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Edible Antifreeze For Smoother Ice Cream

holy_calamity writes "Proteins extracted from gelatin can dramatically improve the quality of ice cream by preventing the growth of ice crystals that ruin its texture. Perfect smooth ice cream has ice crystals around 20 microns in size, but slight thawing and refreezing makes them grow and ruins the mouth feel, making it gritty. The new proteins are similar to those in the blood of the snow flea, an insect able to keep active in sub-zero temperatures." Here are the abstract and the full article as published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

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  1. Mmm, Delicious by Courageous · · Score: 4, Funny

    The new proteins are similar to those in the blood of the snow flea,...

    Oh now that sounds delicious! Snow Flea Blood Ice Cream.

    Thank you, Slashdot, for making me not able to eat Ice Cream today.

    *wink*

    C//

    1. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheesh! And here I've been eating Ice Tapeworm Pus Ice Cream like a sucker.

    2. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please STOP killing and disfiguring and horrible-izing my ice-cream (OK - some the words maybe in-appropriate in the context, but you get the idea). I just want a simple ice cream with real milk and not a "high fructose corn syrup, this sure isn't milk or cream but our just goo made to look like it" crap.

      Just check out the ingredients of any modern ice-cream and the you'll see what I mean.

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm. Very different from the goo they sell today

      The same holds for about all the things (at least foodstuffs). Oh, well - so much for progress ...

    3. Re:Mmm, Delicious by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      Thank you, Slashdot, for making me not able to eat Ice Cream today.

      Well, at least there's still Jello. Oops, look at the end of the article:

      "But using gelatin as a source has the advantage of being easy to supply because it is a by-product of the meat and leather industries," says Andrew Wilbey, an ice-cream expert at Reading University, UK.

    4. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the olden days, if they'd have discovered that some olden day ingredient (bat grease, shark lung etc...) made your ice cream all smooth, I bet they'd have used it in a second. It would now be an accepted part of 'good old ice cream'.

      What I'm saying is that new technology need not necessarily be bad. This stuff might be good. Agree with you about most modern ice cream though. The swine.

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    5. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a bit of the Orson Scott Card books that parallel the Ender series (Enders Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets etc) where the main character is critiquing the ice cream of the day (sci fi) compared to the more traditional sorvete's. While the point does stand for a lot of the ultra-processed ICE CREAM(likesubstance) , I always wonder how much is the desire for nostalgia and remembering the treat and the whole affair as opposed to simply the ice cream itself (as Card effectively has the character ponder).

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    6. Re:Mmm, Delicious by illegalcortex · · Score: 4, Informative

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm. Very different from the goo they sell today Just curious, but have you ever tried making it at home NOW? These days they have some pretty spiffy ice cream makers in the $40 range. Here's the one I have:
      http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/product.php?product_id=45&item_id=82&cat_id=10

      It has a sealed bucket filled with some goo with an incredibly low freezing point. You just leave it in the freezer and pull it out when you are ready for ice cream. Put the bucket on the machine and plug it in. You mix up your incredients, which are typically real milk/cream, sugar and a bit of flavoring and dump it in the bucket. Then you turn the machine on. Thirty minutes later, you have ice cream that is already cold enough to eat. MUCH more solid than a lot of the old hand-cranked ones. Stick what you don't eat immediately in a tupperware container in the freezer and finish it at your leisure. Clean up is, as they say, "a breeze."

      Alton Brown did a couple of Good Eats episodes on making ice cream this way. The second one is dedicated to making "premium" style ice cream at home.
    7. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why the hell don't you make it at home now?

      That's just the first in a list of results returned by a cheap search. There are many, many ice cream making machines out there. If you're worried about bisphenol-A from certain types of plastics, or are trying to boycott products from China ... or whatever ... there's probably still some kind of solution out there that will meet your needs. That is, if your post was anything other than a opportunity to moan and whine.

    8. Re:Mmm, Delicious by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Breyer's is about as close as you're going to get even then that's only on their "All Natural" line.

      (Vanilla)
      INGREDIENTS: MILK, CREAM, SUGAR, NATURAL FLAVOR, NATURAL TARA GUM.

      Here is their "Fat Free" Vanilla:

      INGREDIENTS: SKIM MILK, SUGAR, POLYDEXTROSE, CORN SYRUP, MALTODEXTRIN, NATURAL FLAVOR, CREAM, PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOESTERS, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, CELLULOSE GUM, CAROB BEAN GUM, GUAR GUM, CARRAGEENAN, ANNATTO (FOR COLOR), VITAMIN A PALMITATE, ICE STRUCTURING PROTEIN.

    9. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't confuse it with the strawberry!

    10. Re:Mmm, Delicious by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      I tried with one of those that uses the frozen insert and found it full of FAIL. The motor for the thing sits right below the insert and so as the motor begins working and heating up, the heat has to dissipate somewhere and we know what direction heat travels normally. So it'd heat up the insert and ruin any chances of making ice cream even in the winter time when I was making the egg nog ice cream recipe he described. I bought a 4 quart model with the old wooden bucket for the ice and the motor on top instead, and it worked like a charm even in the summer. I have to modify the bucket a bit though cause for some reason they want you to soak it in water for 3 hours so the wood will swell and make a water tight seal, instead of the obvious idea of using a good sealant/liner so the bucket doesn't need any of that.

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    11. Re:Mmm, Delicious by pongo000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just curious, but have you ever tried making it at home NOW? These days they have some pretty spiffy ice cream makers in the $40 range.

      We pass up the fancy-schmancy ice cream makers and make paint-can ice cream:

      1) Fill paint can with ice water/salt
      2) Fill ziplock bag with ice cream ingredients
      3) Ziplock bag into paint can, pound on lid
      4) Let kids play soccer with it
      5) Eat and enjoy!

    12. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Tyger · · Score: 1

      Actually they use it in fat free ice cream. Normally the butterfat in the cream serves the purpose of preventing ice crystal forming, so fat free ice cream traditionally doesn't have a very good mouth feel. This protein is used to replace the chemistry traditionally performed by the fat. It is also worth noting that the protein is synthesized in a lab, not extracted from insects/eels/whatever else that uses it, so it's not like you're eating a bug or something.

      The ice cream in question really isn't that bad. I had some of Breyers fat free creamy ice cream, and it felt and tasted pretty much like a regular ice cream. The antifreeze protein was the very end of the ingredient list, so it's not like they use a whole lot of it.

    13. Re:Mmm, Delicious by beadfulthings · · Score: 1

      Conventional "old-fashioned" wisdom was that the hand-cranked ice cream was always smoother. The motorized churn and dasher turned at a consistent speed throughout the process, while the hand-cranked churn turned more and more slowly as the ice cream thickened and it got more difficult to handle. The idea was that this made for smoother ice cream with fewer crystals. LL Bean has a very intriguing human-powered ice cream maker that looks a bit like a soccer ball with a canister inside. The ball gets filled with salt and ice, the canister holds the ice cream ingredients, and you "roll, pass, or shake" it around for twenty minutes or so until it's ice cream. My experience of handcrafted ice cream is that it's less solid than commercial products, and I prefer it that way.

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    14. Re:Mmm, Delicious by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      "When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm."

      Wow grampaw and I thought I was one of the old farts around here...

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    15. Re:Mmm, Delicious by bendodge · · Score: 1

      Bryers Ice Cream used to be really good with nothing but kitchen ingredients. A few months ago my family noticed that it didn't taste as good as it used to, and turn out that they had added some extra goo ingredient to it. I wrote an absolutely scathing letter to them, but all they did was blather about the ice cream not being kept at the proper temp by distributors and send me a free coupon.

      We have since stopped buying their ice cream, and I guess we'll just have to go back to making our own.

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    16. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Spokehedz · · Score: 1

      Bryers Natural. No fillers. No weird ingredients.

      There are three ingredients on the back of my Vanilla: Cream, Sucrose (sugar) and Vanilla.

      Or, make it yourself as you stated. Buy a good quality ice cream maker, and go nuts. One with a freezable core is better than the ice and rock salt mixture. And the best part: You can make whatever flavors you want.

    17. Re:Mmm, Delicious by DebianDog · · Score: 1

      We have EXCELLENT results with our Cusinart tub machine. The mixture MUST be 40 degrees or less before going into the machine and the machine must be turning when you are pouring it in.

    18. Re:Mmm, Delicious by maxume · · Score: 1

      The most interesting Good Eats ice cream is the one where Avocado is substituted for the cream. Most interesting in the 'what's that like' sense anyway.

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    19. Re:Mmm, Delicious by jbengt · · Score: 2, Informative

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring . . .
      Ha, then yours wouldn't qualify to bear the label "Ice Cream", as milk doesn't have enough fat in it for the FDA.
      Sadly, adding junk processed butterfat type substances could bring it up to standards.

      And as far as snow flea-like food-derived chemicals, they're probably (but not necessarily) better than the propylene glycol that can sometimes be found listed as an ingredient in cheap popsicles, and occasionaly in cheap ice creams.
      The traditional, old-time way of increasing smoothness is to add a bit of egg to the ice cream. I believe lecithin and gums are what are used for that purpose in factory foods.
    20. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Bluesman · · Score: 1

      Screw that, load me up with the fake stuff, please. I like my ingredients mined, not squirted out of some cow.

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    21. Re:Mmm, Delicious by fbjon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's plenty of good ice cream, it's just not the cheapest/most popular stuff.

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    22. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Bluesman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Step 0.5) Remove paint

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    23. Re:Mmm, Delicious by $random_var · · Score: 1

      Yes, the good-ol-days were good, but ice cream that has perfect texture and lasts that way in the freezer is good too. Fresh ice cream is grand, but it loses its texture fairly quickly, especially in the sort of second-rate freezer in a rental house like mine.

    24. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      It costs money. But what the Wal*Mart generation doesn't understand is that sometimes it's worth paying more. Lucky for you though, there are more options now to getting more naturally derived ingredients through specialty stores or even the local supermarket, so you should be able to find something somewhere.

      This interview is apropos to your comment:

      http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200801043

    25. Re:Mmm, Delicious by russotto · · Score: 1

      It is also worth noting that the protein is synthesized in a lab, not extracted from insects/eels/whatever else that uses it, so it's not like you're eating a bug or something.


      Yeah, but if they got it from the insect/eel/whatever, they could still call it "all natural", like locust bean gum, carrageenan, polysorbate 80, etc.

    26. Re:Mmm, Delicious by lpangelrob · · Score: 1

      It's not too hard to make your own ice cream, but homemade or commercially made, there's a lot of science that goes into it.

      The primary problem with homemade ice cream is that it gets very hard (almost as hard as ice) in the freezer. To offset this, you have to put in something that doesn't freeze - fat (think egg yolks), alcohol, sugar, or air. I don't particularly like the taste of alcohol (and it's expensive), sugar and fat make an indulgence even more unhealthy, and not everyone likes an airy ice cream. (Want more? I learned it this morning here. )

      So it's just another option for people who want to make ice cream. I don't see what the big deal is.

    27. Re:Mmm, Delicious by peragrin · · Score: 4, Funny

      no the paint adds color and creamyness, and that sticks to your ribs feeling. Oh and don't forget the nice buzz.

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    28. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      The motorized churn and dasher turned at a consistent speed throughout the process, while the hand-cranked churn turned more and more slowly as the ice cream thickened and it got more difficult to handle.
      Sounds to me like your application requires a constant torque control instead of a constant speed control. You just need to change the appropriate setting in your VFD.

      If technology doesn't solve the problem, then you aren't using enough.
    29. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, so much wondering destroyed by a simple taste test. Real tastes so much better, I only comprehend why they sell the other stuff because they're all cheap bastards.

    30. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

      The same holds for about all the things (at least foodstuffs). Oh, well - so much for progress ...
      Yeah, foodstuffs are one of the classic devolving, uh, things. Dystopian works like 1984, V for Vendetta (the movie anyway), etc, always have a scene where a protagonist eats real chocolate, butter, etc and realize they're getting duped.

      Real chocolate tastes really different from, say, Nestle chocolate, but I have to admit I like both of them about the same, on average.
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    31. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm. Very different from the goo they sell today

      There's nothing stopping you from making ice cream at home. Apparently most people don't care.

    32. Re:Mmm, Delicious by jlarocco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Real tastes so much better, I only comprehend why they sell the other stuff because they're all cheap bastards.

      No, the people buying ice cream are cheap bastards. The ice cream companies don't give a shit either way, they produce what sells. This is an example of people "voting with their wallet".

      If you think "traditional" ice cream is that much better, there's nothing stopping you from starting your own ice cream company.

    33. Re:Mmm, Delicious by deft · · Score: 1

      "When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm. Very different from the goo they sell today"

      I think we all already know that while it sounds great, back when you were young, you had to walk uphill both ways to the supermarket to get all the ingredients.

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    34. Re:Mmm, Delicious by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Even better is you can use dry ice or liquid nitrogen (if you can get a hold of it). best part is you can even mix it right in with the ingredients without having to worry.

    35. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

      If you buy "fat free iceCREAM" you aren't going to get anything natural. Cream is fat, a fact you cannot avoid.

    36. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

      Bingo. You get what you pay for.

    37. Re:Mmm, Delicious by mikechant · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if they got it from the insect/eel/whatever, they could still call it "all natural", like locust bean gum, carrageenan, polysorbate 80, etc.

      Not that you were directly stating that it was, but some folk might think you were implying that locust bean gum had something to do with insects...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locust_bean_gum

    38. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      WHY???

      The best ice cream ever made has always had Anti-freeze in it. this "discovery" is silly. MY Parents always made some fantastic anti freeze icecream and the best you can get at a 5 star resturant also has it in it.

      It's called alcohol. The recipe I have that makes an icecream that makes friends claim it's better than even the best you can buy has a few ounces of Amaretto in it.

      If you dont want to put a tiny bit of booze in your icecream, I think they need to get a life and quit being prudes. It's been known for as long as ice cream has been made that the best has liquor in it.

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    39. Re:Mmm, Delicious by rrkap · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, the high fructose corn syrup is a substitute for sugar. The carogeenan, or guar gum along with the whey is a substitute for milkfat and a stabilizing agent. On the whole, I prefer a ice cream with fewer ingredients, but you do have to put up with a short shelf life compared to ones containing more exotic ingredients. Bryers used to be close to this, but even they add a gum to improve shelf life now.

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    40. Re:Mmm, Delicious by CodeMunch · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm. Very different from the goo they sell today

      Shall I get off your lawn? ;)

    41. Re:Mmm, Delicious by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      its just not the same anymore since they took lead paint of the market though, you're still not getting the old fasioned ice cream

    42. Re:Mmm, Delicious by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Of course the benefit with that, is all the idiots who ate (bat grease, shark lung etc...) would be long dead and they would not be experimenting on us. The modern era is not driven by quality, it is driven by greed, addictive, cheap ingredients and bugger the medium or long term consequences. How ever many die or suffer makes no differences as long as some corporate ass hat can walks away with a ton of profits now and they will grease as many political hands as they need to get away with it.

      Perhaps a more modern test for new ingredients might be to feed them to corporate executives, leading share holders, politicians and their families for several years before the ass hats tried to mislabel it and sneak it into our foods.

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    43. Re:Mmm, Delicious by jamesh · · Score: 1

      As someone who can't have more than a small amount of cheese without feeling quite sick, i'm more than happy if they can find something to replace the milk with. The last time I had any quantity of milk was a small tub of yoghurt just after lunch, and I felt sick for the rest of the day, and bloated and yuck the next day.

      I've found a brand of soy milk that I can tolerate the taste of, and actually quite enjoy it on cereal, but it's not something I like on it's own... soy has a particular taste that i'll probably need another 20 years or so to get used to.

      Some people have commented that if you consume milk regularly then you get used to it. I know i'm less tolerant to milk since I stopped having it, but up until I stopped having milk, i'd feel violently i'll at about 9:15 every morning after having milk on my breakfast, and that went on for years!

      Anyway, I wonder if the same antifreeze would work in non-dairy gelato products... I assume it would.

    44. Re:Mmm, Delicious by operagost · · Score: 1

      You forget to tell us to get off of your lawn.

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    45. Re:Mmm, Delicious by rubah · · Score: 1

      It's not illegal to make it yourself! Yet!

    46. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ICE STRUCTURING PROTEIN

      Isn't that exactly that TFA was about? Looks like similar substances are already known.

    47. Re:Mmm, Delicious by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Have you perhaps considered that dairy products just aren't for you? Non-dairy ice cream sounds like a worse abomination than vegetarian burgers.

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    48. Re:Mmm, Delicious by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm. Very different from the goo they sell today

      The same holds for about all the things (at least foodstuffs). Oh, well - so much for progress ... Then make it yourself.. no-one's stopping you. And stop acting like adding some protein which is in a snow flea is going to make the ice cream taste worse. Didn't you read the summary; it'll make it taste better while still being economical enough to sell.

      Just because it contains a protein taken from a soil bacteria/fish/snow flea doesn't make it taste like a soil bacteria/fish/snow flea. It doesn't mean they have giant vats of snow fleas in a blender which they pour into their ice cream which they distill.
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    49. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Dorceon · · Score: 1

      I have most of a bottle of Midori in my fridge, and you're tempting me to make melon ice cream. Please accept this reply in lieu of mod points.

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    50. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      INGREDIENTS: MILK, CREAM, SUGAR, NATURAL FLAVOR, NATURAL TARA GUM.

      Good step forward, except that "natural flavor" is not really a food product. In fact, it doesn't even say what it is. It is kind of stupid that the most natural ice cream on the shelves in most stores has an ingredient list that doesn't even tell you what all is in it.

      INGREDIENTS: SKIM MILK, SUGAR, POLYDEXTROSE, CORN SYRUP, MALTODEXTRIN, NATURAL FLAVOR, CREAM, PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOESTERS, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, CELLULOSE GUM, CAROB BEAN GUM, GUAR GUM, CARRAGEENAN, ANNATTO (FOR COLOR), VITAMIN A PALMITATE, ICE STRUCTURING PROTEIN.

      Corn syrup is generally considered to contribute much more to obesity than conventional sugar, so it's always ironic that this makes its way into the "fat-free" products

      And maltodextrin is a sweetener which usually has neurotoxins in it as a byproduct of the manufacturing process. Again, enjoy.
    51. Re:Mmm, Delicious by vikstar · · Score: 1

      We pass up the fancy-schmancy ice cream makers and make paint-can ice cream:

      1) Fill paint can with ice water/salt
      2) Fill ziplock bag with ice cream ingredients
      3) Ziplock bag into paint can, pound on lid
      4) Let kids play soccer with it
      5) Eat and enjoy! How do expect kids play soccer with a metal can filled with water? You'd need a Podiatrist and a Pediatrician... I always forget which is which, but in this case I got away with it since both apply :)
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    52. Re:Mmm, Delicious by madcow_bg · · Score: 1

      OMFG!!! Fat free means the icecream, not you ... thet are using corn syrup!!!

    53. Re:Mmm, Delicious by danilo.moret · · Score: 1

      > 1) Fill paint can with ice water/salt
      > 2) Fill ziplock bag with ice cream ingredients
      > 3) Ziplock bag into paint can, pound on lid
      > 4) Let kids play soccer with it
      5) ???
      6) Profit! [citation needed]

      There, fixed.

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    54. Re:Mmm, Delicious by j33pn · · Score: 1

      I agree, the machines are really nice. If you can live with a raw batter, its a really quick process.

      One tip, if you're making cookies and cream ice cream, freeze the cookies first, then you can just break them up in a zip lock with a hammer. If they aren't frozen, the white stuff smears all over, plus the batter freezes better when the cookies are cold.

      2 eggs
      1 teaspoon vanilla
      1 cup sugar
      2 cups cream
      2 cups milk
      12-16 oreos

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    55. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Unfortunate but true. Even Breyer's, one of the last bastions of all natural ice cream with national distribution, has started adulterating their product with emulsifiers and substituting fats (and even claim that "chocolate flavored" chips have "more chocolatey flavor" than real chocolate).

      Aside from homemade and some locally produced products the only brand of ice cream I buy regularly these days is Turkey Hill's All Natural line. Vanilla ice cream made with cream, milk, sugar, vanilla and vanilla beans. How novel!

    56. Re:Mmm, Delicious by TheLink · · Score: 1

      If your body rejects it stop forcing yourself to eat it. Unless you really really like it (before the "violently ill" stuff), in which case I still recommend you only do it once in a while (to let your body recover).

      I find certain dairy products (certain cheeses - not all) give me zits, I think tempeh (which is made of soy) does the same to me too.

      While I do like some cheeses and tempeh, there's plenty of other stuff that I like to eat too :).

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    57. Re:Mmm, Delicious by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker and it was yuumm.

      Just curious, but did you ever check what was in those packs of flavouring agent?
      Also, you were probably eating it immediately after being made. When you keep the home-made kind in the freezer for the day after, it's painful.
      And people have been putting gelatine in ice cream long before anyone from your home made it.

      BTW, the olden-days were notorious for putting all kinds of dangerous shit in their food. At least in the modern day we can more or less trust that additives have been tested and the nasty ones are kept out.
    58. Re:Mmm, Delicious by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      Just as long as you don't confuse "podiatrist" with "pederast."

    59. Re:Mmm, Delicious by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

      Gelatin is made from boiling cows, pigs, horses, etc.
      I'd rather have snow flea blood.

    60. Re:Mmm, Delicious by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      Have you considered that the one you tried was simply a defective unit or an inferior product? Alton Brown lives near Atlanta, AKA "Hot-lanta." Also, I've used my cuisinart one in an un-air conditioned apartment in the heat of summer. Worked like a charm.

    61. Re:Mmm, Delicious by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      As someone who used to be assigned to doing the cranking, I have to say nostalgia tends to inflate how good something used to be. I think the old-fashioned hand cranked ice cream was good when you grew up in a world without access to pints of premium ice cream at 3am. But even in this brave new world, the ice cream I've made with the frozen canister machine is some of the best I've had. Especially when I get to put exactly what I want in it and never have to worry about some ice cream maker discontinuing my favorite selections. I'll take the new-fangled device any day.

    62. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Typoboy · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with soaking wood so it will expand? The pyramids were built that way, and other stuff.

    63. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      [Citation Needed]

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    64. Re:Mmm, Delicious by sootman · · Score: 1

      When I was younger, we made it at home from real milk, sugar and a bit of flavoring agent in a hand-turned ice-cream maker...

      FYI, electric ice cream makers are typically $40-100. I just googled for 'ice cream maker' and the first match was a Cuisinart for $50. All the taste, none of the work! ;-)

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    65. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Satevis · · Score: 1

      I wholeheartedly agree. Lots of foods are getting worse and worse as manufacturers continue to "improve" them. When consumers want food that's made from normal edible ingredients, we end up having to buy at it twice the price from an "organic" store. I feel like some kind of weird fringe hippie walking into those places. What makes it so hard for food manufacturers to sell actual food? Why is there so damn much corn syrup in everything? It's disgusting!

    66. Re:Mmm, Delicious by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Step 2) can be simplified even further. If you ask nicely at your local dairyqueen or icecream place (and select grocery stores) you can purchase Dairygold Softserve Mix. Which is just the milk, sugar, vanilla etc pre-mixed in a carton.

    67. Re:Mmm, Delicious by iphayd · · Score: 1

      Raw Egg.

      Every batch of Homemade Ice Cream I've ever eaten has contained a Raw Egg (technically turning it into frozen custard).

      Best thing for you. Tasty, and builds up a resistance to things that make people sick.

    68. Re:Mmm, Delicious by slashuzer · · Score: 1

      Not really. Most (actually all, I do not know exceptions) of the premium ice-creams available in market are premium simply because of the price, colorful packaging, advertising and branding (expensive==good stuff!). If you study the ingredients they still have oils and "flavors" etc added. Expensive junk is still junk, you just pay more for it and of course it makes more profit to the manufacturers. Looks like DIY/home-made is the only reasonable option left.

    69. Re:Mmm, Delicious by somersault · · Score: 1

      Just reading that comment made me feel Tick.. uh.. sick..

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    70. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 1

      I agree with the removal of high fructose corn syrup and other extremely processed additives, however I don't see a problem with this protein. I think it's just the origins of the product, after all know one complains about adding a fruit extract for flavor and I pretty sure the protein will be synthesized so no worries about getting other blood flee contaminants.

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    71. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Amazing+Proton+Boy · · Score: 1

      Good point.

      Much like the beer of the good old days. Back when beer was made of only pure water, malted barley, hops & yeast... and dried up fish guts. Yep. Somehow somebody figured out that dried fish swim bladders would help clarify beer so they started tossing it in every batch. Not that far off from shark lung. Nowadays we use spun poly filters, works better and is easier on the fish.

    72. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried Tofutti? http://www.tofutti.com/

    73. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      The recipe I have that makes an icecream that makes friends claim it's better than even the best you can buy has a few ounces of Amaretto in it.
      Are you willing to share the recipe, or should I just run with my Amaretto-goes-with-cherry instincts and toss it into the black cherry ice cream I've made before? (basically the Good Eats premium vanilla recipe with a jar of black cherry All Fruit instead of the sugar)

    74. Re:Mmm, Delicious by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      Well, I would consider putting the motor on the bottom to be a defect, of design.

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    75. Re:Mmm, Delicious by Arctic_Panda · · Score: 1

      Sharks don't have lungs...

    76. Re:Mmm, Delicious by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      Except that it works fine except in (apparently) defectively manufactured units. So clearly, it is not a defect. Just because it's not the way you would design it doesn't mean it's broken.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go enjoy some homemade premium ice cream made by an ice cream maker with a motor on the bottom.

  2. Inputdev? by SeanTobin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok,

    Who is the joker that tagged this as inputdev? Am I going to get in trouble at work for searching /. for STDOUT now?

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    1. Re:Inputdev? by tchuladdiass · · Score: 2

      The "inputdev" tag comes up automatically when the spoon icon is attached to the story. My guess is that kdawson picked the spoon icon for this story because spoons go with icecream, not because it is a story about input devices.

  3. Bullshit. by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I *love* those little ice particles in ice cream, they give it a great texture. Game over.

    1. Re:Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok fine, more of this kind of ice cream for the rest of us.

  4. dear submitter: by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    with your headline, you pass science, but you flunk marketing

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    1. Re:dear submitter: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tex, be a man and at least use your own account for your pathetic trolling.

  5. I like the "gritty"... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I like the "gritty" feel of those larger ice crystals, especially in sherbet.

    Maybe I'm weird, but completely smooth ice cream almost tastes like it's melting... Not that it's bad, but I like the variety.

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    1. Re:I like the "gritty"... by Cctoide · · Score: 1

      Heh. Personally, the "gritty" (and watery) taste is what has always turned me off ice cream (except for packaged stuff like Cornetto, ice cream sandwiches, etc.). I always just figured it was just the way ice cream was supposed to taste, and usually waited until it melted before even considering eating it.

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    2. Re:I like the "gritty"... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Sherbet is not ice cream, though. And if cold and gritty is what you want, this is your ticket.

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    3. Re:I like the "gritty"... by kinabrew · · Score: 1

      I know this isn't clever or informative, but I agree completely. I love when ice cream has ice crystals in it.

  6. New GMO Holstein "Freezian" Cows by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just genetically modify the cow to produce this protein in the milk and you have the perfect production process.

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    1. Re:New GMO Holstein "Freezian" Cows by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Even better, we'll have cattle that don't need to be brought in for the winter.

    2. Re:New GMO Holstein "Freezian" Cows by PenguinBob · · Score: 1

      Then we could have frozen ice cream made from real frozen cows!

    3. Re:New GMO Holstein "Freezian" Cows by SharkyTech · · Score: 1

      How about using a virus to insert the gene into my own genome, so it will be produced in every cell of my body, including the brain and I can survive being frozen? Now thats a product! Of course, the "perfect" sized ice-particles for ice-cream are probably still highly unhelpful for the integrity of my cell walls, but one can always hope we'll have a workable system for cryogenics in the future.

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  7. But.... by E1v!$ · · Score: 1

    I LIKE gritty ice cream!

  8. !vegan tag by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 4, Informative
    Whoever tagged this "!vegan" should probably get a lesson in the difference between vegan and vegetarian.

    I assure you that almost no "ice cream" is actually vegan, because it has CREAM (i.e., from milk) in it. So the addition of this gelatin-extract does not change its status as vegan or non-vegan.

    However, !vegetarian would make sense, since gelatin is made from the animal itself, and ice cream does not generally contain any animal parts (as far as I know!).

    p.s. FWIW, I eat animals myself, but think gelatin (ground horse hooves) is kinda gross.

    1. Re:!vegan tag by Rinikusu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorta, not really. Vegan "ice cream" has come a long way over the past few years, from being disgusting "Well, it's sorta like the real thing" to some very passable stuff, usually made from Soy Milk. So, a vegan tagging the article would be quite right in doing so, even though I think a !vegetarian tag would also be more appropriate as you stated. The argument you present, however, is mostly semantics and really "counter-productive" to anything unless you're just bored.

      Leave the vegans alone. They get enough shit with their lives as it is. :)

      (BTW, if you don't like gelatin, try working with agar agar. I've been messing around with some various recipes as I've got a ton of vegan friends and it's working out decently well. It sets up much firmer, so you have to be more careful with it, but once you understand that, it makes a pretty good substitute.)

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    2. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gelatin is not ground horse hooves. It is in fact made from bone and various other animal tissues that are basically soaked in this bath of chemicals (acid?) until just the gelatin part is left. However, it is nonetheless kinda gross and I don't think it's all that healthy to eat in large quantities.

    3. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, I eat animals myself, but think gelatin (ground horse hooves) is kinda gross.

      "Contrary to popular belief, horns and hooves are not commonly used", hotshot!

    4. Re:!vegan tag by sltd · · Score: 1

      They probably meant vegans don't eat ice cream, hence !vegan.

    5. Re:!vegan tag by DaveCBio · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a level 5 vegan. I eat animal products so that other people can't.

    6. Re:!vegan tag by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, testicles, intestines, brain and tongue are fine*, but who in his right mind would eat ground horse hooves?

      The mind boggles

      *All delicacies. Intestines used to make good sausages.

    7. Re:!vegan tag by rhizome · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a level 5 vegan. I eat animal products so that other people can't.

      Level 5 poseur.

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    8. Re:!vegan tag by Bartab · · Score: 1, Informative

      Every animal I eat is a vegetarian.

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    9. Re:!vegan tag by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      There is a surprising lack of standardized levels in the vegan community. I think a committee should be struck to develop and implement standards.

    10. Re:!vegan tag by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      What, no bacon?

    11. Re:!vegan tag by Zombie · · Score: 1
      Every vegetarian I eat is an animal.

      ... or didn't you hear? Vegetarians are better in bed.

    12. Re:!vegan tag by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Have you managed vodka jelly (if you're American, wiki tell me that's gelatin shots) using agar-agar yet? A friend of mine tried it a couple of times, once with vodka and once with absinthe, but it didn't set :-(

      PS: don't read the Production part of the wiki article if you ever want to eat jelly again.

    13. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think "!kosher" is more to the point.

    14. Re:!vegan tag by maxgraphic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gelatin is not (commonly) made from horse hooves.

      "... gelatin is made from by-products of the meat and leather industry, mainly pork skins, pork and cattle bones, or split cattle hides. ... Contrary to popular belief, horns and hooves are not commonly used."

    15. Re:!vegan tag by toetagger · · Score: 1
      I know that gelatin can be made from the spine of cows. This was a big concern when mad cow disease struck the UK. You had to think twice if you wanted to eat your gummy bears or jellos.

      According to this picture found on Wiki 44% of gelatin raw material in pig skin, 28% is Bovine hide, and 27% is bones. That leave 1% for "others".

      So the icecream with its not vegan, nor vegetarian.

    16. Re:!vegan tag by riseoftheindividual · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't the ! a not operator? As in !vegan = NOT Vegan, thus !vegan != vegan.

      That's what I thought anyway. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of the exclamation mark in the beginning?

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    17. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipedia fails it. They're "jello shots" in the US, regardless of what brand you use.

    18. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding Vegans, I was wondering if you could tell me if mothers who are vegan refuse to breast feed their babies out of principle, and if so, what do they use instead for baby formula? Perhaps something soy "milk" based?

    19. Re:!vegan tag by maxume · · Score: 1

      I don't care if people want to eat Vegan or whatever, but I have very little sympathy for the crap *that they put themselves through*. Good for them for actually living their lives in line with their ethics(rather than claiming some principle and ignoring it), but it's really not anybody else's problem.

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    20. Re:!vegan tag by halivar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Feeding babies an exclusive diet of soy milk results in malnutrition. Recently, an Atlanta vegan couple were jailed for negligence when their 6-week-old child died of malnutrition. Anything you feed a baby needs to be heavily fortified, and only breast milk or specially prepared formulas are appropriate.

      In general, a parent should never put their personal dietary preference ahead of the safety and health of their child.

    21. Re:!vegan tag by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The "!vegan" tag WAS indeed silly, because it should really go without saying that soy-based Vegan ice cream isn't going to be putting gelatin in, and vegans ALREADY couldn't eat normal ice cream, so they aren't affected at all by this development. A "!vegetarian" tag would make a lot more sense, because until now vegetarians could reasonably assume there are no animal products in ice cream. (Although I'm not sure that they'd be manufacturing these proteins out of animal-based gelatin in any case.)

    22. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ! in front of it means "not". It's from a lot of different programming languages.

    23. Re:!vegan tag by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Someone understood my point.

    24. Re:!vegan tag by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      No, that's silly. They have a (bizarre in my opinion) ideal about exploiting animals for food. A mother providing milk for her baby is not exploited, so they won't object.

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    25. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, vegan mothers breast feed their babies. Breast feeding one's own child doesn't cause any pain or suffering (none the mother doesn't opt into, anyway), so there's no problem with it from a veg perspective. Giving away milk for another person's child or feeding another woman's milk to one's own kid also wouldn't be an issue. ... and since you're wondering, yes, vegan girls swallow.

    26. Re:!vegan tag by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      I only eat sunshine....converted by other lifeforms.

      You are a life form.

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    27. Re:!vegan tag by bahwi · · Score: 0

      Feeding babies an exclusive diet of milk results in malnutrition.
      There, fixed it for you:
      http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002448.htm

      Breastfeed, or use an infant formula. DUH! Cow's milk isn't a direct substitute for formula or breastmilk, and soy milk isn't always the proper replacement for milk. But neither is cow's milk.

    28. Re:!vegan tag by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Ice cream is full of animal parts--bacteria.

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    29. Re:!vegan tag by operagost · · Score: 1

      DUH! Cow's milk isn't a direct substitute for formula or breastmilk, and soy milk isn't always the proper replacement for milk. But neither is cow's milk.
      Who said it was, Mr. Fancy Pants?
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    30. Re:!vegan tag by halivar · · Score: 1

      Breastfeed, or use an infant formula.
      That's exactly what I said.
    31. Re:!vegan tag by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      The key with vodka jelly is to not get too greedy. The more alcohol you put in the lower the freezing point gets, until your fridge cannot even freeze the solution. Last time I tried it I ended up with jello goop, nothing solid. But then again, I stuck half the bottle in there that time...

    32. Re:!vegan tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The right tag would have been "not fit for lacto-ovo vegetarians who until now could safely eat ice cream", but that's kind of long....

    33. Re:!vegan tag by vistic · · Score: 1

      A local vegan restaurant makes great vegan "tsoynamis".

      I've seen vegan ice cream in grocery stores before, but this is actually vegan "soft serve"... like dairy queen style stuff.

    34. Re:!vegan tag by vdorie · · Score: 1

      While it's not particularly common to see, a number of plant based gelatin replacements exist, and, unlike a number of ill-conceived meat-product-replacements, there's no taste tradeoff. If the gelatin really makes that big a difference, the veggies will just add some seaweed to their soy beans.

      With regards to the !kosher tag, I was surprised to find that kosher gelatins do exist, and that, through a technicality, properly prepared gelatins can be combined with dairy. From the above:

      since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products
    35. Re:!vegan tag by martinX · · Score: 1

      >>With regards to the !kosher tag, I was surprised to find that kosher gelatins do exist,

      Yeah, sure. They just bent the rules and did some creative interpretation so their kids stop whining for confections/candy/lollies they can't have.

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    36. Re:!vegan tag by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      Come on, gelatin is just a cocktail of animal proteins, which are in the meat as much as anything else. If you don't want to eat gelatin, I suggest you give up on meat too. Gelatine also contains many essential amino acids, so it aint that bad if you aren't getting them from other means.

    37. Re:!vegan tag by bahwi · · Score: 1

      By saying this: "Feeding babies an exclusive diet of soy milk results in malnutrition." You make it sound like cow's milk would work just fine. That's what I was correcting, feeding babies an exclusive diet of cow's milk results in malnutrition as well as just soy milk.

    38. Re:!vegan tag by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes. Playing with "vegan" jello-shots has been a small hobby of mine for a few weeks. As another poster mentioned, it's about not trying to get greedy with the alcohol. a Couple tablespoons of agar (bring to a boil in a simple syrup), plus your alcohol (I also have been adding fruit purees.. Don't go overboard on things like passion fruit for various reasons, but it won't set if you do) and stick it in the fridge. I actually have a bottle of pernod at h ome I was going to work with this week... Funny how you mention that...

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  9. oh wow. another way around doing it right. by Babu+'God'+Hoover · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we can have ice cream that's been thawed and frozen after a meal of 'fresh' chicken that's been frozen and thawed.

    1. Re:oh wow. another way around doing it right. by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

      Yeah but if we're living in The Matrix, how do we really know what ice-cream tastes like?

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  10. Whole foods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just another weird food ingredient among many.

    However omnivorous you are, it's probably better to stick with foods with fewer than five ingredients. All of which you can pronounce.

    And if you don't like the thawing and refreezing of ice cream, stop buying the two gallon tubs of it. Just buy a pint or even a single serving at a time. Ice cream of all things shouldn't be consumed frequently or in large quantities.

    1. Re:Whole foods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, how dare they add proteins to my pure all-natural foods? Honestly, have you seen the stuff they put in food these days? I refuse to eat anything that contains stuff with silly-sounding names like isoleucine, methionine and phenylalanine. None of those fancy-schmancy artificial additives for me.

  11. Bah! by jcr · · Score: 4, Funny

    In my day, if we wanted smooth ice cream, we had to mix in ethylene glycol by hand with a leaden spoon! and we were grateful! You kids get off my lawn!

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Bah! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny
      In my day...we had to mix in ethylene glycol by hand with a leaden spoon... You kids get off my lawn!

      Well, that explains the dementia. Now put down the TV remote, and stop yelling at the microwave oven.

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    2. Re:Bah! by jbengt · · Score: 1

      You've got it all wrong, It's Propylene Glycol that's a common food additive, not ethylene glycol.

    3. Re:Bah! by jcr · · Score: 1

      Hear that whoosing sound?

      It's a joke, son. Did you miss the lead spoon part, too?

      -jcr

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    4. Re:Bah! by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I realized it's a joke, but the real joke just might be that they really do use glycol in food.
      And have you tested the amount of lead in the glazing on that china imported from China lately?
      (BTW, I don't know that I've ever eaten ice cream with a lead spoon, but I have eaten off of a pewter plate before)

  12. Gelato by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the growth of ice crystals that ruin its texture

    Or, you could just eat Gelato, and avoid this problem altogether.

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  13. Anti-freeze in soup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or was it pine cleaner. Just watch out for Bruce Willis

  14. Tomacco? by Gothmolly · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's next flounder genes in tomatoes to keep them from freezing? Flouresence genes in pigs so they glow under black light? Oh, wait..

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  15. We don't need this by DaveCBio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Companies could just make ice cream properly and transport and store it well and not put so much chemical crap into it, but hey then it might cut into their 1500% profit margins.

    1. Re:We don't need this by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      And people could keep the icecream in their freezer all the time and never have it melt. Oh wait, that isn't possible. If it is that cold all the time, then you can't get the icecream out of the box.

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    2. Re:We don't need this by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? You don't have to store ice cream at such a low temp that it becomes a rock. Of course it's going to melt a bit when you take it out, but when you start with a crap product it can only get worse.

    3. Re:We don't need this by Bartab · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most, nearly all, of the problems with re-freezing come due to the defrost cycles of automatic cycle residential freezers.

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    4. Re:We don't need this by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      You don't have to get it either: I like ice-cream a lot, but I only get it at an actual ice cream store. I've tried them all (excluding haagen-dasz, mövenpick and the likes) in my town, and there are about 1-2 that taste like they're good at making it themselves. Did you know that chocolate ice cream with chocolate in it actually tastes a lot like chocolate? Delicious. Furthermore you support your like tradesman instead of some multi-billionaire.

      Back in Holland, I used to go to "Australian" every now and then, I think the only chain that managed to capture the taste of proper ice cream.

      Funny thing is, I have a scientific interest in these subjects, the chemistry and physics behind food is fascinating, but I would like to see this chemistry and physics used to make more "honest" food, with less additives, instead of more "cheap" food. The main problem is that the only food companies that can afford a good scientific department, are also the ones that are mostly lead by the wishes of their stock holders. It's changing a bit now, with "molecular cooking" becoming trendy even at the level of individual restaurant cooks.

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    5. Re:We don't need this by russotto · · Score: 1

      Most, nearly all, of the problems with re-freezing come due to the defrost cycles of automatic cycle residential freezers.


      Perhaps, but I'm willing to accept that if I don't eat the ice cream quickly it's going to turn icy. Particularly since dragging my freezer outside to defrost every few months would just suck. But when I get ice cream from the store that's icy already, it ain't my freezer's fault.

    6. Re:We don't need this by russotto · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, I have a scientific interest in these subjects, the chemistry and physics behind food is fascinating, but I would like to see this chemistry and physics used to make more "honest" food, with less additives, instead of more "cheap" food.


      That's close to a logical contradiction. Food chemistry can be used to make cheaper food, better food, or even better and cheaper food. But by definition just about anything which comes out of it will be an additive. True, they can also come up with techniques to use natural substances together to get the same effect, but is this really better?

      Physics, now, that has some possibilities. Invent the stasis box and a lot of preservatives can just go away.

    7. Re:We don't need this by jxm387 · · Score: 1

      Unlikely. These companies are the world's best at making ice cream. They don't particularly like these chemicals (I should know, I try to sell them!). But they do have to make compromises so that you can have your ice cream at home. Otherwise you'd be stuck with home ice cream texture: smooth on day 1, gritty and sandy by day 3.

    8. Re:We don't need this by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      I agree with you, freeze drying for example is a place where physics can come in without changing the chemical composition. But I think there are possibilities to improve chemistry without messing up the natural constituents of food. One example would be less chemically intrusive ways to decaffinate coffee. They were using organic solvents in the beginning, I think a water-based solution is used now.

      Even if you only change the physical process, you still need at least to know about the chemistry and biology of the food you are processing to understand what's happening. PRetty multidisciplinary

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  16. I do this because I'm strange... by SelrahCharleS · · Score: 1

    but I mash all the ice cream I eat with my spoon first. Once I've mashed it enough that I can stir it a little then I will eat it. It's a bit of an OCD thing, but it has the added advantage of getting rid of ice crystals.

    1. Re:I do this because I'm strange... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I have them all the time. It is called a Milkshake....

    2. Re:I do this because I'm strange... by Alaria+Phrozen · · Score: 1

      My milkshake brings all the flees to the yard, and they're like, it's grittier than yours. Damn right, it's grittier than yours, I could antifreeze you but I'd have to charge.

    3. Re:I do this because I'm strange... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Uhmm, I just pop it into the microwave oven for 5 seconds.

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    4. Re:I do this because I'm strange... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DO NOT WANT

  17. Edible Anti-Freeze? by nog_lorp · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always just used car anti-freeze in my ice cream. It's an acquired taste, but it is really delicious!

    1. Re:Edible Anti-Freeze? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's fine as long as you follow it with a double whiskey

    2. Re:Edible Anti-Freeze? by edwardpickman · · Score: 4, Funny
      I've always just used car anti-freeze in my ice cream. It's an acquired taste, but it is really delicious!

      So the blindness wasn't caused by too much mastrabation?

    3. Re:Edible Anti-Freeze? by The+-e**(i*pi) · · Score: 1

      I bet someone tries it and makes the darwin awards

  18. Re:Wrong -- galactose not ice crystals = grittines by Scaba · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow - all that science and research done by an actual food chemist proven wrong by a single ridiculous assertion by Slashdot's most famous member, Anonymous Coward!

  19. Looks fine to me by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    Swedish Glace, Vanilla 750ml

    Ingredients
    Water extract from premium graded soyabeans, sucrose, glucose, non-hydrogenated vegetable oils, emulsifiers: mono- and di-glycerides from vegetable oils, stabilisers: carob bean gum, guar gum, carrageenan, salt, vanilla flavouring.

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    1. Re:Looks fine to me by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't look fine to me. The soybean oil and soybean-derived mono- and diglycerides put me in bed for 2-3 days when I eat it. What's worse is that manufacturers have been lobbying the FDA to not have to itemize ingredients, particularly soy-derived ingredients.

      Bring back real ice cream, please!

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    2. Re:Looks fine to me by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      The soybean oil and soybean-derived mono- and diglycerides put me in bed for 2-3 days when I eat it. This may make me sound like a dick, but you probably shouldn't eat that ice cream then.
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    3. Re:Looks fine to me by aidan+folkes · · Score: 1

      Swedish Glace, Vanilla 750ml Ingredients Water extract from premium graded soyabeans, sucrose, glucose, non-hydrogenated vegetable oils, emulsifiers: mono- and di-glycerides from vegetable oils, stabilisers: carob bean gum, guar gum, carrageenan, salt, vanilla flavouring.
      Swedish Glace is aimed at people who want non-diary Ice Cream (lactose intolerant, vegan). It's actually quite nice (although I prefer Cornish Ice Cream myself).
    4. Re:Looks fine to me by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      The glycerides are what keep icecream from freezing into a solid...

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    5. Re:Looks fine to me by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Soy proteins are not easy to avoid. Soy is often hidden behind the "natural flavors" catchall, and sometimes manufacturers substitute soybean oil for other ingredients without updating the labels. I do my best to avoid it but can't always. :(

      When I buy food myself, I check the ingredients. When I eat out, I eat only foods I can reasonably assured are soy-free.

      BUT: why should ice cream substitute soybean oil for milk fat? Yeah, soy is cheap AND it enhances appetite by blocking electrolyte absorbtion (one reason manufacturers LOVE to add soybean oil, MSG, etc. to foods) but for improving the texture and taste of ice cream, what can possibly be better than high quality milkfat? Then, the only allergen present will be dairy, and it's known to be present in ice cream -- well, real ice cream anyhow. Why mess with it?

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    6. Re:Looks fine to me by Starayo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was allergic to wheat, soy, rye, sulphides, nitrates, and probably a bunch of stuff I can't remember. Oh, right, cockroaches. Eating any of these things would result in migraines so painful that I'd throw up from the pain, and would go blind during the intitial stages of the migraine. I would have these migraines up to three times a week, and they could sometimes last days. I wasn't actually aware that I had allergies.

      After a blood test, I went on a desensitisation program, wherein I didn't eat any of the above (very hard, seeing as sulphides+nitrates include everything with flavour. I basically lived on rice...) for about a year, while taking drops under my tongue. I'd go in for blood tests every three months or so, I think, and could slowly start eating these things again.

      Now, I can eat what I want. The process was expensive, but I think well worth it. For a year of bland food, I got my life back.

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    7. Re:Looks fine to me by epp_b · · Score: 1

      What's worse is that manufacturers have been lobbying the FDA to not have to itemize ingredients, particularly soy-derived ingredients.
      I guess they want to invite lawsuits from people with allergies... (soy is a common allergy related to nut allergies, which are even more common)
    8. Re:Looks fine to me by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on. Do you really think the manufacturers care if it's good? As long as it's not so bad you won't buy it, that's okay. They're in it for the money - they want cheap manufacturing costs, not good products.

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    9. Re:Looks fine to me by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Ingredients
      Water extract from premium graded soyabeans, sucrose, glucose, non-hydrogenated vegetable oils, emulsifiers: mono- and di-glycerides from vegetable oils, stabilisers: carob bean gum, guar gum, carrageenan, salt, vanilla flavouring. Wow, mine just says

      Ingredients
      Water, Stuff (Note: peoportions may vary).
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      May contain traces of nut.
      Made from the freshest electrons.
    10. Re:Looks fine to me by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      It would appear that you might be intolerant to soy or even have an allergy . Should allergies be blamed on the allergen or on the immune system's inability to distinguish a real threat? Personally, I am intolerant to several fruits: apples, pears, cherries and fennel to name a few. I can only have a bite, any more will put me in bed.
      I think labelling should be as accurate as possible to at least help identify potential allergens.

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    11. Re:Looks fine to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have food allergies too and what to point out that blood tests for food allergies are mostly frauds. None have been verified in a properly blinded scientific study. If your insurance doesn't cover it, it's probably because they don't believe it works. After all, having you avoid foods that cause you problems would save lots of money over the long run. More info here.

    12. Re:Looks fine to me by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      > BUT: why should ice cream substitute soybean oil for milk fat?

      If you take a look at the ingredients (and in Germany, most ice-cream doesn't look that scary, yet), you'll see that, depending on the price, most ice-cream basically consists of "waste products" that occur when you process milk. Take butter, for example. Butter is made from milk. If you take out most of the fat from milk, you end up with butter on one side and skimmed milk on the other side.
      The market for skimmed milk is not exactly bustling, so you have to use it for something else. My mom tells me that they used to use it to feed pigs on the farm, when she was young.
      Nowadays, it's put into ice-cream. Of course, if you would make ice-cream from skimmed milk, it would be just a block of frozen water. So you've got to put fat into it again. In Germany, I see mostly margarine put in as a "butter"/cream replacement, but maybe this is just an euphemism for using soybean-fat, too.
      Of course, all the rest of the stuff in a typical bargain-icecream also only serves the purpose of "fixing" an otherwise broken product.

      Your question about why the manufactures just don't use "real" milk and cream actually has to anwsers:
      a) price - icecream would be much more expensive and people wouldn't be able to afford it in large quantities. It would be a luxury
      b) people would get pretty fat pretty fast from such an ice-cream (cream has 80something % fat). By having somehow less fat in there, people can eat more (thus buy more). Profit !!!

      I usually avoid supermarket-icecream (which is, of course, also served in restaurants). It's really sad, but I don't really consider it "ice cream" anymore. It's a scam. But people like to believe it's still "ice cream". I guess, they'd also like to believe that soilent green is actually a cookie made from spelt. ;-)

      I think I'll buy an ice-cream machine for the summer...

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    13. Re:Looks fine to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Germany, I see mostly margarine put in as a "butter"/cream replacement, but maybe this is just an euphemism for using soybean-fat, too. In the UK they do that too, but the margarine is mostly made from rape-seed oils. Given the climate in Germany is similar, it's more likely high oil contents flower seeds rather than soy.
    14. Re:Looks fine to me by Starayo · · Score: 1

      I don't argue with results. I had no doubt in my mind that the treatment would not work, yet I haven't had a migraine - or any other symptoms - in years.

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    15. Re:Looks fine to me by dintech · · Score: 1

      Who cares if it's good when you can make it with liquid nitrogen!

    16. Re:Looks fine to me by somersault · · Score: 1

      I still tend to consider ice-cream a luxury good. Is Ben & Jerry's made from decent ingredients? Because that's basically the only ice cream I buy myself (usually when I go to the cinema). My mum always buys 'real' ice cream too (Mackie's, possibly just a Scottish/UK thing..)

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    17. Re:Looks fine to me by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      > Is Ben & Jerry's made from decent ingredients?

      I don't know. I'm German ;-)
      There's probably "good" icecream out there - it's just incredibly hard to find.
      And then, one can make his own, via an icecream-maker and a cook-book.

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    18. Re:Looks fine to me by Courageous · · Score: 1

      Um. Have you ever tried making ice cream from 100% cream?

      It won't come out like you expect.

      More like frozen mousse than anything.

      C//

    19. Re:Looks fine to me by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      > Um. Have you ever tried making ice cream from 100% cream?

      No, but if I remember the recipes from the ice-cream maker of my mother correctly, it usually consists of yoghurt and a varying amount of wipped cream.
      Of course, this is only good for immediate consumption (because it will freeze to a concrete block in the freezer) - but that's true for almost all convenience-products, in some way or other.

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  20. Vegetarian, Kosher, Hilal? by TheGoodSteven · · Score: 1

    Since gelatin is derived from pork (or at least used to be), does this mean that we'll soon see ice cream labeled as "Pork free for Passover!"? I really would love to see that.

    1. Re:Vegetarian, Kosher, Hilal? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Gelatin usually comes from piggys, but it can be made from cows too, a lot of big brands use cow gelatine now so as not to miss out on the Jewish and Muslim markets.

    2. Re:Vegetarian, Kosher, Hilal? by ryu1232 · · Score: 1

      The article/summary mentions the compound being similar to the blood of a snow flea - to be truly kosher as much blood as possible must be removed from the meat/product/animal before consumption. There are specific rules about draining, salting, and broiling. Given the similarity, adding this compound would render the product treif.

  21. So where's the vid? by Bobke · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So where's the vid? does it have 2 girls?

  22. Headline made me think..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Chinese are getting into the ice cream industry?

    1. Re:Headline made me think..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically enough it was the Chinese that originally invented ice cream, in the 10th century no less!!!!

  23. Gelatine is no antifreeze by giorgosts · · Score: 1

    Gelatine (or equivalent veg. products) have been added to ice-cream since the beginning of time. Not for antifreeze. It has to do with preserving the colloidal properties of the mixture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid

  24. Double duty... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Does this mean I can use antifreeze ice cream for my car?

    1. Re:Double duty... by giorgosts · · Score: 1

      Alcohol (vodka, Jin) is an edible antifreeze. (or glycerine) The problem is though that once you add it, your ice-cream melts. (Thats the function of the anti-freeze, to prevent water from freezing)

  25. French have put antifreeze in wine for years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See? I'm still here! And see, it hasn't negatively effected me. I've lived to 32 years and am happily living with relatives and posting to Slashdot!

    1. Re:French have put antifreeze in wine for years! by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      ...Simpsons reference :P

  26. Everyone is missing the point by edwardpickman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Real ice cream is made from cream which is expensive. Real Ice Cream maintains it's texture because it's mostly milk fat with very little water. The point is to take milk and cheaper water based products and still get that higher quality texture. This is about saving a buck not producing a higher quality ice cream.

    1. Re:Everyone is missing the point by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      This is about saving a buck not producing a higher quality ice cream.

      What's wrong with saving a buck? That seems like a pretty good outcome. Also, perhaps it means that a high-quality ice cream can contain fewer calories.

    2. Re:Everyone is missing the point by freedumb2000 · · Score: 1

      I know you people are really just waiting for Soylent Green to arrive.

    3. Re:Everyone is missing the point by jxm387 · · Score: 1

      In 'real' ice cream it is very difficult to maintain texture. In 'real' ice cream, it's still mostly water and 'real' ice cream will become gritty over time. This technology first started with an equipment solution (no ingredients). Then other companies wanted this technology without spending millions on equipment. Enter ice structuring proteins.

    4. Re:Everyone is missing the point by mbstone · · Score: 1

      No, the point is that geeky kid ice cream personnel never shake the water off of the metal dipper. The water on the dipper then becomes ice on contact with the ice cream. If the scooperperson doesn't shake off the dipper, you will have to eat ice.

  27. Mmmmmm, corpse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear, every damned year it gets more complicated to be vegetarian. Stupid corpse eaters...

    1. Re:Mmmmmm, corpse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go grow your own then. Damn hippies...

  28. inputdev tag by Seismologist · · Score: 1

    hahaha... someone on here is real funny...

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  29. My father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My father, a Biochemist at Otago University in NZ has been working on doing this for the last few years, using antifreeze proteins from Antarctic dogfish, grass, nematodes of some description and alpine cockroaches.

    The icecream companies rejected his work because they didn't consider it financially viable, but damn, does he make some good icecream.

    1. Re:My father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "antifreeze proteins from Antarctic dogfish, grass, nematodes of some description and alpine cockroaches."

      I didnt know grass grew in the antarctic, or is this just a recent thing due to global warming.

  30. Better yet... by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1

    Can I just drink some "StopLeak" the next time I get a cut?

    Cheers,
    Dave

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  31. There is also vegetable gelatine... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    So vegetarians can eat jello and marshmallows too. They only need to be more picky, and pay extra since v-gel is more expensive.

    Thing is, most of them have no idea they were eating animal products for years.
    Being a bad boy - I take it upon myself to point it out to them. >:)

    Muslim vegetarians?
    My favorite.
    If I weren't an atheist I'd compare it to christmas or something like that. :P

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  32. This isn't about making cheaper ice cream... by lordhades · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is about maintaining quality in ice cream. As someone else pointed out, most of the heat shock (melting/refreezing) that occurs in ice cream is on your drive home and in your freezer at home. After freezing under agitation, only about half of the water content of the ice cream base is frozen, but the number of ice nuclei is the highest it will ever be. Under second stage quiescent freezing these crystals just get larger as the percentage of liquid water approaches zero. All temperature fluctuations above about -20F contribute to the degradation of these ice crystals into larger crystals. All of the solids in the base help inhibit this process, especially stabilizers such as locust bean gum and guar gum.
    These anti-freeze proteins serve a similar purpose to traditional stabilizers. Ice Cream is not a high profit margin industry, and any advances in maintaining quality are good overall.

  33. Prior art by rduke15 · · Score: 1

    Austrians have known the virtues of antifreeze for quite some time.

  34. Excuse me - i can haz gritty icee? by djfuq · · Score: 1

    I happen to like crunchy ice cream - you insensitive clods! I love gritty crunchy textures in my ice cream... it means the ice cream is really cold and like a brick of ice. And I like to crunch stuff nom nom - You "smooth" ice cream people are weird! Probably the same people who like microwaved moist floppy crust pizza!

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  35. Alcohol by pilsner.urquell · · Score: 1

    Why not just use alcohol? A little rum to smooth out the ice cream, a little more to smooth it out a little bit more and a lot of rum to smooth you right out.

  36. Two words by BlueParrot · · Score: 1

    liquid nitrogen

    It may not be the best taste on the planet, but it is definitely the coolest way to make ice-cream ( well, maybe except helium ... har har har).

    1. Re:Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ice cream I made with liquid nitrogen was definitely the smoothest I have every had. And it was fun to make.

  37. Flavour by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Ah, that would be Austrian wine flavoured ice-cream then?

  38. What's with the "malware" tag? by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

    Why does this article have a "malware" tag?

  39. Bah, Pizza hut there 1st. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the use of propylene glycol alginate

  40. Really didn't think it was a big problem.. by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    As long as you eat your ice cream within a couple few weeks, you're good to go. I guess this is really only good for manufacturing and distributing - they can hold on to larger stores of ice cream since it won't go bad in a warehouse.

    Personally, I'd rather keep my ice cream as simple as possible. You never know what all these odd chemicals can do to your body in the long term.

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  41. Old news... by Damocles+the+Elder · · Score: 1

    ...and it's alot easier than extracting protein from gelatin and fleas. People have been making ice cream with smaller crystals by simply freezing it faster. Liquid Nitrogen, if you have access to it, will do the trick quite nicely.

  42. Home Science Project.. by KookyMan · · Score: 1

    I once read an article, it may have been in Popular Science, for how to make ultra-smooth ice cream.

    The way it suggested was that once you have your ingredients mixed, as you continue to mix, instead of using ice to chill the mixture, pour liquid Nitrogen into the ice cream. Its non-toxic, and flash-freezes it so fast that large ice crystals can't form resulting in an uber-smooth texture.

    Of course, it goes without saying, Don't do this without having the know how of handling Liquid Nitrogen as it can cause serious injury.

  43. Meanwhile in the Soviet Russia... by AndreyFilippov · · Score: 1

    When I was younger (it was in the USSR) we did it differently. Bought nice vanilla ice cream (0.48 rubles a brick), melted it, mixed with different things like chocolate, nuts, bananas, berries. Then used a styrofoam box, put a plastic film inside and poured a layer of about 1 cm deep. Then - some liquid nitrogen on top, another layer - more liquid nitrogen.

    It was not ready for consumption immediately as some chunks were really cold, so it went into a fridge for an hour or two. After that - we had wonderful ice cream cake for a party, perfectly smooth - fast freezing prevented ice crystal growth, no mechanical mixing was needed.

    Really delicious!

  44. I was going to say, by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    I like my ice cream crunchy.

    In fact, I used to put three scoops of vanilla in a cup of milk with a tablespoon of cocoa and stir, just for the ice crystals.

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    1. Re:I was going to say, by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Well then use 100% natural _WHOLE_ snow fleas for extra bite and crunchiness ;).

      Yum, more protein goodness...

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  45. kakigori, Hawaiian shave ice, snow cones by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    no milk in them.

    (Well, actually, I think I have seen milk toppings on kakigori in Japan. I know I've seen cocoa toppings on it.)

  46. Ruining ice cream :-( by vistic · · Score: 1

    Fuck... so now even ice cream has to have dead animals in it?

    I guess I'll have to start making my own if I want it, if this catches on in a big way.

    Note to self: check back on this later on to make sure I know the name to watch out for on the ingredients labels.

  47. "All-natural ice cream" by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

    That there are people who can say "All-natural ice cream" with a straight face means that we are long overdue for a Rapture.

  48. Don't miss the point... by vistic · · Score: 1

    I don't think most vegans are vegan to avoid these "evil" substances.

    The idea behind it is animal cruelty. There's nothing cruel about a mother giving her own milk.

    Of course there may be "healthful" vegans out there, as opposed to the "moral" vegans... but even then there are studies showing the advantages of a mothers milk for an infant.

    I know the idea may seem foreign to you, but you can still apply common sense to these things. It doesn't require alien logic to decide on being vegan or vegetarian.

  49. Cryogenics?? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Screw the ice cream! A more important question we should be asking is this...

    If we pump enough of this "anti-freeze" into our blood stream, can humans be safely cryo frozen?

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  50. I like gritty ice-cream by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

    I mean after all, who likes wimpy, ineffectual ice-cream?

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  51. Anti-Freeze Proteins and Ice Structuring Proteins by jxm387 · · Score: 1

    The ice structuring proteins referred to in this article were first isolated from the ocean pout fish (sp?). Unfortunately they were obscenely expensive to manufacture using this method, and other manufacturers have inserted genes into yeast to make these same proteins from a yeast source. The EU has a real backlash against genetically modified organisms, so they didn't take off there. There is a new company called Ice Biotech out of Canada that's isolating the protein from winter wheat grown in Canada and processed in China. You'll find this technology in the Haagen Daaz ice cream bars, among others. It really does make for a fantastic texture. The major ice cream stabilizer company in the world doesn't believe that these ice structuring proteins are all that great - ice crystal morphology is just as critical as ice crystal size. This company promotes a system based on PGMS technology. There is also a major impact from air cell size (remember that ice cream is a frozen foam). Some companies are promoting ingredients that directly impact air cell structure and stability to give a creamy texture. The two largest ice cream companies, Nestle and Unilever, have developed some equipment technology (low temperature extrusion) that allows them to make ice cream with both small ice crystals and small air cell structure. This is nice, creamy stuff and is marketed as slow/double churned. And this is a low fat system that actually tastes good! There is also technology based on microcrystalline cellulose co-manufactured with sodium carboxymethylcellulose. This stuff makes a good, full fat mouthfeel in a lower fat system. You'll find it in all sorts of systems under the name cellulose gel. Also good stuff.

  52. ANY modern Ice Cream? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haagen Dazs and Ben & Jerry's both are made with all natural ingredients. You'll find those right alongside all the synthetic brands. And if you look a few aisles down where they sell all the nature foods, they have ice cream in the freezers there too. It's a bit of a crap shoot shopping in that section though. For some reason 75% of the people who make healthy food are terrible chefs.

  53. More ice is better IMHO by Lexor · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who prefers a frosty frozen treat? I find it more refreshing this way.

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  54. Ice Cream? by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

    All this research for ice cream? What about combatting hypothermia? If we fortified malt liquors with this stuff, we could stop worrying about the homeless freezing on our lawns...

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  55. No more protective ice! by jkeegan · · Score: 1

    Someone call Albert Brooks' mother!

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  56. In my day, we made soap with lye by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

    and it made our skin bleed and our hair fall out, and WE LIKED IT!

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  57. Huge news!!!! by jandersen · · Score: 1

    I'm still reeling from the impact of these news. This is what we have all been waiting for - the solution to pollution. global warming, disease, hunger, war and faster than light travel!! The Era of Always Smooth Softice is upon us. I am deeply honoured and moved to have been chosen to live in a time where such momentous discoveries are made. I am still struggling for breath. I, for one, welcome our new Smooth Icrecream Overlords. In Soviet... no, wait a minute, I think I got carried away there.

  58. makers have used similar products for years by peter303 · · Score: 1

    When you read the ingredients its often a biner form algae. But its the same purpose- to keep the ingrediants well-mixed.