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Birth of an Island

slashmojo writes that while some islands are sinking, last August another rose from the ocean, formed by volcanic activity and caught in the act by a passing yacht. From the article: "What looked like a brown stain on the South Pacific turned out to be a spectacular drift of floating pumice stones stretching more than 16 km — and an indication an island was being born nearby... 'We are getting emails from volcanologists saying this is so rare.'" Here is the blog post of the yachtsman who photographed the nascent island.

136 comments

  1. Praise Jesus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    God giveth and God taketh away....
    all balances out in the end we are just a small part of His PLAN

    1. Re:Praise Jesus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Time for the no sarcastic jackasses in 2007 magic!
      Abracadabra!
      Crap, that guy's still here.

    2. Re:Praise Jesus! by prencher · · Score: 1

      This gets marked "insightful"? Now I've seen it all...

    3. Re:Praise Jesus! by Inverted+Intellect · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Call it what you will, but I'm not one to consider a proclamation of belief in a personal god to be 'Insightful'.

      For those unaqainted with the subject of newly-formed islands, the only previous recorded example was Surtsey, just off the south coast of Iceland, which appeared in a volcanic event in 1965 or so.

      Surtsey has been a neat case-study in the colonization of land-life in an area previously devoid of it, but has unfortunately (yet wisely) been off-limits to non-scientists.

    4. Re:Praise Jesus! by packeteer · · Score: 1, Informative

      I hate to be the spoil sport but this island is not new at all. It was discovered on August 12th. This was in some online articles months ago. Its interesting to read about still but its not a NYE island.

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    5. Re:Praise Jesus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn Right Science-Boy!
      I got your muthafuckin' Science hangin'!
      The above is my first first post on /.-pretty easy on newyearseve though....
      I meant it as a TROLL yet in full sincerity....
      I am not a Christian I'm a Heathen or agnostic if you prefer..
      Witnessing the dramatic birth of an island is an example of the total Awe and Wonder of nature and our conciousness/sentience
      I can't believe in any particular Faith-my brain isn't wired for it..
      Can't deny it any easier!
      Shit that would have got me a -200 on Digg....even on newyearseve
      Praise Jesus!....or something like that..... :)
      I wish I were on that boat.

    6. Re:Praise Jesus! by starrsoft · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      I found the grandparent's (who posted as Anonymous Coward) identity via a cross-reference in my Bible!
      Issachar is a strong ass crouching down...
      Genesis 49:14
      And I also found what our response to such people should be:
      And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
      Numbers 22:29

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      A side note, while we're on the subject, did you know that the Bible mentions igniting farts?
      ...and she lighted off her ass...
      Joshua 15:18
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    7. Re:Praise Jesus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes!

      And it is Her PLAN that your computer shall detonate and put you (and us) out of your jaysus-freak misery in 3... 2... 1...

      Any other AC's posting claiming to be that one are are no more then Santa-ic imposters left over from last week.

    8. Re:Praise Jesus! by bmo · · Score: 1

      "I hate to be the spoil sport but this island is not new at all. It was discovered on August 12th."

      Well, for some of us, Surtsey is a new island, still. :-P

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    9. Re:Praise Jesus! by jbrader · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Compare August 12 with the age of the Earth. It's a new island.

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    10. Re:Praise Jesus! by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is also Krakatoa, but it behaves more like a recursive island.

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    11. Re:Praise Jesus! by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      we studied Surtsey Island when I was at school, around 11 I seem to recall. It was fascinating even at that young age. Everyone seemed so excited about it.

      I didn't *quite* get why at the time, although I read all the material avidly. With benefit of hindsight it seems I was unbelievably fortunate to have such an event occur in my youth.

      When we studied it the island was still devoid of native/reproducing life (being about ten-12 years old by then) but there was information on arrival of non native flora and fauna in small numbers, very very small I recall.

    12. Re:Praise Jesus! by dajak · · Score: 1

      Are volcanic islands the only ones that count? As I understand it the shoals on the Dutch coast appear, move, and disappear all the time, if human activity doesn't make them stay where they are. The most wellknown newly recorded ones (both 17th century) are Tiengemeten and Noorderhaaks, modest compensation for recorded losses of inhabited islands like Orisant, Koezand, Schoneveld, Griend, Wulpen, etc. over the last millenium. So the "birth of an island" is hardly an interesting event, at least for continental islands.

  2. Natural floater? by CRC'99 · · Score: 4, Funny
    What looked like a brown stain on the South Pacific turned out to be a spectacular drift of floating pumice stones stretching more than 16 km


    So when the earth gets a floater in the pool, it's one big mutha. Try fishing that out with a net ;)
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    1. Re:Natural floater? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FLUSH!

    2. Re:Natural floater? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, try cutting that thick fudge rope into flushable chunks with a strethed out coat hanger whilst praying your wife's family doesn't hear you during the holiday meal. Often that gnarly dirt biscuit will require several flushes to erode the outer peanutty layer so it will match the aperature of the porcelain ass-throne and sail away to Seattle.

      Fuck Your Yankee Blue Jeans!

    3. Re:Natural floater? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Does it look like a .. Piece of Pie?

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  3. So... we lose one, we win one. by markana · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds fair.

    First one to the new island gets the prime beachfront property! :-)

    1. Re:So... we lose one, we win one. by The+Decider · · Score: 1

      Told ya so, Global Warming is a myth.

    2. Re:So... we lose one, we win one. by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      First one to the new island gets shitty landlocked property. LAST one gets beachfront :)

    3. Re:So... we lose one, we win one. by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First one to the island gets mildly radioactive beachfront property that will either blow up in another eruption or get washed away by big waves. Save it for the great-great-grandkids.

    4. Re:So... we lose one, we win one. by starrsoft · · Score: 1
      First one to the new island gets shitty landlocked property. LAST one gets beachfront :)
      Nah, the first one to the island get blown up and becomes "a brown stain on the South Pacific".
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  4. This is so awesome by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 3, Informative

    You usually think of these structures as having been around for at least as long as civilization, but clearly the Earth is ever-changing... very cool.

    Here's a decent intro to island formation:
    http://www.hawaii.edu/environment/ainakumuwai/html /ainakumuwaiislandformation.htm

  5. It's... by Guitarhero1000 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Magrathea!!

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  6. All is new by Skywings · · Score: 1

    Nice a new island for the new year. What more can you want?

    1. Re:All is new by physicsphairy · · Score: 1

      Unlimited cosmic power.

    2. Re:All is new by Joebert · · Score: 1

      And a Corona, make that 2 Coronas, and a lime, and some ice, better grab a cooler & just make it a 12 pack of Coronas, better get extra ice too, I bet it's prety hot there.

      Now that, would be miles away from ordinary.

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    3. Re:All is new by Wire3117 · · Score: 1

      OP thought he was original by posting stuff from august. BUT it remains cool though.

    4. Re:All is new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      though that comes with an itty bitty living space, sorta like this island.

  7. Pictures by locokamil · · Score: 1

    Those pictures are amazing. But is there anything under the pumice? Or were they able to just sail through it? I'm confused...

    1. Re:Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they sailed thru the pumice. the pumice was created during the volcanic activity that the pics show off in the distance and was floating away following the currents. the new island isn't the pumice.

    2. Re:Pictures by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      Many volcanoes will blow out chunks of pumice in the course of an eruption. Because it's essentially foamed rock -- filled with bubbles from gas that expanded in the lava as it erupted and cooled -- it's less dense than water, and will float. However, because the island is new, their charts will have been unreliable as to the depth of water around the new island, and given that new lava flows can be sharp, I'm not surprised that they sheered off rather than approaching closer. With the sun going down, and the layer of pumice on the water preventing them from using water color as a guage for depth (which is moderately unreliable, depending on the bottom characteristics), and the almost certain lack of a sounding lead or depth sonar, I can entirely understand their hesitancy about taking the chance of running aground and ripping their hull just for a closer look.

  8. Claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What IS the international protocol for claiming a new island? My flag first, nearest neighbour?

    1. Re:Claim by MPHellwig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Quite simply, you claim it's yours and it's yours unless somebody else with a bigger gun says so.

    2. Re:Claim by jargonCCNA · · Score: 1

      You can't claim us, we live here! Five hundred million of us!

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    3. Re:Claim by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

      Well - if the island is formed close to another chain of islands, whoever lays claim to the original chain, probably by default has claim to the new one simply due to proximity.

      However being able to occupy and defend this island is only part of the ability to claim it, because the governing organization of the island must also be recognized by other governments as being the official governing body for that area of land. Anyone can say they are an independent sovereign nation-state, but even if they have the guns to back it up, it doesn't do much good unless they are recognized by other sovereign states.

      Since this is NOT the first time in history that a volcano has produced a new island, I am willing to bet that there is either previous common law on the subject, or there are treaties that have been signed by the majority of states on this specific issue. Any international attorneys in the house?

      A few sources of information of relevant subjects:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_republic (Key West, FL ceding from the USA)
      and
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand
      http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,36749,00 .html
      http://www.havenco.com/

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    4. Re:Claim by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 1

      Yes yes yes, but do you have a flag? No? Oh dear. Looks like I do claim this land in the name of the Queen. Better luck next time old chaps.

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    5. Re:Claim by BrianH · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on where its at. This particular island lies within the already recognized territorial waters of Tonga, so it belongs to them. Since most new islands would form in volcanic chains with pre-existing atolls and islands, this is likely to be the case the vast majority of the time.

      If you did manage to spot an island forming outside of the territorial waters of another nation, the biggest gun rule generally applies. You can claim it yourself and try to create your own nation, but good luck defending it when someone with bigger guns than you decides to grab it. Until you have a settled population on the island, nobody is going to care that some lone nut got kicked off a speck of rock in the middle of the ocean. He who had the biggest guns wins. Until you actually get a population, nobody is going to recognize you as a nation. As a example, the Republic of Minerva was set up in the 1970's on infill located on an unclaimed atoll...basically, a bunch of dirt was piled on an atoll to create an artificial island. Nobody paid much attention to the island or the builders claims, and eventually Tonga sent their army over, evicted the guy, and claimed the island for themselves. Since there was no actual population living on the island, little attention was paid to the "invasion". The people involved in building the island still whine about their claim and call themselves the "government in exile", but without a population to represent or an army to defend themselves, they're little more than a paper organization. The island, as I understand it, was allowed to erode back into the sea. Only a few narrow spits of land ringing the reefs remain.

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    6. Re:Claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By force. It happened in the U.S. already when someone built an island and tried to make it independent of Chicago and Illinois.

      http://www.thelocaltourist.com/articles/streetervi lle.htm

      You can bet if someone did the same today Mayor Daley would have a fit and try the same shenanigans. That's the same mayor who destroyed an airport overnight and stranded every plane so he could have another new park for his deceased mother.

    7. Re:Claim by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      So it's the newest US Territory then. Wonder what we'll name it...

  9. Could it be... by Guitarhero1000 · · Score: 1

    that this is Blizzard's explination of how all of a sudden I had a new Island off the coast of Auberdine where the Draenei http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draenei now resides? I would have liked to see pictures of that instead.

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  10. Grr by QuoteMstr · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    "So" is not a synonym of "very".

    1. Re:Grr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So" is not a synonym of "very". When did we let valley girls onto /.?

      That is soo not cool.
    2. Re:Grr by presidentbeef · · Score: 3, Funny

      "So" is not a synonym of "very".

      I think you meant: "So" is so not a synonym of "very".

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    3. Re:Grr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are like so wrong.

    4. Re:Grr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. space cadets? Like, gag me with spoon. I mean, like, geeks are sooo gross. Totally spaz.

    5. Re:Grr by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      He was holding his hands out about eight inches apart when he typed "so", indicating the degree of rarity.

      -Peter

    6. Re:Grr by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      I think you meant: "So" is so not a synonym of "very".
      Whatever.
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  11. Global warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hot pumice? Global warming is making islands!

  12. Supercool by presidentbeef · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope scientists can get some cool information out of his. And perhaps footage of the island forming...maybe some time-lapse photography or something. That would be neat-o.

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    1. Re:Supercool by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The link to the blog of that yachtsman has pix, inc. some pix of the volcano creating land. I was amazed at the pix of the volcano creating land.

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  13. I spy with my rich eye. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "slashmojo writes that while some islands are sinking, last August another rose from the ocean [CC] [MD] [GC], formed by volcanic activity and caught in the act by a passing yacht."

    See. I told you rich people are good for something. :)

    1. Re:I spy with my rich eye. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I realise that you were trying to be funny, but quite a few cruising yachties are closer to floating bums than Larry Ellisons racing their way around the world. It's not inherently expensive to live afloat (and in some ways it's cheaper) but the curiosity of the choice means that conventional lifestyles don't fit well. ... which makes all kinds of sense in the context of yachties photographing weird things that others don't see. Want to live different? Try it afloat.

    2. Re:I spy with my rich eye. by Wire3117 · · Score: 1

      a temp guy i work with (in accounting) quit his job last friday to go (back to) sailing again in his one-man sailing boat. he plans to get away 3+ years, cross the atlantic and go round tierra del fuego. we're going to track him on the map and were already betting as to how long he'll make it : cross here he was, cross there he stopped, cross there he sunk ;) ..

    3. Re:I spy with my rich eye. by potat0man · · Score: 1

      Actually, done on the cheap, yachting is probably the lowest-cost way to see the world. - No hotel bills, no airfare, make your own food most of the time. Just need to save up that big downpayment. But if you shop around and are willing to buy modest and used you can find them for around $30k-$60k depending on where you live.

      Yeah, I have detailed early retirement plans...

    4. Re:I spy with my rich eye. by MaxwellStreet · · Score: 1

      One-man boat... tierra del fuego... I wish him well.

      I made that passage on an aircraft carrier (many years ago), and the weather down there was nasty enough for us to proceed with great caution.

  14. Really neat, but... by khendron · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is really neat, but doesn't it strike anybody as odd that they decided to sail
    *towards* an active volcano? Were they trying to get a last minute entry into the 2006 Darwin Awards or something?

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    1. Re:Really neat, but... by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Nevermind that, what does pumice do to your hull? To your prop? Obviously it doesn't hurt to go through a little, because they survived; but that stuff is abrasive. Did they have any frame of reference for this, or did they just not consider what it might do, and get lucky?

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    2. Re:Really neat, but... by niktemadur · · Score: 3, Insightful
      From the blog:
      After cleaning the water filter the Yanmar diesel started again. Thank God! Without wind we would have been stuck in a sea of stone if the motor had failed. Next thing to check was the other water inlets. Some minor pumice particles but nothing serious. But the bottom paint were scrubbed away at places along the waterline, Maiken has an ablative paint so it was just doing what is supposed to do. Like we'd sailed through sandpaper.

      So you're right of course, and in case of doubt, one should err on the side of caution. But in a situation like this, the opportunity to witness a spectacular one in a million event, then to see a gigantic patch of pumice floating by...whew... that's gotta be a flood of adrenaline. Most sailors don't even dream of witnessing something like this, it's so far out there. Hell man, you just gotta inspect that thing up-close, you take as many precautions as possible, but some safety will get thrown to the winds. Chalk another one up for curiosity.
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    3. Re:Really neat, but... by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most sailors don't even dream of witnessing something like this, it's so far out there. Hell man, you just gotta inspect that thing up-close, you take as many precautions as possible, but some safety will get thrown to the winds. Chalk another one up for curiosity.

      A true sailor would rail against nature like a madman, with wild eyes and a raised fist silhouetted against the sky dramatically. Probably something along the lines of :

      "Damn you, nature! That patch of ocean was mine to sail, MINE I say! And now you've taken that from me! Damn you to HELL! But I'll have my revenge yet! Global warming will bury this island before the century is out - mark my words! The game is not yet over, Nature, not by a long shot!"

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    4. Re:Really neat, but... by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Hehe, yeah my first thought was "those guys are lucky they are not dead".

      Pumice is cool and floats because it's filled with gas (air, what came with the eruption).

      Chances are, that gas is NOT something good for humans to breathe. Plus, it'll be pretty cool because it came up from the water in small bits, and as a result might hang around near the surface. (Sulfur gases are mostly heavier than air as I understand it.)

      So, get into a situation where the craft could foul in a very unusual debris field or run aground on the brand new island, while breathing something that could kill you if you stay too long.

      Nice knowing ya!

      Given that, I probably would have gone in there too. And collected a bunch of rock for eBay.

  15. I'm convinced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Between recent plans to map under Greenland's ice to find the home of the Elder Things and Shoggoths, and now this, I think it's obvious H.P. Lovecraft's prophecy is coming true.

    All glory to Cthulhu.

    1. Re:I'm convinced... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's the city of R'lyeh arising from the slumbering depths!

      Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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    2. Re:I'm convinced... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Between recent plans to map under Greenland's ice to find the home of the Elder Things and Shoggoths, and now this, I think it's obvious H.P. Lovecraft's prophecy is coming true.

      All glory to Cthulhu.

      As an eldritch and probably outre version of Pascal's wager, I'm with you.
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  16. Someone lands on it, plants a flag and yells... by aapold · · Score: 4, Funny

    First post!

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    1. Re:Someone lands on it, plants a flag and yells... by Tablizer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I for one would like to wish happy new year and happy new island to our volcanic overlords. Mod points to everybody!

    2. Re:Someone lands on it, plants a flag and yells... by berbo · · Score: 1
      FTFA:

      "The closer we came to the island the clearer the smoke stood out from the surrounding clouds, and every so often a massive black pillar shot upwards toward the sky," Fransson said.

      "You could see particles raining down."

      In South Pacific, island lands on you!
  17. Sing it, brother! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what the LORD says-- he who made a way through the sea, a path through the mighty waters, "Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I am making a way in the desert and streams in the wasteland.
  18. Re:Fake by dj961 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Please mod me down some more, Hitler and Saddam need a new fluffer. HINT: Burning karma is hard work.

  19. Mother nature is ticked at being... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...caught in the act by a passing yacht.

    Nosy environmnetalists and their cameras. Worst than the paparazzi on a Saturday night.

  20. I think Tonga gets new ones with some regularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Citation but I kinda remember them picking up a new one in the 70s
      The King wading through chest deep ash to plan the Tongan Flag

    Oh Yeah.....Fuck the Scientists

  21. So isolated, but so populated by maggard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its fascinating that something like this, in the age of of satellite monitoring, global communications, Google Earth, can happen without vulcanologists aware of it. Its possible that military organizations detected it & then dismissed it as outside their purview & didn't pass it on, in any case it's unfortunate that such a rare event escaped study. Hopefully we'll soon see automated earth science 'anomaly' expert systems processing realtime data and alerting relevant specialists.

    On the other hand, it's impressive that there were people there! That the human species is so ubiquitous on planet Earth that a random bunch of folks happened to be sailing in proximity, in what was historically one of the most isolate places on the planet. It really does bring home that there are now more folks alive today then have died in the history of our species, that we're now regularly witnessing these one-in-a-million (but what is that to six billion?!) events!

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    1. Re:So isolated, but so populated by I'll+Provide+The+War · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:So isolated, but so populated by SmashedSqwurl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, as soon as I saw this article, I went on Google Earth and looked for it. It's there!

      Here are the coordinates: 18 59 25.13 S, 174 45 46.40 W

      Naturally, I immediately made a placemark.

    3. Re:So isolated, but so populated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wondering, why do you feel the need to provide a mirror link of a Belgium university page?

    4. Re:So isolated, but so populated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To your sig: because I used to post, then I got another job... What I have to say is still worth listening to, though.

    5. Re:So isolated, but so populated by ImpShial · · Score: 2, Informative
      It is amazing that someone would be around to witness this. With the population explosion we've seen in the last 20 years, it makes you wonder how crowded our solar system is going to be in 200 years.

      But... (a bit off-topic)

      maggard wrote:

      It really does bring home that there are now more folks alive today then have died in the history of our species This is actually an urban legend. Demographers put the estimate at roughly 80 billion dead throughout history. Modest estimates put the total number of people alive today at approximately 6% of the total of all people who have ever lived.

      Links:
      http://www.economist.com/diversions/millennium/dis playStory.cfm?Story_ID=346605
      http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.htm
      http://www.rateitall.com/i-885386-the-number-of-pe ople-alive-today-is-greater-than-the-number-of-peo ple-who-have-ever-died.aspx
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    6. Re:So isolated, but so populated by I'll+Provide+The+War · · Score: 1

      The page is 1.32MB and will probably end up linked at Digg and other large aggregator sites as well.

  22. Who owns it? by TheBismarck · · Score: 5, Funny

    I call dibs.

    1. Re:Who owns it? by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

      DAMN YOU!

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    2. Re:Who owns it? by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Damnit.

      Best get it on Ebay before everyone has one.

  23. Sailing through rock by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

    This is definitely a must-see experience, and I envy the travelers who were lucky enough to witness something so rare. However, I'm less envious of the captain when he reaches harbor and realizes that sailing through 16km of pumice is hell on the bottom paint. He's going to have fun getting that repainted. ;) (Of course, a REAL captain would just do it himself.)

    Speaking from the experience of having lived on a sailboat for three years, and having painted the bottom in dry dock at least once.

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    1. Re:Sailing through rock by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Ever woken up in a flock of mutton birds sitting atop the water and streatching as far as the eye can see? Once into something that large floating on top, it's not always clear how to get out. Admittedly sailing toward the volcano was unlikely to help matters as much as crossing the current would have.

      ...And a smart captain would shanghi some kids! :)

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  24. Dont fly to this island on UAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'cause this might happen to you too... http://evilunitedairlines.blogspot.com/

  25. How long? by in2mind · · Score: 1

    Before you go to the island to celebrate,
    who knows when it will submerge ?

    1. Re:How long? by Puff+of+Logic · · Score: 1

      Presumably we'd be safe unless someone managed to spill a drop of blood on it.

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  26. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by hrvatska · · Score: 1
    My source (sorry, no link as his book's not been published yet) says


    Even if the book's not published, what's the author's name. Has he published any other books or articles?

  27. Well, it's a damn good thing ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    that yacht didn't try to pass through that "brown stain" and discover that they had just run aground.

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  28. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by Genevish · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Are you joking, or truly an idiot? (Or do you work for Big Oil?) Why would there suddenly be an increase in volcanic activity in the last 50 years?

    ...says that oceanographers have 50+ years of data logging ocean temperatures, that prove this theory beyond any shadow of a doubt.

    The increase in CO2 over the last century would cause an increase in water temperature as well...

  29. Birth of an Island, Rise of a Nation... by mikeisme77 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if I saw an island being formed, I would anchor my yacht offshore, wait for the land to cool, then plant a flag claiming it in the name of my new sovereign nation... Even if it's just a small island, it would still be cool to be the ruler of an island nation...
    A man can dream...

    1. Re:Birth of an Island, Rise of a Nation... by Teancum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please look at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Making_an_Island for some further information and sources.

      In the early 1970's, there was a Las Vegas developer who ended up going to an atoll that was technically in unclaimed international waters and "built" an island by dumping extra material on this group of submerged rocks to the point that there was a portion that stayed above water during high tides, technically new territory just as you have suggested.

      BTW, this was also near the Tongan islands, so this is also relevant in this situation.

      What happened afterward was that a group of Tongan soldiers "invaded" the newly formed island and asserted sovereignty by "occupying" the island in the name of Tonga. Instead of formenting an international incident, the developer relented and gave up his attempt to build his own South Pacific version of Monaco.

      I'm not sure what would have happened if this developer had his own "army" that would have defended the island, but it certainly seems like Tonga would consider it justifications for going to war if it happened near one of their islands. I'm curious what the Tongan government may have to say about this new island in their general domain.

    2. Re:Birth of an Island, Rise of a Nation... by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      Well by all accounts the Tongan soldiers where very minimally if at all armed. Clearly if you are trying to set up a new sovregn nation state an army to defend your nation is critical. There are plenty of individuals in the world with sufficient wealth to pull this off.

    3. Re:Birth of an Island, Rise of a Nation... by Cygnus78 · · Score: 1

      Some french journalists tried to do that with Surtsey in 1963, but it did not work, the island appeared in Icelandic waters and thus is Icelandic.

  30. Foot scrubbers by Joebert · · Score: 1

    I wonder if any of them took a second to realize what that brown stain was worth wrapped in plastic & sold in Bed Bath & Beyond.

    Natural Virgin Pumice Foot Scrubbers complete with Special Snake Oil -- $19.99 ea

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  31. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Are you joking, or truly an idiot? (Or do you work for Big Oil?)

    Yes, because we all know that anybody with an opinion which fails to comply with the personal idealism requirements you demand of all others can only be "joking", "idiotic" or a shill for "Big Oil".

    This is the main reason I don't give a fuck about shrill morons such as yourself and your opponents, or your hobby causes: you simply aren't worth my time.
  32. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by nido · · Score: 1
    he offers a fresh look from outside the field. Here's an email I received some months back:


    June 8th, 2006 (email text below)

    THIS PAPER SOURCE IS DESTINED TO BECOME FAMOUS:

    Levitus, who has become one of the old men of oceanography and related earth history, cited in oceanography lit. and esp. related to global warming, is very soft spoken but is clearly telling his colleagues in the backhanded way academics often say things that greenhouse gas theory is a crock. The climate change mostly is being induced by the heating of the ocean, he says....which he does not explain directly in this latest article, but he sure does lay the ground work for a lot of other oceanographers who are very very close to getting bold enough to talk about the extensive underwater volcanism they have found during the last 15 years.

    For those of technical bent, get his article and try letting it frame your thoughts about how global warming really does work.

    Warming Of The World Ocean 1955-2003
    S. Levitus, J. Antonov, and T. Boyer

    National Oceanographic Data Center, NOAA, Silver Spring, Maryland, USA
    Received 22 September 2004; revised 24 November 2004; accepted 8 December 2004; published 22 January 2005.
    GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 32, L02604, doi:10.1029/2004GL021592, 2005

    notes taken from article, some verbatim, going into my books:

    During 1955-1998 world ocean heat content (0-3000 m) increased 14.5 X 10x22 J correspoinding to a mean temperature increase of 0.037 Celcius at a rate of 0.20 Wm-2 (per unit area of Earth's total surface area).

    confirms long held suspicion that the ocean heat content is the dominant factor in the variability of the Earth's heat balance.

    world ocean responsible for 84% of the increase in world heat.

    up and down within in early 80's shows increase decrease
    this variability in the global heat system is large, significant, and COMPLETELY unknown
    may be underestimating the heating going on in the oceans

    significant impact on earth's heat balance (climate} within five year time spans

    ocean holds 1000 times as much heat as the atmosphere

    or a 0.1 celcius increase in water temp is equiv to 100 celcius increase in atmosphere

    "Our discussion here has not been to minimize the impacts of warming of the lower atmosphere due to increasing greenhouse gases, we are simply placing Earth's heat balance in perspective. The response of the Earth's climate system to changes in radiative forcing is often cast as the response of the Earth's surface temperature to these "forcings". This is understandable because we live at the Earth's surface and there has been a lack of subsurface ocean data with which to conduct Earth system heat balance studies.

    GET THE BOTTOM LINE BELOW, DO YOU SEE THAT HE IS POINTING IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN CO2? This guy has been studying climate change for 25 years and thinks the climate models are too crude at present for useful results.

    "Improved scientific understanding requires that we study the response of all components of the Earth's heat balance, of which the world ocean is the dominant term."

    get electronic data at http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/indprod.html.

    If 84% of the increased heat in global warming has come from the oceans during the past 50 years, if this is really true (and since it has been directly measured and calculated from real empirical sources it has considerable validity) you can explain ALL the anomalies of the past 40 years, most esp. those of the last ten. The theory of greenhouse gases cannot explain a single one of the current extremes in the Global Warming Syndrome, least of all the warming of the Arctic..

    For those technically inclined, have fun with this, it is a lot to chew on. This article has just recently been added to accessible archives so this is relatively new news, though it was published last year.
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  33. So can he name it? by shyampandit · · Score: 1

    Can he name the Island as he was the first to see it/step on it?

    I guess he could try to keep the Island for himself, but I guess it would then be his responsibility to protect it from other invaders..

  34. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he offers a fresh look from outside the field.

      Oh, crackpot. Gotcha.

  35. So Lex Luthor's dad was wrong... by tehSpork · · Score: 1

    They are making more land these days!

  36. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    he offers a fresh look from outside the field

    Translation: He drags up stale non-sequiters because he hasn't got a fucking clue.

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  37. Right. Well, Except for Global Warming... by Lensar · · Score: 1

    Global warming is all our fault. But this other stuff, yeah. We live in on an amazingly complex planet.

  38. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    "Why would there suddenly be an increase in volcanic activity in the last 50 years?"

    Apparently melting glaciers have caused a slight increase in sismic activity. Some oddballs think increased sismic activity equates to increased vulcanisim and "disproves" AGW or at least absolves human's of any blame. Kinda like some poeple still insist on perverting science to support a literal interpretation of "The" bible, only they pervert science to support their version of "The" economy.

    "The increase in CO2 over the last century would cause an increase in water temperature as well..."

    Indeed it has and will continue to do so for another half century even if we stopped all emmissions today, the accompaning "thermal expansion" from the wamer water is a large part of the predicted sea level rises. However the lag between atmosphere warming and ocean warming (that incidently demonstrates cause/effect) means that we are only just now seeing the full effect of the CO2 released in the 50's. Even worse than wet feet is that as the ocean dissolves more CO2 it becomes acidic creating a hostile environment for things on the bottom of the food chain, like phytoplankton and coral. Coral reefs in particular are the "cannaries" of the ocean and 30% of them are now dead.

    Mankind (including this little black duck), lacks the enlightenment to eliminate poverty and look after the garden with or without a religion although I suspect we have the ability to do so. The industrial revolution has become Frankenstien's monster turning on it's master first with sophisticated weapons and three-eyed fish, and finally a increasingly likely global famine. Yet I as much as any other would still like a technological fix so my showers can last more than three minutes (where I live the cities are on permenent and increasingly severe water rations). Preferably I would like to see it achived by getting economists "onboard" to suggest ways of "steering" the global economy in the "green" and "human rights" direction (eg: The Stern report) rather than the false greenie vs capitalist dichotomy that has been shoved down our throats since the 70's and has done nothing but squander time. /rant

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  39. Dandelion... by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 0, Redundant

    When lava pours out near the sea surface, tremendous volcanic explosions sometimes occur. In time, submarine seamounts, or islands, are formed. When lava flows underwater, it behaves differently. And a new contraption to capture a 'dandelion' in one piece has been put together by the crew. The preparation for a dive is always a tense time. When lava pours out near the sea surface, tremendous volcanic explosions sometimes occur.

  40. He's coming! by gcantallopsr · · Score: 1

    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn...

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  41. This is a story all about how... by billster0808 · · Score: 1

    We are getting emails from volcanologists saying this is so rare, but I thought "naw, forget it". Yo homes to Bel-Air!

  42. Breaking News! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    This just in! The new island has suddenly lurched into the air and is now headed skywards. There are unconfirmed reports that a man with a cape was seen at the bottom of this former island. It was assumed to be Superman but since the island was made of kryptonite, this is actively being debated on the internet.

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  43. Totally off topic by BlueCoder · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Can we please get some more sunday night editors....

    P.S. Redirect it where you will. I'm getting tired of the monday tuesday morning flood. It's would be nice to have at least three stories ready late night sunday. Republish a few latent rehashes if you have to.

  44. Quick! by nilbog · · Score: 1

    Quick, someone bring a flag! One thing they're not making anymore of these days is land - this is a rare opportunity to increase our land ownership without having to kill anyone!

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    1. Re:Quick! by potat0man · · Score: 1

      One thing they're not making anymore of these days is land

      ummmmmmm. RTFA.

    2. Re:Quick! by nilbog · · Score: 1

      Hence the "rare" opportunity. Besides, it was a joke for anyone who has ever seen Eddie Izzard (sp?) or Arrested Development.

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  45. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by Quagmit3 · · Score: 1

    Haha, agreed. "says that oceanographers have 50+ years of data logging ocean temperatures, that prove this theory beyond any shadow of a doubt." We mapped the globe for 2000 years and some people still believe the earth is round. Face it, all science is based on public perspective. What the world believes is what is labeled facts ;)

  46. Re:Prediction for 2007: CO2 loses stature by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

    he offers a fresh look from outside the field. Here's an email I received some months back:


    June 8th, 2006 (email text below)

    THIS PAPER SOURCE IS DESTINED TO BECOME FAMOUS:

    Levitus, who has become one of the old men of oceanography and related earth history, cited in oceanography lit. and esp. related to global warming, is very soft spoken but is clearly telling his colleagues in the backhanded way academics often say things that greenhouse gas theory is a crock. The climate change mostly is being induced by the heating of the ocean, he says....which he does not explain directly in this latest article, but he sure does lay the ground work for a lot of other oceanographers who are very very close to getting bold enough to talk about the extensive underwater volcanism they have found during the last 15 years.

    For those of technical bent, get his article and try letting it frame your thoughts about how global warming really does work.

    Warming Of The World Ocean 1955-2003
    S. Levitus, J. Antonov, and T. Boyer

    National Oceanographic Data Center, NOAA, Silver Spring, Maryland, USA
    Received 22 September 2004; revised 24 November 2004; accepted 8 December 2004; published 22 January 2005.
    GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 32, L02604, doi:10.1029/2004GL021592, 2005

    notes taken from article, some verbatim, going into my books:
    • Did you also believe the Penis Enlargement mail you got?
    • Why didn't anybody else notice this increase in underwater volcanic activity (there seems to be no increase in overwater volcanic activity) - and what the heck causes it?
    • Last but not least, why does this guy quote an article that does not mention volcanos, but instead says:
    Discussion and Perspective
    [10] In terms of the causes of the increase in ocean heat content we believe that the long-term trend as seen in these records is due to the increase of greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmosphere [Levitus et al., 2001].
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  47. Leave it pristine by banditski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one who thinks we should agree to leave this new island pristine and uninhabited and study it as nature takes hold? I think it would be fascinating to watch as plants then birds then whatever else begin to colonize the island. Perhaps in a few hundred to a few thousand years we'd see some natural selection a la Darwin's finches on the Galapagos Islands.

  48. should i buy it? by yosofun · · Score: 1

    i've always wanted a brand new island made in the last fiscal year. guess i ought to buy this one... but... who owns it?

  49. Jesus schmesus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's global warming!!! Now we're causing the interior of the planet to heat up and islands are bubbling up everywhere! Oh noes!!11oneone!1

  50. Satellite pictures by cosmol · · Score: 2, Informative

    What a great story for the new year, but it should be said that this island formed this past august.

    Someone posted these links to satellite pics on the blog page.

    http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA01899

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/sh ownh.php3?img_id=13971

  51. I was actually out there... by mclearn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No kidding. I was sailing from New Zealand to Vanuatu when this happened. Our ham radio was awash in traffic as this thing surfaced. The problem with pumice is that it floats on the water and reduces the surface tension. When your boat goes through it, you get all your expensive ablative paint scraped off...and then you sink a few feet into the water. If you don't have enough freeboard (the amount of boat height from waterline to decking), then you *will* sink. The other thing is that you can't actually use your motor very well, so you have try to sail out...this is obviously a problem during nighttime when you can't see anything and you end up running right into it. That'll wake you up.

  52. "So" What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the second Slashdot story I have seen in the last week with an ambiguous use of the word "so." I hate to sound like a grammar nazi, but when you say something is "so rare" or (as in the previous story) contains "so many variables," you have to complete the the comparison, or you just sound like an idiot.

    Please, tell me how rare it is -- "so rare" THAT WHAT?

  53. I blame global warming by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 1

    If islands can rise like that, it can only mean that sea levels are falling as global warming increases evaporation and...

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  54. Word of the day! by ephemeralspecter · · Score: 1

    Word of the Day for Monday, January 1, 2007 nascent \NAS-uhnt; NAY-suhnt\, adjective: Beginning to exist or having recently come into existence; coming into being. not that nascent is a particularly tricky word, but i just thought it was funny to see someone actually using it as intended :D

    1. Re:Word of the day! by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      not that nascent is a particularly tricky word, but i just thought it was funny to see someone actually using it as intended
      As it occurred in a slashdot summary, I think the phrase you want is in fact "a fucking miracle."
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  55. Why is this making me laugh so hard? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

    I must be more sleep-deprived than I thought.

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  56. not very noisy seismically by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Volcanic erruptions may not create a lot seismic noise to be detected by worldwide seismographs or submarine hydrophones. There may not be an explosion. There is a volcanic noise called "harmonic earthquake" which kind of a long gurgle of moving lava. Fault earthquakes have sharp onsets, many frequencies, and strong energy while harmonic quakes dont have sharp onsets and are relatively monochromatic. Quake observation software is not tuned for these kind of quakes.

  57. Praise Natalie Portman by spun · · Score: 1

    And pass the hot grit!

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