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Canadian Music Stars Fight Against DRM

An anonymous reader writes "Some of Canada's best known musicians, including Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin, Sum 41, and Barenaked Ladies, have formed a new copyright coalition. The artists say in a press release that they oppose file sharing lawsuits, the use of DRM, and DMCA-style legislation and that they want record labels to stop claiming that they represent their views."

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  2. For once by SirLestat · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am from Quebec and finally proud to be Canadian ! Way to go guys !

    1. Re:For once by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow! One Quebequoi that actually wants to be a Canadian! Now, if you could just convince the other 7,568,639 residents of Quebec that being Canadian isn't so bad, then we'd really have something!

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    2. Re:For once by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Funny

      What does Quebec have to do with Canada? :)

    3. Re:For once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but try getting some good poutine in Prague.

    4. Re:For once by Diabolus777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      read about our history.
      How we have been persecuted for years because of the languages differences.
      Read about how england tried to destroy the french after the colonial wars were over. See how our people were vanquished on the battlefields yet never conquered,
      all in the name of culture.

      Then you might get a glimpse of why we are so sensitive about languages.
      Of course, a tourist is not expected to know these things, and i think beign rude isn't the way to deal with this.

      We are not elitists, we are just outnumbered and we fight daily to keep ourselves from beign flooded. And we fight well enough to have a separatist party at the federal level.

      If you visit Québec, just try to mention you're a tourist. It makes all the difference on the reply you'll get if you don't speak french.

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    5. Re:For once by Arker · · Score: 5, Funny

      One Quebequoi that actually wants to be a Canadian!

      Sorry, Quebe-what?











      Oh, I slay myself.

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    6. Re:For once by Dlugar · · Score: 4, Informative

      I do believe you mean Québécois. And you missed the bilingual pun.

      HTH. HAND.
      Dlugar

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    7. Re:For once by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's right.

      As someone with an Antipodean accent, I was treated very well by Montrealers. It might have helped that I at least tried to use as much French as I had, and when people asked why, explained that this was Quebec and I didn't expect people to speak English. Like many non-English speakers, Quebecers get annoyed if people just expect them to speak English in their own country (or province in this case).

      It's a wonderful city. Along with Edinburgh it's one of my favourites.

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  3. Serious question by HeavensBlade23 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If Sarah McLachlan opposes DRM so much why did she have it on one of her CDs? As a matter of fact the CD I'm talking about was one of the Sony rootkit CDs.

    1. Re:Serious question by sinclair44 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may not have been her choice, or she may have not even known about it until it was too late. I imagine that the people in charge of such things don't really care what the artists think, as long as they get their piles money.

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    2. Re:Serious question by Xuranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You think she had any say so in her disc pressing process? She got to see the pretty pictures, the song selection, and well then the big wigs took over the rest.

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    3. Re:Serious question by salle_from_sweden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't it likely that she's in this coalition because her record company put a rootkit on her CD's without her knowing about it?

    4. Re:Serious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      BECAUSE SHE HAD NO SAY IN THE MATTER. She's a musician, do you think she's a bit-head like the rest of Slashdot? She makes the music and it probably came as a belated shock to her that her fans couldn't player her music on their computers.

      Jebus...did you read the article? Did you read the part about how they say that the record company does not represent their interests??

      Jesse Cook had the same problem. "Nomad" was released with full DRM bullshit without his knowledge or consent. His official forum was FILLED with anger about this, but it's not like he had a CHOICE. It was just DONE, end of story on all sides.

      It's the same story in the video game world. Remember when all that Cedilla-based copy protection started appearing in 1999, courtesy of Electronic Arts? It's not like the small game houses that depended upon EA had ANY SAY WHATSOEVER about this. EA was the publisher and EA said "Cedilla on every fucking disc." End of story.

      The publishing consortia have been pulling this shit for a LONG time and this kind of organized resistance by the artists has been LONG overdue (take note Metallica).

    5. Re:Serious question by c_forq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with this is once you start your new company your old label stops letting you perform everything you recorded while with them (not to mention that most hold heavy dept over you to keep you in their pocket). Trying to start anew is a an extremely risky proposal, especially if you have an established catalogue.

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    6. Re:Serious question by supertoad · · Score: 2, Informative

      yeah, just because the artists hate drm, doesn't mean they don't have to use it. i sent a nasty email to the trews, another canadian band, complaining about their new cd having mediamax. they sent me back a nice letter saying that they were just as pissed off about it as i was, and there was nothing they could do. sony put the drm on the cd at the last minute without telling them, and they had no say in the matter.

    7. Re:Serious question by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Public performing rights are a part of the publishing rights. Record companies do not generally hold those, but hold instead what are known as mechanical rights. You really have no idea what your talking about if you're contending that performance rights aren't a subset of the publisher's rights.

      Overwhelmingly, performance rights are covered by venues licensing repertory catalogs from publishers such as ASCAP. If you are in a band, and you do cover tunes at the local club, it's covered by such a blanket license that the club has taken out. Actually, you know so little about the subject that I think it's a stretch to say, "If you are in a band . . ." Let me start over. If you're drunk off your ass and mangling a song in a karaoke bar, it's covered by such a blanket license that the karaoke bar has taken out. Otherwise, you personally would probably owe the songwriter/publisher of the song you just destroyed (assuming they could even recognize it.

      I've had this explained to me on a number of occasions by people who work in entertainment law. I've tried to re-smart you by passing on the info, but if you insist on being retarded, that's your call.

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  4. repeat in america please.... by jollyroger1210 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why don't American artist replicate this type of coalition? We let Canada beat us!! Canada!

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    1. Re:repeat in america please.... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry, we've got contigency plans for this type of thing.

      Canada's low gun ownership rate will make the occupation much easier.

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    2. Re:repeat in america please.... by udowish · · Score: 5, Informative

      actually your are not correct. Canadians own more guns per capita than people from the US. Bring it on!

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    3. Re:repeat in america please.... by papal_authority · · Score: 2, Informative

      Canada has more long guns (e.g. hunting rifles), not handguns. It's a sleight of hand that NRA members trot out from time to time to make it seem that Canada is full of Uzi submachine guns and Colt .45s.

    4. Re:repeat in america please.... by S3pulchrav3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're talking about the war of 1812 right?

    5. Re:repeat in america please.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Amazingly enough, the reason we have more rifles than handguns is simple: handguns are pretty much useless against polar bears!

      Not a week goes by that I don't have to defend my igloo against a polar bear attack!

  5. My first guess. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That would be a question to ask Sarah McLachlan, and as far as I am aware, Sarah McLahlan does not read slashdot. If you ask the question here, she will not see it.

    However my guess would be that it is something along the lines of
    1. Her label did it, not her
    2. She is opposed to her label having done it, and
    3. This is why she is starting a public pressure group specifically designed to get her label to stop doing such things.
    Perhaps you will suggest that Sarah McLachlan should have used her leverage as an artist with the label to prevent them from engaging in such practices with her music at the time the CD was released. If you do this, I will laugh until I pass out from lack of oxygen.
    1. Re:My first guess. by AdamD1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You may be half right on some of those. It's important to note that "she" (McLachlan) is not the one actually starting it. However she is among the artists who support it.

      First: most of those artists are either on the Nettwerk label (McLachlan) or are managed or co-managed by Nettwerk (LaVigne, BNL, McLachlan, Raine Maida, Kreviazuk, Sum41). That makes it pretty obvious that two things are actually happening:

      1) The artists, while feeling pretty hosed about how much rampant downloading is still going on, are not so hard-hit by that action that they feel outraged.

      2) They do actually have some say about this since they are money-making artists on predominantly major-distributed labels.

      I think that second point is key. Every major label artist, by that I mean one signed directly to an international major label, featuring international mass distribution, has either remained silent about this issue or has been so outspoken against downloading in particular that they've greatly damaged their fanbase ([cough]Metallica[/cough].)

      Yes, most of these artists are on independent labels (biggest exceptions: Lavigne is on Arista, BNL are on Warner.) However that does not exclude them from major international distributorship (Nettwerk is distributed by EMI. Sloan is distributed by Sony / BMG. Most of the others have major distributors for their releases.) Whether you like Avril Lavigne's music or not, she is a top-five-selling artist who has joined this group of artists to make it known: she still doesn't agree with the tactics her major label is claiming to represent by suing her fans.

      If it were a smaller artist - say: Harvey Danger, who actually allowed full on torrent files of their album to be released with no restrictions whatsoever last year - the attention payed to that motive is slight, and the response is usually "Big deal, who's heard of them? What difference will that make?"

      I get the feeling that this is more likely a management / publishing mandate, with some artist buy-in. Nettwerk also handles or has a great deal to say about the publishing for all of these artists.

      Interesting development. Maybe we'll finally get the music industry that consumers actually want, instead of this cat and mouse crap. Anything that goes a step or two towards evening the playing field when it comes to this industry is definitely a good thing. The last thing we need (which we have now) is another five Nickelbacks getting mass airplay on radio and then hearing them and their label and agents complaining that sales are down strictly because of downloading.

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    2. Re:My first guess. by punkr0x · · Score: 2, Informative

      Plenty of major artists have been pro-downloading long before this group came along. A member of Switchfoot posted instruction on the band's message board describing how to circumvent the DRM scheme on their latest cd. The post was removed by Sony, but the cd was eventually recalled and published DRM free, because the copy protection scheme did not work properly. The Offspring were avid supporters of napster back when it was the big p2p network, and they joked about making their entire album available for download on their website before it was released in stores, which horrified their label at the time. This isn't the first time a major artist has taken the side of the consumer.

  6. It's a shame its too late for Sarah's last album by QX-Mat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I took it back to Woolworths the week I brought it. It skipped badly on my Sony Vaio - my computer is my audio rig, and with the speaks I had hooked up at the time, I certainly wanted it to stay that way.

    Just last week I saw the Sarah McLachlan DVD and thought, "stupid drm" and not about the artist. I will force myself to see her in a better light now, but if she's not touring near me, I can't exactly give her the money I want to (by buying her material) because although she's going the right away about things _now_, her cds on the shelf are still DRMed.

    In the end I was forced to I download Afterglow. I became a pirate because I couldnt experience the music on my, and on my creative zen.

    For an artist I discovered via napster a long time ago, this sure does suck. Are they trying to lock me out of the market, or really fence us into a no-rip-no-choice era? Either way I see it, when I can't use WhateverAMP and my mp3 player, they've lost me as a customer.

    Matt

  7. Re:Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, that represents about 80% of my beat-off fantasy time right there.

    No need to post as AC to admit that. Now, if you'd said Gordon Lightfoot and Bryan Adams on the other hand...

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  8. Missing Artist by kloffinger · · Score: 3, Funny

    TFA: "Canada's leading artists to speak for themselves."
    Yet there is no mention of Bryan Adams.
    What kind of a hoax is this?

    1. Re:Missing Artist by masdog · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't see Shatner's name on the list either.

  9. "Piracy" is good for the RIAA by javacowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was going to blog about this, but I'm feeling lazy tonight.

    First of all, like RMS, I hate applying the term "piracy" to non-commercial copyright violations, so I won't use that term. Instead, I'll call it what it is, unauthorized copying.

    Unauthorized copying is to the RIAA what "terrorism" is to the Bush Adminstration, namely, a scapegoat and a straw man argument with which to justify draconian legislation and to garner (barely) sufficient public support for any new legislation favoured by both institutions.

    As the Bush Adminstration maintains the conditions (ex: War on Iraq) to indirectly promote terrorism, it justifies renewing the Patriot Act on the basis that it will "help stop terrorism". To make a blatantly obvious statement, the goal of the Patriot Act does not in any way, shape, or form have anything whatsoever to do with stop terrorists, but is instead intended to grant the government the ability to further spy on and control its citizens.

    In the same vein, I believe that the RIAA wishes to maintain a certain level of unauthorized copying because it will allow them to justify legislation such as the DMCA and the broadcast flag. The goal of such legislation is not to eliminate or even substantially reduce unauthorized copying, but to maintain control over the industry and keep out fledging competitors, such as independent artists who would have otherwise been promoted through P2P, and to maintain their antiquated business models, which for all intents and purposes should have become obsolete.

    So, it's all an elaborate shell game on their part.

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  10. They don't believe so strongly as to walk away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    from their record contracts.

    Several of Sarah McLachlan's CDs are DRM'd:

    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004144.php
    http://hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/wiki/index.php /DRM

    (data unavailable for the other members, but it wouldn't surprise me), and almost all (Broken Social Scene and possibly a couple others being exceptions) are currently signed to RIAA/CRIA member labels. Most have released albums with those labels in the last couple years - i.e., since the campaign of lawsuits started.

    Put your money where your mouth is, folks.

  11. If I had a million dollars... by Stick_Fig · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...we wouldn't have to download torrents!"

    "But we would download torrents! In fact, we'd just download more!"

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    1. Re:If I had a million dollars... by stinerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Barenaked Ladies have a song that is called "If I had $1,000,000".

      Some of the lyrics of the song are:

      If I had $1,000,000, we wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner (aka macaroni and cheese)
      But we would still eat Kraft Dinner, we'd just eat more

      The only thing Canadian about it is the term "Kraft Dinner". AFAIK, macaroni and cheese is generically refered to as Kraft Dinner there.

    2. Re:If I had a million dollars... by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 2, Informative

      ARTIST: Barenaked Ladies
      TITLE: If I Had a Million Dollars

      If I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you a house - I would buy you a house
      And if I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      I'd buy you furniture for your house - maybe a nice chesterfield or an ottoman
      And if I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you a K-Car - a nice Reliant automobile
      And if I had a million dollars I'd buy your love

      If I had a million dollars
      I'd build a tree fort in our yard
      If I had a million dollars
      You could help, it wouldn't be that hard
      If I had a million dollars
      Maybe we could put like a little tiny fridge in there somewhere

      You know, we could just go up there and hang out. Like open the fridge and stuff. There would already be foods laid out for us, like little pre-wrapped sausages and things, mmm. They have pre-wrapped sausages but they don't have pre-wrapped bacon. Well, can you blame 'em? Uh, yeah!

      If I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you a fur coat - but not a real fur coat, that's cruel
      And if I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you an exotic pet - yep, like a llama or an emu
      And if I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you John Merrick's remains - ooh, all them crazy elephant bones
      And if I had a million dollars I'd buy your love

      If I had a million dollars
      We wouldn't have to walk to the store
      If I had a million dollars
      We'd take a limousine 'cause it costs more
      If I had a million dollars
      We wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner

      But we would eat Kraft Dinner. Of course we would, we'd just eat more. And buy really expensive ketchups with it. That's right, all the fanciest Dijon ketchups! Mmm. Mmm-hmm.

      If I had a million dollars - If I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you a green dress - but not a real green dress, that's cruel
      And if I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you some art - a Picasso or a Garfunkel
      If I had a million dollars - if I had a million dollars
      Well, I'd buy you a monkey - haven't you always wanted a monkey
      If I had a million dollars I'd buy your love

      If I had a million dollars, if I had a million dollars
      If I had a million dollars, if I had a million dollars
      If I had a million dollars, I'd be rich

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    3. Re:If I had a million dollars... by totoanihilation · · Score: 4, Informative
      AFAIK, macaroni and cheese is generically refered to as Kraft Dinner there.
      I wouldn't generalize so much. We call "Macaroni and Cheese" Macaroni and Cheese. It's only when one is excessively lazy and doesn't want to spend more than a buck and 2 minutes cooking a meal that he'll open a box of Kraft dinner. When people refer to Kraft dinners, they truly mean the Kraft brand, not some generic product.

      On a side note, Kraft dinners have many attributes, but tasting good isn't one of them. Mind you, they can serve as great thermal insulator for your garage.
  12. Re:Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nothing gets me hotter then listening to 'The Sinking of the Edmund Fitzgeral' sung by Bryan Adams.

    yikes.

    Gordon Lightfoot did the worse thing for his song that anyone could do. He bequethed it to the famil members of the men that dies.

    So now to get permission to use it, you half to tlak to dozens of people abut the worse day of their lives. Effectivly locking it up.

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  13. Re:That just shows by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> Avril Lavigne

    I don't know anything about the person or her music, but that name always sounds like a feminine hygiene product to me.

  14. Record companies smarter than they seem by AeroIllini · · Score: 4, Funny
    I think the record companies are blaming piracy because it's a solid business case.
    addDRM(music);
    switch (whatHappensAfter) {
      case "piracy goes down":
        println("See?! We TOLD you the evil pirates were stealing! DRM works!");
        addMoreDRM(music,movies,television,software);
        money++;
        break;
      case "piracy goes up":
        println("Ahh! They're stealing more to spite us! This is war!");
        addMoreDRM(music,movies,television,software);
        money++;
        break;
      case "piracy stays the same":
        println("Those filthy pirates will steal no matter what we do! We must make the DRM stronger!");
        addMoreDRM(music,movies,television,software);
        money++;
        break;
    }
    These artists just created a buffer overflow. Woo!
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    1. Re:Record companies smarter than they seem by HermanAB · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can optimize that;

      addDRM(music);
      switch (whatHappensAfter) {
          case "piracy goes down":
              println("See?! We TOLD you the evil pirates were stealing! DRM works!");
              break;
          case "piracy goes up":
              println("Ahh! They're stealing more to spite us! This is war!");
              break;
          case "piracy stays the same":
              println("Those filthy pirates will steal no matter what we do! We must make the DRM stronger!");
              break;
      }
      addMoreDRM(music,movies,television,software);
      money++;

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  15. Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's no surprise that Avril Lavigne would do something like this... given her huge punk heritage and following, her fans would definitely get pissed off and leave her negative® text messages if she didn't rebel.

    1. Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whoosh (the sound of a joke going over your head)

    2. Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... by houghi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah. Compare that to the middle aged men that Metallica has become. Supose they only play for middle management now.

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    3. Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow... you don't say? Here is another Wikipedia page I think you may be interested in:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

      Cheers

    4. Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... by brian0918 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Are you fucking kidding me?"

      Yes, I was. You didn't get the joke. Next time, read the rest of the post, and check for sarcasm.

  16. Convictions that Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's what these artists are saying...

    On DRM: "Consumers should be able to transfer the music they buy to other formats under a right of fair use, without having to pay twice."

    On P2P file sharing: "Fans who share music are not thieves or pirates. Sharing music has been happening for decades."

    On DMCA "the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act is one of the world's most draconian pieces of intellectual-property law."

    On Lawsuits: "Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical. We do not want to sue our fans. The labels have been suing our fans against our will, and laws enabling these suits cannot be justified in our names."

    Members include: Sum 41, Blue Rodeo, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlan, Our Lady Peace and Sloan to name a few.

  17. Re:They don't believe so strongly as to walk away. by BobNET · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know about the other artists but BNL's contract with Reprise Records expired in 2003. Technically they're independent (again), although the records are still being distributed by Warner.

    And there's no sign of DRM on 2004's Barenaked For The Holidays. That's the album that was re-released on a USB key full of DRM unencumbered (but still lossy) MP3s last year...

  18. Excellent news by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It looks like at least a few artists have come to realize that the music industry cartel's stand on DRM is not helpful to artists. If they can get more artists on the bandwagon, they may be able to influence the debate. It's a helluva lot more difficult for the labels to convince people that DRM "helps artists" when the artists themselves are against it.

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    1. Re:Excellent news by courtarro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The RIAA will probably just fight this by claiming the artists don't understand economics and don't realize the RIAA is helping them. The RIAA will always have a larger propaganda machine than the artists - a propaganda machine used against them but powered by their own blood; the only way to solve the problem in the long term is for new artists to keep their work out of the hands of RIAA-based labels. Only then will the RIAA lose its power.

  19. Broken Social Scene - their action by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Their last ("You forgot it in people") album had a limited initial run with the copy protection. When the band found out they put a stop to it. See this link for an interview excerpt. Mind you, they're the biggest act on Arts&Crafts' label so that probably had a huge influence too.

    I actually bought the copy-protected one (which wasn't labeled as such) and the label offered to replace it. HMV wouldn't.

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  20. [Hero] by daeg · · Score: 2

    If there ever was a use for Fark's tags on Slashdot, this is one that deserves a big spankin [Hero] tag.

  21. Legal Download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or you could have gone to https://www.werkshop.com/sarahmp3/index.jsp where you can purchase a few of her cds in mp3 or flac format and avoided DRM altogether.

  22. Argh - the link by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 2
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  23. Re:Correction by BobNET · · Score: 2, Informative
    Some of 1990's greatest rejects.

    Shows how much you know. Avril Lavigne didn't even release her first album until 2002...

  24. Barenaked ladies changing foot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Re:Barenaked ladies changing foot? by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Funny

      * Hoping to foil the swapping of her American Life album, Madonna created full-length decoy files that contained a few seconds of music and the message, "What the (expletive) do you think you're doing?" Some downloaders responded by sampling the rant and creating their own music tracks around it.

      Bwahahaha, leave it to pirates to illegally remix an antipiracy track ;^)

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  25. Great! by imadork · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's almost enough to forgive them for inflicting Celine Dion on us....

    1. Re:Great! by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah it's unthinkable that she is one of the most popular shows in Vegas, and that millions of people who adore her singing have bought millions of her albums.

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    2. Re:Great! by Darwin_Frog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now, now. The Canadian government has apologized for Celine Dion on several occasions.

  26. Hypocrisy with Barenaked Ladies? by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 4, Informative

    From this article. I remember reading this in the Toronto Star as well, which I haven't forgotten since:


    The Barenaked Ladies' Ed Robertson also wades in with, "I'm totally fine with people downloading music, as long as they steal everything that they want. If you want pants, go steal them. If you need gas in your car, you should steal it, because you can. As long as people are consistent I don't have a problem. As long as they see themselves as thieves in general then I don't mind if they steal everything that they like. But it irks me that it's only okay to steal music."


    So at least one of them is against sharing/downloading.

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    1. Re:Hypocrisy with Barenaked Ladies? by seasleepy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This was when the band was still on contract to Warner/Elektra/etc. They've since fulfilled that, and since then all their statements have been essentially the opposite.

      The press release names Steven Page (the other lead singer of BNL) as the contact, so I think this is actually their baby.

    2. Re:Hypocrisy with Barenaked Ladies? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So at least one of them is against sharing/downloading.

      Actually, they could all be against sharing and downloading: nothing in their stance says "we think it's OK for you to download music without paying for it." What they've said is that they think the RIAA lawsuits are wrong, which is a totally separate issue from whether you think downloading music is morally wrong or right in the first place.

      You can still be an artist, and dislike it when people steal your music, but think that the RIAA has gone way too far. Likewise, I'm against shoplifting but I wouldn't want them to start chopping people's hands off for it; I can be against chopping people's hands off and still be "anti shoplifting."

      The black and white attitude where anyone who's anti-RIAA or anti-lawsuits is automatically pro-filesharing is just what the RIAA would like you to believe. It's an automatic "with us or against us." I'm not necessarily saying that you said that, but I think a lot of people make that assumption and I was just taking your comment as an opportunity to clear it up.

      Just because somebody hates the RIAA/MPAA doesn't mean they think it's necessarily right to just go on Kazaa/BitTorrent and download stuff without somehow compensating the artists for it.

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    3. Re:Hypocrisy with Barenaked Ladies? by Aidski · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hypocrisy? Hell no.

      They don't want DRMed crap being sold in their names, that's not the same as the group wanting people to pirate their music. Any musician in their right mind doesn't want people pirating their music... but any musician that respects their fans (and BNL is a great example of such a group) wouldn't want DRMed shit limiting their fans' listening experience, either.

  27. write to them and say thank you by Frag-A-Muffin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just sent them a short email thanking them for understanding that their fans are mostly NOT thieves. Is it any wonder that I in fact already own most of the CDs from most of the artists in that coalition?

    Proud to be a Canadian today.

    P.S. I especially like what's on their front page as the #1 bullet:

    1. Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical

    Well duh?! When was that last time you saw a successful business model where you sue the pants out of your customers? :)

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    1. Re:write to them and say thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      When was that last time you saw a successful business model where you sue the pants out of your customers? :)

      Well if you were in the business of selling more pants ..

    2. Re:write to them and say thank you by ozbird · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I said successful! Not dismal. :)

      It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it depends on your measure of success.
      The litigious bastards still exist - years after they should have died a horrible death. Their stock price has actually increased by 20% in the last six months (from roughly $4 to $5 per share); 40% if you measure the extremes of the price range for the same period. Their legal action against IBM is still grinding its way through the court system despite little, if any, sign of having a case. That's a success, even if ultimately futile.

  28. Re:It's a shame its too late for Sarah's last albu by Animaether · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's funny... you love her music, and you wanted it, so you went out and bought it - came home, found that the DRM killed the experience, and...

    returned the product and pirated it instead.

    That's funny, because you could also just as well have pirated it without returning the product - that way you'd still be supporting the artist (in a very small way, and yes - you'd also be supporting the label, the drm guys, the shop owner, the guy driving the truck with packages of CDs/DVDs, etc.). All in all, though, nobody really forced you to truly pirate.

    Also, you say they have lost you as a customer - that's a good definition, as they didn't lose you as a consumer. You still get to enjoy the end-result of people's work, without rewarding them in the way they have chosen to be wanting to be rewarded (i.e. $$$).

    The sibling poster was right - could've bought it legit in a reasonable online store if you really, really felt strongly about returning the DRM-crippled CD/DVD.

    Just my 2cts..

  29. Avril Lavigne? Sum 41? by volfro · · Score: 5, Funny

    I suppose the title uses the term "music" loosely.

  30. Re:well duh by rikkards · · Score: 5, Funny
    Avril Lavigne? So we have Canada to blame for this pox. First Celine and now Avril. C'mon Canada, what the hell did we ever do to you? Well, other than that lil' Southpark song thingie... Please, for the love of humanity, take her back and freaking keep her. Perhaps there should be DRM up there. It should keep Avril Lavigne songs from being played anywhere but within the Canadian borders and at the same time prevent any music but hers from playing within the Canadian boarders. That'll teach 'em!


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  31. Canada: Indie Music Explosion by ironring2006 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's nice to see some of the big names in the Canadian Music Industry stick up and fight for this. Although, the big thing in music right now, at least among my demographic (University Student) is an explosion in the indie music genre. We are the generation that was just discovering music during the hey day of Napster searching for all the stuff we saw on MuchMusic and on the local radio. We're tech savvy enough to seek out alternate sources of music. We're the ones that really do fill up those 60GB iPods.

    And you know what we're filling them with? Some of the most popular bands among my friends have been The Arcade Fire, Death From Above 1979, Controller Controllor, Broken Social Scene, Hawksley Workman, Joel Plaskett Emergency, Jimmy Swift Band, Matt Mays, and countless others. Many of them allow their live shows to be traded on etree.

    You want to know why these groups are popular? They tour a lot, play a lot of gigs, put on great live shows and are overall in it for the music and the fans. We've identified with the artists that put the music before the money and appreciate the innovative sounds and artistic views that they bring.

    The true Canadian music scene is alive and prospering already without the help of the major music labels, with or without all their evil tactics. Anyway, at the very least, just check out these bands!

  32. Same Group of Do-Gooders... by ablair · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seems like the usual suspects fighting on the side of consumer rights again. This isn't the first time the growing artistic community around Nettwerk Music Group has attempted to make an impact, even the Nettwerk CEO saying "Litigation is destructive, it must stop .... as per Nettwerk copyrights, we have never sued anybody and all our music is open source to encourage fans to share it with others and help us promote our Artists. As per those Artists we manage on other labels (Majors), we take issue with those labels claiming that litigating our fans is in our interest, as it clearly is not."

    None of the major labels would dare utter sacrilege like this. But to be fair, in Canada even the Recording Industry Association (CRIA) is not as virulent as it's ugly cousin to the south. They moderate their message somewhat with more honesty, for example recently releaseing a study showing:

    CRIA's own research now concludes that P2P downloading constitutes less than one-third of the music on downloaders' computers, that P2P users frequently try music on P2P services before they buy, that the largest P2P downloader demographic is also the largest music buying demographic, and that reduced purchasing has little to do with the availability of music on P2P services.
    (words of Prof. Michael Geist, University of Ottawa)

  33. Barenaked Ladies - Tech Savvy guys by Phishcast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is kind of off topic, but it's fresh in my mind. I just got back to my hotel from the EMC World conference in Boston where the Barenaked Ladies were tonight's entertainment. The skinny lead singer guy was talking about how the band was like-minded with the technical crowd. He said, "I've got Windows XP running on my Macbook with an Intel Pro Duo processor". He said it was only so he could update his GPS. That comment got a lot of applause. The wider guy mentioned ethernet and how it was really just tiny pneumatic tubes like at the drive-up bank teller. They were pretty funny guys.

  34. Re:well duh by Meagermanx · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and with those words, the great Slashdot Canada/USA Music Flamewar of '06 broke out. It was truly the "post read 'round the world."

  35. Good.. Let me see walk their talk... by zafayar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is all great. What I would really like to see is, these artists stands up for this when they are at the negotiation table with the recording companies for their next album. Lets see how much of their dislike for DRM remains on their pay day. Lets see them walk their talk.

  36. Mod parent up. by weston · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Understanding this is key. BNL is known for trying other tactics to *persuade* fans to buy their stuff, rather than retaliation via lawsuit, and it's exactly this distinction that much of the music industry seems to be missing at the moment.

  37. Re:It's a shame its too late for Sarah's last albu by ArtDent · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a previous poster already pointed out, Nettwerk's own Werkshop sells unencumbered MP3s for $0.99 per track, or $9.99 per album. Lossless FLACs are also available for $10.99 per album and, in some cases, $1.09 per track.

    They also sell the Canadian, Nettwerk releases of her CDs, which carry no DRM.

  38. Re:well duh by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...and with those words, the great Slashdot Canada/USA Music Flamewar of '06 broke out. It was truly the "post read 'round the world."
    As a result, Ponies everywhere were found alone, disheveled and crying because their owners left in order to defend Avril from the most heinous Chuqmystr.
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  39. Re:rush by Physician · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunately Rush Limbaugh is only one man. However, I had no idea that he was in a rock band in an earlier life. I'm kind of surprised. :)

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  40. Re:well duh by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny
    Avril Lavigne? So we have Canada to blame for this pox. First Celine and now Avril. C'mon Canada, what the hell did we ever do to you? Well, other than that lil' Southpark song thingie...

    The Partridge Family. Full House. Mini Pops. Ricky Martin. Bob Barker. Fox News. Everybody loves Raymond. McDonalds. American Idol. Oprah (and Dr. Phil). Paris Hilton. That Kato guy. The list goes on ...

    We exported Celine Dion and Avril Lavigne to see if you'd get the joke. People keep buying tickets, so apparently not.

    Oh, and BTW, you can keep Howie Mandell and Alex Trebeck too. We want Shatner back though. ;-)
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  41. Re:It's a shame its too late for Sarah's last albu by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's funny, because you could also just as well have pirated it without returning the product
    But if he did that, the distributor and the artist would just assume that he doesn't mind DRM'ed music (or at least, not enough to stop him from giving them money). No, what he did was exactly the right thing to do: it sends a clear message (in form of lost profits) to everyone involved in production of that album that DRM is considered an unacceptable "feature" by at least one of their customers.
  42. CRIA and RIAA by macdaddy357 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CRIA stands for Canadian Recording Industry Association. RIAA stands for Recording Industry Association of America. No "A" in either group's acronym stands for artists. I am glad they are finally forming organizations of their own. Boycott the big labels!

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  43. Re:Publicity stunt by ArtDent · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, I'd expect that when some of the biggest names in Canadian music speak, the Ministry of Canadian Heritage might just listen. They're about to embark on another attempt to come up with a somewhat less objectionable version of the DMCA, spurred on by lobbyists from the big American record labels.

    This isn't about convincing the labels. It'sz about ensuring that the government hears the other viewpoint.

  44. Re:They don't believe so strongly as to walk away. by staticsage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You see, it's not that easy.

    When they sign these record contracts, they are at the will of the label, and not the other way around. The label invests money in them, and oftentimes give advances to the artists. Artists are obligated to fulfill the terms of their contracts, and they can't just "walk away" from their record contracts.

  45. Re:well duh by bhirsch · · Score: 2, Funny

    We generally don't tend to riot against the democratic process here.

  46. Re:well duh by bhirsch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course I am being sarcastic. We all know that Haliburton, at Dick Cheney's command, used stolen CIA time travel technology to go back and rig the election. That's a given.

  47. Just getting back from Asia by Allnighterking · · Score: 4, Informative

    And noting one thing. (I was shown by a tech friend over there) that the locally pirated copies of DVD's and CD's for sale were DRM protected using the exact same protection as the original. You see when you do a bit for bit copy you get an exact copy. DRM only prevents fair use it doesn't even come close to slowing down the back alley black market.

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    1. Re:Just getting back from Asia by Alsee · · Score: 2, Informative

      IIRC, you cannot do a bit-for-bit copy of a DRM'd disk

      False.

      Common consumer CD-R and DVD-R hardware often run into a number of limitations, as they are only designed to burn "proper" within-the-specification disks... and those limitations and specification compliances are then used as the basis of DRM schemes, but hardware for pressing CDs and DVDs (as opposed to CD-Rs and DVD-Rs) are perfectly capable of pressing any possible bit pattern. That can and do produce a perfect bit-for-bit copy of anything.

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  48. Re:well duh by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That's not entirely true. It depends on what method was used to determine whether a poorly-punched ballot was punched or not. If memory serves, the counting method that Al Gore wanted caused Bush to win, while the method Bush wanted had Al Gore winning.

    You want to talk about f*cked up.... The conclusion I came to was that the public were the only losers... to the tune of a ridiculous sum of money.

    Of course, we won't even bring up the rather odd discrepancies in counting resulting from Diebold Systems' electronic voting in which thousands of votes in Florida were mysteriously appearing and disappearing in ways that were never adequately explained. Don't get me started on how totally botched the 2000 elections were. 2004 was just as bad, if not worse.

    Now Hanlon's Razor would say, "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." So I'm not saying that the votes were rigged. I'm just saying that there is plenty of reason to be suspicious, and that in the next election, citizens of the U.S. should demand better oversight over the electoral process.

    To get us back on topic, though... yeah, DRM bad, Celine Dion worse, Lars Ulrich clueless. That pretty much sum it up? :-)

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  49. No it's not by MochaMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    How is this not just a publicity stunt? If they have so many artists, they should start their own label.

    Yeah that's a good idea... these people Sarah McLaghlan, the Barenaked Ladies, and others could start a label and call it Nettwerk or something. Except it seems like some other chick names Sarah McLachlan and some other band called the Barenaked Ladies already did.

  50. Bout time, I like the speeding ticket idea by KIDputer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bout time somebody without bazillions has a say. Makes sense why come down hard on the fans. I say just make downloaders pay $50 fines when caught. Like speeding tickets. You can NEVER stop people from speeding or downloading p2p, but you can give them a little fine to make them be more cautious. Plus paying $50 from time to time is not big deal. It is not what Shawn Fanning had in mind, but it can work. Paying $5000 for a hard disk with a few hundred songs of music is just insane, and makes people like me ready for a full out boycott. I have not purchased a single CD since they shut Napster down. Poor RIAA dudes don't even know there is a boycott going on, they think illegal downloads are the cause for stale sales. Mostly, I find it ironic and moronic that the record lables laughed in Shawn Fanning's face when he mentioned $5/mo. for unlimmited downloads, and now this is a reality at Yahoo, that's crap. Things like this should not happen. Shawn Fanning was the founder of P2P and he should be as rich as Bill Gates for pioneering a technology, not abused and left out to dry. The RIAA and all supporters of Nazi DRM deserve whats coming to them. Best bet is to BOYCOTT, BOTCOTT, BOYCOTT until this "fair use" deal is resolved in a manner that is acceptable to ALL.

  51. Re:Three cheers by Nondescrypt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having Access to information is "theft"... ...while dumping 180 litres into your Hummer H2 while munching on a big mac grown
    in a field that USED to be amazon rainforest is "your fundamental right"
    in our free market dream-land...

    you don't think hoisting that flag of yours is rationalising your Theft ??

  52. AMERICA FTW! by Shihar · · Score: 5, Funny

    The American have a secret weapon though. We will enter one of your clean cities fully armed and then when confronted we will start to litter. As you Canadians desperately try to pick up our empty cans of shitty American beer and bring them to a recycling station you will be completely vulnerable to our cop killing FMJ semi-automatic assault rifles, grotesquely large hand guns, and the odd red neck wielding a bazooka or machine gun that he bought before they were made illegal.

    Canadians fleeing to the recycling station with shitty American beer cans in hand will be easy picking off by our highly skilled red neck population. While our gansta/thug population might be a little questionable in their aim, they will make up for it with round output and shear enthusiasm at being given the chance to bust a cap in yo cracker ass. To the Canadians defense though, our skinny white guy wanna be rappers from the 'burbs will likely take out a few Americans as they hold guns bigger then their head sideways and shoot like fucking retards.

    We will send then send in the upper middle suburban punks dressed in 200+ dollar outfits of pre-ripped black jeans, black shirts with an obscure band on it, and metal studs randomly glued on to their clothing to clean up the mess. They will hunt down the surviving Canadians in a desperate attempt to retrieve the empty cans of shitty American beer in the hopes of draining the last drops of swill that might be left at the bottom of the can. The wrist scarred (across the street style, not down the highway) teenaged girls , feminine teenaged guys, and sketchy 40 year old men goths at that point will come out to add insult to injury by read shitty poetry about death and try to one up each other by doing grotesque things to the corpses.

    Have no fear though, us Americans are not without compassion and mercy. We will blast some shitty (is there any other type?) emo music over the battlefield and send the emo kids out. They will promptly start to cry. True, they are crying at the memory of their long lost sixth grade girlfriend and lamenting at the difficulty of their inhumanly difficult life living in suburban America, but we can pretend they are crying for lost Canadian souls.

    Oh hell, what is a little karma. At least I amuse myself.

  53. Re:AMERICA FTW! : CANADIAN RESPONSE by erbmjw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ha ha silly Americans! You think that by dropping shitty American empty beer cans on our pristine cities and heavenly nature reserves that we Canadians will respond with a recycling program ... well then, you should have picked plastic as your litter of choice!

    The mere sight of crappy American beer cans {empty or not} brings out the deeply cherished Canadian Hockey Fan in every person who has spent at least one hockey season in Canada.

    Sticks will appear {seemingly from nowhere}, pucks will fly faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a speeding locomotive {yeah the big "S" was invented in Canada}, and to add insult to injury skate blades will be used to run over your multitudes, twitching, soon to be remains.

    After this induced frenzy has calmed, we Canadains will then politley bandaged any surviving Americans {not many}, administer Tim Horton's coffee and donuts to stablize them, and return them to their home state for medical care.

    On the bright side though, the American emo kids will still be there to cry over your remains - primarily because we Canadains are polite and so don't pick on the whiners. Oh that and we'll need the emo kids to carry the empty American beer cans back across the border!

    Both your and my karma are now rapidly dropping, but at least you amused me!

    :)

  54. Effectiveness of measures by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I understand the sentiments of people objecting to DRM or PATRIOT, but claims that these measures won't work are unsubstantiated . They WILL give the immediate result they intended. The problem is that those measures will give many side effects discussed here many times.

    Brutality is very effective.

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    1. Re:Effectiveness of measures by MooUK · · Score: 2, Informative

      In many cases, the DRM will NOT do as intended. Those who wished to download the music or rip it and share it will still find some way to do so, and a considerable number won't buy it if it has the more restrictive forms of DRM on.

      So where does it have the intended effect again?

  55. People in glasshouses by Pale+Dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People who lives in glasshouses should f*** in the basement

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  56. Re:well duh by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I will not admit that they are programmed to discard votes for Democrats or in any way systematically favor Republicans.

    Whether you beleive it or not isn't the issue. The issue is that we shouldn't have to take it on FAITH that the voting process isn't being screwed with with those machines.

    No democracy is safe from tampering if the voting process isn't open, if the voters can't be genuinely assured their votes are being counted properly. Otherwise the whole thing is a farce. Even if the "mistakes" were "innocent".

    As for DRM, I honestly don't give a shit. I am a reasonably strong supporter of a free market economy, and if some company wants to sell me music that I can't copy, then so be it.

    DRM and DMCA have nothing to do with the free market, and everything to do with *control*. Who owns your computer and its contents? Who controls it? Who has the right to run programs on it? Who has the right to choose not to run programs on it? Who has the right to decide the program can refuse to run if you own certain other programs?

    It used to be *you*. DRM/DMCA have transferred those rights to external corporations, in the name of "protecting their assets".

    Start down this slippery slope and its only a matter of time before your car dealership will have the legal right to come into your house and tow your car in for its regular maintenance, and while doing so they will check the onboard computer to see if its been driven over the limit and report you to the police and your insurance company, they will also log your driving habits, and will demand additional fees if you drove it more than 6000 miles since their last inspection, even though you "own" the vehicle; finally they will have the right to search your house and refuse to release your car back into your possession if they discover you have tools that would be capable of modifying the car in anyway, especially its logging and reporting functions, or even just capable of performing the oil change at home. (Which may be "unsafe", as you are not a factory certified technician).

    Or perhaps next time you enter the mall you will be asked for identification papers, not from the government, but from the merchants association representing the mall, to ensure the safety of their employees and security of their property. They'll also reserve the right to search your person, and require you to have a microchip implant... and anyone that refuses to submit will be tagged and reported to the police as a likely criminal, or perhaps "terrorist".

    Of course, you could choose not to buy those cars, or shop at these malls, or from members of these "merchants associations"...

    To that I say "Good luck with that". I expect you'll be as successful with that as finding cable providers with commercial free content...

    Frankly, I think these celebrities are a bunch of attention-whoring narcissists who want people to care more about this crap then they honestly should.

    Frankly I think DRM/DMCA is FAR more important than most of the things celeb's protest about, and one of the few things they protest about that actually impacts them directly.

  57. Re:well duh by Gorshkov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a big difference between a clusterfuck and a conspiracy. What I've never been able to get over is people's inability to differentiate between the two.

  58. Piracy = Live Music. Lots of it. by igb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Something I've not seen pointed out is the huge rise in the amount of touring by `established' acts. Take, as a random example, Jackson Browne. I think I've seen most of his European tours since the early 80s, and they were pretty thin on the ground. But I've seen him play pretty well annually for the last three or four years. Emmylou is touring with Mark Knopfler in June, but she's playing Cambridge Folk Festival in July as well. Every artist I'm interested in, from pub to arenas, is touring far more than they were in the 90s. My conclusion? No longer do album sales underwrite touring, but touring is the main source of income. Impossible to pirate, solid income. Probably good for music fans, probably fun for the artists, who loses?

    And it means that artists who can't cut the mustard on stage go to the wall. Which is a bad thing because...

    ian

  59. Quebec has a chip on its shoulder by SerpentMage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok dude... Just because the English tried to eradicate the French 300 years ago does not mean everybody is out to get you! I have lived in Quebec, married a Quebecer, and now live in Europe, in a small country that has managed to live quite well with four languages (Switzerland).

    The Quebec people need to take a downer! And Quebecers need to realize that the union they seek a'la EU would actually take away rights that they have now. The EU looks like a rag-tag bunch of countries, but in fact there are many common laws and rights. You just don't hear about it. If you want to know about the EU common laws ask a Brit and they will cry you a river of regulations.

    Now about being outnumbered and being flooded. Oh give me a break that is an overused argument. In Europe there are countries that have less people than Quebec (Luxembourg) and yet have no problem in keep their culture and identity.

    The problem that I see with Quebec is that they have a chip on their shoulder and keep feeling sorry for themselves. They need to get over it. For example, we all know how the French of France are "Vive la France". Yet when there is a stop sign in France it says ... STOP ... What does a stop sign say in Quebec? Hmmm, could it be stop? No that would be too easy. It says Arret, which is stop in French. Right there you see that Quebec has a chip on its shoulder.

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  60. Re:well duh by somersault · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Frankly, I think these celebrities are a bunch of attention-whoring narcissists who want people to care more about this crap then they honestly should."

    You'd have to apply that to most slashdot posters also. DRM just 'feels' wrong, though if it is only stopping you from doing something illegal, then really it's not bad. Giving other people music which they've not bought is wrong, though I and many people do it sometimes.. I dont think DRM should have to be necessary though, and I dont have a problem with sharing CDs with friends etc, though if it means that the artist makes less money, that's a shame (though it seems to be the record companies screwing over the artists rather than the public). It's maybe something that shouldnt be such a big deal as it has now become, but it's also something that we shouldnt just let continue without making sure they're not going 'too far' with it etc. I like to play games, but I get fed up if they need me to swap a CD every time I want to play that game (and in some cases have chosen not to play a game just because I didnt want to swap out a CD :s ). When copy protection stuff starts to get in the way of normal usage, then I think it's actually going to force people to start using illegal methods to play their music/games (I certainly would rather download a crack for my legally bought game so that I dont have to find a CD to put in the drive). These 'celebrities' are just people too, and they probably have the same problems with DRM as us.

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  61. Re:well duh by chrismcdirty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blame Mexico for Ricky Martin. He was in Menudo long before he regained popularity in the 90s.

    And you can have Shatner back if we can keep Evangeline Lilly and Elisha Cuthbert. Deal?

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  62. Re:well duh by Mo+Bedda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you content that the Diebold voting machines are programmed in a way that makes them favor Republicans over Democrats?

    That is really beside the point. The fact that they make wholesale tampering so much easier and so less traceable. When Diebold comes in and "upgrades" the machines with un-certified code before an election, they could really hand the election to whomever they wanted. Is this a good situation as long as they hand the election to the highest bidder or the candidate least likely to regulate voting machines?

    Actually, a government law that obligates a company to change how they do business is anti-free market. All the DMCA does is give formal protection to DRM software that precedent normally gave them anyway.

    The DMCA very much obligates companies to change how they do business. The DMCA was needed because these controls were not at all supported by precedent. If I wanted to evaluate wall safes, I could buy a bunch and try to break into them. While the DMCA can't currently prevent me from trying, it can certainly prevent me from sharing my findings.

    By your definition, all IP, and really all law in general, is anti-free market.

    At any rate, you've been quite thoroughly convinced that copy protected music will lead a multitude of other things. Is there anything other than speculation to back any of those up, or is it just hyper-paranoia?

    You obviously haven't been paying close attention. DRM is already extending much further than music. The DMCA has already prompted law suites in areas such as printer catrideges and garage door openers. Trusted computing has a lot of potential change how computers can be used.

  63. Bob Barker?!? by Deagol · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The fight scene in Happy Gilmore was well worth the many, many years of "The Price is Right" and simulated-fur announcements in "Miss USA" pagents of yesteryear.

    Now, if we could get Bob Barker, William Shatner, Pat Sajack, and Richard Dawson in a tag-team, caged death match... That would be worth paying to see. :)

  64. Re:well duh by ma0sm · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Arcade Fire, Broken Social Scene, Stars, Feist, Most Serene Republic, Tapes N Tapes, Rufus Wainwright, Metric, The New Pornographers, Destroyer, Belle Orchestre, The Unicorns, Wolf Parade, Islands, The Stills, Death From Above 1979...

    I personally think Canada seems to be producing more interesting music than both America and the UK at the moment, you've just got to know where to look.