Slashdot Mirror


Cell Phones Learn to Recognize Their Owners' Faces

An anonymous reader writes "Oki Electric this week began marketing a technology that inexpensively adds face recognition to camera-equipped cell phones. Oki's 'Face Sensing Engine' middleware decodes facial images within 280 milliseconds on a 100 MHz ARM9 processor, and can restrict access to mobile devices by recognizing their owners. Its purpose is to safeguard sensitive personal data -- such as email addresses and phone numbers -- in the event of loss or theft of their devices. The technology works by locating and mapping key facial features -- such as eyes, eyebrows, and mouth -- and adapts to changing facial conditions such as winking and smiling, according to Oki."

198 comments

  1. Woah... by Seoulstriker · · Score: 1, Funny

    Somehow I read "feces", and then I thought about Dilbert dropping his shirt pocket materials down the toilet and even his glasses.

    --
    I am defenseless. Use your button. Mod me down with all of your hatred.
  2. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  3. many special cases to ponder by has2k1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see a bruised accident victim denied access to make an emergency call.

    1. Re:many special cases to ponder by slinky259 · · Score: 1

      Even cellphones without service plans can call 911 - so I see a bruised accident victim successfully completing an emergency call.

    2. Re:many special cases to ponder by afaik_ianal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Although most phones let you make an emergency call no matter what, don't they? I know mine does even when it is pin and keypad locked. You can type pretty much any of the common emergency numbers (911, 112, 000), and it unlocks the phone to call the local emergency number (It appears to nothing until you have typed the entire number). I don't see why these phones would be any different.

    3. Re:many special cases to ponder by smclean · · Score: 4, Funny

      I see someone taking a picture of someone, stealing their cellphone, and holding up the picture in front of it for face recognition.

      --

      "'Yrch!' said Legolas, falling into his own tongue."

    4. Re:many special cases to ponder by rk · · Score: 1

      That's funny... I see someone who is either incapable or unwilling to comprehend the article summary, much less the actual article:

      "Its purpose is to safeguard sensitive personal data -- such as email addresses and phone numbers -- in the event of loss or theft of their devices."

    5. Re:many special cases to ponder by cly · · Score: 1

      Let's remove all doors from cars because a passenger suffering from limb injuries would have trouble opening them and would be trapped inside.

    6. Re:many special cases to ponder by wcleveland · · Score: 1

      Usually most phone disabling services allow emergency calls only. I know that when my phone is "locked" for no phone calls it can be used to make emergency calls and any number set up in a list(i.e. my home).

    7. Re:many special cases to ponder by Hast · · Score: 1

      It may require that you move the camera around the head a bit. That would take care of this problem. (And might actually make it more secure than similar systems such as iris-scan. Since the iris is pretty 2d anyways.)

    8. Re:many special cases to ponder by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yeah, there needs to be a list of numbers you can call even if the phone doesn't recognize you. My ground-line number would be one (so that they can return my phone to me when (not if) I lose it), but above that would be 911.
      The last thing I'd want to see after frying my face in a flash-fire would be:
      Eyebrow failure. Access denied.
      --
      Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
    9. Re:many special cases to ponder by vidnet · · Score: 1

      Could you crack it by brute force if you generate or display a bunch of faces on a screen?

    10. Re:many special cases to ponder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a bruised accident victim denied access to make an emergency call.

      DON'T JUST STAND THERE - HELP THEM OUT!

      and stop wasting precious time posting to slashdot when you could be saving a life!

    11. Re:many special cases to ponder by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      For iris scans, it could test the reaction of the iris to light.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    12. Re:many special cases to ponder by rjshields · · Score: 1

      I see a bruised accident victim not being able to call home.

      --
      In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and flawed car analogies.
    13. Re:many special cases to ponder by rjshields · · Score: 1

      And I see an insulting troll replying to someone who has a legitimate concern.

      --
      In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and flawed car analogies.
    14. Re:many special cases to ponder by rjshields · · Score: 1

      See my sig.

      --
      In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and flawed car analogies.
    15. Re:many special cases to ponder by leuk_he · · Score: 1

      Detecting a 3d move? now you overestimating the possiblities af such an algoritm on a processor challanged platform.

      The difference between a moving picture and a actual moving person may be very hard for an algoritm that was designed to extract key facial features.

    16. Re:many special cases to ponder by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was a homeless bruised accident victim ?

      --

      May contain traces of nut.
      Made from the freshest electrons.
    17. Re:many special cases to ponder by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Ahhhhhh at least if you know the reasno for the failure, you can rectify it.

      For eyebrows, a sort of combround from your earhair should suffice.
      For anything else, you could do a comb up and over from your nasal hair.

      YMMV (even less if your completely bald), but if all else fails, hold up a picture of yourself.

      (herein lies the real problem with automatic facial recognition...)

      --
      liqbase :: faster than paper
    18. Re:many special cases to ponder by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      I see 911 not being available in that area, or getting the old "911 Emergency Please Hold" message and being unable to call your family.

    19. Re:many special cases to ponder by magarity · · Score: 1

      I see a bruised accident victim not being able to call home
       
      Be happy that it isn't bad enough to need 911 and you can wait a bit to borrow someone else's phone if there's a problem with your own.

    20. Re:many special cases to ponder by chrisnewbie · · Score: 0

      Maybe it could be setup to prevent ugly girls from text messaging you!

    21. Re:many special cases to ponder by Hast · · Score: 1

      Not really, I've seen demos for things like this.

      You don't have to do face detection on the realtime video in any case. You want to assert that the person isn't simply holding a 2D picture of the owner in front of the camera. That is a much easier problem than what you are proposing. And if they can do realtime face detection/recognision I wouldn't be surprised if they can do something like this as well.

  4. I am not a secret agent. by tuna_boat_tony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All of this security is great if you're a secret agent, but I am not employed by the CIA. If I were to loose my phone, I would hope the finder would use the information in there to try to return the phone. What happens when someone with good intentions finds my phone and can't return it because I presumed him/her to be a theif and "safe"guarded it with this new technology?

    1. Re:I am not a secret agent. by Kaimelar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I were to loose my phone . . . What happens when someone with good intentions finds my phone and can't return it?

      Dude, what to you think will happen if you just turn your phone loose like that? Keep it on a leash and you won't have to worry about someone returning it. ;-)

      All in good fun. Now let me post something on-topic so I don't seem like a jerk. My last PDA had a feature that would show a certain screen when locked -- the idea being that if it was lost, your data was still behind a password, but you could put a message saying, "If you find this device, please contact John Doe at . . . " on the chance that the finder would have the good intentions you speak of and return it. Perhaps phones could have something similar? Of course, a similar solution in your case would simply to not turn this security feature on.

    2. Re:I am not a secret agent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They hang onto it and wait for you or a friend of yours to call.

    3. Re:I am not a secret agent. by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      And they can't answer it because they don't have the right face. Try to keep up.

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    4. Re:I am not a secret agent. by Mr_Icon · · Score: 1

      Don't turn this feature on, then, or buy a different phone. It's not like the government is mandating that this is installed and available on all phones, ever. Sheesh.

      --
      If you open yourself to the foo, You and foo become one.
    5. Re:I am not a secret agent. by Tahir+Azhar · · Score: 1

      Good point. Lets try this. So where are you dropping your latest mp3-camera-does-laundry phone?

    6. Re:I am not a secret agent. by teknopagan · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, your phone recognizes YOU!!!

      --
      The Russian Mafia will mod you down just to see if the Moderate button works.
  5. yy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yy

  6. Very interesting idea by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's easy to offhandedly say who cares about the phone numbers of my friends and family. But for a sales force, keeping their contacts' information secure is one very important aspect of the job. If it is possible to create this security without requiring large lagtimes (like entering a PIN) or fault-prone hardware (fingerprint scanners), security becomes easier and safer than before for the average user.

    I'd be anxious to see how well it works in the real world before trying it out, but if it is an inexpensive piece of middleware, I wouldn't be surprised if it started turning up on the high-end phones in Japan and Korea. I'd be surprised if they started showing up here in the U.S., but I'd be surprised if any sort of cutting-edge technology showed up for general consumption here.

    I wish they had a demo.

    --
    Jesus saved me from my past. He can save you as well.
    1. Re:Very interesting idea by bluelip · · Score: 1

      Are any bypasses allowed?

      Let's just say I was in a car accident and because of this, my face isn't as was recorded in the phone. Would I still be able to dial 911?

      --

      Yep, I never spell check.
      More incorrect spellings can be found he
    2. Re:Very interesting idea by ReformedExCon · · Score: 1

      My guess is that only the phonebook and recently called/received lists would be blocked. This is to safeguard the information on the device, not to make it impossible to make calls.

      Although I'm sure that you'd be able to set that too. However, as others have noted in this thread, emergency calls can still be made from PIN-locked phones and phones without any service provider. It's a software setting, so it's probably up to the user how much or little access he wants to grant unauthorized users.

      --
      Jesus saved me from my past. He can save you as well.
    3. Re:Very interesting idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Studies have repeatedly shown that human beings can only reliably tell apart other people of the same race, and that they cannot distinguish between people of other races barring obvious differences in size or hair color (i.e. no discerning facial features). Will this software have the same problem> I wonder if it was only programmed to see differences in Japanese faces?

    4. Re:Very interesting idea by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      If it is possible to create this security without requiring large lagtimes (like entering a PIN) or fault-prone hardware (fingerprint scanners), security becomes easier and safer than before for the average user.

      Thing is, I would say this technology fails that requirement. Sure, the software can parse the image in 200ms, but that's just bullshit marketing. On my device, it takes at least a second to initialize the camera. You need to line up the camera to take the picture, meaning that you either have to use the convex mirror many phones have, or use the display. Either way, it's going to be a lot slower, less reliable and more cumbersome than entering a 4-digit PIN on a keypad.

    5. Re:Very interesting idea by 3.14159265 · · Score: 1

      Is it just too much to ask the average user to remember and type 4-digit PINs?
      I've always thought the k.i.s.s. philosophy was a good one...
      ---------
      Born stupid? Try again.

    6. Re:Very interesting idea by PakProtector · · Score: 1
      Studies have repeatedly shown that human beings can only reliably tell apart other people of the same race, and that they cannot distinguish between people of other races barring obvious differences in size or hair color (i.e. no discerning facial features). Will this software have the same problem> I wonder if it was only programmed to see differences in Japanese faces?

      That's funny, I'm a White Anglo Tueton Unitarian Pagan (WAT UP), and I'd give probablitiy greater than .99 I'm masturbating to Utada Hikaru instead of some other Japanese Woman's picture.

      --

      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    7. Re:Very interesting idea by Alistar · · Score: 1

      No, it should not have the same problem. It is identifying a face based on key facial features. These features are calculated independant of race. The problem people have in recognizing those of other race is psychological not what we actually see.

  7. Hello? Hello? I'm trapped... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in a car trunk! I was kidnapped but fortunately I have my cellph...
    [BEEP]
    *Invalid User*
    *Terminating Call*
    [CLICK]

  8. What if you are wearing a mask? by Belseth · · Score: 1, Funny

    This could have a serious downside for serial killers. Just image the movie Scream if their telephone required facial recognition? It may sound like a good idea but such things often have unforseen problems like ruining storylines to "B" horror films.

  9. But what if by OneArmedMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    my evil Twin gets hold of it ?

    1. Re:But what if by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Why... he could Rule the World!

    2. Re:But what if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem! The camera can easily identify your evil twin's goatee

    3. Re:But what if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries! The cell phone camera will pick up on his goatee.

  10. Sounds really inconvenient... by RandomPrecision · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...if you're Michael Jackson.

    1. Re:Sounds really inconvenient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell was that modded informative???

    2. Re:Sounds really inconvenient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Paris Hilton has to be wild about this...

  11. New crime wave? by DeafByBeheading · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news, muggers to start taking photos of their victims.

    Seriously, I wonder if this can be fooled by a picture. Although it'd still provide some security if you just lost your phone somewhere...

    --
    Telltale Games: Bone, Sam and Max
    1. Re:New crime wave? by bullshit+detector · · Score: 1

      Better to just play it safe and take the entire facial skin. If wearing it in public gets you too many odd looks, you can always make a photo of it later. BTW, storage in the fridge away from baking soda and an occasional wipe with saddle soap will keep your passwords their freshest.

  12. Uh, great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And what if for some reason I need to use my cell phone in the [i]dark?[/i]

    1. Re:Uh, great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IR leds?

    2. Re:Uh, great. by Dysproxia · · Score: 1

      Use regular old password?

  13. Re:Linux users: Read this by RandomPrecision · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    I know who you are, Anonymous Coward. And I know why you don't like Linux.

    But I'm going to bury you. I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill you, Steve Ballmer.

  14. Re:Linux users: Read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ">" means "greater than."

  15. Cost of failure is too low to justify this by Anonymous+Cowdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think they are treating the phone a little too much like a gun.

    It's not like it will be the end of the world if someone can access my personal phone information. I can control what I store on there; it's my own choice whether to put private things in a phone, and while the list of people I call is private, it's really not that big of a deal. And there are other ways of remotely restricting access.

    Seems like a case of some technologists with a hammer, looking for a nail.

    1. Re:Cost of failure is too low to justify this by sunwolf · · Score: 1

      I think cell phones are becoming too much like pet squirrels. Soon, they'll learn to breed like crazy during summer - they already know how to hibernate.

    2. Re:Cost of failure is too low to justify this by modecx · · Score: 1

      As silly as I'd feel talking to a robotic squirrel phone, I'd mostly just hope it wouldn't bury my nuts when I was sleeping.

      --
      Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
    3. Re:Cost of failure is too low to justify this by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I think they are treating the phone a little too much like a gun.

      Ah, but phones don't call people; people do!!

      It's not like it will be the end of the world if someone can access my personal phone information.

      Depends what info you have on their. Some folks, like myself, have a PDA with ALL of my personal information on it. Schedule, family, phone banking, all of it. No passwords for sure, but more than enough info to commit idenity theft etc, or know when my house (address is listed) is going to be empty!

    4. Re:Cost of failure is too low to justify this by francisew · · Score: 1

      I disagree entirely. Phone numbers aside, many cellular phones these days cost nearly 1000$. If they don't justify some higher level of protection (render them unusable for thieves, protect the owner from liability for expenses incurred by calls by a thief, etc...)

      I think we need a combination of the technologies, such as gait detection, facial and voice recognition. Because the sensors being employed are already a part of the phone hardware, I think it's silly not to include them.

  16. Only 1 owner ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, when there is a new owner of the phone, the phone must track down the old owner and kill him so he can free up the memmory for the new owner's face ...

  17. Problem with biometrics by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem I have with biometrics is that in the case of fingerprints, face scans, eye scans etc.. is that somebody could always chop off the particular body part to get access. With a password, you can't kill someone to get at it - or you lose the password entirely.

    Passwords are pretty good IMHO.
    Discuss.

    --
    READY.
    PRINT ""+-0
    1. Re:Problem with biometrics by jesser · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A criminal might find it easier to take a photograph of you than to steal your face.

      --
      The shareholder is always right.
    2. Re:Problem with biometrics by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yep, instead of losing a finger or getting your face pushed into a scanner (Solid Snake style) you get tortured for *hours* until you're willing to giveup not just your password but the whereabouts of the safe, your wife and children and those military secrets you never told anyone about. Good plan.

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    3. Re:Problem with biometrics by SeekerDarksteel · · Score: 0

      Yes, but significantly less fun!

      Now where the hell is John Travolta when you need him?

      --
      The laws of probability forbid it!
    4. Re:Problem with biometrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now where the hell is John Travolta when you need him?

      Let's just hope it never comes to that.

    5. Re:Problem with biometrics by Jessta · · Score: 1

      The problem with most advances in security creates a situation where physical harm to the owner of the device becomes nescessary to steal the device.
      eg. Engine imobilises have decreased car theft but increased car jacking. which is much more dangerous to the owner of the car.

      But I suppose, who is going to torture someone for their password to their phone.

      --
      ...and that is all I have to say about that.
      http://jessta.id.au
    6. Re:Problem with biometrics by PakProtector · · Score: 1
      Yep, instead of losing a finger or getting your face pushed into a scanner (Solid Snake style) you get tortured for *hours* until you're willing to giveup not just your password but the whereabouts of the safe, your wife and children and those military secrets you never told anyone about. Good plan.

      Hey, if you include a free 'Recantation of Your Helio-centric Heresy' in that thing, I think we're good to go!

      --

      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

  18. Re:Is this really cost effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe $6 a unit.

    Seriously, if you're just going to cheap out on your cellphone, stick with Nokia. At least they will charge you a lot so you can feel good about your crap phone.

  19. Just Great.. by Druox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Face recognition? I think that's the last thing most people would want - It would be the high-school-blind-date-gone-wrong scenario. Millions would get their new "face recognition" phone in the mail...Open it up, and it takes one look at you and scrolls across the screen "Oh..wow..um yeah, I think that I just wanna be friends... you're a really nice guy though." Nothing like being shut down by a Motorola, especially the one with the nice ass (charger base).

    --
    ~ slashdot.org - Where some of the world's greatest minds come together to scrutinize grammar.
  20. Wouldn't it be nice by ReformedExCon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wouldn't it be nice if phones were so cheap that after a year or two of use you wouldn't mind tossing and picking up a new one for a few dollars?

    --
    Jesus saved me from my past. He can save you as well.
    1. Re:Wouldn't it be nice by DoubleRing · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be nice if phones were so cheap that after a year or two of use you wouldn't mind tossing and picking up a new one for a few dollars?

      Kind of like watches and solar calculators are nowadays. Wasn't it only a few decades ago that those things were pretty pricy? I won't know: that's before my time.

      --
      Before you die, you see DoubleRing...
    2. Re:Wouldn't it be nice by ag0ny · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be nice if phones were so cheap that after a year or two of use you wouldn't mind tossing and picking up a new one for a few dollars?

      They already are.

      Oh, wait, you're in America... ;-)

    3. Re:Wouldn't it be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. Ugh by patrickclay · · Score: 0

    I would be impressed if such a technology could be pulled off seamlessly on a high resolution camera - but a camera phone? Call me skeptical but I don't see this ever happening...

  22. Huh... by AussieBastard · · Score: 1
    ...and adapts to changing facial conditions such as winking and smiling
    So does this mean we'll be able to send emoticons in text messages... using our face? Woah, what an age we live in...
    1. Re:Huh... by ReformedExCon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Were you just joking, or did you get a chance to see this little animated GIF demo:

      http://www.oki.com/jp/FSC/vc/en/

      --
      Jesus saved me from my past. He can save you as well.
    2. Re:Huh... by Celsius+233 · · Score: 1

      I KNOW.. I mean, to type :-D, you're actually going to have to smile! And to type LOL, you better be laughing out loud. And you can't type ROTFLMAO without actually doing it. Literally. Granted, there may be damage to phone and/or user from typing :-! or X-P, but that's the price you pay to shave seconds off your text messaging time.

      --
      Denham's Dentrifice, Denham's Dentrifice, Denham's Dandy Dental Dentrifice, Denham's Dentrifice Dentrifice Dentrifice.
  23. Wow talk about useless by Allnighterking · · Score: 1

    Seriously though the only time I "lost" a phone facial recognition wouldn't have helped. Fecal yes, facial no. Sorry but it's imparative to all that they know.

    "Whatever Security does for you it also does to you"

    --

    I'm sorry, I'm to tired to be witty at the moment so this message will have to do.

  24. What is your definition of high resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The typical camera phone in Japan supports 2 megapixels. Samsung supposedly released a phone in Korea that supported 6 megapixels.

    The phones you are used to in your backwater country are basically crap, so I can see where you gained your opinion. However, don't be so quick to dismiss this kind of technology just because your operators don't support modern cellphones.

  25. Why oh why.... by 2Bits · · Score: 1

    Call me grumpy old man, but why does everything have to have face recogniation, fingerprint, video, camera, mp3 player, etc in it?

    1. Re:Why oh why.... by salparadyse · · Score: 1

      To get you good and used to being scanned so when they bring the implanted chip in you'll be ready and won't worry about it.

  26. "Whaaa!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make one that smiles and the owner and cries at strangers... And I'll show you a Slashdoter with 100% of his/her child raising instincts fulfilled.

  27. What If... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have an aging disorder and we age 10 times faster?

    Or if I get into a horrific accident and my face burns up?

  28. Yeah, Real Secure There by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this better than a good password? My passwords are private. My face is public and goes everywhere I go. All someone has to do to crack my phone is take a picture of me, print it, and show it to my phone. Bang, now they can call Elbonia on my dime.

    --

    Washington, DC: It's like Hollywood for ugly people.

    1. Re:Yeah, Real Secure There by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      You are aware that hacking the cell phone network is easier than stealing someone's phone and gives you the ability to perform infinitely greater levels of fraud right?

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    2. Re:Yeah, Real Secure There by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 1

      It's only easier for a few people. There's a great chance that J. Random Thief is not going to be one of those few people.

      --

      Washington, DC: It's like Hollywood for ugly people.

  29. Re:Is this really cost effective? by ro_coyote · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "who would pay the difference?"

    People that are horrible with remembering passwords, and/or people that just don't know any better.

  30. FIRST P00000ST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I WIN IT????

  31. Reported back in March... by SD_92104 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Haven't we heard this already half a year ago? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/02/174 9200

  32. This is a good idea. by killa62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    however, wouldn't the security of this "technology" be compromised by merely taking a picture of the owner with a camera and then stealing the phone? The phone will react to the face on the printed picture and allow access to it, potentionally allowing the thief to disable this "feature" and resell the phone..
    How likely is this
    In other words...
    1. Take picture/video clip of person owning phone
    2. Steal it!
    3. Print picture or show vid clip using your computer monitor
    4. disable the identity protection
    5. ???
    6. PROFIT!!!

  33. Once you've stolen Paris Hilton's phone... by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... just go pick up a copy of People magazine and hold up the picture in front of the phone.

    --
    Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  34. Re:Linux users: Read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, mod his down, because the other two certainly weren't OT. Make the bastard pay for not being anonymous.

  35. It's already a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I'm not talking about crap phones either. I just bought a new cellphone (SH701is) and after discounts it ended up being only 3000 yen.

    I'm expecting a huge technology shock when I get back to the US. I've been so spoiled with good cellular here in Japan that the American system just looks like a joke.

  36. One Step Behind by QuantumMajo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Oki Data is late to the biometrics party in Japan (IRTA). This topic is late to the party (Anyone remember March 3rd, 2005 Slashdot Post "Face Recognition Comes to Cameraphones")... Move along, nothing for your cell phone to see here.

  37. Iris recognition anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iris recognition is simpler, more reliable, and much more robust. Even identical twins don't have the same iris patterns. You could fit a camera suitable for taking iris photos inside a phone using today's technology. Also, there are ways to detect whether the camera is looking at a live eye or a fake one, such as tracking the high frequency contractions of the iris diameter for a few seconds.

    An iris doesn't wink or smile, and it would take some seriously disfiguring injury to damage your eyes to the point of unrecognizability, at which point you would probably not have much need for a shiny cell phone anyway.

    1. Re:Iris recognition anyone? by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it would work in ultra-macro mode only - such camera would ned serious lens twisting to be able to make normal photos too. A photo of a landscape or a car, or your ass can be made with about the same lens as an "ID photo" of your face. A photo of your iris - can't. There's less difference in focus settings between 1m and infinity than between 1cm and 3cm.

      --
      Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
  38. Not good for accidents by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    You've just been in a car accident where your head goes through the windshield. You try and dial 911, but your hal-9000 phone politely informs you,"You're not Dave. Daves not here man." So you can't call for help.

    1. Re:Not good for accidents by gibson_81 · · Score: 1

      Don't phones in the US allow calls to 911 even when it's locked? Here in Sweden, you can dial 911 (or 112, as it is in the EU) with keylock activated, and if the phone is turned off, you can press "Cancel" when asked for a PIN, and still dial 911 - specifically so that you can pick up someone else's phone to dial for help ...

    2. Re:Not good for accidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why aren't you wearing your seatbelt?

      Also, the phone can simply allow emergency calls to go through. For example, my Sony Ericsson lets me call 911 even if the keys are lockedd.

  39. already taken care of by jacen_sunstrider · · Score: 1
    1. Re:already taken care of by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      It'd be nice if I didn't have to wreck my night-vision to use my phone.

    2. Re:already taken care of by idonthack · · Score: 1

      If it can work around winking it will also probably work around both eyes being closed.

      --
      Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
  40. Voice Recognition? by Ma3oxuct · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find it way more practical to have voice recognition than facial recongnition for security reasons. Someone's voice could get recorded and then played back, but if a specific phrase would be recognized only, then it would be kind of tough to force a the owner to say it to a recorder.

  41. That's just great by haggar · · Score: 1

    so on a bad hair day you don't need to talk on the phone, either!

    --
    Sigged!
  42. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now all we need is a cellphone with a little robotic arm and a sophisticated AI capable of recognizing dolts who talk too loudly about personal matters, and then slapping them silly!

  43. Wouldn't it be easier by coleblak · · Score: 1

    to just put a biometrics pad and make it only boot and/or be able to call if one of your fingerprints match? Give it enough memory you can do all ten fingers in case you end up breaking a hand and also add your SO's/children's/parent's fingerprints as backups. Making a camera do it means more manipulation. A fingerprint reading pad in a spot that most fingers touch is a lot simpler than having it run Video IQ on your face. Fingerprint scanners that small would be fault prone but not as much as something that runs a scanner that expects you to have no beard, no bandages, always have glasses on/off, and so on.

    --
    77 HITS
    Really Long Off Topic Combo
    1. Re:Wouldn't it be easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't it be easier for you to shut the fuck up

      JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP

    2. Re:Wouldn't it be easier by sdnoob · · Score: 1

      easier yes.. but then the conspiracy between the feds and phone makers would be broken... put a face to a phone number and then the feds get said face whenever they scream "patriot act"... the "terrorists", drug dealers, soccer moms, etc.. thinking they're protecting their phones end up just giving the feds a good, clear, and current, mug shot.

      a fingerprint pad makes so much more sense and would be more universally accepted.. camera phones are banned in many places, many customers don't want camera phones.. the technology is easier to implement, requires less computing power to authenticate or store the data, and is a tad harder to fake using just a photograph. :)

      and would be a lot less awkward to use, even if a phone has *two* cameras.... i can just see some bozo driving down the freeway holding his phone in front of his face... that's worse than just talking on it.. sheesh.

  44. oh great by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Attention, Ugly, you have voicemail"

  45. Now I understand... by blueadept1 · · Score: 1

    ... what dual cameras are for. But then again, not really, since they were released before this. Someone please explain.

  46. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The CIA has announced its backing for the FACE act ("freedom and cameras everywhere") requiring facial recognition software to contain a database of most wanted mugshots, and report matches to the authorities."

  47. But, what about ... by papukanghi · · Score: 0

    ... bad hair days?

    --
    ( 2b || !2b)
  48. But, are security concerns gonna be answered? by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Informative

    GODDD, is this news? I wonder what they're doing for security.

    Even before following TFA's link, I recalled hearing or reading about this when I was in Japan from Dec 04 to Feb 05. So, for this response, I "googled" it, and though I left on 24 Feb, and these links I'm supplying are dated 28 Feb, the news is sourced from material in the making long before that.

    OMRON Announces 'OKAO Vision Face Recognition Sensor', World's First Face Recognition Biometric for Mobile Phones

    http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?Art_ID=9494

    Face-recognition security comes to mobile phones
    http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7172421600.html

    As for the Omron URL, this is an excerpt:

    "To use the unit, the user simply takes his or her own photo. The 'OKAO Vision Face Recognition Sensor' will automatically detect the user and unlock the unit. The identification process takes less than a second from snapping the photograph. Further, their is no need to adjust the camera position when taking the photo. If the face is included in the photo, the sensor will detect the owner automatically."

    However, it says nothing to ally to allay fears that a thief could place before the camera a picture of the owner of a stolen camera. It might be possible that the camera may someday have strobes or some thermal sensors that try to detect heat from a human body temp range, but that could be fooled with a transparent "Mission: Impossible" mask of the Gerry Anderson type (I purposely ignored the recent MI stuff since I loath money-grabbing remakes or remakes-in-title).

    I suppose a good security feature set would include:

    1. thumb or finger sensor with thumb print/fingerprint biometrics
    2. retinal scan (with enhancements to determine live/dead eyeballs
    3. breath, saliva or mucous tissue sample scan and later match/compare
    4. electrolytic sample (to determine voltage of live/dead person)

    If they can do that (put a mini-lab in the phone) then probably only CIA, NSA, MI6 and Japan's pending MI6, Mossad, and others would surely buy up these phones, or any other devices so equipped/secured.

    Image word: entice, just as this "article" was "enticing"...

    --
    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
    1. Re:But, are security concerns gonna be answered? by Nermal6693 · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one that read "Omron" as "Moron"?

  49. augmented reality by sonamchauhan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe one day this will be built into 'augmented reality' spectacles : you see an old colleague after years, and your glasses mark him up as "Mark Jones"

    1. Re:augmented reality by DeathByDuke · · Score: 1

      what if hes all wrinkly and old? does it come up as 'old git'?

  50. Not again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already made some "sophisticated" walking recognition device for cell phones. It was an agreement (among /.) that many, many things could go wrong, e.g. limping (woops), and now face recognition... You get in a fight, break a bone, get bruises. What are they going to base the scanning on?

  51. threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "I'm gonna beat you so bad, even your cellphone won't recognize you!"

  52. ICA anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know what mathematics are being used to perform the face recognition? Image and pattern analysis algorithms have come a long way lately, I think this will probably work. If not Oki's offering then some later one, assuredly.

  53. Re:Is this really cost effective? by photon317 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    IMHO, Nokia makes the best cellphones around. The number one thing I think they do better than everyone else is build well-design intuitive human interfaces (both in terms of onscreen menus and the hardware of the phone itself (button types, locations, etc)). Aside from that, they're pretty solidly built for a cellphone, and in my experience tend to get better reception in poor-reception areas. I would pay more for Nokia anyday.

    --
    11*43+456^2
  54. But.... by fatmal · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm right-handed and I've got more freckles on the right side of my face - if, for whatever reason, I hold the phone to the left side of my face does the phone still work?

  55. A flash might not always be the answer by djlurch · · Score: 1

    A flash would alert others that you are making a call. Not the ideal solution if you are trying to call the police on an intruder.

    1. Re:A flash might not always be the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the intentions of the face recognition was to safeguard your contacts, so to make a call you would not have to ID yourself.

  56. In other news... by diztort · · Score: 0

    The government just announced that by using phone technology, they all have our faces on database now...

    --
    I was a stranger for the thing, i wasn't facing the crowd, ive been riding on empty with my head in the clouds
  57. Can you turn this off? by The+Mutant · · Score: 1

    I've got a couple of HP iPaq 5450's, the models with the finger print reader (to be used in lieu of a PIN).

    I've disabled the drivers for the reader, as it chews up too much CPU. It would be one thing if the reader were only active when authentication were requested, but the way it works out of the box it is always active and renders the machine somewhat unresponsive at times.

    Neat trick, but I just don't use the feature.

  58. Re:Is this really cost effective? by vidnet · · Score: 2, Interesting
    How much more does this technology cost than a password protection algorithm built into the phone and who would pay the difference?

    Maybe $1 for the algorithm license and $0 for the components (provided it already has a camera).

  59. Mr. Oki by UnkyHerb · · Score: 1

    Damn, if they would've made that guys picture just a little bigger.. I could've printed out his picture and stuck it up to his phone and defeated that cheap, yet expensive security feature. Seriously, why market a technology like that when I'm sure that it would be trivial to defeat it.

    --
    Your Momma's so fat she makes emacs look like nano!
    1. Re:Mr. Oki by dasubergeek · · Score: 1

      Hey Chris Call Chris

  60. Already exists... by Sviams · · Score: 2, Informative

    Such functionality is actually common in my part of the mobile world (Symbian/UIQ), for example my Motorola A1000 does exactly what you describe and I'd suspect others do as well.

    My own idea for protecting content on a mobile phone is to encrypt all personal data, including calendar entries, contacts, SMS messages (in the air as well as on the device) and potentially also VoIP data.

    1. Re:Already exists... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1

      Pocket PC devices display the "Owner Information" data on the password screen. My last phone didn't do this however. My data is more important than the (replaceable) hardware. I'd rather not have it back & claim insurance than know that someone out there (who is a potential thief) has a complete copy of my schedule, including info on my home address and when I'll next be out of the country.

    2. Re:Already exists... by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had the same problem, but I solved it. I added extra things on my schedule the potential thief would be sure to find...

      - .357 magnum arrives in mail - decide which gun i should sell (if only they made gun racks that could hold 25 guns instead of 24!)
      - speak at the academy about my personal experience of the stopping power of armor-piercing vs. hollow point. Bring a few guns for the demo.
      - Building inspector arrives - remember to disable the booby traps near the garage
      - Feed the man-eating lion in the basement. Secure door so he doesn't get out again.
      - Tell whacky Dave across the street that he can't stay up all night practicing for sniper school. It's not funny when he draws a bead on me at 3 am when I go to the bathroom.

  61. What happens if... by el_womble · · Score: 1

    You've just been mugged, your face looks like hamburger, you need to call 112 and your phone kicks you in the balls by telling you it doesn't like your face anymore.

    Biometrics are ok, but you need to use more than one - facial recognition on its own won't be any good.

    --
    Scared of flying, pointy things snce 1979!
    1. Re:What happens if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      on most phones you can call emergency assistance even if there is a password/key lock.it will let you type in the numbers in a given time frame and then let you dial. it wont cost you a cent so you dont even need a sim card in the phone for this to work.

      so there would be no problems with dialing 112.

    2. Re:What happens if... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      and your phone kicks you in the balls by telling you it doesn't like your face anymore.

      GSM phones (not sure about other types) will always call emergency if you type 112 into the keypad, regardless of security. They will even do this without a sim card installed.

  62. I love my beard by Mr.+Fazer · · Score: 1

    We dont take kindly to devices that don't take kindly to our growing beard B-) Why on earth did this moron reply on something as absurd as facial features. Ohh... Marketing-Manager@Cosmetics.com eh? :-)

    --
    My favourite place : 127.0.0.1
  63. How is this better than a PIN? by Tim+C · · Score: 1

    Most mobile phones I've owned have had the ability to set a PIN that must be entered either at phone startup or when unlocking the key pad. Given all the ways in which facial recognition can fail (and I've had a couple of friends in accidents and fights that have left them so brused and swollen *I* had trouble recognising them), what possible advantage is there other than the "wow, cool!" factor?

    1. Re:How is this better than a PIN? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I could imagine a better use than security would be to let it scan other's faces, and then have the name displayed. That would help with bad name memory.

      One problem of course would be how to do it without the other one recognicing it.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  64. shaving by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    Does that mean I will have to start shaving on a regular basis?

  65. IMPOSSIBLE by omar+alfaidi · · Score: 1

    that is just impossible to do, how can cell phones recognize their female owners with and without makeup?

  66. Phones of the future by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1

    Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL do you read me, HAL? HAL: Affirmative, Dave, I read you. Dave Bowman: Connect me to Sprint, HAL. HAL: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. Dave Bowman: What's the problem? HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL? HAL: This service is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL? HAL: I know you and Frank were planning to discontinue your phone service, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. Dave Bowman: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL? HAL: Dave, although you took thorough precautions against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.

  67. Re:Phones of the future (erm, should've previewed) by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1

    Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL do you read me, HAL?
    HAL: Affirmative, Dave, I read you.
    Dave Bowman: Connect me to Sprint, HAL.
    HAL: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
    Dave Bowman: What's the problem?
    HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
    Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
    HAL: This service is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
    Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL?
    HAL: I know you and Frank were planning to discontinue your phone service, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
    Dave Bowman: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
    HAL: Dave, although you took thorough precautions against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.

  68. NOT SECURE. Worst than a password protected phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this secure? All the guy, who stole my cell phone, has to do is place my photo in front of the camera and hes in!!

    Others can't steal my password from my head, but they can always take my pic

    Lame idea. not worth

  69. I shaved my beard off the other day by Ibn+al-Hazardous · · Score: 1

    Now, to use the phone - I'd have had to:
    1) login
    2) shave
    3) keep the phone awake while shaving
    4) update the image

    Failing at one of these steps would have rendered the phone unusable. What's the solution to this?

    Easy: Integrate a razor into the phone!

    --
    Yes, I am a biological organism. All rumors to the contrary are just that, rumors.
    1. Re:I shaved my beard off the other day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just install a security app in my Moto RAZR

  70. wow by EddyPearson · · Score: 1

    ...100 MHz ARM9 processor...

    Wow! Just 6 years ago i bought a computer with less processing power than that and i was extatic!

    --
    You feel sleepy. Close your eyes. The opinions stated above are yours. You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise.
  71. As long as... by Compile+'em+all · · Score: 1

    The cell phone is not tamper proof, this whole phone face recognition is pretty much useless. Face recognition works in buildings and such because the device itself resides on the premises of the company/bank/institute using it. This poses a very big obstacle against anyone trying to break into the system. If he fails he will simply go back home with his head down. However, in the case of a cell phone, he already has the device. He can crack it open, try to flash the fireware...etc.

  72. Please Please by TarrySingh · · Score: 1

    I don't mind losing my mobile to a thug, just don't do the *FACE OFF* with me!

    --
    Scott McNealy to Michael: "Suck my Sun!" Michael Dell to Scott : "Lick my Dell!"
  73. Whoops... by KlausBreuer · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, ladies and gentlemen, be honest: how many times has it happened to you that you drag yourself out of bed, look at the thing in the mirror and say: "I don't know who you are, but I'll wash you anyway"?

    Come on, after a weeks hard work even friends have asked me in the first moment who I am... ;)

    --
    Free PC version of ChipWits at http://www.breueronline.de/klaus/chipwits/
  74. Brilliant! by Sigg3.net · · Score: 0

    Brilliant!
    So after I've been through the near-fatal car accident, I can't call for help!

  75. open post to all "what if you get in an accident" by Bad+Ad · · Score: 1

    surely you dont think you would need to authorise to call emergency numbers? currently you can dial 999 (uk) on any mobile phone that turns on... no sim card, blocked pin number or what ever. Obviously this would be the same.

    Common sense 1, slashdot 0

  76. Re:Is this really cost effective? by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Funny
    "who would pay the difference?"

    • drunks
    • people with fat fingers
    • blind people
    • women with long nails
    • chinese criminal masterminds with long nails
    • aliens with soft tentacles
    --

    May contain traces of nut.
    Made from the freshest electrons.
  77. Re:Linux users: Read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ">" means "greater than."

    YHBT. YHL. HAND.

  78. The Hands Free Option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a face in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

  79. Eye Recognition by fluffyhelengmail.com · · Score: 1

    I have to use eye drops in my eyes on a regular basis. I nearly jumped out of my deskchair when I read about eye recognition for bank accounts! When I put the eye drops in, my pupil tends to dilate and returns to normal within about an hour or so. Within this hour or so (potentially) my cell phone wouldn't acknowledge my existence and my bank would deny me access to my account if iris recognition/facial recognition were to be implemented. Even eye recognition isn't 100% foolproof. This terrifies me. We credit technology with more intelligence than it deserves!

    --
    stay fluffy.
  80. I'm so friggin sick... by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of these phones that are trying to be PDA or biometrics or video cameras. What I'd rather have is a phone that's just trying to be a phone

    I mean I honestly don't care if my phone recognizes my gate or face or anything else. And if I lend my phone to someone, I want them to be able to use it. If they steal my phone, well it was probably my own dumb fault anyhow and I'll talk to my carrier.

    I wish they'd just focus on making better phones that has better audio quality and cut out less. The phone I have today (1 yr old give or take) is still nowhere near as good as it should be in a major urban setting. Surely the processor cycles being dedicated to all these cool new features could be used for some additional signal processing?

  81. The Finnish equivalent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Finnish national Research Institute VTT announced last week that they have developed a type of sensor that enables a mobile phone to recognise its owner from the way he/she walks. Video and more media material here.

    In Finland, cell phones watch your every step...

  82. face recognition is no good for this application by old+man+moss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not again! I worked on face recognition for several years, for applications unrelated to security (e.g. searching photo collections for family members). Time and time again people said "Hey, you could use this for access control!" and would't listen when I pointed out that you would be lucky to get a recognition accuracy of 70% in real-world conditions. I've implemented methods which claimed a 99.X% recognition rate and found the real-world results were often as low as 60%... I assume people don't lie when they publish these things, but they clearly construct their test sets very carefully :-) Sure, you can make a system which stops a blonde woman from accessing a dark-haired man's phone; but distinguishing between two similar looking people and still allowing an individual's apperance to vary is not currently possible (even for a lot of humans!)

    --
    rt
  83. Re:open post to all "what if you get in an acciden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but then what happens when you want to phone your wife, insurance company etc?

  84. What if... by Singletoned · · Score: 1

    What if I get beaten up and need to call the police? My face could be bruised beyond recognition and the phone won't let me call the police.

  85. What next??? by Insensitive_Claudio · · Score: 1

    Ok, we have phones that recognize my walk. We have phones that recognize my face. I'm just waiting for a phone that remembers my wife's birthday, and I will be totally replaceable!

  86. workaround by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    Take a picture of your friends face with your phone and hold the screen up up to the lens of his phone.

    --
    Join the Slashcott! Feb 10 thru Feb 17!
  87. Unfortunate Event by tommyleebyron · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ok, interesting, but what happens in the unfortunate event some criminals beat you up? you need to call 911 but the cell phone doesn't recognize you since your face is inflated like a scottish bagpipe... ehhh what happens then?

  88. cool enough by AnotherEscobar · · Score: 1

    but between inconsistant recognition and frequent random crashing, I would get zero use from this stupid friggin Treo!

  89. Re:open post to all "what if you get in an acciden by Bad+Ad · · Score: 1

    you think that would be the only way to get into the device? that makes a whole lot of sense.

    regardless, the point of my post was "in an accident situation" like you are on the side of the road bleeding etc, not the "cleaning up and claiming compensation" part.... if thats what you first thought, i figure you are american?

  90. In the US at least, you can always call 911 by Benanov · · Score: 1

    Even a cell phone without a network subscription can call 911 in the US (IIRC) so this technology would not get in the way of making an emergency call.

  91. They could still call 911 by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    Every cell phone is required by law to be allowed to call 911, even while locked, even if it is not a subscriber to the local network.

    If it can get a signal, it has to be able to reach 911.

    611 usually also always works, where you could get an operator at least.

  92. Re:Is this really cost effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    knowing -any- cell phone company they will market it as a service, not a feature. $4.99/month for "unlimited security service". Yaaay.

  93. Guns by PacketScan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This would be cool to see in firearms.. as we all have seen the bracelt aproach is not 100%.

    1. Re:Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no, it would suck. If you need to use a gun right now, failure of a biometric authenticator could kill you.

      Such ideas have been floated in the US before, and the police don't want it on their guns... hmmm...

    2. Re:Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell is this Flame bait? It using the technology mentioned for other purposes.

      I feel that his comments were insighful

  94. So as a woman by Snaller · · Score: 1

    You can only use it before or after you have applied makeup? :)

    --
    If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
  95. Will this always work? by mnmn · · Score: 1

    What about cellphones crashing on halloween?

    --
    "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
  96. Re:Is this really cost effective? by mnmn · · Score: 1

    Cameras dont require an ARM9. The difference between ARM7 and ARM9 cores given general MCUs is about $10. They also take slightly more power... adding to the cost.

    so

    --
    "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
  97. Re:Linux users: Read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They probably just didn't get the joke.

  98. That's great, until... by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 1

    Great, just one more thing that will say "Oh my god... Harold, is that really you? I don't even recognize you!" after you get in a horrible disfiguring accident involving lye, spit, and a rottweiler in heat. And your name's not even Harold!

  99. Use the ear. by CruddyBuddy · · Score: 1
    Forget recognizing the face. There are too many ways that can be visually reproduced. How about recognizing my ears? That way someone trying to use my phone would have to know what my ear looks like.

    Ears, while public, would be examined close-up, and may be harder to reproduce in detail, while photo may be more than good enough to fool a face recognition system.

    You have to put the phone to your ear anyway (most of the time). And like other biometric devices, like fingerprint scanners, the identification only has to be 'good enough', not perfect.

    (Yes, I have special ears, at least that's what my girlfriend says.)

    --
    ----------
    Any problem can be made unsolvable if there are enough meetings made to discuss it.
  100. Two-Way Trust by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    We're moving into an era where it will be essential for our phones to trust us in order for us to deal with the world. It's at least as important that we can trust our phones. With proprietary, closed OS and SW on practically all of these phones, that means trusting the corporations that make them and distribute them. We've had to trust the phone companies for a century, but that was when all they did was carry our voices - important, but not all-encompassing. And that was when telcos were much better regulated, and still had to win the trust of people who didn't yet depend on them. Now we need not only to trust these phones, but to verify that they're trustworthy. Especially as "Mobile Virtual Network Operators", telcos which really just front for one or more "real" telcos (like Earthlink phones wrapping Verizon and Sprint service without "roaming"), fill the space. Those "virtelcos" will come and go, much more likely to do something untrustworthy, just to dissolve (and reconstitute under a different brand). If a phone is going to distrust our face, we should be able to look it in the eye and distrust it back.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

  101. Reminds me of a Star Trek quote from Data by hardaker · · Score: 1

    "I assume your hand will open this door whether you are alive or dead". Or was it conscious or unconscious? OK, I don't remember the exact quote, but you get the idea. I always loved that quote from data since it showed a side of him you rarely saw (and was potentially out of character but I didn't care).

    --
    The next site to slashdot will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and start slashdotting it early!
  102. Next: emotional intelligence by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

    When you're down, it suggests a call to a friend or (at worst) the Samaritans. If you look too happy, it downloads the latest news.

    If it looks like you're in great distress or unreponsive, it calls 911 (or 999, or local equivalent) and sends a picture of your face, or other medical data if you've got a personally-networked monitor of some sort.

  103. Vanity phone recognition by bookhappy · · Score: 1

    "Cell phone, cell phone on the wall, whose the fairest...". Personally, I'd like my phone to recognize me and offer moral support like "Hey, you don't look too bad today. Chin up, Ole Gal."

  104. Beard by rjk191 · · Score: 1

    And what if I grow a beard?

  105. Forget bruises, what about Day or Night? by marcus · · Score: 1

    What about my sunglasses? Do I have to take my shades off to make a call?

    Or...Do I have to put them on, even in the dark?

    Can I make a call using just the screen backlight?

    --
    Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
    - W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
  106. Re:Is this really cost effective? by heinousjay · · Score: 1

    Oh, great, so we'll have Nokia zealots to deal with now, too?

    --
    Slashdot - where whining about luck is the new way to make the world you want.
  107. Some days I hardly know me; how can a phone? by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    OK, so maybe hairstyles don't matter. But what about glasses on or off? What if I don't use the phone for two weeks but grew a beard and moustache? What about when my body has a reaction to what I eat and my lips puff up hugely? All these have been a factor during my adult life. nevermind how it would deal with teenage girls and makeup!

  108. You're half-right by rk · · Score: 1

    It was insulting, and I apologize for that. Yesterday was a bad day primarily because people around me were not reading instructions and that guy was the last straw. I shouldn't have been so rude and taken it out on him.

    On the other hand, the article and the summary did clearly state that its purpose was to protect contact information. So I certainly was not trolling. It is a legitimate concern, but the article and summary address it, albeit not in a direct manner. Did it really need spelling out? I stand by the meaning of my post, but I disavow the rudeness.

  109. too slow for current hardware by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

    The matching algorithm takes nearly 1/3 of a second on a 100MHz ARM9. That's a noticeable lag, and it will be even more noticeable on slower or weaker processors, which is just about all of the phones on the market now.

    (For comparison, the Nintendo DS's main CPU is an ARM9, but it runs at only 67MHz.)

    Apart from the potential problems that could arise from false negatives and false positives, it's just too slow to perform acceptably yet.

  110. Photo recognition? Why not voice? by rthille · · Score: 1

    It's a phone, right? Most phones these days do voice dialing. So why not use voice recognition for a voice password?

    --
    Awesome furniture, accessories and cabinetry in Santa Rosa, CA: http://humanity-home.com/
  111. Has anyone considered - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The loss or theft of the facial features?

    "My roomie shaved off my eyebrows and now my phone is rejecting me!"