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Engine On a Chip May Beat the Battery

Krishna Dagli writes, "MIT researchers are putting a tiny gas-turbine engine inside a silicon chip about the size of a quarter. The resulting device could run 10 times longer than a battery of the same weight, powering laptops, cell phones, radios, and other electronic devices." From the article: "All the parts work. We're now trying to get them all to work on the same day on the same lab bench." The goal is to do that by the end of the year.

321 comments

  1. I wonder how safe they will be? by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Turbine blades, made of low-defect, high-strength microfabricated materials, spin at 20,000 revolutions per second -- 100 times faster than those in jet engines.


    And you thought a hot battery in your lap was scary.

    1. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by allfunandgames · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah really...I'd like to know where the gas tank will go. "Honey, I'm going down to the gas station to fill up my laptop!" :P

    2. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Actually, since they're using a microcarburetor instead of a microfuel injector, I can see a whole new service industry coming from this: "Honey, I need to get some work done so I'm going down to the Internet Bar for a while". The same business could serve your Wi-Fi, your favorite microbrew, and run your laptop on shots of whiskey.

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    3. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Moby+Cock · · Score: 1

      And...Beware the dangers of Second-Hand Computing.

    4. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      20,000/100 = 200

      Jet engines spin at 200 RPM?

      And we thought bad math on unmanned mars probes was scary. Hope this guy is sticking with journalism.

    5. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ummm... that was 20,000 RPS not RPM

    6. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      oops

      At least I scimmed TFA before posting an ignorant, unimformed comment.

    7. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you mean by "Jet engine". Small gas turbines can spin at 20,000 RPM no problem. Do the fans on the 777 spin at 20,000 RPM? No, but just because it is small does not mean it is any less a jet engine. Jet Engine can be any of the following: Zero bypass gas turbine, low bypass gas turbine, RAM propulsion, SCRAM propulsion, even turbo fans, prop fans ect. are all powered by gas turbines which can be considered "jets"

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    8. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by cosmicj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yeah, what happends when the ballbearings wear out??

    9. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Xymor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lasers and turbines on chips? I think this is an elaborate plan to make deadly military level pc components. With the detection of non-drm'd media, the chip will eject, fly close to you and shoot you in the face. It's the next level after "Trusted Computing", "Feared Computing".

    10. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by x2A · · Score: 1

      "And you thought a hot battery in your lap was scary"

      No, but I did think it was a PITA having to quickly plug into a wall socket as my laptop's about to put itself to sleep when the battery's getting low... now I'm gonna have to jump in the car to buy some fuel! I could syphon out of the car, but that's a bad habit to get into, which could lead to me finding myself having to /cycle/ to get some fuel for the car /and/ the laptop!

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    11. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by srk2040 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd be impressed if these guys can rig up a setup that collect methane as fuel for the turbine. Imainge every small appliance running on your fart. Now that would be Nobel worthy.

    12. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Everclear, or even 120 rum would be better than whiskey. (Some states won't allow Everclear to be sold. 90+% grain neutral spirits.)

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    13. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not a terribly bad idea, but...

      On this scale impurities would REALLY gum up the works...so I expect that you'd need to put it through a lot of post-processing before you could use it.

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    14. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Great! Now my shopping list will boil down to one item to power me and my computer!

    15. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Sillygates · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many hours per gallon this will be....maybe some laptops will recieve ULEL (Ultra Low Emmissions Laptop)?

      Even then I wouldn't want to be in a closed garage with this one.

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    16. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

      Seems like an odd comment, considering that jet engines are solid state and have no moving parts (and most definitely don't spin).

      That aside, 20,000 rps isn't so hard to fathom when the device is so tiny. Possible speed (for the same material) is inversely proportional to the diameter of the spinning part, and this device is tiny.

      I wonder what the cost is through? Precision-manufactured turbine blades for conventional (~200MW) turbines aren't exactly cheap and the process does not get much cheaper as the device gets smaller. Steam engines can actually be more practical than steam turbines in the range of a few kW (roughly an air conditioner) up to perhaps 50kW (roughly a small car motor) - they just aren't used because internal combustion engines are even more practical and anything steam is expensive and not very efficient in small sizes.

      You can make turbines out of poorly engineered materials, but they will be less efficient (easily worse than a piston-based external combustion engine), bulkier, and in need of more maintenance.

    17. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

      This seems pretty odd to me. Turbines need very uniform flows (to avoid damage to the blades) and small devices need to be low maintenance. Carburetors are neither, being easily flooded, containing moving parts, and not giving very good control of the fuel-air mix over a range of throttle settings and air temperatures.

    18. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by cosinezero · · Score: 1

      Precision machining is a very different process than the photo-lithography used for silicon wafer manufacture. Precise mass manufacture of silicon crystal structure is fairly well developed by now.

    19. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by MPHellwig · · Score: 1

      "trusted" or "feared" is actually the same, though the meaning depends on what the other party thinks on which side you are.

    20. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cool, we slashdotters will finally have someone (or something) to drink with !

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    21. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      For a gas turbine generating electricity- you don't need a range of throttle settings. You need a single throttle setting that expands and contracts with temperature.

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    22. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Correct- but at least you took me seriously- that's more than I can say for many others.

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    23. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by AncientPC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is this any different from spinning platters in hdds?

    24. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by BiggyP · · Score: 1

      Gas turbine, surely this can't replace laptop batteries, it sounds dangerous, what if it explo.... oh, never mind.

    25. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by fincan · · Score: 1

      no, it is "Thrusted Computing".

    26. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > ...considering that jet engines are solid state and have no moving parts (and
      > most definitely don't spin).

      What planet did you study engineering on?

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    27. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

      Hmm, a little look on Wikipedia explains things: It turns out the engine I'm thinking of is called a ramjet while you're probably thinking of a turbojet or turbofan or some similar engine with a rotating compressor and a turbine. Ramjets indeed have no moving parts except for a valve or two, but they apparently aren't used much in practice. Perhaps I was taught that design because it's simpler to understand?

    28. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

      Then how do you regulate power output? The laptop's power draw is not constant.

    29. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by jshackney · · Score: 1

      I sit between two PT6A-60A turboshaft engines. The gas generator (N1 turbine) has a maximum RPM of 39,000 RPM. Doing the math, these micro-turbine-thingies are only about 30.7 times faster. For the relatively mass of the smaller turbines, 1.2 million RPMs seems a bit trivial. I'm curious to know what kind of heat will be generated by the small turbines, and could the heat/exhaust air be harnessed for anyhing? (say, to drive an air cycle machine to cool a CPU?)

    30. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the exhaust?

    31. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by srk2040 · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it would be easy, if it was, it wouldn't be nobel worthy.

    32. Re:I wonder how safe they will be? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I would assume with a supercapacitor....

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  2. Cripes! by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yesterday they were putting lasers on a chip. Today it's engines. Tomorrow, I suppose I'm just going to live on a chip.

    1. Re:Cripes! by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, tomorrow its Snakes on a Chip!

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    2. Re:Cripes! by michaelvkim · · Score: 2, Funny

      many of us IT junkies do live on chips...

      potato chips, that is!

    3. Re:Cripes! by eko33 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Ye' have never fought the likes o' a man eat'n shark with lasers atop their skulls!

      Pffft! Chips with lasers! You yellow-belly land-lubber!

    4. Re:Cripes! by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Funny

      >No, tomorrow its Snakes on a Chip!

      And the day after tomorrow it's Apostrophes on a motherfucking Chip!

    5. Re:Cripes! by jbrader · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid that the whole snakes on a plane thing is already deader than dogshit. But I agree wholeheartedly with your sig.

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    6. Re:Cripes! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      No, tomorrow its Snakes on a Chip!

      Too late.
    7. Re:Cripes! by Veinor · · Score: 1

      And the day after the day after tomorrow it's Proper Capitalization in Titles on a Motherfucking Chip! And then, Clichs

    8. Re:Cripes! by Veinor · · Score: 1

      DAMMIT! Wrong button. I meant "And then, Cliches on a Motherfucking Chip".

    9. Re:Cripes! by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Tomorrow, I suppose I'm just going to live on a chip.

      I knew it! Those bastards have figured out how to make apartments even smaller!

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    10. Re:Cripes! by oahazmatt · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm afraid that the whole snakes on a plane thing is already deader than dogshit.


      Chips on a Shoulder! :)
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    11. Re:Cripes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate me for reading all the way down that thread.

    12. Re:Cripes! by paralaxcreations · · Score: 1

      funny, how the backspace (aka "Woops, I made a mistake") key is located just a few mm above the return (aka "I'm satisfied and would like to use that") key on most keyboards. Seems they should be on completely opposite sides of the keyboard.

    13. Re:Cripes! by dynamo52 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you don't mean 'Clichés on a Motherfucking Chip'?

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    14. Re:Cripes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I hate me for reading all the way down that thread.
      I love you for it.
    15. Re:Cripes! by cosmicj · · Score: 1

      anyone tried that with the salsa?

    16. Re:Cripes! by qengho · · Score: 1


      Tomorrow, I suppose I'm just going to live on a chip.

      Maybe not tomorrow, but relatively soon.

    17. Re:Cripes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the day after tomorrow it's Apostrophes on a motherfucking Chip!

      Are you going to put apostrophes on a guy named Chip, or is that a title?

    18. Re:Cripes! by FliesLikeABrick · · Score: 1

      And the day after tomorrow its the Day After Tomorrow on a chip!

    19. Re:Cripes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YARRRR!!! Thanks for not bein' a bilge rat, and talkin like a pirate!

    20. Re:Cripes! by funkboy · · Score: 1

      What does the lameness of signing posts with usernames have to do with being gay?

    21. Re:Cripes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrr Maatey, Are those thar lasers mounted on Pirate Chips?

    22. Re:Cripes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not put "fish on chips" then?
      Tasty and nutricious as well!

    23. Re:Cripes! by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      I HAVE HAD ENOUGH of all these motherfucking Snakes on a Plane jokes on this motherfucking forum.

    24. Re:Cripes! by gripen40k · · Score: 1

      ... Informative my barnicle infested eye....

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    25. Re:Cripes! by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Beatings on a Dead Horse.

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    26. Re:Cripes! by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Are those... frickin' sharks? With fricken lasers on their heads?

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    27. Re:Cripes! by aug24 · · Score: 1

      And this grammar nazism comes from a /.er with a typoed sig?! Good grief.

      J.

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    28. Re:Cripes! by name*censored* · · Score: 1
      ........talk like a pirate day

      remember?
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  3. Hurray by Drakin020 · · Score: 0

    more reason to increase gas prices

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  4. Does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Explode?

  5. build a better battery by Brigadier · · Score: 1



    I guess instead of building a better battery it's build a better generator. I guess all that matters is the efficiency of the design. My question is obviously heat production, and probably not as important exhast gases. How clean will this device burn. How well will these gases coexist with heat, and ionization.

    Sounds like a interesting replacement for motors too.

    1. Re:build a better battery by spribyl · · Score: 1

      Quick Some check to make sure the Mom is not forcing this guy to build robots and his name is not Farnsworth.

    2. Re:build a better battery by anonymous_wombat · · Score: 1

      If this is running in my house, then exhaust gases seem pretty important to me.

    3. Re:build a better battery by tecmec · · Score: 1

      So now my laptop will need an exhaust pipe? Great, that's just what I always wanted. And am I now going to have to worry about gas prices every time I run out of power on my laptop? Oh yeah, will these "batteries" be allowed on a plane? If so, will I have to pay duties?

  6. Wow! by Kirin+Fenrir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the energy source of the future! It's...

    ...gas?

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    1. Re:Wow! by neersign · · Score: 1

      right. So you drive to the gas station in your electric vehicle to fill up your laptop. Will vanity mirrors be standard or optional?

    2. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you know, in the near future your car will run with a battery driven electric engine, your house will be heated by solar energy and your electricity comes from biogas, while your mobile phone and your laptop run with gas, didn't ya know?

  7. This is Sooo Amazing! by donaldlatif · · Score: 1, Funny

    I always thought that what computers were missing was the pull chain for starting the engine. Now it'll be just like using the lawnmower! BBBBRRRRBRBRBRRBBRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Hot exhaust? by Bryansix · · Score: 4, Funny

    The article doesn't mention what happens to the hot exhaust after it passes through the turbine. Does this mean that have not tackled this problem yet? This could give a whole new meaning to the whole "laptop frying your balls".

    1. Re:Hot exhaust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think "laptop frying your balls" will have precisely the same meaning. Arrr!!

    2. Re:Hot exhaust? by moracity · · Score: 1

      It also doesn't mention how to fuel the engine...what happens when it runs out of gas?

      Also, shouldn't they be making these run on bio-diesel?

    3. Re:Hot exhaust? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny
      what happens when it runs out of gas?

      I'm going to go way out on a limb here and speculate that when it runs out of gas, the engine stops turning.

    4. Re:Hot exhaust? by wtansill · · Score: 1
      It also doesn't mention how to fuel the engine...what happens when it runs out of gas?

      Also, shouldn't they be making these run on bio-diesel?
      What will be interesting is trying to get a fueled laptop (and spare fuel containers) aboard a commercial airliner. I read something the other day about one of the airlines (Virgin?) banning Dell and Apple laptops due to the exploding/burning battery debacle. Can you see them letting you on board with flammable and potentially explosive fuels? I sure can't!
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    5. Re:Hot exhaust? by Gulik · · Score: 1

      The article doesn't mention what happens to the hot exhaust after it passes through the turbine. Does this mean that have not tackled this problem yet? This could give a whole new meaning to the whole "laptop frying your balls".

      Well, more like air-popping, really, so at least they'll be low-fat. Which, I concede, will likely not be much of a comfort.

    6. Re:Hot exhaust? by necro81 · · Score: 4, Informative

      One thing that many people forget - mostly due to the impression given by hollywood - is that gasoline and diesel don't explode at the drop of a hat. But the liquid form doesn't ignite, it must first be vaporized and mixed with oxygen before you have something that will readily combust. If you had a closed container of fuel, and prevented oxygen from getting in, it would be pretty safe. Even when liquids were allowed on airplanes, there weren't many stories [possibly none - does someone know of any?] of terrorists using gasoline in a bomb, despite the fact that it is easier to get than explosives and readily concealed.

      Even a gas tank, which gets filled with air as the gas is used, rarely explodes even in the most violent car crashes. Usually what happens is that the fuel gets sprayed everywhere and burns on the surface. An explosion wouldn't come from all the gas suddenly burning, as happens with a genuine explosive, but from the vapors in the tank combusting and causing the tank to rupture.

    7. Re:Hot exhaust? by Gospodin · · Score: 1
      ...what happens when it runs out of gas?

      Or when/if the engine fails? Probably this would be coupled with a low-capacity battery sufficient for about 5 minutes of power so that if the engine failed for any reason, the battery could give you enough juice to power down safely.

      Also, shouldn't they be making these run on bio-diesel?

      Seems like that would be a case of too-early optimization. Do you really think tiny laptop gas turbines are going to be a big enough factor in world oil consumption to even notice for the foreseeable future?

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    8. Re:Hot exhaust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't interesting that injuring someone suddenly becomes hilarious if it happens to their balls?

    9. Re:Hot exhaust? by ehud42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      [OT - but reminded me of when I was a teenager]

      One thing that many people forget - mostly due to the impression given by hollywood - is that gasoline and diesel don't explode at the drop of a hat. But the liquid form doesn't ignite, it must first be vaporized and mixed with oxygen before you have something that will readily combust.

      I was working for my uncle in a manufacturing plant (hopper bottom grain bins). He was cutting a piece of steel with a cutting torch. The piece was no bigger then a few square inches and was glowing bright yellow. He grabs it (with welding gloves) and tosses it into a pail of liquid nearby. From the hiss, I assumed it was water - turns out it was acetone (or some similar solvent). Extremely flamable, but I guess the metal failed to heat the fuel / air mixture to the combusting point before it was submerged in an oxygenless environment. I figured he was nuts - maybe he was. The point being, had this been hollywood, the whole plant would have exploded in a massive fireball.

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    10. Re:Hot exhaust? by wtansill · · Score: 1
      One thing that many people forget - mostly due to the impression given by hollywood - is that gasoline and diesel don't explode at the drop of a hat. But the liquid form doesn't ignite, it must first be vaporized and mixed with oxygen before you have something that will readily combust.
      I'm aware of all of the above. However, given that the TSA won't allow water, hair gel, infant formula, breast milk, and other seemingly innocuous substances on board, I seriously doubt that they would allow gasoline, diesel, methanol, butane, or any other substance on board that could be deliberately set aflame while the plane was in flight.
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    11. Re:Hot exhaust? by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Tomorrows headlines: MIT puts miniture nuclear reactor on a chip the size of a quarter. Now put THAT on your lap.

    12. Re:Hot exhaust? by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Have you ever noticed in the Simpsons how almost anything involved in a collision explodes? I think in the episode where Homer forgets to pick Bart up and so Bart goes and gets a 'Bigger Brother', there is a scene where someone is blown away in a strong wind and gets carried off almost to the horizon, where she then crashes into the ground and explodes. I assumed that this was another pisstake on hollywood explosions :)

    13. Re:Hot exhaust? by God+Of+Atheism · · Score: 1

      Maybe slightly OT, but since when is it forbidden to take any liquids on an airplane? I know that the UK banned many things, among them most liquids, after the foiled terrorist plot some weeks/months (already forgotten the timescale) ago, but I assumed that emergency measure had been cancelled by now. Are there any other places that do ban all liquids? The last time I was on an airplane, nearly a year ago, there was no problem at all taking liquids aboard. Still, the exhaust gasses might mean that you won't be allowed to use such a device on an airplane. But how much fuel does such a device use? What does it use as fuel? I did read the article, but I did not see anything about the type of fuel used.

    14. Re:Hot exhaust? by pluther · · Score: 2, Informative
      There's no such thing as a "temporary" restriction, apparently.

      It has been forbidden, in the United States, to take liquids of any kind onto an airplane ever since the so-called "foiled terrorist plot" (another name for it would be "a bunch of guys bragging to each other how they would take down an airplane if they wanted to" since it never got anywhere near the level of "plot". But I digress).

      The TSA publishes an online list of restricted items.

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    15. Re:Hot exhaust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure they still let you buy ethanol in small bottles. Maybe they'll just have to make the turbines run on vodka so you can recharge midflight for $5 (exact change is appreciated).

      dom

    16. Re:Hot exhaust? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I'm aware of all of the above. However, given that the TSA won't allow water, hair gel, infant formula, breast milk, and other seemingly innocuous substances on board, I seriously doubt that they would allow gasoline, diesel, methanol, butane, or any other substance on board that could be deliberately set aflame while the plane was in flight.

      Yes, but that's a recent change. Prior to that, no one has ever tried to use something like gasoline to down an airliner. The fact is that there are easier and better ways to do it. For one, gas doesn't hold as much energy by mass compared to many other potential terrorist weapons. It's also very identifable by most people by smell alone.

    17. Re:Hot exhaust? by wtansill · · Score: 1
      Yes, but that's a recent change. Prior to that, no one has ever tried to use something like gasoline to down an airliner. The fact is that there are easier and better ways to do it. For one, gas doesn't hold as much energy by mass compared to many other potential terrorist weapons. It's also very identifable by most people by smell alone.
      So? Try walking onto an airliner with any sort of easily identifiable flammable liquid. See what happens. It doesn't matter if no one's tried to bring down an airliner with gasoline before. It doesn't matter that there are better ways to do it. It doesn't matter if it's easily identifiable by smell or some other property. My point is, the rules have changed, and getting on board a plane with a laptop fuled by gasoline, diesel, cooking oil, propane, butane, ethanol, compressed hydrogen, etc. is not going to happen in either of our lifetimes unless there's some sort of gross oversight in screening. Sheesh!
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  9. I know where this is going... by jakedata · · Score: 5, Funny

    Miniature fighter jets with lasers all etched out of a silicon crystal.

    We could drop half a billion of them over the middle east.

    1. Re:I know where this is going... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Mmmmmm. Dog pod grid...

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    2. Re:I know where this is going... by myth24601 · · Score: 1
      Miniature fighter jets with lasers all etched out of a silicon crystal. We could drop half a billion of them over the middle east.

      Makes me worry about the market getting flooded with cheap chips.

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    3. Re:I know where this is going... by stevetherobot · · Score: 1
      We could drop half a billion of them over the middle east.
      Where they'd all be eaten by a small dog.
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    4. Re:I know where this is going... by Shai-kun · · Score: 1

      That's funny, I just finished reading 'The Diamond Age' yesterday.

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    5. Re:I know where this is going... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - be kind of funny like the Israelis did with cluster bombs in Lebanon....

    6. Re:I know where this is going... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, owing to a slight miscalculation, the entire battlefleet would be swallowed by a small dog.

  10. Small is not good for mechanical applications nece by The+Dalex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a really interesting read (pancake analogy aside), although it sounds like the resulting device will be pretty fragile. A small grain of sand or a little dust buildup would cause complete failure. Large mechanical systems have the ability to power through minor problems like that, but such a small one will not really be suited for military field use, I imagine.

  11. Gas-powered batteries use oil... by pianoben · · Score: 1

    ...So now when DHS raises the terror alert, our cell phones will cost more, too?!

    That doesn't sound right...

  12. double cripes! by ccozan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Today they made a miniprojector: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5359724.stm

  13. Generator? by camperdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, I can picture the gas microturbine, and I can picture how a fuel/combustion energy source can outpower an electochemical energy source. However, do we have the capacity to make a generator that small. After all, we have the rotary power, how do we convert that into electrical energy?

    I would be more interested in a bioelectric power source, like electric eel cells fed with sucrose.

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    1. Re:Generator? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      Any electric motor can conceivably be used as an electric generator with little modification, or in most cases no modification at all. Considering how small we can make electric motors I don't think this will be the issue.

      =Smidge=

    2. Re:Generator? by waif69 · · Score: 1

      I like your electric eel idea and I am sure that many would support it, however groups like PETA would lobby and most likely prevent such research from occuring. It only takes a small organized group protesting to get in the news, if the media sources are favorable to the protest they don't usually indicate that the protest is a small group, and then it just takes a few lunches for a few key senators to make things happen on the Hill. Nice idea, won't see it happen in our lifetimes, at least not in the US.

    3. Re:Generator? by jakedata · · Score: 1

      But imagine the fun if a group breaks in at night to 'liberate' the electric eels. I hope they brought gloves...

    4. Re:Generator? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      RTFA- they've got a 10-Watt microgenerator already working! Plus, anything you can run of gasoline, with a little tweaking of the carbuerator, will run off of Whiskey. If this gets popular, I'm going to start looking for an old bar that has DSL access for an investment property.

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    5. Re:Generator? by Tx · · Score: 2, Informative
      OK, I can picture the gas microturbine, and I can picture how a fuel/combustion energy source can outpower an electochemical energy source. However, do we have the capacity to make a generator that small.

      As usual, the answer is in TFA, and it is "Yes":
      Turbine blades, made of low-defect, high-strength microfabricated materials, spin at 20,000 revolutions per second -- 100 times faster than those in jet engines. A mini-generator produces 10 watts of power. A little compressor raises the pressure of air in preparation for combustion. And cooling (always a challenge in hot microdevices) appears manageable by sending the compression air around the outside of the combustor.
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    6. Re:Generator? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Ball bearings. It's so simple, maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings these days!


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    7. Re:Generator? by omeomi · · Score: 1

      Plus, anything you can run of gasoline, with a little tweaking of the carbuerator, will run off of Whiskey.

      Really? Where exactly do I find the carbuerator on my fuel-injected car?

    8. Re:Generator? by Comboman · · Score: 4, Funny
      I would be more interested in a bioelectric power source, like electric eel cells fed with sucrose.

      Electric eel generator, bird beak phonograph needle and dinosaur garbage disposal are already patented by Fred Flintstone.

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    9. Re:Generator? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Ok, so modern cars this doesn't work for. Instead, you have to tweak the computer. A conversion to E85 Flex Fuel or even E100 is available for most cars for about $100. But given the price of whiskey, I'd much rather run my little battery generator off of it than my car....

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    10. Re:Generator? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      you might want to keep in mind that high concentrations of ethanol is pretty corrosive. thus is will turn any rubbers or plastics, some of which are found in the fuel system, that aren't designed to withstand it into jelly.

      that's why flex-fuel vehicles a bit more expensive than ordinary gas ones. they need to replace the rubbers and plastics with either different, more expensive, rubbers and plastics or stainless steel or something else not affected by it.

      also, ethanol has less potential energy than gas, but if you run it at high compressions (especially with forced induction) to take advantage of the higher octane rating, you can make very efficient use of the available energy, getting equal mileage, all while providing a little more power (about 5% that I've seen) from the engine.

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    11. Re:Generator? by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1
      we have the rotary power, how do we convert that into electrical energy

      Let's see.... maybe put a magnet on the rotor and little coils of wire around the outside? The changing magnetic field will induce current in any nearby conductors. This part was figured out more then 100 years ago. After all the only new thing here is the size.

    12. Re:Generator? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "It's all ball bearings these days!"

      No, it was all ball bearings in THOSE days. Had to reach way back for that reference, didn't you?

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    13. Re:Generator? by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      If my memory served me right, almost 20 years ago my cousin who's an MIT physicist at the time, show my granddad around the labs and show him this motor/generator of a size of a grain of rice. We heard that and wondered what the heck is that good for?

    14. Re:Generator? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      There's no rubber in a silicon crystal- and once crystalized, there's very little corrosion from liquids. A far bigger danger would be carbon nanotubes fouling the works.

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    15. Re:Generator? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Did you know you can use revolution to run a magnetic motor in reverse, thereby generating current? Did you know that kind of motor can be made smaller than you're able to see? Getting a generator in a chip isn't that hard. The turbine is the problem, because there are simple limits to how close we can get the fan blades to the housing (the blades expand under heat, for example.)

      Now, for something like a wind turbine, this isn't that big a problem - you just put some synthetic diamond rasps on the inside of the housing, and the blades cut themselves down to a near-perfect fit, which is great for things that don't stop. For things that *do* stop, you need to work to find a material with near-zero thermal size change, and suddenly the ratio of circumferential area (that is to say, the space between the circumference of the inner circle described by the fan blades to that of the outer area described by the casing) to the area of the fan blades becomes a governor of efficiency, and that means the larger the dynamo, the more efficient the dynamo.

      Or, the smaller, the less efficient. That's the real problem here.

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    16. Re:Generator? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      i hit the wrong reply link. i was meaning to reply to your comment regarding conversion kits. fully converting all such ethanol-vulnerable materials in the fuel path would be rather difficult/expensive on many cars, and plus the fact that the mileage would be shot to hell without the right tuned-for-ethanol forced induction.

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    17. Re:Generator? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Did you know that kind of motor can be made smaller than you're able to see?

      Obviously, I did not. How do you etch a coil onto a chip? A coil is a three dimensional structure (unless you count a spiral). ICs are essentially two dimensional. Even with six layers of silicon, how do you build up much of a coil? However, the point is moot. When I read the title of the article, I was picturing a nano-scale turbine. This device isn't nano-scale, or even micro-scale. It is milli-scale.

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    18. Re:Generator? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      The circuit pattern may be effectively 2d, but the IC as a whole - remember that thick black plastic shell - is not. You just design an IC with a hole in the circuit pattern, then manufacture the IC with that hole carved out, and put a motor into it.

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  14. I've always wondered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't they produce a heatpiped heatsink that's combined with a small type stirling engine where the heat source would be the chip itself.

    1. Re:I've always wondered... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Because getting the efficiency to be high on such a small stirling engine is basically impossible, and if you can't get that up, then you won't get any useful amount of power out of it anyway, so why bother.

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  15. What happens if... by Lurker2288 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a teeny, tiny seagull flies into the turbine?

    1. Re:What happens if... by Duhavid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Teeny tiny feathers fly out

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      And then your pants crash in a smoking ruin.

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    3. Re:What happens if... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Fried mini-seagull snack?

      ~X~

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    4. Re:What happens if... by syousef · · Score: 1

      They're called mosquitos.

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    5. Re:What happens if... by Spunk · · Score: 1

      No worries. IP over Avian Carriers has a collision-detection algorithm.

  16. All parts work, just need to put it together by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ha, ha ha. How many times the rookies in my dept have come to me excitedly and said, "Great news Boss, Got all the functions implemented and unit testing checked out ok. All I need to do is to put it together. Finished 90% of the code in just 10% of the time. Want to take a month off to chill out in Aruba!"

    Then they spend 200% of the allotted time to make sure what they wrote in the first 10% interact with one another correctly.

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    1. Re:All parts work, just need to put it together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, my friend, is one BRILLIANT MOTHERFUCKING OBSERVATION.
      (If you're 5 years old)

    2. Re:All parts work, just need to put it together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for fuck's sake, it's a chip, not fucking php/javascript/java/what have you code. just because you're a Project Manager doesn't mean you know jack shit about actual physical science, not one bit.

    3. Re:All parts work, just need to put it together by mnmn · · Score: 1

      And thats just the development time. Wait till you see the debug cycle.

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  17. p = mv & F =ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since the mass of these materials is super small, the fact that they are moving at high velocity is no cause to hide under one's bed.

    Also, at 20,000 rpm .. assuming that the "revolution" is a distance of 1 or 2 millimeters .. the ACTUAL velocity is nothing to send a letter home with.

    Do the math (remember we are talking about the speed of the part of the object that is actually moving).

    Another way of looking at it .. the total force cannot exceed the energy output of the gas expansion .. which is the result of a few micrograms of fuel.

  18. This will never fly :( by G4from128k · · Score: 1

    Given all the issues with "liquids" and flaming laptop batteries, I doubt this will be allowed on aircraft. (We'll see if methanol fuel cells pass TSA muster). I guess that's just another example of the terrorists winning their goal of keeping people out of the 21st century.

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    1. Re:This will never fly :( by JesseL · · Score: 1

      Are they still handing out little bottles of ethanol on flights?

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    2. Re:This will never fly :( by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Yeah, either that, or the fuel tanks standardise, and the airline starts selling them for a dollar, along with batteries and booze.

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  19. pointless? by micromuncher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A microturbine requires a completely new energy source; can you imagine plugging a butane canister into your portable? All turbines have physical issues around energy lost through heat; remember in a traditional engine only about 50% of fuel burned actually goes to perform work.

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    1. Re:pointless? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Plus, you won't be able to take a laptop powered this way into the “secure” area of an airport... (Of course, once there is a rumor of someone trying blow up a plane with a Sony-made laptop battery, you won't be able to do that with any other laptop, either.)

    2. Re:pointless? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What does "traditional engine" mean? If you mean internal combustion, the most efficient ICE is only about 50% efficient, it's a diesel in a container ship the size of a house. Your automobile's engine is maybe 25% efficient.

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    3. Re:pointless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      30% for gasoline actually. Maximum. Diesel is about 40%.

    4. Re:pointless? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      You'd better redefine maximum. Here is a 50% efficient diesel engine with 5 million ft/lbs of torque!

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    5. Re:pointless? by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Strange, I think my battery gets hot as well. OTOH, I think your 50 % number is quite inflated for general combustion engines.

    6. Re:pointless? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      That diesel engine is also almost certainly a two-cycle engine.

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    7. Re:pointless? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      can you imagine plugging a butane canister into your portable? ... yes.

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    8. Re:pointless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're conveniently forgetting that electricty on the grid is already being (and always has been) generated by burning fossil fuels. The generation cycle at the power plant induces losses, transformers along the way, cabling distance to your home, grid conditions... they all induce losses. Charging a battery and comparing the energy that comes out of the socket to the amount of energy the battery delivers, you are left with about 50% of what came out of the wall socket. The bottom line is, it's more efficient to burn the fossiel fuels directly where and when they are needed, and harvest the energy on the spot (in whatever form feasible).

  20. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to wonder how efficient it will be. Two things drive the efficiency of a gas turbine. The heat differentials and that leakage between the blades or impeller and the housing.
    The leakage is going to be a real issue since it is a ratio between the disk size and the gap. Bigger engines mean a higher ratio. That is one of the reasons that BIG gas turbines are relatively efficient while small one suck fuel like there is no tomorrow.

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  21. 2 words by lunaticLT · · Score: 0

    moving parts.

    1. Re:2 words by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but my laptop has a hard drive and a dvd-rw. what's a turbine between friends?

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    2. Re:2 words by lunaticLT · · Score: 0

      I don't have a laptop :-/

      And BTW, with Flash memorry you won't have to use moving parts. Though that's still far away.

  22. After the lunch I just had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say I might be the perfect fuel source for my new laptop and cell phone.

    (runs to buy's bean futures...)

    1. Re:After the lunch I just had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You runs to buy is bean futures? If you're going to write buy's, why don't you also write run's?

  23. Does it expel cabon dioxide? by tinrobot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would imagine if it burns a fuel, it spits out carbon.

    We need to stop burning stuff for our energy. Sure, batteries store energy made by mostly burning coal and stuff, but there other options for generating electricity to fill those batteries that don't involve adding carbon. I wish these people focused their research towards these types of energy sources.

    1. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd imagine it can be tuned to run from any hydrocarbon based fuel source. Sources such as alcohol should be carbon neutral. There's nothing that says it has to be from fossil fuels.

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    2. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much carbon is there in a cubic centimeter of liquid hydrogen?

    3. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by aCodeCowboy · · Score: 1

      Burn hydrogen, get water. With a big laptop CPU you get a high burn rate, and need an explaination for why you have damp pants again. :)

    4. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by sploxx · · Score: 1

      We need to stop burning stuff for our energy. Sure, batteries store energy made by mostly burning coal and stuff, but there other options for generating electricity to fill those batteries that don't involve adding carbon. I wish these people focused their research towards these types of energy sources.

      Here's an idea I have not yet seen anywhere: Suck the CO2 out of the atmosphere using large beds of soda lye and reprocess the resulting sodium carbonate using only nuclear power to pure CO2 and lye.
      The CO2 (+H2O) could be further processed (with the help of the same power plant) to synthetic crude.

      There is your CO2 neutral power source which can be used to drive any car. How about that?

    5. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Sort of. At the moment, most farming is done with petroleum, and by the time you end up with ethanol, you are only more carbon neutral, not completely so.

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    6. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      An excellent idea, but it would require construction of more nuclear power plants. The anti-nuclear fanatics will not permit that.

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    7. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      I would imagine if it burns a fuel, it spits out carbon.

      Yeah, like hydrogen. Oh wait.

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    8. Re:Does it expel cabon dioxide? by Thomas+Henden · · Score: 1

      While fuel cell driven gadgets might not contribute themselves to that much extra CO2, the consequences of everyone switching over to them will. This demands some explanation.

      First of all:

      I certainly do NOT want gadgets which, like my printer with a chipped ink cartridge, makes me dependent on consumables, instead of cheap electricity from the grid.

      The situation is bad enough as it is, with extremely overpriced litium-ion batteries with a non-standard shape, so it might be that most people, irritated by this, will welcome the changeover to fuel cell based gadgets, ignoring the fact that the producers will make the hazzle for those of us who want to refill our own (m)ethanol cartrigdges, as large as possible. Eg. regular Joe will end up throwing away his gadget early, when fuel cartidges for that particular gadget gets rare and/or even more expencive.

      Even if a cartridge could fuel a cell phone for two weeks, it means that Average Joe must have a small pile of them, and at some point, they will be sold at fewer places, though maybe not also to a higher price.

      And huge parts of the world have no electricity grid or a long distance to the civilisation - for example in the Australian outback, I would rather charge my gadgets with a solar panel, than having to have a load of fuel cells available, though I can see situations where it would be practical to use some, for example shorter vacations where you bring less amounts of luggage.

      One way or another, we get cheated, because of all the different battery packages, which hinders us from buying standard cells or standard battery packages (including protection circuitry), so we pay 100USD for a battery that really costs 5USD to make.

      The ONLY solution to this mess, is that the industry due to environmental and consumer laws, are forced to use standardized battery solutions, or standarized (m)ethanol, refill solutions (which might be very cheap, then), however I cannot see this coming soon, though the continous replacement of gadgets also hurts the environment and rise the CO2-pollution.

      I have recently bought a Canon 350D camera, where the store tried to talk me out of buying a battery hand-grip (containing 6xAA rechargeable 2600mAh cells in place of the 720mAh lithium-ion battery).

      The photo store even warned be that the battery capacity would be less with the battery handgrip, than with the "special quality" Canon lithium ion battery, and not surprisingly, I am not allowed by the PC-software, to transfer pictures from the camera to the PC, if I don't use the 100USD Canon lithium battery, instead of my cheap AA rechargeable batteries. Canon WANT me to use the most expencive battery solution (which costs in Europe, eq. to 100USD) instead of my own AA-batteries which cost me a fraction of that, and has tons of capacity, unless I let them sit unused until they self discharge. (A minor inconvenience compared to have "unlimited" battery capacity when taking pictures of a wedding or something important event)

      Guess they want only professional photographers who anyway has bough that 3000USD super-duper press zoom lens, to buy the battery hand grip, since they photograph so much, that it would have been a really shame to ask them to use the standard lithium battery with low capacity. Maybe also Canon does this to avoid consumers who don't understand that their NiMH-batteries has a lot of self discharge, to complain so they have to explain for them how to get the most of your NiMH-batteries.

      Canon btw. has had a very consumer friendly policy with their printers, where the user has been able to refill ink until recently but now they too chip their ink cartridges to stop refilling.

      Anyway, I thrive much more with my battery-handgrip solution with high capacity with cheap, standard cells for my digital camera, than with both the lithium battery, or any solution involving me having to buy some special liquid so I can take my photos. If the lithium battery which has to

  24. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by MrTester · · Score: 1

    Remember, we are talking about a replacement for batteries here.
    Like a battery, this is not something that is going to be recharged in the field. They will just swap out one micro generator for another and send the used up one off somewhere for refeulling so the dust or sand is not an issue.

  25. Polution? by iansmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Simple, small gas engines in lawnmowers and scooters are far, far dirtier than in a large modern car engine that has extensive polution control systems even when you take into account how much more gas a car uses than a lawnmower.

    So I can't imagine this thing will run very clean at all. Not much room to put in a catalytic converter or other cleaning methods.

    I have to wonder what a hundred million of these things running will do to indoor air quality. I don't think I want a thousand of these inside my office building.

    1. Re:Polution? by egomaniac · · Score: 3, Informative

      The main reason that lawnmower engines are so incredibly dirty is that they are two-stroke engines. Two-stroke engines are inherently evil -- they burn dirty and emit huge quantities of unburnt fuel -- but they have a higher power-to-weight ratio and therefore see use where a small, powerful engine is required. It has a lot more to do with the engine design than it does the size. As for the pollution controls in cars, don't forget that car engines have to deal with an incredibly wide range of ever-changing speeds and power requirements. It's quite difficult to build an efficient engine which operates across such a wide range of speeds, but a simple engine driving a generator can operate at precisely one speed with a fixed load and can therefore be optimized for its precise requirements.

      Further. the researchers in TFA are not building a piston-driven engine at all, they are building a gas-turbine engine. While it's difficult to speculate on the efficiency at this point (the thing doesn't even exist!), I would expect it to be relatively clean.

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    2. Re:Polution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think before you post:
      They are all different types of engines and thus you cannot make generalizations just based on size.

      Lawnmowers are almost exclusively 2 stroke engines which burn oil along with the gasoline.
      Cars are 4 stroke engines with government mandated environmental regulations place upon them.
      These are turbine engines which are an entirely different type of engine.

    3. Re:Polution? by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1
      2-stroke engines are the worst, but even 4-stroke lawnmower engines are far dirtier than a car engine's output, mainly due to the lack of a catalytic converter. Check this out: Grass Cutting Beats Driving in Making Air Pollution

      From the linked article: "...the researchers used regular unleaded fuel in a typical four stroke, four horsepower lawn mower engine and found, after one hour, that the PAH emissions are similar to a modern gasoline powered car driving about 150 kilometers (93 miles)."

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    4. Re:Polution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The main reason that lawnmower engines are so incredibly dirty is that they are two-stroke engines.


      Uh, no. The vast majority of lawnmower (and rototiller, etc) engines are four-stroke.

    5. Re:Polution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go shopping before you post. Try to find a 2 stroke lawnmower at Sears or Kmart. Or Tardget. Or anywhere else for that matter.
      I'm not saying that they don't exist, but they almost exclusively don't.

    6. Re:Polution? by smenor · · Score: 1

      That's not really a fair comparison.

      The simple, small gas engines in lawnmowers and scooters use a two-stroke cycle whereas most car engines use a four-stroke cycle. Two stroke engines, by their very nature, output a lot more incomplete combustion products.

      This thing is a gas turbine. Even if you fueled it with gas, I would expect that most of its output would CO2 and H2O (and, I'd imagine, that in normal use these things would be burning methanol, making the exhaust even cleaner).

      Most likely, running one of these wouldn't be that different than adding another person's O2 consumption and CO2/H2O production to the office (in other words, negligible).

      Heat production is another matter.

    7. Re:Polution? by SuseLover · · Score: 1

      Why couldn't the gas just be hydrogen? Simple alternative to the hydrogen fuel cell?

    8. Re:Polution? by cajunfj40 · · Score: 1
      egomaniac said:
      The main reason that lawnmower engines are so incredibly dirty is that they are two-stroke engines.

      I'm sorry, that hasn't been the case for quite some time - they're almost all 4-strokes now. This Link shows that 2-strokes were being phased out under EPA rules as early as 1997. Lawnmower engines are, however, predominately of the flathead or "valve in block" air-cooled style. They have a lower compression ratio than most auto engines and some waste quite a bit of fuel out the exhaust as extra coolant to keep the engine from overheating. The main problem with lawmowers and other small engines, in my opinion, is simple maintenance - or lack thereof. People ignore it so long as it still cuts grass/throws snow/whacks weeds/etc. So it belches a bit of black or blue smoke - still gets the job done and gas is cheaper than a tuneup.

      Note, unless it has "OHV" somewhere on the engine it's probably a flathead - overhead valve (OHV) engines are still new enough that they are still worth advertising. Honda makes good ones, and I think Briggs and Tecumseh have at least a few designs on the market. The newer 4-stroke weedwhacker engines are OHV as well, for the better efficiency from the higher compression ratio and better heat rejection.

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    9. Re:Polution? by frickendevil · · Score: 1

      The problem with dirty lawn mowers arises in the fuel that is burnt. Petrol (im australian, if any americans see the word petrol, replace it with gasoline) is fairly impure stuff. Theres a bit of this, a bit of that, benzene, heptane, cyclo-hexane, octane, and etc. Most of this doesn't get a chance to fully burn, and thus you get products such as carbon monoxide. The reason this is worse in lawnmowers and scooters is that they use a very inefficient (but extremely cheap) carby, this introduces too much fuel into the piston and a lot of it isnt burnt. However if they used a direct fuel injection system, that closely monitors all of the exhausts to make sure its only CO2, then you can guarantee that they would be one of the cleanest beasts, but expensive, and break easy. What I'm trying to say is that if this doesnt use traditional petrol, and say pure ethanol instead (which can be harvested from sugar cane, not fossil sources), then it would be extremely cheap and clean.

    10. Re:Polution? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      Given the size, I'd doubt if a 1000 of them release much more carbon than one human who in fact contains an almost uncountable number of microscopic engines. Also note that the pollution control on modern car engines is not designed to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. In fact, it both substantially decreases the mileage and increases carbon dioxide emissions in favor of decreasing more directly dangerous emissions. I would guess that the extremely small scale and controlled problem space of this engine would allow it to be tuned to very high efficiencies. That combined with a far more refined and pure fuel that you would likely purchase in small capsules that have price per gallon equivalents many times higher than gasoline could result in emissions that are primarily water vapor.

  26. Re:p = mv & F =ma by MustardMan · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the total force cannot exceed the energy output

    I think you need to check your units there, boyo.

  27. Exhaust by llamalicious · · Score: 1

    Excellent idea for packing a lot of power into a small space, but there's nothing about where the exhaust goes. How much does it produce? What about hundreds of these little turbines running at the same time in a closed-atmosphere, like a plane? Do we need to hook up little straws to pump the exhaust outside? How about oxygen supply for combustion?

    1. Re:Exhaust by pointbeing · · Score: 1

      Assuming that the turbine produces 10 watts of power (got this from TFA) and is 30% efficient (not an unreasonable assumption) this would mean that the turbine produced 10 watts of work and a little more than 20 watts would be dissipated as heat - far less than a modern PC microprocessor.

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    2. Re:Exhaust by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > Excellent idea for packing a lot of power into a small space, but there's
      > nothing about where the exhaust goes. How much does it produce? What about
      > hundreds of these little turbines running at the same time in a
      > closed-atmosphere, like a plane?

      "Closed atmosphere"? A typical airliner cabin sees at least ten complete air changes per hour.

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  28. Why??? by thepacketmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other than the obvious geek factor, why would we want to increase our dependancy on a fossil fuel.

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    1. Re:Why??? by shrikel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because as we move to hybrid gas-electric vehicles, more and more mechanics are finding they need a degree in electronics just to be able to fix your car. So to level the playing field, we felt that electronics geeks should have to learn how to fix an engine too.

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    2. Re:Why??? by Shadows · · Score: 1
      Firstly -- and I know the parent did not say this specifically -- but I just wanted to point out that "gas" in "gas turbine" does not mean "gasoline." "Gas" as in solid, liquid, gas. Howstuffworks has a pretty good article on the basics of how gas turbines work.

      From Wikipedia's entry on gas turbines, specifically micro turbines:
      They accept most commercial fuels, such as natural gas, propane, diesel and kerosene. The are also able to produce renewable energy when fueled with biogas from landfills and sewage treatment plants.
      Appreciably the fuels mentioned above are all "fossil fuels" but if I can more efficiently power my laptop with this ultra-micro turbine than the local coal based power station (or other non-environmentally friendly power source) then it'd still help lower my overall dependence. I'm not sure how a biofuel would fit into that picture but it sounds nice to get something useful from our trash other than new, dangerous and foul smelling hills.

      -Josh
    3. Re:Why??? by radtea · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Other than the obvious geek factor, why would we want to increase our dependancy on a fossil fuel.

      I'm just guessing here, but maybe because we are monkeys.

      We are, after all, the species that dropped automotive research into aerodynamics for the better part of fifty years because the marketing droids realized that aerodynamic shapes would limit the scope of pointless re-stylings that can be used to sell monkeys new cars they don't need every few years.

      Humans are not very far out of the trees, driven by monkey drives of hierarchy and status. These drives are remarkably robust, to the extent that all attempts to subvert them are rapidly subverted themselves, giving us folks like Stalin at the extremely pointed pinnicle of a "classless" society.

      These failures have nothing to do with people not being "good enough" for non-hierarchical societies, any more than whales persistently dieing on the beach is evidence that they are not "good enough" to live on land. It is simply a matter of our nature, which is unfortunately largely ill-suited to creating stable, sane, passably decent societies that use technology for the betterment of all rather the convenience of some and the oppression of many.

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    4. Re:Why??? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Other than the obvious geek factor, why would we want to increase our dependancy on a fossil fuel.

      Other than the obvious weight of history, why would you assume that the turbine runs on fossil fuels? The article never tells us what the fuel is.

      It could just as easily be run on butanol, alcohol, or hydrogen as gasoline, petrodiesel, or what have you.

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    5. Re:Why??? by cosinezero · · Score: 1

      Where does TFA imply fossil fuel? Ethanol could work here...

    6. Re:Why??? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Er. You do realize that things other than fossil fuels burn, right? And that "gas turbine" means "solid, liquid, gas" style gas? We have more natural gas than we know what to do with, and this would work equally well with alcohol. If you've ever been to Tennessee, you'd know that's also not exactly in short supply.

      You could fill your laptop from those seventy nine cent drums of rubbing alcohol you get at the drug store. It doesn't get a whole lot cheaper than that.

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  29. Not insurmountable problems by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure that's entirely fair; there are lots of systems that don't much like getting dirt in them, but that's what filters are for. Compared to a horse, an internal-combustion engine probably seems like it's really prone to problems -- after all, a horse doesn't mind if there's some dirt in its feed, but put the same amount of dirt into a tank of gas and run it directly into an engine, and you'll probably have issues. Hence, fuel and oil filters.

    They're not unsolvable problems. I assume that actual production units of a micro-turbine would have various types of fuel filtering, and apart from the filters, would exist in a hermetically-sealed case.

    Think about hard drives: a few specks of dust in there would result in data loss, and it gets worse all the time -- as the data density increases, the amount you could lose due to one dirt particle grows. But properly ruggedized, there's no reason why they can't be used in the field.

    Once the initial technology is developed, the encapsulation into a usable consumer (or military) device is QED by comparison; there are a lot of companies who are pretty good at that sort of thing, so I really think it's the least of the problems this would encounter.

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  30. Matchbox by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Makes it look like the first gas turbine car of the 21st century will be a Matchbox car.

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  31. Airplanes by Moby+Cock · · Score: 1

    They will have to reinstitute smoking sections on aircraft.

    "Will you be flying in fumes or non-fumes, sir?"

    1. Re:Airplanes by Quila · · Score: 1

      Like they'd ever allow you to bring the fuel on board these days anyway.

    2. Re:Airplanes by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Do they allow you to bring anything on board now? I thought that after you stripped and underwent a body-cavity search that the only thing you could take on with you was your government-issue orange coverall with PASSENGER stenciled on your back.

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  32. Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would just like to mention that the vertical HP ad in this article that blocked the content has caused me to install Adblock Plus and I will now be ignoring all ads on slashdot. You guys lost ad revenue from me because of the annoying ads. Good day.

    1. Re:Ads by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What took you so long? You must be new here.

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    2. Re:Ads by alan.briolat · · Score: 1

      Ads? What ads? Oh yeah - I installed AdBlock Plus and Filterset.G Updater ages ago, and forgot about them.

      The first thing I notice whenever I have to use another browser is how crowded webpages seem these days... Kinda like TV in the US.

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  33. Huge Amount of Energy + Small Space = Explosive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Packing a huge amount of energy into a small space is essentially creating a potential explosive.

    What the geeks at MIT have done is to create a portable explosive device. If the energy is drawn down in small increments, that device works like a battery. You can run your laptop for an eternity.

    However, if the energy is drawn down to 0 joules in 1 millisecond, then the device will blow up the automobile which you are driving.

    1. Re:Huge Amount of Energy + Small Space = Explosive by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What the geeks at MIT have done is to create a portable explosive device.

      Short your Li-Ion battery with a nice fat conductor sometime and tell me what you get.

      Disclaimer: I cannot be held responsible for any injury to person or property resulting from your potential stupid actions, whether I suggested them or not.

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  34. So does your Zippo. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    can you imagine plugging a butane canister into your portable?

    Yes.

    It makes a whole lot more sense to me than just cursing as the machine shuts down because the battery is depleted, and you're nowhere near a power outlet.

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  35. Arrr by everphilski · · Score: 1

    thats why we do an envirrrronmental impact analysis.

  36. Oil change? by tilde_e · · Score: 1

    How many hours will it run before it needs an oil change?

    1. Re:Oil change? by aCodeCowboy · · Score: 1

      With the tolerances they're talking about, the only way to service it would be to replace it. After N fuelings or in case of failure, you buy a new one. They'll probably integrate the turbine/generator with the fuel storage in one unit. That would make it easiest to market for special form factor applications like laptop battery replacement, and it could use the fuel enclosure surface area to help distribute the heat generated over a larger area so there isn't a hot spot at the exhaust. I want piece of the profits now for my patent idea. Make checks out to "aCodeCowboy". ;)

  37. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    That sounds like what happened with the M-16 machine gun. It's a really nice gun, but it has really tight tollerances, and doesn't operate very well when it's dirty, and hence it requires lots of cleaning, or it tends to jam. The AK-47 on the other hand, operates pretty well even when it is dirty, which is nice in combat situations, since you don't want your gun jamming in the middle of a battle. For more information, check out the wikipedia article

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  38. awesome startup sound by llZENll · · Score: 2, Funny

    How cool will it be when you turn your laptop on and it sounds like a jet engine starting up!

    1. Re:awesome startup sound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How cool will it be when you turn your laptop on and it sounds like a jet engine starting up!

      Well since my desktop already sounds like one, it would only be appropriate...

    2. Re:awesome startup sound by powerlord · · Score: 1
      How cool will it be when you turn your laptop on and it sounds like a jet engine starting up!

      I work next to a rack of development machines. Trust me when I say, "Its cool at first, but gets old fast." :)

      I DO however appreciate why all those people on the tarmac are always wearing ear protectors.
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    3. Re:awesome startup sound by k31bang · · Score: 1
      How cool will it be when you turn your laptop on and it sounds like a jet engine starting up!


      Well heck, we'll need to start yelling "CLEAR THE REAR!" when the darn thing gets turned on.
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  39. that'll just require a good filter, like a HDD... by MrFebtober · · Score: 1

    ...only much bigger since it will actually be moving significant amounts of air through it. I would imagine changing an intake air filter on one of these things could require use a clean room, but nonetheless, a very fine filter system would be in order. This would mean that efficiency would drop over time as dirt built up at the intake.

  40. How eco-friendly? by Vincman · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So what are the consequences for the environment here? I realise that it's not nice to have billions of batteries lying around, but do these mini-furnaces cause any other kind of pollution? I did not find anything about this in the 'challenges ahead' section, nor do I know much about gas (no pun intended) to be honest.

  41. Re:p = mv & F =ma by gewalker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Try 20,000 revs / sec

    E = 1/2 mV^2

    Mass should be small since mass/volume hase cubing scaling. I expect MIT is not too concerned about it since they did not mention it.

    I used to work at Cummins research center -- watch a turbocharger burst test if you get the chance, basically dump in as much fuel/air as it takes to get the flywheel to fly apart. Test is: is the casing is strong enough to contain all the flying pieces.

  42. one more... by rahrens · · Score: 1

    ...government agency to get involved in another product! I can see it now as a new advertising come on:

    Now! New MacBook Pro - EPA approved! Improved catalytic converter design! Larger, more efficient muffler! Meets EPA SPMML standards! (Seconds per micro-milliliter)

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    1. Re:one more... by king-manic · · Score: 1

      ...government agency to get involved in another product! I can see it now as a new advertising come on:

      Now! New MacBook Pro - EPA approved! Improved catalytic converter design! Larger, more efficient muffler! Meets EPA SPMML standards! (Seconds per micro-milliliter)


      With a body kit, cold air intake, stiffer suspecnsion and racing stripes.

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  43. cause to hide under one's bed by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Except I don't have a reliable baseline of "causes to hide under one's bed". Curse this overprotective society we live in!

  44. so when... by not+a+cylon · · Score: 5, Funny

    will they be putting tiny engines inside silicon*e* ? Just imagine, breasts that swing *themselves* even when the woman is standing still. It truly would be Utopia. Or Stepford. I always get those two confused.

  45. They should use steam. :) by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can it beat John Henry and his mighty hammer? Didn't think so!

  46. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by DextroShadow · · Score: 0

    Assault rifle, not machine gun.

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  47. Re:p = mv & F =ma by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    What he is saying was that at worse you would would be the same result as exploding a few microgram of fuel. No big deal.

  48. Will it come to anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been reading /. for quite a few years and have yet to see a single important technological breakthrough mentioned here to make it to the public. Well, with the possible exception of the Segway, which is just hype, not breakthrough.

  49. Scaling down heat engines? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting
    When steam engines were invented and developed in England by Newcomen the science of thermodynamics was lagging the technology. The steam engines work obviously but they could not get scaled down versions of the steam engines to work at all in the lab. Mainly because real engines were made with cast iron but the lab models were made with brass and it conducted away the heat away too quickly. At this time a man named James Watt, an instrumentmaker by profession did lots of work on the lab models and made an improved steam engine by mainly making the steam condense outside the cylinder. Also he invented the Watts Governor to regulate the speed of the machine. The moral of the story is that, heat engines dont scale down as easily as electronics.

    Fluids in general behave much more differently in microscopic quantities than in large bulk quantities. I expect to be lugging large batteries for some time to come.

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    1. Re:Scaling down heat engines? by giafly · · Score: 2, Interesting
      [Steam engines prove] that heat engines dont scale down as easily as electronics.
      Steam engines of the era you're discussing heated water in a big drum, just hot enough so it turned to steam, then cooled it just enough so it condensed back to hot water. Both stages (especially the second) were critically dependent on conduction. The heat engine in the example works by burning a fuel-air mix at the the melting point of steel apparantly, and doesn't bother condensing the result. I think the issues are different.

      If there is a moral it's that hybrid cars are f*ing stupid if you can get much better efficiency from a tiny little gas engine than from a battery.
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    2. Re:Scaling down heat engines? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > If there is a moral it's that hybrid cars are f*ing stupid if you can get
      > much better efficiency from a tiny little gas engine than from a battery.

      The article does not claim that the engine is more efficient (or even as efficient) as a battery. It just has a much better power to weight ratio and can be refueled in seconds from a bottle instead of requiring hours plugged in to a power outlet to recharge.

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    3. Re:Scaling down heat engines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It turns out that little gasoline engines can only be extremely efficient within a narrow range of speeds. This means that either you need a continuously variable transmission, a box with lots of gears, or use the gas engine only as an efficient means of recharging the battery that energizes the traction motors. That last one is considered a hybrid design.

      There's a reason all the most powerful locomotives use diesel-electric designs. They would probably use batteries to store braking energy, too, if there were some way to make a battery that would store the kind of energy needed to move a 5,000 ton train. They tried using turbine engines to drive the motors, but the hot exhaust would melt bridges the trains idled under and broke noise ordinances. Even then they'd have to add extra weight so the train can go up hills.

      dom

    4. Re:Scaling down heat engines? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      I mentioned the problem of scaling down steam engines just as an example. Gas turbines are, infact, more difficult to scale down. Once the science got the physics of steamengines right, they have scaled down steam engines to extremely small sizes. You might have seen small steam locomotives just a few feet long. There is a toy maker in Pittsburgh who churns out real working miniature steam locomotives.

      If gas turbines are easy to scale down you should see gas turbines at smaller horse powers. Gas turbines have a higher efficiency than diesel and gasoline engines. (40% vs 30%) and have simpler maintenance due to lack of vibration. IC engines hurl out high mass pistons and whip them back around the crank shaft. Gas turbines run smoothly without vibrations because they are inherantly symmetric. But you dont see gas turbines at smaller than 1000 HP. Even in marine applications, steam turbines dominate the high end and diesels dominate the low end. Only on a narrow range of power ratings gas turbines have an edge, even in marine applications. So many of the back-up diesel generators could be replaced by gas turbines if they could be scaled down. They dont.

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    5. Re:Scaling down heat engines? by Henk+Postma · · Score: 1

      And don't forget that the heat generated scales as m^3 (volume of stuff being burned), while the heat leaking to the outside scales as m^2 (surface area to the outside world). So when an engine leaks 1% of it's generated power out at size x, it will leak out 10% at size x/10, and 100% at size x/100.

  50. Make it run on methane by TheWoozle · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...then I can eat Mexican food for lunch and power my laptop for free!

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    1. Re:Make it run on methane by bucktug · · Score: 1

      That is one alternative fuel I am goona steer clear of....

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  51. Wonderful by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just what we need these days, not less but MORE dependence on fossil fuels. What idiots! Besides the obvious problem of trying to fuel something that small at the gas pump and then paying for it in fractions of a penny, what about the carbon dioxide emissions that conbustion engines produce? Aren't we going to be in for a lot of people with lots of headaches and brain damage from using a device like this? Even though it's so small, it's STILL emitting carbon dioxide which is known to cause the more serious cases of fatal death. I still get behind my roaring battle cry: SOLAR POWER IS WHERE IT'S AT FOLKS!!! The sun is an abundant energy source. Amp the solar panel production up so that they are 99.999% efficient, and you won't need any other source of energy anywhere on the planet. Combine that with electricity resevoirs that can hold a couple hundred gallons of electricity, and you have a clear winner. Thumbs down on this for sure.

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    1. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG!!! This is so ridiculous I don't know where to start!!
      Gallons of Electricity in electricity resevoirs(sic) ???
      Why not 'amp solar panel production up' so that they are 199.998% efficient 'cause that's TWICE as good as 99.999% efficiency!!

    2. Re:Wonderful by rev_media · · Score: 1
      it's STILL emitting carbon dioxide which is known to cause the more serious cases of fatal death.



      You mean carbon monoxide, as CO2 is not emitted in the exhaust of a gas engine, and does not cause "the more serious cases of fatal death". Whatever that means.
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    3. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more serious cases of fatal death
      As opposed to non-fatal death?

    4. Re:Wonderful by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cars emit carbon dioxide, otherwise where would the greenhouse gasses that the environmental wackos wring their wimpy little hands about come from? (Yes, I admit that the environmentalists are right about the coming nuclear winter caused by cars, but that doesn't make them right) And as far as the more serious cases of fatal death, I'm talking about the kind of death where someone actually dies. I don't know how I can make it any clearer to you. You're probably one of those pinko liberals who doesn't watch Fox news, which would explain why you can't think straight.

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    5. Re:Wonderful by discordare · · Score: 1

      "Fatal Death"?? As opposed to the non-fatal variety? Who's really the idiot here? Oh yes, the one who believes that any power source can be 99.999% efficient....ever heard of thermodynamics, dickwad? More seriously, it seems to me that by generating the power where it's needed and when it's needed, you reduce dependence on fossil fuels (even if this thing runs on fossil fuels, which wasn't clear from the article). How, you ask? How efficient do you think it is to haul a bunch of coal to a power plant, burn the coal to generate electricity, send the electricity to your house over power lines, and use the electricity to charge a battery? I'm no electrical engineer, but common sense tells me (always a dubious proposition, I know, but what the hell, I'm going with it) that the direct method has got to be more efficient, and that therefore the amount of carbon discharged into the atmosphere from running your laptop/cellphone/ipod/etc. would be less, not more, that it would be otherwise. Of course, they may not let us carry the required gasoline onto an airplane....

    6. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Combine that with electricity resevoirs that can hold a couple hundred gallons of electricity, and you have a clear winner."
      -What kind of buckets do you use to measure your galons of electricity?

    7. Re:Wonderful by discordare · · Score: 1

      Oh, and by the way, electricity doesn't ever come in gallons.....

    8. Re:Wonderful by eno2001 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Dickwad? Let it be noted that I did not hurl the first insult. So you like decentralized solutions then? no surprise as that is what most morons who read Slashdot like. You're argument about efficiency falls apart when you consider that even if your producing the power locally it's not being efficiently doled out as a centralized solution would do. Let's put it this way... which approach is going to actually be more efficient:

      1. A homo liberal in his SUV with only a latte for a passenger, guzzling tons of gasoline to move his 280 pound ass from work to home and home to work every day?

      or...

      2. A gorgeous conservative woman (who looks like Anne Coulter) riding an electric bullet train with 75 other similar conservatives who actually put their money behind the environment instead of complaining about "big bad businesses" like the pansy liberals do?

      I'd put my money on option two. As a Republican MAN (with the emphasis on MAN), I know how to save the environment and a few dollars as well. And that's to ride clean, efficient bullet trains. Even better if they're running off of solar power or nuclear. So come back to me when you grow a set.

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    9. Re:Wonderful by blueturffan · · Score: 1
      *WHOOSH*
      *WHOOSH*
      *WHOOSH*
      *WHOOSH*
      *WHOOSH*
      *WHOOSH*

      I'm pretty sure that was the sound of a tongue-in-cheek post zooming over several posters' heads

    10. Re:Wonderful by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Tongue-in-cheek? My tongue went THROUGH my cheek around the back of my head and in the other cheek a few times now...

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    11. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF... go and get an education before you post...

    12. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come back when you grow a brain and get some common sense...

    13. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh... Mr. Republican MAN (with the emphasis on MAN) I would not consider the "chin nuts" on your face a set...

    14. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lay off the crack... just trying to help.

    15. Re:Wonderful by Boscrossos · · Score: 1

      Any burning of fossil fuels (or other organics) will result in carbon dioxide being produced, unavoidably (see the chemical reaction: CH + 02 -> C02 + H20). However, I must say the previous answer was right, and CO2 does not cause any direct deaths, but instead causes climate change, through the famous greenhouse effect. CO2 itself is totally nontoxic and harmless to people (and, to my knowledge, all other organisms). Nature itself is responsible for 95% of CO2 production on the globe, simply by the respiration of all living things.

      However, when organic material (i.e. fossil fuels) is burned in the absence of sufficient oxygen, carbon monoxyde can be formed, which is indeed a toxic substance (it binds to the molecules that transport oxygen through the blood, thus making those molecules unable to transport oxygen), but only in sufficient quantities and after longer exposure times.

      Also, I think it's important to note that energy conversions of 99.999% from solar energy are pretty darn impossible. Solar energy consists of heat, which is the lowest form of energy, and we want to convert it to electricity (which is a pretty high form of energy). Physics teaches us that there is a maximum efficiency, dependent on the temperature, that can be reached, and it is much lower than 99.999% (somewhere around 40-50%, if I recall correctly). This is the maximum physically possible, not due to less than perfect materials, losses, etc. Incorporate all the other factors, and you end up with a pretty low efficiency that's still humanly possible.

      While I agree that alternative energy sources like solar, wind, and hydrodynamic power have an important role to play in the future, their effectiveness must not be overestimated. Each of them also has a limited capacity, and while people may be all for the environmental benefits they offer, they will also be vehemently protesting the installing of ugly windmills in their back yards, or the price increase of electricity when more solar power is introduced (solar power is not currently able to compete with fossil fuel power from an economic perspective).

      While I must admit I don't watch Fox news (being a Belgian, it's not my preferred source for news), I feel I must suggest that it might be better to get your facts on science from some more... scientific sources.

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  52. Next, 20,000 dupes per second! by djshaffer · · Score: 1

    Jet turbine article posting!

  53. Re:p = mv & F =ma by MustardMan · · Score: 0, Troll

    I know what the AC was attempting to say, but that's not what he ACTUALLY said. Force only correlates with energy if it's applied over a distance or there's a varying potential field. When you say X cannot exceed Y, X and Y need to have the same units, or you're just talking gibberish.

  54. Re:p = mv & F =ma by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
    Also, at 20,000 rpm .. assuming that the "revolution" is a distance of 1 or 2 millimeters .. the ACTUAL velocity is nothing to send a letter home with.

    TFA said it runs at 20 krps, which would be 1.2 million rpm. Even if the mass is low, do you really want to be around when the compressor and/or turbine blades come apart? Historically, compressor disintegration has been a Bad Thing.

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  55. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
    Like a battery, this is not something that is going to be recharged in the field.

    That is bullshit. You can swap a battery out for another one; in some laptops there are multiple batteries so you can do it without even hibernating the unit first. Users will definitely want to refuel in the field, while the laptop is in use.

    It's not an issue anyway. You use a porous single element filter in between the fuel fill and the fuel storage. Problem solved. This amazing technology appears in your butane lighter, too.

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  56. Re:p = mv & F =ma by terciops · · Score: 1

    However - no one has mentioned Reynold's Number http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number which, regardless of the mass and diameter scaling, will probably be the death of this in efficiency terms. However if there are quantum effects at play (and there may well be at this scale) - then all bets are back on ....

  57. What Zippo? by Hillgiant · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, when my laptop runs out of butane, I could just plug it into that butane outlet in the wall...

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  58. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    That's not entirely true anyway. The real problem (mentioned by the wiki article) is that the M16 was believed to be self-cleaning, and isn't. They didn't issue cleaning kits. If you clean the gun, it remains fairly reliable, and if you configure it properly, it can be more accurate than the AK, anyway. (The AK's first two rounds are pretty good, but it climbs heavily after that.) Of course, M16s are usually set up for tumble, so that the tiny .223 caliber rounds have more of a tendency to hit bones and bounce around, rather than punching a small hole straight through someone.

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  59. Yeah, but... by misterhypno · · Score: 1

    Where are you going to find a gas station that small?

  60. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by MrTester · · Score: 1

    What? One sentence you are arguing against me, than your are agreeing. Im confused.

    Maybe my use of the word "this" confused you. "This" is the micro-generator-thingie, not the device that is powered by it. Oc COURSE you can swap out a dischardged one. Thats the whole frigging point.

    And like todays batterys, refilling/recharging would probably be an option, but depending on the application they may want to do that in the field.

  61. Why hasn't anyone asked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Could a Beowulf cluster of these power a town?

  62. Wrong Way 'Round by andrewdski · · Score: 1

    No, guys, we said we wanted you to find a way to replace gasoline engines with batteries, not batteries with gasoline engines. Sheesh.

  63. Re:p = mv & F =ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's worse when the mass is low. I think of the other end, That tiny piece of pointy metal won't dissapate the energy over much area when it hits something which has a higher penetrating factor. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking of several micro-bullets, hopefully the casing and plastic are strong enough...

  64. Does it run on methane? by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

    That'd be great. Then all I'd have to do is invent what Ali G and Ralph Nader thought of: a way to harness farts!

  65. a question to ask for your next gas powered laptop by m1ndrape · · Score: 1

    does it run on regular or unleaded?

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  66. I live on doritos and mountain dew by bxbaser · · Score: 1

    eom

  67. Oblig.. by mnmn · · Score: 1

    Imagine a Beowulf of these...

    I could build a car.

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  68. Re:Pollution? by bdonalds · · Score: 2, Insightful

    2-stroke lawn mower? I haven't seen one of those in ages. I think LawnBoy made two-stroke mowers for a long time, but I thought they were all 4-stroke nowadays. Now my chainsaw, leaf-blower, hedge-clipper and weed-trimmer, are a different story.

    For non-gearheads: If you need to fill 'er up with a mix oil+gasoline, you got yerself a 2-stroke.

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  69. Grreatt...now my laptop runs its own power by k1980pc · · Score: 1

    and irons my trousers when it lets down some steam

  70. Re:p = mv & F =ma by JesseL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well according to another article the turbine is 4mm in diameter, so google says .5 * 4mm * pi * 20000 is about 125.6 meters. 125 meters per second is about the velocity of a low end bb gun. Given my adolecent expirimentation in terminal ballistics, a similar low end bb gun will barely penetrate both sides of a soda can. It should be a simple matter to provide the engine with a scatter shield stronger than a soda can.

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  71. I think I know where this is going... by demopolis · · Score: 1

    Lets see, computer chips that require fuel. Gas is a bit enviro-unfriendly, so, why not alcohol? BENDER IS BORN!

  72. ...or not by Alef · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Packing a huge amount of energy into a small space is essentially creating a potential explosive.

    Well, a bottle of plain water (about 1 kg of matter) contains roughly 100 petajoules (10^17 J), and still they are known to explode very infrequently. What matters is how stable the energy state is.

    1. Re:...or not by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      You joke now, but just wait until you accumulate the critical mass of water required to achieve a fission reaction. THEN you'll be sorry. ...because you drowned half the solar system. You'll still be sorry though!

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    2. Re:...or not by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      If you managed to collect enough water to cover half the solar system, I think you'll be more in danger of getting sucked into the resultant black hole than worrying about drowning.

  73. Finally, computers that Really Do Explode! by surfcow · · Score: 1

    Hollywood has been waiting for this for decades.

    Now that's progress.

    1. Re:Finally, computers that Really Do Explode! by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      And Dell's got a several year lead, for once.

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  74. Try getting a gas-powered laptop onnto a flight.. by bdwoolman · · Score: 1

    Barney Fife at the airport security checkpoint will have a field day with this baby.

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  75. Re:p = mv & F =ma by mspohr · · Score: 1

    I saw a documentary on the development of the Airbus 380... they showed the blade failure test for the engines. Same problem. They ran the engine up to full speed then detached one of the turbine blades. Big noise but the engine housing held all of the debris... amazing.

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  76. the only problem by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    where are you going to find a tiny mechanic to change the tiny spark plugs and tiny oil filter?

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  77. Re:p = mv & F =ma by gewalker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hate to reply to myself as a general rule, but I thought a little searching would pay off.

    Here is a movie from Rolls Royce, not exactly the same, but it's nice.

  78. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by PainBot · · Score: 1
    It's a really nice gun

    Does a nice gun cause fun pain, sweet death and happy mutilation ?

  79. Miniaturization by hisstory+student · · Score: 1

    The article didn't say anything about how they plan to fuel the little bugger (a small fuel tank about the size of a battery maybe?) or how they're going to handle the exhaust (pretty warm I'd imagine). Quite an achievement though and really makes one wonder where all this miniaturization will eventually lead (micro surgical robots in the bloodstream perhaps? Heheh).

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  80. Re:p = mv & F =ma by Moofie · · Score: 1

    WORD. What you said. Units matter.

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  81. Whisky-powered laptops by tjwhaynes · · Score: 1
    run your laptop on shots of whiskey.

    That is a truely scary idea. Get your hands away from my Lagavulin!

    Cheers,
    Toby Haynes

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    1. Re:Whisky-powered laptops by cosinezero · · Score: 1

      But it sure does give us single-malt drinkers a place to pour all that crappy Jack Daniels swill...

  82. Re:p = mv & F =ma by JesseL · · Score: 1

    Also, the square-cube law is seriously working in favor of these tiny things. I doubt that they are being stressed to anywhere near the point of disinegration.

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  83. If Only... by 8ball629 · · Score: 1
    "All the parts work. We're now trying to get them all to work on the same day on the same lab bench." The goal is to do that by the end of the year.
    I'm currently building a time machine out of a DMC Delorian powered by makeshift lateral-flux capacitor and 1.21 jigowatts. All of the parts work and work well but I can't get them to work on the same day and on the same lab bench. When that day comes, you better watch out MIT!
  84. What about carbon monoxide? by s_p_oneil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hot exhaust? What about poisonous exhaust? There's a reason people don't leave their car engines running in the garage with the door down. Can you imagine 50-100 laptops running these in a college lecture hall?

  85. Energy density is the issue by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    I realize you were making a joke, but I just thought I'd point out that what I was trying to get at in my original post, is that it's impractical to carry around as much energy stored electrochemically in batteries, as you can store in the form of combustible hydrocarbons.

    So if your battery runs out, it's probably not practical for you to just keep shoving new batteries in it for very long, because the energy density just isn't there. You would probably have a tough time carrying the battery equivalent of a few liters of methanol or LPG.

    A person could easily carry around enough butane or methanol to keep a computer running for a long time; thus a wall socket is not necessary. And although you jest, although I've never seen a butane socket, natural gas lines are widely available in urban areas (although if you want to store it, you'd need liquefaction apparatus), and ethanol retail outlets aren't hard to find in most areas either. (Actually, in my area, they're already run by the government...)

    Just for reference, the energy density of methanol is around 22 MJ/kg [1], while a good LiIon battery is around 150 Wh/kg [2], or around 540 kJ/kg; that's a difference of over 40x. So you could stray a lot further from existing infrastructure with a "portable" device powered by methanol than you could on batteries.

    [1] http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/JennyHua.shtml (this is for methanol in a fuel cell, its thermal energy density is probably higher)
    [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

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    1. Re:Energy density is the issue by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was mostly serious. IMHO, this shortcoming is common to all of the "fuel" type consumer battery replacement concepts. Electrical outlets are ubiquitous and often free for the mooching. Ironically, non-battery consumer electronics would face similar infrastructure challenges as (pure) electric cars do. There is little insentive to duplicate the existing infrastructure to accomodate a new technology. Additionally, I don't think that battery life is that much of a concern, otherwise you would have manufacturers competing for the longest battery life instead of the largest monitor / fastest computer / lightest wieght.

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    2. Re:Energy density is the issue by John+Hasler · · Score: 1


      > Ironically, non-battery consumer electronics would face similar
      > infrastructure challenges as (pure) electric cars do.
      > There is little insentive to duplicate the existing infrastructure to
      > accomodate a new technology.

      Small cylinders of butane (around 80gm) can be purchased in drugstores and grocery stores right now.

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    3. Re:Energy density is the issue by Eivind · · Score: 1
      "probably" ? The energy/mass ratio for batteries is about 1% of that of petrol. If you wanted to carry the same amount of energy as you're carrying if you've got an tiny little 1oz fuel-catridge, you'd need to be hauling along 6 pounds of batteries. And if you did something really crazy, like carrying a single pound of fuel, then the equivalent batteries would weigh as much as you do.

      Energy-density of batteries *UTTERLY* *AMAZINGLY* suck. They could literally improve by an order of magnitude and still suck.

      Now, where are my antimatter-cells ? You could run your car for it's lifetime on a few grams of antimatter. Better hope the confinement doesn't fail though, or current Hollywood-explosions will look lame.

  86. Murphy's Law of Engineering by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Everything works great until you show it to your manager...

    "All the parts work. We're now trying to get them all to work on the same day on the same lab bench."


    "Hey boss, c'mere! I got our engine-on-a-chip to work!"

    *boss meanders on over*

    *turbine stops spinning*

    *boss walks away grumbling*

    "Bbbbbut it worked! Really, it did!"

    (PS: did anyone notice the "No Karma Bonus" checkbox?)
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  87. Great: download pr0n and melt a glacier by HenryHudson · · Score: 1
    Batteries are better. You can recharge off a solar panel. Using fuel hooks you into the carbon problem in a big way.


    Also: what happens if your fuel tank springs a leak? Is that covered under your warranty? For how long? 12 months and one day later the tank leaks and bingo: dead computer.


    If they do build this idiotic device, for true masturbatory pleasure, get pr0n running in one window, and a collapsing ecology in the other.


      It's all sex and death in mother nature's plans...


    HH

  88. Re:p = mv & F =ma by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

    The total energy can easily exceed the energy of the gas expansion - you're neglecting the kinetic energy of the turbine blades and whatever they're attached to, which can come from gas burned previously. For large turbines the kinetic energy works out to orders of magnitude more than potential energy of the gas in the turbine. In fact, it's the primary way that momentary dips and spikes in the demand for electricity in the grid are buffered, and a large turbine can store on the order of 10^9 joules of kinetic energy.

  89. Gyroscopic precession by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    I wonder what happens to the power cell when you try to turn your laptop 180 degrees with this thing spinning 20,000 rpm. You're completely reversing the momentum of the turbine, and unlike in a jet engine, it happens rather quickly and rather frequently.

    As they are still obviously in development of a benchtop prototype, I further wonder if that thought has crossed their minds.

    I'm thinking longevity here, not safety. Precession would create a high load on the shaft and bearings.

    1. Re:Gyroscopic precession by Suidae · · Score: 1

      I wonder what happens to the power cell when you try to turn your laptop 180 degrees with this thing spinning 20,000 rpm.

      Thats 20,000 Rev/S, or 1,200,000 RPM.

      I imagine that they have taken into account the gyroscopic forces and planned accordingly. I wonder if it will have any sensors that can be perverted into use as tsunami detectors or lightsaber simulators?

  90. One thing by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    One thing no-one has mentioned yet is what will result if it all works. It seems at least plausible that mass produced micro turbines will become a reality, and that the power to weight ratio really will be ten times that of batteries.

    SO....when you unplug your laptop from the wall, will you want to immediatly burn expensive butane cartriges? Of course not. Ergo : the hybrid laptop!

        There would be a regular lithium ion battery that would last for about an hour in a high end laptop, and then the generator would be started. Also, 10 watts....you might have a battery for surges of power and for when running high power drawing applications such as games. Just like a hybrid using the battery for acceleration.

  91. gas? by jamesh · · Score: 1

    Is that gas as in gasoline or gas as in something that is a gas at room temperature?

    I kind of assumed that using a liquid-at-room-temperature-and-pressure fuel at that scale wouldn't work and that you'd have to use a gas...

    If you used hydrogen then your byproduct is water, which is easy enough to get rid of and won't leave any residues. To use bio-diesel would be bordering on stupid in this case, you'd be venting all sorts of chemicals to atmosphere (eg carbon monoxide), and the residues would clog the system up almost instantly at that scale - have you ever seen the inside of an ICE after it has been running for a while on petrol or diesel? I know bio-diesel is a bit cleaner but not that much cleaner...

  92. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by Control+Group · · Score: 1

    and if you configure it properly, it can be more accurate than the AK

    Which means it operates at tighter tolerances, which means it's more susceptible to dirt.

    While the "self cleaning" issue was the lion's share of the problems with the M16 that Vietnam made so famous, the fact does remain that the AK-47 is inherently more reliable than the M16, while being inherently less accurate.

    Sort of like a Les Baer competition 1911 vs. a Glock 19.

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  93. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
    Sort of like a Les Baer competition 1911 vs. a Glock 19.

    Or like a P-O 1911 vs. a 1911 made in 1911? :)

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  94. human powered computers by zen-theorist · · Score: 1
    if mechanical energy is to be used to power computers, why not power them at the expense of some physical energy of the computer user? the displays on exercycles and rowing machines at the gym are more often than not powered by human energy.

    it would also provide much needed exercise for people chained to their keyboards. on the flipside, it would require lance armstrong to maintain a server farm.

  95. This isn't a new concept by Goonie · · Score: 1
    Proposals for similar things have been presented on Slashdot for years. None of them seems to have gotten close to deployment.

    Of course, this doesn't mean that I think that research into the concept should stop or anything; materials science continues to improve, and as time goes on maybe somebody will hit on a design concept that will actually work. But I wouldn't expect this kind of thing to start appearing in your laptop computer any time soon.

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  96. This will be great to take on long airline trips! by TomRC · · Score: 1


    Ooops - can't take the fuel through security...

    Might as well stop working on this technology right now...

  97. Re:Pollution? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > For non-gearheads: If you need to fill 'er up with a mix oil+gasoline,
    > you got yerself a 2-stroke.

    True only for small two-cycle gasoline engines that use the crankcase as a compressor. Large marine and stationary diesels have been mostly two-cycle for about 100 years. These engines have, if anything, lower emissions than equivalent four-cycle engines.

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  98. Re:p = mv & F =ma by MustardMan · · Score: 1, Informative

    I must have pissed off some pussy moderator - ive been getting a lot of bullshit bogus moderation this week.

  99. Re:p = mv & F =ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, there's no -1 Asshat moderation, so this is what you get for being one.
    And in case you have trouble keeping track, your only "Troll" posts this week are these three.

  100. Seems kind of like a step backwards by glwtta · · Score: 1

    What's going to be the next great innovation in portable power - world's tiniest steam engine?

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  101. Energy density is trumped by convenience by Hillgiant · · Score: 1
    Okay. Get out your tape measure. How far away is the nearest electrical outlet? How far away is the nearest drugstore?


    My inner geek loves the idea, but my inner slacker says it's never gonna happen. (And then my defences say I didn't want it anyway)

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    1. Re:Energy density is trumped by convenience by SimplyI · · Score: 1

      I don't see why a turbine power and a electrical outlet power are mutually exclusive. I don't think the electronics for a power plug take up much space or are very expensive, and they already can use two different power sources(battery and outlet) so that wouldn't be a problem.

      Also, I'm considering a plug that has the AC to DC transformer on it, not in the computer(as most do AFAIK).

      Also, even if that isn't economical/useful/etc, it seems that quite a number of people are seriously considering using it. Just because you don't find it convenient, doesn't mean it isn't convenient for others.

  102. Re:p = mv & F =ma by MustardMan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Right, such an asshat, for you know, wanting someone to actually use terminology correctly. Damn that scientific accuracy, it's just for big jerks.

    What a shocker, I've been modded down for bullshit reasons exactly 5 times this week. Shame the number 5 isn't somehow a natural number for moderation or anything.

  103. Re:that'll just require a good filter, like a HDD. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > I would imagine changing an intake air filter on one of these things could
    > require use a clean room...

    No.Just a two stage filter.

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  104. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by JesseL · · Score: 1

    On the other hand this has an angular velocity only 1/10th of a large scale gas turbine and has square-cube law working in it's favor for strength.

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  105. How about this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much carbon is in your self righteous whining? You seem to have plenty. How about we burn that? Or, hey, how about thinking for half a second that not everything burns fossil fuels!

  106. Re:p = mv & F =ma by bigtrike · · Score: 1

    My old job used to spin shafts weighing several tons up to about half those RPMs to balance them. They had some pretty thick walls on that room.

  107. haha imagine hax0rz by harlemjoe · · Score: 1

    imagine if you can hack it so the turbine shatters, taking your computer down with it.

    Also I don't know how comfortable I am about more moving parts. The more solid state a laptop, the better imho. less shit that can break when you drop it (ask me, i've destroyed 5+ laptop hdds in the last 3 years)

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  108. Excess heat can be used by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 1

    Excess heat can be converted into electricity via the Pyroelectric effect cover the chips surface with a film of gallium nitride (GaN), caesium nitrate (CsNO3), polyvinyl fluorides, derivatives of phenylpyrazine, and cobalt phthalocyanine and retrieve some of the wasted heat energy.

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  109. It's been done by JumperCable · · Score: 1
  110. The Little Engine That Could by urdak · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be appropriate to call this project, "The Little Engine That Could"? :-)

  111. Re:Pollution? by Calinous · · Score: 1

    Diesel injected two strokes engines - when used at the rpm and power level they were designed for - don't waste fuel (they only waste air). On the other side, gasoline two-strokes waste fuel as unburnt exhaust gasses

  112. DSoC, anyone? by dp_wiz · · Score: 0

    Let's microfabricate microdeathmicrostar and microrule the whole microworld!

  113. The 80-20 Rule by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    You will be surprised at the range of issues where the 80-20 rule applies. 80% of all wealth in a society is in the hands of 20% of the population. 80% of the crimes are committed by 20% of the criminals. 80% of the inventions are made by 20% of the scientists. Computer executables spend 80% of the CPU time in 20% of the code. 20% of the hurricanes do 80% of the all damage done by hurricanes. 20% of the programmers cause 80% of the bugs.

    Infact 80-20 split is the lower end of the scale. Most of the time it is skewed even more highly. For executables it is likely to be 95-5 split. I once profiled a complex (as in complex number with real and imaginary parts) matrix solver that spent 90% of the time in complex::operator*() and complex::operator+(). BTW just by correcting the rookie mistake of return result; to return &res; speeded up the code by 20%.

    The last 20% of any project takes 80% of the time. Whether it is hardware of software, getting all components to work in isolation qualifies as 20% completion of the total project. BTW, I dont work on web projects with PHP/java/javascript. I work in Computational Electro Magnetics. Mostly C++, non-graphical, non-event driven hard core simulation of physics.

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  114. Ramjets are exceedingly rare by georgeha · · Score: 1

    Outside of some used for testing and research purposes, I can think of no use for them today. Turbofans and turbojets and turboprops account for 99.9999999% of the jets you see today.

    And yes, I do have a degree in aerospace.

  115. Re:p = mv & F =ma by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 1

    The maximum risk is limited by the amount of fuel in the battery, not the chamber.

    The device has inertia, and can accumulate the energy produced by the fuel in combustion.

    I presume that the maximum energy available at any one time is limited by the physics (which does not include the rated revolution - but rather includes the melting speed, or the equilibrium speed - that is the speed at which the losses due to friction and inefficiency equals the energy being input by the fuel.)

    The speed is high, but the mass surrounding the turbine relative to the momentum of the turbine, would generally prevent a dangerous projectile; however, should a crack occur first in the shell, followed by a shattering of the turbine, pieces could be expelled at a good velocity - in the end, it appears the temperature of the projectile would be a greater risk than it's speed.

    AIK

  116. Road Warriors may have problems by Josepdin · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they will be allowed on planes?

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  117. (-1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lick my balls

  118. Robert Conrad by karrot · · Score: 1

    Now it makes sense, it should be a chip not a battery on his shoulder. "I dare you to knock this chip off my shoulder. I dare you." Man, I'm old.

  119. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
    "and if you configure it properly, it can be more accurate than the AK"

    Which means it operates at tighter tolerances, which means it's more susceptible to dirt.
    That's not what that means at all. Tolerances that matter in the field are in the moving parts of the autoloading system. Accuracy has to do with the design and placement of the sights and their relationship to the bore.
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  120. no mention of the noise it makes?? by xtronics · · Score: 1

    At 1,200,000 RPM I bet this pup makes some noise. Google turned up nothing with load or noise? I bet much of the noise in in the ultrasonic range - might be a bit dangerous?

    I thought more folks at /. would have their BS filters tuned to this.

    1. Re:no mention of the noise it makes?? by rholland356 · · Score: 1

      Since they haven't built a prototype other than as individual components on different lab benches, they've never heard the sound it makes.

      I'm betting it screams like those killer robots in the movie Screamers.

  121. Re:Small is not good for mechanical applications n by Control+Group · · Score: 1

    Accuracy has to do with the design and placement of the sights and their relationship to the bore.

    The placement of the sights and their relationship to the bore will, certainly, affect the accuracy of a rifle as fired by a person. But that doesn't mean that tolerances of manufacture don't affect the inherent accuracy of a rifle.

    Try this experiment sometime: affix an AK-47 to a rest on a shooting bench, such that it can't move. Fire thirty rounds through it at a target. Measure the spread of the resulting pattern. Do the same with an M16.

    I maintain that the spread from the M16 will be smaller than from the AK-47, resulting from the inherent greater accuracy of the rifle. If the results match my expectations (and they have when I've run the experiment), this cannot be due to the sight picture, which is strictly useful to the person aiming the rifle.

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  122. Ants on bicycles by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    Ants on stationary bicycles could probably outrun this gas turbine gadget. ;-)

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  123. re: Pollution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me,

    However 90% of lawnmower engines are 4 stroke engines. eg: Briggs & Stratton, Techumseh. Lawn Boy is the only manufacturer I know who makes a 2 stroke lawnmower engine. Weedwackers, hedge trimmers, go-peds, dirt bikes, model airplanes, are generally 2 strokers.