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How Apple Kept the iPhone Secret

An anonymous reader writes "Bogus prototypes, bullying the press, stifling pillow talk — all to keep iPhone under wraps. Fortune's Peter Lewis goes inside one of the year's biggest tech launches. One of the most astonishing things about the new Apple iPhone, introduced yesterday by Steve Jobs at the annual Macworld trade show, is how Apple managed to keep it a secret for nearly two-and-a-half years of development while working with partners like Cingular, Yahoo and Google."

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  1. Secret? What secret? by thegameiam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given the absurd numbers of rumours which abounded over the past few months, what is this "secret" of which you speak?

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  2. How to keep somthing seceret. by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Step 1) dont tell anyone about it.
    Step 2) dont deny it exists.

    Thats about it realy.

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  3. Secret? by slughead · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think most of us who tool around the macrumor sites had a pretty good idea of what they were going to release. The only 'secret' was when. I wasn't surprised by any feature the phone had.

  4. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, you are.

  5. Not all that's secret by hirschma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems that Apple is keeping the secrecy going... questions that I have:

    - What processor?
    - How much "system" RAM in the thing?
    - Can users install their own software? Rumor is that you cannot - you have to buy it from Apple or Cingular.
    - What bluetooth profiles are available?
    - Can I get shell?

    I have a feeling that this is not going to be a geek's toy.

    jh

    1. Re:Not all that's secret by rovingeyes · · Score: 2, Interesting
      - Can users install their own software? Rumor is that you cannot - you have to buy it from Apple or Cingular.

      Wanna bet? Its a matter of time, before it gets hacked. This is too good a device to just leave it alone. Heck I'd even learn objective-C if I had to.

    2. Re:Not all that's secret by amokk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that the stunning overwhelming majority of cellphone users will not pass over the iPhone because they cannot get a shell. It'll be a geek's toy in the sense that it'll probably do more than any other cellphone out there today while simultaneously doing it in a more elegant way than has so far been conceived. It'll be a geek's toy in that it has a good web-browser installed from the get-go instead of some barely useable, slapped-together piece of crap that most cellphone users nowadays have come to accept as a "mobile browser." It'll be a geek's toy in the sense that it has some real horsepower behind it to do what many people would like to be able to do with their current phones.

      I think what Apple has here is a "digital life manager" first that is incidentally also a cellphone. They will absolutely not miss the market of people who want to open a goddamn shell on their phone.

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    3. Re:Not all that's secret by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a feeling that this is not going to be a geek's toy.

      Probably not. Which is so self-destructively stupid of Apple. I signed up on their developer network within minutes of seeing this thing, and was ready to plop down a few grand for a top-of-the-line Macbook to learn development on OS X until I read that reps at the show were saying that it wasn't going to support third-party software. As much as this device is going to sell, it will have zero presence in enterprise markets, and serious people will never buy one because no one is going to carry two phones. They could have owned the mobile market.

      I don't know why I was surprised. They only implement software as a means to end - to sell hardware. And as illustrated by their name change, the trend for their hardware is going to be overpriced toys.

    4. Re:Not all that's secret by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can users install their own software? Rumor is that you cannot - you have to buy it from Apple or Cingular.

      There hasn't been any real information on this, but I've heard people complaining that it will be sold "as is", and that you won't be able to get new software on it at all. While nothing has really been said about it, it seems ridiculous to me. Jobs made a big deal of the idea that it's running OSX with support for Cocoa and Core Animation and such. He made a point of saying that the screen would allow people to think of new, clever interfaces and be able to add things that are unforeseen at the time the device is sold. These statements don't make a lot of sense unless they intend to encourage third-party development.

      My guess is that the version of Xcode distributed with Leopard will have support for making iPhone applications and widgets. I suppose it's possible that Apple and Cingular would try to control installation, but it doesn't seem realistic. First, it would discourage 3rd party development. Second, these things tend to get hacked, and Apple knows it. The only reason to do it would be if Cingular insisted, but Cingular might just be happy to be gaining so many data-plan subscribers.

    5. Re:Not all that's secret by xjerky · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Not support" is not the same as "not run". I can see why Apple doesn't want to feild requests of random people trying to get particular apps running on it.

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    6. Re:Not all that's secret by gb506 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Probably not. Which is so self-destructively stupid of Apple.


      If features and extensibility were the key to consumer adoption and sales success, then iPod would have failed. You clearly do not understand the fact that success for Apple in the phone market it is not about supporting feature x that 1 in 5000 users would care about, it's about focusing on the totality of the offering and making sure it "just works"

    7. Re:Not all that's secret by soft_guy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Duds currently has a phone with no service - he dials 911 every time he wants to order a pizza.

      Operator: "911 - what is the nature of your emergency"
      Duds: "I'm starving to death; send over a pizza!"
      Operator: "You again!!"

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    8. Re:Not all that's secret by S3D · · Score: 3, Informative
      Can users install their own software? Rumor is that you cannot - you have to buy it from Apple or Cingular.
      Legally most probably no. Consider how paranoid apple about iPod games - developers had to send their sources to apple and can't even run binaries on the real device, not speaking about on-device debugging. About underground hacking - hassle with versions, danger of bricking the device, voiding warranty - most users probably wouldn't bother.
    9. Re:Not all that's secret by badasscat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's an even better one, a "VGA+" display at 690x480. http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/foma/903i/n903i /topics_01.html .

      Yes, these are of course Japanese phones, and Japanese phones are for some reason much more advanced than western phones.


      While you're at it, why not show off NTT's full FOMA lineup? Here: http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/foma/

      Almost all of these have better raw specs than the iPhone, with higher res screens and cameras, expandable memory, user-installable apps, 3D graphics and more. You'll also notice that the Japanese have almost universally shunned any form factor other than the clamshell... just as we have. That's going to be a big problem for the iPhone in terms of attracting mainstream users (in the United States). The iPhone's problem is that it's attempting to redefine a market that's already been defined through market forces; it's not like we've never had candy bar style phones here before, and it's not like we haven't had touch screens. They just don't sell as well as clamshells, and phones with buttons.

      Back to NTT, though... what's the one thing all of these have that the iPhone doesn't? 3G support (which is old hat in Japan at this point). Another big minus for the iPhone. It's not like Cingular doesn't have 3G phones here either - I've got one myself. So this is another big negative - how are you expected to actually make use of all of the iPhone's internet features on a 2G network?

      On the one hand, it doesn't serve much purpose to compare the iPhone to Japanese phones, which are almost universally more advanced than ours (funny thing is NTT does sell the Moto Razr, but it's like at the bottom of their lineup of already bottom-rung 2G non-FOMA phones, and I didn't see a single one last time I was there). On the other, I do think it's worth pointing out that the iPhone is really not as advanced as some people seem to think it is. And I also think it's interesting (and telling) that even a place like Japan, which has embraced Apple's design ethos and which places so much importance on industrial design, continues down the clamshell/button road even in their ultra-high end stuff. There are reasons for this. Apple should have taken a lesson.

    10. Re:Not all that's secret by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a point in fact, we don't know that it's not an Intel chip (unless you know something I don't). Jobs highlighted that it ran OSX as part of his speech that it runs "desktop-level applications", not because of eye candy. They made a point of having "widgets" that seem to be pretty much identical to those "widgets" that run on the desktop. Even if it isn't an Intel chip, Xcode already allows you to compile for different archictures (universal binaries), so I'm not sure why it couldn't handle making apps for whatever is on the phone. You just wouldn't want to use universal binaries on the phone for the sake of file-size.

      I'm not claiming that it will necessarily make sense to directly port applications from the desktop to the phone. However, I predict there will be a kit within Xcode for making iPhone applications. I think that, in the short term, Apple might treat 3rd party apps as unsupported hacks, while they try to congeal a long-term vision for what the device will become. However, in the long term, I'd bet that it will become a new form-factor for general computing, and it will be about as open as the Macintosh platform.

    11. Re:Not all that's secret by alanQuatermain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given that it is highly doubtful that there is an Intel processor inside the iPhone, it will mean recompilation to run on the CPU that is in there. Honestly, given the form factor, it's much like trying to take a Win32 application to CE or vice versa - it doesn't work. Not because you can't scrape or expand the API to fit one another, it's just a totally different UI paradigm.

      It's worth remembering that Xcode already has cross-platform compilation built in via gcc, and that likely the APIs used for user-level applications will be Objective-C, which shields programmers from a lot of low-level stuff. ObjC's message-passing even insulates developers from things like function-call ABIs to a large extent. Don't forget that OS X is based on NeXTStep & OpenStep, which (just like the PPC/Intel 'universal binaries') were able to recompile/bundle applications to run on multiple processors. Unless you're doing something fairly close-to-the-metal, writing apps via the Cocoa framework (and probably a separate ObjC iPhone framework) will likely mean that compilation is just a couple of clicks away -- and it'll build an Intel/PPC version for local debugging, and an (ARM? PPC? etc?) for deployment/final testing.

      As for the differing UI, it's not all that difficult to change an app to match that -- after all, we're talking about a somewhat slimmed-down device -- because it would use the same standard high-level view, control, and layout code. While something like Delicious Library might have some potential for an iPhone application, it wouldn't look exactly the same, because the current UI for it has been designed -- by the app's developers -- according to a larger available screen. For something with a small screen, it could be tweaked to have each view appear in sequence, like the iPod menus & the iPhone mail application: List of libraries, contents of library (even with the cover browser UI), and select an item to view details. But being Objective-C, it likely wouldn't need a vast deal of changes beyond that; the code for each view might well be exactly the same. Certainly the item information view probably needn't change, nor the library list. The cover/shelf view might need tweaking to optimize it for smaller displays -- then again even that might not be necessary.

      Then again, we may be restricted to HTML/Javascript 'widgets' -- who knows?

      -Q

    12. Re:Not all that's secret by loraksus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably not. Which is so self-destructively stupid of Apple

      Yeah, but a cell phone company is going to be selling this.
      Since when have you know a phone company not to be full of thieving motherfuckers who will cripple hardware (without labeling it as such and denying that it is crippled) so that they can sell an overpriced, poor quality service to you like $1 to send a 320x200 "picture mail?"

      I'm not trying to troll or anything, just take a look at any cell phone provider out there.

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    13. Re:Not all that's secret by nasch · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The iPhone's problem is that it's attempting to redefine a market that's already been defined through market forces; it's not like we've never had candy bar style phones here before, and it's not like we haven't had touch screens. They just don't sell as well as clamshells, and phones with buttons.
      If you read through the keynote, you can see that their goal is to take 1% of the phone market (USA, IIRC). Clearly they have no designs on this thing selling as well as clamshells, and it can be a big success without doing so or ever becoming any kind of market leader. You would be missing the forest for the trees anyway if you didn't notice that a $500 phone isn't going to be mainstream no matter what it looks like, what features it has, or who makes it. What happens if/when 1) it's shown to be everything the demo promised 2) it proves durable 3) the price comes down and 4) it's available from other providers will be very, very interesting, though.
    14. Re:Not all that's secret by danigiri · · Score: 3, Informative

      "You'll also notice that the Japanese have almost universally shunned any form factor other than the clamshell... just as we have"

      Yeah, but not in Europe, no.

      While I personally prefer clamshell style phones, in Europe candy-bar is either king or head-to-head (around 17/28 offers on Spanish Vodafone-subsidized consumer phones are clamshell http://tienda.vodafone.es/do/catalogo/moviles/todo s ), hell, not so long ago Nokia candy-bars were nearly universal around here...

      Do not underestimate the phone market, it is HUGE, and there are many massive markets besides the US and Japan, Europe is no small fry (GSM / GPRS is truly universal in Europe and it was spearheaded here). On the other hand, UMTS and beyond is yet to gain a significant foothold in the mass-market consumer phone european market, no matter where the markedroids would like UMTS (and others) to be, it is nowhere as ubiquitous as GPRS/GSM.

      3G is still to become what it's meant to become, no true killer-apps, no user critical-mass, expensive provider fees, expensive provider fees perception, sub-par network coverage (heck, my GPRS phone sound quality and coverage runs rings around my CIO's 3G exec phone), FUD about the VoIP and other data services, etc.

      Don't discount other markets in the phone business, don't discount legacy, don't discount 2G, don't discount 2.5G...

    15. Re:Not all that's secret by Kesh · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Essentially, Apple wants anything running on an Apple product to be either developed and provided by Apple or provided by another party which is under contract from Apple so that Apple still has control over the software.

      You've obviously never actually looked at the Mac software market. Even a quick glance at VersionTracker will show thousands of apps not developed by Apple, nor developed under contract with Apple.

    16. Re:Not all that's secret by juniorbird · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, clamshell has won out at the consumer level, but how many clamshell smartphones do you see out there? Sure, there's the Nokia 9000 series, but virtually every smartphone is either candybar or candybar with a slide-out keyboard. Smartphone users have shown themselves prepared to accept the candybar form-factor, and that's the target market for this product.

      Perhaps this is because of the advantages that candybar offers for some applications. Basically the entire interface on the iPhone would've been impossible if it had two smaller screens rather than one large screen. The Nintendo DS is a great gaming machine but I'm not sure that I'm interested in using its two screens togther to watch Pirates of the Caribbean.

      Hipsters have also embraced the candybar, with the Hiptop and Sidekick. That's much more the price point of the iPhone.

      It's also important to note that the latest successful clamshell phones -- especially the RAZR -- have been dramatically thinner. It's much harder to make thin with all of the widgets and gadgets that need to go into a smartphone. Apple delivered on thin, which is clearly desired by all market segments.

      The "crappy" Cingular network is a common complaint against the phone. One thing to note is that Cingular has never crippled its phones, which was key to Apple here -- as fast as Verizon's network may be, they charge for every feature use, and that would have killed the iPhone. So this is a big win for most users, including those who want to install apps.

      Also, the network isn't that bad. Compared to other USA networks, coverage is about the same, and nobody offers the data speed that you can get on other continents. Worry about service more if Apple chooses a crappy European carrier. Cingular and T-Mobile were the only possible US choices for national coverage with GSM, and both are about equal in what they offer.

      Back to installing apps: it's not clear if the OS X on the iPhone is similar to the desktop version, if it is, that's a killer app. The creative and executive types who will shell out for this kind of thing would much rather install something they already use on their desktop than some application designed just for the phone. Half of the effort expended in selecting and using a smartphone is finding applications that allow productivity on the phone while syncing in some way with the desktop. If Apple made it possible to run OS X apps on this phone -- and I actually think they didn't, but that's another discussion entirely -- that fixes an entire class of problems that smartphone users have, whether or not other phones offer downloadable applications.

      You're right to point out that the iPhone isn't that innovative. It does few things that my Treo doesn't do, or that a Windows Smartphone, Blackberry, Blackjack, etc., don't do. But it seems to do them more easily and smoothly, as well as looking better while it does them. That's a good selling proposition.

  6. How sad... by Skadet · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As Macworld approached, dinners were missed, kids were not tucked in properly, and family plans were disrupted, especially over the holidays. And for what? "Sorry, that's classified" is not considered a satisfactory answer in many households when Mom or Dad misses the school play or the big wedding anniversary dinner.


    I'm not sure any job is worth this, let alone producing a gadget.
    1. Re:How sad... by iPodUser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree, but its not like the employees weren't warned. All you need to do is watch "Pirates of silicon Valley" to know that working with Apple is a little bit more of a commitment. If you want a 9-5 with no innovation then go work for microsoft. Sure the iPhone team worked their asses off, but if this thing is as good as it looks in the demo shots, then this team can hold their collective head high for years to come.

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    2. Re:How sad... by EXMSFT · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you want a 9-5 with no innovation then go work for microsoft.

      Oh. Ow. Words that hurt.

      But seriously. Microsoft may be like that in some parts today - and why the hell not, it's a giant sloth-like beast with 50K fulltime employees and probably nearly that many contractors. However, there are quite a few areas where Microsoft (that's a "big" M on there for you, my Mac-loving friend) does innovate and create cool new software. And the reality (I can tell you from experience) is that it's often much more than a M-F 9-5 commitment.

    3. Re:How sad... by jzuska · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, this crowd sure is getting crotchety.

  7. Secret or not... by jimstapleton · · Score: 2

    It's the first Apple product I really wanted.

    A full fledged PC OS on a PDA, the phone part is nice too...

    If they make those things for Sprint, I'd get one.

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    1. Re:Secret or not... by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not a troll, this is the new hip gadget for yuppies. It won't cut it, imho, for business use because no matter how many times Jobs says it, you really do need a keyboard. It's also mac-centric, and thereby incompatible with most MS-house stuff (i.e. outlook).

      I'd say it's potential downfall is the size - it's got a larger footprint than most full-size PDA phones. The HTC TyTN is 4mm smaller in both height and width, though it is thicker.

      I'd have preferred the iPhone nano - something I can swap my SIM into when I leave the PDA/phone on my dresser for the weekend.

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    2. Re:Secret or not... by phayes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's got a logical keyboard for casual use and if you really need more, bluetooth, so you should be able to pair it with a BT keyboard.

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  8. Forgot about Cisco? by Non-CleverNickName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With all of this recent iPhone talk, why haven't I seen a single mention about Cisco already trademarking the "iPhone" and creating their own iPhone a month or so ago?
    Have Cisco and Apple settled their talks over the trademark usage?

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  9. Re:How to keep something seceret. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny
    Ha! Apple is nothing!

    You don't even know IF my company exists, not to speak of WHAT we're going to produce.

    I'm just gonna scrummage around in my closet for my old turtleneck and then watch out!

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  10. Am i the only person surprised by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Interesting

    as the size of the thing? Thats a fairly hefty unit to try and pass off as a phone.

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    1. Re:Am i the only person surprised by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you need to reconsider that statement in light of the iPhone's price and feature set. It may be good at making phone calls, but it is in the same class of device as smart phones, not regular mobiles.

    2. Re:Am i the only person surprised by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you really know how big it is? It's not that big. From the data people have been posting, it seems that the iPhone is smaller than a Motorola Q, and just a little bigger than a SLVR. For something with the iPhone's capabilities, I'd say that it's satisfactorily small.

    3. Re:Am i the only person surprised by clonmult · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How does it compete with the Blackberry?

      The iPhone seamlessly integrates with corporate exchange systems? Nope. Does it last for a week on one charge of the battery? Nope. A decent keyboard to type on with tactile feedback? Nope.

      I was supporting a corporate Blackberry roll-out, and the management absolutely loved the devices (7230, 7290 models), they did exactly what they wanted - make calls (for the few that had that enabled), and keep on their e-mail without having to connect to a wifi hotspot. And the fact that most of them could go away from the office for a week and not have to take a charger was a massive bonus.

      No, the iPhone doesn't directly compete with the Blackberry/Treo. Its more a competitor to the SE W950, which is a similar phone overall, but I think that I'd stick with the SE. Its cheaper, available NOW, based on a considerably more mature phone/mobile OS (Symbian).

    4. Re:Am i the only person surprised by ack154 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought it looked kinda big too... well, still thin, but height and width seemed large. Then I watched this video on CBS and it makes it look much more like a phone-sized device that isn't gigantic.

  11. Everyone knew, but nobody knew... by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Interesting
    that the thing was going to rock.

    After checking the feature set on Apple's web site, mark me down for at least two of those things.

    My Treo looks positively anemic in comparison. It is enough to overcome my disgust for Cingular too.

    I dont think anyone outside of Apple anticipated just how well recieved that phone would be.

  12. Hence no FCC approval by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's interesting to see that Apple "gets it". They must have been planning on doing the iPhone for a long time - for there are legions of people who scour the FCC website regularly for new registrations to catch the latest and greatest cellphone to hit the market. And add to that the legions of Apple fans who probably scour the FCC website just incase there's something wireless going to hit the market.

    That's why iPhone doesn't have approval (though I bet it already passes certification - they just haven't filed yet) - the instant it's filed, it's public information, and Apple hates that. (Especially since a lot of collateral gets filed - internal photos, external photos, user manuals, lab reports, etc).

    Honestly, until now, I really didn't find anything that made me want a new cellphone (the one I have is great, but it's coming up in the years), so I wouldn't know what to get when it died. Guess I do now. It's pricey, but I paid more for my current smartphone...

    And given how difficult it is to do a cellphone (very - carriers are very picky - if the color of the button is wrong... or if it has certain features like call timers or byte counters...), I wouldn't see Apple as being able to get one in since it has no experience. (I expected it to be some super-hyped rumor that someone started and everyone ran with it after being upset at how crappy their current phone was, or some half-assed thing as is typical reaction.). But I suppose GSM carriers are less strict than CDMA ones since you don't strictly need carrier approval to sell a GSM handset (just replace the SIM card).

  13. Agreed by snowwrestler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me the untold story is how Apple managed to build such a strong buzz for their product, while avoiding any of the negative backlash that can accompany such a campaign (compare to Sony's PSP debacle right before the holidays, for instance).

    They waged a viral campaign so effective that analysts and customers were basically demanding to be given the opportunity to purchase the new product--and they did it so silently that I'll probably get responses arguing that Apple didn't even do a campaign. THAT, to me, is the real story of secret-keeping.

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    1. Re:Agreed by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did you see the keynote. It's not just a phone + iPod, it's a smartphone (with all of the features you expect when you hear "smartphone") + iPod with an interface that doesn't suck. A smartphone with an interface that doesn't suck is truly newsworthy, as the industry has been trying to build that for years and failing miserably.

      I do think there is a bit of euphoria right now over the product launch that is likely to subside a bit as June rolls around and people remember that $700 is a hell of a lot of money for a phone, smart or no.

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    2. Re:Agreed by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That's the parent's whole point! Nobody should care about the iPhone. It doesn't do anything that hasn't already been done by the likes of Motorola, Samsung, Nokia and a dozen other companies, including Apple itself.

      That's a bunch of bullshit and you know it. Or at least you should. No one has delivered a smartphone that is a joy to use. It looks like the Apple phone will be just that. Every smartphone to date has been a fucking atrocity.

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    3. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, $500 and $600. Still a lot, but not $700.

    4. Re:Agreed by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Did you see the keynote. It's not just a phone + iPod, it's a smartphone (with all of the features you expect when you hear "smartphone") + iPod with an interface that doesn't suck. A smartphone with an interface that doesn't suck is truly newsworthy, as the industry has been trying to build that for years and failing miserably.


      Agreed: it's the "doesn't suck" that's key. Apple's iPod wasn't the first portable MP3 player by a long shot, but they created one that was small, stylish, had a good interface, and was actually enjoyable to use (and yes, marketed the hell out of it). Apple took the portable MP3 player to the masses and led a revolution in how we listen to music. They don't deserve all the credit, but in putting out the first non-sucky MP3 player, and in continuing to push the boundaries of the technology, they deserve a heck of a lot of credit.

      The question here is, can they do the same thing to phones that they did to music players? Coming off the successes of the iPod, I wouldn't count them out. On the other hand, the iPod is a tough act to follow, and Apple has created a monster wave of hype that they're somehow going to have to live up to. This thing has to be good enough to survive on more than novelty and buzz, it's got to offer real advantages over your cell phone, rather than just being an awkward chimera of phone and iPod.

      I think that Apple is clearly heading in the right direction. But being a pioneer is dangerous. Think back on the Newton- it came out not quite ready for prime time, so even after they got the text recognition working better, they had already lost the brief opportunity to capitalize on the device's novelty and buzz, and it never really took off. One or two major snafus in the iPhone and the same thing could happen.

    5. Re:Agreed by p0tat03 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the parent's whole point! Nobody should care about the iPhone. It doesn't do anything that hasn't already been done by the likes of Motorola, Samsung, Nokia and a dozen other companies, including Apple itself.

      Since when has Apple ever been about doing things that others cannot? The iPod doesn't have any functionality that other mp3 players don't have, Macs don't have any real hardware that your average PC doesn't have already... The secret sauce for Apple is usability and fashion/style. They took bland, boring mp3 players, and made it cool to use and wear. They took clunky laptops and made it sleek and sexy. They are doing the exact same to cell phones. Technically there is nothing the iPhone does that the vast majority of smartphones cannot - but the iPhone looks slick, it looks like it'll be a joy to use, and it'll be cool as hell to have it.

      Which, in the end is exactly where they want to be. Why sell bargain-basement hardware for low margins when you can hook the self-proclaimed elite that are willing to pay a premium for ease of use and cool bling factor?

    6. Re:Agreed by hamburger+lady · · Score: 5, Insightful

      i think when the parent said 'joy to use' he/she was talking about to the average person, not to the sort of person that would run linux on their phone.

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    7. Re:Agreed by tzhuge · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know how much of a smartphone it really is. It might end up being a device with a limited first-party set of apps. We will have to wait and see. Personally, I don't think it is in the same niche as the Blackberry. Reports will probably want to stick with the ugly keypad to report in from the field. The iPhone seems like something that could gain wide adoption like the iPod. Just imagine every person on the bus with an iPhone instead of an iPod. Email and internet access on a mobile device should be for everybody not just for the few business users. To me, the iPhone is the portable convergence device we've been promised for a long long time. The 'Oragami' should have been something like this. I think the biggest challenge for Apple is that they need a cellular service provider to catch up to their way of thinking. We have the vision represented in a device from Apple, now we need a cellular provider to realize that data access should be a standard part of every cellphone plan just like calls and it shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. I'm sure the iPhone will enjoy some success but whether or not it becomes a revolutionary device depends on others... and that is quite unfortunate for Apple.

    8. Re:Agreed by brendan0powers · · Score: 2, Funny

      If its anything like the ipod, you can expect 1) An elegant but oversimplified interface 2) You will need a case for it or in a few months it will be so badly scratched its difficult to read 3) The first generation of these phones will have serious defects Also, the long term cost for the phone is enormous. To take full advantage of the phone you will need a Cingular plan, plus an unlimited data plan. All in a 2 year contract. So that 600+(24*100)=$3,000. Thats a price most people are not willing or able to pay. The most the average person can hope for from this phone is that other manufactures will take some of its features for there newer phones.

    9. Re:Agreed by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have to agree with you.

      One of my biggest gripes when moving to a Treo 600 (I now own a 650) from a Kyocera 6035 was the fact that it was too easy to smudge the display with a cheek imprint during normal telephone operation. This was because the Kyocera had a GIANT keypad over the display that flipped down for PDA usage (It was, by all standards, a phone first and a PDA second, unlike all of its smartphone predecessors. I consider the Kyo 6035 to be the first good smartphone.) This keypad protected 75% of the screen during normal "phone" usage and transport. The Kyo 7135 was a step forward in screen protection, unfortunately Kyo botched the software on that one. :(

      The iPhone takes that issue and makes it FAR worse - the screen is no longer recessed or protected in any way. It'll get smudged by fingerprints during normal PDA operation, smudged by one's cheek during normal phone operation, easily scratched during transport, and potentially easily scratched during normal usage if you oversleep and have to run to work without shaving.

      Apple doesn't seem to have noticed that every attempt at a phone that didn't have tactile buttons for basic phone functionality (i.e. real buttons for actual dialing) has been a massive flop. Telephone users want (in fact NEED) to be able to "dial blind". This is why my Kyo 6035's giant dialing buttons (it wasn't a thumbboard, it just had the basic phone keys) had a little raised bump on the 5 key, as did my Treo 600 and current 650. As slick as Apple's UI is, they have no way of replicating such a simple and critical feature as the ability to locate a "home" key on your device's interface for "no-look" dialing.

      What next, after 50 years of being taught that proper typists don't look at their keyboards, is Steve going to try to replace Mac keyboards with an on-screen gimmick? That is effectively what he is trying to do with the iPhone.

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    10. Re:Agreed by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      When apple shows us a demo and claims they're going to give us what they showed us, they then generally proceed to actually give us what they showed us. I believe that the iPhone will do what they said it would because of Apple's history. Do I think it will be flawless? No, also based on Apple's history. Nonetheless I believe it will deliver on the explicit promises.

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    11. Re:Agreed by Rethcir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think you'll necessarily NEED a data plan, since it will run off WiFi as well. Just means you can only web browse from a hotspot, and you better download those google map directions before you hop in the car.

    12. Re:Agreed by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cause it looks like an overpriced hunk of junk to me.

      By definition, pretty much all current cellphones on the market are overpriced hunks of junk. I mean, what's the RAZR, except for a form factor that would fit into a Nun's vagina?

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    13. Re:Agreed by djupedal · · Score: 2, Informative

      "As slick as Apple's UI is, they have no way of replicating such a simple and critical feature as the ability to locate a "home" key on your device's interface for "no-look" dialing."
      And no need. The iPhone has one button, lower front/middle, called the 'Home' button. Punch it...say the name you want and wait for the other party to come online - no answer? You will have the option to SMS, email or IM that same number.

    14. Re:Agreed by coleridge78 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Get a life. In everything but the bargain-basement end and one narrow stripe in the absolute middle-of-the-road (ie, easiest to capitalize on economies of scale), everything Apple does is cheaper than any competitor for equivalent (and often better) specs. Towers, minis, notebooks, MP3 players. In the budget-but-not-trash and everything above the absolute middle (ie, all pro gear) they're anywhere from 10% to 25% cheaper than Dell, Gateway, and the like. We're talking hundreds of dollars on good notebooks, over a thousand on high-end towers. Do the research yourself, or read any of the myriad articles (even by pro-PC sources) that have looked at this and acknowledge it. Seriously. Give it up, trolls.

  14. Re:Not Kept For Very Long by jaiyen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Keeping something a secret until six months before release is much, much easier than keeping it a secret until release day.

    Looks like that wasn't an option this time. If you read the TFA it says:

    In the end, Apple decided to reveal the iPhone several months ahead of its official June launch because it could not keep the secret any more. Apple has to file with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for the permits needed to operate the iPhone, and once those public filings are made, Apple has no control over the release of that information. So, Jobs said, he made the decision to have Apple tell the world about its new phone, rather than the FCC.

  15. Actually, It's quite simple... by Voltar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Jobs keeps the Apple engineers locked up in the dungeon under Building 7 with little food or water (If someone ask for more, he's sold to Oracle...MS treats their employees too well) until George Lucas shows up and puts his "Window Dressing-No Substance" stamp of approval on the product and recommends Hayden Christenson to be the spokesman for the product *shudder*. Only then does the Marketing Department get wind of the product and start fine-tuning the Reality Distortion Field...er...Job's presentation.

  16. Re:Secret? What secret? by Merkwurdigeliebe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While Mr. Wu and many other analysts who scour the supply chains for hints of what might come had an idea that an Apple phone device was almost certainly imminent; no one outside the loop knew what the specifications, configurations, capabilities, software, interface (soft and hard) were going to be to a reasonable degree. Surely, many people guessed at the features. Some people actually got some right; many got them wrong but no-one got it all right. Most guessed incorrectly and were working from obscurity and not from secret, in-the-know information. It was predominantly wild-guessing. Therefore it can be asseted as a secret. If one guesses enough one is apt to guess right.
    Isn't that what brute-force password attacks are about? One cannot claim that hackers knew one's secret password only because they were able to discover that a password existed and then were able to gain it by brute-force attack.
    I think it can be classified as having been an unqualified bona-fide industrial secret to the extent they were able to keep the details about the device at large from the press and the public and even their competitors.

  17. Re:Not Kept For Very Long by iggy_mon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    i wouldn't mod you "Insightful", i'd mod you "Troll"

    from the F*ing article...
    In the end, Apple decided to reveal the iPhone several months ahead of its official June launch because it could not keep the secret any more. Apple has to file with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for the permits needed to operate the iPhone, and once those public filings are made, Apple has no control over the release of that information. So, Jobs said, he made the decision to have Apple tell the world about its new phone, rather than the FCC.

    we need a new mod catagory, how about "-1, Didn't RTF"

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  18. And one of the year's biggest tech launches? by fistfullast33l · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fortune's Peter Lewis goes inside one of the year's biggest tech launches

    It's January 10th. Obviously this is going to be the year's biggest tech launch to date. Talk about hyperbole. Talk to me in November and then we can talk year's biggest tech launches.

    1. Re:And one of the year's biggest tech launches? by PsyQo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently somebody hides their secrets an order of magnitude better than Apple. Really - what big tech launches do you expect? Vista been launched, all the "new gen" consoles been launched. What do you expect? Teleportation devices?

      Duke Nukem Forever (hey, don't blame me for being an optimist!)

    2. Re:And one of the year's biggest tech launches? by hxnwix · · Score: 3, Funny

      Talk to me in November and then we can talk year's biggest tech launches. It's a date. As soon as I awake from that trick or treat sugar coma, I'll call your iPhone from my iPhone...
    3. Re:And one of the year's biggest tech launches? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "It's $500 and requires a commitment to a two year contract just for that price. It's locked to one operator..."

      And this is different than buying any other phone in the US how?

      Sure it is expensive...it is new tech...pretty cool tech at that. I mean, how much is the top of the line iPod? Add some $$ to that for phone and internet tool...not that much more really.

      But, c'mon, everyone quit bitching about a 2 year contract, etc. That's the way you normally buy a new phone. If you wanted the Samsung Blade when it came out, you signed up with Sprint for a year or two, and got the phone for a discounted fee.

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  19. Yet Another Phone (or PDA), huh? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet Another Phone, huh? The secret isn't so much how they kept this thing "under wraps" (as if) but how Apple is getting various media outlets to flog what appears to be Yet Another Phone (or PDA) as the "next generation", "innovative", etc.

    At $500 a pop it may be Sony-ing it's way out of its target market too.

    1. Re:Yet Another Phone (or PDA), huh? by fgodfrey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, a) integration with things like Google Maps is not something that other phones have (like, being able to tap the phone number you get off Google Maps and have the phone dial it without writing the number down and then typing it back in) b) how many phones support standard IMAP and POP servers? That means darn near anyone can get their email on their phone and can use a nice (assuming you like Apple interfaces) interface on their computer to set the phone up to do it.


      Most importantly, related to your last comment, c) When was the last time you paid list price for a cell phone? Like all other phones, I'll bet this one ends up significantly cheaper than $500 to the end user. That being said, I suspect their target market, at least initially, is "people who have both a Treo/Blackberry/Etc. and an iPod".

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    2. Re:Yet Another Phone (or PDA), huh? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Try watching the video of Jobs introducing it (it's long) on Apple.com - it really is pretty amazing.

      For a start it runs OS/X. It's got no buttons - just a hi-res 3.5" color display with a multi-touch touch-screen interface (responds to multiple touch points simulataneously - see the video to see how this is used).

      I'm a jaded 25+yr veteran programmer who hates cell phones, but even I may consider buying one of these! It's just way too cool.

    3. Re:Yet Another Phone (or PDA), huh? by E-Rock · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that you're wrong on every coung. My Blackberry has google maps and you sure as hell can find a location and dial it right from there. I'm also pretty sure every smartphone out there connects to IMAP and POP, Treo sure does. As to your last item, the pricing was already announced and those prices listed were *With two year contract, so that is the special pricing.

  20. Re:Not Kept For Very Long by Teese · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apple said in one of the interviews (the Time one?), that they announced now because they had to get FCC certification, and one that happens it can't be kept secret anymore. And they'd rather announce it then let it get leaked by the FCC. They also mentioned that the certification process is months long.

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  21. Re:Seriously. by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're right on two out of the three. They do scratch easily and they are overpriced. You may not be a fan of the interface (I myself am not an apple zealot when it comes to UI), but you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that the user interface is bad. Look at 95% of the other products on the market. Apple consistently has easier to use, more intuitive UI's than practically all of it's competitors. This is Apple's strength and they play off of this constantly with all of their products. That's like saying Nintendo makes crappy videogames. You may not like the hardware, you may not like the games, but you'll have a hard time convincing people that they make bad games. That's their bread and butter. They use it to push their hardware.

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  22. you have no idea if it'll rock or suck by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After checking the feature set on Apple's web site, mark me down for at least two of those things.

    You want it because all you saw was what Apple wanted you to see. You have no idea how it'll actually perform as a phone in ways that matter. I don't care how sexy it animates the UI if it's a shitty phone.

    All the fervor is akin to GM showing off a new sexy looking car, and people wanting it, having no idea if it'll actually be a good car or not.

    • How is reception/signal strength- cellular, Wifi, and Bluetooth?
    • Does it drop calls mysteriously? (lot of early smartphones did)
    • Does it explode in shards of expensive bits when dropped on the ground? (treos are famously fragile. Newtons were very tough. Will this be a Treo, or a Newton?)
    • How clueful will Cingular be in sales and tech support?
    • Will voicemails in the new "random access voicemail" system get deleted/disappear?
    • How does the touchscreen feel? Is it a real problem having no actual buttons for tactile use of the phone (say, when driving?)
    • Is the speakerphone loud enough/clear?
    • Is the touchscreen durable?
    • How well does it load pages over EDGE, which by all accounts is high-latency, slow, and already outdated? (I guarantee anything Steve did was over Wifi.)
    • Will it support 802.11N so that it doesn't knock an N network down to G wherever it goes? It'd be pretty stupid to have an N network if your iPhone on your desk knocks you down to G.

    You won't know any of this until Apple gives units to users (or maybe SOME journalists who aren't too distracted by "OOOO, NEW SHINY APPLE TOY". You're an absolute fool if you "pre-order" this thing.

  23. Re:Secret? What secret? by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given the absurd numbers of rumours which abounded over the past few months, what is this "secret" of which you speak? No one posted a picture of the phone online. The rumors were all over the place as to what the phone would be. The rumors were even iffy about whether it would be announced at MacWorld.

    I'd say they did pretty good.
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  24. I'm not getting one by bazorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    not enough DRM in it.

  25. Re:What CPU? by Macthorpe · · Score: 2, Informative
    Santa Rosa isn't a CPU, it's a Centrino platform. From the article you linked to:

    second generation Intel Core 2 processor (code named Merom) that uses Socket P
    800 MT/s front side bus with Dynamic Front Side Bus Switching to save power during low utilization
    Intel Mobile 965 Express chipset (code named Crestline) with Intel's GMA X3000 graphics technology
    Intel PRO/Wireless 4965AGN IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n mini-PCIe Wi-Fi adapter (code named Kedron)
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  26. Nokia 9300 Anyone? by mpapet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've got a Nokia 9300 that pretty much rocks the party.

    I've got ssh and rdp clients for admin work, mp3 player, removable flash media, email, sms, good back-up restore functionality and works in linux too. There's even an OSS gui toolkit on sourceforge.

    No, it didn't come from the Jobs Reality Distortion Field, but it allows me to have a life when I'm on weekend support rotation.

    FYI, it's available now.

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  27. Will it still be magic after the RDF wears off? by sottitron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    RDF = Reality Distortion Field. I am kind of going through withdraw at this point. This is the first Macworld I can remember where I had nothing to go out and buy the next day. Sure I could get a 802.11n Airport Express Base Station, but where is iLife? Where is something interesting that is available today? And how long before the Apple faithful tire of gadgets... The Mac is a computer, not a gadget and it seems unforgivable, IMO, that all that was announced during the keynote were gadgets.

  28. technical details? by lionforce5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While we do know a good deal about the iphone, one thing I am still wondering about: what processor is it running on? Are they really running a full version of OS X? And if so, what's to prevent that thing from giving you second degree burns as it sits in your pocket?

    I know that traditionally apple has been mum about the components in their portable devices. However, this isn't exactly another ipod, but not quite a portable computer either. I guess I just want a guarantee that it's going to be able to handle apps faster and more crisply than any other mobile on the market.

  29. PPC-6700 by crayiii · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been carrying a PPC-6700 (with qwerty keyboard) for almost a year. From what I've seen, I can do everything the iPhone does. Granted, mine is thicker but still...

  30. Re:Not Kept For Very Long by soft_guy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Congress should change the laws so that these papers don't become public. FCC regulations should not be allowed interfere with Apple product release secrecy. I hope Steve has called our new house speaker and put this issue into her "first 100 hours" agenda.

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  31. Re:Secret? What secret? by bynary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did you watch the keynote speech? Did you read any of the summaries from it? Apparently not because it doesn't just make phone calls and play music. The LG Chocolate does both of those (as do many other devices). The key difference is that, if this device lives up to Apple's claims (which most of the products in recent years have), it will make phone calls and play music better than any other device has ever done it. That's why the iPod has been as successful as it has: it doesn't just play audio and video files; it plays audio and video files better. Apple didn't just cram an MP3 player into a phone or vice versa; they engineered a new device that was designed to do both equally well. It's not just a handheld device that happens to run Windows Mobile; it's a device whose software and hardware were designed from the ground up together to create a seamless thing that makes my life easier. No I don't work for Apple.

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  32. We don't know whether it sucks or not yet... by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... because it hasn't been released - it's only been announced. What we do know is that Apple are a thousand and one times better at managing their prospective user base than anyone else out there.

    I can think of lots of reasons why it may not be very good as a phone, or as a media player, and I'm sure plenty of other people can, but not too many people seem to be doing other than raving about it. One exception was the Register, with a couple of recent "emperor has no clothes" articles (which drove lots of traffic to their letters pages).

    So it's going to be released some time in June (or not if it's late), and it'll completely dominate it's market, (or perhaps it won't). We just don't know yet. The thing that we can reasonably assume is that lots of people will buy it whenever it comes out, because Apple's marketing has been so good so far. So we'll find out whether it's any good real soon after it's been released.

    1. Re:We don't know whether it sucks or not yet... by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apple marketing has been successful because Apple products have been great products, and that generates loyalty.

      I don't think any of Apple's marketing would be sucessful if the products didn't impress people, year in and year out.

      I also don't think any other company could market in the way Apple does today, because it takes a formidable track record to get people as hyped up as they are ... automatically.

      Now, this doesn't mean the iPhone won't flop. That price tag is pretty ambitious. But I've noticed something interesting.

      Most people complaining about the price admit they will probably bite the bullet and buy one when it comes.

      The people Apple needs to worry about are those who say that they won't buy an iPhone at any price because Cingular is a horrible carrier.

      Either Cingular has to change enormously or Apple needs to work around that exclusive contract somehow.

      I don't remember people being this excited about the Cube. I think the iPhone will easily sell a million plus units to Apple fans and their friends at the high price.

      Then the price will go down to $250 with contract around Q1 2008 and then I think he can sell the remaining 9 million, easy.

      D

      (I admit the price is stiff and also admit that as long as it has ssh, I'm in, and for the 8gb option at that. With passable luck it will accept a Bluetooth keyboard and that plus the web browser pretty much means software development anywhere you like).

  33. Something else of interest here.... by plazman30 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OS X is now EMBEDDED. Apple can now take their OS and use it to run a whole mountain of consumer electronic devices.

    So how long till they announce HD based widescreen iPods.

    Andy

  34. Re:Secret? What secret? by Shabbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The secret is how much they paid Linksys/Cisco to be able to use the name iPhone.

    http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo_cafe_blog/arc hive/2007/01/10/102198.aspx

    Heh heh.

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  35. Re:How to keep something seceret. by necro81 · · Score: 2, Funny

    You don't even know IF my company exists, not to speak of WHAT we're going to produce.

    I can top that with a pronoun change. I don't even know if my company exists, let alone what we're producing.

    It would be even funnier to me if it weren't actually true.

  36. just the beginning by acvh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it serves as a great tech demo. Features that work will start showing up elsewhere, patents or no patents. Phones are a commodity business, the iPhone is a boutique product. Too expensive for wide adoption, but maybe a portent of things to come.

    1. Re:just the beginning by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it serves as a great tech demo. Features that work will start showing up elsewhere, patents or no patents. Phones are a commodity business, the iPhone is a boutique product. Too expensive for wide adoption, but maybe a portent of things to come.

      Remember how people said the iPod was too expensive and had no market when it came out? I think the iPhone may be in the same situation. It certainly has a lot going for it, including integration, design and simplicity. When you consider that there is the $4000 Vertu, that is getting bought by people with deep pockets and those who want to make a statement, I believe there is market enough for a well design, easy to use Smart Phone. This may just be the product to bring the smart phone to the masses.

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    2. Re:just the beginning by SpinyNorman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The price certainly means it's not a mainstream product, but it doesn't need to be to be wildly successful... It's a HUGE market... Apple are hoping for 1% cellphone marketshare in their first year, which means selling 10,000,000 of these at $500 a pop - that's a cool $5B in one year, not to mention the boost to their iTunes music/video business. Who knows what kind of market share they can eventually get, but it seems this product is only the start. In the same announcement they also renamed the company from Apple Computer Inc to plain Apple Inc, in recognition of their shift from computers only to consumer electronics... it seems they're not expecting this to be a flash in the pan or just a cute tech demo!

    3. Re:just the beginning by edwardpickman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      the iPhone is a boutique product. Too expensive for wide adoption

      Funny by this standard the iPod was more of a boutique product and I think by any standard it was widely adopted. The iPhone is priced a bit higher than the iPods were up until recently. Yes it has less memory but it is an iPod, Smartphone, plays widescreen movies and TV shows, a fully functional web browser, has many PDA functions, has a built in 2 megapixel camera and uses OSX. I'd say it's easily 10X any iPod ever built for a little more money, hell of a value. I was stunned to see it already has Core Animation built in. This thing is halfway to a desktop computer with a built in phone and camera. At this rate within five years, maybe much less, they'll have all the functions of a desktop in a cellphone. Time for Microsft to raise the white flag. Their motto of too little too late just ain't cuttin' it. This thing is easily five years ahead of anything else on the market. Check out the details on Apple.com and watch the keynote. I was blown away. I never bought an iPod but I'm going to be first in line for an iPhone.

    4. Re:just the beginning by jonfelder · · Score: 2


      And I've never before owned a mobile phone, ever. I view them as universally sucking, year after year they add small features, move stuff around, and charge ever larger prices for them, trying to get people to replace them every few months. That's just put me off.


      This is mostly true, except for the larger prices. Most places will give you a phone with a contract. If anything most phones are getting cheaper.

  37. MOD PARENT UP by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  38. "leaked" fakes part of the viral campaign? by StreetStealth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The notion that Apple actually produced first-party, in-house, fake iPhones is a sublimely fascinating concept to me. Might any of these "official fakes" have been the ones we saw making rounds on the blogs in the past six months?

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  39. Re:Secret? What secret? by JohnnyLocust · · Score: 2, Funny