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Wired's 2007 Vaporware Awards

Braedley sends word that Wired's annual vaporware list is up, and a number of products this community has discussed made the cut. The top spot, the position of most dishonor, was almost a foregone conclusion. "Another December, another list, another crowning achievement by the Emperor of the Ethereal, the Head Honcho of Hype, Duke Nukem Forever. We were going to disqualify him out of pity, but Sir Duke is back for 2007 thanks to a few leaked screenshots and an overwhelming number of votes. DNF creators 3D Realms even chose this week to debut a well-publicized video trailer for Duke's long-awaited return. Alas, a trailer is not a game, so — long live the king!"

195 comments

  1. Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've been playing a beta of DNF for a few weeks now I got from an insider and it is fucking awesome. According to my sources, it will be ready to ship to stores in mid-February. Hail to the king baby!

    1. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      My GFs brothers mail carrier has a neighbor... Her nannies geeky half cousin (twice removed) says that his boy who is 'deep in the scene' (As he put it) talked to the aunt of one of the programmers mom who says that it won't be ready until at least December. Guess you need to recheck your insider.

    2. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mid-February????

      I thought it was common knowledge the ship date will be April 1st. We just don't know which year.

      [And, wow, if they did ship April 1 it would be one damned confusing day!]

    3. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The actual date will probably be late February, i suspect it will be February 30th.

    4. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Library+Spoff · · Score: 1

      Yeah but what scene?
      Is that a DNF neckerchief he wears in his back left pocket?

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    5. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Pahroza · · Score: 1

      What're you waiting for? Christmas?

    6. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lair!! And I can prove it! You post on Slashdot AND say you got a GF! :)

    7. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Economics Teacher: Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Simone: Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. Economics Teacher: Thank you, Simone Simone: No problem whatsoever.

    8. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Cally · · Score: 1

      Your claim fails with the very first link in the chain.

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    9. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My source tells me maybe next Christmas. As far as I know there is no beta yet, but the game is somewhat playable. I think there's quite a bit of work left on the maps. I asked why it's been taking so long and she told me that it just keeps getting delayed for other projects. Apparently, 3D Realms makes quite a few other games, although I can't think of a single one off the top of my head. Other times requirements change at the last minute. Supposedly, they've been close to a release on more than one occasion and someone comes along and wants everything changed around. Basically, it sounds like the average software project. Some of the employees have another theory, though. The rumor is that the owner of 3D Realms promised his girlfriend they'd get married once they got the game out the door. Nine years later... I did hear another story that I got a kick out of. One of the developers was in GameStop and dropped his flash drive. He actually had a playable build on there. The nosy clerk asks him what he's got on there. The developer says to him, "you wouldn't believe me even if I told you."

    10. Re:Duke Nukem Forever is in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you Simone.

  2. Wrong direction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, 2007 saw a bunch of high-profile projects climb from "vaporware" to "disappointment": Vista was released widely, OLPC produced a couple of semi-solid deals out of their usual fog of hype, even that Chandler email/PIM thingy managed some sort of alpha release.

    1. Re:Wrong direction... by Applekid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, are you saying that by being true vaporware they can live on in glory in a fictional world? Such that, in non-existance we are spared from the crushing mediocrity of "meh"?

      Truly philosophical.

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    2. Re:Wrong direction... by PinkyDead · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It might have been better for Vista if it had remained vaporware.

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    3. Re:Wrong direction... by GungaDan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't leave out Barcelona and Phenom! They deserve a dishonorable mention here. Or maybe their own award. We could call it a "Hector."

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    4. Re:Wrong direction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Absolutely, that was my point! Look at HURD/HIRD. It has a stupid geek-clever name, an ideologically pure license, an academically elegant design and no users. If it ever passed into use by anyone sane, it'd be just some other useless OS.

    5. Re:Wrong direction... by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OLPC produced a couple of semi-solid deals out of their usual fog of hype

      The project was only announced in 2005! How can they have a "usual fog of hype"? Isn't two years to bring something like that to fruition pretty damn reasonable?

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    6. Re:Wrong direction... by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It also saw Team Fortress 2 released. A game that has been in development much longer than Daikatana was, has seen complete rewrites, and would be the vaporware joke everyone knew about if it wasn't for DNF.

      Not only did the game come out, it's fantastic. It keeps the great feel, has beautiful graphics that are nicely stylized, and works very well. It could use more maps (they're working on it), and the classes do feel very different as part of the balancing, but it's a great game overall.

      Every once in a while, a game rises from the miasma of vaporware and is good. That has now happened once this century, which means that DNF is dead.

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    7. Re:Wrong direction... by TenBrothers · · Score: 1

      Two years is reasonable when you aren't constantly disclosing how well the project is doing, and trying to muscle in public announcements of massive sales to countries. Those are things you do after you've got a quality alpha.

  3. Re:All I can say is by Zebadias · · Score: 1

    Steal you mean!

  4. On Purpose? by Vthornheart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe they keep releasing Duke Nukem screenshots on occasion as some kind of a running gag? I guess the real joke's on Duke Nukem fans in that case. =)

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    1. Re:On Purpose? by Ngarrang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Realistic Duke Nukem fans have long accepted that DNF is only theory. Crazy DN fans continue to believe that DNF will be released. I am happy with DN3D on DOS.

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    2. Re:On Purpose? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Maybe they keep releasing Duke Nukem screenshots on occasion as some kind of a running gag? I guess the real joke's on Duke Nukem fans in that case. =) That's fine. The hardware that originally ran Duke Nuke'em is already fossilizing. The true fans will eventually die off in old age, as well.
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    3. Re:On Purpose? by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      Yes, Right now we can see them reliving their DN3D glory days in the depends aisle at the grocery store.

      Trust me - it's not something you want to see, or accidentally glance at.

      Fortunately, not much longer to go.

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    4. Re:On Purpose? by lonesome_coder · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum...but my dentures can't handle bubblegum.

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    5. Re:On Purpose? by DeeQ · · Score: 1

      All I can say in reponse to this is thats the way I used to think. And then how many years later blizard annouces it actually is going to make sc2. It just goes to show you that it might happen.

    6. Re:On Purpose? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Why use DOS? You can play the game at modern resolutions. It's fun :)

    7. Re:On Purpose? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      So use new hardware to play the classic game. It's still more fun than a lot of FPS's.

    8. Re:On Purpose? by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      Except, of course, that 3D Realms (or whoever owns it now) has also announced that it is actually going to make Duke Nukem Forever.

    9. Re:On Purpose? by ydra2 · · Score: 1

      Only modded 2? Maybe some readers didn't get it.

      Except, of course, that 3D Realms (or whoever owns it now) has also announced that it is actually going to make Duke Nukem Forever and ever and ever!

    10. Re:On Purpose? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Yeah, secretly, what they're really working on, is the next game in the Commander Keen series.

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    11. Re:On Purpose? by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum...but my dentures can't handle bubblegum.
      And the occasional rupturing incontinence retention device can sour the mood of a good ass kicking.
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  5. Wired?? Irrelevant Relic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Who the hell still actually reads or cares what Wired has to say about anything?

    1. Re:Wired?? Irrelevant Relic by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      Why you dissing Wired??
      Why, just the other day, they had a funny and well-written piece on alternative santas: http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/commentary/alttext/2007/12/alttext_1219

    2. Re:Wired?? Irrelevant Relic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lore is a god.

  6. Diablo III by Uthic · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't see how this is so much 'vaporware' as 'what people would really like'. Blizzard hasn't made an announcement or even a hint that they're making it, after all. And boy, do I hate seeing the list one item at a time.

    1. Re:Diablo III by Enry · · Score: 1

      It was released. It got called 'Titan Quest'.

    2. Re:Diablo III by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Half the things on that list were only announced this year, and AFAIK the release was always 08. Why does that make it vaporware?

    3. Re:Diablo III by roadkill_cr · · Score: 1

      It's legit, along with "the machine that prints gold" that I hear everyone wants. No one knows who is making it or if it even exists, but it's totally vaporware.

    4. Re:Diablo III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And boy, do I hate seeing the list one item at a time.


      Firefox + Repagination plugin. The resulting page is a bit uglier, but it's much easier to navigate.
    5. Re:Diablo III by morari · · Score: 1
      Titan Quest was pretty darn good! Unfortunately, the formula was a little more confined than Diablo. The levels were rather linear and there certainly wasn't as much gear to possibly collect. That said, I really liked the game and was mesmerized at the swaying, overgrown grass for a good while. I did feel that the later environments were a tad out of place however. There is so, so much that one can do with a Greco-Roman world that there really wasn't much need to shift emphasis toward Egypt, China, and Babylon.

      I still haven't gotten around to installing the expansion pack. :(

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    6. Re:Diablo III by Enry · · Score: 1

      Immortal Throne adds a lot, even to the base game. I haven't had a problem with drops or gear. I have been noticing that it's a lot more fun playing multiplayer over playing by yourself, since you can have multiple people with different skills help out. Areas that used to be a problem for me (Cyclops for one) for a single character were really easy once we had three people.

    7. Re:Diablo III by ne0n · · Score: 1

      10. Steorn Orbo - perpetual motion machine.
       
      9. Tesla Roadster - electric car
       
      8. 802.11n
       
      7. Diablo III
       
      6. Windows Mobile 6 for Samsung BlackJack - increasingly irrelevant OS for a crappy phone
       
      5. Windows XP Service Pack 3 - wtf.
       
      4. Optimus Maximus - OLED art piece for the affluent
       
      3. Chinese Democracy - G'n'R album scheduled to arrive after Americans get their freedoms back
       
      2. Spore - the Sims Evolve
       
        1. Duke Nukem Forever - w00t.

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  7. Diablo III? by cenice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can an unannounced product be vaporware?

    1. Re:Diablo III? by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      But... but! Blizzard made a mysterious job posting!

    2. Re:Diablo III? by Teese · · Score: 1

      Don't you have work todo on your own vaporware?

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    3. Re:Diablo III? by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1, Insightful

      When its released by a company that now relies almost solely on sequels and franchises to the extent that they need no announcement?

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    4. Re:Diablo III? by DarthJohn · · Score: 1
      And they said that last year they gave 802.11n a pass:

      IEEE, held firm that nothing would be finalized until January 2007, so 802.11n got a pass. No broken promise, no award.

      Then again... it is just another top X of Y for the year list.

  8. GNR? by TofuMatt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chinese Democracy has been vaporware for what, eight years now? And is anyone really looking forward to it anyway?

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    1. Re:GNR? by Uthic · · Score: 1

      I admit when I first saw that headline, I thought they were being cute about actual democracy in China or something.

    2. Re:GNR? by darkrowan · · Score: 5, Funny

      The way that album is going, China *WILL* be a democracy when it is finally released.

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    3. Re:GNR? by catxk · · Score: 1

      God, that joke seems older than my C64.

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    4. Re:GNR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read the title again - it's for 2007.

    5. Re:GNR? by mewsenews · · Score: 1

      Axl has been touring in support of this album since approx 2003. Most people who have seen the shows will tell you the new songs are actually quite good.

      I'd love to hear the album if it ever sees the light of day. It seems Axl has some bizarre legal issues keeping him from putting it out there.

    6. Re:GNR? by dave-tx · · Score: 1

      Meh. I heard some of the "leaked" mp3 tracks, and....they pretty much thoroughly sucked.

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    7. Re:GNR? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Much like Duke Nukem... by the time Chinese Democracy comes out... China will be a democracy...

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  9. DNF of course by justkarl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why don't they just give the Duke the Vaporware Lifetime Achievement Award so we can carry on with our lives...

    1. Re:DNF of course by ari_j · · Score: 1

      I thought that they already had. That makes this most recent award all the more meaningful.

    2. Re:DNF of course by Tridus · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did. Unfortunately the list is decided by reader votes, and despite getting the lifetime achievement award in the hope that it'd stop getting reader votes, it still topped the list.

      So its back.

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    3. Re:DNF of course by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Speaking of lifetime achievement awards... Isn't Wired a general geek rag?

      I've been waiting a while for DNF, sure. I've been waiting my whole life for my flying car.

      How about ubiquitous mobile Internet access? They're awarding 802.11n but not 802.16 WiMax? 802.16's been around since 1999 and had an approved standard in 2001. 802.11 already works, and most of the draft stuff for 802.11n already works together. 802.11a, b, and g are commonplace. The working group is only a couple of years older, yet we've been using the tech for years now. The 802.11n folks are getting shit for not having the fourth working tech standardized from the 802.11 line while we're still waiting for any semblance of penetration from anything 802.16 has done?

      Realistic-looking VR?

      DVD Audio? SuperAudio CD?

      FTTH?

      LEO satellite phone and internet service?

      Sprayable solar cell arrays?

      Politicians and bureaucrats who aren't complete tech outsiders?

    4. Re:DNF of course by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > How about ubiquitous mobile Internet access?

      Show me a cell phone that doesn't have internet.

      > DVD Audio? SuperAudio CD?

      They shipped fine. Market failures are not vapor.

      > FTTH?

      FIOS ring a bell?

      > LEO satellite phone and internet service?

      A small fraction of Iridium might indeed become vapor as this spectacular market failure is de-orbited.

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    5. Re:DNF of course by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Most cell plans offer browsing on the phone itself, but not use as a modem. It's close, I'll give you that.

      DVD Audio and SuperAudio CD shipped a small number of player units, but almost no content was ever available. The companies involved never even marketed it. The players might be a market failure, but the media was mostly a launch abort.

      FiOS is good, if you're with Verizon. It's later than expected and still only one major carrier has it in the US. AT&T's FTTH is still vapor.

      Is service on the Iridium network even available? I know someone bought the $5,000,000,000 network of satellites for $25,000,000. Are they actually giving us a way to buy access through them? Where do I go to shop for that?

    6. Re:DNF of course by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      What are they waiting for? Christmas?

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    7. Re:DNF of course by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Most cell plans offer browsing on the phone itself, but not use as a modem. It's close, I'll give you that.

      They do? I've never heard of one that didn't allow use as a modem.. You must have been on some sucky plans.

      Granted they do have ridiculously small data limits (just a couple of years ago 4Mb/month was commonplace) although that's changing slowly.

    8. Re:DNF of course by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Anything around here that allows you to hook up to a PC is ridiculously expensive and works like crap, and they still reserve the right to mysteriously cap your "unlimited" usage or to bill you extra if you go over that limit. That's the plans that do allow hooking up to a PC at all. Mine, like many, is "unlimited" for the phone, but I still have to pay per kB to hook it to another device and let that use the connection.

      There was a news story not long ago about a guy on a plan like mine in Canada who ran up an $85,000 phone bill because he didn't see the distinction in the fine print. Yahoo, DSL Reports, The Huffington Post, CNet UK, Canada.com, Geek.com, and /.'s own Firehose have had the story, among many other sources.

      I can get Sprint, AT&T, or possibly Verizon (haven't check on their coverage and plans here lately for data) here that will allow me to hook up to my PC for "unlimited" data transfer, but it runs about $100 a month on top of a required voice plan, and although most phones will do it only certain phones or a dedicated cell modem is allowed to have the plan. Sprint says theirs is both "unlimited" and "broadband", but they also say it's not to be used to replace a leased line Internet service. So which is it?

  10. Medison???? by m392 · · Score: 1

    Where's Valdi?

  11. Last Line is wrong... by Erioll · · Score: 3, Informative

    The last line in the summary should be "Hail to the King baby!"

    C'mon! How could they do a homage and NOT have that line?

    1. Re:Last Line is wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do they not have "What are you some bottom feeding scum sucking algae eater?"

      Honestly, there are about 25 great one-liners in Duke. How do you pick one?

      I'll call you later and we'll hook up at 14.4, unless I get my 1337 v34 19200 working!

    2. Re:Last Line is wrong... by gid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe they didn't want to piss off Sam and Ivan Raimi since that line was stolen from Army of Darkness.

    3. Re:Last Line is wrong... by glittalogik · · Score: 1
      My favourite Ash line is still the one from Fist Full of Boomstick:

      Some people are born to use a chainsaw, others have chainsaws thrust upon them.
  12. What?? by Ian+McBeth · · Score: 0

    Where is the Ubisoft game Storm of War: Battle of Britain on that vaporware list?

    It was originally supposed to ship in fall 06, and has been delayed at least 4 times that I know of.

  13. I didn't see Vista onthe list by richardkelleher · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just because they shipped it, doesn't mean it is still not vapor. Microsoft has been proving this for years.

    1. Re:I didn't see Vista onthe list by Machtyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm surprised WinFS wasn't listed. But then again, why beat up on MS more (oh, yeah, because it's fun!).
      Windows Future Storage... it's stored in the future, so you'll have it when you need it...?

    2. Re:I didn't see Vista onthe list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      why beat up on MS more (oh, yeah, because it's fun!).

      Actually, I always thought it was because the pizza delivery boys around here didn't know enough about other tech to have a conversation about anything else.

      Just like that jerk off a few weeks back who got modded up (!!) claiming that Windows XP Pro was a server edition product and that XP Home was what everyone used on desktops.

      There aren't enough people on Slashdot who have a clue about anything to have a full conversation over so we need to have memes to fill in the silence that would normally be time most people take to think before they open their traps and let some stupid shit fall out. This is the same reason the political section is in such high demand around here.

    3. Re:I didn't see Vista onthe list by yourfnmom · · Score: 1

      Personally, I can't wait for Duke Nukem Ultimate Edition. I'm sure it will be released right after Duke Nukem Home Premium, so I'll hold out a bit longer for that.

    4. Re:I didn't see Vista onthe list by damsa · · Score: 1

      The name Vista Aero makes a lot more sense now.

  14. 'Research' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a list of all the academic 'research' that pours more out of press releases than actual real-world implementations? How many 'breakthroughs' are we going to hear about before we actually see something in action?

  15. Neo1973? by lol+slashdot · · Score: 1

    I was unaware of the voting process until after the list came out, but considering the list is comprised of devices that manufacturers and developers say will be coming out EVENTUALLY, what of the end-user version of the Neo1973? First promised in July, then October, then LATE December...and is anyone counting on it coming out late this month? I didn't think so. I wish I could've contributed my vote to the list when I had the chance...not that it may have made a difference.

    1. Re:Neo1973? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earlier this year, one of the senior openmoko/neo1973 s/w devs posted to a forum and basically said that OpenMoko wouldn't be ready for consumer consumption "for some years", so I guess he meant at least until late 2008! One of the problems, IMHO, is that the same arguments and egotistical problems that beset OpenZaurus then propagated into Angstrom and then into OpenMoko, so that they've spent as much time arguing and upsetting key people as actually achieving things - that's not to say individuals haven't worked very hard, but the whole process hasn't been very efficient with duplicated efforts and undoing work done by the other teams.

      As I see it, the only real open source mobile phone solution is the recently GPLd Trolltech product, and it's not a full-featured system (presumably because trolltech don't want to compete with their customers who are mobile manufacturers and want to differentiate their products). Android is only open as far as SDK is concerned, you can't get source code to their entire platform.

  16. Do us a service, go after politicians instead by Shivetya · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I would love to see Wired and the likes list the top ten things promised by politicians and what actually occured.

    Perhaps if people saw more of the crap that government politicians pulled they would stop being distracted by the nonsense crap like what company A or company B failed to deliver.

    Priorities people. This whole Wired! list is like an exercise in futility, it has no effect on your life.

    Going after Blizzard for an unknown game announcement? Why not beat on Warhammer Online? Where is it at?

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    1. Re:Do us a service, go after politicians instead by heckler95 · · Score: 1

      I could understand your complaint if this list were a headliner in Time, but this is Wired we're talking about here. That's like expecting Comedy Central to carry political news shows... oh wait. Nevermind.

    2. Re:Do us a service, go after politicians instead by TheLostSamurai · · Score: 1

      I guess I must have missed it when Wired turned into a political blog rather than a technology news website.

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    3. Re:Do us a service, go after politicians instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you want politics

      Step 1) www.digg.com
      Step 2) vote on Ron Paul
      Step 3) Blame everything on Bush/Cheney and scream for impeachment
      Step 4) ...
      Step 5) Profit

      This is a TECH site. NOT politics. There are plenty of places to bitch about the slime bag snakes that slither their way to the top. After politics, why not introduce a lolcats section, a sports section, etc. There are places elsewhere for that. I for one welcome one of the few communities that has stayed true to its roots and not caved in to crap like politics (Stories about how politics affects tech is a different subject than OMG THEY STOLE THE 2004 ELECTION!!! or Blood for oil bullshit)

      Just as a summary: Fuck politics. Keep that shit outta my nerd paradise. /rant

    4. Re:Do us a service, go after politicians instead by nido · · Score: 1

      Just as a summary: Fuck politics. Keep that shit outta my nerd paradise. /rant There was this thing called a "Housing Bubble", and millions of nerds' parents are now underwater on their houses. That means that the nerds are going to have to move out of the basement to the street when the house gets foreclosed on. Unless your parents' house is paid for in full, this includes you. :) (lol, jk)

      Teh Bubble will resolve itself with a recession. Seeing as how a politician (Bill Clinton) sent much of our technology manufacturing capability to China, I wonder what the technology-obsessed will do when they can't afford to buy their silicon gadgets anymore. Hope you know how to solder...
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    5. Re:Do us a service, go after politicians instead by anthonys_junk · · Score: 1

      ...why not introduce a lolcats section.. Kthxbye!
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  17. Re:All I can say is by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OK, I assume this has been pointed out before, but DNF also stands for "Did not finish", and is used in races to denote the place of a driver who never crossed the finish line.

    When I saw DNF in your post and in a glance-through of the article, I thought you/they were using DNF to denote vaporware status to one of the products until I realized that you (and probably they) were specifically referring to Duke.

    This makes me think that they never planned to finish DNF; this is all just a big joke, right from day one.

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  18. Perpetual Motion Machines by Ngarrang · · Score: 1

    Have the criteria for vaporware sunken so low as to have to include quack technology? People have been hailing perpetual motion machines for centuries. Sure something of more substance could have been #10.

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    1. Re:Perpetual Motion Machines by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure something of more substance could have been #10.

      If it had substance, surely it wouldn't be vapour...

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    2. Re:Perpetual Motion Machines by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      It's determined by reader votes.

    3. Re:Perpetual Motion Machines by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I was going to post that, but you beat me to it. So I'll karma whore in the opposite direction.

      The criteria for a project being vaporware is that it's highly hyped and way past any reasonable and/or announced release date. The fact that the project ignores the laws of physics is neither here nor there.

      Did nobody vote for Last Dangerous Visions? Harlan must be crushed!

    4. Re:Perpetual Motion Machines by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I completely agree that a perpetual motion machine is vaporware. My car can run for miles and miles on vapors and I think this would be an excellent technology to pursue for a perpetual motion machine. Maybe the exhaust vapors can be pumped back into the fuel tank? Someone should really get on that!

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  19. I for one by edittard · · Score: 5, Funny

    I nominate slashdot's new discussion system.

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    1. Re:I for one by jdjbuffalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would be nice to see some changes to it. I was using it for several months until they changed it to display only 50 messages at once. I couldn't stand pressing the "More" button 10 times per story so I stopped using it.

      I really don't like the old system after using the new one but I can't stand the 50 message limit. They should make the "50" be adjustable to include 50,100,200,300,400,500,unlimited. While there was certainly problems with their Javascript timing out for big threads it wasn't too bad most of the time. They certainly still have work to do to optimize the code but the adjustable number of messages feature would certainly help in the mean time.

      Hopefully the Taco will see this message and make the adjustment ;-)

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    2. Re:I for one by fbartho · · Score: 1

      I never had that problem [re: 50 limit], as for the javascript timeout I did have that issue, but it was resolved. I do however have the comment settings setup to filter my comments a good deal, so could it be that I only have 50 expanded comments and then many more 1-liners? I track from a highly rated comment and click to have more exposed on the fly if I'm interested.

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    3. Re:I for one by JSlope · · Score: 1

      The biggest feature I would like to see on Slashdot is to be able to see parents of messages, for example I'm viewing a 5 rated post but I can't figure out what he is talking about because the parent is hidden. So it will be great to be able to configure it.

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  20. Time to rename the product by jlowery · · Score: 1

    Duke Nukem For Never?

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    1. Re:Time to rename the product by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I personally enjoy "Duke Nukem (Is Taking) Forever"

    2. Re:Time to rename the product by IdleTime · · Score: 1

      "Duke Nukem Never" is a much better name!

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  21. Re:All I can say is by somersault · · Score: 1

    I was wondering that too just a few days ago.. :( bastards

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  22. Rule of Charlatans by aldheorte · · Score: 1

    Anytime someone is out going on about something that is not working through distribution channels already, it is almost certainly effectively vapor. The more vigorous their demonstration, the more probable the vapor.

    It would be helpful if everyone operated under the rule of do not even tell me about it unless I can have it drop shipped today. Take away their audience, and these charlatans would go away quickly.

    I said a long time ago that the guy making spore should work on his game instead of attending conferences. Guess he should read Slashdot more... oh wait.

    1. Re:Rule of Charlatans by cowscows · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be fair. Will Wright has successfully produced plenty of excellent games. That's not to say that Spore will necessarily be the earth shattering game experience that same people are saying it will, but I think someone like Mr. Wright has at least earned the benefit of the doubt that he'll release a game, and that it'll likely be at least halfway decent.

      For better or worse, you can't just secretly develop a product in a basement somewhere and then suddenly have them lining store shelves the next day. One company that tries really hard to do that is Apple, and they're constantly getting bashed from many directions due to their obsession with secrecy.

      While I'm not making any judgements about you personally, the reality is that consumers as a whole seem to enjoy the hype just as much as the marketing departments do. There are piles of websites dedicated to finding and sharing advanced info, future product hints, and scheming up potential company directions. Any time there's a demand for such information, someone's going to provide it. The fact that that creates an opportunity for cranks and charlatans to scam a few bucks is just a side effect.

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    2. Re:Rule of Charlatans by aldheorte · · Score: 1

      > One company that tries really hard to do that is Apple, and they're constantly getting bashed from many directions due to their obsession with secrecy.

      Apple has more cash on hand than all but a few companies in the world and a loyal if difficult fan base. I would submit this means you can run a business responsibly in this fashion. If consumers want, they can create their own rumors for entertainment.

    3. Re:Rule of Charlatans by Zadaz · · Score: 1

      Spore has been in development since at least 2000. However the first most people heard about it was in 2005 when he gave a talk at a games conference about fractally generated content (as I remember it). Supporting material for this talk came from his (now five year old) project. It wasn't a product announcement, just game development talk. A proper product announcement didn't come out of EA until quite a bit later. Yes, there has been a lot of hype, but it's pretty small in proportion to the amount of development time for the game.

      I said a long time ago that the guy making spore should work on his game instead of attending conferences.

      Why? You seem to have some personal grudge against the guy, but you clearly have no idea the development requirements that an A-list game has. One guy's time is pretty negligible when you have a team of 60 in 4 different departments. What he can do better than anyone is keep demand high so that EA continues to fund the project. Would you rather be buried in hype or would you rather have the game canceled?

      The energy that he generates at a conference is good for the game business. In an industry where risk has become poison and consolidation is rampant, he's one of the voice out there saying refreshing new things.

      He is, for whatever reason, a celebrity and gets called to do interviews. What would you talk about? That project you did 5 years ago on the one you're working on every day? Well, okay. You might very well talk about something old and dull, but I'd talk about that exciting thing that gets me out of bed in the morning.

    4. Re:Rule of Charlatans by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Sure, Apple is an example of a company running that way, but as you said, they're in a unique position of having a bazillion dollars laying around. They're a large enough company with enough resources that they can do almost everything in-house. There are dozens of other factors that make their business style more appropriate for them than for other companies.

      One person/company being successful doing one thing does not mean that all people/companies would work best operating the same way.

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    5. Re:Rule of Charlatans by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that Christmas is more exciting because you know it's coming, rather than just having a tradition of waking up one day to a bunch of presents and some dead tree with lights in the living room? I know that my GF's excitement over a new DS was enhanced with the surprise and the buildup that Christmas allowed for.

    6. Re:Rule of Charlatans by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, because a discussion about how a company develops products is pretty much exactly the same as a discussion about opening presents on christmas morning.

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    7. Re:Rule of Charlatans by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Wow, your christmas mornings must really suck.

    8. Re:Rule of Charlatans by aldheorte · · Score: 1

      "Why? You seem to have some personal grudge against the guy, but you clearly have no idea the development requirements that an A-list game has."

      I don't even know him and it's hard to have a personal grudge against someone you don't know. I'm saying this in a non-personal way. My overriding point is that people waste your time when they go on about vapor ware for the purpose of generating hype.

      With Spore, the technical difficulties of the procedural generation that he was demoing, in the context of making an enjoyable game instead of a good demo or perhaps possible education-ware are very large and apparent to someone with a technical background in related areas. The problem sets to be solved will not be solved by junior designers an developers, and perhaps not even crack designers and developers. What I saw was him taking his focus away from the serious problems and focusing it on hyping Spore at conferences, thereby creating expectations that would be very hard to fulfill instead of tackling the difficult problems and releasing on an unsuspecting world that would then get really excited about it.

      Now, if he was doing this to keep getting funding from EA, my question as an investor would be that his procedural generation demo is very impressive, but where's the game, by which I mean the game, not the technical, mechanic that is really compelling? I would view the hype as being damaging to the ultimate financial success of the game as it was creating unrealistic expectations and would tell him to stop attending conferences and work with his team to get the game mechanic worked out and game done. Also, if it is true that this project started in 2000, I would end it immediately and cut my losses because any software project that takes more than a few years to a workable 1.0 is simply out of control and unlikely to ever succeed.

    9. Re:Rule of Charlatans by Unipuma · · Score: 1

      My guess for Spore is, right now, they are trying to figure out how they can split up the game.
      After all, you wouldn't want to give the gamers everything at once for one price, when you could release it all in 10 expansion packs.

  23. Good news....Bad News.... by StressGuy · · Score: 3, Funny


    Good News: Duke Nukem Forever is finally released and, surprisingly, to overwhelming critical acclaim for innovative game design.

    Bad News: It subsequently gets an "Adults Only" rating and is immediately pulled from the shelves until it can be re-worked into a "Mature" rating.

    Seriously, I think 3D Realms should just admit defeat.....but I'm still holding out for "Redneck Rampage" forever.

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    1. Re:Good news....Bad News.... by Anne+Honime · · Score: 1

      I'm still holding out for "Redneck Rampage" forever. OMG, this game was SO hilarious... thank you for bringing back those good memories, it's so old the name had slipped out of my mind.
    2. Re:Good news....Bad News.... by Howserx · · Score: 1

      They changed it to a TV show instead It's called "FOX News"

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  24. Long live the king! by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

    I think what they *meant* to say was "Hail to the king, baby!"

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  25. List is dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I guess that's what happens when you have to round out to a full 10.

    First of all, why is XP Service Pack 3 on there? Everything it will include you can ALREADY get via Windows Update.

    Second, as has been noted, Diablo 3 was never announced. So why didn't they just make the list 100 vaporwares, and put on stuff like a sequel to Pac-Man, a new Atari console, and a remake of "On the Waterfront"? If you don't need to ground your selections to reality, the sky's the limit baby!

    1. Re:List is dumb by PitaBred · · Score: 1
      Actually, no. According to Microsoft:

      This is the self-extracting executable that contains the update package for Windows® XP Service Pack 3. Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released updates for the operating system. This update also includes a small number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change customers' experience with the operating system.
  26. Re:All I can say is by Ogive17 · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know it's a bad omen when the initials for your game "DNF" is construed as "Did Not Finish" in the racing world. Maybe it really should be DNS (duke nukem someday).

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  27. Horrible Article by Cornflake917 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I didn't know vaporware meant "software/hardware that has a delayed release date" or "software that will probably be made but hasn't been announced yet." I don't understand how you can mention Diablo III in a vaporware list and not mention Starcraft: Ghost.

    The article was also way off on how the Spore multiplayer will supposedly work. You're not going to be able to directly compete with other people's races. The computer-controlled races will be based off a global database of races that other players upload their race information to. This is barely more "multiplayer" then a global high score list.

    1. Re:Horrible Article by wolfemi1 · · Score: 1

      Matter of fact, I think Will Wright called it a "Massively Singleplayer Online Game".

    2. Re:Horrible Article by andy9701 · · Score: 1

      I didn't know vaporware meant "software/hardware that has a delayed release date" or "software that will probably be made but hasn't been announced yet." I don't understand how you can mention Diablo III in a vaporware list and not mention Starcraft: Ghost.


      While I agree that Diablo III doesn't belong on the list since it hasn't been announced, I don't think that Starcraft: Ghost does, either. I seem to recall Blizzard officially shelving/canceling it a year or two ago, so they have no plans to ship it. To me, that means it isn't vaporware since Blizzard officially said, "no, we're never going to ship this".
    3. Re:Horrible Article by oberondarksoul · · Score: 1

      I don't see how they can even mention Diablo III with a straight face. How can it count as vapourware when it's never been officially announced by Blizzard? Meanwhile, I thought Starcraft: Ghost had been officially put on "permanent hiatus", or in other words, cancelled?

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  28. WM6 on the Blackjack by bmfs · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's odd... in Europe I installed the WM6 upgrade for the Blackjack (SGH-i600 in these parts) ages ago.

    http://www.samsungmobile.com/promotion/i600/index.jsp

    1. Re:WM6 on the Blackjack by Trashman · · Score: 1

      The European i600 is not the same device as the North American i607 "Blackjack." In addition to having Wifi radio ripped out (at the request of at&t,) the i607 is different enough that any attempts as flashing the i600 ROM on the i607 will brick the phone.

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  29. Re:All I can say is by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    DNS already stands for something. It's to do with warehousing facilities for deceased persons of African origin, I think.

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  30. Re:All I can say is by evwah · · Score: 4, Informative
  31. Re:All I can say is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't "Get" Bruce to do the vocals to begin with.

  32. Chinese Democracy by SamP2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Chinese Democracy has been vaporware for 96 years and counting. The first beta was delivered in 1911, but numerous bugs caused it to eventually crash. Then they shipped another version for a completely different platform in 1949, but critics complain that it doesn't really deliver what was promised, and thus is vaporware. They tried to apply a major service pack in 1989, but it failed due to Insufficient Privileges error. Will the real version ever ship? Maybe, but I'm keeping my money on Duke.

    1. Re:Chinese Democracy by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 2

      I think you're missing the fact that the 1949 version was so widely deployed that once Chinese Democracy was actually delivered in 1996, only a very small userbase remained to adopt it.

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  33. Re:All I can say is by jimbojw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sssssshhhhhhhhh, they might hear you.

  34. Slingcatcher! by SpzToid · · Score: 1

    The premise is simple: instead of streaming your TV across the 'net to PCs (as with the SlingBox), the SlingCatcher does the opposite by streaming your PC's videos to the TV. The SlingCatcher is expected to retail for under $200 some time in the middle of 2007; it will come with HDMI and component connectors and will feature both WiFi and Ethernet for connectivity.
    --Ars Technica

    I voted at Wired for Slingcatcher, but I guess I'm the only one.

    http://us.slingmedia.com/object/io_1168286861787.html -- the original press release is still online.

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    1. Re:Slingcatcher! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Similar to the Slingcatcher, but more mainstream, was the Sony Locationfree BOX-TV device.
      It was to be hooked up to any TV or monitor, and would allow reception of TV from your base station to anywhere (with enough bandwidth). The base stations were made, and can be used with computers to receive the signal (much like the slingbox), but the promised BOX-TV never made it.

      I pre-ordered one when buying my base station in 2006, but the release was pushed back, twice, and eventually I got an email last summer saying it was not available. Hell, if it wasn't for the promise of the BOX-TV, I would never have bought the base station in the first place either!

      To add insult to the injury, although we can use the Locationfree receiver software to watch TV on our computers (as long as they run Windows), we can only do so on one PC at a time. That the base station isn't powerful enough to send out multiple streams is excusable, but that it doesn't support multicasting is not. This would have been a perfect application for multicasting.

      (And to you naysayers who feel like jumping in saying that I should have bought a Slingbox instead of a Sony LocationFree, no, Sling hadn't announced any TV receivers by the time I ordered this. It wasn't in the running.)

    2. Re:Slingcatcher! by Salamande · · Score: 1
      To be fair, you can also use the LocationFree box with the Playstation Portable. It actually works pretty well, too.

      So it's not entirely useless.

    3. Re:Slingcatcher! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      True, and since the elves brought me a PSP for yule this year[1], I got to try it out. Works pretty well -- the only real caveat is the before mentioned lack of multicasting, so if my wife watches something on her laptop, I can't watch anything -- not even the same program. Multicasting would have been a Good Thing here, and quite easy to implement too.

      [1]: Unfortunately not the blood red japanese model, but I shan't look a gift horse in the mouth. It's still a pretty cool device, with two MIPS CPU's, each one faster than the MIPS CPU in my O2 workstation. They must sell these things at a loss.

  35. Good marketing ploy? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1)Create Duke Nukem
    2)Make big fuss over sequal
    3)Don't deliver, but make big deal for next decade
    4)Once DNF is a household name, deliver
    5)Profit!!

    Seriously though, 3D Realms has found a good formula to get its namebrand out. I mean, what gamer hasn't heard of Duke Nukem Forever? It's the most famous non-game in gaming history. Weight for weight, DNF has more name recognition than even probably Halo. It almost behooves them to release it. It will turn every gamer's head 180 with "WTF?! DNF is finally been released!". Even if the game is say 7/10, you can guerentee a lot of copies would be sold just out of name recognition alone.



    1. Re:Good marketing ploy? by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention having a decade of development behind it, the game will seriously kick ass.

      Unless they fuck up something fundamental, you cannot spend a decade working on something to have something so-so at the end.

    2. Re:Good marketing ploy? by British · · Score: 1

      It's BAD name recognition.

      It's like taking a brand new car model and calling it "Yugo". Sure, everyone's heard of Yugo, but it's at the butt of all automotive related jokes.

    3. Re:Good marketing ploy? by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, because that worked so well for Daikatana.

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    4. Re:Good marketing ploy? by crymeph0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless they fuck up something fundamental, you cannot spend a decade working on something to have something so-so at the end.

      Absolutely you can. It's called feature creep, and if left unchecked, not only do you end up with a pig in a dress. You end up with a pig in a bullet-proof dress with wader boots on each hoof, only the hooves have been replaced with knives, so you had to install a sheathing mechanism for the hoof-knives, which requires a motor buried in the pig's ass.

      Then when you deliver the pig to the farmer he's like, "How the hell am I supposed to make bacon out of this pig if it's able to fight back with its hoof-knives, and I can't shoot it because of the bullet-proof dress? And the motor is leaking grease all over the ham meat!"

      Now, would you buy that pig?

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    5. Re:Good marketing ploy? by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      4)Once DNF is a household name, deliver
      Who or what is DNF? Last I heard DNF stood for Did Not Finish.
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    6. Re:Good marketing ploy? by operagost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless they fuck up something fundamental, you cannot spend a decade working on something to have something so-so at the end.
      Yes you can.
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    7. Re:Good marketing ploy? by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that they'd rather cash in on the name recognition from their previous games. The last game came out several years ago, before the first halo was even released. Most hardcore gamers have no tie to the game, and most people who played it are now moved into the casual/sometimes gamer category. I think most studios and publishers would rather cash in on recognition with a good game still being played rather than get negative name recognition with the last game barely remembered.

    8. Re:Good marketing ploy? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      The only problem is, they could've released 5 games in that time period and been making actual money. Further, from the various trailers, it looks like they may have made up to the better part of each of somewhere between one and four additional games without finishing and releasing any of them.

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    9. Re:Good marketing ploy? by Kyokushi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are we talking about Vista here?

    10. Re:Good marketing ploy? by tPassive · · Score: 1

      Now, would you buy that pig?

      Absolutely. How much?
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    11. Re:Good marketing ploy? by genner · · Score: 1

      Dude.... I want that pig!

    12. Re:Good marketing ploy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like that biotech firm is done with the prototype I commissioned.

    13. Re:Good marketing ploy? by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 2, Funny

      so be wary of any man who keeps a bullet proof grease leaking hoof-knife pig farm

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    14. Re:Good marketing ploy? by Buran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Daikatana, anyone?

    15. Re:Good marketing ploy? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Apparently you are not very familiar with game vaporware history. If you were, you would have heard of Daikatana. It turns out that hyping a game for a really long time doesn't necessarily make it successful when you finally do release it. In fact, usually it just turns out to be based on obsolete technology from several years ago, when you started working on it.

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    16. Re:Good marketing ploy? by StressGuy · · Score: 1

      NO....I think he must be one of those "Sub-Genius" critters there.....

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    17. Re:Good marketing ploy? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      It doesn't even need to be feature creep. If things just don't "Gel," especially with the team, then no matter how many times you reset you still can get a mediocre game. They would have just made 5 or 6 mediocre games, and only released the last one.

      Kojima or Miyamoto, I have full faith would put those 10 years to good use. Rotating teams at 3D Realms? ...We'll see.

    18. Re:Good marketing ploy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely you can. It's called feature creep, and if left unchecked, not only do you end up with a pig in a dress. You end up with a pig in a bullet-proof dress with wader boots on each hoof, only the hooves have been replaced with knives, so you had to install a sheathing mechanism for the hoof-knives, which requires a motor buried in the pig's ass.

      It looks like you are trying to kill a pig in a bullet-proof dress with knives for hooves. Cancel or Allow?
    19. Re:Good marketing ploy? by joshsnow · · Score: 1

      Not to mention having a decade of development behind it, the game will seriously kick ass.

      Which game? Not the one the trailor depicts. DNForever could probably have been finished in 2001 and it would have looked like that e3 trailor from around that time. It's been endlessly re-written in a fruitless quest to keep a silly promise to make the Best Game Ever. They had that back in 2001. Then over the years Half Life 2, Doom 3 etc were written and released and so the ante was upped. This latest trailer is more like Duke Nukem 6 pack or Duke Nukem 7 sausages. The next trailer (due 2010) will be claimed as DNF but in reality will be Duke Nukem 8 ball. Duek Nukem 5 Star was lost in translation... :)

    20. Re:Good marketing ploy? by sakasune · · Score: 1

      so be wary of any man who keeps a bullet proof grease leaking hoof-knife pig farm Nice Snatch reference
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    21. Re:Good marketing ploy? by zerkon · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our knife-handed bullet-proof non-bacon-making swine overlords

  36. Re:All I can say is by teknopurge · · Score: 5, Funny

    you mean Jon St. John.

    Kidding aside, everything from that trailer is using the in-game engine. Everything. zero CGI. I don't think people realize this.

    You new fruity console lovers can keep your Master Chef and his queer-eye costume. His food sucks and the only thing he has is a decent story-line. I'll take Duke, a shotgun, pipe bombs and strippers any day of the week.

    Jetpack with pipebombs - the absolute best way to make your opponents squeal like babies.

    Run child, run for your life.....

    He's coming in '08 to kick some ass and chew some bubblegum, and I took his last piece of gum.

    Regards,

  37. Re:All I can say is by FJR1300+Rider · · Score: 1

    In the racing world, DNS means "Did not start". The plot thickens ;-)

  38. Re:All I can say is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    balls balls balls balls of steel

  39. Chevy Volt? by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    Why was a concept car even in consideration for the list (referenced in the Tesla section.) GM says 2010 for production, there's a working prototype, what makes it vapor?

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    1. Re:Chevy Volt? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      For that matter why was the Tesla Roadster mentioned? It has a working model as well. In fact I think they have many working models. This is a startup car company so of course they want to get it right.

    2. Re:Chevy Volt? by savuporo · · Score: 1

      GM says 2010 for production, there's a working prototype,
      Theres nothing like that. The "prototype" you are talking about has nothing of the final car, the entire powertrain is not developed, batteries are not ready by far, and the body styling is far from complete.
      What you saw unveiled was an empty styling shell, moved around by a small DC motor. Its called a "Design concept", its not even close what the final car will look like.
      Take a peek under the hood of this thing here
      You cant call this thing a prototype, its not even a mule, commonly used by the industry to test the components of the car. First mules of Volt are supposed to be on the road sometime early 2008, and they will be based on Malibu. The final car is reportedly closer to Cobalt.

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  40. Misread by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Emperor of the Ethereal

    Somehow (I only caught the last half, and am in the middle of a minor Civ4 obsession) I read that as Ethelred the Unready. Appropriate enough, though.

  41. Duke's photo by EverythingDies · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anybody notice the amount of weight on the bench behind Duke? I think Duke and Barry Bonds hang out. Obviously Duke slaps Barry around for fun, calling him 'Fairy Bonds'.

    picture here

  42. Re:All I can say is by melodraama · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So it would be -- Did Not Start?

  43. We don't BELIEVE... by Notquitecajun · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe if we all got together and BELIEVED hard enough, DNF would appear and we could play it. It exists, we just don't believe in it.

  44. Do they *really* want my opinion? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    Then there is that idiotic Your Opinion Matters popup that keeps coming up. I'm not sure they want to know what I think!

    ...laura

  45. #1: Anything by Google by Phylarr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I would like to nominate the release version of any product made by Google

    Isn't Gmail still in Beta? And didn't it come out 4 years ago? They should be ashamed of the way they announce, release a Beta of, and then ignore and let stagnate every product that they make.

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  46. The Matrix Real World Mod by end15 · · Score: 1

    I would like to ask that someone add The Matrix Real World mod for Max Payne. These guy's have to be in competition with Duke Nuke. The saving grace is that they don't get paid to do their work so they have an excuse. Still by the time it's released Max Payne engine will be so obsolete that operating systems of the future won't even run the game. Alas.

    http://maxpayne.levels4you.com/forum.l4y?do=view&t=114649

    Cheers!

    endxv

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  47. Strike Commander by Jck_Strw · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for Strike Commander from Origin. ...Wait, what? It was released? Damn, I'm getting too old for this kindof lifestyle. /sometimes I feel like Jack T Colton from Romancing the Stone. //"Dammit man, the Doobie Brothers broke up? When did that happen? Shit."

  48. Runner up: The Pinball Factory by CitznFish · · Score: 0

    Australian company "The Pinball Factory" has been taking orders for their vaporware pinball machine, a remake of the classic Williams title "Medieval Madness". For $2500 down you have gotten nothing but 2 years of empty promises and missed shipping dates. (3 missed shipping dates so far!) The company has 1000 down payment sand nothing to show for the 2.5 million they have swindled out of consumers. The only images shown are of parts in boxes and these images have been circulating for 2 years.

    Oh, and we can add their "Croc Hunter" pin to this as well. Another fine vaporware product from The Pinball Factory.

    check out the newsgroup rec.games.pinball for all the gory details of the TPF fiasco.

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  49. Don't forget iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iPhone was rumored for years until it appeared this year. Can hardware count as vaporware?

  50. Re:All I can say is by HAKdragon · · Score: 1

    You new fruity console lovers can keep your Master Chef and his queer-eye costume. His food sucks and the only thing he has is a decent story-line. I'll take Duke, a shotgun, pipe bombs and strippers any day of the week

    ...forgetting that Duke Nukem 3D was ported the the Playstation, N64, and Saturn. (Not to mention the Gameboy Advance.)

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  51. Re:All I can say is by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    Jon St. John is the voice of Duke Nukem.

  52. Re:All I can say is by teknopurge · · Score: 1

    every one of those ports is looked down upon.

  53. Re:#1: Anything by Google by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

    That's a little harsh. Even though they still call GMail beta, they recently added IMAP. That's a pretty big feature enhancement for a web-based mail service. I don't care if they continue to call it beta or not as long as they keep adding useful features.

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  54. Cigar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duke Nukem is smoking a Trinidad Coloniales, a Cuban cigar, in case anyone's interested. Maybe the dev team were busted by the CBP Foreign Currencies guys for smuggling those babies in for "motion capture."

  55. Duke Nukem Explained by BigBlueOx · · Score: 4, Funny

    There seems to be much misinformation here about Duke Nukem Forever.
    Allow me to set the record straight.

    3D Realms is haunted by the ghosts of gamers who died of outrage when they found that Duke Nukem 3-D choked with more than 5 players in multi-player mode and, to appease the spirits, the workers at 3D Realms must continually build Duke Nukem Forever 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, ...well... forever or they will die.

    So far they have kept the spirits at bay.

  56. Availbility by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Availablity seems to be the only key factor determining the entry of a product onto the list.

    For the same reason that Vista weren't mentioned in last year's list (even if it wasn't still sold before 2008, it was made available to some partners in the last days of 2007), Neo1973 can't qualify for the list simply because there are already some older version available for buying, as are some early version of linux system to run on it (although OpenMoko's phone functions aren't stable, and Qtopia is having a couple of problems with power sving). Even the version 2 of the hardware is available to small number of developers (although some minor bugs cause making new revision instead of starting production of higher volumes).

    Otherwise they'll have to accept Vista on current year's list too : the crap Microsoft's selling doesn't correspond to what they promised and near nobody is running it outside some specific communities.

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  57. Re:All I can say is by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    You forgot one thing, did you mean 2008 or 2108? When discussing Duke Nuke em Forever one must be specific.

  58. What about preorders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about all those people who have DNF on preorder? How will they feel if it's all a joke?

    Err, I mean. Hypothetically.

  59. Re:All I can say is by teknopurge · · Score: 1

    You forgot one thing, did you mean 2008 or 2108? When discussing Duke Nuke em Forever one must be specific. I left that door open on purpose!

  60. Wired Publishes A Relevant Article by cyberfunkr · · Score: 1

    That should be #1 bit of Vaporware. Something promised for years but has yet to be delivered.

    I mean, c'mon. How can something that's never been announced be considered vaporware? There is no promise of Diablo III; however there was promises of Starcraft:Ghost and Dungeon Keeper III.

    And because Samsung won't update their phone it's vaporware? Why not say that Windows 98 is vaporware because Microsoft refuses to upgrade it to use IE7? Reason to be upset, sure. Vaporware, no.

    And a perpetual motion machine, isn't vaporware. It's just crackpot.

  61. Fallout 3? by Conanymous+Award · · Score: 1

    I wonder how Fallout 3 didn't make the list. That beast has been in limbo for an eternity, only something like two years shy of Duke Nukem Forever. Now it's supposed to come out in late 2008. We'll see... Maybe Axl Rose manages to bring democracy to China before that.

  62. Re:#1: Anything by Google by teknopurge · · Score: 1

    I don't know about you, but my squirrelmail install has had IMAP account support for about a decade now...

  63. Re:All I can say is by protohiro1 · · Score: 1

    Hmmm..."CGI". That word does not mean what you think it means.

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  64. Re:#1: Anything by Google by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

    SM is an IMAP web front-end, but it provides no IMAP services in and of itself.

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  65. Re:All I can say is by teknopurge · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure it does, but thanks. :)

  66. Annoying by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

    Clicking "Next, Next, Next" and waiting for reload each time is annoying. Much more efficient to put all the 'pages' on one page, so all the pictures and text can load while you are reading the first part, and then merely scroll to read the next. And sure, you can still put ad banners by each section of the story.

  67. Re:All I can say is by McFadden · · Score: 1

    Glad you've clicked. Sooner or later people are going to realize what the "forever" in the title actually refers to.

  68. Seriously, why Duke? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    why are people so harsh with dnf? I say it isn't vaporware, because it's not like 3d realms made a lot of noise about it... they develp it. they admit it's a long time. they admit they made mistakes that set them back years. they say they don't know when they're finished...
    It's not like they said "soon" or "next year" years ago or something.

    I think something is vaporware, when the developer promises a releasedate and can't keep it... which 3d realms doesn't... yes, they take their time - which is their good right... they want it to be perfect when they release it... they don't show much of the progress, which is their good right either... they don't want to spoil your experience... why is this such a big problem for everyone?
    Why do they have to call it "the Emperor of the Ethereal, the Head Honcho of Hype"? WHICH HYPE DAMNIT? It seriously sounds like they HATE 3DR and want them to die a horrible death, just because they didn't release the game at a time that suited the authors! If this is your biggest problem, the GET A FSCKING LIFE!

    I'm waiting patiently for DNF, because I'm sure 3DR does a good job behind their closed doors - some day DNF will be released and it will be awesome - maybe not the graphics, but defenitely the gameplay... and I'm sure of this, because they are the creators of Duke3D, one of the imo greatest and most fun games EVER (I played it for YEARS and I'm still playing it every once in a while - with eDuke32 and the high resolution pack...)

    and now mod me down for I beleive that DNF will come some day and it won't be a miserable failiure
    I must be a stupid moron, who has no clue what he's talking about! you know so much better how DNFs quality will be, right? you even KNOW that DNF will never come, right? And therefore my posting is nonsense and must be modded down!
    I even said "Jehovah" once...

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  69. Re:All I can say is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol@ who ever modded this down for being an idiot since its 100% on topic. Grats for not understanding the topic and trying to mod. Get a life.

  70. The Tesla is not vapor by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    The Tesla is not vapor. I've sat in one of them! A couple of months ago, a friend of mine invited me to tour his RF emmissions testing facility, where he pointed out a room used for testing cars.

    The conversation went like this:

    ME: Cars really need to have EMF tested?

    HIM: Well, apparently with all the new electronics in SUVs manufacturers are worried about interference.

    ME: What kind of SUV will fit under that antenna? My hybrid won't even fit under that thing!

    HIM: A really small one...?

    ME: Are you testing the Tesla?

    HIM: We do not talk about our clients.

    At that point, I learned that my friend has a very bad poker face.

  71. Re:All I can say is by jotok · · Score: 1

    You chose one computer to use for playing games, and other people chose a different computer to play games. Somehow this has something to do with their sexual preferences and masculinity...?

    Are you sure you don't own a PS3?