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First Impressions Count in Website Design
Andy King writes "Web designers have as little as 50 milliseconds to capture the interest of potential customers, according a new report by researchers at Carleton University. Through the halo effect, first impressions can influence subsequent judgments of website credibility and buying decisions."
I could tell in less than 50 milliseconds as well....
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to get the first post, which I'm sure I've missed
It's not a dupe, it's a Hat trick ...
Three times this article in frontpage in less than a week ...
my first impressions tell me this is not just a DUPE but a TRIPE!
In other news, Slashdot readers needed 50 miliseconds to realize that this is the third time this very same history is posted.
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Stop it.
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) It'd be interesting to see how many humans would survive to serve us.
...you have a whole 50 seconds for them to take the page in as it loads.
This article has been around so many times I have now thought of something to post against it.
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I remembered that I had already read this story: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/1 7/0342224
I don't complain about dupes, but this is ridiculous. I have to wonder if this is a sick joke. A third time? I don't even pay and I feel like demanding my money back...
150ms and counting for this article...
I'm expecting CmdrTaco to post a dupe of one of his "letters to slashdot" soon.
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A triplicate ...
(too early for jokes about 50 milliseconds, judging dupes, etc. etc.)
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Man i've been reading Slashdot for 4 years now, and I still can't tell its shit.
:)
See http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174167 &cid=14489210
So here's a dupe of a comment that tells you to dupe comments in dupes.
Yikes, is that a record? I knew it was a dupe within 50 milliseconds.
dominionrd.blogspot.com - Restaurants on
Just 50ms to make an impression is very short, so Slashdot just does the logical thing; they're giving it 150ms!
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the Carleton University web site must be impressive :)
hilarious
A dupe here and a dupe there....
And pretty soon you're talking *real* repeats!
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
50 milliseconds huh?
Here's my list of things that almost guarantee that I'll leave your site behind, never to look back.
1 - Music - Your taste in music is not mine. Your music sucks!
2 - Pages that don't load - It's usually the page that looks like it has exactly what you were searching for too!
3 - Pages that don't contain the information "as advertised" - you know the ones...you click on a link and it goes to some search page that tries to reset your home page.
4 - Pages that are more banner ad than web page - Get over it. No one wants to see that much advertising. 5 - Anything that blinks - Thank god the W3C deprecated the blink tag
6 - Anything that demands I install a plug-in for "the user experience" - espeically those stupid cursors 7 - Anything that spawns pop ads
8 - Anything that doesn't present easy to read and use navigation (www.thetrueagency.com/true.html is a prime example of this)
9 - Anything that doesn't have a sufficient amount of contrast between the text and the background.
10 - Anything that uses more than 5 different fonts on the same page - Its a web site, not a comic book.
11 - Sites that redirect to another redirect - We get the idea that you move - a lot.
12 - Anything that uses more than 6 colors on the same page - It looks like a circus barfed on your page.
first impressions can influence subsequent judgments of website credibility
"You're everywhere. You're omnivorous."
i've been staring at that site for a few minutes now, i don't get it.
Good for us with AD- Wait, what's that? Ah, crap.
Seriously, do you think this is some Andy Kaufman prank where many members of the public are the victim and the only people who find the joke funny are the moderators? It's just getting silly now.
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How many Slashdotters does it take to point out a dupe? Look above!
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EVERY REPOST IS REPOST REPOST
Perhaps the answer to the problem of teenagers dropping bricks from motorway and railway bridges is to sue Tetris.
Well, even though the original was a +5, we can't call it karma-whoring because it's posted anonymously...
This had to be on purpose. They're taking the piss with us. No one is that incompetent. They're having a joke at our expense, so just let it ride
oh great
50ms of that was enough to elicit projectile vomiting ensuring my keyboard has thousands more bacteria than it did last week!
to realize that all of the replies will say 'this is a dupe'.
To realize this is a dupe took only 8 milliseconds.
Hehe, so now it's definately more filthy than your toilet seat...
Yeah, where is Master Chief when you need him to blast away dupes (and their incremental variants) as well as the frickin reduntant posts announcing the fact that the article is a dupe (or variant)?
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I've read Slashdot three times this week. Yes... I don't read Slashdot as much as I used to ...
and the same f*&^%$%%^^&&***ing story has been the top story each effin' time
Seriously, I have never seen a tripe before!
Has this ever happened before?
What about a quadrupe?
A quadrupe, now that'd be something!
See for example
http://www.literature.org/authors/carroll-lewis/t
Off topic, but by now no one cares.
I just need Taco to re-post and it's bingo!
Ahh, timeless classic.
damned cowboys you just cant trust them to do the job right.
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A quick search of the below url...d s
1 7/03422241 6/0558244
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=50+millisecon
and you get these too:
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/
Prolly will be reading the same article next week. oh well...
You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
...it only takes Slashdot editors 50 milliseconds to forget each story they post.
the second time i saw this as the top story the second story was something DRM related (i think) and i thought, that's odd, slashdot hasnt been updated for a couple of days... now i'm wandering if i'm stuck in some kind of causality loop
If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
Note that the original article was published in Nature. Appears that the submitter is simply trying to boost his own website up.
Editors quit smoking pot and do your jobs!
I think there is an echo in here... in here... in here....
"Nothing to see here..."
One of the interesting points made in What the bleep do we know is that human retinas are bombarded with millions of data bits each millisecond, and somehow the brain reduces this to a few tens of thousands of bits in the process of forming a conscious image, which happens pretty quickly. So these questions arise:
So in terms of web sites, it seems that even though I might not know how to define it, I can recognize quality before I see it. Yeah, that fits my experience: I'll google for something, open up a dozen of the most promising links in new tabs, then run through most of them at full click speed because I can instantly tell that they aren't the ones I'm looking for.
Viva tabbed browsing!
Well, my first impressions of this site were what kept me coming back so much, but it's these last impressions that're keeping me from visiting this site again. Seriously, is it that much effort to READ YOUR OWN WEBSITE and make sure you don't post the same things over and over again?
Do not read this sig!
For all we know, this "on-topic" comment is a dupe, too.
"I know this story's already been duped, and you've made submitter links 'nofollow', but here's a submission linking an optimisation site - you know you can't resist those..."
How about a search facility for key words of an article to spot dupes before they're posted? (could return a list of posts with a "dupe likeliness factor" for each to be scanned by the poster before hitting the button)
There is certainly no evidence that subminimal messages, which seem to based on something similar, work.
/.'ed I have no idea what is quoted there.
I like to see the research report first hand myself. Seeing the linked site seems to be
For all we know, this "on-topic" comment is a dupe, too.
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http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=17416
tehanu said:
You know this idea that people make judgements in the first 50ms before you can really gain a conscious impression of it (though probably something flashes in your subconcious) remind me of one of the entries in the "Dangerous Ideas" article in Edge (slashdot had it as a story a short while ago) in which Nobel Prize winning biochemist Eric R. Kandel argues that much of what we call "free will" is processed unconsciously without awareness:
willeh "said":
You know this idea that people make judgements in the first 50ms before you can really gain a conscious impression of it (though probably something flashes in your subconcious) remind me of one of the entries in the "Dangerous Ideas" article in Edge Magazine in which Nobel Prize winning biochemist Eric R. Kandel argues that much of what we call "free will" is processed unconsciously without awareness:
To be fair, he/she added, "Interesting read for sure." Insert usual karma whore comments, etc. here.
As for the filters we have, I guess that's to eliminate all the extraneous "noise" that's going on all around us. Again, pure instinct. I wonder, however, if these filters are actually hindering our evolution, since they are unneeded in a non-hunter/gathere society.
I wonder if we all submit this link as a story (several times each?), will /. editors finally get a point?
I could tell in less than 50 milliseconds as well...
I am trolling
That's Crap (Score:5, Funny)
by Cobralisk (666114) on Monday January 16, @07:00AM (#14479755)
This article is obviously rubbish
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Re:That's Crap (Score:4, Funny)
by malsdavis (542216) * on Monday January 16, @08:13AM (#14480000)
Indeed, it reads just like all those "employers decide whether they will employ you in 50ms" studies.
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Re:That's Crap (Score:4, Interesting)
by Crayon Kid (700279) on Monday January 16, @03:33PM (#14481515)
Now let's talk about how we recognize ad banners in 50ms and shut them out of our vision.
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Duh (Score:5, Interesting)
by Lord_Dweomer (648696) on Monday January 16, @07:02AM (#14479762)
Well, let me be the first to say "Duh, of course we do."
Having all this information at our fingertips is awe-inspiring, yet completely useless if we can't sort through it properly. That's why companies like Google and datamining companies make so much money.
As society and people evolve to adapt to the new technology, we build our "defenses" against bad information. We have so much to go through that unless we are able to filter out bad information that quickly, we'll never get anywhere. Not to mention the fact that in this day and age of spyware/adware, plagiarism, virii and big brother everybody needs to lea
That they want to remind us about it every other day. I suggest a separate section just for this piece of news. We seem to keep reading about it anyway.
I must disagree with you here.
There were NO interesting points made in that movie!
(Unless, of course, you plan on riding into the next world on a comet.)
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This is (at least) the second time this has been duped in the last week... I mean, the first time it was funny, with the vague irony of it only taking 50ms for a story to be duped on Slashdot, but now it's just sad...
OK, we get it already - people make up their minds about websites rather quickly... I assume the same goes for /. Let's hope it doesn't get judged too harshly!
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After 50 milliseconds looking at the page, I made a nearly instantaneous judgement to leave the site.
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Is it just me or is there a hint of irony that the most duplicated thing on /. is people saying "Dupe"?
Do we really need everyone shouting it in as many posts as possibl?
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NEO: Whoa. Deja vu.
TRINITY: What did you just say?
NEO: Nothing. Just had a little deja vu.
TRINITY: What happened? What did you see?
NEO: A black cat went past us and then I saw another that looked just like it.
TRINITY: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
NEO: It might have been. I'm not sure. What is it?
TRINITY: A deja vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something.
Kind of like a futuristic Dr. Strangelove?
If you make a webpage, remember that people will judge them quickly.
CowboyNeal: Hey, so it's really cold out there today, huh?
CmdrTaco: So how much do we owe you for the pizza?
Pizza Delivery Guy: FOR THE THIRD TIME, YES IT'S COLD OUT THERE, AND YOU OWE ME $15.95!!!
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Redundant Array of Intentional Duplicates. /. is taken out by a nuke then it still survives.
Clever Cowboy, very clever.
If half of
I found your post about mold and its many virtues to be highly intriguing, well done!
Post it 1000s of times. 3 down 997 to go.
who post and then put up these dupes ACTUALLY READ /. ?
or is there a room full of monkeys posting articles in the hope that eventually there will be a day without any dupes?
Could someone explain to me why the americans use trupe or tripe? I fail to see what food has to do with any of this.
dupe = duplicate (the "e" is added for pronunciation)
when there's three of them, it becomes a triplicate, so shortened down, that would be a "trip", not a "trupe" or a "tripe".
I hope that this forces less bloat and faster loading webpages!
For all we know, this "on-topic" comment is a dupe, too.
The only thing getting older than this article is the desperate posters trying to get modded funny by posting the same lame joke that it takes them 50ms to realize its a old article.
"the halo effect"
Is that the effect where after seeing a website, you'd rather go hammer nails through your penis than look at it?
Some say he is made with ascii, others that he is eyeballed daily by millions. All we know is, he is known as the Sig
So I was thinking just the other day, how to write a script or somesuch to use google to search for all the stories that have been posted more than once here on the ol slash and dot. Then someone could submit the list as an article, and again, and again....
Maybe that way the mods would get the point.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
Could it be possible, does anyone think, that some mischievous and malicious persons are reading stories on Slashdot, waiting a day or two, and then submitting exactly the same articles back to Slashdot in order to dupe the editors into looking incompetent?
Surely not.
I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
If you want an answer to these questions, I urge you to start studying neuro-biology and cognitive psychology immediately, do a PhD, get a post-doc, start your own research group and come back to inform us what you've found in 25 years.
The point I'm trying to make, is that there has been done an awful lot of research in this area, and there is still no way to answer your question.
If you want to start reading: most introductory books to neuro-cognition ("how the brain works") will give you a clue, but beware that many of the findings that are presented in such texts have been simplified and/or are controversial...
Boy, this Eric Kandel is really a clever guy. How does he think "free will" comes about? Does he think the rest of the world think it's somewhere outside the brain? Of course not. The signal that is processed is part of the same system that implements the free will. He is confusing "free will" with our concious experience of stimuli. I'll have his Nobel Prize now, thank you.
This isn't a dupe/trupe. The former article was a synopsis. This one actually gives the real research. I was looking for the original research on the earlier article but I didn't want to pay the publishers for it. This article gives the methods, the pages viewed, the results. That's far better than the first two /. postings!
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Can anyone tell me how long my web page has to capture the interest of a visitor? I've been searching everywhere for this data but cannot seem to track it down.
I don't get how this could happen a third time. Let's hope that this is a joke. Otherwise, it really would make a good topic for the next About Slashdot article. Wow. I've been reading for a long time and haven't seen this happen before. Weird. I think that this is some of the reason why editors and CmdrTaco get so much crap hurled at them. If you give people the ammunition, they're likely to fire it on you sooner or later.
All that said, it's not the end of the world. It just makes the site look sloppy and haphazard rather than polished. In many ways, it's kind of the stigma that Linux has faced when compared to Windows. Oh well.
Yeah, I'm as old as my UID would suggest.
I just submitted this link as a a story.
0 1/20/0611209 That story, on the 50 millisecond website appreciation, got posted as a story no less than 3 times. Rob wrote a huge article about how submitters should make decent articles, watch their links, cross their t's, dot their i's (but he doesn't care about spelling because he can't spell himself), and I for one, would dearly love to know what his excuse for duplicate, and in this case, triplicate stories is.
My text:Today, slashdot really outdid itself. http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/
I think it shows that the slashdot editors neither care what they post, nor do they have any respect for their audience. Pathetic. It also shows they have an attention span of around 50 milliseconds.
Great job on two counts...
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In 49 milliseconds I figured this was Redundant.
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hmmm it seems like I've read this comment for the third time. :)
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It wasn't even interesting the first to times!
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The thing about things we don't know is we often don't know we don't know them.
It's been posted 3 times now if my memory doesn't fail. That gives us 100 extra milliseconds!!!
Otherwise he'll have to post another editorial.
Another editorial? I was expecting him to post the same one again.
This may be true for people who are randomly surfing around but I have to believe that if a person is deliberately going to your site, they will stay even if it doesn't have a lot of flash (and not the cruddy Macromedia Flash either).
I would think that most business websites have a specific target/niche and, unless the site is completely horrible, people will stay no matter what their first impression is. There are several sites that I go to that I am not fond of but I keep going back because the content is what really matters to me.
Wouldn't the original article link normally be posted in a Slashback?
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Seriously, I'm changing my hosts file to redirect slashdot to somewhere else.
50 milliseconds? Right. stories like this give science a bad name. People decide quickly whether they like a website or not. Probably true, for some people. Probably untrue for other people. 50 milliseconds isn't hardly enough time for the headers to load up so how can you possibly decide if you like a site or not? What if you like image heavy sites? Takes more time than that to load images up. How does this fact mesh with the ridiculous assertion? It doesn't. What statistical models did this 'study' use. Some are more accurate than others, big arguments about that. How big was the study, - not enough people in the study? How the heck did they measure the reaction time? Probes in the head? Ouija board? Crap science.
Enjoy your Karma, after all you earned it. Feel your Karma Joe, feel it burn.
OK, so this was a dupe of a dupe. Big deal.
/. is blocked by the wonderful WebSense software (as it's a forum and I might leak stuff).
/. or read the archives, so I miss them the first time round.
Quite frequently I miss articles the first time they are posted for a number of reasons - mainly because at work I don't have internet access to my desk and on the machines I do have internet access,
I'm also often busy out of work too and dont get around to look at
/me understands ...
;-)
Time to post that one again
Bye egghat.
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Grab your +5 comments here for some instant karma. Well, the editors tripe the articles, we might as well tripe the comments...
If they stopped posting dupes and trupes/tripes, the site would die!
:-)
Clever signature text goes here.
Research has shown that Slashdot editors now may need to post an article at least three times before it makes a strong enough impression to keep them from posting it again.
Insert witty sig here.
We all know the story is a dupe... what's funny is the fact that the story was only up three times, the number of duplicate comments telling everyone that the story is a dupe has to be over 50+ by now.
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And it took less than 50 milliseconds after the article was posted for the webserver to get slashdotted.
"Never underestimate the power of the Slashdot!"
> Wouldn't the original article link normally be posted in a Slashback?
...newbies. we need a FAQ here, please.
that would be the tetrupe.
tsk tsk tsk
You could tell in less than 50 ms that this was a dupe.... Is this story so great to publish it for the 3rd time???
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So Slashdot posted two previously worthless submissions and now gave the good link in the third one. That's not much better.
"Sufferin' succotash."
I seem to recall you making a post in your "fire-side chat" recently about how you don't like it when the meta-discussion takes over the story thread and drowns out any interesting posts about the story.
In this case, where people spent the entire discussion joking and talking about how this is a triplicate posting (ok, so technically not a triplicate since it has more actual research data than the first, not that anybody else noticed)....IT IS ENTIRELY PREVENTABLE!
It's one thing to not be a perfect speller, but posting the same content multiple times within just a couple of days is inexcusable. It is sloppy, and really a slap in the face to subscribers, for whom it diminishes the value of their subscription.
Please don't take this as a flame...I am just a loyal Slashdot reader who is trying to make the site I love even better. But its these sort of things that are making some of your more insightful posters head over to Digg for their news.
Sincerely,
A concerned Slashdotter.
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Come on. It just *has* to be a joke.
I wonder if this is the editors (failed) attempt at humor at the expense of their rival digg.com. Digg's biggest problem is/are dupes, so much so that you can see dupes on the front page on a semi-regular basis.
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What the bleep... is neither solid science nor science fiction. It is a very entertaining collection of short excerpts from interviews and brief pieces of explanatory material that jumps around between a number of different disciplines, including quantum mechanics, anesthesia, and perceptual psychology. It is presented in an MTV kind of style that guarrantees that the first time viewer will miss many interesting details. It is not an accurate portrayal of the universe nor is it constructed as a piece of fiction. It could be described as a series of mind teasers.
When followed by a couple of hours in a quiet bar or coffeehouse, it is extremely good entertainment for most people, leading to some very fun and interesting discussions. It would probably suck to see it alone. I've seen it 6 or 8 times with different groups, and each time I've seen it, I've picked up on something new. Each time has led to some very enjoyable post viewing discussions.
It is an excellent choice for the Geeks' First Date. I can vouch for that.
FYI: If you are a developer and are developing some web thing and need to impress your boss, you should remember this. You have to wow them the first time. Best thing to do is show them somewhat diverse options, and css is good for that.
Only 'flamers' flame!
Does slashdot hate my posts?
Because posting the same thing three times for you is a feat/victory? Ô.o
Third time's a charm...
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Any takers?
Dupes generate a great deal of enjoyment among Slashdot readers, as they get to happily call "dupe"!
Any program relying on (nontrivial) preemptive multithreading will be buggy.
I had the privilege of discussing the WWW with Sir Berners-Lee at one of his first public demos at the RARE conference in Zurich in 1991. When I complained that he needed eternal links to make his 'library in the sky' dream come true, he counter-complained about the fact that 'studies have shown that if a hyperlink doesn't resolve in a tenth of a second, users will go elsewhere'. Well, he was wrong in the short term (imagine downloading porn with a 1991 browser, or even the first Mosaic) but seems to have been right in the long term. I salute you, Sir Tim!
I suspect some trolls have done so by deliberately submitting dupes. Eg, the recent Google radio dupe was submitted by a self-proclaimed troll).
You obviously hate Slashdot with a passion, as shown by this little rant and your previous absurdities about the editors supposedly being out to get you by taking away your mod points.
So I ask: why do you keep coming back here if you have such a burning hatred for everyone and everything here?
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.