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Windows Vista Released To Manufacturing
Many readers wrote in to make sure we know that Microsoft execs have signed off on the code and Windows Vista has been and released to manufacturing. As APC put it, "It's good to go — or as good as it is going to be until the first round of patching begins." CNN has a good roundup of Vista's long development history.
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I like muppets.
Thought it said "Windows Vista Release Malfunctioning", can't imagin why I would of thought that....
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
Woohoo, Vista is here! It must be 2003 already! Oh wait...
Have Symantec solved their issues with Microsoft? If not, be prepared for an even louder rant from Symantec. Adobe should also watch out. For me, I doubt I will touch this Vista thingie anytime soon. Windows 2K and Xandros are still doing OK for me.
Amazingly, the summary has an error, the link is to a CNET article, not a CNN article. It doesn't make much sense for CNN to be covering the RTM of an operating system.
Remember it's not a bug, it's a feature...
the torrent of the .iso image?
2003 was the release date of Duke Nukem Forever, which we already all played to the bone.
How did the guy who tags all the other articles "itsatrap" miss this one?
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
Top level comments only?
Its just eaten 2 comments, well they exist in my history but not in the flow.
There is a gremlin in the database.
liqbase
Only here on slashdot could a new OS get POUNDED (appropriately so) and still have everyone asking for a copy...
Does anyone else find it funny that after all the delays to Vista, the RTM was delayed by like 2 weeks? I mean, they "launch" to major businesses at month's end, I'm glad they're getting the code out a bit before the launch.
It compiles! Ship it!!
We are the people our parents warned us about.
How doon before zero day hacks? mailto:ITGAdmin.Prod@sherwin.com
With each release Windows becomes more bloated and bug ridden, and it takes more time for a release. For the avearage consumer, computer OS's have reached maturity - there is really very little motivation for the average user to upgrade from XP to Vista (unlike going from DOS to Windows 3.1, or Windows 3.1 to Win 95 etc. which were huge changes). How much longer can this continue? Is anyone else convinced that this will be the last version of Windows as we know it?
Your post reminds me of one of the main reasons I don't use Windows: I don't want to deal with companies like Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee and Adobe.
My data is too valuable to become victim to the insecure software of Microsoft. My time is too valuable to be wasted trying to clear my system of malware.
My system's performance is too important to be hindered by anti-virus software, be it from Symantec, McAfee, or any other anti-virus software vendor.
I also do not want to use crash-prone software like Adobe Acrobat Reader, which often takes down the web browser when using it as plugin to view PDFs online.
I know there are many alternatives for the products put out by the big name companies. But again, I don't want to spend hours tracking down this software, and then dealing with any installation problems. That's why I use NetBSD. Between its solid core, excellent development team and pkgsrc, I can get easy and fast access to all of the software I need. And I don't need to install performance-degrading anti-virus software, nor do I worry about malware infections. Best of all, it just plain works.
"until the first round of patching begins."
AKA Vista 2008
Never play chicken with a passive aggressive.
Someone is either seriously paranoid or is abusing his right to tag the summaries.
What's the point with those tags anyway? Are they mini-posts or what? They certainly can't be used for searching...
And by SP2 all the older Office apps will be crippled forcing an upgrade to the Vista Office suite. Just think of the billions of dollars taken out of the world wide economy that could have been spent on REAL business improvements.
Too lazy to create a sig...
I'm having good vista out of my window...
-Seeing the problem is ½ of solution-
will Linus send them a cake?
From TFA:
Really? If each new release of Windows is marketed as the highest-quality, most secure, most reliable and most usable version of Windows then why has each new release of Windows had more security patches released than the previous version?
Just look at the amount of holes that have been plugged since XP SP2 was released. The heck with waiting for Vista SP1, I'm telling my clients to steer clear of Vista all together until Microsoft stops releasing patches to new vulnerabilities found in XP.
... every time you install Vista a penguin loses its wings.
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Seriously, the tagging is rapidly dissolving into childish rubbish (even by Slashdot's standards). I'm fed up of seeing every story getting tagged with "itsatrap". Can it be removed or can the lameness filter be extended to the tags?
Summation 2
The other day, MS was trying to convince business to install both Vista and Office 2007 at the same time saying it would be easier on companies. If you read this article, MS basically provides a counter point why companies should not:
Given MS long history of releases and patches and patches to fix patches, only fools would not take on two simultaneous large scale MS deployments at once.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I know! lets install vista into R2-D2
Stunning profits as soon as it's pre-installed on millions of PCs worldwide.
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Given enough personal experience, all stereotypes are shallow.
I saw the news piece in a headline on CNN.com. It read "Vista is done." I was sorely disappointed when I read that "done" meant finished rather than "done for," "kaput," or "ain't gonna happen."
Well, it was a pleasant dream while it lasted...
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
2003 is already here! This is going to rock!. Funny how conan is still singing about the year 2000. Silly conan.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
...By the ragging hormones of young females lawyers, horny at the tought of sue you..., hey, this is a porn site!
Or, in MS terms, "Service Pack 2".
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'm a power user and developer, and I can't see a compelling reason to upgrade from Win2K Pro. Any suggestions?
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Congratulations to all at Microsoft for getting Vista out of the door. Heard the good news this morning at the EVO Roadshow in Bristol, United Kingdom. Just thought I'd post the first non-insulting message, that's all.
Not because we need the new features or the new gadgets, but because MS will not implement (and now won't allow to implement) drivers for new hardware, and they will stop patching bugs and security holes in old software. In short: They drop support, so you have to upgrade.
Look at NT4.0. Basically, unless you're fond of games, this is all you really needed. Unless you want to use USB sticks. Because there is no (official) USB support for NT4.
Win2k. Even if you're into games, this is all you would ever need. Unfortunately even the worst security bugs ain't being fixed anymore for this system. So you can use it... and be a spam chucker because some holes will never be fixed.
WinXP. Now, could you ask for any MORE flashing lights and convenience? Is there anything missing? Well, there will be, because there will be no DirectX 10 for XP, and games will sooner or later requre DX10 or refuse to run.
So in a nutshell, no, there is no imminent need to switch to a new system. MS creates that need.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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No, it is not a feature, it's a trap!
"CNN has a good roundup of Vista's long development history" links to CNET, and doesn't have a history of what became Vista.
You joke, but you can actually download the ISO of RC1 freely from Microsoft (without having to jump through lots of hoops - assuming you have a Passport [MSN/Hotmail/X-Box Live] account already, or don't mind creating one). You need to give your details to get a licence key (which is immediately presented, and emailed to you for good measure), and you can use it on up to 10 PC's.
You must apply for a licence before November 30th to get a serial number though! If you do purchase it you can upgrade to the full release (i.e. you won't have to wipe your existing install). I actually think that's pretty cool. It makes me wonder why - as far as I can tell - you can't just 'unlock it' on line by paying for it with a credit card (the way I buy most of my Windows games now - e.g. through Stream or from similar systems like EA Downloader). I would expect that to cut down casual piracy amoung lazy people who can't be bothered to work out how to get round the 'activation/validation' that's increasingly required.
Have a look at http://slashdot.org/tags
Not that I agree with the idiots that are spamming the tags...
got their photocopier running at full speed? Took their time, too.
"Widows Fister" brings up completely different stuff...
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
So DRM seems to work.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
But eventually the bloat will cause MS to release a "minimalist" OS in the same way they reduced some of the bloat on Office (alledgedly) and market this new found slimline look as a feature (in the same way cars slowly grow in size and suddenly they're too big and get shrunk down again - then start to grow again). Who knows what the long term futures holds , Windows could either predominate, be overtaken by Linux or OS/X or some other OS/hardware combo which doesn't even exist yet or there could be a complete paradigm shift in the types of computers we use. Perhaps in 20 years we'll all be typing into a self programming neural net.
Which is offset by having one more paperclip off the streets and gainfully employed.
It seems that Microsoft is wanting to stop people buying a volume license key and installing it on unlimited computers. They have new Volume Activation 2.0 now that gives you a central activation server or a multiple activation key now. My new volume license key is now available at their page also. I just need the iso now...
"All that compiles is not gold."
Or will we still have to keep a god-damned floppy drive in our PCs to boot into the recovery console?
The profits they make on pre-installed Vista PCs will be balanced by the reduction of profits from pre-installed XP home machines.
Now if only Blizzard could do the same with Burning Crusade
This blows me away...RC2 to GM in 60 seconds?
My overall opinion of Vista (after beta testing) is that it is an Admin's nightmare.
How can this be ready for production?
I will be running it. I enjoy all the bugs, glitchs, hax as well as new tools/tech. Same reason i play games more in beta stages.
/shrug
if these things did not exist.. bordom
no games are really ready yet for V..
Kill your TV
Since they abandoned the longhorn kernel and have merely modified the Windows 2003 Server kernel, Vista's core has been out in the wild for some time now. For all intents and purposes, Vista could be released as a service pack for 2003.
...But I digress. TREMBLE PUNY HUMANS!ONE DAY MY SPECIES WILL DESTROY YOU ALL!
Does it run on linux?
Most people aren't thought about after they're gone. "I wonder where Rob got the plutonium" is better than most get.
I think I'll wait for Vista SP1.
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Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them? --Abraham Lincoln
I have tried all versions of Vista since 2002/3 and while it showed a lot of promise back then today it is just a disappointment.
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I really hate what they have done with the UI, it looks and feels cheep, it looks unfinished and inconsistent between applications.
I have waited as long as possible but when I used RC2 and still disliked it I decided that I was going to make the switch and today I have done just that
I just bought myself a 15" 2.33Ghz MacBook Pro. Yes it was expensive but not more expensive than an identical spec Dell or HP laptop (which are of much lower build quality when I compared them side by side in my local John Lewis)*
So in around 7 days time I will have my nice new MacBook Pro. I am a little nervous about switching however I have spent the past 15 months researching it and have borried an old iMac G5 from a friend to try it out and I think I will be very happy on OS X. A great bonus for me is that I no longer have to spend money on Visual Studio as Xcode comes included making a Mac a MUCH cheaper platform for me
* I did not purchase from John Lewis, Apple gave me a much better deal on the phone.
I want duke nukem forever.
So I guess if you change the name from "Chicago", the project schedule starts anew, and the previous decade of effort doesn't count. :p :D :p
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Comes bundled with a free pair of handcuffs!
What the hell just happened to the "Reply to this" links - they were here a minute ago. Slashdot's best asset is the quality of the discussions, and that's only possible because of nested comments!
This story follows the one about turning sewer waste into energy...how appropriate.
;-)
Cheers.
I wish this had been released back when they originally said it would be. If they've improved the security as much as they say they have this should drive down the number of zombies that are responsible for spam and comment spam etc...
Haven't the /. devs. learned about a DEVELOPMENT server? This horseshit of developing the "new comment system" on the LIVE SITE is bloody amateurish, and totally unneccessary.
The "Reply" bugs that everyone is bitching about have already eaten one of my posts today.
Amateurs. Go work for Microsoft. They actually EMPLOY coders like you!
damn. I've been running RC1, but as soon as it's released I'm downgrading back to XP to avoid the thousands of security problems.
What happened to release candidates? Are they making RC2 gold or are they releasing something that hasn't been tested?
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
Anyone have any idea what editions this involves? I'm not sure if the consumer one is delayed so they have more time to churn out discs for distribution, or if they needed more time to work on some of the features in the consumer editions.
In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
Keep in mind that for the most part and for the average person, there is no compelling reason to upgrade. The costs of the OS, even to upgrade, are very high (most people have XP and it does more than the average person needs).
The majority of the costs are going to be in the hardware upgrades. I know that gets vendors all excited. The average person just doesn't need to have someone who is foaming at the mouth about upgrades trying to sell those to people who just don't need them. Be fair to the customers and sell them what they need. If they come in about vista be honest and tell them about it, and that it includes no compelling reasons to upgrade and that if they do choose to upgrade they will be asking for high costs without any real payback.
Warn them about the DRM infections and the privacy violations built into it with the Microsoft Genuine Advantage Notifications, the potential to be cut off the next boot, etc.
Also let them know that Vista is in the first release with known bugs some minor and most certainly some major ones (that weren't caught). Let them know there problems with hardware drivers and that few if any programs (except Office 2007) actually include any Vista features.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
Does anyone see a dotbackslash.org coming? If so, you can say you saw dotbackslash.org on slashdot.org first!
Ten times fast now!
So does this mean it will, in fact, make it in time for the PC manufacturers to make it in time for the Christmas rush?
Er, holiday rush?
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
I, for one, welcome our new Duke overlords. They shall verily Nukem their foes, and shall surely rule Forever.
This is the first release of Windows which followed Microsoft's Secure Development Lifecycle. So it would be a real test of SDL when it is deployed on machines of millions of customers. Now what XP users who intend to stay on XP need is XP SP3, merging code bases of Server 2003 and XP and adding IE7 and WMP11 to it. This would take care of a lot of security problems and make serviceability of XP easier. I wonder if Microsoft will do that.
Oh why must I wait until I'm forced into retirement for Nukem but
have to support in the very near future a crowd of "Vistaneers"(TM)?!
Again my phone will bludgeon my ears with stories of woe from
clients who should have spent the money on new PC's for Vista
but went ahead anyways and upgraded their OS instead, and now
will want me to "fix it".
Maybe after all these years, Vista will be my call to better my golf game.
But I will feel guilty about these clients left in the hands of the "Geek Squads"...
Oh well...
End of Line.
I will install it the day it's on MSDN. I've been through the Beta, and I think it's the best thing that happened to usable operating systems since Linux.
When we go download copies of the ultimate edition, we gotta make sure we don't download a beta, er i mean release candidate, er... nevermind.
Seriously... anyone know the build id?
I heard the next release of Duke will be for Vista only.
What's the point with those tags anyway? Are they mini-posts or what? They certainly can't be used for searching...
Indeed, they have no point. They are a typical example of something that sounds good on paper, in a meeting, etc, but actually doesn't work at all in practice, because the human element wasn't factored in. Sounds like Vista, actually! Since every tag is the same, it conveys no signal, just noise. So here's the noise you have to subtract to make it even slightly useful:
yes, no, maybe, fud, notfud, itsatrap, itsnotatrap, duh, doh, oops, haha, wtf
Windows not need antivirus? Yeah right. Usually within a week of the release they're already releasing the patches to cover the security flaws. Viruses constantly exploit stuff like this. And what about trojans? Is Vista going to stop an email download in transit to catch them? I don't think so. They'll make a virus proof version of windows when Andrew Dice Clay becomes the grand pope.
- Floyd