt the existence of closed timelike curves in our universe.

      ;-)

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    13. Re:So what? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Didn't measure it, but it looks suspiciously close to the ratio of the golden rectangle. If that's the case, then it has little to do with coincidence, and alot to do with 2 seperate designers choosing a geometry that has been extremely pleasant to human beings for untold thousands of years.

    14. Re:So what? by idobi · · Score: 1

      Except to be a fair comparison, the picture should be more like this.

    15. Re:So what? by Precipitous · · Score: 1

      ...we'd never get anything done...

      Are you new here? Slashdot has nothing to do with getting stuff done. It's something to do in between, or instead of, getting stuff done.

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    16. Re:So what? by demondawn · · Score: 1

      You get things done? Most of us just sit at our desks reading slashdot all the time.

    17. Re:So what? by TGK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, no, it shouldn't. I belive the topic of the BBC article was the iPod Mini, not the Nano. Moreover, there is a major difference in the depth of the product.

      That said, the wheel on the radio is simply a different way of looking at a knob. The knob itself, is a clever way of creating a very small and intuitive interface to a linear series of choices (a paradigm leap in and of itself, moving a linear structure to a circular interface).

      Given that, the use of the wheel by Apple isn't so mucy copy-catting, as making the long overdue leap from the radio dial to the play list. Both represent a linear progression of choices, so why not use a similar interface?

      Once that's done, the form factor and hip colors aren't such a big deal. Bright active colors appeal to the youth market while the form factor is a veritable necessity for portable use.

      The real gem of the industrial design that Apple has put into the iPod is the gloss finish, the rounded corners, and the lovely little audio responce from the wheel. It's not so much that the iPod is retro, as it looks like something from a 1960s science fiction movie. iPods look like what the Baby Boomer generation was TOLD the future would look like.

      Given that nothing else they were told about the future panned out, that's fairly appealing.

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    18. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yet apple get's a patent on their design.

      we would not have what we have today if the companies from earlier in the electronics age were as rampantly greedy and filled with assholes like Apple and other companies today.

    19. Re:So what? by roystgnr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Furthermore, I saw my hairstyle in a cave-painting the other week.

      Have you considered getting a haircut?

    20. Re:So what? by corngrower · · Score: 1

      And you didn't have to have a set of earplugs or headphones to listen to the TR-1

    21. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We race formula one (F1) cars, going faster and faster all based upon similar designs. They come in different colors, and he-he...wheel interfaces.

      I will say again, look at the similarities.

      I have been looking at the similarities between the size of 3 1/2 floppies, Magneto optical disks, and the size of shirt pockets. I am sure that the pocket design is based upon the size of a package of European cigarettes. So... all this similarity stuff is based upon the desire of chic people to carry carcinogenic delivery systems, organized in a foreign way.

      Onward: The similarities of the size of the iPod, is to a pack of American cigarettes, subsequent iPods, are some way based upon golden ratios.

  3. Uh Oh by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Run for the hills! Jobs' reality distortion field is about to explode!

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  4. Bigger images of the TR-1 by Frankie70 · · Score: 5, Informative

    here & here.

    1. Re:Bigger images of the TR-1 by Frankie70 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe I should have Coral Cache'd it.
      Here
      & here

  5. Apple used to be original by muellerr1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    All this time I thought iPods were really cool, but now I find out they're unoriginal! Now I hate iPods. I only like things which bear no resemblance at all, accidental or otherwise, to any product previously created in the entire world.

    1. Re:Apple used to be original by cowscows · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I'm surprised people didn't figure this out sooner. Really, the ipod is a whole lot like an old school gameboy, except that Apple made it smaller to save on material costs, and it's completely worthless without headphones. I mean, they even stole the idea for a non-color screen! And for this, they sell millions? Stupid trendy sheep, that's all people are these days, it makes me sick.

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    2. Re:Apple used to be original by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on, Flamebait?! Did some jackass think I was actually serious?

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    3. Re:Apple used to be original by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...just to hear it quack?

    4. Re:Apple used to be original by tsa · · Score: 0, Troll

      Hey, you say something bad about Apple, you get modded down. That's the rule here on /.. Happens to me all the time.

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    5. Re:Apple used to be original by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what I'm sick of? Elitists who seem to think that they know better than everyone else. I get the sarcasm in your post but it embodies many people's thinking.

    6. Re:Apple used to be original by cowscows · · Score: 1

      I know, it's sad. Especially because I'm on my 6th mac in the last 15 years. People are strange.

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    7. Re:Apple used to be original by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      where can i get one of those 4 gig flash memory cards... or the uber tiny hard drives.... ive sudenly got a crazy idea to make a gameboy cartridge mp3 player that uses the gameboy display and controls. but uses its own audio since the old gameboys had low low quality audio (way to low for mp3 to sound any good at all no matter how you tried)

      something like that an old gameboy pocket... now thats cool :)

      if anyone makes one inspired by this :P lemme know.

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  6. Ten bucks by darkitecture · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ten bucks says someone's already tried to do a retro shoehorn mod to make their iPod look like a TR-1.

    First one with a link gets +5 Informative!

    1. Re:Ten bucks by yehudaw · · Score: 5, Funny

      Coming to think about it, a 10$ bill also looks like the TR-1. It is flat and has a round wheel around Alexander Hamilton.

    2. Re:Ten bucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I know there was a guy who used to turn old Walkmen into iPod cases... until Sony threatened to sue him.

    3. Re:Ten bucks by Batman64 · · Score: 1

      Quick someone edit that photo and put a screen on that damn radio... I wanna check out how sweeeeeet tats it is!

    4. Re:Ten bucks by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      Coming to think about it, a 10$ bill also looks like the TR-1. It is flat and has a round wheel around Alexander Hamilton.

      Brilliant. A new thieves' cant name for the iPod.

      Apply a little cockney rhyming slang... let's see...

      Hamilton
      Hilton
      Paris Hilton.

      Got it. From now on, we shall refer to an iPod as a "Paris."

      Used in context:

      "Well, I 'ad a butcher's at that new Leamington that was Plimsolled out be'ind the bath down the Kermit last night, and what should I notice but a shiney new Paris on the dash. So, make a long story short, I put a copacabana through the Kevin, and Robert is your father's brother. Happy birthday, me old china!"

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    5. Re:Ten bucks by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Twenty bucks says someone with strip out a TR-1, stick a Commodore 64 in it, make it run Linux and then cluster it - but you won't be able to print and surf the 'net at the same time.

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    6. Re:Ten bucks by sokoban · · Score: 1

      "Well, I 'ad a butcher's at that new Leamington that was Plimsolled out be'ind the bath down the Kermit last night, and what should I notice but a shiney new Paris on the dash. So, make a long story short, I put a copacabana through the Kevin, and Robert is your father's brother. Happy birthday, me old china!"

      Now, can you please translate that into english?

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    7. Re:Ten bucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Well, I 'ad a butcher's at that new Leamington that was Plimsolled out be'ind the bath down the Kermit last night, and what should I notice but a shiney new Paris on the dash. So, make a long story short, I put a copacabana through the Kevin, and Robert is your father's brother. Happy birthday, me old china!"

      Now, can you please translate that into english?

      $cat gibberish I translator.pl

      I had a look at that shiny new car that was parked out behind the bar down the road last night, and what should I notice but a shiny new iPod on the dashboard. So, to make a long story short, I put a spanner [wrench] through the window, and Bob's your uncle. [everything has been taken care of for you.] Happy birthday, my old mate. [pal.]

  7. Heh? by hungrygrue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I saw this article yesterday and thought it was rather silly. There really isn't much resemblance. They are both rectangular - as are most electronic devices. They both come in multiple colors, but the tr-1 came in many many more colors than the ipod and only the silver really looks similar. That is pretty much where the similarity ends. Nothing on the face of either looks similar at all - The speaker grill on the radio, for instance, the shiny metal dial which looks nothing like the ipod control thingy other than being round.

    1. Re:Heh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are looking for resemblance you can in most cases find some arguments to support your statement. And all designs (made by humans, don't know how AI is gonna work..) that will ever be designed must have some root in reality. I don't think anybody can say that they are not at all effected by what they see or hear, experience, in there everyday living. My writing this text now, is again based upon my personal experiences.

    2. Re:Heh? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 5, Insightful
      A little creativity please. The colors that were shown were very similar. The form factors are also similar (the radio was slightly larger), and they were both controlled by a single wheel control. That's a good deal of similarity, though obviously not proof. If you can't see a similarity, I'm guessing you also have a problem with abstract art.

      And I have no idea why the apple crowd is going nuts over this. In fact, if it turned out that Apple did use the TR-1 as an influence, I think that would be incredibly cool. What a great shout-out to the past, modeling the most significant portable music player since the walkman after the one that started them all. How is that not cool?

    3. Re:Heh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And I have no idea why the apple crowd is going nuts over this.
      Because it breaks the fanboys' little delusion that everything Apple does is the second coming of Jesus.
    4. Re:Heh? by WarpedMind · · Score: 1
      A little creativity please. The colors that were shown were very similar. The form factors are also similar (the radio was slightly larger), and they were both controlled by a single wheel control.

      Actually only the station was controlled by the big wheel. There was another wheel mounted for volume and and I think a switch to turn it off and on.

      The iPod is still very innovative from an interface design point of view in that all the controls are imbedded in one input mechnism. Even if you put the menu interface aside, you can still skip, play again, "rewind", adjust volume, and stop/play from just the one input control. The TR-1 doesn't compare from a user interface point of view.

      I agree with the original poster, the comparision points are pretty superficial.
    5. Re:Heh? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Informative
      I agree with the original poster, the comparision points are pretty superficial.

      That's the point. The entire article is only about visual design. It has nothing to do with how the devices actually function, as the iPod obviously has many differences from a transitor radio.

    6. Re:Heh? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
      In fact, if it turned out that Apple did use the TR-1 as an influence, I think that would be incredibly cool.

      It would also indicate a serious lack of imagination and self-confidence.

    7. Re:Heh? by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

      Slightly? This thing is barely handheld. Not only is it quite heavy (judging from the heavy duty electronics in the case) but about the size of a walkman, not an ipod, especially not an ipod nano, have you seen one of those things, it makes a ticktac case look bloated!

  8. Re:Why is Linux so hard to use, compared to apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've seen at least 3 ACs post this in the past week. Whether or not they are the same person remains to be seen. But what each of them has failed to do is proofread the text they copy and paste.

    Please change the text to "1% marketshare" if you really mean to be a troll.

  9. Causing a stir in the Mac community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...is like shooting fanboys in a barrel.

  10. Why yes indeed by eebra82 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Suddenly I feel that the inventor of the broom is gonna get an awful lawsuit upon himself, because someone obviously had to invent the stick.

    This is problably the lamest article to date.

    1. Re:Why yes indeed by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 1

      This is problably the lamest article to date

      You're telling me. Favourite vacuous comment from TFA: "everything has its roots somewhere." Well, stop the press!

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    2. Re:Why yes indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG I'm not trendy or hip. My grampa had an ipod mini BLARG!!!!

  11. Maybe if you ignore the first-gen iPod by wikkiewikkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't the mini just an evolution of the first-generation iPod design? The first-gen looks absolutely nothing like the TR-1 to me.

  12. Almost a dupe by Frankie70 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Old slashdot article

  13. Design is evolutionary, not revolutionary by saddino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is hardly surprising. Design has always been an attempt to define the current cultural atmosphere, but the truth is, there are some colors, shapes, patterns that humans covet, and others they don't -- this subset is constantly re-used and re-invented. "Trendiness" is short-lived, and thus design movements are simply a shift from one family of design to another: the result is something that "feels" new but is not. One can see this trend in every consumer product, from sofas, to automobiles, to dresses, to watches, and yes, even to electronic gadgets.

    Just about every "trend" in design today can be found in some form or another existing over the past 100 years (possibly multiple times).

    1. Re:Design is evolutionary, not revolutionary by Illserve · · Score: 1

      And let us not forget that there are certain physical practicalities to the shape of a circle that make it the only real choice for a rotating control dial. Maybe it should be a triangle instead? Perhaps a trapezoid or non rectangular parallelogram?

  14. So what? Look-alike. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Really, if "BUT LOOK AT THE SIMILARITIES!" posts were made for every new product, we'd never get anything done."

    But look at Grench's post and it's similarities to others. With the letters, and the punctuation, and the grammer. It's obviously a conspiracy by the Posters Union to take over slashdot by filling these little comment boxes repeatly.

  15. How long to fill up? by fm2503 · · Score: 1

    Assuming 64kbps (rough FM stereo number),
    and I doubt we had stereo FM in '54 then
    it would take something like 5.74 days to
    "fill" a 4GB (3.8 useable) TR-1.

    Hmm perhaps the battery wouldn't last that long,
    or was that a truck full of lead acid batteries
    which you pulled along behind you ?

    1. Re:How long to fill up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      64kbps is roughly FM? I know which I'd rather have... Something that doesn't sound like it's underwater for a start.

  16. Apple Lisa design also copied by Frankie70 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Compare Lisa with this.

    1. Re:Apple Lisa design also copied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice work linking to a 404 error.

    2. Re:Apple Lisa design also copied by shawnce · · Score: 1

      Umm they both work just fine for me...

  17. I'm really tempted by Zegnar · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't afford this, but http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-Regency-TR-1-Transis tor-Radio-w-case-GRAY_W0QQitemZ6564339586QQcategor yZ932QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Now you just need to buy a pair of white headphones to go with it...

    1. Re:I'm really tempted by CrazyTalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice pics on that site - and it DOES remind one of the iPod (although I highly doubt the iPod designers were even aware of this product). Does make you think though - roughly the same size and shape as and iPod, was available 50 years ago, had batteries that could actually be replaced, and "held" an INFINITE amount of music (aka radio) that was randomly shuffled. Almost seems like the tech back then was beter than the tech now!

    2. Re:I'm really tempted by fonetik · · Score: 1

      "that was randomly shuffled." Thanks to clear channel, that feature has been lost to time also.

    3. Re:I'm really tempted by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1
      Actually, although the number of available songs has decreased (Maybe from 20GB iPod size to 4 GB iPod Mini size) I think the order they are played in is still random.

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  18. pre iPod mini device found by jurt1235 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It just looks like the iPod mini, it is only a bit bigger, and only available in white. The name is the Apple iPod!

    I think there is no connection to the regency TR1 except the colors maybe. But the colors can also come from the mind of a designer or marketeer wanting to make it even more trendy, doing market research and discovering that people want more than just a white iPod.

    If the wheel on the TR1 would have been at the scrollwheel location of the iPod mini, and it would have featured a little screen (analog) to indicate what frequency you were on, than it would have become much more likely that the designers would have seen this device and copied it. They could at that moment even have made it retro on purpose by presenting it as the next evolution if portable audio together with the TR1 (need permission of Regency, if they still exist).

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    1. Re:pre iPod mini device found by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

      I think the similarity is less in the actual product, and more in the idea. Both companies took ideas that were considered radical and new (transistor radio and harddrive MP3 player) and put them in a teeny (for the time, each is teeny) package with a stylish design. I think the compairison is better with the first iPod, as the ipod nano is just a smaller version of that.

  19. Quite a stir by williamhooligan · · Score: 5, Funny
    "The similarity between the two has "created quite a stir" particularly in the Mac community"

    'Quite a stir', eh? Blimey - no wonder those guys only get one mouse button. Any more and they'd soil themselves in wonder.

  20. Did you know... by DenDave · · Score: 3, Informative

    That the tr-1 was featured in BruceBrown's epic surf flick Endless Summer

    In various shots throughout the film you can see Surfer Mike Hynson sporting the little radio throughout their surfari in Africa!

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    1. Re:Did you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shoulda been here yesterday....

  21. A really interesting comparison... by xtracto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really doubt an ipod would be usable after 50 years (with a normal day to day use), it would be interesting to see if some of these radios are still usable.

    In some article they stated the radio was like almost US $300 (on today's dollars). But of course I am sure the "Use N' Throw" culture was still not abundant in the USA.

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    1. Re:A really interesting comparison... by man_ls · · Score: 1

      I don't know about a transistor radio, but until I moved and threw them out, I owned both a 1947-era tube radio, and a 1960s-era tube clockradio, and both still worked reasonably well.

    2. Re:A really interesting comparison... by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      In some article they stated the radio was like almost US $300 (on today's dollars). But of course I am sure the "Use N' Throw" culture was still not abundant in the USA.

      The iPod was $299 when it was first released. I would agree that the current culture of consumer electronics is disposable, but prices have nothing to do with it. People just buy more stuff now than they did then.

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    3. Re:A really interesting comparison... by Secrity · · Score: 1

      The "Use N' Throw" culture in the US for transistor radios probably started sometime in the 1970's. The transistors in the early transistor radios were socketed and could be easily replaced (although even those early transistors were not likely to ever need replacement). I have not worked on a TR-1, however I worked on a great many radios from the 1960's and 1970's and have found that almost all transistor radios that were discarded either worked fine or were discarded due to physical damage, including damage caused by battery leakage. I have seen a number of transitor radios that have gotten wet. As long as the transister radio had been dried promptly, there was no damage caused by the water. I was given a transistor radio that had went through a diswasher; after allowing the speaker to dry out, I turned the radio on and it worked fine. I believe that many TR-1's would still be in playable condition today, assuming: 1. There had been no physical damage (including battery leakage). 2. There had been no improper repairs. 3. The storage conditions were good enough that no corrosion developed. 4. The radio is given a thorough cleaning before it is turned on.

    4. Re:A really interesting comparison... by OreoCookie · · Score: 1

      The TR-1 cost $49.95 in 1954.
      After inflation, what cost $49.95 in 1954 would cost $344.89 in 2005.

  22. Re:Why is Linux so hard to use, compared to apples by B1ackDragon · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking the fact that they _don't_ proofread it and keep getting replies about it (this is the second of the nature I've seen) _is_ the troll. I have to admit, 'tis pretty clever.

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  23. Yet another case mod. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    How long before someone guts an old TR-1 and fills it with the internals of an iPod?

  24. Seems like a nice homage to me. by Oz0ne · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I was a hardware designer, I'd do things like that all the time and wait to see who noticed.

  25. Wasted bandwidth by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

    You have wasted my bandwidth and I will NOT forgive you. I wish I had saved a mod point just for you. ;(

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  26. I like this comment.... by at_slashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The wheel is still circular."

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    1. Re:I like this comment.... by warkda+rrior · · Score: 1

      Some reactionaries still pine for the good old days of square wheels.

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    2. Re:I like this comment.... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      "The wheel is still circular."

      All we need to say is that the new circle is actually a 1-sphere.

      Ignoring the fact that the old circle is a 1-sphere too.

  27. Introducing the Apple i-wuh? by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    The i-wuh? is a new kind of PDA tablet that bears no resemblance to anything you have ever seen, yet you instinctively know how to use it. Now describe it in 500 words or less.

    1. Re:Introducing the Apple i-wuh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      breasts

  28. It looks quite unlike the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...in this original advert. The comparison pictures hide how deep (front-to-back) this radio was.

    1. Re:It looks quite unlike the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those of you interested ... the 1954 retail price of $50 would be $345 in today's dollars.

    2. Re:It looks quite unlike the iPod by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      I'm suspicious of any "then" dollars to "now" dollars comparisons. I don't think it's a linear relation. Also, it depends on what you compare. I used to get a kick out of looking at old magazine and news ads. The amusing thing was when, say, looking at grocery specials and realizing that the same items could be bought for approximately the same prices in 1982 dollars as 1966 dollars. It was surprising that things (like milk, bread, eggs, cheese), were so expensive in the '60s. Other things compare differently, like tobacco, cars, and home prices -- but each of these gives a different curve.

      Was it easier for a technophile to get his hands on $50 in 1954, than it is for a similar person to get $400 today? I think it may have been.

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  29. NEWSFLASH! by sedyn · · Score: 1

    This just in, it appears that Apple has also copied their name and logo from some ancient fruit! News at 11.

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  30. designed by humans for humans by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Given that these products are designed by humans who have likely gone to school to learn designs that work, or at least have looked around to see what designs work and what modes are familiar, there is going to be a great similarity in products.

    For instance, almost every handheld product, including music players, are a rectangle. The short is sized to fit across the hand, while the long end is made form a pleasing proportion. This works, is comfortable, and many people already know how to utilize it.

    Second, the wheel is round because that is how many of us know how to control things. This comes from the fact that in pre-digital age many things were controlled by rheostats. Rheostats used rotational motion to control things like radio tuning, volume, and the like. In the case mention, the radio was likely tuned by turning a large gear on the wheel, which turned a rheostat, which adjusted the resistance in a circuit that tuned the radio. Under a piece of clear plastic, which was marked with an indicator line, the frequency numbers were printed so the user might know approximately the tune frequency. This was a great design,as it provided a simple way to make the radio usable, but was probably more a result of expedient. The combination of the need to fit in the hand, and the need to simply and reliably indicate the radio tuning, gave the device in question it's shape and characteristics.

    Over time changes were made. Some mechanisms were added so the rotational motion of the rheostat could be converted to linear motion so a linear indicator might be utilized. Digital electronics made the rheostat obsolete, but since people knew how to turn knobs, the knob motif continued to be used. Which leads to the iPod. It fits in the hand, which gives it the shape. People know how to use knobs to select, and the knob provides a more continuous experience than up and down buttons. So the big circle transforms from the display to the selector, while the display becomes a square LED. The colors are added to differentiate the product in the market, but are expensive to stock. Really, there is not similarity between the radio and the iPod, except that both devices fit in the hand, and the transistor radio perhaps taught us how to use knobs.

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    1. Re:designed by humans for humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Second, the wheel is round because that is how many of us know how to control things. This comes from the fact that in pre-digital age many things were controlled by rheostats. Rheostats used rotational motion to control things like radio tuning, volume, and the like. In the case mention, the radio was likely tuned by turning a large gear on the wheel, which turned a rheostat, which adjusted the resistance in a circuit that tuned the radio. Under a piece of clear plastic, which was marked with an indicator line, the frequency numbers were printed so the user might know approximately the tune frequency. This was a great design,as it provided a simple way to make the radio usable, but was probably more a result of expedient. The combination of the need to fit in the hand, and the need to simply and reliably indicate the radio tuning, gave the device in question it's shape and characteristics.

      Excellent post - very logical and well thought out. Just one comment - a rheostat is usually a two-terminal variable resistor placed in series with a voltage source. It is used adjust the current in a circuit.

      The radio volume is adjusted with a potentiometer, which is a three-terminal variable resistor with a wiper to adjust the signal level.

      The radio tuning used a variable capacitor similar to the one in this picture http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/photos/rapid/capvar.jp g

      It has two sets of plates with thin polyethylene film between them to prevent shorting. The film also increase the dielectric constant which increases the maximum capacitance in the small volume available. Rotating the control shaft changes the amount the plates overlap, which changes the capacitance. An inductor in parallel with the capacitor provided a resonant circuit. The resonant frequency is expressed by

      F = 1 / (2 * pi * sqrt(LC))

      where

      F = resonant frequency
      pi = 3.1415926...
      L = inductance in Henries
      C = capacitance in Farads

      For a typical maximum capacitance of 365 pF, the inductance required to resonate at 560 KHz is 221.29uH. In order to resonate at 1,600 KHz with the same inductor, the capacitance would have to be reduced to 44.7pF.

      A separate capacitor ganged with the first is required to tune the local oscillator to a frequency 455KHz above the desired signal.

      This allows the incoming signal to mix with the oscillator to produce an intermediate frequency of 455KHz which is where most of the amplification takes place. The concept comes from a French patent during WWI. Armstrong was serving with the US military at the time, and built a version to try to intercept German transmissions, which were thought to be at a much higher frequency than existing receivers could tune to.

      Armstrong later got a patent on the concept, and is now considered the father of the superheterodyne techique, as well as the regenerative and superregenerative receivers, and, of course, FM radio transmission and reception. He ended his life by donning his hat and cape and walking off the balcony of his hotel room. Some dozens of floors above the sidewalk below. Mike

    2. Re:designed by humans for humans by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Rheostats used rotational motion to control things like radio tuning, volume, and the like. In the case mention, the radio was likely tuned by turning a large gear on the wheel, which turned a rheostat, which adjusted the resistance in a circuit that tuned the radio.

      Actually, radios (even small ones) of that era had the tuning knob attached directly to the shaft of a capacitor which was used to tune the radio. Using a rheostat (actually, a potentiometer) to tune small radios via the action of a varactor was not commonplace until the 1970's. In fact, rheostats (a two-terminal device) were seldom used in electronic design past the 1940's except in high-power work, as the more versatile potentiomer could be configured as a rheostat (by connecting the wiper contact to one of the end contacts).

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    3. Re:designed by humans for humans by john82 · · Score: 1

      Rheostats used rotational motion to control things like radio tuning, volume, and the like.

      Rheostats are simply variable resistors. They're also called "potentiometers" or "trimming potentiometers" (aka trimpot). It just happens that this particular instance used rotary action. They also come in linear variaties. As such, the real answer here is that the rheostat was part of the tuning circuit in this instance.

      My dad worked for Bourns in the early 1960s. They still make the guts behind the frequency thumbwheel. Judging from the pictures, Bourns hasn't noticably changed their product design in the last 40 years. :)

    4. Re:designed by humans for humans by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I like the fact that some digital electronics still use "knobs" of some sort. For me, they are lot quicker to dial in than it is to hold a button down until it gets there. Converting motion into control pulses is a good idea, better than button clicks for anything that has a large range of values, such as a mouse on a screen to draw pictures, vs. using keyboard arrows to navigate.

  31. Evidence of Intelligent Design by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is just further proof that highly complex forms suited to particular functionality don't just happen randomly. It takes a mysterious spark of intelligence to create such an elegant form.

    Of course, micro-adaptation might explain the subtle differences between the TR-1 and the iPod, but the genesis of the form is surely supernatural.

    Also, have you noticed that the Wheel Interface is actually just perfect for anyone having a Noodly Appendage?

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    1. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Design by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      "This is just further proof that highly complex forms suited to particular functionality don't just happen randomly."

      (emhpasis mine) Yes, a rectangle to fit in a rectangular pocket and a circle because it is symmetrical on all axes and can therefore revolve... highly complex forms.

      C'mon now, we all know that such forms could have evolved all on their own.

      Any day now, atechogenesis will be demonstrated in vitro.

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    2. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Design by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      I know you're joking, but you're actually right on the spot about intelligent design. These items were intelligently designed by someone who knew what designs humans would like. They didn't just combine e.g. some transistors, an antenna, and a speaker; or a display, a microchip, and a control device, stick them in a random box, and see what designs people bought (which is more or less a genetic algorithm). Granted, they did a little bit of market research, but a large part of it was brainstorming "this looks good, let's write it down, that looks bad, let's throw it away, that's a great idea, let's build it".

      And the wheel interface wasn't designed for humans, it's designed for the variable capacitor in the TR-I and other radios. By the time the iPod started, the need for the wheel was just that humans had become used to wheels in audio devices. Remember that most other audio devices have buttons, not wheels, so the iPod couldn't've easily "evolved" on its own. It's possible - but then why did the iPod arrive at virtually the same time as other music players?

      (I'm not making a statement regarding the truth of biological intelligent design here, just defending its claim to validity. Just as bad as those who would censor evolutionism are those who would censor creationism or intelligent design. Evolution is incomplete, because every scientifically-testable theory must be incomplete. Intelligent design is incomplete, because it depends on faith as much as proof.)

    3. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Design by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      He he ;)

      I read this: It takes a mysterious spark of intelligence to create such an elegant form. as this: It takes a mysterious spark of intelligence to create such an elephant form. - Sure intelligent design in action!

    4. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Design by geeber · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm not making a statement regarding the truth of biological intelligent design here, just defending its claim to validity. Just as bad as those who would censor evolutionism are those who would censor creationism or intelligent design. Evolution is incomplete, because every scientifically-testable theory must be incomplete. Intelligent design is incomplete, because it depends on faith as much as proof.

      It is very simple:

      Intelligent design is not science.

      Therefore, intelligent design should not be taught in science class.

      Keeping intelligent design out of science classes is not censorship. All the other gibberesh about evolution being incomplete, or teaching the controversy, or alternative theories is meant only to muddy the waters and sidesteps the issue:

      Intelligent design is not science.

      Teach science in science classes, religion in religion classes, and philosophy in philosophy classes.

      Simple, eh?

    5. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Design by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Intelligent design is incomplete, because it depends on faith as much as proof.

      No, it depends entirely on faith. There's no reason, at all, to think that all of the factual evidence of evolution has been faked up by a deity with a twisted sense of humor, and that the processes we see around us every day do not result, over time, in the birth of species. Rather, it takes a willful act of self-delusion to ignore all of that evidence, and to embrace instead the fundamentally self-contradictory stuff that's being woven together by the ID crowd in an effort to feel better about their life-long religious choices.

      Really, this all just comes down to people not wanting to feel bad about having been duped since childhood, and not wanting to have been demonstrably lying to their own children about how the universe works. The irony, of course, is that it requires a passionate, deliberate, and sustained act of lying to yourself and your kids to reach the point where you stop feeling so bad about swallowing the whole fairy tale in the first place.

      Devout religious people who want to believe this stuff can certainly identify (one would hope) with the people, even amongst their ranks, who would wince at a person who, as an adult, believes Santa Claus actually makes rounds and delivers presents. Scientists and other basically rational people are doing that exact same wincing as they listen to the True Believers prop up their religious constructs and carefully tap-dance their way through what they will and will not willingly observe right before their church-clouded eyes.

      ID is a "theory" about the origin of species in the same sense that "Santa Clause" is a theory about the origin of gift wrap. A scientist will follow the trail back the paper factory, look at the ink, the wood pulp, and the process... but the True Santa Claus Believers find it more comforting (and, of course, just a lot less work - intellectual laziness is really at the heart of the whole Creationism movement) to imagine that Santa has Elves magically wrapping paper at the North Pole. It's a (not really all that) harmless enough fantasy when you're a kid, but a developmentally normal kid will quickly put that cool meat computer to work and see through the make-believe. How grown-up people manage to cling to the slightly more elaborate make believe that powers so many churches is always amazing to me, but I think shame at the center of it.

      You know... If I just keep pretending I believe, I won't have to confront the fact that I've been sort of a chump all these years. And I won't have to allow for the fact that the universe is completely indifferent to whether or not I exist, and thus have to make my own meaning in my own life through the work of my own mind and character.

      Santa and his variants are so much... more cozy! But just because it feels good to wash your hands of cause and effect doesn't mean you're immune from its impact. I've noticed that people who truly believe the Creationism stuff are content to do so because it's relatively removed from daily life. People used to believe they saw the daily hand of magic in all sorts of nitty-gritty things. But since it's easy now to point to the underlying mechanisms of all sorts of things that used to be mysterious, God's now sitting at the back of the Causality Bus, just being invoked to explain the stuff that it's harder for poorly educated people to immediately grasp. And franky, I wouldn't care, except that those same people are trying to drag science education back into the Dark Ages, and it's frankly embarassing. Not to mention the long term impact on our country's ability to function prosperously in a wider world that does get causality.

      Big response to your short little comment? Yup. And that's a perfect analogy to this whole discussion. The ID crowd wants a tidy little Object O' Faith to explain something complicated, and the scientists and thinkers would rather enjoy the hard work of showing it the way it

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    6. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woah... you guys are loopy as hell - what happened to the iPod discussion? Post this shit somewhere else (where other fucknuts like yourselves may actually want to waste their time reading this).

    7. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Design by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Yup, I shouldn't feed the trolls.

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  32. TFA has a fact wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The device went on sale just in time for hip young gadget freaks to hear Elvis Presley singing That's All Right - recognised by many as the moment at which rock'n'roll was born.

    It is also "recognized by many" that the earth is flat. That doesn't make it so.

    A 1949 song by Little Richard is more commonly and correctly credited with being the first rock song, although it could be argued that John Lee Hooker's 1949 blues song "Shake, Rattle and Run" (later ripped off in tune and most of its lyrics in the late 50s as "Shake, Rattle and Roll") was the first rock and roll song.

    However, the term "Rock and Roll" was coined by Ohio disk jockey Alan Freed in September 1952, a full two years before Prestly's song came out and a full three years after Little Richard's and Mr. Hooker's songs were made.

    One would think a real journalist could do the tiniest bit of research. But I suppose one would be incorrect about that as well.

    1. Re:TFA has a fact wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It didn't help that Elvis Riped off blacks. No one in the south wanted to champion talented black singers including little richard, blind mellon, and Ray Charles. He got his dues though. In 1963 Elvis during a tour briefly visited north Los Angles California-went to a Norms-refused to pay a negro. He ended up getting kicked in the nads, and beeten fairly badly. :)

  33. the TR-1 is important anyway by Evil+Grinn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the TR-1 was in fact the first pocket radio EVAR, then it is a technological and cultural milestone worth remembering even if (as many people here point out) it doesn't look nearly as much like an iPod Mini as TFA claims.

  34. I contest this assertion by Xavier+CMU · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While the two products may resemble each other, this is analagous to saying the PC is really a duplicate product of the typewriter and that the PC is not really an innovative product because the typewriter came before it. Ok, nobody is denying that the two products have a similar look or are capable of doing the same types of things, but the approach taken is so drastically different that saying that apple is lacking in innovation by producing the iPod is ridiculous. The key difference in the product is that they have taken something that was previously an analog interface and without making any changes to our physical interaction with it, converted it to a digital controller to meet the same end.

  35. TR-1 to Walkman to iPod by zarmanto · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Personally, I think that the TR-1 / iPod comparison is a bit weak... but if we're going to do this, we may as well do it right. Have a look at this link: Walkman History 101

    You mean, Apple might have copied the aesthetic design of an old Walkman, and the functionality of an ancient transistor radio?? Could this possibly be an image of the long sought after missing link, between the TR-1 and the iPod?!? Oh no! Technological evolution!! Say it isn't so!!

    Honestly! If Apple's aesthetic design team hadn't researched successful designs of years gone by, I would be absolutely astonished! The innovation here wasn't in the physical appearances of the iPod, (as shown by these images of the TR-1 and that random Walkman on the link above) or in the functionality of the iPod (MP3 players already existed from other companies) or even in the interface design (as indicated by recent patent issues brought up by Creative Technology). Apple's innovation here was the integration of all these distinct elements into a single elegantly designed device: the iPod -- which as everyone knows by now, caused the fledgling MP3 market to finally take root! Simply put, Apple did what others had already been trying to do... but they did it right.

    (Oh yeah... and I guess the iTunes Music Store may have had something to do with it too.)

  36. Innovation isn't just being first by Doomstalk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been known to grumble when people gush over their iPods- especially when words like "revolutionary" are thrown around. The iPod is a good implementation, but Apple gets far too much credit considering that the Diamond Rio and Creative Nomad Jukebox had already taken the title of first portable MP3 player, and the first one with a HDD respectively. That being said, claiming that the iPod isn't innovative is a bit harsh. Innovation doesn't come just from being the first to have an idea, but from successfully combining two existing ideas together (come on, who wouldn't call the chocolate and peanut butter guys innovative?). Apple saw a need in the market for a smaller, lighter HDD-based player with better battery life, and they filled that hole. That's innovative. Similarly, they realized that most of the people who own iPods are fashion/trend-conscious (which is part of my problem with the iPod- but that can be saved for another post), so they added colors to the lineup. Once again they took an already successful idea, and added to it. And once again, I'd argue that they've innovated.
    By the article's logic, neither the TR-1 nor the iPod are actually innovative. The car industry came up with the concept of a product in multiple colors well before then, and the concept of a smaller lighter radio just builds upon the pre-existing transistor radio. What the author doesn't seem to see is that almost all technology builds upon pre-existing ideas. The automobile is based upon the pre-existing idea of the wheel, and the engine- which in turned is built upon the idea of a steam engine. The CD player is the child of the radio, the laser, and the record player. It isn't so much about coming up with the idea first as it is about improving upon it. To be an innovator you don't have to re-invent the mouse trap, you just have to make it better.

    1. Re:Innovation isn't just being first by juuri · · Score: 1

      Neither of those companies had the first mp3 player with a Hard Drive.

      I sure hope you don't grumble too loud when getting mad at the iPod gushers since you don't even have your facts straight.

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    2. Re:Innovation isn't just being first by Doomstalk · · Score: 1

      Ok, guilty as charged. You are correct on both counts. I didn't really research which was first, I just knew that they both predated the iPod (BTW, I said the Rio was the first portable MP3 player- not the first one with an HDD). That being said, the point of the grandparent post remains the same: Apple wasn't first, but they deserve some credit on the innovation front.

  37. Single wheel control? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If the TR-1 has a single wheel control, then what the hell is that other wheel on the top left of the device? Oh that's right, a volume control entirley independent of the tuner.

    If the tuner and the volume had been controlled by the same wheel, I might say there was some similarity (even though the dial is not at all in the same place). But as it is it's like saying the Nano is just like a jucier, or antyhing else with a spinning piece.

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    1. Re:Single wheel control? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      There was a radio that had both tuning and volume controlled by the same knob, some time in the early 1960s. It was an utter disaster, being about as heavy, reliable and asthetically pleasing as the average American car.

    2. Re:Single wheel control? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1
      Only the tuning knob is particularly prominent, or even particularly visible from 10 feet. It is also designed to stand out visually, and for the 1950s this would have been a striking, attractive design. Kind of like the iPod.

      For God's sake, no one is accusing Apple of ripping off the transistor radio, so all the Apple fanboys can stop getting their hackles up. The question isn't whether the TR-1 functions like the iPod - so the point of the combined volume/tuner is moot - the question is whether there are certain common design elements. Clearly, there are. The next question is whether it was intentional. I think the possibility is there. Either way, this doesn't reflect badly on Apple.

    3. Re:Single wheel control? by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1

      Only the tuning knob is particularly prominent, or even particularly visible from 10 feet. It is also designed to stand out visually, and for the 1950s this would have been a striking, attractive design. Kind of like the iPod.

      Or maybe the big tuning disk was not so much a design element as much as it was an engineering choice to allow a normal movement of a thumb to turn the tiny capacitor enough to allow fine tuning of frequencies. Given the state of design in the 1950's (tailfins, anyone?), it's probably a mechanic thing more than a design thing. Which, of course, creates a wonderfully retro design in its wake. Or, a common metaphor that gets ingrained in all the humans doing design work into the future.

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  38. Retro, Not Ripoff by kinglink · · Score: 1

    There's a little difference between matching an old design and ripping it off. TR-1 didn't have the touch pad, or a view screen. The fact that they look the same is an homage if anything.

    Look at the great books through history many of them are similar, especially in Sci Fi. Some are blantant rip off but others give honor to those they reference. There's a difference there and that's the difference between Windows and the Ipod. Windows has constantly ripped off the Macintosh's interface, and yet given no credit, acting like it's their own idea (as well as tabbed browsing, and other special features that they have "given" us) The TR 1 was a small device that played transmited music with a knob to tune, the Ipod is a small device that plays music stored on a 1 gig hard drive. Now to me that doesn't sound like a rip off, it's a homage they look similar.

    I have to say the retro idea is a good move for the Ipod, that's worked in the past, and they just updated it to look better, feel better and work better. No one ever though a Transistor radio would do Mp3s or such and they wouldn't but something that looks similar that does what the Ipod does is ok in my book. Especially once I get my Time Machine working. 1950s here I come!!

  39. How are two wheels the same as one by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The similarily is noexistant. The TR-1 has seperate wheels for volume and tuning, it's as deep as thirty nanos, and the placement of controls is totaly different. Surely in the past there were radio devices similar in design to the nano given the size and control constraints, but this ain't it.

    Some people have an odd obsession to bring down Apple a few notches whenever they can by whatever means possible, this just continues the tradition.

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    1. Re:How are two wheels the same as one by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      Because they were both personal audio devices that became incredibly popular and chnaged the way we listen to music? Who said they were trying to bring down Apple a few notches?

      Some have an odd obsession to take everything as an insult to Apple and a personal insult to themnselves.

  40. Monitor and an Aquarium by razmaspaz · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know I just noticed that my computer monitor looks an awful lot like an aquarium. The monitor has glass on the side...my monitor has glass on the side. The aquarium has black strips on the border, my monitor has black strips on the border. Do you think Dell ripped off the design for my monitor from the aquarium manufacturer? Come on people, this is not news. There is no connection, and we just wasted thousands of Slashdot advertising dollars piping this worthless chunk of bits across the Internet to millions of readers across the world. And yes, we will waste several more thousands pumping my worthless complaint across the Internet as the giddy mindless slashdotters click to read all the comments. Unless of course I get modded down to -1, then we will only send out my subject :-)

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  41. Old news... by Nephroth · · Score: 1

    I hate to piss on the proverbial parade, but this insight is as old as the mini itself... If you haven't either read about this or made the rather shallow comparison yourself, then you are living under a rock.

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  42. Ignore the obvious! by Henriok · · Score: 1

    You must ignore these obvious, but correct, thoughts you have. Listen to the crowd shouting foul!

    My take on this it that Apple and the folks who did the TR-1 investigated what design would be best, and then implemented it. It's not uncommon for two different people to come to the same solution to the same problem. It's even common in nature where for example a flying fox a bat is pretty similar, as are a shark and a dolphin.

    On the other hand.. Jonathan Ive have previously confessed that he does look at other designs and are influenced by them. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they new about the TR-1 while designing the mini.

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  43. What similarity? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay, I give up, what are the similarities?

    The TR-1 has a round metal dial that rotates, mounted on the center shaft of a tuning capacitor.

    The iPod has no metal dial does not rotate, and no tuning capacitor.

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    The TR-1 has a speaker grille with a plain old voice-coil and permanent magnet speaker behind it.

    The iPod has no speaker grille and no speaker.

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    The TR-1 came in a very fragile styrene plastic case, which was likely to shatter at the first drop.

    The iPod comes in a metal and poly-butyl-acrilate case, very sturdy and hard to break.
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    The TR-1 had exactly FOUR transistors, one diode, and a handful of parts, all hand-soldered to a single-layer PC board.

    The iPod has, oh, at least 100,000 transistors, many many parts, all automatically placed and soldered onto a four-layer PC board.

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    OH I GET it NOW! They both have PC boards! WOw!!!

    1. Re:What similarity? by Lothsahn · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention that the ipod scratches MORE EASILY than even the "very fragile styrene plastic case"

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  44. Proof at last that design of pockets ... by fygment · · Score: 1

    ... influences the design of pocket things e.g. pocket radios, pocket mp3 players, pocket protectors.

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  45. Dieter Rams Braun Designs Copied For iPod by cannuck · · Score: 0, Troll

    Apple has been "lifting" COOL ideas/design before the inception of the Mac. Apple "lifted" the graphical interface - GUI/DESKTOP/ICONS - directly from XEROX's PARC research development (settled in court- Apple paid) - PARC also initiated/developed the MOUSE. Many recent Apple products look like direct knock-offs of Dirter Rams designs for Braun's 1950s and 60s sound products. Check out the shirt pocket portable radio/record player. The Braun "Phonotransistor TP1" from the 1950s - played back music from small discs (eh!) as well as radio playback. See down to the bottom of the page at http://www.designboom.com/eng/interview/rams.html

    1. Re:Dieter Rams Braun Designs Copied For iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personel from Apple Computer, Inc, visited Xerox PARC on mutliple occasions pursuant to a written agreement involving stock options being exchanged. There was no court settlement or court involvement whatsoever. Apple and Xerox agreed beforehand and Xerox was paid appropriately (per the agreement) for their services.

      You may be thinking of the Microsoft case in which Microsoft used some specious arguments about contract law to get out of paying for ripping off the graphical user interface found on Apple Computers.

    2. Re:Dieter Rams Braun Designs Copied For iPod by cannuck · · Score: 1

      No - the court case I am referring to - was that Apple$ took Micro$oft to court - for stealing it's (Apple'$ )GUI desktop. Xerox then jumped in and said - "who is stealing what from whom". Apple settled with Xerox.

  46. Better not to by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 1, Informative

    Me thinks you got more karma this way

  47. 1949? Little Richard didn't record until 1951 by tinrobot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and those four records went nowhere. He didn't have his first hit until the mid-50's.

    There are many songs from the late 40's that claim to be the first rock and roll song. Those songs include Ike Turner's Rocket 88, Wynonie Harris' Good Rockin' Tonight, and Fats Domino's The Fat Man. None of those cited, however, are Little Richard's.

  48. It may actually be better! by fonetik · · Score: 1
    It contains a Radio tuner...

    It uses a "Standard" 22 1/2 volt battery... Not soldered in.

    It comes in colors, not just black or white.

    It has a built in speaker (For the music, the click speaker doesn't count.)

    And my favorite... It has a GENUINE superhetrodyne circuit. Not more of those knock off fugazi superhetrodyne circuits!

    Engineered for lifetime performance... or at least for as long as 22 1/2 volt batteries exist.

    1. Re:It may actually be better! by mt-biker · · Score: 1

      It uses a "Standard" 22 1/2 volt battery...

      Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool too. But you can still get them:
      www.batterycountry.com/ShopSite/specialty-cell.htm l

      Makes me start to feel old, looking at the batteries on this page and realising how many of them I remember from my childhood, but haven't seen in years.

  49. learning from history by gqgreg · · Score: 1

    Looks like Apple is just taking a page out of the old history books. Nothing wrong with that.

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  50. Every Good Designer Borrows... by KnarfO · · Score: 1

    ...once in a while. But the truly great artists STEAL OUTRIGHT!

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  51. Pedantic correction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rheostats used rotational motion to control things like radio tuning, volume, and the like.

    Wrong. Tuning was with a variable capacitor or variable coil, ALWAYS. There was never a radio that used a rheostat for tuning. The earliest radios (catwhiskers and their progeny) used a variable coil, while later radios used a variable capacitor, which is a series of metal plates that came together, controlled by a knob or a wheel.

    And the parent poster is confusing a rheostat with a potentiometer. The volume controls were potentiometers, not rheostats.

    You could use a transistor radio to make a guitar fuzzbox. Simply rip out the antenna, the volume potentiometer and the speaker, connect a 1/4 inch input jack to the two outside of the three potentiometer leads, and a 1/4 inch plug to the leads that were previously connected to the speaker.

    When I was a teenager, transistor radios were ~ $10 while fuzzboxes (like all other musician's toys) were expensive as hell. I made a few bucks here and there converting old radios to guitar fuzzboxes.

  52. I compare the ipod to a palm more than anything. by pl1ght · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I compare the Ipod to the Palm handhelds more than anything else. Which is exactly why i havent purchased an ipod yet. Sure the ipod may be "revolutionary" but its integrateable technology. Soon to be assimilated(already even) into the cellphone. Just look at the PSP, its halfway there. MP3s/videos/web/gaming(minus cellphone). All of these techologies will be integrated into each other in the next few years. Making the ipod as insignificant in the future as a stand alone palm handheld is now. We can thank them for their contributions, but its going to be shortlived.

  53. What? by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    I would say that there isn't really THAT much resemblance between them--it's coincidental as TFA quote says.

    I'd be more worried about the similarities between Tiger and Vista! :)

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  54. ten feet? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I don't think the whole iPod nano itself is visible from ten feet. From the looks of other pictures it seemed like you could just about fit a whole iPod nano in the space of the TR-1 tuning dial.

    To me the volume control stood out just as much as the tuning wheel, since it just rather prominently from the front.

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  55. Re:Why is Linux so hard to use, compared to apples by ghukov · · Score: 0

    so the 2 posts above me aren't offtopic eh? well, ghuck you to whoever saw fit to mod me offtopic.

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  56. 2 concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Up close the iPod has "fondalability."

    1. I think you should spell that "fondleability".

    2. I don't think you should fondle your iPod in public.

    1. Re:2 concerns by kfg · · Score: 1

      1. I think you should spell that "fondleability".

      Probably. I knew it was wrong the three times I retyped it trying to get it right. My mind just couldn't come up with the "correct" spelling (yes, I am dyslexic) and I just didn't feel like taking further time to look it up. So sue me. You were smart enough to figure it out.

      2. I don't think you should fondle your iPod in public.

      Don't got one, although I hear you can get one for "free" in exchange for being an annoying asshole.

      KFG

    2. Re:2 concerns by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      i for one would happily be an annoying asshole for the procurement of an item such as an ipod or a plasma tv, but unfortunalty their assholes reward program is only active in the United states.... hrm... mabey thats a good thing...

      damn it i want a free ipod... screw you non global marketing... what about the rest of the planet... we want free things too!

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  57. Actually, these designs do look pretty close.. by boomgopher · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check this out, pretty close to the original iPod

    Modell T4

    Probably more of a coincedence, however.


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    1. Re:Actually, these designs do look pretty close.. by cannuck · · Score: 1

      Accident? Hmm ....OK :0 Where id you find that Braun design - I was looking for other Braun audio products from the 50s and 60s. Hmm you get a 2 and I get a 0. Ha ha ha ha lemmings in the back rooms - all aplogists?6)

  58. better battery on the TR-1 by bobalu · · Score: 1

    At least it's user-replaceable!

    Now the question is, did Triumph steal their car names from it or the reverse?

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  59. And the idiots come out to play by pstreck · · Score: 1

    this guy is a moron. society thrives by improving things that were already created. It's called moving foward and making progress. I tempted to fly to london and smack the bbc around some.

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  60. $343.45 in 2005 Dollars by Mean_Nishka · · Score: 1

    The inflation calculator reports that the TR-1 would have cost $343.45 in 2005 dollars (it cost $49.95 according to a flyer on the TR-1 site).

  61. This just in... by inkdesign · · Score: 2, Funny

    Creative Labs patents TR-1 interface.

  62. Fair resemblance? by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 1

    Let's see. It is rectangular in shape with a round thing on the face.
    Could it resemble to a launderette?
    Or could it look like a pendulum clock?
    Well, it is to be pocket sized ... so I would argue a buck note could fit the shape!
    Fair resemblance is a tough beast!

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  63. I for one am getting sick and tired of this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ./community seems to be filled with too many topic-nazis for lack of a better term. I'm all for modding someone off topic if they begin to deviate the subject into something having nothing to do with the article, but a slight deviation like the parents post (in which the linked article did mention "before the iPod, there was the TR-1") doesn't seem off topic really. Now if someone replied and started talking about transistor radios in general, that would be off topic.

  64. If I can't get FM in the Ipod... by deft · · Score: 1

    Can I get MP3's into this radio?

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    There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
  65. I don't get it... by flav0rc0untry · · Score: 1

    are we excited because they've reinvented the wheel? It is kind of interesting that the old-school radio came in a bunch of different colors like the ipod, but I guess I'm just not impressed otherwise.

  66. Psychics, Above Average Intelligence and Connectio by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    You would think that psychics, tarot card readers and shows like Sci-fi Channel's "Crossing Over with Jonathan Edwards" would prey on those with less intelligence. Actually individuals who are not clever will often be very concrete and literal in their thinking, while more intelligent, creative people will make unexpected connections. "I don't know an Alan, but my recently dead uncle used to look like Alan Alda!" I think an intelligent person, or group of people, saw the resemblance here, when it is really just a coincidence. On the bright side, you can congradulate yourself for being a creative thinker if you saw some mysterious connection between the nano and the radio! Suckers.;-)

  67. Your monitor has glass on the side? by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    I don't understand how your monitor got glass on the side. I mean, this is news. Is it a monitor screen with a 90 degree bend? Why has Dell kept quiet about this? BTW Have you tried an aquarium screensaver? It has increased my productivity 100%!

  68. WTF? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
    The short is sized to fit across the hand, while the long end is made form a pleasing proportion. This works, is comfortable, and many people already know how to utilize it.

    Are you still talking about the radio?

  69. Not a big deal by Psx29 · · Score: 1

    Stuff like this happens all the time, like that old computer that looks like a PS2 which try as I might I cannot find a picture of, so if someone could find a link it'd be great

  70. You are ALL wrong! by Mechcozmo · · Score: 1
    The iPod Nano was sent back in time due to a reality distortion wormhole where the iPod Mini designers thought that it was pretty friggin' awesome, but then as they were eating the Nano it was zapped backwards in time AGAIN to where the TR-1 designers were sitting around causing them to design their device after a half-eaten iPod Nano!!!!!111oneoneoneoneonetwo.

    Duh.

  71. The attempt by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You fail to understand the intent of the story whcih is to point out that Apple has no original designs.

    How popular was the TR-1 anyway?

    I see you carry the same torch.

    I am of course not tied to Apple in any way, you seem to have a rather curious negative attachmnet to them though in that you insist on deriding Apple supporterd. I guess everyone needs a hobby.

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    1. Re:The attempt by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. The article was not trying to say that Apple has no original ideas. It was a humorous article on design, ideas, and innovation. And BTW, I own 2 iPods and an iBook. My next computer will be a PowerMac. Unlike you, however, I have good analytical skills and I'm level minded, so I can see the aricle for what it is. Goodnight.

  72. A Box is a Box is a Box (Cubed) by gevantry · · Score: 1

    Don't people have better things to do with their time than moo around about something like this?

    Oh. I forgot. This is Slash.dot.

    KID: Look at that Lexus, Ma!
    MA: Eh?
    KID: It has four tires, two headlights, and a windshield!
    MA: (Perplexed) Eh?
    KID: Just like our Studebaker!
    MA: (Smack kid upside the head.)

  73. But check out the resemblance here (it's uncanny) by Steven+Reddie · · Score: 1
    Microsoft really have some answering to do...

    Retails box #1
    Retails box #2

  74. Protest over plagiarism! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, Tamas Feher of Hungary hereby protest publicly over plagiarism. I submitted the very same iPod vs. TR1 story to /. almost a full week ago. It is very offending to me to see the front page give credit to someone else, when I have prior write-up. The lack of transparency in story selection on /. is very disturbing.

  75. Oh my god! by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    They're both rectangular! And have circular shapes on them!

    I noticed the iPod mini also bears a suspicious resemblance to the flag of Japan. Someone alert consumer watchdog groups.

  76. ipod mini resembles penis mini by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and my tv remote control too and britney spears hand. you figure it looks like a deck of cards also. wake up stop dreaming ! it is not like those things ! nor like the radio the article is wrong ! it looks crappy.

  77. Re:Psychics, Above Average Intelligence and Connec by pressman · · Score: 1

    But these things look like the Mini's and not the Nano's.

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  78. Designed by humans for humans by Winterblink · · Score: 1

    Big surprise, there's a lot of things out there that will bear a resemblance. Kind of like how the hammer handle is pretty much the same as an axe handle, both of these objects are designed to be held and operated in say one hand. It's only natural the designs will be formed around oh say where your thumb would land and what range of motion it has.

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  79. The Casio VL-Tone was the iPod inspiration? by Starxxon · · Score: 1

    I had already my own crazy theory about the inspiration for the iPod. (Note that I don't think it's necessarily the case, but the similarities are nonetheless interesting, at least to people that knows this synth! If you don't care, stop reading now and sorry for the two clicks you wasted!)

    The Casio VL-Tone (aka VL-1) was the first Casio synth released, in 1981, at a time when they only made watches and calculator. It has been very popular and sold more than a million in the first half of the 80's and one of it's high-pitched rhythm was popularized by the German band Trio, in a song called "Da Da Da".

    http://www.synthmuseum.com/casio/casvltone01.html
    http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/casio_vl1/
    (the seconth linked page says it was released in 1979, but I think it's a mistake)

    How is it similar to the iPod? Both are "portable" digital music playing gadget encased in white plastic and featuring LCD screens. Granted, one is a music instrument and the other a music juke-box, and the VL-Tone is too big to fit in ones pocket. Still the rounded white plastic case, gives a similar feeling to the synth. I don't think it was the first white synth, but still one of the rare synth primarily sold in white at the time. Just like the iPod, it really stood out of the crowd, when at the time. The VL-Tone came with a fake-leather sleeve, so you could avoid scratching it :)

    Functionally, while the original iPod could hold 1000 songs, the VL-1 could store a whopping 99 notes, and that even when the power was turned off! Both have headphone jacks. The screen displayed notes on the VL-1 while on the iPod it can be song titles and lyrics. Both had non-music secondary functions, the iPod has a clock, a calendar and contacts, on the VL-Tone it was a built-in calculator, on a synth! (The story goes that Casio was afraid to go in the synth market, and this has been like a compromise) While the iPod has Linux as a geeky feature, one of the instrument included in the VL-1 had a programmable ADSR instrument, where each digit of the number stored in the calculator memory (M+) would modify an instrument property like, attack, decay, sustain, release and others.

    About 1 or 2 years after the release of the VL-1, Casio released a functionally identical but much more portable version of the VL-1, called the VL-10, it was small enough so you could actually put it in your pocket and had an aluminum casing, just like the iPod mini.

    Obviously there are also many things that are not similar... The VL-1 runs on AA batteries, it has much more buttons (but it's a synth keyboard!). Though it had some professional features like a screen, a real-time and step note sequencer and ADSR programming, the basic sound engine was ehmmm primitive but can be powerfull, very Nintendo-ish, and you couldn't play two notes at the same time. I actually suspect that many japanese NES music composers used the VL-1 to compose some of their tunes.

    Anyhow, since the UK is a very synth-friendly country, and that the VL-Tone design is very iconic and a classic in electronic product design of the 80's, I wouldn't be surprised that Jonathan Ive, owned one of these and was inspired by it.