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Thinkpad X300 Specs Leaked

Kyokushi writes "Gizmodo reports that some specifications of a new ultralight Lenovo X300 have been leaked. 'It appears that Lenovo have themselves a new ultralight X300 series Thinkpad — and outside of the price and release date, we have all of the specs that you need to know. At a glance, some of the major features include: a 13.3-inch LED backlit 1440X900 screen, an ultralight 2.5 pound form factor, and Intel Merom Santa Rosa Dual Core CPU (2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ), a 64 GB SSD, up to 4GB of DDR2 PC2-5300 memory, and 4 hours of battery life.' If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air." Update: 01/20 22:55 GMT by S : Corrected Gizmondo->Gizmodo.

372 comments

  1. Gizmondo is a failed handheld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gizmodo is the tech blog reporting this.

    1. Re:Gizmondo is a failed handheld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I went to the jizzmondo site to read up on this, but all I can find is information on young willing east european babes who want my hot manmeat now!

    2. Re:Gizmondo is a failed handheld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are they going to go to the press conference and turn off all the screens and call it an act of civil rebellion like a bunch of self-important douchebags again?

    3. Re:Gizmondo is a failed handheld by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      And why are we still linking to those children, anyway?

    4. Re:Gizmondo is a failed handheld by qkslvr846 · · Score: 1

      Anyone else notice the inconsistency? The last slide http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/x300/1000528045 lists several features as like 'Not Supported' "PCI Expresscard slot" and "Mono Speaker" on the 'Supported' side that are not corroborated on the first slide http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/x300/1000528037 Smells like a stock pump, botched covert PR response, or frankly a wishful fanboy (GPS, WIMAX, WWAN? Please, what country do you think you live in? Maybe if this is meant for ROK - thats South Korea to you).

  2. Light? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But does it run OS X?

    1. Re:Light? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I dunno, but my Mac mini runs Ubuntu!

    2. Re:Light? by gormanly · · Score: 1

      Meh, my Blueberry iMac runs Fedora 7

    3. Re:Light? by Andrzej+Sawicki · · Score: 1

      I'd rather ask for Windows XP instead of Vista...

    4. Re:Light? by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 2, Funny

      But does it run OS X?

      I hope not.

    5. Re:Light? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No - it doesn't run AmigaOS either. I'm not sure that running or not being able to run another platform's OS affects how much publicity it should get or how good it is. (And I find it ironic if being able to run Windows is now touted as an advantage for Macs...)

  3. Need video and wireless specs by Jim+Hall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds really interesting, but I'm waiting to hear more about video and wireless card. Thinkpads have been very good for me in running Linux, but Linux on laptops these days often comes down to the video card, modem, and the wireless card. Modems are usually winmodems, which are hard to support - but I haven't used a modem in years. Anyone have other details to point to?

    1. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My X40 has a winmodem, but it works perfectly on Linux. The same with the wireless (Intel), video card (Intel also), soundcard etc. I think IBM/Lenovo is doing pretty well on that. You can check http://www.thinkwiki.org/ and you'll see what's supported and what's not in linux.

    2. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 4, Informative

      TFA has all kinds of info. Check out this table of specs, as well as these tidbits here. It appears to sport integrated graphics; Discrete graphics are listed as "not supported", along with PCexpress cards and other card readers. As a side note, new laptop having neither an express card slot or any other card reader is quite surprising to me -- especially a high-budget product like a Lenovo.

    3. Re:Need video and wireless specs by gradedcheese · · Score: 2, Informative

      With ThinkPads it's just a matter of whether you get "integrated" (Intel) or "discrete" (ATI/NVidia) graphics, and in this case I doubt they'll jam "discrete" graphics into a smaller form factor, especially where battery life and heat count so much. My guess is that it has Intel graphics, in which case things should work fine. The WiFi will probably be a MiniPCI / ExpressCard deal as usual, in which case you can choose Intel's chipset.

    4. Re:Need video and wireless specs by jellomizer · · Score: 0, Troll

      Not the fault of the Hardware manufacture who makes these windows systems. It is the fault of the Linux Distributions for not keeping up on the drivers. When a company does give a closed source driver the OSS Community cries foul. So other then release an open source driver they release none. If the Linux community was more open to closed source drivers there may be a bunch of drivers for Linux. But they made it so company cannot make closed source drivers. And for a lot of hardware companies that is an important issue because with the driver source people can make competing compatible products. Which they don't want.

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    5. Re:Need video and wireless specs by jackuess · · Score: 1

      The binary drivers are not used you say? Do you have any numbers to back that statement up? Not that I have any numbers to back this up, but: the nvidia closed source driver for example seems to be fairly popular. Can't imagine that too many nvidia card owners don't use it, and several distributions distribute it.

    6. Re:Need video and wireless specs by gnuman99 · · Score: 4, Informative

      All extra peripherals are replaced with USB devices. There is no need to complicate the interface anymore. USB is ubiquitous. Maybe firewire would have been a better solution, but Apple butchered it by requiring manufacturers pay royalties while USB had a royalty-free implementation from the start. Clearly, free-market spoke and USB is king.

      Card readers and express card slots went the way of the floppy and serial port.

    7. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The x61 has a card reader. I suspect they remove it from this one, to allow one full- and one half-height PCMCIA slot. (The x61 has just one half-.)

    8. Re:Need video and wireless specs by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      USB is okay for a lot of things, but the CPU requirements and the bloated protocol make it unsuitable for high-bandwidth tasks. With an ExpressCard slot you can:
      • Add a(nother) GigE port.
      • Add a discrete GPU and a second monitor port.
      • Add an external disk interface with enough bandwidth to run a RAID array.
      There are probably a few others I haven't thought of.
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    9. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Schmool · · Score: 1

      An ExpressCard is 0.2 inch thick. With the MBA being 0.16-0.76 thick, it'll be quite a feat to fit an ExpressCard interface in that kind of package. Apart from that, the electronics in the MBA are even tighter than the iPod's, there just isn't any room to spare.

    10. Re:Need video and wireless specs by TravisWatkins · · Score: 1

      I don't know about other bits of hardware but if you can make a video card that works flawlessly with the driver for nvidia or ATI cards both companies will be begging to give you large amounts of money. The driver doesn't really tell you much, just how to interface with the hardware.

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    11. Re:Need video and wireless specs by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1
      Unless you are in the video production world. I use firewire on a daily basis between cameras and external Hard drives to capture and output video. (90% of the HD work I do is still shipped to customers on an external drive).

      Ironically though, when I first started using firewire, it was hard to find 4 (dubbed i.link and found mostly on PCs & lots of devices at the time) - 6 pin cables (found on Macs). Now it's the otherway around. I can find 6 - 6 pin cables, but the 4 - 6 pins are harder to find a customer electronics stores.

      I do own several external HDD's that can go either way (USB2 or Firewire) and still the firewire drives transfer large chunks of data much faster than USB2. Same with capture from external sources such an external HDD or camera.

      Firewire for interface devices like mouses, keyboards, etc. doesn't make a lot of sense. There's not that much data being transferred.

      So king of the world depends on which mountain you stand.

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    12. Re:Need video and wireless specs by batkiwi · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to use a superlight notebook for video capture, though?

      A thickpad desktop replacement, sure.

    13. Re:Need video and wireless specs by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Many ThinkPad users would, just as they do with regular MacBooks, consider MacBook Airs toys. Having a minimum set of connectivity options may not be on top of the hipster's Notebooks that look cool and feature at least seven Apple logos list, but often are a factor when it comes to chosing a vendor for the next generation of dull work notebooks. A toy not having a rather usual expansion slot isn't that big of a deal; the corporate workhorse series of notebooks missing it is somewhat new.

      By the way: The X61 tablet's part where PC-cards are inserted is some .6 inches thick and has an SD card slot beneath the PC-card. The T60's combined PC- and ExpressCard slot clocks in at a bit more than .7 inches.

    14. Re:Need video and wireless specs by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      Field Production. Especially when you have to lug 30lbs of camera gear in the field. Frankly, the MBP is more capable for the role, but people who are one man shops may have a different opinion. (For the record, I do about 90% of my work on my MBP these days. Only break out the Quadcore for lightwave and Shake projects.

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    15. Re:Need video and wireless specs by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Except Lenovo's beginning to gun for THAT market, too.

      Well, not EXACTLY that market - not the hipster "OMG MY LAPTOP HAS SEVEN APPLE LOGOS" market, but the "I'm an executive, and I make more money than you, therefore I have this laptop" market.

      What else explains the ThinkPad Reserve Edition, which is just a high-end X61s for more than twice the price, wrapped in leather, and therefore not being able to be used with an UltraBase (so only USB optical)?

    16. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Schmool · · Score: 1

      I just took a look at that thing hoping to be able to answer your question, but I've got nuttin. I can see no viable explanation as to why that laptop came into this world, except that the guys at Lenovo must've had some really awful hangovers over an extended period of time. Who wants their laptop to look like a freaking briefcase? And in tan, no less. Ugh. I really hope they're not going to try to compete with Apple like this because I'd hate to start feeling sorry for them.

      (BTW: I've always liked the ThinkPad, and even owned a few, but trying to make them look stylish or pretty is just a big big mistake. It simply cannot be done.)

    17. Re:Need video and wireless specs by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Interesting set of examples. All I would say quite exotic and unlikely to matter to the kind of people who would buy an ultraportable. Certain small niches would use each, but they would generally get a more standard laptop for that.

      Not to mention that no such discrete ExpresssCard video cards exist, and most likely not the RAID either. Hm ... OK one.
      http://www.expresscard.org/web/do/pub/product/view?id=132

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    18. Re:Need video and wireless specs by darthflo · · Score: 1

      As GP said, it's the "I make more money than you, therefore I have this laptop" market. I, for one, find them to look rather intriguing. Not as intriguing as an X61s plus $3k (a maxed out X61s goes for some $2k, the true Reserve Ed. $5k), but if money's no object I don't see a reason why not.
      OTOH, if money's no object, a two-pound Sony sub or even an MBA just to toy around with wouldn't be out of the question, either.

    19. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      USB- and Firewire-devices has the disadvantages of being entirely external.
      A device sitting in a card-slot can be left there.
      In many cases the device is designed in a way that requires a dongle, which negated much of the advantage though.

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    20. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Add a discrete GPU I'm very curious. I googled this and it seems possible. Has anybody gotten it working?
    21. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      That's hilarious. I understand that conspicuous consumption is vital for certain people's self-esteem, but I mean Jeebus go buy yourself another suit or something.

      I like ThinkPads, but I'd much rather they work on improving the existing design than making this joke.

      And their website's an inaccesible, unnavigable giant flash app too. My eyes!

    22. Re:Need video and wireless specs by pangloss · · Score: 1

      if money's no object, a two-pound Sony sub or even an MBA just to toy around with wouldn't be out of the question, either I like the fact that the above reads just as well if not better if you imagine having enough money to toy with a recent business school graduate.
    23. Re:Need video and wireless specs by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Feasable: an ExpressCard with a low-power GPU designed to add another display to your laptop. Minimal 3D gaming capability, and no way to drive the laptop main display.

      The reason why you can't have a powerful gaming GPU in an ExpressCard slot is because the maximum thermal design power for a full-size ExpressCard is 2.1w. Also, a gaming GPU would push the limits of the PCIe x1 interface, which is barely twice as fast as regular PCI. Worse, to get the GPU to display on the laptop screen, you would have to hack a way to route every completed frame back to the built-in video card (it is the only device connected to the LCD).

      In reality, if all you want to do is add another display for simple 2D Windows work, you might be better off with a Samsung USB display. And yes, you can buy them right now for around $300.

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    24. Re:Need video and wireless specs by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP!!!!

      (It's AMAZING how many people do not read critically and constructively here.)

      This is JUST the sort of solution I think I am looking for, although $300 is a bit steep for me these days. If it were, say, $200, I'd love it for CAD work. Having USB means, it seems to me, avoiding some issues with X-server configurations, but I could be wrong. It also seems to mean not needing a beefy video card.

      See, I use a Gateway P-6301:

      http://www.notebooks.com/2007/10/11/gateway-p6301-and-p6822-notebooks-the-holidays/

      http://blog.miqike.com/index.php?load=read&id=329

      (No, and sadly, I have failed miserably at getting ndiswrapper to work, so no wireless. Have to go with a USB wireless antenna. And, no bluetooth, so I'll have to find a USB based b/t device, too. Multimedia panel doesn't work, other than lighting up if I press buttons or swipe the volume panel. Otherwise, the BEST thing in it for me is the serendipitous discovery of 2-drive bay in it, accessed on the bottom side, and, nicely, not underneath the keyboard.)

      and it has 2 MB of shared RAM, up to 256. When using VirtualBox (which grants only 128 MB max to video) but, with vista running inside, and PCLOS2007 as the host, the system fast enough for me. In PCLOS, I have all kinds of kewl composite effects (tho, no Compiz or Beryl fun yet) yet even running natively on the same hardware, I see a 1.0 windows experience index for both business/gaming. 5.9, oddly, for hard drive (well, it's not odd), and 4.2 & then 4.3 for some other item I can't remember.

      So, I'm finding it really nice to have to not regret my purchase of this laptop since I care more about splitting screen activities (one for CAD, the other for documentation (word processing and database stuff) than about gaming on this laptop. (I installed the SOF Gold from 1999/2000 in Vista in PCLOS, and it wouldn't even START or run graphics. But, in Linux (the Loki version/production of SOF Gold), it ran, but ran crappily, unbearably laggy.)

      Probably many of us would love a 17" laptop display (less the weight, though) in a laptop, BUT not be forced to spend $120 or so more for a beefier graphics card. If I can/could scrounge up some $250 and find this thing on sale, it would be kewl.

      I just wonder, though: Is anyone making or considering making LCDs that share or offload from the machine most of the graphics work? I mean, a GPU in the LCD? It could even be just off-board RAM inserted into a slot. This way, maybe the hardware could more intelligently communicate with the laptop and speed up the laptop's performance.

      Also, it would be nice if the honkin $300 LCDs would become thinner and lighter so as to be carried as a second LCD for those who tote the thing around but don't want a suitcase. I wouldn't suggest showing off in Borders or such with the 2nd LCD (it'd look like you were dragging your office there), but it could be quite useful for displays (when a $500 projector might not be desired, even if it's as small as half a cereal box), especially to share a presentation with clients sitting opposite of you, and when you need breathing room, OR to discourage them from looking at any passwords you might have.

      If one could self-design apps for this split-screen (say, as in some X-server options), the user could have the "client/customer" panel that lacks sensitive fields shown on the "operator"/consultant side of the app.

      Hope I didn't ramble too much.

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    25. Re:Need video and wireless specs by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      INT WTF!!!!

      Kick my ASS. That blog.mike link above has pron on it, so if you're at work, DON'T go there. Sorry about that. SHIT! I only saw the laptop, and scrolled to some text, but not all the way down, not until I submitted.

      It would be NICE if Slash allowed for oh-shit editing, (say, remove a URL, but maybe not the plain editorial text...).

      Again, sorry. Really sorry.

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    26. Re:Need video and wireless specs by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, you cannot use this under Linux until someone writes a driver. The monitor installs this driver via an autorun virtual CD drive when you first plug the USB connector in. SEE HERE.

      Currently only Windows XP and Vista are supported. Can't say I blame them.

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    27. Re:Need video and wireless specs by maestro118 · · Score: 1

      Generally Thinkpads have a range of docking solutions available. For the T-series if you go with the advanced doc, it goes one better and has full support one full-height and half-length or low profile PCI Express Card - so you can really extend the graphics.

      Although for the X series, the docking solution doesn't have an express card slot either, but who knows, maybe they have a new dock in the works as well.

  4. I like the specs better by the_humeister · · Score: 2, Informative

    It even has wired ethernet. But Apple still has the branding that the general populace flock to nowadays.

    1. Re:I like the specs better by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple also has OSX, and Lenovo has Windows. The difference in operating systems is more than branding (I don't own a Mac, but let's face it, Microsoft is still playing catch-up.)

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    2. Re:I like the specs better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, someday Microsoft may hope to sell more copies of their software than Apple does. Catch up indeed.

    3. Re:I like the specs better by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but we aren't talking about the relative financial success here: we're talking about the usability and sophistication of the product itself. And there Microsoft is way behind. Make no mistake ... I don't like Apple, I don't like Jobs, and it's unlikely I'll ever own an Apple product again (the last one was an Apple ][.) So I'm not defending Apple Computer, per se, but as a Windows programmer I'm more than familiar with the shortcomings of that particular OS.

      Catch up, indeed.

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    4. Re:I like the specs better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Spoken like a true fanboy. When all else fails, pull out the Market Share card. I'll use it too.

      Hey, everybody, the Ford Escort is higher quality car than a Porsche Carrera GT. Want proof? There are more Escorts on the road!

    5. Re:I like the specs better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, someday Microsoft may hope to sell more copies of their software than Apple does. Catch up indeed.

      That's the short view. A longer view might be "Someday Microsoft may hope to quit losing market-share and mind-set to other OSes."

    6. Re:I like the specs better by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      No shit, it even has twice as many USB ports. Now that's impressive!

    7. Re:I like the specs better by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

      I'm a Mac fan but 8% of the market hasn't hit flocking yet. Granted if they maintained their percentile increases for a few more years they'd pass Microsoft. That can't happen for a lot of reasons but they are likely to settle into a 15% market share eventually which would be impressive. They really aren't competing head to head since computers are like political parties and religions. Some people are independents or agnostics and float between but for the bulk of the people using computers there isn't a choice they'll either buy a PC or for a few a Mac. Linux is mostly on the geek side still. So long as most of the software and in some cases devices are PC only then Mac is going to have a tough time breaking 15% market share. It's like electric cars with a 100 mile range. For 99% of most people's driving it'd be superior to gasoline, cheaper and and more convenient, plug in at home. Still people make their decisions based on the 1% "what if". Mac will do 99% of what I need and is easier, more stable and more secure, but what if...... It's more breaking a cycle to get people to try Mac or Linux. Linux for all of it's benefits still has some rough edges that keep it more in the tinkerer realm but Mac is more turn key than PCs so it'd actually be better for 90% of the users but branding is a powerful thing and Microsoft has the monopoly and if everyone has one it must be better.

    8. Re:I like the specs better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It even has wired ethernet

      And I suppose the ethernet dongle you can purchase for the MacBook Air does not count? No, seriously, check out the Apple store and look closely at the build-to-order options. Using USB, you can connect 10/100 ethernet ($29), V.92 modem ($49) or optical drive ($99). Apple is targeting the "ultra-mobile" market that would theoretically use ubiquitous WiFi, but there are still options for using features you would expect to find in a "normal" machine.

      Yeah, I will go ahead and say I am an Apple fanboy, but people talk about the MacBook Air like it has no capability for ethernet whatsoever.

    9. Re:I like the specs better by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      I currently own a ThinkPad T60. I use the optical drive one time per quarter, maximum. I could easily live without it.

      Ethernet on the other hand, well. An external, small Dongle. I've already lost laptop power supplies, i'd probably lose a lot more than the power supplies. I use Ethernet frequently. Not every customer has wireless yet, or setup a guest access wireless. Other people might need the optical drive more often.

      The ThinkPads have always been designed in a simple way: Form follows function. Apple is primarily selling lifestyle products. There's nothing wrong with that, but they often trade usability for aesthetics, which is bad, in my opinion. But there are multiple requirements for different people.

    10. Re:I like the specs better by gnuman99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple doesn't have the panacea of the OS world. And I own a Mac. Seriously, Vista is not that bad and can be comparable to Apple. The annoying popups shouldn't actually be experienced in properly written software for end-users anyway.

      Windows API/ABI at least is stable. Apple's new OS is less so. I wander how long it will take for 10.0 apps to be unusable. The only "problem" with 64-bit Vista is you can't run Windows 3.1 apps anymore. :)

      I know you can argue that manifests are nasty and all that, but at least the overall situation with manifests is a little better than the old DLL-hell we used to experience. Apple has a better solution from user standpoint, though it has its shortcoming (ie. app bundles).

      But if you are speaking from a programming world (as someone that writes software for all 3 OS - OS X, windows and Linux), Linux's userland is way ahead in the programmer friendliness. Stuff just works. Tools just work. Automation just works. In this light and my experience, both X and Windows are light-years behind.

    11. Re:I like the specs better by dada21 · · Score: 1

      My IT employees carry around a tiny WiFi router to all clients. It's secure, easy to use, and works great. Ethernet for us is now unnecessary.

      If someone made a decent battery-operated router, I'd be even happier.

    12. Re:I like the specs better by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that one couldn't load Linux on this Lenovo?

    13. Re:I like the specs better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My IT employees carry around a tiny WiFi router to all clients. It's secure, easy to use, and works great. Ethernet for us is now unnecessary.


      That's nice - where does the WiFi router get its network connectivity? Magic?

      You're an idiot.

    14. Re:I like the specs better by lukas84 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah well.

      It depends a lot. The idea is nice, but also has a lot of disadvantages:

      * You'll have to find a power plug for this thing (yes, also for the laptop, but finding one power plug is easier than finding two)
      * The companies security policy has to allow you to install a wireless device into the network
      * The wireless device has to be able to authenticate properly to the customers network - support a variety of 802.1x/EAP authentication schemes
      * I would probably lose the device in a week ;)

      Especially #2 would be prohibitive for me. But, if it works for your customers then it is a good solution.

    15. Re:I like the specs better by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Considering KDE has a more polished GUI than either MacOS or Windows

      It's not GUI polish that's the issue.

      It's little things like Time Machine and a search facility (Spotlight) which actually works.

    16. Re:I like the specs better by pipatron · · Score: 1

      Using USB, you can connect 10/100 ethernet ($29)

      I have a gigabit ethernet in my 4 year old Thinkpad X40, where can you connect that to your Air? 10MB/s isn't really state of the art transfer speed these days...

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    17. Re:I like the specs better by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      I don't own a Mac, but let's face it, Microsoft is still playing catch-up.


      Is this a fact, or your pulled-out-of-your-ass opinion? Repeating something doesn't make it true.

      I happen to prefer both Linux and Windows to Mac OS X.
    18. Re:I like the specs better by countach · · Score: 1

      There are barriers to crossing particular market shares. For example, it's a different proposition to convince businesses than to convince individuals to change. However, when many of the individuals in a business, including the executives and IT staff are using OS-X (assuming that scenario comes to pass), then the business becomes likely to change too. You can't assume any particular limitation of 15%.

    19. Re:I like the specs better by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Informative

      In this light and my experience, both X and Windows are light-years behind.

      Please don't refer to MacOS version 10 as 'X'.

      Microsoft tried to steal the 'X' moniker with Active-X and with the X-Box. Apple has tried to steal it with Mac OS-X.

      X is the term for the X Window System and has been since back when Apple was just eying the 68000 processor as a potential platform, and Microsoft was trying to figure out how to get past the 640K barrier.

    20. Re:I like the specs better by Schmool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, 10/100 Ethernet isn't all that fast. Apple doesn't really want you to use it either, that's why it's offered as an option, for those who absolutely must plug in. Apple wants you to use 802.11n, which at 30MB/ps is quite respectable. Since the standard disk in the MacBook comes straight from the iPod, at 1.8" and 4200rpm, it's not likely to be a great performer in the high speed transfer department anyways, so why bother with Gigabit Ethernet.

      Perhaps more importantly, Apple wants you to keep your multimedia files on separate devices such as Time Capsule and Apple TV, so you won't be needing to transfer large files anyways ;)

    21. Re:I like the specs better by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, come on. Five years back when Vista was just a gleam in Bill Gates' eye Microsoft was promising all sorts of fantastic things, things that the Mac eventually came out with (or already had at the time) while Vista has been an ongoing mess of promised features being removed. Like I said elsewhere, I don't own a Mac and don't much care for Apple or it's reality-bending leader, but Vista is a lame-duck product considering how long Microsoft had to work on it. I say that as a software engineer who has to learn and work with Microsoft products (hey, it's a living.)

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    22. Re:I like the specs better by miscz · · Score: 1

      Spotlight was first but now there's Tracker and Beagle, usually integrated in modern Linux distros and Vista has indexing built in too. Not to mention that there's Google Desktop for those still using XP. All actually work.

    23. Re:I like the specs better by St.Anne · · Score: 1

      Don't forget all the free back doors in the bios, so the PLA can keep track of how many times a day you visit slashdot.

    24. Re:I like the specs better by Draek · · Score: 1

      Yup, but "Thinkpad" is to the business world what the lowercase "i" and the Apple brand is to the general populace, and they buy in *bulk*.

      Me, I'd rather buy the Thinkpad, with Ubuntu on it it'd look quite sexy indeed, while still giving me all the UNIXy goodness I've come to expect from an OS. Plus, it comes in black ;)

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    25. Re:I like the specs better by fermion · · Score: 1
      Not only branding, but in all honesty, price. While Apple does not compete on the entry level models, it competes hard on these high end models. For instance, the Compaq nc6400 is a very compact and full featured business machine. Last year when I looked at the price, it was about 3-500 more than a macbook pro. The question is are you going to pay more for a machine that is not an Apple?

      I suspect this machine will be the same thing. Will they be able to sell it for less than $2000? Sure, with rebates, instant discounts, and other trickery I am sure the price will be lower than a comparable Apple, but that is another reason why Apple is preferable. They do not jack up the price just to offer a sale.

      And I don't know what kind of primitive lifestyle people are living now. Wired Ethernet? Sure sometimes you need it to download those special entertainment file, and some people do actually transfer that amount of data, but for the vast majority of users, other than the reliability issue, wired ethernet is so Y2K.

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    26. Re:I like the specs better by TeraCo · · Score: 1

      And 'the x factor' tried to steal it with their reality TV show? Good grief, Bugs Bunny cartoons were using the letter before X windows was. Did X windows steal it from WB?

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    27. Re:I like the specs better by jocknerd · · Score: 1

      One thing you have to remember regarding the 8% marketshare is business sales is included in this as well. Apple has probably less than 1% marketshare in the business world. So for them to be up to 8% total market share is absolutely amazing. This means that they probably have around 15-20% share in consumer land. And if you visit some colleges, you'll find their marketshare is definitely heading up. I've seen 40-50% penetration in several studies of college computer use.

    28. Re:I like the specs better by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      My IT employees carry around a tiny WiFi router to all clients.


      And do your clients know you're installing little wireless backdoors into their networks whenever you come visit? I suspect their IT security would not be amused if they found out.
    29. Re:I like the specs better by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 0

      'the x factor' is not a computer operating system or an open-architecture windowing system.

      Your comment is ridiculous.

    30. Re:I like the specs better by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      I currently own a ThinkPad T60. I use the optical drive one time per quarter, maximum. I could easily live without it.

      On the ThinkPad X300, you can take out that optical drive that you don't use, and put in an extended battery. (Or a second hard drive, if you need space more than runtime.) I don't know for sure, but it's probably the same for you T60. I know it's been the case for every ThinkPad I've ever had the pleasure of working on.

      Man, I love ThinkPads. Laptops designed to get stuff done.

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    31. Re:I like the specs better by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Backwards compatibility has always been MS's killer app. At one moment, people complain about all the problems it creates, but they positively freak out when old cruft doesn't work. I'm not even convinced Apple makes an attempt. Case in point: the switch from 68k to POWER to x86.

    32. Re:I like the specs better by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Mac OS: $129
      Vista OEM: $99-199

      Carrera GT: 100k+?
      Escort: 20k

      Car analogy FAIL

    33. Re:I like the specs better by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with slocate?

    34. Re:I like the specs better by Schmool · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware one could run Win 3.1 apps on Vista.

      As for the Mac, the switch from 68k to PowerPC took forever, mainly because all the new apps still worked fine on 68k. Software was released as 'Fat Binaries' for the longest time, so that it could still be run on the older 68k machines.

      The switch from PowerPC to Intel has been great as well, and is an on-going process. The vast majority of Mac software being released now is still compatible with PowerPC, so-called 'Universal' apps. Apple purchased technology that allows Mac Intel users to run PowerPC apps and has included it in the last few versions of OSX as the 'Rosetta' layer. All work seamless, with no user intervention whatsoever. Just double-click the app, like you've always done.

    35. Re:I like the specs better by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      It's little things like Time Machine and a search facility (Spotlight) which actually works.

      Honest question - what do they offer that backup / search facilities on other platforms don't?

    36. Re:I like the specs better by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Honestly?

      Very little.

      But the key difference - one which Linux users (and to a certain extent Windows users) fail to appreciate - is that the implementation is so damn slick that Apple users may actually wind up making backups and be able to find their files.

      As opposed to "having the facility to make backups but only remembering to about 10% of the time" or "theoretically able to find files with a given piece of content but for some immensely frustrating reason the search frequently fails to find something that you know damn well ought to be there".

    37. Re:I like the specs better by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft isn't playing catch-up for everyone. For what I use my computer for, and indeed how I use it, OS X won't do - I have no choice but to use Windows.

    38. Re:I like the specs better by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify - most Unix backup systems are wrappers around tar - and if they're not, they're based around the same basic idea. "Remember to fire up this program to run the backup every day/week/month" - or even if you automate it "remember to change the media unless you want to overwrite the last backup".

      The same is true in Windows.

      But Time Machine is "Computer, use this external drive for backups" and from that point on it's the OS's problem.

    39. Re:I like the specs better by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Since the standard disk in the MacBook comes straight from the iPod, at 1.8" and 4200rpm, it's not likely to be a great performer in the high speed transfer department anyways, so why bother with Gigabit Ethernet.

      I wouldn't bet on that. They don't go into details on the model or specs of the drive on the website, but I think it's far more likely they're using the brand new MK8025GAL, which is aimed at PC applications rather than consumer devices. Higher density platters than their CE rated devices and 8MB cache instead of 2MB.

      Speed demon? Doubtful, but also keep in mind that PMR drives reach far greater transfer rates at a given rotational speed relative to traditional longitudinal drives. Certainly feasible you could exceed the real world transfer rates of the network, even if you do happen to have a pre-N, which is hardly a given.

      From a network connectivity perspective I personally wouldn't be hampered by the lack of a wired jack, since I rarely use them anyways. The lack of a convienent slot for an EV-DO, though, is a killer. Ideally I would want mini-PCI(E), cardbus or expresscard would be acceptable. Hell, even a second USB port so I wouldn't have to unplug my network connection to plug in a thumb drive (unless I carry around a USB hub as well and frankly that's just dumb :)

    40. Re:I like the specs better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to use Vista. When you get the notebook, just re-partition, format and upgrade to Windows XP SP2. There, now you have an OS far better than Mac OS-anything.

    41. Re:I like the specs better by dada21 · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm less of an idiot than some.

      We use a crossover 100baseT cable between the network and the router. Our notebook connects to our router and gets DHCP from the network.

      Duh.

      As for approval, it's in our contract. We handle all IT, including security, for 95% of our clients.

    42. Re:I like the specs better by TeraCo · · Score: 1

      Neither is the 'xbox'.

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  5. FunctionForm by Tainek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still cannot understand the rabid obsession with thinness the most people have, the two most importent things for me are weight and battery life, the laptops thickness is its least problomatic dimension. i would rather have this over the Air, this should also be tougher than the Air, which cannot be too tough. This also has 4G Ram, which is a must for any media work. The Air is more of a fashion accessory than a serious laptop IMO

    1. Re:FunctionForm by darkwhite · · Score: 1

      And the most important things for me are battery life and durability. And for others, it may be performance and expandability. Everyone has different priorities... so why not thinness? I'd rather have a wide range of slightly imperfect models to choose from which prioritize different things, than one that prioritizes the thing I least care about...

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    2. Re:FunctionForm by Phat_Tony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that I don't understand the super obsession with size (size doesn't matter, right?) but clearly to some people it does. I guess that, as a luxury product, it's just cool and sexy to have something really sleek and thin.

      To me, the Thinkpad looks like a better laptop than the Macbook Air, because it's got an optical drive, three USB ports instead of one, built-in ethernet, and a faster processor. But why even compare these two laptops, instead of comparing a Macbook or Macbook Pro to whatever model of competing Thinkpads there are, unless size is one of your primary criteria? If size wasn't a primary consideration, you shouldn't be shopping for or comparing either of these two laptops, because you'd get more laptop for your money in something that isn't aimed specifically at being tiny.

      And for those for whom it's all about size, the Apple's graduated to a different league than this Thinkpad. They're about the same footprint, but the Air tapers from .16" to .76", where the Thinkpad tapers from .73" to .92". The Air's thickest part is almost as thin as the Thinkpad's thinnest part. Assuming they're both 9" deep and that the cross-sectional area of these laptops were right trapezoids, which they're not quite, the Macbook's cross sectional area is 4.14 square inches, and the Thinkpad's is 7.43. It's a big difference.

      Again, it's a difference that I, and probably most people on Slashdot don't really care about, but apparently some people do, and as I said, why compare ultra-slim notebooks at all if you aren't going to give them points for how ultra-slim they are? If there weren't a lot of people in the US willing to pay a thousand or more dollars extra for something slightly slimmer, Dynamism wouldn't have been around for all these years.

      I think the lack of ports on the Air are a huge drawback, but I think it's Apple's attempt to start dragging us into a wireless future, and it's a future I don't think technology's ready for now, but will be in a few years. Once there's a decent wireless peripheral interface with broad support (wireless USB or whatever), and there's wireless charging, and maybe some new batteries that last much longer and last for many more recharging cycles, they can just make 0-port hermetically sealed laptops. That would be a cool future. I'd also want my Wi-Fi integrated such that it's functional at the BIOS level, so one could do OS upgrades and netboot and emergency recovery over WIFI. Apple's trying to nudge us this way, and so to them it's a "feature" that they took nearly all the ports off the computer, although it's a feature that would currently make my world a much more difficult one.

      This new Thinkpad isn't trying to be visionary, and it isn't radically thinner. It's just the regular old incremental improvement, not much different in magnitude from the past 10 generations of thin Thinkpads in how much different it is from its predecessors. While I personally prefer its specs over the Air's, I prefer nearly any new Laptop's specs over the Air's, and I'm surprised people consider it news, because it looks to me like the slightly smaller, slightly faster future we're all used to on notebook revisions, while the Air was a much smaller, intentionally low-on-ports different vision of the suture that is sort of newsworthy.

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    3. Re:FunctionForm by dollar99 · · Score: 1

      People are obsessed with tiny, sleek, electronic gadgets exactly because they consider them fashion accessories. Many people who are willing to pay more for something because it "looks cool" could care less about the technical specs as long as it runs the internet and Microsoft Office. I know its sad, but its true.

    4. Re:FunctionForm by jrothwell97 · · Score: 1

      I concur. While the MBA is very pretty and very thin, I don't necessarily need a laptop to fit in an envelope. What peeves me is that people will be able to get an (albeit not as pretty) ThinkPad with a very similar spec, which is only a little thinner. For an extra £100 or so, you could also, if you are that desperate to have an Apple machine, have a MacBook Pro, which is faster, has more ports, a bigger 15" screen, more RAM, a DVD-burning SuperDrive as standard, 10/100/1000 Ethernet as standard, better video capability and a similar aluminium case while still being one of the thinnest laptops in the world. There are plenty of similar computers to the MacBook Air, and I can see Apple having some stiff competition, both from the new ThinkPad and from itself if they can't justify the MBA's price and lack of features.

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    5. Re:FunctionForm by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Well, if you want to have a particular size screen then two of your three dimensions are fixed. So if you want to make your notebook smaller, thinner is the only way to go. In general that will mean lighter as well.

      Thickness is kind of a concern. I can slip my MBP into a bag and it fits quite well, leaving room for books and things. My old Hitachi notebook didn't leave much room for anything else. My father's Dell even less.

    6. Re:FunctionForm by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I really have trouble working out what market segment the Air is aiming for. It's small, but the size shrink is not that significant. I have to carry my current laptop in a bag, and the Air would also need to be carried in a bag. Sure, it's slightly lighter, but that's it. Shrink it to the size where I can fit it in my pocket and then we'll talk - I currently use a Nokia 770 (stupid product name) and a ThinkOutside foldable Bluetooth keyboard for when I don't want to carry a laptop around with me. In an ideal world, I would have a 'laptop' about the size of the 770 that I could slot into a monitor when I was at my desk.

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    7. Re:FunctionForm by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      As for thinness: Its nice, to me, its not a big enough deal to ooooh and aaaahhh over the Air (and Id far sooner have the lenovo) but it was a factor last time I bought a laptop, and probably will be when I get to buy another one. I last had a Dell Inspiron 1100. In addition to it being slow (celeron, bah) it was heavy (over 5lbs) and very bulky. I can only fit so much into a bag, and when I had it I was a field tech for a wISP. I had plenty of tools and parts to carry, the dell was heavy. So i bought a Thinkpad T40. Smaller, lighter, faster. Bonus: trackpoint :) It saved room (as well as wear and tear) in my bag and shaved 2lbs off the specs. Mmmmmm. My parents, and my siblings, all have larger laptops...which act basically as desktop replacements. With 15.4" screens theyre a fair bit heavier, as well as quite bulky. But they usually just have them in one or two places around the house, and *might* take it on a trip with them. Me, I like to take mine to school (since Im a student now), work (no longer a tech, I do use it on lunchbreaks) and around the house (large family, large dwelling, sometimes I want to be alone, sometimes not so much) Id almost certainly never buy the Air, and while I like it more, Id probably never ever get a x300 (prices aside, on both units) But another T series? Or something similar? Id be *very* interested. A full desktop replacement? Never.

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    8. Re:FunctionForm by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      The MacBook is a better comparison than the MacBook Pro to the Air since they have the same sized screens. Trying to get the specs as close as possible, I end up with £679.15 for the MacBook and £1,194.98 for the Air. That extra £515.83 buys:
      • A 200MHz slower CPU.
      • No combo drive.
      • PATA drive instead of SATA.
      • No FireWire ports (instead of one FW400).
      • One fewer USB ports.
      • No built-in Ethernet (instead of GigE).
      • One hour less rated battery life.
      • 40% less weight.
      • 30-85% less height (other dimensions exactly the same).
      Note the last part. The dimensions of the MacBook Air, except for the height, are exactly the same as the MacBook. The specs are lower, the price is almost twice as much, and the dimensions that actually limit where you can put the machine are exactly the same. What, exactly, is the target audience for this machine? People with really thin briefcases and large piles of money?

      The difference between the original iPod and its competitors was that you could fit the iPod in your pocket. The difference between the Air and its competitors is that you can fit it into a slightly smaller (in the dimension that's already the smallest) bag.

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    9. Re:FunctionForm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still cannot understand the rabid obsession with thinness the most people have, the two most importent things for me are weight and battery life, the laptops thickness is its least problomatic dimension.

      I still cannot understand the rabid obsession with weight most people have. I can carry my bag just fine whether it weighs 3 pounds or 10 pounds, but if it's too thick it won't fit, or means I can't carry a textbook, too. Heck, my ancestors used farming tools that weighed more than my *desktop*. What's wrong with your arms?

      i would rather have this over the Air, this should also be tougher than the Air, which cannot be too tough.

      Citation needed. I've seen sturdy and wimpy laptops, and there seemed to be no correlation with either size or brand.

      This also has 4G Ram, which is a must for any media work.

      Oh, not this crap again. Apple doesn't sell *any* laptop with 4GB RAM yet -- are you claiming nobody uses Apple laptops for "any media work"? (Or that nobody did on any computer before a couple years ago?) Final Cut Pro has been around since the days when OS 9 and 1GB of RAM were high-end; the idea that you need a top-of-the-line computer to do "any" work is just crazy.

      The Air is more of a fashion accessory than a serious laptop IMO

      Sure, if you start with strange and weird premises, you can end up with erroneous conclusions.
    10. Re:FunctionForm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Air is more of a fashion accessory than a serious laptop IMO

      I think you hit the nail on the head.

      Many of Apple's products fall into the overpriced fashion accessory category. And people still buy them!

    11. Re:FunctionForm by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1
      What kills the Air is the lack of a media drive. I mean, for $300 you can get a MacBook Pro with a Superdrive and max it out with 4GB of Ram. (I just did this a couple weeks ago, entry level MBP from MacMall $1800, 2GB Ram from Crucial $98 with shipping.) And you get a real video card (granted only 128MB of video Ram, but so far no problems with FCS 2 or Shake).

      They only folks who might like the air are the ones who live in airports and hotels. I traveled with the 12.1" Powerbooks a few years back and that thing was an absolute God send compared to the 14" iBook it replaced. Believe me, that extra 4 pounds adds up when you have to lug it around everywhere. Also the 12'1 computer fit nicely on an airplane tray table.

      Still, I owned a Sony Viao that was driveless back around 2000. It was annoying when you went off, forgot the external CD-Rom dive at home, and needed to load something.

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    12. Re:FunctionForm by Bartab · · Score: 1

      In an ideal world, I would have a 'laptop' about the size of the 770 that I could slot into a monitor when I was at my desk.

      No, ideally you'd have storage (hd and/or flash) that you would carry around and plug into "thin" systems installed at work, at home, at the coffee shop, etc. For portability you'd have a LCD/CPU/BigBattery to plug in to.

      This is possible now, it's just that it requires individual effort on the part of the user and isn't cross-compatible everywhere.

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    13. Re:FunctionForm by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      the two most importent things for me are weight and battery life, For me too. Why are those two things almost never mentioned in ads?
    14. Re:FunctionForm by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Well, this beats Air on weight slightly but loses on battery (4hrs vs 5hrs, but I suspect it's a lot more because Apple's estimate is very conservative). With extended battery or multiple batteries it's going to be heavier. The Air's case is solid aluminum and it's probably pretty durable (we can't know until release). 4GB RAM may enable some "media work" but it's still going to be hampered by the crappy Intel integrated graphics.

      Instead, focus on the ways in which this *actually* beats the Air: Ethernet jack, full-size display port (no dongle required), 3 USB ports (vs 1), optical drive, 3 PCI Express slots, GPS, WiMAX. There's some good stuff there, the best IMHO being WiMAX, which will be a killer feature in about a year when Sprint's WiMAX is up and running.

      Of course, when making a purchasing decision you also have to count the intangibles like MagSafe power, magnetic screen latch, OS X, Apple hardware drivers, TrackPoint, and aesthetics (which could go either way depending on the image you're trying to project, and don't tell me you're not trying to project an image with your $3000 laptop purchase...)

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    15. Re:FunctionForm by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Battery runtime: Remove integrated optical device, add another 3-cell battery into it's slot: 8 hours. Also, knowing ThinkPads, there's probably going to be a 6-cell extended life battery anyways, so 12 hours could be possible.
      Case durability: The Air's made out of solid aluminium. Thinkpads are made out of some very strange kind of titanium-adamantium-nukeproof whatever alloy. What I'm getting to - chances of this thing being scratched by anything are about as large as 1 divided by Steve Jobs' ego. Nil.

    16. Re:FunctionForm by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I really have trouble working out what market segment the Air is aiming for.
      It's easy.

      The Air isn't a notebook; it's a wireless portable screen & keyboard for your network (& limited stand-alone use). You walk in, sit down, open it up, and work on files stored on the network. It's not aiming at a market segment; it's aiming at a paradigm.

      It's a bold and interesting idea. And it's not quite there yet; at the very least Apple needs to put some work into VPN, automount, & sync support in OS X before it can fully reach its potential. I suspect the idea is eventually you'll be able to pick up the Air from your desk, head off to the local Starbucks or the airport departure lounge, open it up, and just start working as before - it'll automatically VPN to your network, connect to your shared drives, and you'll see everything exactly as you would at your desk. Hop on the plane, open it up, and you'll be working on locally stored copies of your important files - which are automatically synced back to your network once you're back in wireless range of your LAN.

      Knowing Apple, they'll never get this working seamlessly during the lifetime of this first model - but once they do, it'll Just Work. No dicking around, no reconfiguring, no fiddling with connections - just open your Air and start working.

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    17. Re:FunctionForm by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Yes, but once you add an extra battery (even replacing the optical drive), the weight is back up to the Air's weight. And Lenovo's hours are not equivalent to Apple's. I have a Thinkpad (X60s) with 8 hours quoted extended battery life, and I'd say 5.5-6 hours is a more reasonable estimate. Apple tends to err on the side of underestimating battery life to account for actual usage and battery degradation. Also, Thinkpads are not scratchproof; mine definitely has wear and tear marks. I'd wait until the Air is out before dismissing its durability out of hand.

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    18. Re:FunctionForm by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but I'm really not convinced by the idea of people leaving thin clients lying around in the park. Everywhere else you suggest would be better served by networked file storage than a portable drive. I'm also not completely convinced by the idea of trusting some random input device or CPU not to be trojaned.

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    19. Re:FunctionForm by Bartab · · Score: 1

      Ok, so you won't trust an input device or CPU by themselves, but tack on a networked file source and you're all full of trust!

      Make up your mind to be crazy paranoid, or open to ubiquitous access to your data. Can't have both.

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    20. Re:FunctionForm by ksheff · · Score: 1

      Why else do you think they include a polishing cloth with the MacBook Air?

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    21. Re:FunctionForm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Air is more of a fashion accessory than a serious laptop IMO"

      Wow, congrats... you spotted the obvious. Seriously, anyone wanting to do real media work and such SHOULD get a real laptop. What is it with everyone griping about the MBAir and these laptops because they don't have as much RAM or HD space or ports. It's designed to be less for more casual use. Rendering a movie, storing your entire photo and music library? Just buy a normal laptop and quit your stupid whining!

    22. Re:FunctionForm by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Well that's the most interesting idea I've seen in this thread yet. Nobody's ever successfully sold the "network is the computer" idea yet, but it's always had potential. My question is this: what does the MBA have to offer that makes this paradigm any more workable than it was before? And where's the built-in wireless WAN (EVDO/GPRS/etc) support? -- that would seem to be a key feature for a modern network computer to me.

    23. Re:FunctionForm by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "...so why not thinness?"

      He answered that. It's matters the least in every way.

      Claiming the thinnest laptop, which they could only do with qualifications, is something that Apple did only because they could, not because it offered anything of substance in exchange for the functional trade-offs the machine makes.

    24. Re:FunctionForm by darkwhite · · Score: 1

      My point flew right over your head.

      There are people to whom thinness (and weight) matters the most. The fact that it doesn't matter to you or me is inconsequential if there are enough people in the other category to form a market for the thing.

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    25. Re:FunctionForm by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      I think the point that flew over your head is that thinness doesn't translate into any tangible benefit. Weight has obvious benefits. Same with footprint, battery life, durability, et cetera. Thin made sense for phones, since those are carried in pockets, but unless you actually plan on carrying your laptop around in an interoffice envelope what does thin buy you in a laptop?

      (Not that it will stop sales from being brisk. Style for it's own sake is a saleable asset and Apple knows it.)

    26. Re:FunctionForm by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      And for those for whom it's all about size, the Apple's graduated to a different league than this Thinkpad. They're about the same footprint, but the Air tapers from .16" to .76", where the Thinkpad tapers from .73" to .92". The Air's thickest part is almost as thin as the Thinkpad's thinnest part. Assuming they're both 9" deep and that the cross-sectional area of these laptops were right trapezoids, which they're not quite, the Macbook's cross sectional area is 4.14 square inches, and the Thinkpad's is 7.43. It's a big difference.

      Shrinking the least important dimension doesn't impress me, especially when it's at the expense of a lot of functionality (compared to the x300 you lose gigabit ethernet, modem, mini-PCIe, two USB ports, user replaceable battery, lock port, etc) and still end up weighing more (which is a far far more important consideration than thickness).

    27. Re:FunctionForm by try_anything · · Score: 1

      Trust the server (to an appropriate extent). Trust the client, which is under your physical control. Trust the certification authorities. Trust your certs for the certification authorities. Trust secure protocols to tie everything together. All of those things can be reasonably accomplished, and voila, you have a reasonably secure system.

      If I don't carry my own client (e.g., web browser) around with me, then I have to trust whatever client I pick up wherever I want want access: at my friend's house, the library, a coffeeshop, etc. What I would need is an implementation of security protocols running on my storage device. That way it could validate whatever client I plugged it into and flash a little green light signifying that the piece of hardware I picked up off the park bench is actually running approved software! What's that called again? Oh yeah, trusted computing. Good luck getting that to work with anything that doesn't have a corporate sponsor -- like the server in your closet, or your unlocked cell phone. If it ever works at all, that is.

      Or you could just carry around a client and your own hardware, which is a much simpler and more secure scenario.

    28. Re:FunctionForm by try_anything · · Score: 1

      The Air isn't a notebook; it's a wireless portable screen & keyboard for your network (& limited stand-alone use). You walk in, sit down, open it up, and work on files stored on the network. It's not aiming at a market segment; it's aiming at a paradigm.

      It sounds like you're talking about the thin client network computing paradigm that people have been pitching since... I'm not sure when, but at least the early nineties. That may or may not have been your intent, but regardless: the Air has absolutely nothing to do with network computing. The Air runs a full OS and has plenty of processing power. You won't have any trouble installing as much software as you want. It even has a decent amount of space for data. It doesn't cater to:

      1. Exchanging data on physical media.
      2. Local storage of massive amounts of data, such as all of your work files or entertainment media.


      Frankly, there's nothing new about this way of working, except for people who are accustomed to carrying around hundreds of gigs of media files. The Air fully supports the way most people already live and work. At my current job, we all have a laptop, and most of us have a desktop, too. I've been there for nine months and haven't seen a single person use optical media, except for a few people who bring music CDs to work instead of ripping them to a player. We store email and working copies of files on our hard drives, and everything else on servers. Now that I think about it, none of us use wired ethernet for our laptops, either. (The only reason email is stored on our local disks is to encourage its deletion, for the standard corporate legal reasons.)

      I admit that most of the people I work with would still call a laptop without an ethernet port or an optical media drive "useless", even though they never use them. Perception lags behind reality in this case. The Air is aimed at people who are in touch with the way they live and aren't scared of losing features they stopped using years ago.
    29. Re:FunctionForm by try_anything · · Score: 1
      Weight is extremely important and was probably the primary target -- hence the name "Air". As for the thickness, yes, it does matter. When your briefcase is shoved between your feet in coach, or stuck between your body and the side of a subway car, or crammed full of books and papers, it does matter how thick your laptop is. If image is important to you (which it probably is if you buy Apple) or important to your career (which it definitely is if you don't have to fly coach) then, well, I'm pretty poor at that kind of thing myself, but I know that slimmer is better. So in that case...

      People with really thin briefcases and large piles of money?

      Exactly :-)
  6. weight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air." HA!

    1. Re:weight? by pelrun · · Score: 1

      I thought Lenovo already had heavy competition for the Air... have you tried to lift a Thinkbook recently? Ouch!

  7. Missing features... by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunately much to the chagrin of the Gizmodo reporter, tv-b-gone remotes don't seem to have any effect on the new laptop.

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  8. why are thinkpads so ugly? by drtsystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

    1. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Grey_14 · · Score: 1

      I like how they look, it's look functional and simple. what's so wrong with that?

    2. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by phoxix · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

      Ugly?

      Some of us think the black boxy design is incredibly sexy. The design behind the Thinkpad is based of the elegant design of the Japanese Bento Box. One of think Thinkpads is even on permanent display at New York Museum of Modern Art!

      The day these machines stop being black and boxy is the day many of us stop buying them.

    3. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by toppavak · · Score: 1

      The day these machines stop being black and boxy is the day many of us stop buying them. I know that a lot of my friends were outraged when they started selling them in silver. I just ain't a thinkpad if it ain't black.
    4. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by eMartin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, but one thing i don't like is the cluttered keyboard.

      My Macbook Pro's keyboard does all that I need in both OS X and Windows, and doesn't have all of the extra keys and extra writing on them that the Thinpads do.

    5. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by asc99c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lenovo do have some nicer looking laptops with glossy coatings everywhere. One thing I've noticed though, is that the Lenovo / IBM look is a very durable look. The nearly black, matte mottled surface doesn't show fingerprints, scratches or grime and the plastic is the same colour underneath the surface.

      My laptop is about a year old and only travels occasionally. It looks great except for all the scratches, discolouration, chips etc. Unless you always store your laptop in a padded laptop bag, in a separate compartment from the power adaptor and other accessories it will only stay pretty a few months.

      You can just throw a Lenovo in the boot every day and a couple years later it will come out looking the same - see your comment above :)

    6. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, they rolled what was in the Z series into the T series, quality going by the wayside.

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    7. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

      i happen to like a laptop that doesnt capture my attention as its user. the most useful thing a machine can do for me is disappear so that i'm focused. i find that glossy screens, reflective surfaces, and blinking lights may be pretty on the shelf, but are just distracting when it comes time to do some serious work. add to that a responsive keyboard and nimble trackpoint and theres no reason to look at the thinkpad itself in the first place, instead of what you are trying to do with it. i'm happier with a laptop focused on performance and efficient ease of use--making me the star of the show.

    8. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. The thinkpad design to me is gorgeous. I love the sharp lines.

    9. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by value_added · · Score: 1

      One thing I've noticed though, is that the Lenovo / IBM look is a very durable look. The nearly black, matte mottled surface doesn't show fingerprints, scratches or grime and the plastic is the same colour underneath the surface.

      Generally, yes, but that's not entirely correct. The color/finish of the keys reflects light to the point of glare when using the built-in light thingy, and keyboard wear is more noticeable because the lettering is white against black. Moreover, lint, dust, dead skin, and in my case, dog hair and the ash from an occasional cigarette, are especially noticeable.

      That said, I wouldn't trade it for the world.

      As for the OP comment about being "ugly", well, my tastes are probably as refined as Steve Job's are (though I bought a Miele vacuum cleaner (for the dog hair) and not a Miele washer/dryer set), but to my mind, the Thinkpad is what a non-toy laptop should look like. In fact, if you ever see a girl sitting in a Starbucks using a Thinkpad like I did recently, you could almost call it "sexy".

    10. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by slap20 · · Score: 0

      I personally love the look of the Thinkpads. I am still using my 400mhz Thinkpad 390X, I just can't part with it. I have newer faster laptops these days, but I can always find time to use the Thinkpad. I don't want to be distracted by a million things on a laptop, glossy screens flashing lights, I want to work and get sh$t done.

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    11. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Agreed. White, round and shiny is good if you're buying an egg, not a laptop. Oh great now I have visions of a twit in a black turtleneck pulling an egg out of a manila envelope. Yoke included, but not the eggwhite. Price only $20 per egg. *shudder*

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    12. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded. It is bad enough that they dropped the colors in the Ultranav buttons, and a Lenovo Japanese thinkpad engineer (yes, one of the people who really design these, not the useless drones you can reach in Sales or Tech support) told me they got a lot of complains about the color change, too, so I hope they will find a way to save face AND get the colors back soon.

      I pick laptops like I picked my wife-to-be: durable, intelligence over beauty in the design (but still looking damn good!), a lot more than just what you can see from the outside, trustable and someone you can count on when you really need it. That means I go for ThinkPads when I want a laptop.

      If I picked what most other laptop vendors offer (*especially* Apple), that would mean I would have chosen an airhead shallow bimbo for a wife. Someone who I couldn't talk to, and not good for anything but to show around as a trophy wife, and I would probably have to ditch her for a *real* woman sooner or later. Or she would leave me for someone with more money when I needed her most.

      Reading the gizmodo(sp?) board, it is easy to see most of the people complaining about the X300 are just lesser laptop users.

      The real professional laptop warriors know exactly why a thinkpad looks like it does (and why shiny round crap that don't fit right where you need it to, with glossy displays that are a major pain to use under adverse light conditions is something only the amateurs go for).

      Let's not get into that useless waste of keyboard realspace of that windows key.

      Long live the ThinkPad. Too bad it now has marketing model names (like the ThinkPad Reserve Edition, which should have been named ThinkPad X61). Well, if that's going to be the only thing Lenovo will screw up, it is a fair trade.

      ThinkPads are the ultimate in sexyness that comes along with excelent content.

    13. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Flavio · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything you say, but the Thinkpad's looks don't seem to be very popular, at least in my experience. I've had people exclaim "wow, it has wireless internet?", thinking my T42 was some sort of museum piece.

      I'd only trade my Thinkpad for another, newer Thinkpad. It's simple, lightweight, elegant and extremely reliable.

    14. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by manekineko2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yow! I think that's just the first time I've ever seen someone not like the keyboards on Thinkpads.

    15. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      Sorry that just because the damn thing doesn't glow or have spinners it doesn't fit into your idea of beauty. Be more accepting of other cultures, including the mainstream culture of your own land.

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    16. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I have two laptops, a Mac and a ThinkPad (R31). The Mac I bought new, and treat with respect. The ThinkPad I bought second hand and really don't. It's been dropped off the top of a chest of draws (while compiling) onto a hard floor, stood on, kicked, and generally abused. The Mac has been in for repairs a few times. The ThinkPad stubbornly refuses to die (although I did manage to snap the trackpoint off recently).

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    17. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by rilister · · Score: 3, Informative

      The original old ThinkPad design is the one in MOMA - designed by Richard Sapper.
      http://images.businessweek.com/ss/05/10/richard_sapper/index_01.htm

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad
      It's a nicely detailed design. His most famous design would be the Tizio lamp, as seen in flash offices in movies from the 80's:
      http://land.liquid-light.org/tizio/tizio-treff.jpg
      You can kinda see the same aesthetic carrying over: simple, straight lines, technical, precise.

      Sapper is an interesting guy - no industrial design training, just picked it up and got world famous.

      Since then, IBM/Lenovo seem to have diluted the original design intent until now all you've got is the fact that it's black and boxy. I don't think they really understood the design language they inherited, and most of the stuff in the ThinkPad line is just darn hideous. Lines and edges all over the place, arbitrarily mixed with curves (NO curves in the original). The fact they claim lineage in that he 'influences' their current design doesn't convince me he actually creates it.

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    18. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ignoring the fact that bento boxes and Thinkpads are designed for completely different things (bento boxes are carried flat, laptops are carried vertical), this is still just ... weird.

      I'm a huge fan of Japanese art, and I never made the connection -- probably because Thinkpads only resemble bento boxes in the most superficial way: they're black and boxy.
      - Bentos usually have only a deep, subtle red. Thinkpads are littered with garish yellow, red, green, blue, and white paint and stickers.
      - Bentos are often symmetric, or at least visually balanced. Thinkpads have a strong asymmetry.
      - Bentos are solid and low, embodying what I've heard the Japanese call "weight underside". Thinkpads have a big overhanging rim on the display.

      The idea that IBM's Thinkpad was inspired by a bento box just gives me more reason to believe that they really don't understand design. It's like saying "my Cuisinart was inspired by a katana -- they're both metal and sharp!". Sure, they've got 2 attributes in common, but "elegance" is one attribute you didn't manage to copy. You can even get bentos which are neither square nor black -- these are not the defining attributes of bento-ness.

      The day these machines stop being black and boxy is the day many of us stop buying them.

      I remember people saying the same thing (but "tan") about Volvos. But when Volvo started making non-square cars, people seemed to realize that "square" was not the defining attribute of a Volvo -- things like "safety", "solid build", and "reliability" were. Square was simply the style Volvo happened to use for the time.

      Are blue jeans and a t-shirt my defining qualities? No, "casual dress" is. If I was living in feudal Japan or ancient Egypt, I'd be dressing very differently -- but still casually. Style and design are not the same thing.

      I hope that someday they realize that "black and boxy" are not the defining attributes of a Thinkpad, but rather "solid build" and "reliability" are, and that they will make a Thinkpad which actually resembles a bento box. (It can even be black and boxy, though it doesn't have to be.) I'd buy one then!
    19. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Techman83 · · Score: 1

      Because they instantly recognised as an IBM that way, A business can pick up an IBM and know that what comes with it is Quality, Reliability and Great support. Pricey yes, but that's only initially. The money they save IT departments in support costs way outweighs any initial costs.

      * Disclaimer: Use mainly IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads at current workplace, but notebook Technician for years now including many other brands.

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    20. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. White, round and shiny is good if you're buying an egg, not a laptop. Oh great now I have visions of a twit in a black turtleneck pulling an egg out of a manila envelope. Yoke included, but not the eggwhite. Price only $20 per egg. *shudder*
      WTF are you babbling about?
    21. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can just throw a Lenovo in the boot every day and a couple years later it will come out looking the same You must have huge feet if you can fit a laptop in your boot!
    22. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      What difference does it make what it looks like? I love thinkpads the way they are. No shiny, rounded multi-colored children's toy-looking plastic, no obnoxious blue LEDs, no 400 useless multimedia keys... pure function, exactly what I want.

    23. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      In fact, if you ever see a girl sitting in a Starbucks using a Thinkpad like I did recently, you could almost call it "sexy".

      What do you mean, 'almost'?

    24. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love my T41. I wish I could get another like it but with better specs.

    25. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by DemENtoR · · Score: 1

      I own a z61t and the only cluter on the keyboard to me are the sound up/down/mute keys, but only breause I don't use my self. But as far as the keyboard goes, I think thinkpads have the best laptop keyboards hands down. I can be using desktops, other laptops for a month and no matter to which thinkpad I sit down to, my fingers are always at home.

    26. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad


      Why does it need to look different? You need designs that change yearly for no particularly good reason, go to fashion shows. You need showy equipment to pump your image, go buy a Porsche. I'm more interested in how well the hardware works.

    27. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by masdog · · Score: 1

      This! If I had mod points, I would definitely mod you up for that analogy. Even my girlfriend laughed when I read it to her.

    28. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by tecmec · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean. To people who know Thinkpads, Thinkpads are beautiful. To the regular public, they are ugly. They have always looked the same so people think they are all old. I think this works out well for Thinkpad owners. You may have a very nice and expensive laptop, but nobody will want to steal it. The thief will opt for the flashy (and crappy) HP.

    29. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by carlos_c · · Score: 1

      You must have huge feet if you can fit a laptop in your boot!

      in UK english boot = trunk
    30. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by RedBear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of us think the black boxy design is incredibly sexy. I don't think the ugliness I see comes from the black boxy design of the outside, which isn't too bad. It's kind of nice all closed up, except for that stupid multi-colored logo on top. But when you open it up the damn thing is full of various holes, marks and different colored buttons that make it look almost like they forgot to put the final case on it. Personally when I opened the linked article the first thought that came to mind was, "How do they manage to make these things so damn ugly?!" with the next thought being that this fancy new ultra-special, ultra-light laptop looks just like every ugly ThinkPad I've seen for at least ten years. But I guess I may have been corrupted by my iBook and MacBook.

      I know ThinkPads are being marketed mainly to businesses, but business users are still people, and by a large majority most people seem to appreciate cleaner looking designs. It would behoove Lenovo to come up with an alternate design to compete better against the Apple laptops that even business users are buying in droves these days. You can bet your booty there will be a ton of business "frequent flyer" and presenter types that will be buying the new MacBook Air despite all it's technical shortcomings. A large part of their reason for choosing the MacBook Air will be the sleek, uncomplicated design. I don't care how technically awesome and super-light this new ThinkPad is, there are a lot of people like me who would much rather lug around a MacBook Pro than be forced to use something so ugly. The GP post was right, it still looks like it was made in 1995. I can't see how anyone would think that's good marketing. Except for die-hard ThinkPad fans, of course.

      Yes, ugly is in the eye of the beholder. But there is a reason people are buying Macs by the millions, and shockingly the software is only part of it.

    31. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a smart move by Lenovo, if you ask me, as it is geared towards the types that are already more likely to by a Thinkpad to begin with. Apple's already got the sleek/hipster market all tied up, so why not chase after another set of users? So instead of competing head to head with Apple, Lenovo is targetting the more practical users, the ones that want a tool with the features they need to get stuff done, rather than some form-over-function fashion accessory like the Macbook Air.

      Besides, if you ask me, the Thinkpads look far nicer than the Apple laptops anyway, which to me are ugly bland slabs with a giant Apple logo plastered on the back. But that's more a matter of opinion.

    32. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by CandyMan · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear!

      If Batman had a laptop, it would be black and bad. It could be curvy and organic, like a Wallstreet/Pismo era powerbook, true. But more recently I have ben given to think that if Batman had a laptop, it would be a Thinkpad.

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  9. MacBook and ThinkPad not really competing by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are of course people going for the specs, but they are just as much about branding. The target markets has very little overlap.

    The guy on the Gizmondo blog that compared it with Volvo vs Porche got it right (a car analogy always helps :-), someone in the market for a new Volvo is unlikely to be swayed by a Porche, and vice versa.

    The rest of the bloggers aso got it right, they focused on how ugly, boring, old fashioned, and conservative the Thinkpad looked (it looked like every other Thinkpad), which is exactly what the Thinkpad market wants. They don't want something looking flimsy and flashy as they would consider the MacBook Air to look.

    1. Re:MacBook and ThinkPad not really competing by smtrembl · · Score: 1

      Please, mod the parent up! As a designer, I for one, highly regard the modern style of thinkpads as superior to the ephemeral flash of super-glamorous apples (so fast rotten...)

  10. Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see any mention of price! Does anyone else see it?

    Also, there are 4 images: 1,2,4,5. I guess price was listed on image 3. Huh.

  11. yes... by band-aid-brand · · Score: 1

    but does it have an LAN port? Or more than one usb port?

    Those are the two things that really turned me off on the air, in addition to the poor specs for the price.

    1. Re:yes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes - it even has a modem port.

      Yes - it has three (3) USB ports.

      I'm impressed that there are more ports (and a DVD burner!) on this thinner model than on my x61s.

      However, I suspect that they bulked out the planar dimensions some (and added a touchpad. Grrr...). Not to mention the likely price. Or the fact that this is possibly vaporware, given its following the Air so quickly and also the huge number of typos and inconsistencies in the evidence.

    2. Re:yes... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Look on the left side of your X61s.

      There should be another USB port over there, for a total of three. ;)

      (I've got an X61 Tablet, which is basically just a heavier X61s with a swiveling screen and a built-in Wacom. Oh, yeah, and the screen can be 1400x1050 on the tablet.)

  12. No pricing, no game by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air.

    It can't be a competitor until Lenovo releases pricing, and I doubt Lenovo considers the very niche-market Macbook Air to be a competitor. Also, Apple's shipping units in a week or two, and Lenovo hasn't officially announced their product yet (and they missed doing so at CES, not a good sign.)

    I know it's hard to resist the comparison, but just because they're both ultralight doesn't mean they're competitors. Successful products are either better than their competition (win your battles), or they put themselves in a [large enough] niche market not filled by competitors (pick your battles.)

    1. Re:No pricing, no game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it bad for them not to have announced their product at CES? I think it's better to announce it after the MacBook Air was announced (as there were rumors from before CES that Apple was going to release a very thin-profile notebook), because their machine compares quite favorably -- especially if the Lenovo machine ends up being cheaper even with the SSD standard, which I fully expect it to be.

      Just because Lenovo is targeting business customers doesn't mean those business customers, especially IT directors and CTOs, aren't aware of the MacBook Air. They might think "Wow, that's a neat machine," and then Lenovo announces that they are putting out a business-class thin-profile notebook less than a week later. That's exciting.

    2. Re:No pricing, no game by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Someone at Lenovo LEAKED information, Lenovo didn't announce it.

  13. Ultralight 2.5 pound by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

    At a glance, some of the major features include [...] an ultralight 2.5 pound form factor

    Good it's not one of those ultraheavy 2.5 pound laptops.

  14. Is it actually a Thinkpad? by toppavak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who's used IBM Thinkpads for a while, I have to ask: is it actually a Thinkpad, or is it based on Lenovo's own designs (like the ideapad)? If it comes with the titanium-alloy reinforced case, the HDAPS and support from IBM's standard thinkpad support line I'm sold. If not... *shrug*

    A quick glance at the picture suggests it could be either way- it has the keyboard light that most thinkpad users come to love and adore yet the screen hinge looks plastic instead of the heavy duty metal hinges that give thinkpads that smooth and secure feel while adjusting the screen you just don't see with most other laptops.

    1. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point. I think the quality of Thinkpads has gone down a bit.

      I've had various Thinkpads over the years. The current one is a T60 from Lenovo and I don't like the build quality at all. Little things like the LCD leaking backlight because the bezel is not fitted well and most of the stickers on the bottom are crooked (they look like there were attached by a three-year old).

      The materials and design might be the same as IBM, but the quality isn't the same.

    2. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      You forgot the option of S-IPS. Once you've become the many to own one with it, you don't go back.

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    3. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If a Genie from Lenovo is listening:

      Please get rid of the stupid window keys and useless finger print readers. Thinkpads were amoung the last holdouts on earth for windows keys. It was a very good design tradeoff given the space constraints remaping one of the redundant ctrl/alt keys makes perfect sense. The fingerprint readers should be **optional on all models**

      Please don't skimp on quality to lower the cost of your BOM or get rid of the 14.1 (non widescreen) XGA format. People pay more for the thinkpad line because of quality and deserve to get something for it.

      Dual core CPUs are useless for notebooks and just suck more battery life with little or no returns for average use. Please keep low power single core options alive.

      Don't ever even even think about getting rid of the red button mouse but DO seriously concider removing the useless trackpad.

      Dual hotswap (Everything is SATA nowadays anyway) HDD slots for redundancy with some sort of release button with optional locking screw - rather than screws to easily swap HDD. I want to be able to replace a failed drive without rebooting.

      Ability to have more than 4 GB RAM.

    4. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
      As someone who's used IBM Thinkpads for a while, I have to ask: is it actually a Thinkpad, or is it based on Lenovo's own designs (like the ideapad)? If it comes with the titanium-alloy reinforced case, the HDAPS and support from IBM's standard thinkpad support line I'm sold. If not... *shrug*

      According to TFA the top is carbon fibre, the base is magnesium alloy. That is the same as regular Thinkpads. Its a functional choice.

      I suspect that they have other models comming out, they just decided to leak the model they had planned that looks closest to the Apple Air.

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    5. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All I need to know: It's got the trackpoint! That means I want it. But moreso, that means it's likely to be pretty Thinkpad-y.

    6. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by sk999 · · Score: 1

      <>

      Yes, yes, yes!!! My X60s actually doesn't have the finger print reader, but the addition of 4 useless "windows keys" all in the same row complete screws up the ctrl/alt/arrow keys.

    7. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by Eil · · Score: 1

      yet the screen hinge looks plastic instead of the heavy duty metal hinges that give thinkpads that smooth and secure feel while adjusting the screen you just don't see with most other laptops.

      There really isn't a large enough picture of the X300 available to get a really good look at the hinges, but from the pictures that Gizmodo published, they look like metal to me. They will probably be smaller than what people are used to on the ThinkPad, but the whole machine is going to be smaller too.

    8. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by syncrotic · · Score: 1

      Winkey, agreed.

      Everything else:
      -It's not like the fingerprint reader gets in the way. You don't have to use it if you don't want to.
      -You may like the nipple, but many people, myself included, don't. I won't buy a laptop without a touchpad; I'm not alone.
      -More than 4GB of RAM would require more than two memory slots (impractical) or 4GB SODIMMs (not yet available).
      -You can't hotswap your boot drive. I mean, there's nothing at the hard disk level that prevents it, but how are an OS and its applications supposed to keep functioning when the drive on which they reside disappears? That said, secondary drives should indeed be hot-swappable, like the optical drives already are.
      -14.1" XGA? You mean 1024x768? That's not even a usable resolution these days. If you mean that Lenovo should keep a 14.1" 4:3 aspect ratio display, I'm with you here. Lenovo is at the mercy of its component suppliers: widescreen is in (sadly), and there's just not enough demand for 4:3 panels, much less in an uncommon size and at a high resolution.
      -I wouldn't give up dual core, and intel's power management is good enough that the marginal power draw of the second CPU is quite minimal.

      What they do need to fix: the battery management for secondary LiPo batteries. A new battery lasts about 30 discharge cycles before becoming useless - the idiots that designed the firmware made it so that the battery is fully discharged every single time.

    9. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by darkwhite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please get rid of the stupid window keys Says you. The Windows key is indispensable in Windows and is very useful in Linux. I find myself wishing my old Thinkpad keyboards had them. If you're upset over the smaller Ctrl or Alt, just remap the Windows key to one of them.

      and useless finger print readers What's your problem with the fingerprint readers? They cost like 10 dollars extra and you don't have to use them.

      don't ... get rid of the 14.1 (non widescreen) XGA format. It's not the aspect ratio but the display quality that matters to most people. I personally have no idea why anyone whose vision is not seriously impaired would use a 1024x768 screen on a 14.1" panel. I'm fine with the lower resolution being there as long as there's a high resolution option, but to call it an aspect of "quality" that people "deserve" is a little silly.

      Dual core CPUs are useless for notebooks and just suck more battery life with little or no returns for average use. Now you're just being silly. You probably haven't noticed that single-core CPUs are now fringe low-end bin parts which are actually dual-cores with one core disabled and won't be seen in higher-end laptop designs at all anymore. You also probably don't know that dual-core CPUs consume far less than twice their single-core counterparts; that the two cores are kept plenty busy with an average user's workload; that one core takes over the other's cache while the other is idle; and that by working together to run a bunch of threads that are woken all at once by modern kernels, dual-core designs can significantly improve C3/C4 sleep time compared to single core, reducing overall power consumption.

      Don't ever even even think about getting rid of the red button mouse but DO seriously concider removing the useless trackpad. Here we go with the "keep the features I want, remove the features most of the market wants" again. If there's space for the trackpad, what's your problem with it? If there's no space, they have been known to remove it.

      Dual hotswap (Everything is SATA nowadays anyway) HDD slots for redundancy with some sort of release button with optional locking screw - rather than screws to easily swap HDD. I want to be able to replace a failed drive without rebooting. Almost nobody wants two HDDs in a laptop; nobody will ever hotswap a failed HDD out of a laptop without rebooting. A lot more people have use for an optical drive for a laptop (I usually don't). No screws = lost structural integrity. Guess what happens when that hotswap HDD cage falls corner first from a table 3 feet high onto the office floor? That said, HDD hotswap in Ultrabay has been possible forever, whether PATA or SATA.

      My biggest beef with this design is the small form factor HDD instead of the standard 2.5" form factor and the optical drive bay, which I have a use for but which I'd rather not be there at all to save space for the battery and add rigidity to the chassis.
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    10. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thing has an SSD, it has no need for HDAPS.

    11. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by jdowland · · Score: 1

      What would be an "actual" thinkpad in your book? When Lenovo bought the name, they also bought the entirety of the technical and design teams behind it. The same people are working on the X41+ as were under IBM's brand.

    12. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it comes with the titanium-alloy reinforced case, the HDAPS and support from IBM's standard thinkpad support line I'm sold. If not... *shrug*

      So if it doesn't have HDAPS for the SSD, you're out? Huh.
  15. Competition for MacBook Air how? by Schmool · · Score: 1

    With specs like a LED backlit 1440X900 screen, Santa Rosa 2, and a 64 GB SSD, this thing is going to be nowhere close to the MBA's price point. The supposed battery life of 4 hours doesn't make me hopeful either -- manufacturers tend to lie, er, be overly optimistic about these things. This thing will be in a totally different market. Like, for users who love spending >$4000 on their laptop and having it plugged it permanently.

    1. Re:Competition for MacBook Air how? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Like, for users who love spending >$4000 on their laptop and having it plugged it permanently.

      Which is the whole problem with spending >$4000 on a laptop. With something that expensive, who wants to risk carrying it around with them? It might get dropped or stolen.

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    2. Re:Competition for MacBook Air how? by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      We all know that the MBA's specs are totally different than the ones you quoted and that Apple would never lie about their claimed 5 hour battery life, right? Totally different market indeed!

      The MBA's market is the affluent poser who would sacrifice everything (for he needs nothing) in order to run the latest prestige product. Lenovo's market is the real ultralight user.

  16. Target Market by konohitowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's only competition for the Airbook (yes - I know it's a "MacBook Air") if the intent of the Airbook was to lure droves of Windows users. As to the idea that it was "leaked" - please - this was nothing more than a press release in the guise of a leak. It was stunningly reminiscent of the Windows "yeah - we've got that too - next week! - so don't go anywhere" tactic.

    1. Re:Target Market by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      since you called it the Airbook here is a pic I made for you. It should probably be the real logo. I would think about possibly thinking about buying one if that was on the back of the screen. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/thetick82/MacbookAir.jpg

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    2. Re:Target Market by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      Sweet! I really got a good laugh out of that. Nice job.

  17. 13" is too big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just got my first laptop recently, and its 14" screen makes it too top heavy to, well, sit on your lap properly. A friend's 12" laptop seems to work just fine for sitting nicely, partially because its a bit thicker than the average laptop. I don't like this new form factor standard. It seems more like the opposite of what my experience says is practical.

  18. Behold! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Informative

    But does it run OS X? The Mighty iATKOS!

    Black Air.
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    1. Re:Behold! by rxmd · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Mighty iATKOS!

      OS X Intel does not work all that well on Thinkpads if you actually want to use them as a laptop. It installs just fine and some people actually use theirs that way. However, sleep mode doesn't work due to an incompatibility between OS X and the Thinkpad's ACPI implementation regarding power states S1 vs. S3; the computer will fail to wake up and give a BIOS error message that the system configuration has been tampered with, after which you need to go into BIOS setup, go out again and boot normally.

      It would be sleek to have OS X reliably working on Thinkpads, but without sleep mode, the whole laptop thing kind of loses its point.
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    2. Re:Behold! by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Depends on how long you want it in standby. I had OSx86 Tiger on my school Thinkpad last year (T60 I think), and it allowed me to leave my MBP in the room. While it had a crappy screen, it was much easier to carry around and more comfortable to use, not to mention much better battery life. While I experienced those same standby issues, I just disabled standby on closing the lid and carrying it between classes wasn't a problem, even if you couldn't leave it on all night.

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    3. Re:Behold! by caseih · · Score: 1

      Sounds like most people's experience with Linux on any laptop, even the thinkpad. I have many friends that have thinkpads and love them, and run Linux on them, but none of them have basic things like sleep working. Hibernate to disk doesn't cut it. Does Linux work on *any* current laptop out of the box (Ubuntu or Fedora)? Can I just close my lid and have it sleep and then wake it in a couple of seconds and resume where I left off? Can the battery life under Linux be as good as in Windows (yeah, even Vista) or OS X?

    4. Re:Behold! by marcell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Can I just close my lid and have it sleep and then wake it in a couple of seconds and resume where I left off?

      works for me on t41. linux 2.6.23-rt1 with default acpi support on gentoo distribution.

      > Does Linux work on *any* current laptop out of the box (Ubuntu or Fedora)?

      on many laptops. but running 'out of the box' for many ppl is not what they want. they want to customize their box and adopt it to their needs. something very hard to understand for FUDers like you....

    5. Re:Behold! by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      Huh?

      And I thought the thinkpads were praised precisely because they do support these things (suspend-to-ram) under linux?

    6. Re:Behold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife has a MacBook running OSX. I have a T60 running Ubuntu. My wife covets my laptop. Nuff said.

    7. Re:Behold! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      I have an X300.

      But it's racing green. 12 cylinders. Made by Jaguar.

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    8. Re:Behold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a T61 and both sleep and hibernate work fine. It takes about 3-4 seconds to wake up when when I open the lid.

    9. Re:Behold! by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1

      Both my T40 and T60 suspend to RAM without a hitch using Gentoo.

    10. Re:Behold! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I have two Dell laptops (one new and one a few years old) where I've installed Ubuntu. Not only did everything (wireless, display, wifi, etc.) 'just work' but also sleep and hibernate... ymmv but I'm very happy. (BTW, to answer your question about battery life, it seems to be as good or better but I haven't done any formal testing.)

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    11. Re:Behold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife covets my laptop.


      Your "wife" also covets a large nigger dick instead of your tiny lil' lifeless earthworm. 0wned.

  19. 4 hours of battery life not enough by prk_inc · · Score: 1

    for long flights. This is even more important now that the TSA in USA does not allow spare laptop batteries on board.

    1. Re:4 hours of battery life not enough by necro81 · · Score: 1
      Your information is faulty. From the TSA website:

      * Under the new rules, you can bring batteries with up to 8-gram equivalent lithium content. All lithium ion batteries in cell phones are below 8 gram equivalent lithium content. Nearly all laptop computers also are below this quantity threshold.
      * You can also bring up to two spare batteries with an aggregate equivalent lithium content of up to 25 grams, in addition to any batteries that fall below the 8-gram threshold. Examples of two types of lithium ion batteries with equivalent lithium content over 8 grams but below 25 are shown below.

      They point out that 8-gram equivalent lithium content is approximately 100 W-hr, 25-gram equivalent is about 300 W-hr. Laptop batteries these days are usually in the 30-50 W-hr range, so under the new rules you'd be able to bring your laptop, with its primary battery, plus two rather large spare batteries, and still be under their limits. It is basically a non-issue for 99.9% of travelers that bring and user their computer. The TSA limitations are mostly on lithium and lithium-ion batteries in checked baggage, where it wouldn't do you any good anyway.
  20. lenovo already has ultralight... by sentientbrendan · · Score: 4, Informative

    >If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air

    Lenovo already has a computer in the ultralight space, the X61. The X61 has almost identical specs to the macboook air, at a much lower price and significantly higher clockspeed.

    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3765

    Looking at this new machine, I really like that they've lowered the weight more and slightly increased the screen size; however, I have to wonder what the point of a 1440X900 resolution is at 13' inches.

    I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space.

    The third issue with the new spec, is that it is still VGA output instead of DVI output. Pretty much all modern monitors have DVI inputs, so I don't see the point of going with the old standard.

    Finally, I'm not convinced of the benefits of a flash harddrive. If they are saving weight, that's nice (although I'm not sure they are lighter). However, it's a pretty small drive, and it is a myth that flash drives are faster. Flash drives have better random access, but slower sequential access, and most accesses are sequential. Things are going to seem *slower* moving to flash, not faster.

    1. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by beelsebob · · Score: 0, Redundant
      I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space.

      Wait... what planet do you live on? I mean seriously, I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad. Especially when it's one of apple's excellent multi-touch trackpads.

    2. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The third issue with the new spec, is that it is still VGA output instead of DVI output. Pretty much all modern monitors have DVI inputs, so I don't see the point of going with the old standard.
      ThinkPads are heavily targeted at business users, who are far more likely to connect them to projectors than to hi-res monitors. Since lots of projectors don't have DVI, they'd have to carry a dongle all the time.
    3. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Nicky+G · · Score: 1

      But it's more than twice as thick, and Apple is marketing the Air at people who want thin. Agree or disagree, but it's not a direct competitor at more than twice as thick.

    4. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Trackpad/trackpoint is a matter of preference, they don't even function in similar regimes. No pointing device is for everyone. Sometimes I've used both within minutes of each other on my Compaq. I don't see it as one as so superior that the other shouldn't exist, I think that's a silly claim.

      I agree on the flash drive, they're mostly hype with respect to weight, power and heat. Where a flash drive is beneficial is if it's dropped, the flash is more likely to stay.\

      I'm not that convinced of the "wear leveling" algorithms that the drives have either, I'm not sure if the tests or algorithm reflects real-world use.

    5. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by setirw · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad.

      So *that's* why geeks have such a hard time getting laid...

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    6. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by josephdrivein · · Score: 1

      I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space. Can you please elaborate? I've never seen anybody using the nipple. I attempted to use it more than once but it feels weird and it's really slow and imprecise.

      Is there something to know to effectively use those things?
    7. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ever meet me, that will change.

      Although I do 3 the multi-touch Apple touchpad, I'm even happier with a nipple. My latest thinkpad came with some alternative nipples, one of which resembles the "finger well" on certain optical mouse scroll wheels. That did a lot to help with the finger-wear I get from the standard pointer.

      My favorite thing about nipples is that you can use it to easily apply "full force" to the pointer without dragging your arm or changing mouse settings. You can then do precision work with the mouse or even with the nipple itself just by using a lighter touch. In short, the "dynamic range" of a nipple is far superior to a touchpad. This is why I 3 it.

    8. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by killerofkiller · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? ask any thinkpad user and they will tell you that the trackpoint is superior to the trackpad

    9. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 1

      I mean seriously, I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad. Especially when it's one of apple's excellent multi-touch trackpads.

      You have now met me. The benefit of not moving your hands from the keyboard to move the mouse is excellent for saving hand stress and time. Oh, and the GP of course.

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    10. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Justus · · Score: 1

      Years ago (about 1998-1999), I played Team Fortress Classic on my Thinkpad with the trackpoint (nipple). It does actually work fairly well once you get used to it, and for some time afterward I preferred it to the touch pad. I seem to recall early touch pad implementations to be somewhat poor, as well, at least compared to the Thinkpad I was used to; this has undoubtedly improved since then.

      My current laptop is a Macbook Pro, and I use the multitouch scrolling and context-sensitive click capabilities of it frequently enough that I don't think a trackpoint would be effective for it. If the hardware had two discrete buttons and some capability for scrolling with the trackpoint, I would probably want one of them over the touch pad.

    11. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by darjen · · Score: 1

      You can scroll with the Thinkpad's nipple if you hold down the middle button above the trackpad. Quite handy on my Thinkpad T60.

    12. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I love having a machine with a trackpoint. It's really great for UI testing. You can tell when a UI is bad very easily with a pointing device that hard to use. For real work though, I won't take anything over a multitouch trackpad. If it can't do horizontal scrolling, I don't want to know.

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    13. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by drgruney · · Score: 1

      I hate trackpads... even one of apple's excellent multi-touch trackpads.

      I much much prefer the nubb'n.

      I'm surprised there's not been a move to the nub now that widescreen monitors are so commonplace.

      What I really want is a monitor that's even closer in ratio size to that of a keyboard. Something closer to 2:1.

      Notebooks should be much wider than they are deep imho.

    14. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Guess you don't know too many people. Some people (like me) buy a Thinkpad specifically because we find trackpads hard to use but like the Trackpoint nipple.

    15. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by ozphx · · Score: 1

      I'm writing this on a dell latitude d830 - with a 1920x1200 15" screen. You do need to set the DPI settings to he correct value. Trying to pretend its a 72dpi screen is visual suicide. This text is small at 120dpi, but oh so smooth ;)

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    16. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      Another point i want to add is: Eventhoughmanynewbeamers have DVI input, the conference room wiring is still VGA only.

    17. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to wonder what the point of a 1440X900 resolution is at 13' inches. I guess some think 1920x1200 at that size would make text too small to read.
    18. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by spinctrl · · Score: 1

      When things get hot, the nipple starts to melt... 1440x900 isn't nearly enough definition.

    19. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by anno1a · · Score: 1

      I prefer the clit (Nipple/Trackpoint/whathaveyou). I find the touchpad incredibly annoying and much less efficient. But then, you haven't met me. The sad thing is that most people don't even know the clit. I always disable the touchpad because it's in the way when I use the keyboard. When people have to use my laptop they have no idea how to move the mouse. They know the touchpad, they have no idea what that little red thing is - they've never seen it before.

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    20. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a dell precision and my touchpad and it's associated left and right buttons are, and always have been, disabled. I'd rather use the worn down dell standard sand-paper nipple than the shitty touchpad. I *wish* i had one of those nice rubber nipples like the thinkpads come with.

    21. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Looking at this new machine, I really like that they've lowered the weight more and slightly increased the screen size; however, I have to wonder what the point of a 1440X900 resolution is at 13' inches. If we scale WUXGA (1920x1200) from 15.4 to 13.3, we would almost precisely get WSXGA (1680x1050) instead. This still means a lower dot-pitch than on my current 15.4 machine, and if I could get a 14.1 one with a 1920x1200 panel, I would do it in a snap. An ultra-portable with a screen with reasonably high resolution is also something very attractive, 1280x800 feels extremely cramped.
    22. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by hrvatska · · Score: 1

      Wait... what planet do you live on? I mean seriously, I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad. Especially when it's one of apple's excellent multi-touch trackpads.

      You must not have known many thinkpad owners, then. I've known many people who owned thinkpads that had both trackpoints and touch pads, and they generally disable the touch pads.
    23. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by jfrelinger · · Score: 1

      Wait... what planet do you live on? I mean seriously, I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad. Especially when it's one of apple's excellent multi-touch trackpads.

      Hi my name is jfrelinger, it is nice to meet you.
      I prefer the track point to the track pad. I've got friends who prefer the track point to the track pad. They even went so far as to buy replacement parts for their thinkpads to remove the trackpad from theirs. The track point is a hundred times better interface then the track pad. I HATE the track pad. I'm always hitting it by accident with my thumb, moving the the mouse all over the place while I'm trying to type. The track point never gets hit by accident. The track point is also right there next to you index finger when its sitting on the home row typing, meaning I can move my finger and use the mouse with out having to pick up my whole and and move it about just to move the mouse. Every time I get a new laptop I play with the new features on the track pads (like multi touch) and with in a few month end up disabling it in the bios so it stops bothering me.

    24. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Wait... what planet do you live on? I mean seriously, I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad. Especially when it's one of apple's excellent multi-touch trackpads.
      I have a Thinkpad T30 that I've owned for five years. It has the eraser nub and the trackpad. I've worked very hard to use the trackpad to try and get used to it. I even made a conscious effort to use only the trackpad for about a month and a half. It just doesn't work for me. At this point I've given up on it and just use the eraser nub for everything. When I purchase a new laptop, the presence of the eraser nub will be a primary selling point for me.


      What is a multi-touch trackpad?

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    25. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by lnxpilot · · Score: 1

      I'm one: I hate trackpads with a vengeance and love trackpoints.

    26. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by swillden · · Score: 1

      I mean seriously, I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad.

      Then you've never met anyone who's used the trackpoint ("nipple") for more than a couple of hours.

      Everyone I know who has used a Thinkpad (and I know a lot of them) prefers the trackpoint. Lost of them (including me) actually *disable* the touchpad since it hardly ever gets used intentionally, and it often gets hit inadvertently.

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    27. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by pev · · Score: 1

      Finally, I'm not convinced of the benefits of a flash harddrive.

      Well, significantly better seek times lead to reduced impact of fragmention. Also SSD's are silent and have no moving parts hence less prone to mechanical failure. They also have no spin up/down time or power requirements. Sure the prices are high and the sequential read/write is worse but this will improve with time, demand and higher volume production.
    28. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by hahn · · Score: 1

      Looking at this new machine, I really like that they've lowered the weight more and slightly increased the screen size; however, I have to wonder what the point of a 1440X900 resolution is at 13' inches. A higher DPI is always a good thing in my opinion. It offers you more flexibility. For those times you need the extra resolution to display more of a photo or more of a webpage, it's there. For those times when the font is too small, just increase the size.

      I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space. I agree that they are better for fine control, but for getting across the screen quickly, a touch pad is better. Thus, Thinkpads with both have the best solution.

      The third issue with the new spec, is that it is still VGA output instead of DVI output. Pretty much all modern monitors have DVI inputs, so I don't see the point of going with the old standard. I agree with this, but I suspect the reason they didn't do it is because it is a business class notebook, which has less need for it. If they come out with an IdeaPad equivalent, it would probably have it (the U110 looks like it may come close, but with an 11" screen).

      Finally, I'm not convinced of the benefits of a flash harddrive. If they are saving weight, that's nice (although I'm not sure they are lighter). However, it's a pretty small drive, and it is a myth that flash drives are faster. Flash drives have better random access, but slower sequential access, and most accesses are sequential. Things are going to seem *slower* moving to flash, not faster. In real world usage, most tests that I've read about have shown flash drives to be faster at both booting up, and with applications. Regardless, my own personal preference for the flash drive is because of two reasons: better battery life (the harddrive uses quite a bit of a battery's power), and better drop damage resistance. I think it's inevitable that flash drives will overtake harddrives. It's just a matter of when.

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    29. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by spotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      people who learn how to use the trackpoint correctly, never go back.

      Having to take your fingers off the keyboard to use the mouse on a laptop is not ergonomic.

    30. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      It takes advantage of the features of a touchpad, to allow you to perform gestures - pinching and stretching to zoom out and in, rotating a finger around your thumb to rotate, stuff like that.

      I'd still rather have a TrackPoint, but that's a touchpad that I could actually tolerate.

    31. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Crank the sensitivity settings all the way up. (Both pointer speed and TrackPoint sensitivity.)

      Now the pointer will launch across the screen without too much input. Sounds like it reduces precision, but let me get to my next point.

      At work, we deployed a bunch of ThinkPad X61 Tablets, which don't have a touchpad. Many of our users had never even seen a TrackPoint before.

      Most of these users started flicking it. Flick, flick, flick. They'd launch the pointer 100 pixels at a time, and were very annoyed.

      Rest your finger on it, and apply light pressure in the direction you want to go. THAT works. Then, lift your finger when you're done, or it'll autocalibrate. (If you were using an older machine, though, TrackPoints have been known to wear out sometimes. Then, the overcalibration is overly sensitive, which results in unexpected (and usually completely opposite to the direction you want to go) movements if you want to move far at all.)

    32. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Yup, anything with a letter for the series (T, A, X, R, G, and Z) has a TrackPoint IV, which has a scroll button in the middle (I think IBM's buzzword for it is "Internet Scroll Bar." Hold it down, and in most apps, it acts as a four-way scroller. Without the TrackPoint driver, it acts as a middle button.

    33. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe. I'm using IBM stuff for the past 7 years and I can just live without TrackPoint. I have a fujitsy but only with touchpad and I never use it. I do a keyboard emulated mouse or a real mouse. My wife has an HP with both trackpoint and touchpad, and I could say HP broke the trackpoint down, by making it just a wire tick, and still using the caps designed for the square Ibm stick. I made a cap out of universal silicone myself and she uses it happily, and believe me, it means heavy - she is an architect. I'm a NOC engineer but sometimes I go out in the filed and having the smallest pointgin device when hanging 60-70 meters above the ground and having only one hand to hold the laptop and one hand to do repairs is a very nice thing.

      And actually in mu country we don't usually call it a nipple but we call it "pishka" - a little dick. Clit is reserved for the scrolwheels.

    34. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Cool, that might be worth checking out.

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    35. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Kopretinka · · Score: 1

      The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad

      Things are going to seem *slower* moving to flash, not faster.
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    36. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Wolvie+MkM · · Score: 1

      Keep at it, I had a Tecra 8000 that only had the nipple, up until then I hated them. Now I can't live without it. The only time the trackpad gets used on my T42 is if the gf is checking her e-mail.

      You can adjust the sensitivity of it too.

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    37. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by abhi_beckert · · Score: 1

      Finally, I'm not convinced of the benefits of a flash harddrive. If they are saving weight, that's nice (although I'm not sure they are lighter). However, it's a pretty small drive, and it is a myth that flash drives are faster. Flash drives have better random access, but slower sequential access, and most accesses are sequential. Things are going to seem *slower* moving to flash, not faster.


      From what I can see, the only disadvantage to an SSD/flash card is the price. Typical flash cards are slow and have very short lives, however I've seen articles on Toshiba's 64Gb and 128GB flash cards (the 64 GB one is in the mac book air, and perhaps this lenovo as well) that imply sequential read speeds of 100MB/sec and life times as long as 50 years under typical use.

      Even if those numbers are totally blown out of proportion, they are still far better than you can expect from the best hard drive. But the price is outrageously expensive, I would never buy anything with a large SSD card simply because I know they could drop the price by several hundred dollars simply by using a hard drive.

      But it's great to see they're starting to ship them, I'm happy to let the early adopters pay for the effort to make them cheaper.
    38. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by imemyself · · Score: 1

      The third issue with the new spec, is that it is still VGA output instead of DVI output. Pretty much all modern monitors have DVI inputs, so I don't see the point of going with the old standard.

      Yes, almost all monitors now have DVI input, but a lot of projectors still do not. Eventually, I'm sure that they will, but considering that Thinkpads are targeted towards business users, going with VGA is a no-brainer. People don't want to have to bring adapters and crap with them, and don't want to have to worry if their laptop will work with the projector wherever they are going.

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    39. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by foetusinc · · Score: 1

      Nice to meet you. Glad I could provide a new experience for you today.

    40. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Chonine · · Score: 1

      I agree with you mostly, you bring up interesting points, as a fellow thinkpad lover, this would be my devil's advocacy.

      I agree, the x61 already is impressive. I looked at widescreen as a gimmick for a few years, but after using one for a while, it truly is amazing. Its matched with our eyes and for a screen that may actually be physically smaller, the widescreen gives this psychological effect of being larger. I now prefer them. 1440x900 at that size isn't something I would demand, but I wouldn't turn it down either. Its about time that dot pitch on screens took a big improvement. More pixels are good, but we don't always want 30" screens. In the short term, the only downside is small fonts. Properly designed systems use the extra pixels to provide more detail on those fonts, and widgets, and icons. I think that with 22" screens becoming cheap, the monitor frontier will be dot pitch some time soon.

      Regarding the touch pads, I prefer the trackpad myself. But for others, this is a deal breaker. For first time thinkpad owners, you want to be able to just jump on board and touch a pad. Also, when using my thinkpad on the go, I like having both. I alternate between them as I fatigue in different ways. The r60e omits the touchpad as a cost cutting measure. Who knows if there would be an x300e (I doubt).

      DVI is the one last rediculous holdout and I hate it. I want a DVI thinkpad out without needing a dock. I trust that Lenovo is smarter than I am, and they do tons of market research. The official Lenovo blog site has discussed this. As best I recall, the home user would want DVI, but business users use that port for one thing - projectors. Lots and lots of projectors everywhere, almost all of them accept VGA. A DVI to VGA adapter is cheap and small, but having to remember it is enough of a burden for some people. Leaving that at home could mean your presentation doesn't get presented, and you lose your job. An x300 with DVI is pretty much my perfect laptop.

      Are you sure that most disk access is sequential? I was sure it was the other way around. Video editing, loading games, perhaps large audio or image work - sequential. But most usage, booting, running programs, internet use, programming even. Lots and lots of itty bitty files. An SSD effectively lets all of those files load as if it were one large one. The random access is so good, we can take a hit on sequential and it will still be better. Plus, modern SSDs have sequential access roughly that of a good hard disk. (Reading.... write is closing in too.)They ARE also lighter. In time, if something like a 1.8" format takes over (because the size of the SSD has no impact on the speed, unlike an HD), we can have such incredible weight and power savings if the entire computer is designed from the ground up to expect the thermal and shock tolerances of an SSD.

  21. Comptetion for the Air? by andreyw · · Score: 1

    Only if you intended to run your favorite FOSS *NIX or Windows on it in the first place.

    For those looking for OS X in a similar form factor won't be buying the Thinkpad. I thought that to be obvious.

  22. Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Funny

    why is one core 2.0 Ghz and the other 880 Mhz?

    looks lopsided to me = O o

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    1. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      Is that supposed to be funny? I can't tell without the mod points.

    2. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      just curious, i never owned a dual core CPU, and never did any research on them, is this normal for one to be greater than the other?

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    3. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by dn15 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dual-core CPUs are always (at least to my knowledge) the same speed in both cores. The "2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz" would be indicating that the processor is 2GHz with an 880MHz bus.

    4. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by russlar · · Score: 2, Informative

      2.0 GHz is the clock speed of each core. the 800 MHz is the front side bus.

      on multi-core processors, each core runs at the same clock speed. unless one of the cores burns out, in which case its clock speed becomes 0.

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    5. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      Not, it's not. The lesser number is the speed of the bus.

    6. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      This is true in the Intel world (I think), but a few other architectures have implementations that allow running multicore chips with different speeds. The idea is that you quite often have a single, single-threaded, process wanting to chew up all of your CPU time, and it makes sense to clock the other one down to save power while running the first one at full speed.

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    7. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To further clarify: both cores can run at the same maximum speed, but may run at different clock rates and voltages, with the newest even allowing one core to be oveclocked (in this example maybe 2.1 or 2.2GHz) if the other core is mostly shut down.

    8. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Whoosh!

    9. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      No, it actually makes a lot of sense. The 2ghz core it to run the anti-virus software to keep your Windows operating system safe, and the other 880Mhz core is to run everything else, like photoshop, Cad design software and compilers.

    10. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      A pc can run perfectly fine with multiple cpu (cores) running at different speeds, but it mucks up anything that uses the RDTSC instruction for timing. Then again, using the RDTSC instruction as a timer is also broken on if a cpu changes speed, so it shouldn't be used for that nowadays anyway.

      Due to a glitch I once had Windows Server 2003 running on a machine with one 2000MHz cpu and one 600MHz cpu. Everything ran fine except the dedicated server for Counter-Strike: Source, whose "uptime" counter kept flickering between an accurate time and a negative one. It seems it read the instruction counter and speed of the faster core when it started, then got a negative time by reading the instruction counter of the slower core and subtracting the "start time" it got from the other core.

  23. Is there a tablet version? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The key selling point of Windows over Mac in the laptop area as far as I am concerned is the tablet form-factor. Tablets are very good for collaborative whiteboarding during a brainstorming session.

    Light is nice but Steve Jobs seems to have a bit of a Clive Sinclair complex. He just pushes the envelope one bit too far. Sinclair did it on cheap (microdrive not a floppy), Jobs does it on practicality (no exchangable batteries).

    The Lenovo looks like it is slightly less cool but a lot more practical. I bet you can swap out the battery. In fact I bet that nobody even thought of not allowing the user to swap it out.

    Looks to me like this is a deliberate, sanctioned leak in response to the Air. Looks like solid state drives are becomming mainstream. Getting rid of the mechanical components from the board is going to make it much easier to do thin.

    I suspect that the actual battery life is 3 hours and 6 with the extended battery pack, my T43 still does that reliably with two year old battery packs.

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    1. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      Apparently, it isn't that hard to change a battery on the MacBook Air.

      http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/01/18/sources_macbook_air_battery_replacements_take_only_minutes.html

      It does however involve unscrewing the MBA's bottom, so it's not like you'll exchange batteries mid-flight. (However, this isn't allowed anymore anyways, so kind of a moot point.)

    2. Re:Is there a tablet version? by flosofl · · Score: 1

      It does however involve unscrewing the MBA's bottom, so it's not like you'll exchange batteries mid-flight. (However, this isn't allowed anymore anyways, so kind of a moot point.)
      Did they change the rules again? I know they recently banned Lithium batteries for *checked* luggage, but as far as I knew, you could still bring that spare in carry-on luggage.
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    3. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      I checked it, and you're right. My bad. I still don't see any need for carrying several batteries, though. 5 hours of real world battery life goes a long way, and with the SSD option, the MBA's battery life is bound to be even longer. If that isn't enough, Apple sells a MagSafe airline adapter for $49.

    4. Re:Is there a tablet version? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Apparently, it isn't that hard to change a battery on the MacBook Air.
      But what does it do to the warranty?
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    5. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
      If that isn't enough, Apple sells a MagSafe airline adapter for $49.

      Thats fine if the airline has power in the seat. That is not very common in coach and most United domestic flights don't offer it in first class.

      I don't bother to pack the airline power adaptor these days. No longer worth the effort. A back up battery weighs the same and guarantees power.

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    6. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      I've never been on a domestic flight that took 5 hours, and I'm guessing that most of us haven't. And with transatlantic flights, there's always a power adapter in business class. (And why would anyone travel coach? That's just masochism.)

    7. Re:Is there a tablet version? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      So you use the internal battery and an add-on "universal" type battery that plugs into the power adapter for the Macbook Air. As little power as it has to consume, you've gotta be able to easily squeeze 10-15 hours total out of a setup like that. And if you need more time than that, you need to sleep more often.

    8. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
      I've never been on a domestic flight that took 5 hours, and I'm guessing that most of us haven't. And with transatlantic flights, there's always a power adapter in business class. (And why would anyone travel coach? That's just masochism.)

      Boston to SFO is 6.5 hours Westbound and 5.5 East. It is a fairly common itinerary for slashdotters.

      My company has always flown coach for domestic flights. They have from time to time paid for business class on really long haul flights. But what would you rather do, work for a profitable Internet company that has managed to stay in business for ten years or a startup that can't piss away the VC money fast enough?

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    9. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You CAN replace the battery in the Mac Book Air. The battery is NOT soldered on. It is designed so the user can easily replace it.

    10. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to take out an hour for the taxiing, take-off, and landing. But that still leaves you with half an hour of battery life too little, in case you wanted to use your laptop the whole time on your flight from Boston to San Francisco.

      I understand that there's a whole tech thing going on in the Boston area and why folks go there. Personally, I never needed to be in Massachusetts, I just visit for the occasional holiday. From the city to Boston is just 1,5 hours, and a direct flight to LA is under 5 hours (but I always opt for a short lay-over, as I'm still a slave to the nicotine.)

    11. Re:Is there a tablet version? by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      As another person pointed out there's a few domestic flights that long (poor google folks eh :). More importantly, my experience is that the battery life quoted by makers is for when you're doing nothing with your laptop but it's not in sleep or with anything turned off ('cept wireless, they always quote it with those devices turned off). This that there's hardly a current laptop that could last a flight, especially if you're doing software dev.

      Yet again, the FAA has screwed us for no apparent reason. My belief is that this is on purpose. Their making our lives difficult convinces a certain paranoid subset of the population that they're doing their job.

    12. Re:Is there a tablet version? by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      all you need is a screw driver to replace the battery on the air.

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    13. Re:Is there a tablet version? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Funny how the word "easily" gets redefined around here. On most laptops all I need is my finger to press the latch to pop the battery out. That's 5 seconds, maybe 10 if you count the time to flip the laptop over. Now that's what I call easily, not messing around with screwdrivers, taking the bottom off, and quite possibly voiding your warranty.

  24. The S-IPS T series holds that title. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Nice, but like what they've done to the R/T series (without a suitable model out there that even comes close to the 2623DDU) is nearly unforgivable. That's where the title of "The ultimate Thinkpad", as you could get that quality you wanted.
    Now you might as well just extend the warranty on an IPS T42p, R50p(unless you've done 1900x1200 screen work), or T60p. The models where you could get quality that you wanted seem not to exist thanks to them.

    This is just another distraction.

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    1. Re:The S-IPS T series holds that title. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen, I got one of the last T60ps with the 15.1" 1600x1200 S-IPS, 2007-93U.
      Love the small font and all.

  25. Leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Yeah right...

  26. Non MS-Windows option needed by markdavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like a fantastic machine, could compete very well with the Sony TX ultra-small, full-powered laptops (models I have used for several years). The only thing obviously missing is the option to buy it with no OS and/or with Linux. Before someone cries about "Linux isn't ready" or "Linux isn't mainstream", I would stress the word *OPTION*. Let consumers decide what they want, if it means no OS, so be it... Lenovo doesn't HAVE to offer Linux support, although that would be even more courageous.

    MS-Windows can be preinstalled but licensed separately, meaning there only has to be a single packaging, model, inventory, etc. They could even choose a free, redistributable Linux distro and install that too and the user can have a working machine in minutes, even if they opt to not spend money on Vista. Initialization of the machine can automatically remove the space consumed by either, based on the user's choice.

    I kinda doubt Microsoft would allow such competition, though... but it seems a reasonable objective to combat such restrictions based on an anti-trust lawsuit.

    1. Re:Non MS-Windows option needed by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      They don't seem to mind much on warranty support, as long as it shows some evidence of booting up and working as it should. They do have a SuSE option if you haven't been paying attention lately.

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    2. Re:Non MS-Windows option needed by markdavis · · Score: 1

      Most companies that do offer some type of Linux option rarely offer it on most of their models. Looking at the leaked specs, MS-Windows is mentioned, so this might be one of those models that have no other option. Personally, I would rather have a "no OS" option, so I can install what I want and save the money. Let them just include a bootable diagnostic DVD for use with warranty issues.

      I don't really want to spend money on a commercial SuSE Linux (or Redhat Linux), since that isn't the Linux I would use. I suppose I would rather have the money go to SuSE rather than Microsoft, if given ONLY those two options. Or, like lots of people, if I am forced to pay for an OS (MS-Windows or SuSE), I would choose keep the MS-Windows as a "just in case", even though I would install Linux anyway and use that 99% of the time.

    3. Re:Non MS-Windows option needed by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      I would choose keep the MS-Windows as a "just in case", even though I would install Linux anyway and use that 99% of the time. Unlike some manufacturers, they won't even mind if you do that. I wouldn't be surprised if an onsite tech knew well enough about it to not care what distribution was on there. Just burn the restore media (DVD or a few CD's), shrink it down to a manageable size, and do a reinstall off the/those disc(s).
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    4. Re:Non MS-Windows option needed by value_added · · Score: 1

      Linux ... Linux ... Linux ... Linux ...

      Hrmph. For the record, the BSDs work great with Thinkpads. And believe it or not, there's lots of BSD users, and lots of BSD users who use BSD exclusively on Thinkpads and elsewhere.

      Did I mention BSD? ;-)

    5. Re:Non MS-Windows option needed by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >Linux ... Linux ... Linux ... Linux ...

      LOL!

      Well, that is why I support a "no OS" or "free Linux" option, so that users can install whatever they want, including BSD, without being financially penalized. I would rather see a commercial Linux than no Linux or no "no OS" option at all, but I think complete freedom is better.

  27. Footprint vs. Thickness by setirw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm personally not a fan of ultraportable laptops with the footprints of ordinary laptops. If a laptop is going to be minimalistic, its manufacturer ought to go all the way. A subnotebook will never replicate the functionality of a typical 14" computer, so it's pointless to give it the footprint of one. I'd much rather see a diminished footprint than a minuscule thickness. I would personally prefer an updated version of my Thinkpad S30 than this MacBook Air competitor.

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    1. Re:Footprint vs. Thickness by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Heh first Thinkpad I've seen that came with a rocket launcher. :)

      Where'd you obtain the TP? Dynamism or Japan?

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    2. Re:Footprint vs. Thickness by setirw · · Score: 1

      I bought it on eBay for $350.

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    3. Re:Footprint vs. Thickness by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Oh how I wish I had mod points. Take a look at the MacBook and MacBook air dimensions and one thing leaps out; apart from the height, they are exactly the same! This means there are almost no situations in which the Air can be used or carried but the MacBook (which costs half as much, has better specs and a longer battery life) can't. Give me an Air with a 10" or 8" screen and you'll deserve the buzz.

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    4. Re:Footprint vs. Thickness by slapmyass · · Score: 0

      I agree. I still use my Thinkpad 240 which is about the same size as the s30 except the keyboard doesn't bulge out. Perfectly usable for emails and light web browsing. I was considering replacing it with the Asus Eee but found the keyboard and screen way too small... useless.

    5. Re:Footprint vs. Thickness by jdowland · · Score: 1

      This doesn't seem to be designed as a direct air competitor, but more a successor to the X61s, which in my eyes would be the perfect laptop bar the poor screen resolution.

    6. Re:Footprint vs. Thickness by Chonine · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I have an S30 myself. The footprint, size, keyboard, screen, and upgraded wireless and ssd are perfect for me.

      A subtle update consisting of a new cpu/chipset/memory, and perhaps replace the cf/pcmcia with an expresscard/34, and we have the perfect laptop.

  28. They already have that model. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Like, for users who love spending >$4000 on their laptop and having it plugged it permanently. That's the Thinkpad Reserve. No invitation needed.

    Since they've axed IPS, that's about it.
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  29. This thing is huge! by Schmool · · Score: 1

    I just looked at the size of this monster:
    W 12.52 x L 9.09 x D 0.73-0.92 inch

    Compared to the MacBook Air:
    12.8 x 8.94 x 0.16-0.76 inch

    Volumetrically, two MacBook Airs fit into one of these!

    (Thinkpad: 93.9 cub inches., MacBook Air: 52.6 cub inches.)

    With that kind of space, Apple could've fitted a jet engine and Osama in hiding.

    1. Re:This thing is huge! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      for reference, the MacBook is 123 cubic inches (1.08 x 12.78 x 8.92), making it about 30% bigger than this machine. Interestingly, it weighs twice as much, so the ThinkPad must have a lot more airspace inside.

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    2. Re:This thing is huge! by schmidt349 · · Score: 1

      The MBA is at no point 1.08 inches thick, so sorry, you're wrong. Thanks for playing The Flame Game!

    3. Re:This thing is huge! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      My post was talking about the MacBook, not the MacBook Air. Thanks for playing The Reading Comprehension Game.

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    4. Re:This thing is huge! by Schmool · · Score: 1

      In America you own a Slashdot poster,

      ..aaaand in Russia the Slashdot poster p0wns you.

  30. They weren't "leaked" by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    That would mean it was unintentional. They were revealed in a press release. Poorly disguised maybe, but it was a press release. And my advice is to go with XP or the business edition. Works pretty good with less fluff.

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  31. Figures by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is it every time you buy a new piece of hardware, the next day something cooler is announced? :)

    I've owned various thinkpads since '98, and they have never let me down. I'm currently running a t21 (850mhz, 14.1" 1400x1050, 512mb) that's suffering from case fatigue. I bought it almost 7 years ago, and it's been running the same Debian/sid install the entire time. I use it for at least 6-8 hours a day (home machine) in all kinds of awkward positions (laying down, on the easy chair, etc)... it's travelled around the world, and to many a datacenter.

    I did have to deal with IBM service once. At one point in 2003, I sent it to IBM (their cost) with what I believed to be a bad hard disk (I/O errors). After they ripped it open, they told that I'd spilled coffee in it.... I was quite upset at this as I didn't believe them, so they sent me pictures. At some point, probably while it was on the floor (I really abuse my machines), I must have kicked over a mostly empty cup of coffee or something.

    After apologizing to them in a phone call, they explained to me that they didn't find anything immediately wrong with it at that point (it was booting), except the coffee spill. I told them about the I/O errors, and they ran a thorough scan, confirming the problem. Because the coffee was unlikely to have caused a disk failure, they offered to replace the drive, but after doing so, found that the problem persisted. It was the controller (or connector)... and, to my astonishment, I received an email later that day along the lines of: "Sir, we just need to get you back up and running. You're a long-time valued customer, so we're going to replace whatever parts need to be replaced."

    3 days later, an express shipped package arrived with what used to be my laptop - 90% of the components had been replaced (except, amazingly, the original hard drive, which was fine). I was floored, and wrote a quick thank you note to the CSR's boss.

    Here I am, 5 years later, with the same machine chugging away. I can't even hazard a guess to how many hours it has on it. It's starting to make funny noises, and 850mhz just ain't cuttin it anymore. :) Time for a new box.

    While I did take a good look at various others (dell, hp, acer) - some of which less than half the price - I eventually settled on a refurbished t43p (2.13ghz, 2gb ram, 1400x1050). I want the trackpoint, and 3 mouse buttons. I want the rigid case. I want the support (we'll see how Lenovo does) and I want the well tested, mature components (particularly for Linux). Can't wait!

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    1. Re:Figures by darjen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I never used to be all that big on Thinkpads until I started to work for a consulting firm that's a partner of IBM. They give all their employees Thinkpads to work on. I started off with a T43, and they recently upgraded me to a T60. I have to say, they have grown on me quite a bit since I started using them. My only gripe is the models I've had only use a 4200 rpm hard drive. My personal laptop, and Asus model purchased about 3 years ago, still has its original 7200rpm drive... makes quite a noticeable difference. I even used to think these things are ugly, but even the looks have grown on me. I'll probably be working at this place for awhile, but I might have go get me a Thinkpad for myself if I ever get a new job.

    2. Re:Figures by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1
      I worked for 7.5 years at a bank that bought all IBM, then stayed with Lenovo with the changeover. I am very glad to say that their support hasn't slipped a bit. (Or at least, hadn't a year ago when I changed jobs.)

      I call support - I'm speaking to a live person in less than 5 minutes, most of which consists of picking the support options, (Hardware/software, PC/monitor, etc...) and punching in the model and serial number. The person I speak with doesn't give me the run-around. If I know what part is bad, they don't question my judgment, they just send a new part. If I don't know what's wrong, they always have helpful advise. If there are two parts that might be bad, they usually just send both instead of making me replace one and see if it fixes the problem. And, I almost always have the parts in the next day -- I've called at 3 PM and still gotten the part the next day.

      From what I've seen, the ThinkPads, support and all, are just as good under Lenovo as they were under IBM. (But don't confuse a Lenovo Laptop with a Lenovo ThinkPad.)

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  32. Not comparable in many ways by Cannelloni · · Score: 1

    "If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air." Not really. The Lenovo thing doesn't have Mac OS X. It has a completely different target audience. It also lacks style. But is does have all the ports and stuff I would like in the MacBook Air, I'll give it that. Credit where credit is due. But what I really want is a Sony Vaio TZ with Mac OS X.

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  33. What's all the fuss about? by sshambar · · Score: 1

    I bought a Sony Vaio G1 about a year ago, and it beats the pants off the Air and X300 for "featherweight with features":

    Dual-layer DVD writer, 11 hour battery (I get about 8 hrs, swappable), wifi/g, ethernet, modem, multi-flash reader, pcmcia, bluetooth, 12in screen, 80GB, phones/mic plugs, usb2, even fingerprint reader! Everything you need short of a camera (wish it had one for skype...)

    In a carbon-fiber case at 2.46lbs... a year ago!

    An *yes* I installed OSX on it :) (as well as XP, came with Vaisto :P) Drop the optical, you're http://www.dynamism.com/g2/main.shtml -- which adds firewire, 2 cores (same weight, longer batt life!)

    Don't know what all the fuss is with these "new" featherweights, they're a little late to the game, and missing some key features: no optical!? Don't see feature details on X300, but Air is also missing swappable battery (or v. long batt life), no ethernet (enjoy you're slow file transfers), no firewire, card slots (hardly any ports really).

    Nice try... play again soon!

    1. Re:What's all the fuss about? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      It's not about weight, it's about thickness.

      The Sony Vaio G1 is an inch thick.

      Sorry, you don't get to play.

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    2. Re:What's all the fuss about? by Sensae · · Score: 1

      It's only really about thickness to Apple. Portability is about size on all three dimensions, and weight.

    3. Re:What's all the fuss about? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      Alright, all three dimensions: Vaio is 93.2 cubic inches, MacBook Air is 52.6 cubic inches. This means that is absolute terms, no other conclusion possible, the Vaio is 80% bigger. And still Apple manages to put in a larger screen, larger keyboard, and larger trackpad. Hell of a lot cheaper too.

  34. Re:Is the case still black? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is about obama, only hillary astroturfers.

  35. Cosmetic Computing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...that's what I call it. Apple is into "cosmetic computing", which isn't actually about computing at all. It's about being able to sell someone something for little to nothing of actual design cost just by making the "thing" look more eye appealing. Steve Jobs is not into what computer science geeks are about, he's into the somewhat lucrative market of art. Steve has managed to move Apple into the upper class. He's not selling to coach fliers. He wants his products to be used by people who drink wine with their dinners, while discussing the paintings of the art scene and Prada.

    I've also noticed that a lot of what Apple does now is "output only". Many of Apples latest products are all about getting you to buy media, not create it. For example, the Apple iPod line could very well have a built in stereo A/D converter for high-end audio, like the Roland EDIROL R-09 recorder, but nooo, that would be "enabling" the customer, which we just can't allow. Also, Apple it seems just doesn't want their devices to become general "computing" devices that the public can control with their own software. yuk spit.

    1. Re:Cosmetic Computing... by AvitarX · · Score: 1
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  36. hmmm by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

    If it has a wired NIC it already has +1 on the Macbook Air.

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  37. What you've all missed so far... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is that it has both GPS and WIMAX on board. That is what makes it a more interesting and forward looking design than Mac Air. Physically, it's boring. The cornucopia of ports is boring. Laptops have these things. It looks so like every other Lenovo laptop that there's nothing 'must have' about the appearance. But I am convinced that the next killer application will be location sensitive and require ubiquitous mobile connectivity. WiFi doesn't have it and 3G isn't very fast.

    Steve Jobs isn't going to lie awake tonight kicking himself because Lenovo have brought out yet another dull black corporate laptop. He's going to be kicking himself about the GPS and the WIMAX.

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  38. 1" is thin enough for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have the PowerBook 12" G4 1.5Ghz, bumped to 1.25 gigs. It's really the best on-the-go laptop they've produced. I put in into a memory foam slipcase and toss it into my overnight bag or briefcase.

    It's almost 5 pounds, not noticeably different from 3.5. It's only an inch thick so it's slim enough, and it has every connector you'll ever need. I even used the modem (ugh) the other day. And when I shoot a wedding, the first thing I do is mail backup DVDs to myself.

    My dream notebook would be this form factor with the 2.8Ghz core2 duo 4 Gig memory with a slot for a cellular Verizon modem with proper drivers. With all the connector goodness of the PB.

    The Air is a bit of a deaf lead. I have no use for it.

  39. Who oh why still no DVI? by graf0z · · Score: 1
    NO thinkpad has DVI, yet. Huge LDCs are getting common and don't like VGA (use DVI2VGA adapters instead for projectors).

    Maybe the dock will have it (like the ones for the T-series). And by the way: what about eSata? /g.

    ps: never had a notebook which wasn't a thinkpad

    1. Re:Who oh why still no DVI? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, every computer Apple puts out, including the MacBook Air, has DVI built-in. Hell, even the Mac Mini and iMac have DVI-out.

    2. Re:Who oh why still no DVI? by darthflo · · Score: 1

      That's the difference between "Compatibility" and "DVI is hip now. If your hardware or whatever projectors in whatever client's rooms you're plugging your devices in don't support DVI, they SUCK! Get new hardware and/or clients or the Steve won't like you anymore".

    3. Re:Who oh why still no DVI? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      There's DVI-VGA converters, cost about $3, so no lack of compatibility whatsoever. Only having a VGA port on your notebook, that's lack of compatibility.

      Apple laptops have had DVI since April 2002, that's almost 6 years. Are you one of those people who still thinks the iPod is a fad, too?

    4. Re:Who oh why still no DVI? by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Having to carry around a DVI-VGA converter all the time may not bother you, but it's not something I'd want to be bothered with. Like many people who actually use their notebooks for work, I want to be able to hook it up to whatever kind of Ethernet and VGA cable's hanging out of whatever kind of room I'm in at any given moment.

      Apple laptops having DVI is fine and well, but you ought to realize they simply don't matter. Apple has a market share of some 5%. They have had Motorola and Power processors for the longest time, which, as it turns out, wasn't an advantage of theirs. Just because they are doing something doesn't mean it's the future or anybody else is going to adapt anytime soon.
      iPods (there's more than one. C'mon, what the fuck is wrong with Apple's naming system? Using people-name grammar for product names?) unfortunately are selling too consistently to be a passing fad. Actually, in the current generation the hardware seems to have gotten pretty usable. Now if Apple could get rid of that iTunes piece of crap, I might actually consider switching to one. Looking at recent lockdown attempts by Apple I don't really think I will. Here's to the general public realizing they're not cooler than the rest by having the same music player and buying for technical superiority instead.

    5. Re:Who oh why still no DVI? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      If you'd switch to Mac you'd get a better iTunes experience. ;)

    6. Re:Who oh why still no DVI? by darthflo · · Score: 1

      No offense but I'm male and dig chicks, so way outside Apple's target demographic.

    7. Re:Who oh why still no DVI? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      You kid, but that's actually a decent point. A while back, Apple invited Andrea Jung, Chairman and CEO of Avon Inc. to take place in Apple's Board of Directors. It is expected that she'll bring a certain focus on women's wants and needs and how to target that particular market. As has become clear with the iPod, women will spend insane amounts for something that looks pretty and works well. The general populace of men is more interested in whether it is 'cool', or more to the point: whether it makes *them* look cool. How many women do you know who will bring a new gadget to a party to try and make their friends envious of them?

      Apple won't mind if you buy a Mac, but you're probably not the kind of consumer they want.

  40. I want something cheaper! by crhylove · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For everything I want to do:\

    Firefox
    Watch Movies
    Skype
    Urban Terror
    Audacity
    Thunderbird
    Abiword
    Civilization 2
    Burn CDs
    Play mp3s

    That system is overkill. Don't get me wrong, extra horse power is always a good thing, but aside from burning a cd, a EEE will do everything I want and (I'm sure) is much cheaper and smaller, and easy to carry. I'd like to see more competition in the ultra cheap department, once I can get something of EEE functionality for $150, I'll be considering lots of extra fun little projects.

    I mean, other than running Vista (why would you do that to yourself, anyway?), is there a point to spending more for that much horse power? Ubuntu runs well on a pentium 3 and does 99% of what most people need!!!

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    1. Re:I want something cheaper! by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I mean, other than running Vista (why would you do that to yourself, anyway?), is there a point to spending more for that much horse power? Ubuntu runs well on a pentium 3 and does 99% of what most people need!!! Speak for yourself, I run a Q6600/4GB RAM and would happily take more. It may however have something to do with ffmpeg's absolutely horrible performance, video that is smooth on Windows is dropping frames like crazy on Linux. Plus I like to run a Windows vmware machine for my legacy needs. It's quite easy to find a few other things to eat up horsepower with too...
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    2. Re:I want something cheaper! by crhylove · · Score: 1

      How many of your friends and family are running a Windows VM though... I can appreciate extra horse power.... But Grandma doesn't need it, doesn't know what it is, and wouldn't care to begin to understand the concepts even if she did. I was just speaking for the 99% of the world out there that might not be a /.er :).

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  41. WiMAX on board! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone seems to be missing that the X300 is including WiMAX capabilities.

    http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/x300/1000528021

    This could be a HUGE market advantage over the Apple AirBook - a REAL Broadband experience.
    And to those naysayers who think "WiMAX doesn't exist" or "it won't work" - you are WRONG.
    WiMAX is currently rolling out across major cities, it works VERY well, and will be commercially available on a widespread basis in 2008.

    Apple made a MAJOR mistake in not including WiMAX in the "Airbook"

    1. Re:WiMAX on board! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      If WiMax works then I'll just use a USB adaptor for an Air. Or simply make use of a bluetooth shared network connection from the iPhone, perhaps (you can already do this today if you have shell on it).

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  42. How many fingers do you have? I have at least two by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space.

    I've used the windows laptop nipples before, and Apple's trackpad implementation is far superior eve when you can only use it for two finger scrolling and panning - never mind the additional gesture controls Apple added to the Air. If you want superior how about instead of two buttons where one is always rather hard to reach and another is too easy to hit, you have a single large button and use the fact that your hands are sitting right there on the keyboard to mac use of the trackpad or keyboard chording to active a second button? Oh that's right, Macs already do this.

    I never did use a single Windows laptop that didn't drive me to external mice in the end. After several years of Mac laptops I can say they offer a better system for extended use.

    Calling the nipple "ridiculously superior" as you struggle to scroll is a joke.

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  43. You got that exactly backwards by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    This is even more important now that the TSA in USA does not allow spare laptop batteries on board.

    Unless you fly in the cargo hold, you are completely wrong. The TSA is wanting people with lithium batteries to CARRY THEM ON. You know, the bit of the airplane where you normally sit.

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  44. Optical Drive? by toppavak · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised nobody mentioned that this apparently has a DVD-RW built-in. That makes it, in something a little thicker than the Air, less weight, a swappable battery, an optical drive and a heck of a lot more ports.

    1. Re:Optical Drive? by Schmool · · Score: 1

      "a little thicker than the Air"

      The ThinkPad is 80% thicker, to be precise.

      Might as well go all the way and get yourself a MacBook Pro, which is 20% thicker than the ThinkPad. Then you'll have a computer with MagSafe, DVI-out, multi-touch trackpad, full-size keyboard, Sudden Motion Sensor, built-in camera and remote control, auto-sensing backlit keyboard, auto-adjusting LED backlit display, FireWire400 and FireWire800, and a 2.6Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo. There is no match.

    2. Re:Optical Drive? by jay-be-em · · Score: 1

      Yeah. except the SSD hard drive and the 2.5 pound weight. And the high resolution screen, which Apple seems to still not consider important (13.3" at 1280 x 800 on the MacBook Air? Lameness).

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    3. Re:Optical Drive? by Schmool · · Score: 0

      Apple has one of the cheapest options out there for a 64GB SSD.

      About the resolution: I can see where you're coming from, but personally, I find 1280x800 to be the max for a 13.3" screen, higher resolution than that and I'll need a magnifying glass. This is also where the advantage of using OSX comes in: technologies like Exposé (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expos%C3%A9_(Mac_OS_X)), Spaces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaces_(software), and Dashboard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard_(software)) optimize your screen real estate by letting you work with layers, window scaling,and multiple desktops. Fonts and icons can be scaled, and the OSX file manager is more space efficient than that of Windows, with its Cover Flow, Source list-like sidebar, and slimmer window frames.

    4. Re:Optical Drive? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I doubt that it does. None of the Thinkpad ultra-portables (from the X21 to X60) have an optical drive built in.

    5. Re:Optical Drive? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I'll note that I have a 1400x1050 12.1" screen on my X61 Tablet.

      Then again, I am a bit of a resolution whore.

  45. good points - but WHO USES A MODEM NOWADAYS??? by bball99 · · Score: 1

    - i mean, a modem is like an optical drive on an Apple Mac Air!

    1. Re:good points - but WHO USES A MODEM NOWADAYS??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you! Let's boycott all modems! What are they goi$^jX*(~iNO CARRIER

  46. Pointing stick vs touchpad by crimson30 · · Score: 1

    Love the pointing stick. Hate the touchpad... very much.

    It's simple really... I get much more accuracy and dexterity out of the pointing stick. That and you don't have to move your hand to switch between it and the keyboard. And I don't accidentally hit the pointing stick causing the mouse to jump or click like I do with the pad.

    I'm thinking more speed + better accuracy + better dexterity - annoyances = win

    I would NEVER buy a laptop without a pointing stick.

    1. Re:Pointing stick vs touchpad by perrygeo · · Score: 1

      Not to mention ergonomics. Which begs the question: why don't they make *desktop* keyboards with the split ergonomic design and a trackpoint in the middle?

    2. Re:Pointing stick vs touchpad by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Partially because a split ergonomic design increases the distance you have to move to get to the TrackPoint, and partially because the market doesn't want that in enough quantity.

      Note that NON-ergonomic trackpoint keyboards are a serious niche market.

  47. Only if you run Windows by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

    A Windows laptop is only competition to a Mac laptop if you install Windows on your Mac laptop.

    It's not so much competition, but choice.

  48. I hope they have done something about the contrast by jeorgen · · Score: 1
    I had a Lenovo X60 for a while, but had to resell it. The contrast ratio of the screen is just awful, 156:1 (See my short review here). An the brightness is also really bad. Compare that to Sony's TZ series' contrast of 576:1 and brightness of 308.

    LED backlighting ought to fix the brightness problem, but if they put the same bad screen in front of it, contrast will still be a deal-breaker.

  49. SSD not ideal by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

    If we get out of the realm of special purpose laptops, I don't think the current low cost SSDs are up to snuff. Try working off a fast thumb drive if you don't believe me. There's good points and bad points but the bad point is very bad: very slooow write times. Finding the information is great, getting into the SSD (and to a lesser degree getting it out) is not so great.

    It's not that I'm against SSDs, but I'd prefer to have both flash and regular hard disk, or a hybrid disk. I've been experimenting with fast thumb drives and CF cards up to 166x, which is rated just like a CD-ROM drive: 1x = 150kb/second, so 166x is 24 MiB/sec. You can go higher form more $$$, maybe 40 MiB/s? Not shabby for flash, but orders of magnitude below a cheap hard drive.

    I'm considering going with a SSD for booting and most static data, a nice hunk of RAM with 64 bit linux to avoid much swapping, then a very modest hard disk for thing where there's a writing, including swap space. Why wear out your flash drive to experience frustration.

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    1. Re:SSD not ideal by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      You can go higher form more $$$, maybe 40 MiB/s? Not shabby for flash, but orders of magnitude below a cheap hard drive.

      I think your definition of 'orders of magnitude' may be off ... by an order of magnitude.

    2. Re:SSD not ideal by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well a realistic transfer rate for a hard disk would be something like 250MB/s, no? 255/40 = 6.5, and log10(6.5) = 0.8, so one order of magnitude at least.

      Factor in that the ratings for flash memory are absurdly optimistic, and you're there.

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    3. Re:SSD not ideal by darthflo · · Score: 1

      IIRC a new 3.5" hard disk would read and write something in the ballpark of 80 MB/s, fast notebook devices in the 40 MB/s region and 1.8" ones (think ThinkPad X40, MacBook Air) ranging from 20-30 MB/s. 250 MB/s may be possible for SATA2 devices when reading straight from the 8-32 megs of cache on disk, but even then you'd have to be rather lucky.

    4. Re:SSD not ideal by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Um, no. A realistic transfer rate for a laptop hard disk would be 20-30MB/sec.
      Even server drives cannot do sustained 250MB/sec.

      Have you been reading the marketing materials again hey? You know what that does :)

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    5. Re:SSD not ideal by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Well a realistic transfer rate for a hard disk would be something like 250MB/s, no?

      No, not even close. SATA has a theoretical transfer rate of 300MB/s, but that's just the connection, not what a HD can actually sustainably transfer at. Check out some recent harddrive reviews to find out the current state of the art. Most normal harddrives are, I believe, still under 100MB/s for sustained transfer rate, though they may be getting close. And that's for 7200rpm 3.5" desktop drives, not the 1.8" or 2.5" drives that the current crop of SSDs are targeting in laptops. Plus the latest SSDs have wear-levelling technology, thus making them actually more reliable (despite the now-misunderstood write-limit on Flash) than spinning platters. When the 'drive' can't write to a block, it's marked as bad and the data is written elsewhere (that's my understanding, anyway). When the SSD drive starts 'wearing out', it simply starts losing available capacity, rather than crashing and taking all your data with it. That's pretty awesome.

      Plus now that it's on silicon, and storage density and power requirements will improve on a part with CPU technology, which is pretty great (limits *may* be coming into play soon on CPUs, but flash memory isn't at the state of the art level that CPU processes are on yet, so there's still plenty of headroom left for Flash memory).

      I'd say in about 3 years or so, these things will be 128 MB in size and quite affordable (and much faster than spinning HDs).

      Once Intel incorporates their memory controller on-die ala AMD, all the displays are at *least* LED-backlit (if not outright OLED), it's gonna be a sweet time for laptops, especially if that 10x increase in battery technology comes along about then.

    6. Re:SSD not ideal by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, it still stands. Flash technology is way slower on writes, for any price that represents a viable replacement for a hard disk. And the fastest flash memory you can buy is at least 10x slower than a cheap hard disk on writes. Copies that would take under a minute on a hard disk take ten, fifteen minutes or more.

      I muck around with flash a lot. I have my personal thumb drive with all my personal data, and another which boots linux. I have several very fast CF cards that I've set up as disks both via USB2 and PC card; true expresscad would be better but PC card is still fast enough it isn't the bottleneck.

      It's not that I don't like the idea of a flash drive. It's just that it's not ready for prime time unless you're willing to spend several thousand dollars for a very small disk. I'd like the answer to be different, but it ain't.

      For now, the sweet spot is to use both technologies.

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    7. Re:SSD not ideal by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Thumb drives are connected via USB, which offers no DMA and adds CPU overhead for each and every bit sent to/from the drive. SSDs are connected via a hard-disk interface, and offer DMA. That means there's no CPU hit for accessing your drive.

    8. Re:SSD not ideal by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Are you perhaps thinking the flash used in SSDs are the same and hooked up the same way as a USB flash drive?

  50. Lenovo by lnxpilot · · Score: 0

    Except nobody cares about Thinkpads any more, now that it's not made by IBM.
    Just get a MacBook Pro, Air etc.

  51. MoMA by BeanThere · · Score: 0, Troll

    That would be the same Museum of Modern Art that proudly displays cans of shit in its collection? Gee, I'm not sure that says much. This is modern art you're talking about, which pretty much represents the purposeful antithesis of pleasing aesthetics (to the point that I'd say it supports the GP's position; ugly is ugly).

    1. Re:MoMA by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      That was obviously NOT a troll ... I guess I'm being targeted here.

  52. Damn right. by goldcd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The appeal of the Thinkpad (to me at least) is the complete lack of any gimmicky styling. It looks like a thinkpad. My thinkpad from 5 years ago looks like a thinkpad and the one I buy in 5 years will also just look like an f'in thinkpad.
    Also I love the 'nipple' pointer. So much nicer to use than a trackpad (although mysteriously I find myself in a greater minority on this every day). If I want to move the cursor across the screen, it's easier/faster and doesn't leave me pawing away like a cat at a window.

  53. Lenovo quality has plummeted by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Or maybe just the Lenovo mass market takeover of Thinkpad has become obvious, or, Thinkpad quality is a lot crappier than we own up to. In any case our Thinkpads have been dropping like flies, requiring motherboard, fan, powersupply and battery replacements. I get an employee discount and a) the discounts are not that great and b) I wouldn't get one anyway. It's too risky, it will probably break. On the other hand I have a great little Lenovo branded Lenovo which, as a low cost low feature machine is great and solid. But I think the great era of Thinkpads is over.

    1. Re:Lenovo quality has plummeted by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 1

      That's odd. We haven't seen that, and we're usually buying 400 to 500 of any given model at a time. It hasn't been a problem and some things (like the switch to widescreens) has been pretty welcome. Of course, we're also buying units with 4 year warranties and accidental damage protection, which we've always done. We have had some issues in the past, but they were on models that IBM was directly responsible for. We've been pretty happy, overall. And they've kept the Thinkpad "look". Personally, I'm fond of a laptop that looks like you could beat someone to death with.

    2. Re:Lenovo quality has plummeted by gelfling · · Score: 1

      Our T60's T61's have huge problems in the field. The T41's had a characteristic motherboard problem where if you held the machine in your hands the wrong way you could break the motherboard. In comparison, the older T40's seems rock solid - at least as robust as to the old model 600's. But now it's like the bad old days of the model 760's when every other week there would be another submodel and another set of hardware problems. We don't have any R or X models.

  54. Re:How many fingers do you have? I have at least t by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

    Calling the nipple "ridiculously superior" as you struggle to scroll is a joke.
    I'd hardly call holding down the scroll button with your thumb as you use your index finger to scroll with the nipple a struggle. And this is without having to remove your hands from the home row on the keyboard.
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  55. SSD's are great by lnxpilot · · Score: 1

    Yes, a 166x CF card is *slow*.

    I just got an 8GB 300x CF card with a CF-SATA adapter.

    It works beautifully (and I've used mostly 10000RPM and 15000RPM hard drives before!).
    I get around 43MB / s read speeds on the CF SSD, while my 10000RPM WD Raptor HDD gets 53MB /s.

    I'm running my OS on the CF card (SUSE 10.3) on it as I write this.

  56. No way Jose by Schmool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is no part of the MacBook Air where 0.6 or 0.7 of anything will fit, no matter the width. Remember, the MacBook Air is 0.16 to 0.76 inch thick, including the screen. I measured the base, the thickest it gets is 0.35 inch, near the hinge. On both sides of the computer these spots are already taken; on the left by the power connector, and on the right by micro-DVI, minijack and USB.

    By the way, MacBook Air doesn't want to be your next "dull work notebook" or "corporate workhorse". The MBA is a computer for people with smooth hands. If you need a tricked out notebook meant as desktop replacement, try the MacBook Pro. Just don't compare that ThinkPad to a MacBook. The MacBook is a $1100 consumer laptop, the ThinkPad X61 is a $2000 mammoth tanker.

    1. Re:No way Jose by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      The MBA is a computer for people with smooth hands. If you need a tricked out notebook meant as desktop replacement, try the MacBook Pro.

      How about a subnote that actually has enough features to be useful to me? Guess I'll be sticking with IBM or Dell.

    2. Re:No way Jose by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      The MBA is a computer for people with smooth hands. I have no idea what that means but if it has anything to do with exfoliation I totally agree.

      I understand that the MBA can't fit an ExpressCard slot. Just like the lack of an optical drive this is a drawback that one should take into account. I agree it's not a great dull work notebook. It'd be really nice if I could afford one without corporate help, though.
    3. Re:No way Jose by try_anything · · Score: 1

      The MBA is a computer for people with smooth hands.
      You might want to consider a less disturbing way of saying... whatever creepy shit you're trying to say. I'm going to go sit in the bathroom until this queasy feeling goes away.
  57. Does it have any moving parts at all? by gacl · · Score: 1

    Does it have any moving parts at all?

  58. Processor disparity by chaz373 · · Score: 1

    The X300 has a 2.0 GHZ core 2 duo...is that the standard processor or is that the top of the line option? My concern is that the airbook seems to be handicapped in terms of its processor. Graphicswise - is the intel 3100 integrated gpu any good? And what is the lenovo packing graphics wise?

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    1. Re:Processor disparity by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      It'll either be packing an X3100 or the successor to the X3100.

      It's not bad for integrated graphics, but it's certainly not discrete graphics.

  59. Re:Apple fetish must end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I would rather be dead than to use anything from Apple. They are simply an evil company. I think they actually care less for their users than Microsoft (maybe).

  60. "Holding Down" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I'd hardly call holding down the scroll button with your thumb as you use your index finger to scroll with the nipple a struggle

    Then you've obviously never used variable speed two finger scrolling (horizontal AND vertical at the same time, thanks) on a Macbook. Like someone who grew up using an outhouse, you don't know what you're missing.

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    1. Re:"Holding Down" by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Variable speed? Check.

      Horizontal and vertical at the same time? Check. I'll admit that the TrackPoint's scrolling is done using a hack that not all apps support, though.

    2. Re:"Holding Down" by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Then you've obviously never used variable speed two finger scrolling (horizontal AND vertical at the same time, thanks) on a Macbook.
      I've used variable speed two finger scrolling (horizontal and vertical at the same time) on my Thinkpad since I bought it in 2002. But you're right, I haven't yet done that on a Macbook. The last time I used a Mac was in 1998.

      Like someone who grew up using an outhouse, you don't know what you're missing.
      Apparently I'm not missing anything at all.
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    3. Re:"Holding Down" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I've used variable speed two finger scrolling (horizontal and vertical at the same time) on my Thinkpad since I bought it in 2002. But you're right, I haven't yet done that on a Macbook. The last time I used a Mac was in 1998.

      Well I've used Windows and Macs and Linux (and other UNIXes) daily for decades now (Well, the Mac for only about ten years or so), it's nice of you to admit your ignorance in these matters. Perhaps next time you'll listen when someone that actually has more experience speaks.

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    4. Re:"Holding Down" by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Well I've used Windows and Macs and Linux (and other UNIXes) daily for decades now (Well, the Mac for only about ten years or so), it's nice of you to admit your ignorance in these matters.
      We're having a discussion of the merits (or lack thereof) of scrolling with an eraser nub input device. Claiming that you have decades of experience in various operating systems has little to no bearing on the usefulness or history of a particular hardware device.

      Perhaps next time you'll listen when someone that actually has more experience speaks.
      That would be me. No one has more experience with, and deeper knowledge of, my personal preferences and the way I interact with the world than myself. Therefore, I'm the only one qualified to make judgments on what things I find easiest to use. I imagine that you make the same sort of decisions regarding your own life. I find the trackpoint works best for me, and I've never felt I've been missing a critical feature. I take it that you find the touchpad to work best for you. Isn't it great that we have choices?
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  61. But its got VISTA!!!!! by xander_zone_xxx · · Score: 0

    What a waste!

  62. x31 by perler · · Score: 1

    no 2.5" hdd, no mini pci-x, no firewire - so, no new portable audio workstation for me, i guess i will stick with my good old x31 a little longer - or maybe the x61 prices slump a bit..

  63. Oh yeah? Well by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    my G4/700 eMac runs Xubuntu.

    So there? I guess?

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  64. Re:How many fingers do you have? I have at least t by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1

    If you want superior how about instead of two buttons...

    Two buttons? Three buttons is the absolute minimum, anything less is completely and utterly useless.

    ...you have a single large button and use the fact that your hands are sitting right there on the keyboard to mac use of the trackpad or keyboard chording to active a second button?

    Kludges that make the mouse buttons keyboard buttons are just that -- kludges. The mouse buttons for the nipple are already perfectly accessable without taking your hands from the home row, and hitting the correct mouse buttons is trivially easy.

    Calling the nipple "ridiculously superior" as you struggle to scroll is a joke.

    Nipples aren't for scrolling, that's what the touchpad is for. Nipples are for pointing, for which they are indeed ridiculously superior. As for scrolling, you simply turn the entire touchpad into a scrolling device (both horizontal and vertical), and you can scroll with your thumb on the touchpad without taking your hands off of the home row.

  65. Sex. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 1

    I love fiddling about with that little red whatsit in the middle of the works, it's so effective.

    Being straight, I just can't bring myself to get enthusiastic about having anything other than a female on my lap.

    btw, Anybody know if she has any sort of relationship with Tuxie?

  66. Obviously by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    they forgot that all important requirement for today's generation...

    How does it make you look at Starbucks.

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  67. What is the target market by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    I always have to wonder what the target market is with these.. If I am a college student or such it's out of my range. If I am a business person I am using it on planes or in airports or in a hotel. My biggest concern though is being able to use the equipment I need, (CDs, USB disks, getting online, and in my case, SD cards). So when a system sacrifices internal drives for size, it is useless. The one exception is for tablet systems which someone may be carrying with them to meetings and such. Then weight is a signfiicant factor. Still, though I have a tablet without an integrated DVD drive and it is annoying to mess with the cables if I want to watch a dvd or copy a CD someone has brought to a meeting.
    What I would honestly like to see from Apple is a tablet laptop with an integrated DVD drive. I would snatch one of those up in a heartbeat. Alternately I heard a rumor about a micro portable system with 2 screens, 1 being normal and one being like an ipod touch which would act as the keyboard and mouse. The idea was it was pocket size though larger than a cell phone. I could go for one of those too to do most of my computing on during my day.
    Apple is going to find it's self behind though if it doesn't use it's multi-touch technology to come out with some tablet PCs or turn the ipod touch into a full computing environment. Most universities have tablets which people graduating will come to expect in their laptops. And the low end small end will be taken over by the nokia tablet, the Asus Eee. And true laptops will be expected to have all the media interfaces so that a businessmen sitting in his hotel can feel like he's at his desk. Not a lotta room left for apple.

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  68. It is for business users.. by willy_me · · Score: 1

    But think about all those business users who want a laptop that will fit into their briefcase. They want a thin laptop with a large footprint (for a larger screen) with enough battery life so that they don't have to carry around a power adapter. This is the target audience of the macbook air. For those that want something even more portable they have the iPhone/iPod. Granted, there is some space for a in-between product but it is likely a smaller market then you think. One thing is for certain, should there be a large demand for such a product Apple will eventually deliver one.

  69. Re:How many fingers do you have? I have at least t by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Two buttons? Three buttons is the absolute minimum, anything less is completely and utterly useless.

    Only in X-Windows, which I have used daily for over twenty years thank you very much. It's all about how the window manager and applications use said buttons..

    Kludges that make the mouse buttons keyboard buttons are just that -- kludges.

    It's called "chording", and game designers long ago discovered the efficiency of for many tasks. Something many OS designers and people beholden to think that just because they are used to something, it is the best way, fail to grasp. Perhaps someday you'll explore outside your little sheltered UI circle to the vast worlds beyond.

    Nipples aren't for scrolling, that's what the touchpad is for.

    Which I painted out was a great use, and you wanted gone. Do not fear the trackpad just because it is better than all that you have known before.

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  70. Re:How many fingers do you have? I have at least t by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1

    It's called "chording", and game designers long ago discovered the efficiency of for many tasks.

    For example?

    Which I painted out was a great use, and you wanted gone. Do not fear the trackpad just because it is better than all that you have known before.

    Look up, I'm not the original poster, and I never said the touchpad should go away.

  71. Matte black is perfect... by Ruger · · Score: 1

    ...hides fingerprints, wear & tear. But, if you want to mod the look of a ThinkPad, it also makes the perfect canvas. Just Skinit. Even Apple has a black laptop.

  72. Sweet but I can't rationalize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $2995 for a notebook.
    Perhaps they will offer a model with smaller/no SSD.
    $1200 and I'd be all over it.
    Otherwise the old T41 is gonna have to do for another year.

    Something HP95LX sized with a 512meg RAM, 900MHz processor, 30gig SSD, and lots of I/O would be sweet.