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FCC Sued to Allow Cell Phone Jammers
stevew writes "A small company in Florida is trying to take on the FCC in an attempt to make their Cell phone jamming product legal. Their main argument seems to be that the Communications act of 1934 conflicts with the HomeLand Security Act — so the Communications act has to go." From the article: "Local and state law enforcement agencies, which would be the first responders to a terrorist attack here at home, are prohibited by law from obtaining such gear. 'It just doesn't make much sense that the FBI can use this equipment, but that the local and state governments, which the Homeland Security Act has acknowledged as being an important part of combating terrorism, cannot,' said Howard Melamed, chief executive of CellAntenna. 'We give local police guns and other equipment to protect the public, but we can't trust them with cellular-jamming equipment? It doesn't make sense.'"
Please?
What would be the possible point of giving them cellular jamming equipment? It would serve almost no useful purpose at all. Do people seriously believe there will be a time where it will be useful? That terrorists will launch some form of attack that isn't a 1 2 hit, like a ground assault or something? People need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that this kind of thing is ridiculous and retarded.
To the best of my knowledge there is no constitutional requirement that Congress behave rationally.
Therefore it is totally constitutional for one law to explicitly forbid the best method of achieving an objective cited in a later law. They need to talk to Congress, not the courts.
They would affect all cell users including emergency responders adversely. Couldn't a capability be built into the network instead to reject all calls except those from phones with certain ID numbers? It should only be used if there's a suspicion that someone's about to trigger a bomb by phone or some similar type of situation, of course.
-b.
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He has a valid point - the law is hypocrital.
The Feds should ALSO be banned from using cell phone jammers.
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Please just put them in movie theaters. That's what EVERYBODY wants. Change the law already.
(I have some sympathy for those of you who must carry pagers to stay in contact with work. You're going to have to sacrifice movies... I'm sorry.)
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FTFA: "Equipment made by companies such as CellAntenna that can jam or block cellular signals is used by the U.S. military in Iraq to help protect convoys traveling through known trouble spots."
Great. The US is not Iraq, and frankly, it seems the police can't be trusted with tasers. I am sure we give the military in Iraq, and federal agents, access to all sorts of other stuff I really don't want my local deputy, Jimmy-joe-bob, getting his paws on.
Frankly, this is just more FUD bullshit security theater. Cellphone jammers won't help the police one bit, and will only add to the potential for abuse/misuse by the police. This lawsuit is nothing but a ploy from a company that wants to join the halliburton gravy train. GSM can be jammed somewhat as far as I know, but my understanding (correct me if you know and I am wrong) is that CMDA/WCDMA have much more immunity to jamming. CDMA phones aren't very prevalent in Iraq, but they are here. Furthermore, this only works if you know where (within a small radius) an explosive device [that was to be detonated by cellphone] is/willbe.. so really all it encourages is either wasteful spending on useless devices, or spending on devices that will be permanently setup in "high risk" place.. which will only serve to 1: encourage the 'terrorists' to figure a way around cellphone jamming, 2: erode our rights further.
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I paid for my cellphone so I get to use it when I want. Personal cell phone jammers should never be allowed. Only movie theaters and the like should be allowed to use these, nobody else. And even then, I really, really, REALLY don't like the idea. Why can't one person in a theater of 400 get up and go ask a manager to kick somebody out? He won't kick them out? There's 25 other people around whoever is talking that are also very pissed off. I'm sure 25*$8 is a lot of money to a movie theater, they might think twice if a few other people go up and voice their opinion too.
Cell phones haven't been much of a problem in the theaters I've been too (in Atlanta, where you would expect this to be an issue), certainly not enough of one to warrant use of a cell phone jammer.
I'm sure what is topping the Police Christmas Wish List this year is a cell phone CAMERA jamming device. Cell phones themselves are likely of little concern, but those damn cameras are causing nothing but trouble.
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He would love to jam cell phones for his classroom.
Sure, if I was a teacher I'd also love to jam those cell phones up their... umm wait a sec.
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It doesn't make sense.'"
If it doesn't make sense, you MUST acquit! I rest my case..
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...about how saying that the Homeland Security act is "acknowledged as being an important part of combating terrorism". I think it's an otherwise valid argument (although the bit about the long-established act having to be removed for a brand-new one is slightly disconcerting), but that line put me off.
Also, (since I'm too lazy to Google it) what else does the Communications Act cover, and how good of an idea is it to "have it go"?
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It seems they are referring to Scrambling not Jamming. Scrambling as in, you can't intercept and hear the audio.
No, they're talking about jamming. Not just the audio, but the control signals.
The issue is that terrorists have used the ringer/vibrator on cellphones as an easy way to build a radio remote trigger for bombs. They can plant the bomb, key in the bomb's phone number, watch until the target is next to the bomb, and hit "send". BANG!
A jammer on a convoy creates a bubble around it within which the cell control signals won't ring the bomb's cellphone. The convoy rolls past the bomb, the bomber hits send, and he gets the recorded voice that says the bomb's cellphone is not available, so please leave a message.
(I bet some of the messages are a bit spicy. B-) )
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One of the theaters I visit now has one. You turn on a cell phone in the building and are lucky to get one bar. In one of the showing rooms you won't get any bars. Go outside and it will probably got back up to 4 or 5.
I've always wanted a cell phone zapper for when I'm driving, to kill the signal of those idiots driving while blathering away in 3 packed lanes, with lane switchers run amok. Small wonder there are so many accidents on that stretch of road. By the time a driver on a phone has realised the brake lights of the car ahead of them are on it's too late.
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Cell phones weren't common in school when I went in the 80s, but GameBoys were. GameBoys weren't specifically banned, but a lot of teachers' policy was that if they were *used* in class and the user got caught, they'd be confiscated and returned to the parents. If the parents chose not to come in and pick them up within a week, they would no longer be available for pickup.
-b.
A regulated short-range device that sends a "block non-emergency calls" signal.
This device would be legal on private property and some government property.
Then a cell phone call for 911 (and other registered emergency numbers). The cell phone would detect block signal, relay "in a blocked zone" to the tower...network. Then the call would only be connected if emergency number.
Or, I guess some "Do-not-cell" database which relied on GPS.
But "jamming" seems to be the wrong approach.
What if a doctor missed an important call?
I'm a doctor. And when I'm at a movie I turn my telephone OFF. That's why we have availability schedules, secretaries, answering services and the like. And if it's THAT MUCH of an emergency, you call 911. How am I going to be able to help you on the phone in a life and death situation anyway?
As for the parent in the movie theater with a "sick child", once again - perhaps a little more organizing is necessary. If you absolutely can't be out of phone contact - are you sure you can be out of physical contact? Again what can you do on the phone? Either the person who is looking after the child is competent or not. If they're not - why are you leaving a child with them? Nah this is just excuses to justify habitual cell phone use. Humanity survived for many generations without cell phones. Being out of contact for an hour and a half is not going to kill someone.
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Well, they gave you a few examples in the article, viz.:
(1) To let states jam cell-phone communications in state prisons, so that prisoners can't make unmonitored calls to the outside. Here is an NPR story on the surprising number of cell phones smuggled into prisons and their sometimes unfortunate uses. From the article:
In several criminal cases, inmates have used cell phones to run gangs operating outside of prison, to put hits out on people, to organize drug-smuggling operations and, in one case, trade gold bullion on international markets.
Er...speaking as a citizen juror, I don't much care about cons trading gold bullion from inside the pen, ha ha, but the idea that putting away a drug gang kingpin won't affect his ability to run his gang at all is a bit...disturbing.
(2) To let police jam cell phones during a raid, so that, for example, any lookouts posted won't be able to communicate back to headquarters and tip off the targest of the raid. This is elementary warfighting: you certainly jam the enemy's communications during an operation if you can, because surprise reduces casualties all around. I hope you agree that significant criminal enterprises qualify as an 'enemy' against whom we'd like the police to take action. (That is, I hope you don't think the police shouldn't be able to conduct effective raids at all. Whether they should conduct them more carefully, or only with greater justification is, of course, an unrelated separate question.)
The business about blocking bombs is a bit of a bogus red herring, agreed, but if you read the article you'll see it was the journalist that raised this point, and not the people who make the jamming equipment. They only talked about the use of the equipment in police raids and so forth. It was the (typically, sensation-seeking) newsman who decided to write about cell phones and bombs.
On the other hand, the point of the 1934 Communications Act is not as silly as the jamming equipment maker suggests: clearly the Commerce Act gives Congress the power to regulate radio communication, as very little is more interstate than radio. Furthermore, it makes sense (or at least made sense in 1934) to prohibit every state and dinky locality from making its own separate (and probably conflicting) rules about who can jam radio signals, and when and how. It would lead to a cacaphony, a completely unworkeable patchwork of regulation of the radio spectrum. (For similar reasons, the use of international-range radio is subject to several important international treaties.)
However, those were the days when "radio" typically only meant HF, long radio waves that could at least go a few hundred miles, if not several thousand. I doubt there was much thought given to the modern situation, where we have millions of low-powered radios (e.g. cell phones) operating at very high frequencies, with ranges of a mile or two at most, and networks of repeaters to help the signal get around. So there are, indeed, good arguments that this is a situation not anticipated by Congress in 1934, and some kind of review of the Communications Act makes sense. Maybe state and local jurisdictions should be allowed to deploy jamming equipment the way they see fit, if it's only going to have any effect within the jurisdiction. It's hard, after all, to see why Pittsburgh's City Council shouldn't be able to make the rules for jamming cell phones within the city limits -- and the Feds should.
Presumably this cell-jammer maker hopes to prod Congress into revisiting the Communications Act by this suit, which otherwise seems hopeless on the merits. (There's no way the Act can be unconstitutional merely because the Homeland Security Act can be interpreted as contradicting it. Courts are required to read legislation in such a way as to minimize conflicts. Hence if it's at all possible to read the Homeland Security Act in such a way that it doesn't conflict with the Communications Act -- and I'm sure it is -- then that's the way the Courts have to interpret it.)
While I agree that people who talk on their cell phone in a movie theater deserver to die in a painful, gruesome, stabbed-to-death-with-your-cell-phone's-antenna kinda way, cell phone jamming would bring too much liability to the owner of the theater, library, etc.
What if there was a device that would simply notify the management automatically that there was a transmission of sufficient power to be a conversation or text message coming from auditorium three, and he could then send one of his employees to investigate and boot the offending jackass. That way, in the event of an emergency, the projector could be shut down, the lights brought on, and the auditorium evacuated so the paramedics don't have to climb over the rubberneckers. In the event that it's just Joe Jackoff calling his honey, he could be quietly booted with no refund.
I think that would work a lot better, and save the whole "Doctor on call" situation from occurring.
A good cell phone jammer should not be transmitting a garbage signal to compete with the legitimate coverage. It should be an intelligent base station encouraging the cellphones to register. It would then provide a much stronger signal than the more distant real base stations, which would then be disregarded by the mobiles.
The most significant FCC objection to cellphone jammers is a safety issue related to the inability to make emergency calls. A good cellphone jammer would be connected to a phone line, and would allow the phones to make 9-1-1 emergency calls (one at a time).
And yes, I would very much like to install such a device at my church and a few other places.
Maybe. But what you are describing is the reaction of a determined and intelligent enemy, and usually folks with that much determination and intelligence can make a living more easily by legal means.
After all, it's far less risky -- but takes more intelligence -- to get rich running sneaky sleazy (but quite legal) land-development schemes than to get (briefly) rich by running crack-smuggling rings.
That it's impossible to stop all crime is a truism, something perfectly true but devoid of useful meaning. The point of law-enforcenment is to make crime annoying and expensive enough that you drive intelligent and imaginative people out of the business, and the only ones left are the more easily caught and generally less dangerous boneheads.
Thank you! I have a friend who is in the same situation as you. There are times when he's on call, in case someone needs emergency surgery. When that's the case, he doesn't go anywhere or do anything that makes him unable to get to the hospital should they need him. If he wants to see a movie, he waits until he isn't on call. Otherwise, he either stays home or only goes to places that he can easily leave at a moment's notice. When I go to a restaurant, my policy is to place my phone on vibrate. If it rings, I'll look at it to see who called, and I'll answer only if it appears to be an important call. To get on the phone just for the sake of yakking to a friend is not only rude to other diners; it's especially rude to those at your table. You came to eat with them, yet it appears that they aren't as important to you as your phone call. Those who feel they must take calls in all places and situations either don't have a grasp on their priorities or are just being rude to those around them, since they're saying that the call they must take is more important than everyone else in their vicinity.
Ah. Well, I paid for my stereo, so I should be able to crank it up at 3 AM, right? And I paid for a large bright laser, so I should be able to point it at, say, your eyes when you're driving down the freeway at 75 MPH, right?
It's been said that my freedom to swing my fist ends at your nose. I suggest there are analgous arguments to be made vis-a-vis cell-phone (and cell-phone-jammer) use. No rights are absolute.
The key words that come up very often whenever the topic of cell phone jammers is raised are "theaters", "schools", "hospitals", etc. I hate some idiot's phone next to me ringing as much as anyone, but there is a pretty serious problem beyond the obvious "doctors and emergency staff have to be reachable" argument (in this case you can say "carry a pager", but pagers can be just as loud and annoying or quiet and discreet as cell phones ringing.)
Specifically, many of the larger outbursts of civil disobedience in the 1990s were organized by individuals with cell phones. The most recent specific example that comes to mind is the series of anti-Syrian rallies in Lebanon last year. In smaller countries without much competition, it's still comparatively easy for the police to just shut down providers, as the government of Nepal has done. However, in a country like the US it's just bound to be a frickin nightmare for local law enforcement to impose a blanket shutdown on cell phone communications.
It's one of those things, like gun ownership or implementation of a national ID card where the usual response is "but what do you have to fear? You are paranoid." However, I am worried about any more by my government to reduce my ability to organize, assemble and protest.
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You're a doctor but have already forgotten that residency means being on call 24/7 for several years straight. Would you have been so quick to advocate something that shut down the pagers that residents used to carry before cell phones were ubiquitous?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
"We give local police guns and other equipment to protect the public, but we can't trust them with cellular-jamming equipment? It doesn't make sense."
Thats an excellent point! We should take their guns away.
Suppose my daughter is in a car accident. Needs help, tries to use her cell phone. Just because some capitalist socio-path wants to make a dollar disabling cell phones, she dies because she happens to be a victim.
Then, I'll sue the high-holy pants off this company, and go to jail after killing him in the court room and anyone else there on his behalf.
Actually, I've dreamed that all you cowards (no pun intended) that sit in your seat and cry about how people are ruining the movie for you would get up off your asses and go tell the person to stick their cellphone up their ass.
A couple theater visits ago (it's been aeons because there hasn't been a movie released that I feel I have to see in the theater in a long, long time) two people were sitting in front of myself and my now-ex-girlfriend. The woman in that couple kept talking. So I leaned forward and said "Is it really necessary for you to talk all through the movie?" She did it again about fifteen minutes later, apparently having forgotten that we were in a movie theater, so I said "How about you shut the fuck up?" and that was the last I heard out of the bitch.
If you're too physically frail or too easily intimidated to deal with the problem yourself like an adult, why don't you just go report the problem to the theater owner, and in the process, demand your money back, and save it so you can just buy the fucking thing when it comes out? That way you send a message to the theater owner that you do not accept having the movie ruined for you, and you hold them accountable - and they are likely to pay you. If they do not, don't go back. Why do you want to patronize an establishment that doesn't value your business?
What is all this with "gangsters" anyway? Is bugsy malone's cellphone use offending you?
Most cellphones have variable brightness. Mine does. If I actually have to text much, I turn it down. There's also the option of moving myself off to the side of the theater someplace where I won't be bothering anyone.
Let's hope someone brings a cell phone jammer to a theater before it's made legal and I somehow catch them, because I'll steal the fucking thing from them and suggest to them that if they want to get nailed by the FCC for breach of federal communications laws they are certainly welcome to call the cops on me for my petty theft.
Okay okay, I don't really believe in stealing things. But believe me, I would be looking for creative ways to make their life miserable. The fact that many people are irresponsible about their cellphone usage does not give you an excuse to disable my cellphone. The answer is to address the abuse, not the potential for abuse. There's always potential for abuse. Go after the abusers, and leave me the fuck alone.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You're a doctor but have already forgotten that residency means being on call 24/7 for several years straight. Would you have been so quick to advocate something that shut down the pagers that residents used to carry before cell phones were ubiquitous?
Every pager I've ever seen comes with a setting called vibrate. People who are too lazy, stupid, selfish to change the setting on their communication devices are simply living up to the labels we give them.
By coming in to the hospital when I'm dying and you're on call.
Is this really that complicated?
Now, maybe you don't go on-call, in which case, you can drop out of this conversation immediately because we are not talking about you. But thanks for trying to participate anyway.
I hope I get a smarter doctor than you next time I'm in the hospital.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Install an emergency only phone in the back with red lighting around it, and play a clip before the movie explaining that your cell signal is being blocked for the length of the movie, and if there is an emergency, the phone in the back of the theater can be used to contact the management of the building, and the manager calls 911? It prevents kids picking up the phone and forcing the police to come out to every false alarm, and the manager is always there as long as a screen is going, they're the last ones to leave so they can lock up.
I think that makes perfect sense.
And to the people who are complaining about not being able to be reached, well, get a beeper and tell the babysitter what theater you will be at, and which screen it's showing, so they can call the theater to have the manager get you. Or even do something like what Applebee's does, and give out little 500' range pagers to people who ask for one, so you can be buzzed if a call comes in for you?
Both of those solutions allow ME to enjoy my movie, and I'd be willing to pay a little extra for a promise of NO CELL PHONES IN THEATER.
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Which, by the way, is probably illegal depending on where you are.
In California, if you have someone's property and want to throw it away, you are legally obliged to attempt to contact them at their last known (to you) address. They have 60 days from the date of postmark to come pick it up. Depending on location, your mileage may vary.
However, confiscation is the approach that should be taken in school. There is no reason schools should have the right to deny students the means of communication. As usual, the only reason to do THAT is to prevent them from reporting your wrongdoing. The school DOES have the right to confiscate things from students, just not to keep them. Give them back to the parents, not the students, since until you're eighteen you can't actually own anything anyway. They need to give the phones back to 18+ year olds at the end of the day. There's nothing you can write in the school rules that overrides laws about theft of personal property.
And ultimately, if educators tried a little harder to make things interesting instead of sticking solely to the state-approved curriculum, maybe students would pay more attention. School was so mind-numbingly fucking boring I *had* to fuck off or go insane. Of course, I was just talking, fidgeting, and fucking off. I managed to disturb the other students and I had nothing to confiscate! So maybe confiscating cellphones doesn't even really help all that much.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Maybe it wasn't legal, but no one made an issue about it. The parents were given ample time to fetch the contraband back. Those who chose not to because they wanted their kids to learn not to play games in class didn't get them back. This was in NJ, not CA.
-b.
Being out of contact for an hour and a half is not going to kill someone.
Heck, I could never talk to my family again and it wouldn't kill anyone. What's your point? If I'm at the movies and someone in my family gets in a car accident or there is an emergency, I want to know. Just because some people are rude or forgetful doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water. The issue is the noise and distraction, not the cell phone itself (most people put theirs on vibrate). By going after cell phones, you're taking away freedoms/privileges and are being overly broad.
And in a sense, there's similarity with what the police are requesting. Broad authority which is much more subject to abuse. And just as the criminals will find a solution so the jammers are irrelevant and the inconsiderate assholes will find ways to annoy you in the theater, all we'll have is more rules and laws without any real progress. Just peachy.
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Build yourself a copy of the radio that was on the Titanic. With careful construction, you too can have a spark-gap transmitter that will block all communication on all frequencies, well into UHF and probably prevent Bluetooth and WiFi as well.
No, there isn't a good way to shape the field such that it doesn't interfere with your neighbors. However, it will likely have no effect on cable TV while wiping out DirecTV and Dish Network. The cable company will be your friend. They might even pay you to run such a device.
Essentially all you need is a rectifier, a coil, an antenna and something to break the circuit. An old Ford distributor using the points would work and then you wouldn't have to key it by hand. Old-style spark-gap transmitters were completely free of tubes, transistors or integrated circuits so they are also immune to EMP effects.
Just think of it as your own experimental ultra-wide broadband transmitter.
You can build a personal cell phone jammer. Just don't get caught using it.
or something.
No, it really isn't that complicated. What the parent is saying is that he arranges his schedule so he only goes to movies when he isn't on call. Simple as that. Doctors aren't on call all the time, you know. But the real solution here is for theater managers to immediately kick the cell-phone-yakking louts out of the theater, no questions asked. Even if a doctor gets a call, he or she will most likely immediately get up and start heading for the exit so they can get to the hospital. The idiots who sit there and carry on a conversation are the ones who need to be targeted. Perhaps a call button located between every five or six seats would do the job. Press it, and a manager comes to check on the problem.
Every pager I've ever seen comes with a setting called vibrate.
Likewise, here in the UK it's been quite a few years since I saw a mobile phone that didn't have a "vibrate only" setting. In fact, my phone is switched to that permanently. Check the caller display, and if it looks like it might be important, go somewhere you won't disturb people!
It's official. Most of you are morons.
The FBI can use cellular-jamming equipment?
If that's the case then the answer to Howard Melamed's question as to why the FBI can use jammers but state and local governments can't is clear: Don't allow the FBI to use cellular-jamming equipment.
"'It just doesn't make much sense that the FBI can use this equipment, but that the local and state governments, which the Homeland Security Act has acknowledged as being an important part of combating terrorism, cannot,' said Howard Melamed, chief executive of CellAntenna. 'We give local police guns and other equipment to protect the public, but we can't trust them with cellular-jamming equipment? It doesn't make sense.'"
Maybe they should live someplace where there's more than one doctor then, such as all major cities and most counties and large townships.
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I thought about building one for my motorcycle. 3 problems, size and power consumption limiting range, and limited range causing drivers to look at their phones and crash into me.
Unless, of course, they themselves have some sort of medical emergency.
Being out of contact didn't kill them, it was the medical emergency.
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The fact that many people are irresponsible about their cellphone usage does not give you an excuse to disable my cellphone.
If you are in a theater with a cell phone, then you either won't know it's jammed, or you are irresponsible. I've never seen a cell phone that rings, even on vibrate or silent, that doesn't light up when the call comes in. When you check, even if you don't take the call, you are disturbing those around you. If it is an emergency and you answer it, you are disturbing everyone around you. You are either talking in your seat, or disturbing others by getting up and moving. Both are disturbing. There is no responsible cell phone use in a theater, other than turning it off, or possibly having it on silent/vibrate in a sealed container that is never opened. Since you claim to look at the screen (which if you can see it, so can everyone else around you), wander around, answer calls, and such, you are an irresponsible cell phone user, no matter how important you think you are.
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If I'm at the movies and someone in my family gets in a car accident or there is an emergency, I want to know. What would you have done 20 or 30 years ago? Just because some people are rude or forgetful doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water. The issue is the noise and distraction, not the cell phone itself (most people put theirs on vibrate). By going after cell phones, you're taking away freedoms/privileges and are being overly broad. I guess by the same token you'd probably like to bring back smoking in movie theatres? Isn't smoking a freedom/privilege for smokers? Yeah, I understand this is an apples and oranges analogy - but it does come down to infringing upon the freedoms of others. If I pay to see a movie - and for me, like many others, the true cost is much more than the ticket price - then I want to be able to enjoy it. And heck, if you disagree with the analogy on the basis of cell phones not posing a health issue, you'd need to talk with one of my neighbours (a respected psychiatrist nonetheless) who truly believes they cause brain cancer. :P
The right thing to do would be to demand a refund (you seem to have skipped that step), and take them to small claims court if they refuse..... but you wouldn't do that, because that would require you to loose money for a principle. Well you know what? Some people are willing to loose money for a principle, which is why there still exist a few places where credit cards are not accepted.
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Isn't smoking a freedom/privilege for smokers?
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I say this as an ex smoker, hehehe. Sure. But you don't HAVE to smoke in the theatre (or other public place). Whereas the people in there HAVE to breathe your smoke if you light up. Not everyone wants to breathe your smoke. Ergo, smoke somewhere else, where there's more ventilation. Now if you can't make it though a film without a cigarette I strongly suggest you quit this habit before it kills you
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By coming in to the hospital when I'm dying and you're on call.
If I'm on call I will not be at the movies!!! I'll be at the hospital working.
Now, maybe you don't go on-call
Used to. Not anymore thank God!
But thanks for trying to participate anyway.
I hope I get a smarter patient than you next time I'm in the hospital.
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You're a doctor but have already forgotten that residency means being on call 24/7 for several years straight.
Who says I'm a resident? I've DONE my slavery time thank you. And the 24/7 part is untrue. Sorry. You're on call every 4th or 5th day - which is when the hospital owns your butt. The rest of the time you rotate through an availability schedule with other residents. This week it's me, next week it's you, etc. What, you think we're superhuman? 24/7 for several years straight - someone is watching too much ER...
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Such equipment is available for the general public, here in Kuwait.
But the majority of the general public has no use for it. It's mostly deployed in mosques to prevent phones from ringing during prayer.
Why is it banned from public use in the US?!
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I say this as an ex smoker, hehehe. Sure. But you don't HAVE to smoke in the theatre (or other public place). Whereas the people in there HAVE to breathe your smoke if you light up. Not everyone wants to breathe your smoke. Ergo, smoke somewhere else, where there's more ventilation. Now if you can't make it though a film without a cigarette I strongly suggest you quit this habit before it kills you ;)
You missed that I was being facetious I guess! I won't bother commenting on the rest because I just read your other post on the topic and saw we're actually on the same side.
Copper mesh walls are where it's at!!! I worked for a defense contractor that did RF engineering IN a small city. Some of it was even rated top secret. The key to doing that work was the labs with copper mesh behind the wallboards... the ceiling... the doors had mesh seals... but worked. I'd suppose those rooms probably get zilch for cell reception too... wonder why? They were working with military stuff, so it didn't have to be FCC compliant. I'm sure they have RF blocking paint that's a whole lot cheaper than copper mesh. If theaters would start putting that up it would make quick work of their problems. To make it efficient there would really need to build the theater with cell blocking in mind.. but it's just like sound or light blocking. Not much harder if you're building it in. Then you wouldn't need jammers.
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "C"
And that stands for Cellular,
That stands for Cellular.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep those signals away!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...
I paid for my jammer so I should get to use it when I want. Personal cell phones should never be allowed in a movie theater. Only on-call surgeons and the like should be allowed to use them, nobody else. And even then, I really, really, REALLY don't like the idea. Why can't one person in a theater of 400 simply skip the movie that night if they absolutely cannot be out of contact? They can't just go another time? There's 25 other times to go see that movie in a week (at least) and they're all going to be the same movie. I'm sure two hours is a lot of time to an on-call surgeon; they might think twice before they spend it at a movie theater.
Missing cell phone calls has never been a problem with any of the emergency doctors or federal special agents I know (in Washington DC, where you would expect this to be an issue). It's certainly not enough of an issue to warrant a ban on the use of cell phone jammer on private property.
Build a man a fire, he's warm for one night. Set him on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.
If a movie theater owner can get one to use, then basically ANYONE get can one. Which means that if I live in an apartment building, and I don't like my neighbor yacking on the phone at night, or may I'm just an a-hole, then I can jam everyone within a 100 foot radius or more. It would take a VERY carefully crafted law to make such usage illegal and that still wouldn't stop it from happening if jamming equipment were so readily available...
There are so many *other* ways of solving the movie theater problem that don't use jammers. There is no fundamental difference between a cell phone user in a theater and a noisy, disruptive person in the theater. So deal with both in the same way...
... what FLAVOR of jam they want to use. I mean, if it's strawberry, that would be just fine, as would raspberry... any other flavor, however, I would like to be consulted on before its use...
You can close your eyes to reality but not to memories.
For movie theathres it may will actually be better to tempest-proof the salon. (OK, not military grade, but good enough to shut down most phones.)
For prisons and other areas where a control over the calls has to be issued a local phone service that takes precedence over other operators should do the trick. Just re-direct all calls except emergency calls to an answering service that just informs the user about limited service in the current area. Anyone that REALLY has to call out should go through a gateway service where the calls are monitored.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Tht's exactly what infuriates me in many, many recent decisions regarding "law" or rather "rules enforcement": Instead of searching the a**holes and get rid of them, rely on some mean that prevents them from acting, NO MATTER HOW MANY INNOCENT BYSTANDERS ARE HURT IN THE PROCESS.
I would prefer seeing the dickhead asked to leave, even if the disturbance is greater. Because NEXT TIME, he simply will not be there, and some others will avoid calling so they are not asked to leave too. And I keep he right to choose, when my phone vibrates, wether I leave the room to answer or let the call go to my inbox.
One of those Europeans...
So many companies create products that claim to do X yet they do Y and Z
...that has a "side effect" that typically renders cell signals useless. Then put a disclaimer up that "Cel signals may not work on the premises" and include it with the product.. then PRESTO slap on your fcc warnings if u need them and make millions .
These guys are going about this the wrong way.
Sell their product as a "Mouse and Rat Ridder", could call it... RatWire
Wtvr - so many ppl are whiner crybabies about what they deserve... you don't deserve anything, you rather enjoy the privilege of everything you have, including wireless.
Are you serious? Why don't we ban watches than, and have ushers posted at the doors to confiscate them from everyone, because they might hit the indiglo button, and disturb everyone.
They should board up all the bathrooms, because apparently it's disturbing to get up from your seat to use the bathroom. We should also ban food and drink in the theatres. The crunching sound of popcorn is disturbing. And the sound of people belching is annoying too.
This has been challenged before in US Federal court mainly the Federal .gov was sued over broadcasting licenses and even requiring Hams to obtain a license from the government back in the 1920's. If the local police need a jammer call the FBI and they will be out in a hour.
The problem is that cell phone jammers can very easily jam the 700-1200 MHz communication equipment used by police so they will have a SWAT team at a location with no communication when a cop that isn't an engineer flips the cell phone jammer switch that isn't properly programmed and calibrated. The FBI has engineers with spectrum analyzers to prevent the accidental jamming of other communications.
"Suppose my daughter is in a car accident. Needs help, tries to use her cell phone. Just because some capitalist socio-path wants to make a dollar disabling cell phones, she dies because she happens to be a victim?"
Suppose this was 30 years ago, what would be the difference? A) no cell phones - outcome the same. B) Response time + dropped call- outcome the same. c) Charge on cell phone insufficient - outcome the same.
The point about cell phones being used to trigger bombs, valid point. The ability to use cell phones as timing devices, valid point. The ability to help coordinate gangs of protesters or give advance warning to criminals, valid point.
The argument about disturbing the peace in theaters, valid point. So where do we go from here?
I think that the world survived quite well before cell phones were everywhere. This modern piece of technology has
been both a curse and blessing. We need rational laws and built-in technology to control the use of cellular technology.
I, for one, woulld love to see integrated into all electronically controlled cars, that the engine shuts off when a cell
phone is activate with in an automobile, with a grace period to allow the driver to pull off the road safely, then the car would be inactive for 30 minutes. Doctors and emergency personnel need not be talking on the phone either when driving.
Then again, I think driving while putting on make-up and eating or reading, should be outlawed also. What a Nazi I am.
Umm, hello McFly? A ban on use. Not on possession. Obviously a private company can't tell me what I can and can not have on my person.
Er... sure they can. Every heard of camera bans in casinos and nightclubs?
A private entity can ban you from doing pretty much anything while on their property. You do not have an implicit right to be there... it's their property. If you don't agree to their terms of being on that property, they are legally justified to force you to leave the property. If you refuse, they are within their rights to call the police and have you forceably removed or arrested for trespassing.
That said, there is no reason a movie theater could not jam cell phones inside the theater, so long as there are prominent signs that such jamming will be taking place. If you go in there, the honous is totally on you .You know there are no cell phones in there. If you have a heart attack, that's your problem.
And by magic the same people who refuse to turn of the ringing of their mobile phones are going to be first to upgrade to PolitePhones(tm)?
FRA: STFU GTFO
So that anyone in the vicinity of a passing car is unable to make a phone call?
Besides, studies show that talking to passengers is just as dangerous as talking on the phone. So maybe outlawing passenger seats would be a better idea.
Because those are stupid things, and banning cell phones isn't stupid.
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There's no "right" to cellphone communication. If someone disrupts the signal, you'd have to prove it's them, interfering with a regulated part of the radio spectrum. The dispute is then between them and the FCC, and has nothing to do with your rights.
My mother was jammed by a cellphone, you insensitive clod!
Computers allow humans to make mistakes at the fastest speeds known, with the possible exception of tequila and handguns
It is sad. I don't go to the movies as much as I used to, and I'm a movie buff. I can count on a good experience if I go to one of the independent "art house" theaters, but sometimes I want to see a movie that only plays in mainstream theaters. That just doesn't happen very much lately. I probably only go to regular movies 2 or 3 times a year now, down from at least 25 a while ago. Maybe movies aren't as good to me as they used to be, maybe there are other options now, it might be the cost, but a lot of it is that people are much ruder and better armed to annoy than they used to be in theaters.
I don't go through life looking for problems, quite the opposite. This one gets to me because I care about movies so much.
Your final comment is distressingly fatalist. Do you just accept it whenever you aren't happy with the way things are? I'm sure there are things about this world you aren't happy about. Do you simply stop doing whatever it was that exposed you to those things? I prefer to do what I can to make things better. Most of life's irritations roll off my back, but the occasional conversation, complaint, slashdot rant, etc. still gets made.
Man, you really need that seminar!
Your parents pretty much own everything you think you own until you're eighteen, which is why everything pops at that age, like trusts and such. Your guardian can take away anything you've got until you have your majority. You also cannot enter into a legal contract without a cosigner, so you can't own property or even lease it, etc etc. That's why we have a court procedure for getting your majority early.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
But more importantly, I'm having a hard time imagining why you would want to be a bottleneck in case your son's medical condition flares up. My babysitter talk always includes, "If anything happens, call 911. The address and phone number here are on this refrigerator magnet."
You remind me a bit of my tenants when I explain the maintenance voicemail hotline. Many people ask, "What do I do if I need to get ahold of you if, say, the house is on fire?" My answer: "I don't have a firetruck, so don't waste time calling me. Get yourself out of the house to safety and then call 911."
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What about doctors or other people who's job requires them to be available at all times? If their cell phone/pager can't go off because it's being jammed by an illegal device, and someone dies or a business loses millions of dollars as a result... well, realisticly the chances are that you wouldn't get caught but you sure would feel pretty shitty about it if you ever found out what happened because you were unwilling to endure a momentary distraction from your movie.
Much Madness is divinest Sense --
To a discerning Eye --
Much Sense -- the starkest Madness
Do tell the victim's family that. I'm sure it would go over well.
Yes, because if a child is run over in the street and dead before the ambulance gets there, the parents would sue the theater that blocked their cell phone. And no, I'm not being sarcastic, that's what I expect would actually happen. And angry family will hate anyone and everyone. We should base everything we do off how it would affect parents that just lost their child. I'm sure that would go over well. Think of the Children!
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