Cooking With the XBox 360
Mr_Congeniality writes "Someone by the name of 'Brett' went all-out to prove how hot the XBox 360 can really get. So hot, the heatsink boils water on contact, but not only that, it can make a delicious meal. Be warned though, this video may not be suitable for those with weak stomachs!"
It's boiling water. That's over 200 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Use all of your electronics to make the ultimate meal for nerds:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1104341
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The 360's not even a year old... I'm assuming the Lights of Death aren't a widespread problem? I would have read more about that on /. by now if it was widespread. (No, I don't own one.)
The video isn't really worth watching, even if it is hosted on YouTube. Just another "cooking on electronics" example.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=100+celsius+to+fahr enheit
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I doubt the warranty covers using the heatsink as a stove.
The x-box is out of warranty because it was bought a while ago, and the warranty is now outdated.
;)
the knowledge base article is from before any x-boxes ran out of warranty.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking_Mama
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I start the day with Brain Age (Me: 32, My Brain: 23) and then my DS teaches me cooking...
..is it dishwasher safe?
It has been done before... long time ago, hot running CPU's is nothing new... or is it? How to fry an egg on an Athlon XP
I doubt the warranty covers using the heatsink as a stove.
Damn Microsoft and their draconian license restrictions.
Terrorists can't threaten a country's freedom and democracy. Only lawmakers and voters can do that.
It is a benchmark of how hot console CPUs are getting. It was unimaginable to think that a playstation or a SNES would be able to fry an egg... But...
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
and because of the way that heatsinks work, the CPU side is even hotter...
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Egg white coagulates between 144 degrees F and 149 degrees F, and the yolk between 149 degrees F and 158 degrees F.
That's around 65 and 71 Celsius.
Having a PC heatsink at over 75 Celsius ain't that much of a big deal, why would an X-Box be any different ?
If the temperature of an object you come into contact with is 149 degrees Fahrenheit, it would take about 2 seconds to cause a third degree burn... that's about as much as you'd need to start "cooking" the eggs too.
So... scary-looking, yet absolutely normal.
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Yes! You too can make Slashdot posts out of simple math! Just to show how much confidence I have in my system, for a limited time I will tell you that 0.6 miles equals 1 (yes, ONE!) kilometer!
By the way, the article body is misleading... that water wasn't BOILING, it was EVAPORATING.
Quite fast, agreed, but I doubt he could make water actually boil in a small tin can placed on the heatsink.
And by how "fast" he got his hands out of the way from the heatsink before the egg experiment, if that sink would have been at over 100 celsius, he would have at least second degree burns on his fingers (he didn't even seem to get first degree burns by the way).
All in all, I'd have to say, that heatsink musthave been somewhere in the vicinity of 80-85 degrees Celsius (~180 F)... and the chip underneath probably at around 90-95 Celsius.
Heck, that's what, proper cofee-serving temperature ? Heh.
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Ok, no need to mod me up. This is not informative at all. I just wanted to take this post away from karma wh**es
I'll cook some scrambled eggs off a heat sink from the xBox 360. How do I get to look really stupid on Slashdot? By using a metal fork! Well done.
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As per the linked article: "Some dude by the name of Brett has gotten the dreaded Three Red Lights of Death on his Xbox 360,"
Does the Three Red Lights of Death have any relationship to the MS Windows Blue Screen of Death?
Same shit, just different colour.
.. but I'll wait for the XBox 361 with wok adapter.
I used to work in an Activision-owned studio. One day the IT guy comes through trying to with our power issues. He insists that we move the little dorm fridge (where we keep all the Coca Cola that powers us programmers) onto another circuit to help with the issue.
So, complaining, we do. And go back to work on our 20-odd brand-spankin'-new Xbox 360 dev kits.
Only later do I look at the back of the fridge and determine that it uses only half the power of a SINGLE Xbox 360.
It's amazing the entire building didn't catch fire when we had all those things plugged in.
Okay, so, he's got the hot grits...
I'm sure we've run this joke into the ground by now.
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mmmmmmm heat sink cooked scrambled eggs..
So many choices, so little tolerance.
I'd like to see the PS3 do this. If Sony's offering can't make me a bacon sandwich then I'll just have to stick with Microsoft for all my culinary needs.
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... you get the second call from Otis in Dead Rising, the egg's soft boiled?
Why is there a music track instead of commentry?
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It may be a problem for the processor. If the heatsink is at 75 Celsius, the CPU might be at 90-100 Celsius which is above the maximum specified case temperature for some X86 models (don't know about the XBOX processor). Besides, semiconductors age faster at high temperatures, so I'd really prefer to have my CPU running at a nice moderate 60 Celsius or less.
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What processor can sit happy at 75 Celsius? My Athlon 64 3400+ never goes above 45 degrees Celsius, and if it hit 70 degrees Celsius, the safety cuts in and shuts the computer down.
So, I'll ask again: What processor used in modern day PCs runs happily at 75 degrees Celsius?
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The Core series of chips runs extremely happily at over 70C, I routinely have my Macbook maxed out at between 70C and 80C when encoding video.
What are these karma whales you're talking about?
Temperature doesn't mean anything - it's heat dissipation that matters. Here's more basic math for ya:
I have 1 gram of water at 100 degC and that is my heat sink. Let's say I then have 10 grams of egg. Let's say the heat capacity of egg is the same as water. Let's say the egg is current room temperature of 20 degC. If no energy is added to the (water)heat sink, the equilibrium temperature between the egg and the water will only be about 27 degC, which is nowhere near enough to cook egg. Now, let's assume that the heat sink is currently dissipating 100W. If we just put water on that, that means we'd heat 1 gram of water (if it was absorbing all the energy) at around 24 degC/sec (about 3 seconds to reach boiling temperature) - so it appears that the heat sink has the capability to dish out quite a bit more than 100W (I don't know if this is a combination of the thermal dissipation from the circuit or a release of the energy that is stored in the heatsink; it's probably a combination of both).
That's the scary thing - not that it's hot, but that it *stays* hot!
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My Athlon XP 2500+ idles happily at 65 degrees, and goes up to 75 under load. At first I was mildly concerned, but after four years, I'm no longer so worried. :)
It uses specialized/modified IBM powerPc processors.
You mad
Only if you ask McDonald's :) 180F water is extremely hot and carries much more energy than water at 145F, therefore taking much longer to cool down, passing much more heat to the cooling medium (ie your leg, etc.)
he... ate... it... ouch...
Maybe Oreilly should come out with a "Xbox 360 Cookbook" book to add to their cookbook series.
Does anyone have a direct video link? To the media itself, not a youtube page which can only be played with flash.
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Well, off-topic enough already... but... I don't think that's "as MacDonalds say", it's the PROPER way.
http://www.boyds.com/coffee/brewingguide.html
Serving
Serve coffee as soon after brewing as possible. Coffee loses flavor and aroma quickly. If brewed coffee must be "held" on a direct heat source, it should be held at 185F, and for no longer than 20 minutes. Higher temperatures cause coffee to break down quickly, producing a bitter and flat taste. Lower temperatures make the brew too cold and consumers will be dissatisfied. Reheating brewed coffee breaks down the components of the coffee and results in an undesirable flavor.
Thermal servers are the best way to hold brewed coffee at the proper serving temperature because they are insulated, airtight, and no direct heat is applied to the coffee. Sealed containers prevent evaporation and retain aromatic compounds. The best insulated and sealed servers, if preheated with hot water, may hold coffee at acceptable serving temperatures for several hours.
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Closing my eye for the moment to the word 'modern' in your post, I'll respond that my 1.4GHz AMD Athlon sits *idle* at 72*C. That series has been known --and designed-- to routinely rise to around 110*C.
... it was cooking the rest of my hw.
Not that I think that's great in any way
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OT Agreed, but since we're heading down this track.
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In the case of fast food coffee, there has to be a balance struck with safety. Water at 180F is not safe. And I would hardly compare McDonald's coffee to Boyds
"Temperature doesn't mean anything - it's heat dissipation that matters. Here's more basic math for ya:"
Pass the doobie, man!
"I have 1 gram of water at 100 degC and that is my heat sink. Let's say I then have 10 grams of egg."
How, praytell, are you going to submerge (let alone cook) a 10 g egg in 1 g of water? Realisticly, the egg will be 1 hg and the water will be around 3 hg.
"so it appears that the heat sink has the capability to dish out quite a bit more than 100W (I don't know if this is a combination of the thermal dissipation from the circuit or a release of the energy that is stored in the heatsink; it's probably a combination of both)."
What you're missing is that the (hypothetical) 100 W output is when the heat sink is submerged in air.
The heat sink is designed to dissipate heat in air, a fluid that is remarkably good at thermal insulation (fiberglass insulation works by trapping air pockets within it). This is why heat sinks look the way they do, to maximize the surface area to squeeze every last bit of heat conductivity out of the surrounding air. Forced airflow helps as well, because stagnant hot air absorbs less heat than if it is constantly replaced with cooler air.
Comparing the thermal conductivity of air to water is like comparing the electrical conductivity of air to copper. The difference is usually around a factor of 30. Submerge the same heat sink in water rather than air, and you will get a lot more heat out of it. All things being equal, that 1 hW output will jump to 3 kW.
Of course, this is all if you submerge the heat sink. The heat sink is not a pinpoint that 1 g of water can submerge (otherwise it'd be a lousy heat sink). If instead we're talking about locallized exposure to water while the rest of the heat sink must continue to work with air, you get not only the heat from the heat source, but also the heat from the dry portions of the heat sink, suddenly realizing there is now a path of lesser resistance, will move to put even more W/m^2 out of the wet portions of the heat sink than you'd see if the entire heat sink was submerged (at least until the water boils off and all those disappointed little calories have to go back to trying to work with air).
"That's the scary thing - not that it's hot, but that it *stays* hot!"
Conductor stays hot while electical current continues to move through it! Film at 11!
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As a coffee fanatic, I'd mod you up if I had the points (despite your being almost off topic.)
I've been able to move my relatives to thermal servers when they serve coffee over longer periods of time, and it's helped them get their coffee up to palatable.
OTOH, I generally drink espresso from a Livia 90 automatic (not super automatic, but not a level system.) The beans are ground 30 seconds before extraction, and the espresso is consumed 3-5 minutes from extraction time. That way, it's never cold...but who could resist fresh espresso anyway?
So, I'll ask again: What processor used in modern day PCs runs happily at 75 degrees Celsius?
T42p's that go north of 80 with heavy graphics activity, and sometimes sit well at 90C (not recommended, is a sign of fan failure if pegged at 90C/60C)
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I have a 360 waiting to be opened by my kids on xmas morning. You can bet a cooler will also be under the tree!
the AMD 760MP with two AthlonMP 1.2GHz was the hottest system I ever used. One day one of the cores melt down due to a failure of the ventilation fan, it was like a volcano, spurting hot liquid metal until a short circuit took the system down with a big explosion.
Does the US really not have a sale of goods act? Regardless of warrenty you could return that for free repair in the UK.
My Celeron D 2.93ghz runs around 75-80c under load and has been doing so for about a year now. This isn't even with the stock Intel heatsink/fan, although I forget the brand.
Yeah, the heatsink's pretty hot being able to cook an egg and everything. Wonder if they bothered to watch the video before posting it, because it's really hard to read black text on a dark background.
This has to be one of the best responses to one of my not-so-well-thought-out-at-6-am posts ever. :-)
I have to agree with everything you said. And yeah, I didn't really think through my trying to cook 10g of egg with 1g of water. Too bad 'preview' does not catch sanity errors...
The one comment I have that is more on-topic: If a heatsink transfer to water or egg is greater than in air, which I agree with, that will mean that the temperature of the heatsink will drop faster for a given input energy. I'm assuming that the CPU under the heatsink does not increase to compensate for the extra outflow from the heatsink, so, since outflow > inflow, the temperature of the heatsink will drop. Maybe a better experiment would be "at what rate do you have to cook eggs on the heatsink to drop its temperature down to 50 degC"?
"There are a dozen opinions on a matter until you know the truth. Then there is only one." - CS Lewis (paraprhase)
Ditto for me, and the radeon board chucks along at about 82 celcius - the great thing is to use my case to rest my feet, gets nice n warm during long gaming hours.
I am not a small child; I want the pointy scissors, the dangerous superglue instead of paste and if I need to spray for bugs, give me something that is poison. I can take the responsibility if I eat it.
The problem has nothing to do with the water being "safe" or not... the problem is people demanding that it be "safe" and that "safe" status enforced through legal action. I'd imagine far more people have died choking on McDonalds food than have been harmed by their hot coffee. I'd bet that more people have died in the drive through, and I'll bet there are more health related issues from their fatty foods than from the temperature of any beverage.
There does not have to be a balance of safety, it just has to be clear what it is. Bug spray is poison, scissors are sharp, coffee is hot. Ignore these things and you will hurt yourself, but the problem isn't the bug spray maker, the office supply store or the restaurant... the problem is the assumption that it is incumbent upon the world to provide a "child safe" environment for the adult population. Put the bug spray in the coffee cup and sell it as coffee, and I'll agree that there's a problem, but that's not what happened. Dangerous things should exist and be sold in the world -- and yes, people will get hurt as a result. That's called adult life.
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(Open faceview actress holding egg.)
"This is your CPU."
(Top view of frying pan on stovetop.)
"This is overclocking."
(Hand with egg enters frame and cracks egg into pan. Egg sizzles in hot pan.)
"This is your CPU overclocking. Any Questions?"
(Endit. Credits. Fadeout.)
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Microsoft will be moving to a 65nm process in the first quarter of 2007. This should result in a significant reduction in the heat and power consumption. It is the main reason I'm not buying one yet. Whether Microsoft will reduce the price of the console when the make the change is up in the air, but it will almost certainly cut the price at some time.
...hot things can cook food. Story at eleven.
The Quadro FX 2500M sitting in this system doesn't even speed throttle until 102C. It runs between 50-75C happily all day long.
I've discussed this with Americans in the past and it does seem to be that way i.e. they have a manufacturers warranty only. However, most people in the UK incorrectly think we are the same and the sales people perpetuate this myth. For those not in the know, you can up to around six years of warranty. It's all down to how long you would "reasonably" expect the item to last.
WRONG. Only boxes made before january 06 are coverd. My box was a February box and I had to eat it.
The newer 360's don't have a heating problem as long as you keep them with decent airflow. I know it seems silly but just treat it like a computer more than a vcr and you should be fine. Also, it was like last week or so that microsoft decided that a 3rd party cooler could void your warrenty: firstly because the added fans were over tasking the interior fans and secondly because there was numerous reports of the 3rd party fans frying the power adapter on the back of 360's. In short they do pump out alot of heat, but as long as you give them the air space to kick that heat out and it will be fine.
My old CPU (Athlon XP-M 2600+ in a desktop OCed from 2.0-2.8GHz) ran AT MOST 60 degrees Celsius. That was in a warm room under load.
My current CPU (Athlon64 3000+ in a desktop OCed from 1.8-1.935GHz) runs regularly around 31 degrees Celsius. Under heavy load, it hits 38. In the winter when my room gets cold, it even drops to about 28 degrees.
The coldest I've ever seen a CPU run on air cooling was my 2600+ (from above) when I had the intake for the CPU heatsink fan ducted out of my window. On a 12 degree Fahrenheit day, the CPU idled at 14 degrees Celsius.
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Actually, if you check here http://www.badalijewelry.com/tolkien.htm (and you can read about the licensing of them here: http://www.badalijewelry.com/forging.htm, which may or may not be valid still). But the rings cost differently depending on what metal you order them in ($480 for the One True Ring in 10k gold up to $896 in 22k yellow gold). You can read the rest of the site to see how much it would cost to have the entire collection.
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The real question is what is that heat sink made out of? What sort of odd chemicals might be on that thing? I'd not be willing to eat an egg cooked on that grill as it might have led or other nasty stuff on it. Even if he washed it before it might still leach poisons into the egg. Bad move guy, hope you don't get poisoned. I bet that is about normal for a possessor around that level on most all computers.
Thermal depolymerization - Lazy recycling.
Not only that, but he removed the fans for the heatsinks to reach that temperature.
I think that will soon be available as an upgrade. The XBox played DVDs, the XBox 360 cooks eggs.
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Maybe it's that the processor throttled down at a max heat capacity but didn't lock. Maybe it was processing some info for the XBox360 that made it hotter when it throttled back up immediately in response to a drop of a degree or something. All pure speculation but funny to think that a "locked up" machine will do that.
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What a dork.
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
No, it equals 1 kilometre.