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Vista DRM Cracked by Security Researcher

An anonymous reader writes "Security researcher Alex Ionescu claims to have successfully bypassed the much discussed DRM protection in Windows Vista, called 'Protected Media Path' (PMP), which is designed to seriously degrade the playback quality of any video and audio running on systems with hardware components not explicitly approved by Microsoft. The bypass of the DRM protection was in turn performed by breaking the Driver Signing / PatchGuard protection in the new operating system. Alex is now quite nervous about what an army of lawyers backed by draconian copyright laws could do to him if he released the details, but he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details about this at the moment though."

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  1. very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    called 'Protected Media Path' (PMP)
    I can guess how that's pronounced...
    1. Re:very fitting by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "called 'Protected Media Path' (PMP)" I can guess how that's pronounced... Well, it just goes to show, that PMP'ing an operating system ain't easy.

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    2. Re:very fitting by EvanED · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, it just goes to show, that PMP'ing an operating system ain't easy.

      Or 'It's hard out here for a PMP'

    3. Re:very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Come on, that jab is unfair.

      As a user of the Windows Home Operating Rights Environment, I must state for the record that all of my transactions with said system are completely clean, and take place using the most effective protection available. If you truly feel that some of your Media exchanges are tainted, I'd suggest it's probably because you didn't pay the requisite PMP fees.

    4. Re:very fitting by WndrBr3d · · Score: 2, Funny

      PMP: Makin' sure you get paid!

    5. Re:very fitting by Thansal · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      you should have put bold on the first letters so that the slow people (me) would have gotten the joke a tad bit faster.

      other then that I applaud you :)

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    6. Re:very fitting by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or 'It's hard out here for a PMP'

      I don't know what you heard about me
      But you can't get your video out of me
      High quality video you can't see
      Because I've got uncracked PMP.

      --
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    7. Re:very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, it turns out his working draft is titled "time to un-PMP your audio"

    8. Re:very fitting by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I used to work at a nuclear powerstation ... We used to have literally hours of fun "pimping." ... I got to manage the whole pimp system for an entire week!

            Was that before or after "the incident"?

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    9. Re:very fitting by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It's not how it's pronounced that is important, it's how it's used. It's a protected path to YOUR media. The media being the body parts that excrete feces.

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    10. Re:very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you're really that obnoxious, maybe you should re-read your post a few times before submitting it, rather than go out of your way to insult another user (who was self-deprecating in the first place) for no apparent reason.

    11. Re:very fitting by Coucho · · Score: 5, Funny

      Big Data Cane.. is that you?

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    12. Re:very fitting by thopkins · · Score: 1

      As a longtime /. user I have to say that that's the funniest thing I've ever read on here.

    13. Re:very fitting by St0rmwarden · · Score: 1

      Microsoft could have done comedians all around the world a favour and called it Protected Internal Media Path...

      That would be strangely appropriate for people who watch porn DVDs on their computers as well... :S

    14. Re:very fitting by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

      It's got to be the biggest PMPle on the ass-end of the worst Windows release ever.

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    15. Re:very fitting by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      So doesn't this pretty much defeat one of the two new features introduced by Vista (prettier pictures and DRM)? The prices for Vista are a lot to pay for DirectX10 and a little more eye candy.

    16. Re:very fitting by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      Or 'It's hard out here for a PMP'

      I don't know what you heard about me
      But you can't get your video out of me
      High quality video you can't see
      Because I've got uncracked PMP.

      I rocks in the heap, and I rolls in the kernel

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    17. Re:very fitting by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 1

      Corrected headline "Microsoft gets PMP slapped"

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    18. Re:very fitting by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you would like to see more of the same, just send nineteen ninety-five plus seven ninety-five shipping and handling to...

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    19. Re:very fitting by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      Maybe I should clarify: nothing new that most people don't already have in XP (spyware control, better search, non-admin accounts, etc). These are nice things to have in an OS, but there is no need to pay up to $400 for Vista to have these features.

  2. 1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Punko · · Score: 3, Funny

    As fast as you can

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    1. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by BSAtHome · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by yo_tuco · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the about page it says:

      He [Alex] is currently studying at Concordia University in Montreal, Canada"

      So does the DMCA apply?

    3. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by compro01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So does the DMCA apply?

      that depends, does he travel to or through the US?

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    4. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Phrogman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, that doesn't matter. I am sure that my govt will happily deport him if the **AA asks them to. We seem to bend over backwards for the US at this point, and for the **AA in particular, just look at the politician they bought recently up here. A Conservative government here in Canada turns us into a mere appendage of the US Government, compliant to their will most of the time. Hell, we just paid out 10 mil in damages to a Canadian Citizen we happily fingered for the US Dept of Homeland security so they could ship him to Syria to be tortured for a year or so even though there was no evidence he supported terrorism. I have no doubt that violating DRM (which is surely as Evil(tm) as terrorism in the eyes of the **AA, in fact they probably want to equate the two) will be sufficient to get this guy exported to some country for torture as well :)

      "Government for the corporations, by the corporations, for the benefit of all corporations..." or something to that effect.

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    5. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Jabrwock · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Conservative government here in Canada turns us into a mere appendage of the US Government, compliant to their will most of the time. I'm all for bashing the Conservatives, but that Arar thing happened under the Liberal party's watch...

      Credit where credit is due, and all that.
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    6. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

      Security researcher Alex Ionescu claims to have successfully bypassed the much discussed DRM protection in Windows Vista
      I have to go down to the corner and see my neighborhood gaming law researcher and get down a bet on the superbowl. After that I'll go see the drug law researcher and score some weed.
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    7. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by jbr439 · · Score: 1

      A Conservative government here in Canada turns us into a mere appendage of the US Government, compliant to their will most of the time. Hell, we just paid out 10 mil in damages to a Canadian Citizen we happily fingered for the US Dept of Homeland security so they could ship him to Syria to be tortured for a year or so even though there was no evidence he supported terrorism. Although I share the concern it should be pointed out that the Canadian in question was "fingered" under the tenure of the previous Liberal government. Additionally, the current Conservative government really hasn't done anything that smacks of blatant toadyism. Not to say that it won't happen in the future, but at present the Conservatives are quite mindful of their minority government status.
    8. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by thestudio_bob · · Score: 1

      Wow, didn't realize that we Americans had such control over your politians. Sorry about that!

      Say, when did you guys do away with elections? It would be cool, if you could just remove those rotten apples from office or something.

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    9. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by greyhill · · Score: 1

      No, that doesn't matter. I am sure that my govt will happily deport him if the **AA asks them to Shouldn't that be ..AA or .{2}AA ? :)
    10. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by nasch · · Score: 1

      Security researcher Alex Ionescu claims to have successfully bypassed the much discussed DRM protection in Windows Vista

      I have to go down to the corner and see my neighborhood gaming law researcher and get down a bet on the superbowl. After that I'll go see the drug law researcher and score some weed.

      You're suggesting that security researchers shouldn't be researching whether or not commercial security systems are vulnerable? They should rather just leave them alone and hope for the best, or what?
    11. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by anup_at_mac · · Score: 5, Funny

      "We seem to bend over backwards for the US at this point, and for the **AA in particular....... " You mean bend over forward, right?
    12. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      So does the DMCA apply?

      that depends, does he travel to or through the US? Or does he ever want to set foot on US soil ever again?
    13. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by gumbright · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...We seem to bend over backwards for the US at this point,... We request that you to bend over the other way to simplify future interactions. Thank you for your cooperation.
    14. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am sure that my govt will happily deport him if the **AA asks them to. We seem to bend over backwards for the US at this point, and for the **AA in particular, just look at the politician they bought recently up here.

      The RIAA & MPAA are not 'the US'. Nor do they act in the interests of the US. They are music & movie industry groups dominated by large soulless multinational corporations (Sony, BMG, Universal, Disney, Philips, etc.). These corporations are not any more American than they are Japanese, British, or German. And they have *AA-like front groups in other countries, such as CRIA in Canada.

      So the problem is not that the US is forcing Canada to do something. The problem is that Canada is following the US's example in bowing to the wishes of these corporations. The RIAA and CRIA are just the instruments through the corporations lobby the government and harass the common people.

      The RIAA is not the root problem. If it disbanded tomorrow, this would solve nothing, because Disney, Sony, etc. would continue as before.

    15. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      I stand (or more accurately "sit") corrected. That is true, Arar happened under the Liberals (who most recently have been rather conservative themselves mind you). I will agree that Harper is being less toady-like than I expected to be honest, but I am certain when the news gets out down the road we will see their true colours.

      My point was simply that I don't believe being in Canada saves you at all from being prosecuted under US law. I think this government will be more than willing to hand someone over if requested. Having lived under them for many years, and having been forced to find officials I can vote for in good conscience, I have lost respect for most Canadian politicians. Trudeau (whom I respected but disagreed with much of the time), Joe Who (whom I respect and like, but dislike the party policies of) and Sven Robinson (who I can't vote for where I am) are the only ones that come to mind at the moment. Harper I have disliked since I first heard of him and don't trust an inch. Jack Leighton - well *possibly*, I don't know him well enough yet.

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    16. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Therilon · · Score: 1

      Uh, it's Jack Layton, not Leighton. Svend 'It has a "d"' Robinson was a back-bencher on the NDP and isn't currently an MP, having resigned in 2004 and lost in the 2006 election after that theft scandal. Trudeau's DEAD, dude. He died about 4 years ago. Trudeau's son isn't even officially in politics. Joe Clark was about 25 years ago. He's not really anyone now.

      Frankly, I don't think you know anything at all or are qualified to talk about Canadian politics. Full stop.

    17. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Ghost_3k · · Score: 5, Informative

      And what's even more funny, in the last paragraph on his page:
      "He is also a Microsoft Student Ambassador and is representing the company on campus as a Technical Rep."

    18. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I am sure that my govt will happily deport him if the **AA asks them to.

      Umm, no offense, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. The only way that US *law enforcement* (not the *AA, which is not a law enforcement agency) could ever swing deportation is if a crime was commited in the United States. Since that clearly wouldn't be the case here, there's no way in hell such a thing would occur.

      The fact is, the worst possible situation for this guy would be that he wouldn't be able to enter the United States, for fear of being arrested, and even then, I don't that's likely.

      Honestly, this kind of partisan fearmongering and rhetoric is useless, and the worst kind of deception (speaking as a liberal).

    19. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      No. He's not importing or creating the circumvention in the US. He's protected by the exceoptions for legitimate research. Vista DRM is not yet a protection mechanism for copyrighted works. If he goes to the US, he is unlikely to be arrested because the authorities really don't want a repeat of the Sklyarov fiasco. There's substantially less reason to prosecute for thsi.

      Every time this sort of thing comes up, I get more convinced that Slashdot has a victim complex.

    20. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair, the US still has elections and yet that doesn't prevent us from having shitty politicians.

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    21. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      Well, that covers Canada to Argentina.....

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      God is everything science has yet to explain.
    22. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by caranha · · Score: 1

      He [Alex] is currently studying at Concordia University in Montreal, Canada"

      So does the DMCA apply? Ask Dimitri Skyralov.

    23. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by arifirefox · · Score: 1

      I thought all the liberals said they'd move to canada after Bush's re-election.

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    24. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      Uh, it's Jack Layton, not Leighton. Svend 'It has a "d"' Robinson was a back-bencher on the NDP and isn't currently an MP, having resigned in 2004 and lost in the 2006 election after that theft scandal. Trudeau's DEAD, dude. He died about 4 years ago. Trudeau's son isn't even officially in politics. Joe Clark was about 25 years ago. He's not really anyone now.

      Well lets see. Okay so I got his name spelled wrong. I know he heads the NDP at the moment and they are effectively a non-entity at the moment politically speaking. So Svend has a D in his name, whatever. Yeah I know hes out of politics at the moment - and probably permanently due to that scandal. I was talking about Politicians I respected here in Canada, not current politicians if you read what I posted. As for Trudeau, yeah I know hes dead, and I know his son isn't a politician, again I was talking about the father not the son. You know, the one who was PM here for a good number of years and is considered to be one of our most effective politicians todate? Yeah that one. Joe Clark is still around, and was head of the Conservatives until Harper took over if I recall correctly - and I might be wrong on that I admit. Again, politicians I respected, but then you seem to have missed my point entirely. Perhaps you didn't read before you flamed.

      As for 25 years ago, whatever. I am 47, I was voting 22 years ago and still am. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember things back then, whatever.

      Frankly, I don't think you know anything at all or are qualified to talk about Canadian politics. Full stop.

      Luckily your opinion of my qualifications or opinions doesn't mean jack shit. Next time read (and perhaps comprehend) before you go shooting your mouth off.

      My opinion stand and are not the least bit altered by your pointless criticism. You are welcome to your opinion though, thats what this country is all about after all...

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    25. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      If the MPAA is not the US, then why is the current administration running the country like some piss poor hollywood movie script ;0.

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    26. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      They'd be safer in North Korea I think. The Canadians are obviously working for The Man, judging from the last few posts I've read.

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    27. Re:1st thing is to get a good lawyer by gx5000 · · Score: 1

      Our Economy is tied to yours...
      Our borders are inseparable.....

      Your Corporations enact in the US, and it follows through in Canada..
      Big Canadian Biz is Big American Biz (just switch flags)
      Most Canadian Bizs in Cuba are actually American, and so on....

      Canada is abdicating ? huh, no my friend...
      You see, when in bed with the Elephant, the mouse may not choose to move
      when the Elephant rolls over....it just does to survive...

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  3. Pro Bono Security Attorneys by adambha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about a team of pro bono attorneys who are willing to defend (fight?) cases like this in which a researcher simply wants to share his/her findings? Sort of like a non-profit organization.

    1. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by eviloverlordx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about a team of pro bono attorneys who are willing to defend (fight?) cases like this in which a researcher simply wants to share his/her findings? Sort of like a non-profit organization.

      We can watch as MS' legal team steps on them like a bug. Not that MS would be in the right, only they would have the most might.

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    2. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by dafragsta · · Score: 5, Informative

      If only there was some EFFin' organization that provided such a service. I don't know what the EFF we'll do now. I guess we are all pretty EFF'd.

    3. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by fotbr · · Score: 2, Funny

      You'd have to put a pro-linux spin on this before the EFF will give a damn.

      Merely being anti-microsoft and anti-drm isn't enough to get the linux and open-source fanboys fired up enough to get the EFF to do anything.

    4. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You really think you can find that many Pro-Bono Attorneys?

      I mean sure, The Joshua Tree was great, but they've been going downhill for awhile....

    5. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by kripkenstein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He's going to need attorneys very soon. By hacking the DRM he committed a violation; publishing the hack would just add insult to injury - perhaps a lawsuit for supposed 'damages'. But he has already broken the law.

      IANAL.

    6. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, ever since he broke up with Cher.

    7. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by tddoog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not true at all.

      Here is a list of the EFFs recent battles.

              * EFF Warns ABC to Back Off Blogger
              * Florida Voters Challenge Judge's Shutdown of Election Investigation
              * EFF Defends Right to Link from Internet Wiki
              * EFF Backs DontDateHimGirl.com in Defamation Case
              * Computer Security Expert Edward W. Felten Joins EFF Board of Directors
              * Lawsuit Demands Answers About Government's Secret 'Risk Assessment' Scores
              * Fight to Unseal Critical Evidence in AT&T Surveillance Case
              * Tuesday Hearing on Critical E-Voting Evidence in Flawed Florida Election
              * American Travelers to Get Secret 'Risk Assessment' Scores
              * Self-Help Group Backs Off Attack on Internet Critic
              * EFF Accepts Barney's Surrender
              * EFF Fights to Shield Email from Secret Government Searches
              * Sarasota Voters File Lawsuit for Re-vote in Congressional Race
              * EFF Files Suit for Answers About New International Air Passenger Data Deal
              * California Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Free Speech on the Internet

    8. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

      Uh-oh, you got a minus one score for that one. I guess the Microshaft weenies were trolling here. Personally, I'd rate that a 5-funny.

      HAND

      HTH

      Seriously, though, the EFF, probably wouldn't be interested, simply because this dude(ett) hasn't actually "done" anything beyond saying something could be done.

    9. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by grub · · Score: 1


      He's going to need attorneys very soon. By hacking the DRM he committed a violation; publishing the hack would just add insult to injury - perhaps a lawsuit for supposed 'damages'. But he has already broken the law.

      He's a Canadian and broke no Canadian law. He might be snagged off a flight by the local Gestapo if he flies through a less free country though.

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    10. Re:Pro Bono Security Attorneys by Danse · · Score: 1

      How about a team of pro bono attorneys who are willing to defend (fight?) cases like this in which a researcher simply wants to share his/her findings? Sort of like a non-profit organization.
      Or better yet, a team of pro-bono attorney ninjas! That way if things don't go well in court, they can always just flip out and kill everyone!
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  4. Moving to Redmond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like somebody will soon get a juicy job offer from Microsoft to tighten up the system...

    1. Re:Moving to Redmond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Sounds like somebody will soon get a juicy job offer from Microsoft to tighten up the system...
      No way!
      Knowing MS, they'll probably find out the specific methods he used (plus other unrelated skills/techniques) during the interview process and eventually tell him he wasn't MS material.
      Oh yeah, and then they'll sue him too. Of course, to get the interview he had to sign a NDA and can't do anything in response.

      Honestly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it happened like that.
    2. Re:Moving to Redmond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      From Alex's website -

      "He is currently studying at Concordia University in Montreal, Canada, and is in his first year of obtaining a bachelor's degree in Software Engineering. He is also a Microsoft Student Ambassador and is representing the company on campus as a Technical Rep."

      Uh oh.

    3. Re:Moving to Redmond? by arivanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yup. There is a word for this in the industry. It used to be called a BUGTRAQ gadfly though nowdays it should be called a "Full Disclosure Gadfly".

      You make enough stink on a non-moderated list like FD with the sole purpose to get hired and you get hired. There are pimps that follow FD, BUGTRAQ and the like for "fresh talent".

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  5. It's all in the details. by FuturePastNow · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...could do to him if he released the details, but he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details...
    Grammar tip: don't use the same word three times in one sentence.
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    1. Re:It's all in the details. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Grammar tip: don't use the same word three times in one sentence.



      This is not a grammatical mistake. The sentence was a perfectly grammatical English sentence. It is a mistake in style though.

    2. Re:It's all in the details. by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      That's perfectly good grammar. It may not be great style, though.

    3. Re:It's all in the details. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Funny

      What is the problem? That is a perfectly cromulent sentence.

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    4. Re:It's all in the details. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      This comment was apparently actually brought to you by the-department-of-redundancy-department. The last sentence was the one I found the most entertaining: "but he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details about this at the moment though." But/though, currently/at the moment. Free advice to everyone: don't be so eager to get the story submission that you abuse the language. It's just not that important.

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    5. Re:It's all in the details. by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Repeating the same word in Latin in the old days was very common and considered a good emphasis technique.

      Oh, and it still is. That's one of the more common and easier-to-find "rhetorical techniques" that you learn about in English classes and such. See MLK's I Have a Dream speech.

      But in this case, I don't think it's a deliberate attempt to do that; what's being emphasized? It just feels like a sloppily-worded sentence.

    6. Re:It's all in the details. by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Grammar tip: don't use the same word three times in one sentence.

      You mean just certain words.

      "Alex is now quite nervous about what an army of lawyers backed by draconian copyright laws could do to him if he released the details, but he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details about this at the moment though."

      Couldn't resist....
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    7. Re:It's all in the details. by D4rk+Fx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Grammar tip: don't use the same word three times in one sentence.
      How about 9 times, is that okay?
      Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
    8. Re:It's all in the details. by D4rk+Fx · · Score: 1

      How about 9 times,
      How about 8 times?... damn typos
    9. Re:It's all in the details. by bean123456789 · · Score: 1
    10. Re:It's all in the details. by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      I can't help but point out that your grammar tip is a fragment fragment fragment.

    11. Re:It's all in the details. by mattwarden · · Score: 2, Informative

      No... it's not.

      I knew some AC would say this, so I should have just preemptively explained it.

      If the sentence were "Don't use the same word three times in the same sentence", then you would be correct. However, the sentence is "Grammar tip", which is a fragment. The second part is an appositive, relating to "tip." The colon is the giveaway.

      See? AC's don't always know everything.

    12. Re:It's all in the details. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      an army of lawyers backed by draconian copyright laws could do to him if he released the details, but he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details about this at the moment though.

      Most. Awkward. Sentence. EVAR!

    13. Re:It's all in the details. by dprovine · · Score: 1

      Grammar tip: don't use the same word three times in one sentence.

      Ever read Churchill's `fight' speech?

      We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
    14. Re:It's all in the details. by edschurr · · Score: 1

      Aside from the irony, what's wrong with fragments?

    15. Re:It's all in the details. by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Nothing. The grammatical irony was the only point.

    16. Re:It's all in the details. by Shai-kun · · Score: 1

      But luckily "Indeed, for any n >= 1, the sentence buffalon is grammatically correct."

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    17. Re:It's all in the details. by master_p · · Score: 1

      How about:

      "developers, developers, developers, developers...."

    18. Re:It's all in the details. by da_flo · · Score: 1

      Grammar tip: don't use the same word three times in one sentence. Like that :

      Hastur Hastur Hastur ?
  6. /me watches the skies over Montreal... by BJH · · Score: 1

    ...darken as thousands of crack Microsoft lawyers parachute down into the city in search of the terrorist, erm, defendant...

  7. I have a brilliant crack of the Vista DRM too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... but there is no space in the margin of this comment to write it.

  8. In future news... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Vista DRM cracked by anybody with the desire to do so".

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    1. Re:In future news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Vista DRM cracked by anybody with the desire to do so".
      by holding down the ALT key when installing from Vista's DVD?
    2. Re:In future news... by Ksempac · · Score: 1

      I dont care if Vista's DRM are down. However i m worried that he managed to go through Patchguard. I was hoping that Vista would be somewhat safer for non-savvy users thanks to Patchguard, and it s already down. :/

  9. Too bad this didn't come out 3-6 months from now by caitriona81 · · Score: 1

    It's really too bad that this is coming out now, rather than in 3-6 months when it would make more of an impact. While the article raises some issues that won't be easy to solve, right now this seems to give M$ a head start on tightening the DRM noose even more or insisting on TPM.

  10. Post the details on MySpace by DBCubix · · Score: 5, Funny

    and then ask Network Solutions to suspend their domain. It works on GoDaddy domains.

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    1. Re:Post the details on MySpace by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It works on GoDaddy domains.

      Closed captioned for the informationally challenged: Microsoft pays GoDaddy to use IIS for parked domains so it looks like IIS is "just behind" Apache on "who's using which web server" pie charts.
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    2. Re:Post the details on MySpace by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Awesome insinuation. Any evidence?

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    3. Re:Post the details on MySpace by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      There was a story on slashdot when they made the deal; unfortunately the linked press release isn't on Yahoo anymore, but it was probably some pretty good evidence while it was. Unless their own PR department is trying to frame them.

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    4. Re:Post the details on MySpace by Seq · · Score: 1

      A quick search on google shed some light on the topic:

      http://www.google.com/search?q=iis%20godaddy

      It was covered on slashdot many moons ago as well

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    5. Re:Post the details on MySpace by inca34 · · Score: 1

      Netcraft confirms. And therefore, BSD is dying.

    6. Re:Post the details on MySpace by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an opportunity to plug OpenSourceParking.com.

      Disclaimer: I'm not associated with this project, but I do have a domain parked there.

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    7. Re:Post the details on MySpace by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      It works on GoDaddy domains.
      Closed captioned for the informationally challenged: Microsoft pays GoDaddy to use IIS for parked domains so it looks like IIS is "just behind" Apache on "who's using which web server" pie charts. Try this on for size: MySpace and GoDaddy Shut Down Security Site. I think this is what the OP was refering to.
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  11. What a revelation! by Sunburnt · · Score: 1

    Hopefully, other players in the media industry see this and realize that DRM is a pointless encumbrance!

    Yeah, right. They'll just keep up with their usual approach, one akin to installing a governor on your car to deter theft.

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    1. Re:What a revelation! by Pojut · · Score: 1

      ...a governer to deter theft?

      What the fuck are you talking about? Last time I checked a governer prevented a vehicle from going over a certain speed (or in the case of a rev-limiter, from going over a certain RPM)

    2. Re:What a revelation! by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked a governer prevented a vehicle from going over a certain speed (or in the case of a rev-limiter, from going over a certain RPM) I suppose with a custom governor you could use it to disable your transmission, which would effectively prevent someone from driving off in your car. I mean, all you'd have to do is have some control that adjusted it to prevent a vehicle from going over the speed of 2mph... ;)

      They have remote battery-cutoffs, why not remote governor adjusters?
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    3. Re:What a revelation! by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Because what would be the point in that...? Like you said, they have remote battery cutoffs....I would rather someone not be able to start my car rather than be able to drive it at 2 miles an hour...

      Unless you are being sarcastic, in which case my sarcasm-radar is broken

    4. Re:What a revelation! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that an ignorant slashdotter made a bad automotive analogy because they think they understand cars (hint: most people have no fucking idea what is going on inside their car, and if they do have an idea, they have no idea how it's actually done) when they do not, and some other people criticized it as if it mattered. It does not. If you really want to do something about it, just go find the guy who made the original comment and smack him on the back of the head. Extra points if you knock his brains out of his mouth.

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    5. Re:What a revelation! by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Or I could install a governer in his head to prevent a certain amount of stupidity from making from his brain to his vocal cords :-) /lameness

    6. Re:What a revelation! by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was kinda the point. Take solution to problem "a", apply it to problem "b". Problem "b" not solved in the slightest, but at least you appear to be doing something about it.

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    7. Re:What a revelation! by disasm · · Score: 1

      no, the real problem is a bunch of slashdotters just missed the joke in the analogy. Yes, they are analagous. A governor prevents you from using a vehicle the way you want to, and if someone claimed it deterred theft they would be full of shit... Windows DRM prevents a user from using the computer they want to and calls it secure. Bull shit if you ask me. Of course I have a very dry sense of humor and cracked up laughing when I read that line :-P

      Sam

    8. Re:What a revelation! by Sunburnt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, it's not my fault you can't understand a simple sarcastic analogy. Vista's DRM limits the capabilities of a media file in a misguided attempt to increase security. A governor limits the capabilities of a car, and using it to deter theft would be just as stupid as using Vista-style DRM. The only relevance of the governor to the analogy is in representing a performance limitation.

      "If you really want to do something about it, just go find the guy who made the original comment and smack him on the back of the head. Extra points if you knock his brains out of his mouth."

      Hey, you can't knock someone's brains out of their mouth! Like you'd say, "Most people have no fucking idea what is going on inside their body, and if they do have an idea, they have no idea how it's actually put together."

      Oh wait, you weren't trying to make a point about anatomy, you were just expressing yourself through (childish) language. I guess it is easy to misunderstand someone's language if you're too busy trying to be arrogant. Tell me, is it difficult going through life with your head so far up your ass?

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    9. Re:What a revelation! by Sunburnt · · Score: 1

      Um, yes. That's my point. A governor would be a terribly stupid way to deter theft, just a stupid as Vista's method of DRM.

      Sarcasm: Bringing Slashdot together since 1997.

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    10. Re:What a revelation! by jazman_777 · · Score: 1
      The real problem is that an ignorant slashdotter made a bad automotive analogy...

      All that was missing was a lawyerly tip and an authoritative anecdote. Then his post would have been complete.

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    11. Re:What a revelation! by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

      If you cut off the battery, the carjacker will just get out of the car and kick your fucking ass, take the remote and re-enable it.

      If you use a device that cuts off the gas after x minutes, the carjacker is far enough away that typically they aren't going to come after you.

      If you limit the speed of the vehicle, they may think there's something seriously wrong with the car and leave it. Or, then again, they may just get out and kick your fucking ass for the hell of it.

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    12. Re:What a revelation! by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

      If you cut off the battery, the carjacker will just get out of the car and kick your fucking ass, take the remote and re-enable it. That would be funny. So you stand around, waiting for someone to steal your car so you can disable the battery as they drive off? That would be deserving of a beating... Why not just disable the battery when you park it? They're going to come hunt you down?
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    13. Re:What a revelation! by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Well Sunburnt,

      If it's any consolation, I got it right away, and laughed. If I had mod points I'd have modded it +1 Funny! Too bad some Slashdotters don't have a sense of humor.

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    14. Re:What a revelation! by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

      Carjacking - ie - you're in your car, at a stop light, or sign - someone pulls a gun on you, forces you out of your car. As you exit, you brush against the *carjacking* button installed with your security system.

      So know - you aren't waiting around for your car to be *stolen*. I said carjacker - not car thief.

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    15. Re:What a revelation! by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

      Whoops! Sorry, I misread. :)

      Perhaps then, a delay built in, so it lets them drive a block or so, then kills it. 30 sec timer or something, like those alarm systems that give you 2 minutes to leave the house before activating. Won't affect you if you're disabling it while parking, since you're not going to disable it and then try to drive away, and saves your butt when you get carjacked, since it won't kick in until you're at a safe distance...

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  12. just release it by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just release it, the deluge of bad PR will suck the moneyline away from the lawyers long enough for you to jet to Aruba or somewhere.

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  13. He won't need to ... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now that people know it is possible, I am sure it is only a matter of time before others across the globe attempt to find the weakness. Some of these people won't even be affected by USA law, unless they decide to visit or transit through the country.

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    1. Re:He won't need to ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Some of these people won't even be affected by USA law, unless they decide to visit or transit through the country.

      One wonders if the harassment of people who are not breaking US law in their own jurisdiction when they come to the US will have a chilling effect on technology in the USA. Certainly, some very smart people would be very stupid to visit here...

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    2. Re:He won't need to ... by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Releasing the information anonymously is easy. The problem comes for researchers who want to put their name on it. The problem this guy now has, is that if some anonymous person releases a crack, MS lawyers will get the MS purchased FBI / NSA to go after this researcher regardless of any "proof" that HE actually released it or not.

    3. Re:He won't need to ... by TropicalCoder · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Some of these people won't even be affected by USA law, unless they decide to visit or transit through the country.

      They don't have to visit or transit through the country - The US government will just send the CIA to kidnap them and send them to Egypt for torture.

    4. Re:He won't need to ... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. The situation is just laughable: we find ourselves at a point where it is actually easier to crack the state-of-the-art DRM than to publish the description of the vulnerability. I am sure it took some work, but the blurb makes it sound like the researcher is thinking to himself: "Oops, it broke. What shit did I get myself into now?"

      Ladies and gentlemen, it's a good day to be a pirate.

    5. Re:He won't need to ... by TropicalCoder · · Score: 1

      Who is the insentive clod who marked this a Troll? I am certainly not in the habit of trolling, as can be seen by my record on Slashdot. I was joking - making a timely reference to a news piece I saw on TV today.

      Italy seeks 'CIA kidnap agents'

      US military base of Aviano, northern Italy
      The imam was allegedly driven to a US military base after his abduction. Italian authorities have issued arrest warrants for 13 people they claim are agents "linked to the CIA". The suspects are accused of abducting an Islamic cleric in Milan in 2003 and flying him to Egypt for interrogation.

      Don't you watch the news? If I said something to defend DRM or Microsoft - then I would be a troll. I can't imagine that anyone on Slashdot would take offense with my comment. Isn't Slashdot a forum that champions free speach? I would suggest that you research your victims a bit before you accuse them of being trolls.

    6. Re:He won't need to ... by TropicalCoder · · Score: 1

      By the way, I suspect the moderation was an error, rather than some vicious plot against me. I say this because one night I was moderating, rewarded two good items on a page, hit the moderate button, then scrolled back to see if the points were properly credited. To my horror, they showed exactly the opposite to what I had intended! I panicked and went searching for some way to report the bug, and found no way to undo the damage I had done. I felt terrible. Who knows if I just ruined somebody's career, caused him to commit suicide or something? So you all should be aware of this. I think, rather than a bug, it might have been "finger trouble". It is a possibility that I had left the focus on the moderation box, and when I scrolled down the page (in Firefox), the points scrolled. Has this happened to anybody before? Why is there no way to undo a moderation error - or is there?

    7. Re:He won't need to ... by andr0meda · · Score: 1

      One wonders if the harassment of people who are not breaking US law in their own jurisdiction when they come to the US will have a chilling effect on technology in the USA. Certainly, some very smart people would be very stupid to visit here...

      I'll just assume you meant to write "there".

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    8. Re:He won't need to ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No, because I live in the USA, so I meant to write here. As in, where I am. I'm not visiting, I was born here, but I'm working on leaving.

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  14. Seems that the cat is already out of the bag... by rewt66 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mark says that it's possible. He also says enough that someone else as "skilled in the art" as he is can probably figure out what he did.

    And what he did, if I understand correctly, is have some of his own code run as kernel without it being in a "test signed" driver. That seems to be the essense of his approach. Once you figure out how to do that, you can basically do anything, and Microsoft can't stop you.

  15. Alex is also re-implementing the win32 kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alex Ionescu is the main kernel/HAL developer for the GPL'ed ReactOS project (www.reactos.org), which is aiming for an OS that is fully binary AND driver-compatible with Windows XP/Vista. If you look through the work he's done in the ReactOS SVN (developer name 'ion'), I have no doubts that he's fully capable of analyzing and defeating any kernel-level protections in Vista.

    Although ReactOS can share a lot of work with the WINE project for the win32 userland, it could still use any developers that are familiar with win32 development and would like to see a truly free operating system capable of using windows drivers/software.

    1. Re:Alex is also re-implementing the win32 kernel by Oriumpor · · Score: 1

      I hope this guy is well protected, and doesn't have M$ source access, or his high visibility may bring code leak questions to the project. It is so damn close to being a reality it just needs a little work. Last I checked the project was so close I was able to run the executables made for ReactOS in winxp/win2k.

    2. Re:Alex is also re-implementing the win32 kernel by Slashcrap · · Score: 1

      Alex, is that you?

      Anonymous Cocktard, is that you?

      No, really, you're very insightful. Obviously anyone with something positive to say about a trivial little project like reimplementing the Windows kernel in a completely blind fashion must be the author!

      It's really amazing how you can tell that from such a short comment. I had a go at doing the same thing with yours, but I didn't get very much. I could only tell that nobody has ever laughed at any of your jokes and that you will never experience the physical act of love with a person of either sex.

  16. Why bother even having DRM? by 8127972 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After all, it's only going to get cracked sooner or later. So there is no point is there?

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    1. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not for the pirates, no... It's generally beleived that DRM is to screw those who actually pay for things into paying for them more than once.

    2. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Your sig (at the moment: "This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.") contains all the answers. The DMCA basically prohibits all reverse-engineering except for the purpose of interoperability. While in the loosest sense of the word that IS what we are talking about (you're making Windows interoperate with your TV) it's not what they mean. You can reverse-engineer Windows all you want, but only for the purpose of running Windows programs, or making your product work on Windows.

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    3. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by happyemoticon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The goal is not to make a secure system. The idea of securing a system from its owner (who has physical access) while maintaining usability is absurd and approaches impossiblity. They just want to make a system which 99.9% of users cannot crack, make it so that the crack cannot be generalized across different systems, and prosecute the remaining 0.1%.

      Really, the only way to defeat DRM is to prove to companies that they will make more money without DRM than with, or, failing that, make the preceding true via strikes and public awareness.

    4. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only way DRM could work is if the publisher controlled both the hardware and the software environment. Ever heard of Trusted Computing and the Fritz chip? The idea is that they goop up the board with epoxy and/or lock the keys into a tamper-resistant CPU. Any attempts to get them would destroy the hardware. Once they do this, it is within the realm of possibility that they'd have their dream DRM that could only be broken by the most well-funded labs, which, in the United States, would probably be very illegal.

      Of course, here, we're getting into 1984 type stuff that people would never buy into. Right? Well... hopefully. Read the FAQ linked above if you haven't before; like everything else, they're selling this under the guise of "security", even though it has very little tangible benefit to the end user.

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    5. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you add DRM to your system to gain the favor of the Copyright Cartel. The business case is that they will prefer to distribute content through your proprietary system, rather than a competitor's system that doesn't have DRM. Since people (supposedly) want the content, they'll use your system...and there's your profit.

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    6. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point of DRM, as far as I can see, is not that it prevents determined pirates from doing what they want, but to wring more money from paying customers. Instead of paying for content once, you can make them pay multiple times by limiting what they can do with their purchase.

      E.g., if they can't play their original purchase on their portable music player, you can make them pay again if they want to do that. If you prevent them from making a backup, they will have to pay again if the initial purchase is lost or damaged. And so on.

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    7. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 1

      But this is making a product work on windows. If I want to buy a HiDef DVD but dont want to buy a windows signed monitor I shouldn't have to get a poor resolution.

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    8. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      rather than a competitor's system

            Excuse me, this is Microsoft we're talking about - WHAT competitor? OSX? Linux? Please...

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    9. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Excuse me, this is Microsoft we're talking about - WHAT competitor? OSX? Linux? Please...''

      I thought we were talking about DRM in general. Anyway, Apple is a pretty big competitor of Microsoft when it comes to distributing content from the Copyright Cartel. In fact, I think Apple is _larger_ than Microsoft in that area.

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    10. Re:Why bother even having DRM? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The issue is not a monitor with a signed driver - pretty much anything with DVI or "better" does DDC and typically does it properly. But anyway, this is pretty clearly circumvention of a copyright violation prevention device as defined by the DMCA.

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  17. What with by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Excellent news.
    What with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray being cracked already, and now this, combined with all the hate and general unity by consumers against the big movie and music industry, how much more signal do they need that DRM is pointless and unwanted and to finally stop trying to force it on us?

    1. Re:What with by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Since Linux will invariably end up with hacks to get the new generation media to work, wouldn't it be mighty funny if the only OS you could watch your HD videos in all their glory on whatever monitor you choose ended up being Linux (or BSD or Solaris before some deities smite me)

    2. Re:What with by Sadko · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse "general Slashdot public" with "general public". Unfortunately, general public does not really know/care about DRM...

    3. Re:What with by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      It makes you wonder if Microsoft didn't suddenly see the shit they were in and leaked this themselves.

    4. Re:What with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      A simpler approach: 1) attend live events (theatre, music etc) 2) don't buy from the mainstream media. The nicest feature of this is that you can do these things and still enjoy yourselves without having to suffer from hateful stress.

    5. Re:What with by JacksBrokenCode · · Score: 1

      combined with all the hate and general unity by consumers against the big movie and music industry,

      The problem is, there is not general unity by consumers against those industries. There is definitely unity on Slashdot and other tech-savvy sites, but walk into any Best Buy (or any other store) and look at the dozens of people perusing the DVD & CD sections. If the Vista DRM cripples legitimately purchased media you will see public backlash but as long as the public doesn't know what's going on behind the scenes they won't care until it affects them.

    6. Re:What with by PFAK · · Score: 1

      My mother, who will only touch a computer if someone points a gun at her - Knows about the Sony rootkit, and the general affects of DRM and why it's bad, and No - I never even brought it up with her.

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    7. Re:What with by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      I find that dawn generally breaks when somebody asks "Hey, I can rip my CDs for my music collection for my iPod - why can't I do the same thing with my DVDs and my iPod Video?"

    8. Re:What with by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, general public does not really know/care about DRM...

      They haven't done up to this point, because it hasn't generally interfered with everyday use for most consumers.

      That could change almost overnight if people who spent a lot of money on funky new HD-DVD or Blu-Ray movies find they can't watch them at full quality, or if people's portable media players start dying and they can't transfer their extensive music libraries to another player.

      Sony's rootkit only affected a relatively small proportion of the consumer base, and still, look at the sh*tstorm that caused. One big PR disaster on the sort of scale we could be looking at here, and the entire DRM concept is toast forever in that market, with the first big name player to make Freedom To Choose their marketing campaign scoring a fortune.

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    9. Re:What with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      At the same time, I told the guy who has taught the second-semester C++ course at my undergrad institution that I was going to be researching rootkits, and he said "what's a rootkit?"

      (This was back in August -- well after Sony.)

    10. Re:What with by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Makes it very tempting to set up an information campaign/protest right outside the front door of every big name media store in the country one Saturday, though, doesn't it?

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    11. Re:What with by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      M$ has little motivation to do that IMHO. They already have exclusive OEM deals everywhere. The content protection does little for its sacred/cash cow - M$Office. Windows is more like tax on PC industry - it is already well enforced and few have chance to escape paying it.

      On other side, winning party IMNSHO is storage and recordable media producers. They are the sole benefiters of cracked media protection. There are also lots of bystanders who would benefit - like CPU/GPU/RAM vendors: HD content would be more accessible/affordable what would lead people to upgrading their PCs for HD playback. Of course, in short term, standalone HD players would be losers - but I expect that improved sales of PCs HD drives would compensate for that. It's the same producers anyway.

      And well of course customers are winners too. I'm sure DVD prices would have remained high for much longer without help of "DVD John" and his DeCSS. I think everybody recalls the flood of cheap chinese DVD players - the unlicensed ones. HD at moment too pricy to be target of pirates: DVDs haven't took over the world yet and Asia is filled up with even cheaper VCDs.

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    12. Re:What with by vakuona · · Score: 1

      But imagine if it was simpler to have your HD DVD and you Blu ray working properly on Linux, regardless the legality of it, and you couldn't do that with Windows. One small step for Linux.

    13. Re:What with by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

      "If the Vista DRM cripples legitimately purchased media you will see public backlash but as long as the public doesn't know what's going on behind the scenes they won't care until it affects them."

      The Vista DRM is the exact same as that in dedicated players (and OSX Leopard, for that matter). Since the dedicated hardware players are used much more than computers to watch movie discs (dedicated players probably perform 100,000 times more playback hours than computers), the dedicated players would cause any such backlash.

      For instance, the only "crippling" we've heard about is that if you try to play a protected disc through a digital connection to a non-HDCP screen (or whatever, I'm unsure of the terminology), then the picture is downgraded to 570p. (No current disc has this provision and none are scheduled to until at least 2010.) This will happen for both Vista, OSX, and dedicated players. Since dedicated players get waaaay more playtime, people will notice the problem on dedicated players waaaay more than Vista (or OSX).

      This is why I don't understand why you guys spent so much time bitching about Vista and not saying a word about the same DRM that's in dedicated players. You guys boycott and badmouth Vista over DRM, yet go out and buy these dedicated players without blinking an eye. And I bet you're like most people, in that you'll watch movie discs on dedicated players more than computers, so it would seem that you'd be more concerned about the DRM on those players than on some OS, but logic has never been an attribute that slashdotters possess.

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    14. Re:What with by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      This is why I don't understand why you guys spent so much time bitching about Vista and not saying a word about the same DRM that's in dedicated players. You guys boycott and badmouth Vista over DRM, yet go out and buy these dedicated players without blinking an eye. And I bet you're like most people, in that you'll watch movie discs on dedicated players more than computers, so it would seem that you'd be more concerned about the DRM on those players than on some OS, but logic has never been an attribute that slashdotters possess.

      The logic exists, is perfectly valid and is applied rationally.

      It's just that Microsoft don't make dedicated players...

  18. Its a shame by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    that he put his name to it, rather than just release his findings anoymously from a public internet terminal.

    1. Re:Its a shame by zozzi · · Score: 1
      Well he might use Publius - which is described as: "a Web publishing system that is highly resistant to censorship and provides publishers with a high degree of anonymity"

      Basically you store the copy on any number of servers but the key is split up across other nodes. Retrieval of document requires all the key accessible in a simple format. None of the servers can get to the contents of the doc without the full key and therefore there's plausible deniability built in.

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  19. Second by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    Make sure you download the automatic update for your Vista installation so that your DRM features continue to work smoothly. (btw first time an update was ever released before the software it's updating...)

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  20. Is it illegal for me to have someone check safety? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I drive a car, or heck use a toaster. Isn't it legal for me to give the product to a mechanic or someone versed in the art to check whether it's safe or not?

    So if I use windows .. I need to know if the DRM or digital signing is crap. I don't want spyware to be fakely "digitally signed" and run on my system. If the DRM is crap why would anyone release anything with it? Why are software companies able to prevent or hinder research into the security of their products and announcements to the public w.r.t their safety?

  21. I'll do it... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    I'll gladly do it. I live an arm's length away from the furthest reach of the DMCA.

    1. Re:I'll do it... by robably · · Score: 5, Funny

      The DMCA doesn't have arms, it has tentacles. Horrible, oozing, pus-filled tentacles.

    2. Re:I'll do it... by CelticWhisper · · Score: 1

      And by god, man, I hope you don't live in Japan.

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    3. Re:I'll do it... by PFAK · · Score: 1

      You live in Canada, most likely if someone in the States' really wanted you badly they'd just get you extradited.

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    4. Re:I'll do it... by grub · · Score: 1


      You live in Canada, most likely if someone in the States' really wanted you badly they'd just get you extradited.

      He committed no Canadian crime. You think .ca would extradite me to face draconian US law because I used to smoke a tonne of pot?

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    5. Re:I'll do it... by PFAK · · Score: 1

      Depends what you're doing with said Pot -

      http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/07/29/pot-raid 050729.html

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    6. Re:I'll do it... by chris_eineke · · Score: 1

      It's the government. What else do you expect?

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  22. Crushing of Freedom of Speech by resistant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, I know it's been said very many times before, but I'm moved to say it again. It's simply obscene that runaway copyright law provisions should be used to casually stomp on this kind of freedom of speech, especially in the U.S.A., where allegedly there is a First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech. I would very much like to see a full-out legal confrontation between these terroristic laws as they stand, and the Constitution. The alleged and artificial "right" of the smirking lawyers at commercial companies to keep their nasty little secrets does not in any sense abrogate the innate, natural right of the people to talk to each other about any damn thing they want, particularly complex subjects, and in any way they wish, including via carrier pigeons and Morse code, let alone in plain English (or whatever language) on the Web.

    It's really a shame that other countries such as Sweden actually surpass the U.S.A. in this area.

    Frankly, this pisses me off enough that I'm very strongly tempted once my finances improve enough for the expensive legalities, to spit in the eyes of these jerkoffs with a direct, blunt and extremely widespread explanation (possibly on a Russian server to further annoy and frustrate them) of whatever it is that they absolutely are frantic to not have explained, along with the text of the Constitution with the First Amendment highlighted in red. I think a well-crafted attack on this crap would gather quite a lot of support, moral and otherwise.

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    1. Re:Crushing of Freedom of Speech by Tankko · · Score: 1

      You know, I wish people would look up "Freedom of Speech". Companies copy protecting content is stupid, silly and a long list of other horrible things, but it is NOT a violation of your freedom of speech. Every time you use this you undercut the true meaning and importance of the first amendment. Please stop.

    2. Re:Crushing of Freedom of Speech by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Being restrained from publishing a known flaw in a DRM scheme because of the DMCA could reasonably be argued a violation of your freedom of speech, though you wouldn't necessarily win the argument in court.

    3. Re:Crushing of Freedom of Speech by $pace6host · · Score: 1

      You know, I wish people would look up "Freedom of Speech". Companies copy protecting content is stupid, silly and a long list of other horrible things, but it is NOT a violation of your freedom of speech. Every time you use this you undercut the true meaning and importance of the first amendment. Please stop.
      Protecting content is not a violation of my freedom of speech, but preventing me from discussing mathematics or flaws in DRM IS. You do not get to decide what I get to talk about. Every time you use this argument you undercut the true meaning and importance of the first amendment by eroding it, piece by piece. PLEASE STOP.
    4. Re:Crushing of Freedom of Speech by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

      Ever consider the fact that the US has probably creates a million times more IP than Sweden, and so US govt would care more about protecting IP?

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  23. Honest question by jiggerdot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since the DRM in Vista is so inextricably tied in to the OS, then ANY hack which allows you to run stuff at kernel level will, by definition, be able to break the DRM. Which begs the question: could Sony's next rootkit be a violation of the DMCA, instead of just a huge pain in the ass?

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    1. Re:Honest question by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Interesting concept. Perhaps someone will write a beneficial rootkit, to let users get around kernel-level DRM....

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  24. "*Any* video and audio"? by SEMW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...which is designed to seriously degrade the playback quality of any video and audio running on systems with hardware components not explicitly approved by Microsoft. Woah! "anyvideo and audio"? I thought it was just Blu-ray and HD-DVD movies which have the Image Constraint Token (ICT) flag set. TFA quotes it as "some premium content", which doesn't make it much clearer. Anyone want to clarify?
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    1. Re:"*Any* video and audio"? by EvanED · · Score: 1

      You're correct more or less. There will probably be downloadable sources and such that also use the same thing, but "any video and audio" is typical Slashdot anti-MS bull.

    2. Re:"*Any* video and audio"? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      There will probably be downloadable sources and such that also use the same thing, but "any video and audio" is typical Slashdot anti-MS bull.

      "Any A/V container format that can support ICT tokens" is probably the most accurate way to state it. Those MPEG files you downloaded five years ago can never be degraded, but content distributed today in "Windows Media Format v12" or whatever could be.

    3. Re:"*Any* video and audio"? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Anyone want to clarify?
      This came from, as far as I can tell, a Slashdot story around a month ago in which the submitter claimed that all audio and video would be degraded by Vista's DRM (without evidence). Since then, it's become accepted as gospel truth here.
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    4. Re:"*Any* video and audio"? by trezor · · Score: 1

      And you expect anyone to care about the truth on slashdot as long as it makes Microsoft look bad?

      Also 1920x1080 plays fine on this Vista installation. Just don't touch DRMed content, use open formats and you are fine. But you probably knew that already.

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  25. Re:Too bad this didn't come out 3-6 months from... by SEMW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    right now this seems to give M$ a head start on tightening the DRM noose even more or insisting on TPM. Maybe now MS Norway's use of a Mac to demonstrate Vista makes more sense...
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  26. Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone in America cracked this first.

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    1. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Someone in America cracked this first.

      except Alex is Canadian

    2. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Canada isn't in America?

      -Eric

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    3. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by Lord_Sintra · · Score: 1

      Actually, someone in America published it first. Might have been cracked and going round the hacker underground for weeks.

    4. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      DVD Jon lives in the US now so maybe they've been "brain drained".

    5. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here in Canada, we are so used to people using "America" to mean the United States of America that we refer to ourselves as Canadians and reserve the use of "America" and "American's" to mean the USA and its residents. By people I mean Canadians, US Americans, and others.

      If you want to refer to all members of North America you say "North America", and "The Americas" for both the entire landmass (North, South, and Central America).

      By using "Canadian", "American", "Mexican", and "North American", we can avoid all of the confusion.

      Pretty much everyone on the planet means USAian when they say "American", so why fight?

      Plus, when USAians say "America" they generally mean themselves, forgetting that anyone else lives on this continent and takes credit for anything anyone up here does, do it does our ego good to be specific ;)

    6. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      Canada isn't in America?
      Homer Simpson: Canada? Why should we leave America for America Junior?
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    7. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I usually go with "Californian" to describe my nationality. I've even gone as far as to put that on my disembarcation form and haven't run into any problems. Most foreigners know at least the large US states (only people in here in the US are ignorant of world geography). As an added bonus, I tend to get treated better since people in other countries pretty much blame the red states for the US's obnoxiousness.

    8. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      Friends from South America claim they are also Americans, and grumble at interpreters in Europe who routinely have trouble with this idea. BTW, did you see the theory that America was named after a Bristol (UK) merchant, one Mr Amerike, and not the Spanish explorer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

    9. Re:Norwegians, I'm ashamed of you by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      I think we should adopt "Uniter" just to see George Bush stand before the U.N. with a straight face and proclaim himself a uniter.

      -Eric

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  27. not so excellent ... by mbaudis · · Score: 1

    ... since this basically takes soe wind out of the vista opponent's sails. less worries, after you have kernel-patched-illegally-moded ... so "hackers" will complain less, vista will spread like oil after a big tanker disaster, and the tech guys will be more willing to support it at their companies and relative's home pcs. essentially, the $@#^&! level will be lowered.

    maybe time to buy ms stock? o.k., i would rather invest in the fur industry (i heard, bloody baby seals are in vogue) ...

  28. Re:Let's learn English by EvanED · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could not be more redundant.

    Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

    (Also, that "sentence" I quoted is a fragment. And you didn't capitalize "i" in the previous sentence, which is actually a run-on.)

  29. Re: It's a shame by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a shame that things have come to a point where developers/security researchers have to worry about releasing findings like this, perhaps *even* when they are not under US law.

  30. s/Mark/Alex/ (my bad) by rewt66 · · Score: 1

    no text

  31. Yay! by Grinin · · Score: 2, Funny

    There needs to be an installer to bypass the PMP and DRM functionality in Vista so that every user can have the right to CHOOSE!

    1. Re:Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, Until microsoft anti-spyware deletes your patch....

  32. 1st is to realize credit is overrated. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, he's already probably a bit screwed.

    Here's the problem: there's virtually no way to get in trouble, if you just release an exploit anonymously. (By definition, if it's truly anonymous, they can't catch you; there are lots of ways to basically ensure your anonymity today.) Where you start to get in trouble is when you want to release an exploit that's going to ruin somebody's day and take credit for it.

    This comes up with regards to other, less-politically-sensitive bugs. When you step forward and take credit for something that you've released, you're basically holding up a big "come and get me!" sign. It's a lot easier to sling mud at a person, than it is at some anonymous entity on the Internet.

    It's really taking credit that burns people, not releasing the bug/hack/exploit. It would have been trivial for this guy to release his code, anonymously or even pseudonymously, and keep it firewalled from his real-world identity. If he had done that, there might have been some attempts to uncover who he really was, but I doubt anyone would try that hard -- it's harder to go after someone that's anonymous, than an actual person. With a person, you have something to put in your mind under 'enemy,' that you just don't have with some vaporous person or persons on the Internet. Being anonymous diffuses a lot of the hatred, because it's harder to hate someone that might not exist. By standing up and taking credit, you're accepting everything.

    Personally, if I were to discover something like this, there's no way I'd publicly admit it. I live a happy enough life without becoming some sort of hacker/security icon; the downsides of becoming the next Dimitry Sklyarov seem far greater than the possible benefits. Release the code somewhere in public, maybe signed with a private key that you have stashed away (so, decades down the line, you'd be able to claim it, if you wanted to and if the statute of limitations had run out), and only communicate via Usenet dead-drops and anonymous remailers. The tools to remain completely hidden are all there -- heck, you could probably do interviews in Wired under a psuedonym, the only absolute would be keeping the Clark-Kent-esque secret of your true identity hidden, and I'm not sure if some people would be able to swallow their pride enough to do that.

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    1. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thing is, now that he's meekly announced that he's cracked it but not saying how, someone else can duplicate his work (or comes to the same end by unrelated means) and post it anonymously, and it'll all come back to this guy now. He's put himself in the crosshairs even without posting source code.

    2. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by nasch · · Score: 1

      It's really taking credit that burns people, not releasing the bug/hack/exploit. It would have been trivial for this guy to release his code, anonymously or even pseudonymously, and keep it firewalled from his real-world identity. If he had done that, there might have been some attempts to uncover who he really was, but I doubt anyone would try that hard
      I don't doubt they would try hard. If this code is real and gets out, I don't think MS is going to feel any less burned if it's done anonymously. And the RIAA has filed many "John Doe" lawsuits where they don't initially have any idea who they're going after. If MS were willing to sue over this (I don't know if they would be, or if they would take other avenues) I doubt a little matter such as not knowing who did it would deter them.
    3. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by Turo+T+Lamminen · · Score: 1

      That is not DRM, just plain old crypto. You lose.

    4. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by Turo+T+Lamminen · · Score: 1

      If MS were willing to sue over this (I don't know if they would be, or if they would take other avenues) I doubt a little matter such as not knowing who did it would deter them.

      But not being able to find out who to sue would. Sure they can file a "John Doe" -lawsuit but if you're using anonymous remailers, usenet dead drops or the Tor network and don't shoot your mouth off they'll never find you.

    5. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Release the code somewhere in public, maybe signed with a private key that you have stashed away (so, decades down the line, you'd be able to claim it, if you wanted to and if the statute of limitations had run out), and only communicate via Usenet dead-drops and anonymous remailers. The tools to remain completely hidden are all there -- heck, you could probably do interviews in Wired under a psuedonym, the only absolute would be keeping the Clark-Kent-esque secret of your true identity hidden, and I'm not sure if some people would be able to swallow their pride enough to do that.
      The thing is, this is really difficult to do. He may have realized that he (like me) is insufficiently paranoid to remain eternally vigilant enough. The risk of accidentally including some identifying tidbits is too high for me to risk releasing something like this, if I ever came up with such a feat of coding. Code itself (style of naming variables, commenting preferences, whitespace preferences), information about what university (perhaps) or general geographic location, etc, might be hard to avoid. If he ever wants to defend the code, update it, or explain why it works, he'd have to be anonymous in THAT endeavor as well.

      Once you release information to the Internet, you have to be sure that there is never any way to tie it back to you. If you're not willing to do that (or unable, whatever), then you don't risk it. In my opinion, that's a very viable choice.

      If anything, make a notarized version of one's code that DOES do it, and put it under lock and key. That way, when J Random Hacker from Elbonia releases a hack, and the lawyers come after you (since you said you'd cracked it), you can point out that that released hack wasn't yours. (Tho, maybe you can't prove it that way, now that I think of it ... and, perhaps having the notarized hard copy could be used as evidence that you HAD broken it... which is jsut the sticky situation he wants to avoid. D'oh.)

      Stupid DMCA. :)
    6. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by edschurr · · Score: 1

      In the case of computer security I don't think there is such a concern; multiple people will accomplish the same thing within the year, and there are thousands of suspects. And most of those points seem like they would have trivial solutions. However if the topic was something like pure math then I could see it.

    7. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by Flwyd · · Score: 1

      Among academia, recognition is vital. If you don't publish you don't succeed. If academic security researchers could only publish their results anonymously then they would lose their jobs. The graduate school maxim is "publish or perish."

      Proudly signing your full legal name is what distinguishes researchers from hackers.

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    8. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by Technician · · Score: 1

      The tools to remain completely hidden are all there -- heck, you could probably do interviews in Wired under a psuedonym, the only absolute would be keeping the Clark-Kent-esque secret of your true identity hidden, and I'm not sure if some people would be able to swallow their pride enough to do that.


      You missed use a public hotspot from a PC with a fresh OS install and no identifiable informaton on it.

      After the upload, wipe the disk and install another OS. Leave no tracks.

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    9. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by davecb · · Score: 1

      technician wrote: heck, you could probably do interviews in Wired under a psuedonym, the only absolute would be keeping the Clark-Kent-esque secret of your true identity hidden, and I'm not sure if some people would be able to swallow their pride enough to do that.

      The brother of a friend did just that, and I have a copy of the picture of him in disguise. Indeed, people can and do swallow their pride for what the consider to be more important.

      --dave

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    10. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Or just use a Linux boot CD such as Knoppix. Boot into Linux, do what you need to do, reboot afterward. No tracks, no data stored, no alterations to the host computer, no evidence you were there beyond fingerprints on the keyboard (unless you wear latex gloves while you type, then not even that.)

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    11. Re:1st is to realize credit is overrated. by Technician · · Score: 1

      Or just use a Linux boot CD such as Knoppix.

      Good point, but... Live CD's don't have NDISwrapper installed making it difficult to use a public hotspot with most laptops.

      Fear not, there is a solution.

      A solution is to use the RJ45 connection and bring along an access point which can be configured as a client.

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  33. Thats the problem with 3rd party drivers by subanark · · Score: 1

    With having to mix in support for the old legacy drivers, along with the newer trust system, its not too supprising that a loop hole was found. This is area where Apple has the advantage. Microsoft would probably have been in much bigger trouble if they decided to require all driver makers to rewrite their drivers (and manifests) with the newer spefication.

    Although I wouldn't be supprised if in the future Microsoft does in fact lock down its operating system and write all drivers for third party itself, requiring the hardware maker pay them to do so.

    1. Re:Thats the problem with 3rd party drivers by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Although I wouldn't be supprised if in the future Microsoft does in fact lock down its operating system and write all drivers for third party itself, requiring the hardware maker pay them to do so.

      Actually, I wish they were this stupid.

      The thing that immediately comes to mind is nvidia/ATI. Occasionally, I've heard it argued that ATI has better hardware -- but nvidia has always had better drivers, particularly on Linux. And either company is going to have people who know the hardware, and know it very well.

      Furthermore, this means it costs more money for hardware developers to support anything other than Windows, because you can bet MS wouldn't be releasing quality nvidia drivers for Linux -- and I seem to remember that some company was actually paying nvidia for SLI support in the Linux drivers. This means that any hardware company with juicy contracts from, say, Apple -- Apple certainly pays companies for the hardware in those shiny MacBooks -- or IBM, or any other possibilities (I admit I'm guessing here), and Windows people buying their hardware.

      So, consider something like ProTools -- I'd imagine this would be time for both ProTools and hardware manufacturers to take a long, hard look at porting to Linux. Cheaper to pay MS to redevelop your drivers, license them, etc, or to pay someone to develop Ardour?

      But that's just the money aspect. In any case, I'm guessing it will partly be a sociological aspect, too. When someone's Linux can't get online, it's "Linux can't access my wireless," it's seen as Linux's fault. When someone's Windows can't get online, it's Dell's fault, or it's their wireless card's fault. This would pretty much level the playing field -- MS forced to write their own drivers for EVERYTHING, just like Linux, the only advantage being that people would pay MS to do it -- but MS already has the money to do it, the only reason Windows isn't the best OS imaginable is insane incompetence (malice, even?) on the part of the management. If they weren't having weekly meetings about the Start Menu -- nay, the fucking Shutdown feature of the Start Menu -- they could've done this already.

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  34. Re:begs the question by jiggerdot · · Score: 2

    Thank you. I am enlightened.

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  35. Re:Manna from heaven. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Vista would appear to be going nowhere in the market with the DRM mill-stone around its neck.

    I don't think so. Businesses don't care; this will not affect them. Home users don't care; they don't want Vista. It's the lack of a compelling reason to purchase Vista that's stopping people from purchasing Vista. Windows 95 was a major upgrade. Windows XP was a major upgrade. They both got major attention. Windows Vista is a minor upgrade. It adds eye candy and some features that only business users typically need (like whole-disk encryption, which is a recipe for disaster in the hands of home users.)

    The bottom line is that home users will be the major adopters of Vista because they will get the machine with Vista and they will run it with Vista. Corporate users who get new machines in with Vista will probably, if they have a volume license, run Windows XP on them instead, for the foreseeable future, not least because Vista has a brand-spanking-new TCP/IP stack which at least in the beta was known to be vulnerable to a whole laundry-list of otherwise-outdated attacks, things Windows hasn't been vulnerable to since the late nineties. Personally my biggest concern about vista on the corporate desktop (luckily not a decision I have to make) is that the network stack will be a vector of attack into the network, one that our firewall has no power to stop since users are continually opening outgoing connections.

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  36. Details? by Jotii · · Score: 5, Funny

    he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details
    Can anyone explain more in detail?
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    1. Re:Details? by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

      I'd detail the details for you, but I wouldn't want to bore you with the details.

  37. Re:Fight the power! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Suppose I *did* pay for Vista.
    Suppose my current hardware is fast enough and has enough resources to run even the most demanding of applications.
    Suppose my current monitor can handle the resolutions required.
    Suppose I did have a hd-dvd drive and some movies.

    Imagine how pissed I would be if I couldn't watch them at native resolution because according to Microsoft I had the wrong connector.

    I want an Operating system, not a restricted system.

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  38. DRM is overcome as a community, not individually by alohatiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if Vista were perfect and beyond any cracks/hacks, the DRM on the media will be defeated on other platforms. The content will then spread without DRM. Somebody in Hong Kong or Vietnam will make a standalone Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player that rips directly to open formats, and that will be that.

    All the effort MS is putting into this will not make the studios happy, and will not make the customers happy. I think they made a bad choice.

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  39. Temporary At Best by mpapet · · Score: 1, Redundant

    1. Anyone with half a brain new this was coming.
    2. No doubt there are *lots* of exploits waiting to be found. This is a Microsoft OS after all. Microsoft's core strength is Marketing and general amoral anything-goes business practices certainly not operating systems.
    3. This is all very temporary. As Tivo's smart card/signed OS has shown Microsoft the way to maintaining their artificially high price for an operating system and subsequent inflated hardware prices.

    It makes me so sad to see stories like this tagged with "haha." There is such a small number of people that understand the implications of DRM and the ultimate harm to all that they are simply marginalized as "nut jobs/OSS holy warriors."

    The last laugh absolutely, positively, is Microsoft's and the broader special interests they serve.

    Since this is the slashdot echo chamber, go about your business being morally outraged and doing nothing.

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    1. Re:Temporary At Best by QCompson · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's core strength is Marketing and general amoral anything-goes business practices certainly not operating systems.
      I don't get it. I think Microsoft is a bully, and I think they make frequent use of unfair business practices to dominate the market, but what is so wrong with W2K and XP? They are stable, usable operating systems. So very often on Slashdot I see it taken as a given that all MS operating systems suck. I say criticize M$ Windoze all you want, and burn effigies of Bill Gates to your heart's content, but give credit where credit is due. Do W2K and XP not perform the job they are supposed to do?
    2. Re:Temporary At Best by TropicalCoder · · Score: 1

      Do W2K and XP not perform the job they are supposed to do?

      I very much enjoy programming on these platforms. However, what I think gave them a bad reputation was their lack of security - so bad that perhaps one quarter of all platforms running MS operating systems may be p0wned drones of botnets.

  40. Misleading story by NullProg · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a Blog entry, not an Article or News story. From the Blog...

    1). It doesn't work out of the Box.
    That being said, it turns out the code I've written does not work out of the box on a Vista RTM system.

    2). It uses a method provided by Microsoft.
    As part of the Protected Media Path, (PMP), Windows Vista sets up a number of requirements for A/V software and drivers in order to ensure it complies with the demandes of the media companies.

    3). It hasn't been tested.
    Although used on its own, this POC doesn't do anything or go anywhere near the PMP (I don't even have Protected Media, HDMI, HD-DVD, nor do I know where PMP lives or how someone can intercept decrypted steams),

    4). Author is more afraid of the DMCA than of violating Microsofts EULA terms.
    a particularly nasty group of lawyers could still somehow associate the DMCA to it, so I'm not going to take any chances.

    This isn't a story. Its pre-mature speculation.
    Enjoy,

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    1. Re:Misleading story by Alex_Ionescu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      1). It doesn't work out of the Box.

      Yes, it requires a reboot, which is why it's only useful for bypassing DRM, not for open source apps (which will have to bother the user to reboot).

      2). It uses a method provided by Microsoft.

      Erm, no, PMP is provided by Microsoft. This method bypasses it.

      3). It hasn't been tested.

      It works fine, the actual PMP-disabling code hasn't been tested because I don't want to touch that. But my code ran in kernel-mode, which means it's possible. Read up a bit on computer architecture and you'll see that as long as you have access to the kernel, you're God on the machine (Apart from hypervisor machines and/or additional hardware -- which PMP doesn't currently employ).

      4). Author is more afraid of the DMCA than of violating Microsofts EULA terms.

      Author is a student and doesn't want to be sued out of existence because this method could be used to "circumvent a technological measure primarly destined for copyright protection".

    2. Re:Misleading story by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Well done, that man ;)

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    3. Re:Misleading story by MollyB · · Score: 1

      What I fail to understand is why Microsoft would rather pay hefty lawyers' fees rather than offer you a non-disclosure arrangement in which you can retire at graduation. Congratulations on your technical prowess, btw.

    4. Re:Misleading story by Alex_Ionescu · · Score: 5, Informative

      You havent tested this. I could care less if your driver is loaded.

      Not using a driver, RTFM.

      Microsoft knows that 3rd party driver certificates are going to be stolen/compromised. Microsoft hasn't even provided a method to reject unsigned drivers yet (per MSDN it will be in Vista SP1).

      Which is why this isn't using a stolen/3rd party driver or unsigned driver, nor actually loading a driver.

      Did you happen to hook one of the kernel functions PatchGuard is monitoring? Try to patch CI.DLL and see what happens. You can disable driver signing. You cannot disable PatchGuard.

      There's about a dozen ways to disable PatchGuard, and I was able to patch CI.DLL, disable PatchGuard, as well as turn off code signing. I don't want to sound condescending, but you don't seem to know what you're talking about, or you're being deliberately misleading with your PatchGuard comment.

      I'm not saying that you can't bypass Microsofts DRM restrictions. I just don't think you have and the burden of proof is on you.

      I'm not going to commit legal suicide by proving it. The point of my blog entry was never to say I broke DRM, but that I've found a way which can break it, which people are free to explore on their own.

    5. Re:Misleading story by Alex_Ionescu · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have an NDA with Microsoft already. But this was done through independent research which isn't covered.

    6. Re:Misleading story by NullProg · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Not using a driver, RTFM.
      snip
      Which is why this isn't using a stolen/3rd party driver or unsigned driver, nor actually loading a driver.


      Ok, I re-read the post, and read some of the other postings. Did slashdot miss a link? Where exactly do you descibe your method?


      There's about a dozen ways to disable PatchGuard, and I was able to patch CI.DLL, disable PatchGuard, as well as turn off code signing.


      Again, is there some other link that wasn't posted with this story? No where on the orginal blog entry does it mention that you disabled PatchGuard. If you have patched CI.DLL then I congratulate you.

      I reserve my right to be a skeptic until I have the details.

      Enjoy,

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    7. Re:Misleading story by BearRanger · · Score: 1
      This isn't a story. Its pre-mature speculation.

      And like all premature speculation it will only lead to disappointment and embarrassment...

    8. Re:Misleading story by Mawginty · · Score: 1

      17 USC 1201(f) (DMCA)

      Reverse Engineering. - (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.

      So it looks like if Alex DOES get sued he has a pretty plausible defense. I.e, he's getting code to run in kernel-mode so that he can get FOSS projects to work properly w/o having signed drivers. Granted if he gets sued he'll have to tell it to the judge whilst a well trained lawyer is saying exactly the opposite.

    9. Re:Misleading story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      you know, it wouldn't have taken very long for you to browse through the reactos svn, and see that alex is responsible for writing almost the ENTIRE hal and the lions share of the kernel. it's now at the point that many native win32 binary drivers successfully load and drive hardware on top of that hal/kernel, which is an incredible achievement.

      i don't know what you think russinovich has done to equal or best that (document an undocumented ntdll call or two? wow awesome), but i've not seen anything nearly as impressive.

    10. Re:Misleading story by NullProg · · Score: 1

      Note to bendodge:

      Note to other people: before you start arguing with parent, notice the author.

      What makes you think Alex knows anymore than the rest of us who have been hacking the NT kernal since 3.0x? Just because we don't contribute to ReactOS makes us inept? What decent programmer hasn't hooked the windows kernel to bend it to thier needs?

      Alex isn't Dave Cutler or Linus.

      Enjoy,

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    11. Re:Misleading story by NullProg · · Score: 1

      you know, it wouldn't have taken very long for you to browse through the reactos svn, and see that alex is responsible for writing almost the ENTIRE hal and the lions share of the kernel. it's now at the point that many native win32 binary drivers successfully load and drive hardware on top of that hal/kernel, which is an incredible achievement.

      Point made. My point isn't about ReactOS, its about Vista DRM and proving the workaround works.

      Enjoy,

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    12. Re:Misleading story by Alex_Ionescu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What decent programmer hasn't hooked the windows kernel to bend it to thier needs?

      "Programmers" like that are anything but decent if they release such code in the market. They're the ones responsible for 90% of the BSODs we see and the system instability that plagued NT due to crappy drivers. They're the reason I think Patchguard is a good idea, in some ways.

      Note that I have nothing against people who experimented with the kernel and used hooking for learning and experimenting, just don't ship out a product like that.

  41. romanian by mbaudis · · Score: 2, Informative

    actually, his first name, too. but that argument makes google a 50% russian company.

  42. Sometimes . . . by Hamoohead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    . . . the only incentive one needs to complete a task is the knowledge that it has been, and can be done. It doesn't much matter if he releases his code. TFA has enough info for anyone savvy enough to duplicate his work. Once it's out of the bottle, it'll be like WGA all over again. Another cat . . . another mouse . . . another cat . . . But perhaps the knowledge that Windows ultimate "security" DRM is, indeed, insecure will turn out to be the mouse that roared.

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  43. They *did* make manufacturers rewrite drivers by Myria · · Score: 1

    They did make manufacturers rewrite their drivers to support DRM. Microsoft even required manufacturers to implement hardware "tilt bits" that trigger if something weird happens, like voltage differences that could occur if someone is tapping the bus.

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  44. Obligatory attempt at poor humor... by E-Lad · · Score: 5, Funny


    "It's time to un-PMP ze audio"

    1. Re:Obligatory attempt at poor humor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oh, snap!

  45. Re:Fight the power! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I want an Operating system, not a restricted system.

    So I assume you are not planning to run either Vista or OSX?

    I hear there are a number of Free/free operating systems that don't impose any DRM on you...

    I strongly suspect that Microsoft only put this functionality in because otherwise HD-DVD would never fly - the studios would tell them to cram it up their ass sideways, and there wouldn't be a format war, which would leave Sony as the de facto winner. Frankly, I'd rather my windows had DRM than let Sony win, even if it is a war with no winners (including the consumer.)

    And before you ask, yes, I have given up on Windows for everything but my work machine. Someday when I buy this machine from my employer (which we are permitted to do at the ebay depreciated value, whatever that means) it will be Linux-only.

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  46. Re:very fitting PVP by saskboy · · Score: 1

    I'd heard it called Protected Video Path in the past.

    TPM, DRM, PVP, PMP,
    It's all Geek to me.
    Why can't Microsoft let us be,
    All we want is to be free.

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  47. Sorry 'bout that by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Didn't read TFA, but when I saw this in the blurb:

    draconian copyright laws

    ...I just assumed it was us.

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    rediculous.
  48. Wouldn't Be A Slashdot Article by nwoolls · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it didn't have some FUD right in the summary.

    'Protected Media Path' (PMP), which is designed to seriously degrade the playback quality of any video and audio running on systems with hardware components not explicitly approved by Microsoft..

    No. It doesn't. It does it for specific DRM content.

    These restrictions only apply to DRM content, such as HD DVD or Blu-ray. User's standard unprotected content will not be faced with these restrictions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Video_Path

  49. "Draconian" by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Alex is now quite nervous about what an army of lawyers backed by draconian copyright laws could do to him if he released the details
    Enough with the word "draconian." Without copyright law, the GPL wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The copyright system is just fine--you should be attacking Microsoft and Microsoft alone, for they have the right to do this, but we have the right as consumers to reject it. That's how it works.
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    1. Re:"Draconian" by gstoddart · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Enough with the word "draconian." Without copyright law, the GPL wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
      Copyright law is fine. That much is true.

      The DMCA, however, is draconian since it basically trumps existing copyright law, strips out fair use provisions, and gives content owners huge amounts of power to bully, close down, or otherwise make life miserable for anyone they feel like. Sending an ISP that you think someone is violating your copyright is often enough to get a domain pulled. In this case, releasing an exploit will bring you afoul of the DMCA, even though you've not actually violated copyright -- you've just identified a way to possibly circumvent digital protections.

      We're not disputing Copyright (well, most of us), just what the new rules granted by the DMCA seem to do. 'Cause it's pretty evil.

      Cheers
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    2. Re:"Draconian" by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      It is because of copyright law that we even need GPL. Note how Stallman always used to refer to the copyleft to oppose copyright. Do you even understand the purpose of the GPL and the philosophy behind it?
      If he understands it well enough to know that the GPL relies on copyright law to give it it's teeth, I'm sure he understands the purpose and philosophy behind it. Stallman can call it copyleft all he wants -- it doesn't divorce the legal standing of the GPL from copyright law.

      Cheers
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    3. Re:"Draconian" by Joe+Decker · · Score: 1
      It is because of copyright law that we even need GPL.

      Not entirely, lacking copyright law software creators could still just release binaries. Remember that part of the point of the GPL is the inherent disclosure of source it forces. (Of course, that "force" calls into the question the claim of GPL as being entirely about freedom, but nevermindthatrightnow.)

    4. Re:"Draconian" by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I *think* Stallman and many people in the Free Software movement would rather see copyright law abolished altogether than maintain a GPL. This would afford maximum freedom and minimum control and therefore serve the overall good.
      I agree that a lot of people might want that; basically the whole "information wants to be anthropomorphized and free" group figure any restrictions on data are obscene. They would dearly love for all information to be open, free, and unencumbered.

      Am I wrong in this interpretation?
      I don't think you're wrong in interpreting that some people would want it that way. I won't wade into wether or not it would actually serve the overall good or not. :-P

      Cheers
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    5. Re:"Draconian" by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

      At some point one does need to operate within the rules so as to make a good show.

      The point is still that the GNU philosophy is very different from the philosophy behind the letter of copyright law.

      The problem is in people making use of the ideas/work of others without giving them proper credit/compensation.

      Copyright law approaches the problem (taking without giving proper credit) with greed: it's all ours and the law dictates all terms.

      GPL is approaches the problem with freedom: it's all everyone's but, please, try to at least do this, this, this, and this to help ensure that it remains as everyone's.

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    6. Re:"Draconian" by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Without copyright law, the GPL wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

      *sigh* Here we go again. Without copyright law, the GPL doesn't NEED a leg to stand on. It wouldn't NEED to exist. It can rest in peace. All exclusivity is removed. You cannot take the code away. You can't keep it for yourself once it's out. There would be no law to protect that. And real progress would become a reality, instead of a once every model year event. "Yes sir. Drive the New Plywood Fury! With a two barrel carbon-maker and a brand new gladiator! This year with 63% more transparent windshields and the new wonda-weave fabric seat covers, built for the new millennium." - THAT is what copyright has given us. Of course the rest of you are convinced we would still be pulling ox carts without it.

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    7. Re:"Draconian" by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      But if you abolished copyright law, people would not need to bother with releasing source code to GPL'd software, they'd just keep their modifications to themselves. Book companies wouldn't bother to pay authors either, since they own the printing press and would be allowed to print as many books as they wanted without needing to pay royalties. And if you abolished patents, something similar would happen - people that owned factories would make and sell whatever they wanted and not bother to pay the original inventors.

      So if you invented something that you couldn't mass produce on your own, you'd be better off keeping it secret. I think it's a good example of how anarchy will quickly lead to a tyranny of the most powerful.

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    8. Re:"Draconian" by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We don't need life + 90yrs for GPL to work. But it's there. And yes, it's draconian.

      What more, if there were no copyright, there wouldn't be a need for GPL (you could "steal" other people's code by using it in a closed-source product, but you wouldn't have any way to profit from it, so noone'd bother).

  50. Re:He didn't "Break" PatchGuard by ThinkFr33ly · · Score: 1

    Eh, I should have read his other blog posts. His work around doesn't involve PatchGuard at all, nor does it involve running an unsigned driver.

    Never mind. My bad.

  51. Re:Why bother even having a door? by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 1

    This statement bothers me. Compairing DRM to a door is foolish. compairing DRM to a door lock, maybe. I bother having a door because it keeps the wind, rain, and other elements outside. I dont keep it locked because people who want to steal things will easily defeat a lock.

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  52. Not a problem by StarKruzr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details about this

    Freenet: It's Not Just For Kiddie Porn Anymore(TM)

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    1. Re:Not a problem by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      The problem is that he put his name all over it.

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  53. Re: It's a shame by winomonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    US law is like Man Law - a universal truth with a reach that transcends all borders.

  54. "... bypassed ... Vista ..." by LoudMusic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Security researcher Alex Ionescu claims to have successfully bypassed the much discussed DRM protection in Windows Vista ... I figured that out too. Seems there are plenty of products on the market already that help with the problem. OS X, Ubuntu, Amiga, Solaris, Zeta, ... hell, even XP.

    No one ever said we have to upgrade to Vista.
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  55. Thank You!!!! by RH_Jesus_Freak40 · · Score: 1

    That guy is my new hero. I just hope he doesn't get sued for his work.

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  56. Re:He can crack DRM... by EightySeven · · Score: 1

    And posting anonymous makes you what?

  57. By design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Remember when Asian DVD manufactures *had* to implement DVD-region-encoding? Even though they absolutely didn't want to? Even though the market clearly didn't want it?
    Their solution was to ship region-encoded players (thus fulfilling their legal obligations) that were incredibly trivial to unlock - usually pressing two buttons simultaneously on the remote or similar nonsense.

    One could argue that Microsoft has delivered a DRM system that satisfies the content producers yet is crackable enough to allow vista to be successful in the market.

    In fact, there's no way you can prove that the hack itself didn't originate in Redmond.

    Or this is just all pie-in-the-sky and everything really is exactly as it appears. :)

    1. Re:By design? by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

      > In fact, there's no way you can prove that the hack itself didn't originate in Redmond

      Already been there, got flamed for it, didn't get the mod point that you did.

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    2. Re:By design? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Being homeless, I need five things: a job, marijuana, money, beer, and food.
      Don't forget sex.....

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    3. Re:By design? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      You are very perceptive.
      On reflection, the absence of 'sex' regarding HomelessinLaJolla's hierarchy of needs could very well point out the fact that he/she does in fact have lots of sex and therefore doesn't need it. Interestingly enough, being homeless must somehow provide a lot of sexual gratification.

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  58. Re:He didn't "Break" PatchGuard by Alex_Ionescu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Administrators can turn PatchGuard off at boot time. He didn't break it.

    There's no way to turn off PatchGuard off, only Driver Signing, which watermarks your desktop and disables PMP. Ways to break Patchguard 2.0 were published recently by "Skywing" on uninformed.org

  59. Re:Is it illegal for me to have someone check safe by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

    If I drive a car, or heck use a toaster. Isn't it legal for me to give the product to a mechanic or someone versed in the art to check whether it's safe or not?

    Probably only if you own it. If you don't own it, there's a chance that it could be damaged and you would be liable for the damage. in the case of Windows, you don't own it thanks to copyright law, so if you "damage" the DRM during testing it you could be liable for that damage. How one can damage something doomed to failure to begin with I have no idea. Apparently simply declaring (to the world at large) exactly how it is doomed to failure with enough specificity is illegal according to the DMCA.

  60. Re:Why bother even having a door? by disasm · · Score: 1

    Vegetables? That's what food eats right? Sam

  61. No, the cat does not "got my tongue." by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Alex is now quite nervous about what an army of lawyers backed by draconian copyright laws could do to him if he released the details
    Don't worry about it. The US Constitution protects freedom of speech.

    This includes, and especially applies to things the government does not want you to say.

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  62. Re:Fight the power! by deviceb · · Score: 1

    that about sums it up. I want my OS to do whatever i want it to and more. I have a free copy coming for a laptop i just bought.. but will i actually use it? Not with this type of bullshit on board. And what if i want to use it on my desktop instead? Is microshaft going to fuck with my shit if they smell something they deam funny?
    Lets get some phreakin directX on linux please so we can ditch MS.

    *blech

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  63. Sadly, it's one of DMCA's features/loopholes by boombaard · · Score: 1

    Sadly, it's one of DMCA's features/loopholes to be able to do this, i suspect. granted, the exemption for researchers might be inthere, but i also suspect that that can be twisted to fit if necessary (ie. to "let the researcher prove" his publishing of the Proof of Concept was necessary to prove the concept, rather than to just send it in to MS via mail.?

  64. Might not be a DMCA violation by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    Is there any content actually on the market right now, that uses Vista's DRM?

    If not, then this is perfectly legal. There's nobody to sue you. If there aren't any works that use Vista's "technological measure that limits access," then 1201 wasn't violated. Maybe later there will be, but a violation can't be retroactive. That's like firing a bullet into the ground, and an hour later someone comes over to your bullet sitting on the ground, kneels down, bangs their head on the bullet, and then claims you shot them.

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  65. You do own your software...mostly by bdwoolman · · Score: 1
    No matter what the license says you own your software to a greater or lesser extent because of the doctrine of first sale. Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

    IANAL but this is interesting. It explains (at least to my mind) why companies like DRM, because there really needs to be a technical fence around their property since the plain old EULA is founded on legal quicksand. This also seems to me to explain why the DMCA was so sought after, because now if there is a lock then you can't break it to exercise your first sale rights. DMCA is, for the time being, a good counter to rights under first sale, but clearly conflicts with them. However, I do not think that the DMCA has come up in a Supreme Court challange where first sale, which is a strong principle, has been used as a defence.

    Talk about a gray area! Can I sell you a suitcase with a locked compartment and tell you you can use the unlocked space, but that if you break the locked part and use it you go to jail? I don't think so. First sale is why you can resell your old software on Ebay (provided you have deleted it from your HDD since duplication to another person is a right held by the copyright holder.)

    There is a lot of room for argument to be sure, and at least from the Wikipedia article the case law is all over the place, but it is pretty clear (at least to me) that you own your software to some degree. The publishers, however, would prefer that you think otherwise.

    As for testing your right to test the lock. Well, legally you might be on solid ground. However you better have some deep pockets on your side to stave off the legal onslaught when you go public.

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  66. Thank god for the primary process!!! by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 3, Funny

    *does a jig with two thumbs up*

    *stabs self in eyes with thumbs*

    JAZZ HANDS!

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  67. Dissecting Windows by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

    Find a way to tie an onscreen display to a process.

    Start up a few MS-Word docs and begin recursively copying and pasting text, start with an initial block at least 512 bytes long. Try to fill up at least one MS-Word document to the point where the error message indicates that one has reached the maximum number of pages for an MS-Word document. At this point the contents of the buffer should be sufficiently large to keep all future processes well occupied.

    Open a few more MS-Word documents and keep pasting.

    Open a few PP presentations and keep pasting the contents of the (eventually enormous) buffer anywhere possible.

    Make liberal use of the Windows and alt-tab to switch between processes and check to see which ones are alive. Try to single out a Word or PP presentation which are locked and give them an alt-f4 while switching to a (technically) still good process and issuing a few ctrl+n strikes.

    Eventually you'll be able to get an onscreen benchmark of how much memory a process currently has protected because, under heavy buffer (copy/paste) load, Windows doesn't draw onscreen all that well anymore.

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  68. Re:1st is to realize credit is ove . by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

    > Proudly signing your full legal name is what distinguishes researchers from hackers

    Except, in today's world, that's also makes the person signing their full name a convenient target for knee-jerkers.

    And there are some very wealthy, very bored, and very socially powerful knee-jerkers.

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  69. No-one's crushed anything by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    This Canadian fellow "is now quite nervous" not "has had his freedom crushed".

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  70. Alex Ionescu to speak at SCALE 5x by MrMorph · · Score: 1

    Alex will be speaking on the first day of the 5th annual Southern California Linux Expo which will be taking place February 9th and 10th. Alex will be speaking about how to bridge the gap between Windows and Open Source using ReactOS. If you use the promotional code SLASH, you will receive a 40% discount off a full priced ticket.

  71. second class by WeeBit · · Score: 1

    just shows you how Microsoft feels about software vendors, and the consumer. By giving them second class software, or no means to run their own software business high class to the consumers.

    And... So sweet of someone to crack DRM open for the so called second class citizens everywhere.

    *Weebit moons Microsoft*

    Weebit curtsies Alex Ionescu

    You did crack it right? (insert grin here)
  72. Alex should release it anonymosly. by liftphreaker · · Score: 1

    The guy should just do what muslix64 did. He should release this stuff a anonymosly on some forums and post his code on megaupload or some place like that. So screw the {MP|RI}AA and the messed up US legal system.

  73. Re:Is it illegal for me to have someone check safe by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1
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  74. Re:Advocatus Billgati by PaladinAlpha · · Score: 1

    Assuming GoDaddy had a set of pages, and ALL of them used Apache, that means they selected Apache on MERIT and that those numbers reflect HONEST Apache market share by WILLING CONSUMERS. If trivial (unused) pages were switched to IIS with no intention of them being ever used, then yeah, that's dishonest where the Apache use wasn't. Why the hell would they park with IIS and host with Apache? C'mon, now. It's garbage.

    "Artificially Inflated" implies here that the totals are being inflated by products not in use. Using the same product for ALL your pages is natural (see: not artificial). This IIS swapover payoff is as artificial as it gets.

  75. DRM is difficult. by rew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Standard encryption is easy. Keep your keys safe from the bad guys and as long as you use a reasonable encryption, things are fine.

    DRM is difficult: You have to give the end user the keys, and then trust that only the uses that you've prescribed are allowed. Giving the keys to the end user is stupid, so the keys are given ONLY to a trusted module inside the end users machine. That trusted module is supposed to A) keep the keys secret, and B) enforce the rules that accompany the key. (e.g. you rented this for a week and a week has gone by).

    If you have a general purpose computer, it's very difficult to have a trusted software module that can't be cracked somewhere inside.

    In the backup-hddvd case, examining the core of the userspace program revealed volume and title keys. But the "master keys" are still somewhere inside.

    In this case the operating systems trusted platform that should prevent that kind of tricks has been broken. Now you can insert your own debugger into the trusted core, and examine other stuff inside the trusted platform. Or you can claim to be a trusted driver, who has to have access to the unencrypted HD content.

    In any case, as long as there is no hardware trusted module, it is always possible to run a good enough simulation, and run the DRM software under the simulation in a virtual machine.

    And even if you DO have a hardare DRM module, I don't think it's possible to get right if you have a passive element on one side. For example a HDDVD is passive. So it can't verify the other side, and only give up the keys if it has confirmed the other side to be a trusted DRM module.

  76. Actually he didn't do ANYTHING by LO0G · · Score: 1

    Did ANYONE actually READ the article?

    What he's said he's accomplished (with the use of a flag that disables PatchGuard) is to get code loaded into the operating system image that isn't associated with a driver.

    That's it. From there, he extrapolates that he would be able to beat the protected media code in Windows.

    But he's not actually done it. In fact, he's not played any hi-def content with his code loaded into the OS, neither has he used his code to pull the unencrypted samples from the video and audio drivers (this is NOT as easy as it sounds).

    What he's saying is that IF the only thing that's done with PMP is to check the list of drivers, then it would be POSSIBLE to break the DRM system. But it relies on his technique to get code in the kernel, and that technique in turn relies on someone else breaking the PatchGuard system.

    But it's a WAY better headline to say that DRM's been cracked, especially on the day of the Vista roll-out.

    Personally, I'll wait until I see the proof-of-concept.

    1. Re:Actually he didn't do ANYTHING by moyix · · Score: 1

      PatchGuard is already broken. Go read Skape and Skywing's article in Uninformed. For what it's worth, Ionescu's post mentions this explicitly.

  77. Re:Fight the power! by drsmithy · · Score: 1

    Imagine how pissed I would be if I couldn't watch them at native resolution because according to Microsoft I had the wrong connector.

    Microsoft are not making that decision. The publisher of the movies and, possibly, the developer of the player application are.

  78. Re:Manna from heaven. by drsmithy · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that Microsoft needs someone to publish this sort of exploit. Vista would appear to be going nowhere in the market with the DRM mill-stone around its neck.

    What makes you say that ? Outside of hysterical, mostly ill-informed posters on Slashdot (and their ilk), the knowledge of - let alone concern about - DRM in Vista is vanishingly small.

  79. What are those anonymity tools!! by freakxx · · Score: 1
    (By definition, if it's truly anonymous, they can't catch you; there are lots of ways to basically ensure your anonymity today.)

    So, could you (or anyone else) please point out what are such tools in Linux. I am really willing to know!

    1. Re:What are those anonymity tools!! by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Ummm...

      Usenet, available to Linux users

      Anonymous mail drops, available to Linux users

      Tor network, available to Linux users

      Powerful encryption mechanisms, available to Linux users

      "Live" OS CDs that let you use a PC without leaving any data behind at all, available EXCLUSIVELY to Linux users

      What else do you need?

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  80. The tools. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Starting off from a Linux LiveCD, as other people have suggested, would be the starting point.

    Then you could send email using Mixmaster (only catch is you'd have to make sure it was installed on your Linux CD, and I'm not sure if it's there by default on Knoppix, so you might have to master a new image). You can also use it for anonymous Usenet posting, and in conjunction with nym servers, although I don't know if that's as secure as straightforward anonymous email. Here is a tutorial on using Mixmaster, though it's quite simple to use once you have it installed.

    As a reply channel, rather than nym addresses, I'd suggest telling the recipient to post some sort of message to a public Usenet group, that you could read through a public interface (like Google Groups). This is basically the 21st century equivalent of telling someone to reply by posting a personal ad in the newspaper; you're making them publish it widely, and then reading it through channels available to anyone.

    Then you could respond via mixmaster (with different remailers each time, keeping with ones located outside the U.S.).

    It wouldn't be something you'd want to do for any great length of time; if you were taunting the NSA, they'd probably be able to compromise the mixmaster network eventually (by sending people with guns and rubber hoses to the operators of every remailer in the system, hijacking them, and performing traffic analysis), but it would certainly be beyond the resources of even a large corporation (unless you believe Microsoft has private death squads at its disposal, in which case maybe you're better just not publishing at all).

    Quite a few very intelligent people have spent a lot of time and effort creating anonymity systems for just this sort of use; while nothing is foolproof against an adversary who can control the entire network and monitor every packet and every internet-connected system, all the time, modern systems exist that would probably provide a good challenge even to most government agencies.

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    1. Re:The tools. by freakxx · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your detailed response. However, I still have some doubts. lets assume that I posted something at Usenet anonymously. Administrators of the Usenet server, however, would still be logging IP Address, "MAC Address of the hardware" etc. on their server machine and if something too bad happens to, say, M$oft and the Usenet would be forced to share those logged data by law implementation authorities and that is why it still seems to be possible to track(logged data---->ISP provider---->IP/MAC address----->user) and screw the fellow who posted the post of the issue. Isn't there any foolproof way??

      I will look into mixmaster and TOR, however, to see what are the things it has to offer :-)

  81. The BIG Question?!?!?!?!!? by twebb72 · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know, what, if any, implications does this have on CableCard functionality with Vista MCE? This question is on the forefront for myself; desperately want to build my own Vista HD CableCard ready machine!!!!!