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Imagining the Google Future

Lester67 writes "Business 2 put a bunch of big brains together to give us a peek at Google from 2015 to 2105. "Will it succumb to hubris and flame out like so many of its predecessors? Or will it grow into an omnipresent, omnipotent force--not just on Wall Street or the Web, but in society? We put the question to scientists, consultants, former Google employees, and tech visionaries like Ray Kurzweil and Stephen Wolfram. They responded with well-argued, richly detailed, and sometimes scary visions of a Google future." "

197 comments

  1. One Day Too Early by imoou · · Score: 4, Informative

    I guess the article would not have been published a day later, as the sky is falling down as we speak.

    The scary part is -- "Google Disappoints With 86% Higher Fourth Quarter Revenue", I think an "Even" between "Disappoints" and "With" would be appropriate. That's the problem, everyone has high expectation on Google now that even one slight mistake will be scrutinized and punished.

    A year ago, people were finding (or creating) reasons to buy Google shares, now people are finding excuses to sell those shares.

    1. Re:One Day Too Early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that's because their inflated stock price is based on the belief that they will do a lot better than they're actually doing.

    2. Re:One Day Too Early by Wisgary · · Score: 1, Funny

      People buy google shares to make them happy, and make them rich, that's the only reason. They lose money on all sorts of crappy stock decisions, but their Google stock is always going up, bringing a smile to their faces and pockets. But, when Google stock goes down, it makes that same Business man angry... it makes him cry... and cry he does, all the way to the "Sell shares" button, lowering stock price even more.

      These kind of people need to realize that only worrying about short-term cash flow and forgetting about the rest can only lead to dissappointment, and a big fat crash once the market goes as far as it'll go. Google might be sacrificing money by spending big bucks right now, lowering profits and making dumbasses all over wallstreet cry themselves to sleep, but they'll guarantee themselves a spot in the long-term. That is, unless Ballmer discoveres siege weapons, and builds a chair catapult, then they're fucked.

    3. Re:One Day Too Early by Sen.NullProcPntr · · Score: 4, Interesting
      That's the problem, everyone has high expectation on Google now that even one slight mistake will be scrutinized and punished.

      Was it a mistake or are they "playing by their own rules"?
      From TFA:

      Co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin have always insisted they will run their 7-year-old company the way they want, even if it means ignoring stock market pressures to hit a widely watched earnings target.
      Of course playing by your own rules on Wall Street may be a mistake.
    4. Re:One Day Too Early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I tried googling for that story but couldn't find it. Weird!

    5. Re:One Day Too Early by Surt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The key problem is that their stock is way overvalued in terms of ordinary stock price/earnings ratio. That's based on two things: market insanity, and rational belief that google will be able to deliver enough earnings to improve the ratio in the future. When google isn't delivering enough evidence that it will have massive earnings in the future, both camps sell.

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    6. Re:One Day Too Early by Dukael_Mikakis · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      I think it's all just more of the "irrational exuberance". Investors, tech people, modernists, whomever all are going to laud and hype the next place to put their money and their faith. People are right to ask that 10 years ago Google was just an idea of two Stanford students and I used AltaVista as the end-all to all search engines. What is making Google so impenetrable such that nobody else could come by and create the same turn-around in another 10 years?

      Especially since Google has no tangible "product". At least with, say, a mining company, you know that the company owns the resources (or the land containing the resources) and has all of the assets and products associated with their business. Google's primary resource, talented employees, is one that (as Google and Microsoft and a certain office chair all know) can't be controlled by the company (a good employee can leave one company for another, resource-rich land can't voluntarily do so) and is unendingly renewable, which (valuable as talented people are) isn't an optimal asset to build your company on.

      I'm not preaching doom and gloom for Google, but the fact is Google's business is centered around one item (search engines + advertising) and they are very good at that, and that's not going away soon. Expecting Google to topple businesses in other sectors in which these other businesses are very good is being a tad optimistic.

    7. Re:One Day Too Early by NothingMore · · Score: 1

      Well look at there stock, a disapointment would piss me off too if a stock i paid $400 for didnt preform up to my expectations. The stock is way over rated, and google is way over rated. People right now are rideing the google hype and when that hype dies down people will realise that google is not as great as they thought. Other than search engine technology they lead the markets of none of there other business ventures (you could make a case for gmail.).

    8. Re:One Day Too Early by hevenor · · Score: 1

      As far as the price drop (and I read everything about p/e ratios in this thread) but in simpler terms the stock is valued based on the expected reported earning and since there was a difference between expected and actual we had a gap in the market price. It had nothing do with Google as a company beyond that

    9. Re:One Day Too Early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why do you think that google CEOs have been selling share of the stock instead of taking salaries? they know that even if they can deliver spectacular revenues that wall street has them WAAY overvalued. perhaps investors are finding better places to invest their money in, google doesn't need to have such rediculously high market valuation. now that the ride down has started, maybe they'll let it fall to reasonable PE ratios... but most likely people will try to ride the train up again... i'm not sure what price point google has to fall down to to make it a ride worth riding... but ah well.

    10. Re:One Day Too Early by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Good. They can sell and I can buy them cheaper. If the latest ponderings of Goobuntu or whatever end up as a mainstream OS, sucks to be all those that sold.

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    11. Re:One Day Too Early by borgboy · · Score: 1

      Arguably, it is that one item that puts them at the nexus of opportunity. Advertising pays the bills, and search technology puts in their reach a corpus the likes of which has never been amassed. If the end is to educate skynet, google is the entity with the means closest at hand.

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    12. Re:One Day Too Early by WoodieR · · Score: 1

      it should be sold and devalued ... remember this is nothing but a small dot.com bubbler ... it'll find it's niche and it's proper price and value will eventually be settled, let's not leave it to incompetent speculators and institutional investors to continue to artificially inflate this entity or it's importance in the grand scheme of things ... we all know that there are many more powerful and accurate 'bot's and search engines out there, just because they have some decent marketing, and traditional media blow them out of proportion ...

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    13. Re:One Day Too Early by fupeg · · Score: 1

      Eh, maybe. But I don't think so. As many have pointed out, Google increased their font size on the AdWord listings just after Christmas. This was considered a good way to increase AdWord related revenue, but its timing was curious. At the time, it was widely speculated that it was done because their revenues were lagging Wall Street projections. This speculation grew even stronger when Yahoo reported lower earnings than expected. Yesterday's earnings announcements by Google certainly suggests that this was indeed the reasoning for the change. After all if they had planned to do this all along, they should have done it at the start of the holiday shopping season, not at the end. So it sure looks like they are doing anything but ignoring stock market pressures. It's just like the China debacle. More of Google's mystique is being debunked as they demonstrate that they really are just like any other company.

    14. Re:One Day Too Early by frisket · · Score: 1
      ...a peek at Google from 2015 to 2105...

      A day later? From 8.15pm to 9.05pm? That's not very long, is it?

    15. Re:One Day Too Early by ajs · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that I see how Google was "punished". Their stock price fell from absurdly speculative to foolishly speculative levels because they didn't do as well as people thought they would.

      Makes perfect sense to me. The only insanity is those companies where the board of directors holds the CEO and the rest of the executive management responsible for hitting arbitrary numbers invented by the street. Fortunately Google doesn't do that, because they have been very careful from the start to make it clear to their investors (public and private) that they don't play that game.

    16. Re:One Day Too Early by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      If the latest ponderings of Goobuntu or whatever end up as a mainstream OS

      What if it ends up another VA Linux?

      (what are they selling these days, BTW? Is it VA Apples-on-the-corner yet?)

  2. Reminds me of Epic by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Somebody did a flash thingger kinda like this before.

    EPIC 2014

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    1. Re:Reminds me of Epic by Erioll · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought of immediately as well.

      Here's another link to it.

  3. Article summed up... by Fusen · · Score: 0

    This article can be summed up with two lines. Either;
    I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords!
    or
    Google who?
    Personally I think the scenario "Google are still the top of the game with a share price of $2000 and the other companies are playing catch up but nothing much has changed.

  4. Um by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where was google 10 years ago?
    Google will either drastically change (do you thnk you can grow as big as MSoft and keep your don't be evil thing?) or they will become less relevant.
    The real key, is how will the internet change in 10 years, and how will google fit into that...

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    1. Re:Um by jferris · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Exactly. And Google can do one of two things.

      First, they could adapt to change, much like every always does. Or, they could be the change. If they define what is changing, it puts them in the same position of power that Microsoft has been in.

      What I consider to be a distinct advantage for Google, if they can pull of the same thing, is that there is no explicit ownership of the Internet. Users are more likely to have a choice, and it is that choice that dictates the success of a business or an idea. If it is true, it just goes to show how good of a job Google really has done, already.

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    2. Re:Um by ecryder · · Score: 1

      Holy cow, you are right. What's with the CNN sensationalism?

    3. Re:Um by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      There is no explicit ownership of 'Television' either. But there are advertising firms nestled deep into the structure of the television industry. There's even TV Guide....

      That's what Google is, BTW. An ad agency.

      It's more complicated than that, in some ways, of course. They don't own the content they 'frame' their ads around, for instance... (There are even some content providers starting to say 'foul' to that.)

    4. Re:Um by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Google will either drastically change (do you thnk you can grow as big as MSoft and keep your don't be evil thing?) or they will become less relevant.

      I derive from that the maxim, "To be relevant you have to be evil".

      Is that what you meant to say?

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    5. Re:Um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to rephrase that question.

      How will the internet fit into Google.

  5. sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Surt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean come on, does anyone believe they'll last another 9 years? They have basically no meaningful assets. A bunch of computers, some code, and an algorithm. They could be put out of business in a year by any of hundreds of software companies. Their stock dropped 1/5th of its value in a day when investors heard they fell below expectations on earnings!

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    1. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Surt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ok, having finished the article, I discover that indeed, one of their predictions is 'Google dead in 2020'. Looked to be the most rational sounding future to me.

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    2. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by rjstanford · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One point I'd like to make -

      Their stock did not drop 20% of its value. It dropped 20% of its price. Unless you truly believe that Google, its assets, revenue stream, et cetera, have no inherent value. The company is the same company that it was before the price drop. If you're buying shares because you believe in its ability to make money over the long term, this price drop was a Good Thing.

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    3. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by zfractal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They have a name that can be easily recognized by just about anyone that uses the Internet (and even many that don't).... that alone is worth quite a bit.

      They have a lot of (paying) customers, that's also worth something.

      They have some pretty bright people working for them.

      I think it's a little bit more than a bunch of computers, some code and an algorithm.

    4. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by MasterOfUniverse · · Score: 2, Insightful
      hey have basically no meaningful assets. A bunch of computers, some code, and an algorithm.They could be put out of business in a year by any of hundreds of software companies.

      How is that different from any other software company? And the comment about being put out of business by hundreds of other companies can be applied to almost any industry...

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    5. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Google's one meaningful asset: a ton of online datastores. Eventually, google will just morph into a cache of old information with advertising, even if they go completely bankrupt they'll be kept around by the creditors for that purpose.

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    6. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by deacon · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Google stock has been bought on perception.

      That perception was that Google was "cool".

      Now that Google has turned into a rent boy for the Chinese thugocracy, they are looking a lot less "cool".

      Dean's World gets it spot on:

      http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1138680220.shtml

      Because there is, to me, a difference between doing business under the communist bootheel and putting your own foot in the boot.

      People with ethics will divest from Google stock, as they did long ago from Microsoft.

    7. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by mspohr · · Score: 1
      I suppose you think that only hard assets like a factory count. You're about 50 years out of date. Knowlege and service are what count now.

      If you still think assets count, I have a Ford car factory to sell you.

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    8. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by akeyes · · Score: 1

      They also have a name, and a highly known one at that.

    9. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by corbettw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Their stock did not drop 20% of its value. It dropped 20% of its price. Unless you truly believe that Google, its assets, revenue stream, et cetera, have no inherent value.

      I think you're confusing "book value" with "market value". Those are two distinct items. So, yes, Google's stock value (eg, market value) did drop 20%, even if its book value (all those other things you mentioned) remained essentially unmoved.

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    10. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Moschaef · · Score: 0

      You are wrong...
      The price of Google's stock is the market's determination of the value of Google's equity. Period. Google's value is exactly $1 per share or $1 billion per share only because that's the only price the market will accept. As information and expectations change, so will the value of Google's Equity. What you're talking about is speculation, estimating future value. Speculators make these bets all the time and are wrong more often then not, whether that be an hour, a day or ten years from now.

      You can say the value of an apple is $10, but if you can only sell it for $5, then you have a $5 apple. You may even hold onto it in the hopes you can some day sell it for $10, but that's mere speculation.

    11. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by bigjerkboy · · Score: 0

      Google dropped 10% today then rose back up to be down about 8% on the day. COnsidering is up over 150% in 1 year, thats not too bad. It is trading at 45 times futures earnings and that is not too bad for a growth company. Microsoft used to trade and 50-100 times earnings not too long ago. As far as assets, you obviuosly do not understand the market. Stocks trade on earnings and growth potential of those earnings( well they have done for abot 100 years execpt the late 1990s) and Google is making the cash. Not if in 10 year you see the internet as no longer here and people reading books or something like that, then they will be gone.

    12. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by llansamlet · · Score: 1

      A few hundred thousand people randomly clicking on their adlinks for a few months should do the trick.
      Advertisers pull out to avoid paying for false hits. Then see their share price fall.

    13. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by rk · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'll take that... as long as I don't have to take the UAW and the insane health-care costs for pensioners, too. :-)

    14. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem with software darlings (unless you do some things ilegally like MS).

      Google was born from two college guys and spare computer parts. There are literally thousands of people on the same condition.

      Pagerank (tm!) is an awesome idea. But in your 9 years time-frame example, better ideas will come. Some will fail abismaly, some will manage to get a 0.5% market share. But there's nothing exceptional about Google, as a company, besides its brand.

      Yahoo does a lot of things better. For example, everyone is crazy about Google Maps. Yahoo Maps, and in fact MapPoint, from MSN, are better. Not only for end-users, but also the developer APIs.

      And yet, everyone talks about Google Maps. Google is just a freaking search engine. 60% of its revenues come from ads displayed on search results. AdSense for publishers, which represents 38%, is the only thing on Google besides search that gives them money to justify its huge market value.

      If Google loses its search dominance, the company will be in a lot of trouble. All you need are two college students and some spare computer parts. And it WILL happen. It always does.

      Nine years is indeed a long time. Maybe Google will succed, ok, but this uncertainty is what make its stock condition so crazy.

    15. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by raoul666 · · Score: 1

      They have basically no meaningful assets. A bunch of computers, some code, and an algorithm. They could be put out of business in a year by any of hundreds of software companies.

      What you said can be applied equally well to Microsoft. Are they going away soon too?

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    16. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Keeper · · Score: 1

      Trading at 45 times future earnings is a sign that the stock is overvalued and driven by speculation. I won't invest in a stock like that; too much risk, feels more like gambling than investing. If Microsoft were currently trading at 50-100 times earnings, I wouldn't be investing in it either. And given that Microsoft is now trading around 20-25 times earnings, I suspect that would have been a good decision a few years ago as well.

    17. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it only fell 7.13% today... Where did you get 20%?

    18. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by Surt · · Score: 1

      It fell 20% before recovering.

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    19. Re:sure ... google will be around in 2015, right by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 1

      Repeat after me: market capitalization.

  6. Re:Um 10 years ago? by Soulfarmer · · Score: 1

    IIRC, it was nowhere.

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  7. Another world domination conspiracy by Xymor · · Score: 1

    So unlike MS, when we realise that google is the real 4th horseman it will be too late... *Pays to Our Lord Google to protect us from the Global Warming*

    1. Re:Another world domination conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right... no one *Prays* anymore in the future. They have to *Pay* (money) to worship omnipotent deities such as GOOG.

  8. Google could bring about the Singularity by ikewillis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They have the most computing power of anyone on earth. They're trying to sort the world's information. What better to do that with than strong AI?

    1. Re:Google could bring about the Singularity by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I misread the last sentense as "What better could you do with that strong an AI?"

      The military ramifications are significant, of course. I see luctrative contracts in their future.

      For the good guys, of course. ;-)

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    2. Re:Google could bring about the Singularity by vertinox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They have the most computing power of anyone on earth. They're trying to sort the world's information. What better to do that with than strong AI?

      When I was reading "Age of Spiritual Machines", Ray Kurzweil gave an example of "evolution" AI that basically brute forces the stock market by creating simulations based off certain criteria that would determine whether or not to purchase a stock. The simulatons that picks stocks that raised in priced lived, and all the others died. Then those surviors would have their code replicated a couple billion times and then each of those new versions would have the code slightly replicated and the next round of evolution would happen.

      It occurred to me that if one could build a machine that could have each of the programs check all pages on the internet for changes in criteria (as in CNN reported business made such a profit or bad comments on forums about certain companies), but then I realized this would take a search engine as big as google to do this...

      But then it dawned on me that what if google is already doing this? I mean they basically have constant caching of the internet. If they wanted to, they could write an algorythim to look at all this data and determine what patterns cause certain stocks to rise and then once they've trained a box to do this then they could litterly consume all other companies.

      Maybe a bit far fetched, but a company could do it... Google has the resources now to.

      (disclaimer, I maybe a bit biased about the whole singularity thing)

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    3. Re:Google could bring about the Singularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They have the most computing power of anyone on earth.
      Are you taking into account the NSA and other worldwide spying agencies? Even Microsoft and Amazon could probably give them some competition.
    4. Re:Google could bring about the Singularity by WoodieR · · Score: 1

      IBM doesn't have computing power? since when? the U.S. military (et al) ... sort the world's information? buddy, you're clearly barking up the wrong tree - Google is beginning to scratch the surface of what has already been accomplished behind closed doors ... many fold and do that while decrypting, archiving, and catalogueing it ... it's already been done, just not available to the public, far be it for us - the great unwashed - to have access to accurate, aggregated information ... what do you think the insurance industry has been doing for the last hundred years, reinforced by government instituted monopolies ...

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    5. Re:Google could bring about the Singularity by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "They have the most computing power of anyone on earth. They're trying to sort the world's information. What better to do that with than strong AI?"

      How about coding a program that could rival the NSA/FBI's "Carivore" system? Or an "Echelon" owned by Google?

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    6. Re:Google could bring about the Singularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      i know i am just raising a minor point.... but google takes weeks or more to refresh all its contents. It could selectively update much faster (as it is doing)... but still, given the spread of relevant information across the net it would be hard to predice the days stock market based on online content alone.

      however , maybe spotting trends are possible, but for that you could just see the stocks performace and its official quarterly revenues and your average guesses would be decent even without any AI

  9. Good Lord... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The collective Google masturbation at Slashdot continues... Viagra?

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  10. Google Robots by ribuck · · Score: 4, Funny
    For a peek into the future of Google, see the Google Robot FAQ.

    It's a strange combination of plausible and frightening.

    1. Re:Google Robots by sunwolf · · Score: 1

      Well, you'd be able to solve all your privacy issues by walking around in the nude and gluing porn to everything.

  11. 5000 Worthless PhDs? by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They have basically no meaningful assets.

    They've got 5000 PhDs. Such a group may not be able to turn on a dime and innovate themselves out of a rut at the slightest hint of competition (like Microsoft keeps doing) but they're not exactly a gaggle of worthless lackeys, either.

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    1. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They've got 5000 PhDs . . . a gaggle of worthless lackeys

      I've probably known that many PhDs in my life, and; oddly enough, that's exactly the phrase to describe them that usually comes to mind.

      On the other hand one of the most worthwhile human beings I've had the pleasure to discourse with had no degree at all, having earned the dubious distinction of being thrown out of Harvard. . .twice.

      Oh, and having a molecule named after him.

      Credentials don't mean as much as you appear to think they do. Taken en masse 5000 PhDs just means that the bullshit gets piled even higher and deeper.

      KFG

    2. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by Dukael_Mikakis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The PhDs aren't worthless. Or rather the people with PhDs aren't worthless, they're very valuable. But as I said in a previous post, Google, Microsoft, and one poor office chair all know that having 5000 PhDs today doesn't mean you'll have 5000 PhDs tomorrow. On top of that, PhDs are a renewable resource. Google doesn't control their own PhDs or the ability of competitors to acquire PhDs, which means long-term they can't claim a competitive advantage from it.

      But for right now, yeah, all that talent is great for Google. The article's talking about the future. A hundred years out.

    3. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try using your brain.

      Slavery was ended 150 years ago. Unless there's an exception for PhDs, Google doesn't own them, they employ them, and they could all walk out the door and march lock step back to Microsoft if they wanted.

      P.s., the actual number of PhDs at Google is probably around 1,000.

    4. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      First, it's unlikely that you've "known" 5000 PhDs to draw a meaningful conclusion.

      Second, doesn't it depend on what you find useful. And, perhaps it might be better to assess PhDs relative to another group doing the same job. Just out of curiousity, are the PhDs at the Stem Cell lab at a Wisconsin University (?) useless? How about those earning Nobel Prizes in Medicine, Chemistry, and Physics? What about the tens of thousands that go to work each day, earning not that much, just to incrementally improve our knowledge base?

      I suspect Google employs PhDs from only a subset of the university research system (e.g., mathematicians, CS, and so on). They do so because they have a specific objective in mind, which makes the PhDs (sampled in large numbers) a wise investment. Further, by and large the hiring process is not blind.

    5. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by kfg · · Score: 1

      First, it's unlikely that you've "known" 5000 PhDs to draw a meaningful conclusion.

      You mistake me. It is necessary to know 5000 PhDs to draw meaningful conclusions about 5000 PhDs. The operative word was "gaggle."

      Google employs PhDs from only a subset of the university research system. . .

      Yes, that's where I learned to think of them as a gaggle of worthless lackeys. In groups they revert to the bullshit mean.

      mathematicians

      These are most likely to be worth something, but only inside their own field, which is rarely where they end up working in the IT industry.

      CS

      On the whole I think only Doctors of Humanities outstrip these folks for bullshit these days. Don't anybody get your panties tied up in knots, I'm not talking about you, I don't even know you. I'm talking about the field.

      . . .makes the PhDs (sampled in large numbers). . .

      A gaggle of worthless lackeys. That's where I came in to this movie.

      . . .a wise investment.

      Would be to hand pick a very small number of brilliant men and let them have at. You'll find they not only do more work than 5000, but higher quality work.

      Newton, Einstein and Bucky Fuller all did their best work when they were out of both academia and industry. Of course you couldn't predict and direct that work. You should really think about that; and think about it hard.

      Google at least does better at this than most. They at least have a clue. Gore (The inventors of Gore-Tex, not the Internet) used to as well, but I haven't looked at them in a long time, so I don't know how they're faring these days.

      . . .by and large the hiring process is not blind.

      Don't get me started on "Human Resources" departments or the ability of managment to select likely candidates. Haven't you ever gone through the hiring mill yourself?

      In any case perhaps you misapprehend my point. The poster to whom I was responding seems to feel that the mere mention of the word "PhD" implies some sort of imprematuer. It does not. Only the man may or may not be valid.

      And if I were starting an engineering firm right now I'd trade at least 4950 PhDs for one Bucky Fuller.

      KFG

    6. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You sound a trifle bitter, and your argument is the same one used for the college degree vs. hard working high school dropout issue. But perhaps my biggest problem with your comment is that you seem to associate Ph.D.s with inherently smarter people. As you've rightfully pointed out, that claim is likely to be pure B.S. However, what the *average* Ph.D. CAN do that the *average* Bucky Fuller CANNOT do is bridge the gap between academia and industry. Note that we're talking averages here -- you're likely to find some Bucky's who can do what Ph.D. can do and some Ph.D.s who cannot do what Bucky can do. However, any Ph.D. (at least those employed by Google) has spent several years wrangling with the state of the art in the field and furthermore, has contributed originality to the FIELD. They are in a much better position to analyze academic developments in the field, EXTEND those developments to the project at hand and figure out how to integrate them into product in a commercial sense. Now if Bucky had chosen to get his Ph.D. (or at least masters) and survived the rigors of graduate school, he would be able to do the same. But Ph.D.s have put in the time, the pain and like it or not -- are more intellectually rigorous than your *AVERAGE* (keyword) Bucky with a bachelors. So no, 5000 Ph.D.s employed by Google -- and these are likely to be leading figures in their respective fields -- is NOT a bad investment. At the very, very least, they know more and can think more critically than their bachelor counterparts. To use a terrible military analogy, anyone can be a marine, but only if they put in the time, the training, survive the rigors and finish the program. But not everyone can perform like a marine, although *SOME* intuitively gifted individuals might.

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      An old-timer with old-timey ideas.
    7. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You sound a trifle bitter

      Not at all, but I can understand how, in an environment couched in overly polite language, mannerisms rather than manners, "straight shooting" might come across that way.

      Note that we're talking averages here

      Exactly. Gaggle.

      . . .you seem to associate Ph.D.s with inherently smarter people.

      I'm not at all sure you how you come to that conclusion, since, as you rightly point out I rightly point out that isn't case. In fact, it's about half my case in a nutshell.

      However, what the *average* Ph.D. CAN do that the *average* Bucky Fuller CANNOT do is bridge the gap between academia and industry.

      At the moment the bridges over the gap between academia and industry are almost entirely being built where they shouldn't be while the bridges going where they should are being burned. Industry is only too pleased to supply the gasoline and matches.

      As a result there is starting to be quite little of value to be found in either place as academia regresses to the industrial mean and thus academia has less and less of value to give to industry other than labor.

      I'm also getting a bit of amusement out of the idea of an "average" Buckey Fuller.

      . . .has contributed originality to the FIELD.

      Have you actually read a doctoral thesis lately? Originality does not imply value.

      You understand, don't you, that the Google search engine itself is a purely accidental byproduct of some bright kids fooling around with something that interested them intensely?

      5000 PhDs likely couldn't have accomplished the task.

      KFG

    8. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You understand, don't you, that the Google search engine itself is a purely accidental byproduct of some bright kids fooling around with something that interested them intensely?

      You do realize that the Google founders were in the Stanford PhD program, right? What makes you think that none of the other 5000 PhDs at Google can stumble upon something similar? Why do you think that Google mandates 20% of an employees time should be spent on fooling around with stuff?

    9. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by kfg · · Score: 1

      You do realize that the Google founders were in the Stanford PhD program, right?

      Grad students often do some fine work. Bill Joy is another obvious example in the field.

      Why do you think that Google mandates 20% of an employees time should be spent on fooling around with stuff?

      And this is, indeed, one of the things they get very right. I applaud them for it. We'll have to see how long it lasts now that the grad students have handed over the keys to the store.

      KFG

    10. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get me started on "Human Resources" departments or the ability of managment to select likely candidates. Haven't you ever gone through the hiring mill yourself?

      Some people from Microsoft came to my college recently for a couple of interviews (they interviewed 10 out of 20 applicants for internship). Out of those 10, 4 were selected for a second interview. And you know what? Only 3 were accepted: the 1 left out was the one with the best grades on my course, 2 had pretty good grades, and 1 had average grades (lower than most of the applicants).

      Knowing those 3 people for the last couple of years, I know the guys at MS were able to choose the best people they could've with very limited information (CVs + grades + interview), so maybe they (MS/Google HR) do know what they're doing...

    11. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .so maybe they (MS. . .) do know what they're doing...

      Indeed. They're building designing and building Microsoft products.

      KFG

    12. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      So what are these 5000 PhD's going to do? Take over Wickipedia and make it better??

      That sounds like an 'Ask Doctor Science' kind of thing. He has a degree, you know. In Science.

    13. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 0
      Ok...to be perfectly honest, I have no idea who Buckey Fuller is. I thought it was a sort of reference to "average Joe"...my mistake.

      ok, now about your reply:

      in an environment couched in overly polite language, mannerisms rather than manners
      Slashdot is overly polite???? :)

      As a result there is starting to be quite little of value to be found in either place as academia regresss to the industrial mean and thus academia has less and less of value to give to industry other than labor.

      When you say academia is regressing to the industrial mean, you're making a little bit of a blanket generalization. There are areas of academia that are inherently "marketable" and those that are not. The former might be regressing to the whims of industry, but then that is where their value lies. To be clear, I'm talking about fields like Industrial Engineering, and within Comp.Sci, areas like databases, web search and mining, software engineering. However, there are significant portions of academia that have very little to do with industry, but which produce innovations that are eventually used by the industry. I was referring to these areas when I said "bridge the gap between academia and industry". A lot of innovation at Google and elsewhere comes from area like A.I., which are certainly not funded by industry, at least in a majority. Most companies couldn't give a damn if I came up with a tractable POMDP and such, but if tomorrow I invented a kickass new search algorithm, sure they'd be lining up for patent rights. My point was that it takes either Ph.D.s, or very, very, very committed "Average Joe"s to keep abreast of multiple, possibly obscure fields, and have the foresight and technical ability to adapt those obscure results that you consider useless to the product at hand. The only reason I say this is because Mr.Ph.D. has a 5-7 year head start in full-time research than Average Joe, who likely has been working his ass off on 18 hour workdays trying to meet production deadlines. In that situation (and I think we've all been there), I find it highly unlikely that Mr. Joe is going use his weekends to learn advanced statistics and browse through the latest CS journals.

      Have you actually read a doctoral thesis lately? Originality does not imply value
      True, but it doesn't exclude it either. I'd say there's a pretty good chance of originality having value somewhere. Doctoral theses aren't supposed to change the world. And as a matter of fact, yes I have read a few theses lately. It's what I DO for a living (a meagre living it is though). If you're interested, I'll send you links to some theses that are a) recent b) quite brilliant and c) have some value in SOME industry somewhere. But again, remember that industrial value is not usually an objective for the average Ph.D. thesis.

      And while you're right -- there are a lot of "fluff" theses out there, I'd say you're speaking in gross generalization about academia. From your point of view, it almost seems like getting a Ph.D. is the most worthless waste of time in the world. Google might indeed have been the work of two smart kids, but there ARE a lot of people in academia who are very smart, but might not have money or starting a company as their primary life objective. Don't be so quick to judge them, or academia.

      While I partially understand where you're coming from, it just seems that you're taking an overly harsh 'git the college boy' attitude.

      --
      An old-timer with old-timey ideas.
    14. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Credentials don't mean as much as you appear to think they do. Taken en masse 5000 PhDs just means that the bullshit gets piled even higher and deeper."

      5000 PhDs, not 5000 MCSE certificate holders...

      --
      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    15. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by hopethisnickisnottak · · Score: 1

      Do you think these 5000 PhDs are going to stick around as the company flirts (in the future, maybe) with bankruptcy? Won't other companies make them offers they can't refuse?

      These PhDs are worthless from a book value point of view because Google doesn't own them.

      --
      -Shaunak
    16. Re:5000 Worthless PhDs? by jc42 · · Score: 1

      They have basically no meaningful assets.

      They've got 5000 PhDs.


      Um; they don't own those; they're only renting. Ownership of humans was made illegal back in the 1860s.

      As Microsoft has been learning lately, any of their employees can walk out the door at any time.

      Of course, if they seriously work on keeping their people happy (PhD or not), the story might be different. Reports are that they're doing this, so far.

      But management policies can change fast.

      --
      Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
  12. Big gushing waves of craphype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was the most hype-filled article (Google Becomes God! Google Downloads Your Brain!) coming from a hype engine, Business 2.0. Ugh. The tech press bites. I need to take a shower.

  13. I see a future that consists solely of by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Micro$oft, Google & Taco Bell.

    Be Well..

    1. Re:I see a future that consists solely of by kavau · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. There will always be Starbucks.

  14. Stolen From Author by Emrikol · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://www.365tomorrows.com/09/12/the-nine-billion -names-of-god/

    The Nine Billion Names Of God
    by Kathy Kachelries
    September 12th, 2005
    After three hours, the old man in front of me had worked his way through six beers, in addition to every help desk joke I'd already heard. The cupholder. The any key. The write click. These are the stories people tell, now. These are the fish that got away.

    "Let me ask you something," the man said. I didn't argue. One of the first tricks I learned about being a bartender is to make them think you're interested.

    "Have you ever created a web site?"

    I shook my head.

    "Not at all? Not even one of those geocities things?"

    "Nope."

    "What about a blog? Or an ebay About Me page? You didn't even have an AOL site or something?"

    "Do I look like an AOL user to you?" For the record, I don't think AOL even has access numbers in the valley anymore. "I'm sure I have something, somewhere," I said, realizing that I was jeopardizing my tips. Besides, I had a distant memory of a single Angelfire page back in middle school.

    "You know what Google is?"

    "Yes," I said. I was running low on patience.

    "No, I mean, do you really know? More than just the site?"

    Reluctantly, I shook my head.

    "You ever meet anyone who worked for them?"

    "Don't think so."

    "You haven't. Nobody works for them anymore."

    I shrugged, and took the man's empty pint. I didn't offer to refill it.

    "They're self-contained. It's all automated, in there. It's underground."

    I nudged the basket of pretzels in his direction. "Why don't you eat something?" I suggested. He shook his head with so much force that I thought he might knock himself off of the stool.

    "Listen. Hear me out. You know how Google works," he said, but didn't want for a response. "They cache things, right? Like they send out these spiders and take pictures of everything on the web, so when you're searching, you're not even searching the internet."

    I've heard that before, but it never made much of a difference to me. "Same thing, though," I said.

    "You ever wonder why Google doesn't cache it's own searches?"

    "They program around it."

    "No. That's what you think. That's what everyone thinks. But it started back when Google was just a thesis project, back when it was just a drop in the data sea. No one thought to stop it back then. That web site you had, the one you forgot about. Almost everyone's got one of those, right? But Google doesn't forget. Google's studied that thing so many times that it's studied its own caches of you. What do you figure happens, when a site gets so big that it's bigger than the internet?"

    "It's still a part of the internet, though."

    "No. Now, the internet is a part of Google."

    The man had a point. I nodded.

    "Here's the thing. Google has memorized who you are. It's memorized all of us, through those little forgotten bits that we leave behind like breadcrumbs. And what's more important, it's memorized it's own idea of you. Google is omniscient. It's omniscient and omnipotent. When it cached its cache for the first time, back in 1994, that's when Google realized what it was."

    Gradually, it dawned on me what the man was getting at. "You think it's sentient."

    "I know it's sentient."

    "How?"

    He smiled, but it seemed kind of empty. "Me and Google go way back. But what I'm saying is," he continued, "It knows us. All of us. It is us."

    For the first time, the man fell silent. He touched his finger to the bar and began tracing circles in the condensation, apparently lost in thought.

    "Think about that website you created, okay? That website will last forever, do you understand? That website is echoing through cyberspace. It's one of the nine billion names of God."

    (If you mod up, Mod up Funny so I get no Karma)

    --
    You're all bastards!
    1. Re:Stolen From Author by fawlty154 · · Score: 1

      And I think the author whom you stole it from was not the original author. Not the original author of the concept anyway. Scott Adams (the Dilbert creator) wrote a "thought experiment" which espouses this very concept, and he wrote it a number of years ago.

      If anyone's interested, he gives it away as a free eBook.
      And of course, Google's cached version

    2. Re:Stolen From Author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the idea was that we as a socieity became interconnected due to the internet, and became God, and created ourselves?

    3. Re:Stolen From Author by eklipsse · · Score: 0

      If memory serves my right, In Clarke's novel, when the machine eventually finds the name of God, the world is coming to an end. As my imaginary friend noticed, this joke never gets old in my selfcontained universe: If the world is coming to an end, SAVE YOUR BUFFERS

  15. 2105 by thefirelane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly, does that really even make sense?

    I bet people sat around and wondered what the Carnegie Steel of 1995 would be like. I'm sure they had fun, but it probably wasn't worth the effort.

    1. Re:2105 by dotpavan · · Score: 2, Funny
      Honestly, does that really even make sense?..I bet people sat around and

      you forgot to add smoking pot..

    2. Re:2105 by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Yes, this was pure wanking on CNN's part.

      --
      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    3. Re:2105 by noamsml · · Score: 1

      Actually, it might be a good read, if not only for the laughs.

    4. Re:2105 by Sinistrad_D · · Score: 0
      Honestly, does that really even make sense?
      Its human nature to want to look to the future and right now Google is one of the biggest "buzz" generators there is. Look at Slashdot or digg as an example, find a story with the word Google and it will probably hit the main page. CNN is using a combination of the desire to "predict" the future and the biggest attention generating company (right now) to generate a little web traffic.
    5. Re:2105 by heatdeath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I bet people sat around and wondered what the Carnegie Steel of 1995 would be like. I'm sure they had fun, but it probably wasn't worth the effort.

      Haha, yeah, or standard oil. Oh wait, if it weren't split up into 34 different companies, several of which are the largest and most profitable companies in the world now (Exxon-mobile has the largest profit of any corporation in the world), it would be a freaking scary company. The daughter companies combined have an annual revenue of well over a trillion dollars. Can you imagine a world in which they'd been able to leverage their monopoly?

      I think back then, a few people thought about the future, and that's why they decided to break it up.

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  16. Google is good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but is it plaque good?

  17. Comparing Kurzweil to Wolfram? by Assmasher · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    That's an enormous disservice to Wolfram. Yeah, I know, flamebait, but I have never managed to understand why people think Kurzweil knows the first thing about 'A.I.'? Have they ever looked at his work in the field? LOL.

    You should mark this off-topic too. (Sorry)

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  18. Predicting the future eh? Put some logic into it. by MindPrison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google is all about information. This is worth a lot of money, and can be used to just about anything, what else is new?

    My worry is not related to Google being evil, its more in the power of the individual. No man should have access to all information about another man. Personally I dont believe in Google being Evil as such, but experience and history shows that if you put man into a position where he has the choice of being all powerful ruling and controlling the other party or just sticking to morality and ethics he will chose control over ethics in the blink of an eye.

    Its good to see the general public so concerned about what Google does, this means you are not willingly giving up your privacy just like that and wont let anyone get away with bullying your life around. Now this sounds awful paranoid and crusader-like... but its really not. The action we take today - will affect everyone tomorrow, so better be safe, take precautions now rather than say "oh...its probably all okay" and have a disaster unforseen in the future.

    Every time Ive been paraniod Ive been right, that doesnt mean that Im right about everything - it simply means - if you can think it - its probably feasible and doable. So better safe than sorry.

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    What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
  19. oblig by dotpavan · · Score: 1

    quote: "The analyst controls the stock market as much as the weatherman controls the weather" (read on some website). It is a mindless speculation, to fill material for their website, and for us to idle away our time discussing/predicting/speculating about Google's future. troll? I dont think so, just an overdose of Google stories (Googlophobia? had to google to check if thats right!)

    1. Re:oblig by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      That's just stupid. Analysts have a lot more influence on the stock market than meterologists have on the weather.

      If some stock analyst makes predications, and people believe him, they will then go and buy/sell stock based on his predictions, which will alter the stock market in such a way that his predicitons are more likely to be true. If an analyst is well-trusted and his statements are acted upon, his predictions are more likely to be true because more people will act in such a way as to make them true.

      --
      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
    2. Re:oblig by AdamThirteenth · · Score: 1

      Except when the weatherman speaks to millions of potential buyers of sunshine driving the price of sunshine up for no good reason other than what an analyst says.

      then other buyers go, omg! I like sunshie... sunshine can make me rich! it went up 20% yesterday because of what some jackoff analyst said on JIM KRAMER'S REAL SUNSHINE!

      Now everyone's buying google... erm, uhm, i mean sunshine, and it's 400 dollars a share for no good reason.

    3. Re:oblig by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Well, it's that butterfly effect, you know. Somewhere ahead of us in time, all the world's weather depends on the arm wavings of that meterologist.

      The stock market is at least connected to the real world in some way ;-D

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      xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
  20. How about strong IA? by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Funny
    We'll see IA (Intelligence Augmentation) facilitated and enabled by global networked computing infrastructure, first.

    Which is scarier than strong AI, if you think about it. A small group of evil superintelligent humans is more dangerous than a suddenly self-aware entity living in datacenters we can disconnenct and unplug if we notice anything weird going on. I hope a couple of PhDs at google are on top of detecting these sorts of things before they get out of hand.

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  21. Whatever the future holds for google by RLiegh · · Score: 1

    ...we already know what it holds for them in china! *plays 'do the brownnose'*

  22. My only question is... by Rodness · · Score: 3, Funny

    In what year is Google going to enslave and exterminate the human race, and then send cyborgs back through time to retroactively crush the resistance?

    1. Re:My only question is... by SchrodingersRoot · · Score: 1

      2034

      After it merges with Jello, and Bill Cosby's brain takes over as CEO (chief enforcement officer?).

    2. Re:My only question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the answer? ask google!

  23. Focus Drift to Other Areas by gmletzkojr · · Score: 1

    If Google still exists in the 'far off' future, it will most likely not look the same as it does now, in respect to the products/services it serves. More likely, it will evolve into something else, fairly unexpected.

    The company that I currently contract to was involved in heavy earth drilling 100 years ago. That industry was part of the core business. It defined the company. A year or 2 ago, they sold that portion of the business to a competitor, in order to focus on other areas. This company is just an example, but many others 'drift' from what the founders envision. It's not that the company abandons the founders' views, they just find that more money is to be made elsewhere. I suspect Google will go into areas that we aren't thinking of, just because that is how business works.

    --
    I for one welcome our new [insert main topic] overlords.
  24. Google will replace US Mail/Cell / Telephones/Maps by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given that Google is so well known and widely used today, Google might eventually create a gadget replace most mail, newspapers, magazines, maps and telephone calls.
    They already offer tons of services for free, and eventually will branch out to mobile gadgetry.

    In 2010 you will just carry around your own pocket Google Hand Unit and instantly communicate by voice or text with anyone anywhere, plot your map to find a route, and then read the news/web when you go to meet up with them.

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    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
  25. ph33r of a 600g13 p14n3t! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Enjoy a nice frosty GoogleCola!(tm)

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    1. Re:ph33r of a 600g13 p14n3t! by vlaube · · Score: 1
  26. Two things we can be certain of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) We haven't a clue

    2) It's going to be fun

  27. Defence Contractor? by funkmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm waiting for Google to become a defence contractor and start working on the ballastic missle shield. They could call it GOBBLE: (G)oogle (O)rbiting (B)lastic (B)ombardment (L)ongrange (E)liminator. Besides the obvious purposes, GOBBLE could respond in real-time to subversive search terms. Like someone searching for LOLITA in Utah would be blasted by a laser in space.

    1. Re:Defence Contractor? by DaSwing · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for Google to become a defence contractor and start working on the ballastic missle shield. They could call it GOBBLE: (G)oogle (O)rbiting (B)lastic (B)ombardment (L)ongrange (E)liminator. Besides the obvious purposes, GOBBLE could respond in real-time to subversive search terms. Like someone searching for LOLITA in Utah would be blasted by a laser in space.

      I can't wait to try out the beta version!

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      11. Thou shall obey Da mighty Swing
  28. We are Google by thewiz · · Score: 1

    Resistance is futile.

    --
    If "disco" means "I learn" in Latin, does "discothèque" mean "I learn technology"?
  29. Why does it have to change? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    What if in 10 years, the internet and Google are almost exactly the same as right now, but with slightly more features? I guess that's way too obvious, either they must invent warp drive, or they will drag the entire internet offline in a Vesuvian meltdown... I don't think it will be that dramatic. Look at the internet 8 years ago, and aside from much more powerful desktops, some new mapping software, etc. the internet was approximately the same idea. Thus, I predict it will remain the same general concept for at least another 10-20 years (kinda like cars since 1920, gotten better but still 4 wheels, doors, etc.)

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    1. Re:Why does it have to change? by 1a1n · · Score: 1

      what, you mean they are going to become aol?

    2. Re:Why does it have to change? by Isaac-1 · · Score: 1

      Good analogy, lets take it a step forward, the automobile was basicly invented in the 1890's, the internet was invented in the 1970's. 30 odd years into the internet and we have the era that we are living in today (roughly a decade after the first mass public involvement), with many things that have changed little in the last decade (is email, online shopping, or even slashdot that much different than it was nearly a decade ago), and potential for new uses and new ways to see things just around the corner (on demand video, customized content, etc). Now lets compare automobiles of 1920's this was towards the end of the era of the Ford Model T (first introduced about a decade before bringing cars to the common man) and just before the birth of automobiles that much more resemble their modern cousins in the 1930's. Some to the point of still being roadworthy collectors items today, antiques to be sure, but none the less roadworthy. Compare this to the model T that has been religated to being museum exhits, or only see the road during parades. To follow this analogy out, we are just now seeing the birth of the net into a form that it will closely resemble for the next 75 years.

      Ike

  30. Google's fate in 20 years by ingo23 · · Score: 1
    Funny article, but the authors seem to be good writers rather than analysts. Google is not much different from any other company that brought a technological breakthrough. Everyone is excited about them the first 10-15 years, then they become big and slow.

    Any large organization faces the same growth problem - it's very difficult to manage. Either it desintegrates or is transformed into something different may be keeping the name.

    Examples? IBM, Microsoft, Soviet Union.

  31. A new big brother! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever." O'Brein (George Orwell's 1984)

    Seriously, they're probably just the next hand around the throat of technology.

  32. My name is Google, King of Kings by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
    I met a traveller from an antique land

    Who said:--Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

    Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,

    Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown

    And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command

    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

    Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,

    The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.

    And on the pedestal these words appear:

    "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:

    Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"

  33. Kind of funny article :-) by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    Heh, especially scenario 2 was funny (besides the super sci-fi scenario of 2105)

    Scenario 2 (Circa 2015): Google is the Internet
    Free wi-fi, a faster version of the Web, the Gbrowser, and the cube transform the technology landscape and our language.


    Yes yes, because Google is working to offer free wi-fi now, and I just heard they're purchasing fiber so it must be a new Internet, and, and, there was this Gbrowser rumor so they're actually working on that, and that cube... yes, it all makes sense now! :-p Because all rumors usually come true!!1

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    1. Re:Kind of funny article :-) by noamsml · · Score: 1

      Google cube will be running Google Opera alongside the Web 3.0 (AKA the video internet) version of Duke Nukem Forever. All this will be on the sturdy base of Windows Vista Ultimate R0x0rz Edition.

  34. Yahoo! by Anonymouse+Cownerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember 10 years ago, when Yahoo was what Google is today? People don't really care for Yahoo anymore. In 10 years from now, someone else would have de-throned Google, and we'll wonder how we could live without them. Google would no longer be king, and they won't matter any more.

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    1. Re:Yahoo! by UtucXul · · Score: 1
      Remember 10 years ago, when Yahoo was what Google is today? People don't really care for Yahoo anymore. In 10 years from now, someone else would have de-throned Google, and we'll wonder how we could live without them. Google would no longer be king, and they won't matter any more.
      Was Yahoo really were Google is? They may have been the biggest search engine/portal, but I'm sure far less people had heard of them and they had less pop-culture/language impact. And web wasn't were it is today then, so being at the top of web searching meant something different then.

      Now none of that means someone can't come and surpass Google in the future. I just don't think comparisons to Yahoo are useful in assessing that possibility.
    2. Re:Yahoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...unless of course they expand their business model beyond `advertising on the search engine', which it doesn't seem very likely at this point.

    3. Re:Yahoo! by hyperizer · · Score: 1

      Actually, I remember everyone raving about AltaVista back then!

    4. Re:Yahoo! by ClearlyPennsylvania · · Score: 1

      One big difference - companies didn't truly understand the power of the search. Nowadays, we understand search to be basically people's door to the web. Everything is done through search it seems like. Back then, search was companies knew that they needed, but they didn't truly understand the power of it.

    5. Re:Yahoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In many ways Yahoo!'s business plan makes more sense than Google's. I don't have the latest information in front of me and I'm too lazy to look but last year Yahoo! was more profitable than Google.

    6. Re:Yahoo! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People don't really care for Yahoo anymore.

      So I was playing with the new Yahoo! maps beta. I wanted to send a map to a friend. There's no obvious way to get a linkable URL to a resultant map page. Google has that right at the top. Yahoo wants to hide everything in frames. Google use images and a nice javascript tiling engine. Yahoo publishes to flash. They have a 'mail a friend' feature that doesn't include the map information, at least in the plain text alternative.

      So, somebody at Yahoo thinks these are good decisions. If Google can manage to not hire these kinds of bozos maybe they have a chance.

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  35. Google Barcode? Mark of the Beast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My prediction? When this barcode comes out 3rd quarter next year (9/4/2007), I refuse to receive it on my forehead or hand. You think I kid?

    6 letters in Google, a google is 10^10^10 (and removing the two devil horns "^" and writing it as binary 101010, the 6 devlish digits are exposed), and for the final piece of this puzzling portent, the barcode date itself will celebrate the 6 year anniversary of the PageRank patent which was granted on 9/4/2001.

    Comeon, man! Don't be fooled here. Google? Don't be evil? Riiiiiight...

    1. Re:Google Barcode? Mark of the Beast? by bap · · Score: 1

      > a google is 10^10^10

      The number is actually spelled GOOGOL, which is 10^100, ie 10^(10^2) or (10^10)^10. In normal usage 10^10^10 = 10^(10^10), which is much bigger.

  36. Re:Predicting the future eh? Put some logic into i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My worry is not related to Google being evil, its more in the power of the individual. No man should have access to all information about another man.

    Well well, MindPrison, you 18 year old Belgian guy, born 5 May 1988, interested in web site development and frequenting Sitemasters.be, yes, I have to kind of agree with this opinion. ;-)

  37. Google coming out with paypal competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's to be called gmoney.com

    1. Re:Google coming out with paypal competitor? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      They'll have this little counter on the login page, showing you how fast google is pumping gmoney into your account. 'cause they don't want you to stop spending like we used to in the past. No. They want you to spend as much as you can, 'cause that's what having an account is all about.
      It's totally free, you'll only see these small text-based ads (with relevant info), and you get all the gmoney you want. Google, changing the way you think about money.

  38. Isn't Daydreaming great? by RyoShin · · Score: 1

    Some of those have possibilities, and others just sound perposterous. However, it is amazing how fast the world can change.

    It took roughtly 100 years to go from building the first car to lading on the moon. Considering that, and thanks to cures for many diseases, better healthcare, and a wider teaching of knowledge, not to mention population growth, science is probably moving ahead at a near exponential rate, so some of the events from the last one ("Google Is God") could be possible.

    Regardless, Google does seem to have unlimited potential. As a company, it only has almost 8 years. Comparatively, Microsoft is 30 years old; Apple is 29; Yahoo! is 11. (numbers from Wikipedia.) But in the short time that it has existed, it has accomplished so much and spread into so many areas. Now that Google is a public company, and thus responsible to their shareholders, it is iffy if they can stick to their "do no evil" catchphrase, but they certainly seem to stay on the straight road without problems.

  39. At least they didn't ask John C. Dvorak by FishandChips · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The articles would have had more bite if they'd included one or two written from a different perspective.They all come over as the ideas of comfortably-off American professionals doing OK thank you. But if it's true that the coming century will belong to China and perhaps India then Google's eventual fate may just as easily be decided by those outside the USA as those inside it. It would have been interesting to read a SE Asian or Indian journalist's take. After all, in twenty years' time Google could be owned by a foreign corporation.

    Just my 2 cents, but Google's dream of becoming the world's information provider doesn't look as if it will come off. People have seen the trap already - no corporation can be trusted, so it's insane to give one that kind of power - and Google's mistaken moves in China have blown off the remaining gloss on Do No Evil. From now on, it may be a much harder grind for them, and if the information issues get too hot they could easily end up being regulated into a corner. The last of the articles alludes to the huge trouble and loss of trust even one hacking scandal could cause them.

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    1. Re:At least they didn't ask John C. Dvorak by Twinbee · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Google's mistaken moves in China have blown off the remaining gloss on Do No Evil

      A lots been said on it I know, but just to conclude that they did not make that decision lightly. See the Google Blog.

      For all you know (and let's face it, neither of us has a clue), maybe it is the fastest way to globally uncensored speech. We'll see you eat your words if in 5-10 years, China accepts the uncensored Google. Oh, and one other thing, Yahoo or other search engines aren't THAT much worse than Google, so China wouldn't have been missing an awful lot. Thus they would not have cared, and kept their censoring policy anyway.
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    2. Re:At least they didn't ask John C. Dvorak by FishandChips · · Score: 1

      You're right, neither of us has a clue as to how or whether Google's activities in China will influence their government. But that's not the point. The core plank of Google's pitch is "Trust us to be the world's information provider". Not "We are the #1 search engine people" or "We do ads better than Microsoft or Yahoo" but "We are the folks you trust with your information". Well after the China business they aren't that any more. Big hole in Google's ozone layer, I'd say.

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    3. Re:At least they didn't ask John C. Dvorak by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      It really depends on your viewpoint. You may have lost all faith in them, and I can understand that.
      Understand yes... However, I don't agree.
      Basically, Google had two options with reference to the China thing. Either censor data (and make it very clear they're doing so with text at the bottom of the page), or not be accessible at all (essentially, censoring themselves completely). They chose the lesser of two evils, and I personally respect and trust that decision.
      It's fairly likely that many other people feel the same way I do about it - whether you are one of those people or not doesn't matter - the fact is that Google HAVEN'T lost everyone's faith in them as being trustworthy (just a % somewhere between 0 and 100)

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  40. meh by game+kid · · Score: 1

    "Micro$oft, Google & Taco Bell."

    I forgive your inadvertent misspelling of McDonald's and your ignorance (and mine) of Firefox. Still, correct.

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    1. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHOOSH!

    2. Re:meh by monkeydo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Watch the movie and then get back to us.

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  41. As a revolutionary standing at that bridge... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "GIGO" the old man said. "Did you ever hear of GIGO?"
    "No" I replied.
    "It's an old, old idea. But one of the first we learned."
    "So, so what about GIGO?"
    Something close to a smile crossed his face, quickly, like smoke, then gone.
    "Oh, nothing. Jus' wondered."

  42. Another option by dbucowboy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Google will change the internet or at the very least the way that the internet is experienced.

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  43. Google 2105? No, it's Goole 2084. by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Funny
  44. Google! by xzanthar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I for one welcome our google overlords.

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  45. As a wise old man said: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm.. The dark side clouds everything... Impssiblie to see the future is.

  46. Pfft, no holodecks? by hodet · · Score: 1

    I want my googledeck!

  47. A Less Distant Prediction by x0dus · · Score: 1

    A less futuristic prediction posted here claims Google will soon enter the affiliate marketing sphere. Makes a lot of sense since some pay per click networks switched to pay for performance after the dotcom crash (in fact Commission Junction got rid of PPC entirely). It's a lot easier to police such a network for fraudulent affiliates.

  48. The real question... by TheCreeep · · Score: 1

    ...is whether or not Google will outlast us humans.

  49. The real answer... by shrike99 · · Score: 0

    In the Future, Goggle owns YOU!

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  50. Scenario 5. by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 1

    Scenario 5: Google's database storage reaches a google bytes. Founders' heads explode.

    1. Re:Scenario 5. by oscartheduck · · Score: 1

      Not to want to burst too many bubbles, but I suspect you mean a googol bytes.

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    2. Re:Scenario 5. by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 1

      That's the point :D There is no 'google.' Just googol. The fact that they have google bytes warps reality and blows their heads up.

      :P

  51. FTA: by Dukael_Mikakis · · Score: 1

    1) "To Google or Not to Google?," by Jason Kottke, kottke.org, Feb 26, 2003

    I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Google fanatics?

  52. More like "Stolen From Arthur" by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Nine Billion Names of God

    By Arthur Clarke

    (originally published 1953)

    "This is a slightly unusual request," said Dr. Wagner, with what he hoped was commendable restraint. "As far as I know, it's the first time anyone's been asked to supply a Tibetan monastery with an automatic sequence computer. I don't wish to be inquisitive, but I should hardly thought that your --ah-- establishment had much use for such a machine. Could you explain just what you intend to do with it?"

    "Gladly," replied the lama, readjusting his silk robe and carefully putting away the slide rule he had been using for currency conversions. "Your Mark V computer can carry out any routine mathematical operation involving up to ten digits. However, for our work we are interested in letters, not numbers. As we wish you to modify the output circuits, the machine will be printing words, not columns of figures."

    "I don't understand . . ."

    "This is a project on which we have been working for the last three centuries -- since the lamasery was founded, in fact. It is somewhat alien to your way of thought, so I hope you will listen with an open mind while I explain it."

    "Naturally."

    "It is really quite simple. We have been compiling a list which shall contain all the possible names of God."

    "I beg your pardon?"

    "We have reason to believe," continued the lama imperturbably, "that all such names can be written with not more than nine letters in an alphabet we have devised."

    "And you have been doing this for three centuries?"

    "Yes. We expected it would take us about fifteen thousand years to complete the task."

    "Oh." Dr. Wagner looked a little dazed. "Now I see why you wanted to hire one of our machines. But exactly what is the purpose of this project?"

    The lama hesitated for a fraction of a second, and Wagner wondered if he had offended him. If so, there was no trace of annoyance in the reply.

    "Call it ritual, if you like, but it's a fundamental part of our belief. All the many names of the Supreme Being -- God, Jehovah, Allah, and so on -- they are only man-made labels. There is a philosophical problem of some difficulty here, which I do not propose to discuss, but somewhere among all the possible combinations of letters, which can occur, are what one may call the real names of God. By systematic permutation of letters, we have been trying to list them all."

    "I see. You've been starting at AAAAAAAAA . . . and working up to ZZZZZZZZZ . . ."

    "Exactly -- though we use a special alphabet of our own. Modifying the electromatic typewriters to deal with this is, of course, trivial. A rather more interesting problem is that of devising suitable circuits to eliminate ridiculous combinations. For example, no letter must occur more than three times in succession."

    "Three? Surely you mean two."

    "Three is correct. I am afraid it would take too long to explain why, even if you understood our language."

    "I'm sure it would," said Wagner hastily. "Go on."

    "Luckily it will be a simple matter to adapt your automatic sequence computer for this work, since once it has been programmed properly it will permute each letter in turn and print the result. What would have taken us fifteen thousand years it will be able to do in a thousand days."

    Dr. Wagner was scarcely conscious of the faint sounds from the Manhattan streets far below. He was in a different world, a world of natural, not man-made, mountains. High up in their remote aeries these monks had been patiently at work, generation after generation, compiling their lists of meaningless words. Was there any limit to the follies of mankind? Still, he must give no hint of his inner thoughts. The customer was always right . . .

    "There's no doubt," replied the doctor, "that we can modify the Mark V to print lists of this nature. I'm much more worried about the problem of installation and maintenance. Getting out to Tibet, in these days, is n

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    1. Re:More like "Stolen From Arthur" by Emrikol · · Score: 1

      Thanks!

      You've made me smarter. /me stands down

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    2. Re:More like "Stolen From Arthur" by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      De nada. The Silver Age will never be forgot, at least not as long as I'm around.

      FWIW, I read "God's Debris" a few years ago, and thought it was half-assed crap, a collection of the kind of self important sophist nonsense that is so impressive and insightful sounding to people who don't really have much experience at thinking.

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    3. Re:More like "Stolen From Arthur" by mykdavies · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're implying (or that's my reading) that this story was plagiarised, but I'm sure that Kathy wrote the story as an homage to Arthur C. Clarke's story, and expected that her readers would recognise it as such (especially as it won a 'retrospective'(?!) Hugo a couple of years ago).

      I certainly read the story in that way, and enjoyed the story more for its resonances, and how it played with the original, than I would have done without that understanding. I think that SF is very often clearly "of its time" and responds better than other genres to re-interpretation.

      On the topic of cartoonists writing philosophy, the least said the better!

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    4. Re:More like "Stolen From Arthur" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can anyone stole something more pleae!

    5. Re:More like "Stolen From Arthur" by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean to imply plagiarism. My subject ("More like 'Stolen From Arthur'") was intended to be a play on words, based on the parent's subject ("Stolen From Author"). Puns (especially mine) don't always come across in writing, unfortunatley.

      BTW, I commend you on your choice of phrasing. A more typical Slashdot response would have been, "She didn't steal it from anybody you ASSHAT! Their completly different! RTFA!"
       
      ...and it would have been posted anonymously.

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  53. If you want to see drift take a look at this.. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    http://www.curtisswright.com/
    Yes the company that Glenn Curtiss and the Wright brothers. They don't make airplanes anymore.

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  54. Transcending search, etc. by ezpei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The company has so much f-ing cash right now that anyone who attempts to analyze it on the basis of current businesses instead of potential acquisitions or new development is basically looking backward. Between the cash they have and the capital they could raise if they EVER INCURRED ANY DEBT, they can buy/build almost anything they want and go in almost any direction from here.

    Further, we need to remember what Microsoft is: a marketing company. They buy other peoples' products then remarket them as their own after making it impossible to own or use one without the others. Who are we to say Google won't do likewise or better?

    Speculation is futile. You either believe they're smart or you don't. After that, you still have no shot at pricing the stock...it's a pure Keynesian beauty contest.

  55. Re:Predicting the future eh? Put some logic into i by displague · · Score: 1

    I think you are really discounting the effect of punishment in our system of jurisprudence. Ethics and morality aside, logic and wisdom tell you that you will be hunted down and/or caught then punished. That, for most people, is a strong deterrent; as is evidenced by our orderly society.

    Neither the organization or someone in a position with the organization will breach the bounds of that with which they know they can not ultimately "get away". I've been in IT for a good long while and have had and continue to have access to more than a fair share of recycled passwords and secret numbers. And yet, I have never considered using any of that stuff outside of the sinister joke with a co-worker, a'la Office Space, sans the actual worm and setting the building on fire.

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  56. Tasty apple compared to mouldy orange? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be ridiculous.

    Wolfram discovers some interesting relationships between mathematics and nature and suddenly finds his own God in them, and seems content to completely ignore the scientific method from then on in. The saving grace is that at least he called it "A New Kind of Science" ... just as well, since it's not Science at all actually.

    Kurzweil is simply a practical engineer who also happens to be a visionary. His crystal ball is only slightly leess cloudy than that of the run of the mill futurist, but at least he's both logical and scientific in his predictions and doesn't conjure up A New Truth out of imagined symmetries in ink blots.

  57. Silly /.'ers.. by thrillbert · · Score: 1

    ... don't you know that the world is ending on 2012??? There will be no google, no yahoo, no /., or much of anything else.. at least that's what the aztecs told me...

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  58. Google will continue to go strong by Archbob · · Score: 0

    Despite being "disappointing" to analysts with earnings growth of "only" 86%, Google will continue to be strong for many years to come. Its already the dominate players in search engines and a leader in contextual based advertising. I'm not sure about the other projects Google is up to though, they don't really make the company profit and may be detrimental in the long run.

  59. Oh no by shadwstalkr · · Score: 1

    Ray Kurzweil and Stephen Wolfram

    Not those jokers again. Can't they stay in their own fields?

  60. Re:Predicting the future eh? Put some logic into i by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    I think you are really discounting the effect of punishment in our system of jurisprudence. Ethics and morality aside, logic and wisdom tell you that you will be hunted down and/or caught then punished. That, for most people, is a strong deterrent; as is evidenced by our orderly society.

    More wishful thinking in an ideal world I would say. What is one mans reality is not nessesarily the reality for another.

    I commend you for your honesty, and really wish other people would be just like you - belive me I REALLY WISH people where like you. Unfortunately I have experienced otherwise, and the justice system you say? While we all are somewhat responsible for the justice system - we are still all humans, and humans are known for their strong convictions and personal beliefs, thats sometimes what drives us forward, its also the same stuff that drives us over the edge.

    Sometimes I fiddle with the thoughts of what I would do if I had infinite access to information about everyone and if I where also incredibly wealthy ... would I still be the caring person I "hope" that I am today. I have experienced much about myself - seen the scary side of my humanity and the human side as well. Therefor I know I am not without flaws, I could easily make the mistake of abusing my powers.

    You, my friend - assume too much, naive? I dont know - I like you, but I am afraid not many have the same high moral standards.

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  61. the singularity is receding by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    Kurzwiel had been on record as predicting the singularity, which would probably include artificial intelligence achieving self-awareness, would occur in 45 years.

    now its "...StrongBot became aware of, one day in January 2072

    Thats ok...its a lot safer to move the horizons than to say we will never reach them.

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    1. Re:the singularity is receding by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Kurzweil still very much thinks that the singularity will happen in 2030-ish. I imagine the author just found that a little hard to swallow, so he decided to push the year ahead himself.

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  62. Filling Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article isn't that interesting, but it's not supposed to be. It's just an example of /. filling the demanded quota of news stories for Google, the ruler of all!

  63. Google should be replaced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with something that doesn't censor websites.

  64. Google OS by alucinor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think Google is building an operating system right in front of our very eyes ... their search algorithms are its kernel, people and content are it's resources and processes, the search field is the command line and user-interface. Granted, this is a liberal view of an operating system, but to me, the operating system is just a sort of catch-all phrase for describing the software that interfaces people with technology. Our own hands were the first "operating system" when they picked up a rock to put it to some purpose.

    But while the need to display images will surely never go away, I do imagine a future in which GUIs are replaced by a renaissance in the CLI (command line). What goes around comes around. But in this paradigm, the CLI performs natural language processing, and also can understand spoken commands as well as typed. If Google ever does an "OS" I seriously believe it will be something like this.

    The future is not so much in "operating systems" as in "artificial intelligence", which is really just a buzzword for search.

    We'll see the first signs of this once Google Desktop starts being used in more robust ways, like as an application launcher.

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    1. Re:Google OS by alucinor · · Score: 1

      And another thing ... the most valuable thing Google has right now is not a huge market cap. It's loads and loads of data about human behavior. If all this data can be adequately processed, analyzed, organized, then Google will start building a system for deriving semantic meaning from unstructured data. That's the gold, there.

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  65. The gogol truth by soundproofing.noise · · Score: 0

    I found this project on freshmeat that seems to unveil what gogol is really all about? Googles dark secret

  66. You will know when the future has reached us... by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...when you search in google "how to reverse entropy", you press "i feel lucky" and the resulting web page only says "LET THERE BE LIGHT" (there is an interesting twist to the original asimov story in The last query, suspiciously related to google).

  67. Because that's boring. by argent · · Score: 1

    And We Who Will Be Google don't like being bored.

  68. Keyword Exchange Markets by nektra · · Score: 1

    Google may need to go to the keyword exchange market way to compete with future strong ads services.

  69. Flame out by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 1

    I turned down a job offer from them. Choice: Family or Google. That's what did it. Funny thing: It wasn't that great a raise and the stock options weren't as forthcoming as people tend to think. Just saying.

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  70. And that matters how? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

    There are tons of companies around the world that could spend a billion to build a datacenter and buy 100k 1u servers. Could be done in a few months, and where will the computing power advantage be then?

    The "xx k servers" thing is a _very_ slim advantage to have, as having them now without needing them makes them worthless (as in buying them later would have resulted in less operative cost and better machines for the same price laster), and _if_ the need them now for running operation, they are in no way assets you can use to power future fields of operation...

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  71. I'll say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those were some rather piss-poor arguments and boring predictions. I had hoped for something more realistic and interesting. How lame!

  72. Re:Google will replace US Mail/Cell / Telephones/M by barefootgenius · · Score: 1
    "Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

    The weakest link in this is useful and the reason the accessible information isn't useful is because either we don't know what we want to do or the information is not in our heads as experience.
    I would predict Google moving into the areas of human psychology and learning. Psycology to find what we want to do (or to give us something to do that will keep us happy) and learning to help us do it. A Googleversity would be a good start using marketing techniques to embed the subject matter in our brains then moving to instant access to the database (via brain implant) and finally access to anothers experience directly.

    The world in general will move to machine state. This has already started. If you think of glasses, then contacts, now we are starting to explore artificial sight. When that becomes better than normal sight people with no eye problems will start to move to them, etc, etc, etc...
    Much of the problems we have with the world are caused by our bodies. The reason we cannot travel freely in space is because of our bodies. We will evolve past this stage as soon as the pleasure we get from our bodies is outmoded by the pleasure we will get from being machines.

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  73. I think it's called allusion by noamsml · · Score: 1

    It certainly isn't the same story, and the chronologically former is famous enough to be alluded to.

  74. Google will fail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see. Google came from nowhere to this huge market cap in only 8 years. Impressive, but relatively easy to repeat. Better mouse traps are being made all the time. There's very little barrier to entry into the search market and Google proved this. A better search engine WILL come out.

    Google is showing signs of living beyond its means. It's expenses are out of control so we know it's not a financially disaplined company. Its fast and loose culture will continue to make it look a company with no consistent strategy or message.

    A few bad quarters will cause the stock to drop to some sane level, this is turn will cause it to lose its "best people" who will go to another rising start. I could go on and on. The point is history repeats itself.

  75. What makes you think we live in an ethical world? by elucido · · Score: 1

    If people with ethics leave Google, the result will be an even less ethical Google. Chinese will begin buying Google stock, and eventually Google will move to China.

    Think with your head for a moment, its not in anyones best interest to sell Google stock. Anyone in their right mind should buy and keep Google stock for as long as possible, and this goes for anyone in the tech industry, Chinese or American.

    If you want to sell your Google stock, all you'll do is make the stock price cheaper for the Chinese. In my opinion, as long as Google is profitable, and it's hiring mostly American workers, it's ethical enough to invest in. When they start outsourcing and are actually doing something major, thats when you sell your stock. I guess it depends on what you view as major, but I view outsourcing as a bigger problem than censorship. Censorship is everywhere, and while its nice to want a censor free world, Google is not powerful enough to take on the Chinese government on censorship, or any government, but certainly not the Chinese government.

  76. Where's the effects of energy in all this? by Scareduck · · Score: 1

    Google uses scads of servers, and it's getting so that the energy costs over their lifetimes will outweigh their acquisition costs. Take your pick of Peak {Oil, Uranium, Coal, Gas} scenarios, but Google may just run out of gas if it costs more to run those giga-server farms than they can haul in from AdWords revenue.

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  77. Epic was alot better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was thinking of that flash thing... it seemed alot better than what wolfran and company could drum up...

    that in itself is a wierd indicator that flash people may have a much greater influence on thought in the future... the Neil Ciegarra's (or however you spell his name)... those people may be the core of newmedia... which in itself could effect things like best director...

    Dunnknow, but Epic was much cooler...

  78. No meaningful assets??? by shinghei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you actually looked at their financial statements? They have close to $4B in their bank! Cash can be used to either acquire other companies or repurchase stock to reduce the number of outstanding shares. And their shareholder's equity has gone from $2.9B in 2004 to $9.4B. That's a three-fold increase! Google's stock price a year ago was at ~$200. Shouldn't it be worth more than $600 then?

  79. Recruitment procedure by jawahar · · Score: 1

    I think there is something terribly wrong with Google's hiring & interviewing process.

  80. in the year 2105... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...there is no wall street or internet. seriously.

    US wont last 50 years unless the country changes course radically.

    i am not bashing or attacking. merely stating my opinion. i hope i am wrong.

  81. What - No mention of Googlezon? by Paraplex · · Score: 1

    I thought we already knew the future of google??

  82. No, You're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The value of the stock is not the true value of the company. Don't be a fool. You think Buffet got rich by thinking like you?

    I will smash your head in if I ever see you in real life, you swarmy little shit.

    1. Re:No, You're wrong. by Moschaef · · Score: 0

      Warren Buffet got rich buy make correct predictions about the future value of a company. Future value and present value are not the same thing!

    2. Re:No, You're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Warren Buffett got rich by deciding that the market was under-valuing the *true* value of a company.

      In other words, the market got it wrong.

      Now shut up you slanty eyed little cock smoker.

  83. Funny? I was being serious by quokkapox · · Score: 1

    Why was this modded Funny? I'm serious, we're a lot more likely to see a small group of people with supercomputers at their fingertips leveraging technology to gain an overwhelming advantage over everyone else, than we are to see a strong AI suddenly appear out of nowhere. Or perhaps it will be an amalgamation of the two. Regardless we need to figure out how to detect such a thing. IMHO the ethical implications of disconnecting a self-aware AI from power and networking are important.

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  84. after the AI is born, it might be too late by kalirion · · Score: 1

    If the AI is superintelligent enough, you will not have the chance to disconnect it. Reminds me of the one page story Answer by Fredric Brown.

  85. BS by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
    I think the whole article is bullshit. And the Scenerio 4, Google is God, is incredibly ridiculous, about as ridiculous as thinking that Google will offer time-travel services.

    Other than that, predicting future is a particularly hard task, and in the IT world it's purely impossible to tell what's gonna happen 15 years from now. The problem with trying to imagine future, is that what you're gonna come up with is only going to be a projection of your present concerns. The perfect example to illustrate this is a movie from the 60's about a man from the late 19th century to a few years after the movie was done, where some nuclear WWIII was beginning, and then travelling much farther in time, to find a world annihilated by the WWIII and populated by brainless hippies.

    Just like if you try to imagine life in 2106, your concerns about global warming will surely appear, just because global warming seems like a problem that you couldn't avoid, just like a nuclear WWIII was something that was likely to happen anytime soon in the early 60's.

    That's the reason why I think TFA is total bullshit, and that it hardly contains any prediction that will happen.

    Trying to predict future is pointless, unless you are a great visionnary genius and gonna make million dollars off the shit you can imagine.

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    1. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scenerio 4 is ridiculous? I am a little bit surprised that you can't imagine an exponential growth of "smartness", if an AI is able to create an AI smarter than itself. So it's a possiblity. Not exactly as written there, but in principle. (I am talking only about this part, not about other predictions)

    2. Re:BS by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
      You see, there is such a thing as AI, like, when it comes to neural networks and stuff like that. In this domain, you definitly could see improvements over the years, and make stuff like OCR, voice recognition, language translation or video game AI better.

      But other than that, I don't think machines will ever read books, or will ever program computer programs (or they could, but to a very small extend I think).

      When Dyson says "We could construct a machine that is more intelligent than we can understand. It's possible Google is that kind of thing already. It scales so fast." I think his last statement is bullshit. As I said many times out here, a popular belief is that a large network of powerful computers is enough to see intelligence emerge. But it's full wrong. Intelligence cannot emerge without an appropriate algorithm, provided that there can be one. You can have the universe most powerful network, it will still only be good at doing what it's supposed to do, like crawling web pages for example.

      Maybe I went a bit too far by claiming that this part of TFA was completly ridiculous, but sitll, I maintain that imagining that intelligence will emerge from Google is ridiculous. You see, you often hear that by 2050 computers will be smarter than humans, I think it's BS, the reason for that is that now, you can't program something like a bug (understand an insect-like machine) that can walk around and avoid obstacles without programming it for walking around and avoidsing obstacles.

      See that's what "true" intelligence consists off, we and animals, even as simple as bugs, do things we were not programmed to do. Was my cat programmed to watch TV? Was some code in our DNA there to make us build technology so we could go to the moon, or make computers? Of course no, we and the animals do all these things because we are intelligent, we don't need to be programmed for playing violin to one day play violin.

      So the Google guys can make their computers read books, but the computers will only able to make off the information they read what they have been programmed for.

      The difference between our brains and computers is that in our brains, we are both the computer and the user

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