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Cablevision To Offer 101 Mbps Down, No Caps
nandemoari alerts us to news over at DSLReports that Cablevision will be offering subscribers 101-Mbps download service, a new US record. That's fast enough to download an HD movie in less than 10 minutes. The package, known as "Ultra," will launch on May 11 and will cost $99.95 a month. Upload speed is 15 Mbps and there are no monthly limits. Cablevision is also doubling the speed of its Wi-Fi service, which is available free to subscribers using hotspots across the Northeast. "...the company will be launching a new 'Ultra' tier on May 11. The new tier features speeds of 101Mbps downstream and 15Mbps upstream for $99.95 a month. That's an unprecedented amount of speed at an unprecedented price, suggesting that Cablevision just took the gloves off in their fight against Verizon FiOS. ... Cablevision spokesman Jim Maiella confirmed for me that the $99.95 price is unbundled, and the new tier does not come with any kind of a usage cap or overage fees."
Now I need to find a town with Cablevision service to move to...
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
I wish we had this kind of speed in Canada. I guess it's not so much the speed as the bandwidth caps. What the hell are we supposed to do with a 20 GB download limit?
Somehow Canada missed the boat with Unlimited download/upload.
Traffic shaping! It's fine if they do or don't do it, but will companies PLEASE start being up-front about it? Put as much spin on the damn thing as you want, just at least mention it if you're doing it.
Stuff.
They still don't offer NFL Network so, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
Either they're really going to regret promising that, or they're hiding some dirty little secret...
We've had that speed at major universities and in Japan for years now.
What slackers ...
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Don't get ready to move across the country for this service just yet. This is just the beginning. DOCSIS 3.0 is the new standard that supports bonding together traditional cable modem channels to support these kinds of speeds, and the equipment that supports it is currently in late development stages and is being tested by all of the major cable operators. You are going to see a lot more announcements like this one over the next few years, possibly in your area.
So how long until Timer Warner comes and tries to seek more legislation since they refuse to complete, or will not compete?
I think we are starting to see the little guys starting to move into the limelight, and the big boys will use bureaucracy to manage their inabilities to compete. Maybe a breakthrough will be made. Lets cross our fingers!
(As always...) there you go, fixed that for you.
Please don't use "umm" or "err" or "erm".
I bet they're feeling real good about themselves right now. *snickers*
What does this mean to the average home user who purchases the high speed service; unaware that when they bought their new PC they chose the cheaper option for their NIC card - which then becomes the slowest component on their network - wasting both money and speed?
sudo apt-get lost
The last Cablevision subscriber I saw was a friend who had a Windows machine plugged in directly into the small cable modem, with a world-routable IP address. The machine was idle and the modem was blinking constantly during the whole time I was there, without any one logged it. Needless to say, my friend complained his machine was "starting to get slow". Translation: the machine was pwnd.
I shudder at the thought of having botnets take hold of vulneratble machines sitting on 100 Mbit/s pipes.
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We've already had this discussion. A company improving their service or product offerings by impetus of competition is a fiction. If the government doesn't force them, subsidize it or directly provide it, it won't happen. Period, the end.
You may now commence sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA" until Congress or some other branch of government takes credit for this.
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Dude, financial losses? Bankrupty? Are you just trolling or are you seriously unaware of the previous threads detailing the costs to cable companies of providing broadband and upgrading their network? These companies make incredible amounts of profit, and providing internet service is incredibly cheap. In fact the costs of maintaining their networks continues to go down year after year. Docsis 3.0 is itself a network upgrade that costs very little to implement. It's not like they're offering higher speeds with the same network.
HD movie in less than 10 minutes?? That isn't a true statement. 10 minutes at 101 Mbps is only 7.5 gigs, which is the size of a DVD. Blue Ray (HD) is many times that size. 101 Mbps / 8 = 12.625 megs / sec. This times 600 seconds (10 minutes) is only 7575 MB (or 7.5 GB)
I know Verizon is exempt from any and all cases of domestic spying (which has kept me away from fIoS)
Does anybody know Cablevision's deal with Congress?
I suspect this offer from Cablevision won't last long, and $99 is ridiculously overpriced for something that ought to be nearly free like air and water.
Water isn't free. You pay for clean water via your taxes and/or water bill. Or you buy it bottled.
Posts not to be taken literally. Almost everything is sarcasm.
On the other hand, we don't have to live in Romania, which to me is a fantastic trade-off for less convenient pirating abilities.
OK, so they double-bond cable modems, giving you twice the usual speed to your desktop. Then you get on the same clogged, shared network as the rest of your neighborhood, and hope they have enough bandwidth upstream to handle the potential doubling of clients (from double-bonding). In a dense residential area (urban apartment buildings for example), I have never seen a cable company actually be able to back up their claims of speed, upload or download.
To me, this sounds as bogus as the dual-bond 56K modems where you had to buy two phone-lines just for data, and then you would want one for voice, and heck maybe even a fourth for FAX.
What's next, a seven-bladed razor?
Your infrastructure went from nearly nothing to nearly state of the art. Your infrastructure was developed in the U.S. When you have to upgrade because what you have doesn't work that is one thing. The infrastructure in the U.S. is gradually upgraded so, you have to pay for the existing before you can upgrade. This infrastructure is costly to keep up with. A moving target is much more costly than a fixed one.
At some point the broadband in the U.S. will pass you up but, it will be in the future when yours is aging.
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Now all we need is for Cablevision to drop the price by one order of magnitude. Then we can be competitive with South Korea!
Oh, and for all of you in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut, I hate you. I hate you from the depths of the Charter service area, in the midwest. Bastards.
Just because CV is upping the bandwidth does not promise a faster connection. My current connection through them has latency anywhere from 30ms to 1sec depending on many factors.
A hundred bucks a month for internet service is insane. For that kind of money a customer service rep should come over every other week and give me a blow job.
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Are you implying the RIAA is subsidizing high speed internet in order to catch people uploading their content?
Wow...
I have heard rumors that Verizon was bumping up their speeds (including that of their base package). I can't wait to see what their response to this Optimum offer looks like.
Water isn't free. You pay for clean water via your taxes and/or water bill. Or you buy it bottled.
Isn't it amazing how some people act like water falls free from the sky.
Then you want Baseball.
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
I have about an average of 22 mbps/1 mbps through my apartment complex with no caps and a static IP.
I really don't need anything higher than 22 mbps down, since most websites load instantly for me, and big downloads rarely utilize my full bandwidth anyway. I would appreciate at higher upstream, but that also is not necessary since I do not run any servers.
I guess I'm lucky that my apartment complex is considered university housing so we have direct dsl2 connections to the university's network for free.
You're nothing; like me.
Air isn't free either. Think about the taxes paid and money we shell out to plant more trees and make the world a greener place. $100 bucks for internet isn't that bad if it is your livelihood.
Yeah, or they think there's oceans of it somewhere.
My provider in Romania in 2005, four years ago and in a much less developed country, offered speeds sufficient to download a film in about 10 minutes (there was no HD then, but we were happy) for all of 15 euro a month.
How many potential customers did they serve?
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I'll have to upgrade to gigabit ethernet to get that last megabit out of it :)
Cablevision also appears to have installed an ISP caching system they market as "expresslink":
http://www.optimum.com/online/expresslink.jsp
So far, I have not noticed any ill effects of this, but it doesn't appear to be something you can opt-out of. So, even though you have a 100 mbps pipe, you may not be pulling content directly from the originating web site.
Something to keep in mind when deciding to become a Cablevision customer.
-ted
Yeah, but with that kind of pipe(huh, huh), the HD porn streaming(huh, huh) from your PC will almost feel that real...
I don't have any hard data for you, but I recently moved from Yonkers, NY to Brooklyn, NY and had to give up Cablevision for Time Warner.
With Cablevision, I could regularly pull down 5-7 MBytes/sec down and had at least 250 Kbytes/sec up. It was paradise!
Of course, now that I have time warner, my max upstream is a whopping 60 Kbytes/sec, and my downstream never goes above 1 Mbyte/sec.
Granted, Yonkers is only about a tenth of the size of Brooklyn population-wise, but everyone else I knew in Westchester county (about half the size of Brooklyn) got similar speeds from Cablevision.
I doubt that CV customers will see a true 100 mbit connection, but my experiences in a densely populated area lead me to believe they will get fairly close to delivering on this promise...
have you been seen on slash?
...in Portugal we already have two triple-play service providers offering 100Mbits download using fiber-to-home, although still not available everywhere.
The prices are quite reasonable (at least comparing to Cablevision's $99.99).
64.99 euros (around $85) for 100 channels, 100Mbps/10Mbps and phone.
I'm currently paying $80.00 per month for a damn 1mb connection. Unfortunately, I live in the country, so I need special equipment (some micro-wave broadband or something.) Still, the only reason they can get away with it is because they're the only broadband providers in the area. I've heard of some locations that have the same service for half the cost -- but they actually have local competition. If that's any indicator, this sort of service will drop in price, too, once more providers start offering these speeds.
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$100 is a large expense. I think this will keep the number of total users down. In turn, this may allow the people who purchase this service to maintain these 101 mbps download rates. The less bandwidth eaten from others the better for individual users.
Cablevision services metro New York.
4.7 million residential customers. 600,000 businesses.
No where else in the U.S. - no where else in the Western Hemisphere - will you find so tightly compacted and rich a market.
Cablevision owns Madison Square Garden, Radio City Music Hall, the Ziegfield Theater and other legendary houses.
Cablevision owns MSG, MSG Plus, Fuse, American Movie Classics, The Independent Film Channel, The Sundance Channel and We.tv.
Cablevision owns Long Island's "Newsday."
Cablevision
I pay $89.95 now for 1.5/512 here on the East Coast in CT, and that's the best deal there is, a few miles from the CO. There's no other game in town :(
If you know a place where I can get faster speeds for less (or the same!), sign me up!
Have you ever tried to drink seawater?
there are no monthly limits
How long before Cablevision changes the definition of the word "no" as other providers have changed the definition of "unlimited" in the past?
Yes, we are so far behind.
Our high speed Internet service providers are an Oligarchy (a Duopoly more specifically) in any specific region. That being the case, they rarely see the need to upgrade their services.
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I did read about an irrigation authority that was suing a farmer because he installed too efficient of a rain water catching system on his land. They said that the rain water should be flowing to the irrigation system or the water table and the farmer should then get his allocation from the authority. This was in central Washington IIRC. In central WA, all politics are water.
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I care more about getting 10Mb for $40/mo. There is no way I'm forking over $1200/year for internet. I have no use for that kind of bandwidth, way overkill for me, and I'd imagine most people.
We're not behind, the Telecoms industry is purposely ignoring the US Telecommunications Act of 1996.
We need to be suing and filing for a lien on their property until they deliver what we paid for them to deliver.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Or you have a well. It's a sweet deal if you are lucky enough.
When I had them 3 years ago, they were blocking incoming port 80 and 25, do they still do that? It was incredibly annoying.
/pedantic
Ocean water is not free for anything but cooling, and even then has corrosion/electrolytic issues.
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Now if they offered this in the SF Bay area and had static IPs I'd get it.
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Okay,
I admit I'm as interested as the next guy in having the fastest connection as the next guy, but there is another piece to the equation that most people seem to care less about.
How much does it cost the end user.
I'm recently tired of being dealing with TWC and am axing Cable and Internet from them. Just the internet piece cost ~$50 a month for 10Mb/350Kb connection.
For $30 I'm replacing it DSL from Verizon for a 3Mb/750Kb connection (that has been much more reliable in the short time I've had it).
Yeah, things take a little longer to download, but I've noticed fewer sudden drops in speed (things have been more consistent), and how fast do we really need?
100 Mb down seems great, but the $100 a month equals $1200 a year (plus taxes and fees). Compared to the DSL package I'm getting thats over $800 a year extra that you could spend on things like food, rent, movies, video games, etc. How much of that pipe are you actually going to use, and how much do you need to use before you feel like you've justified blowing that money on the connection?
I know if the offer it for $40 you'll have lots of takers and blow your over-subscribe model out of the water, but there must be some middle ground.
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And thus bittorrent was born. If the cable companies would embrace rather than fight the technology, the "local node" could offload much of the problem.
Who hasn't?
Water isn't free. You pay for clean water via your taxes and/or water bill. Or you buy it bottled.
Isn't it amazing how some people act like water falls free from the sky.
I know that was said as a joke, but in many communities around the country a normal property owner may not have rights to the surface water on their land (including rainfall).
Cablevision has always had the best broadband service in the USA. However, don't get that excited about this, $100 a month is not pocket change.
No change for NYC (At lease where you'd want to live...)
You're still stuck with Time Warner for cable.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doitt/images/charts/franchise_territories.jpg
About all we can do is bitch at the FTC for not doing enough to encourage competition in the broadband market.
How can they claim to fulfill 101mbps download when cable modems only have 100mbit ethernet connectors?
Then you're paying the grocery store for the calories needed to operate the pump...unless you grow your own food.
Are there sources out there that could actually provide 100Mb of bandwidth?
Capital letters require an extra bit.
They will have a smaller pool to monitor. Who else would pay $100/month other than the P2P users? Cablevision is also the perfect company for RIAA because they already demonstrated that they are scared shitless of getting into trouble. They have an office actually sending warning letters to users who download copyrighted material via P2P.
It's the cost of managing congestion.
If the neighborhood is provisioned to handle 20% of theoretical instantaneous maximum demand before degrading, by definition it will start to degrade when instantaneous maximum demand is hit.
The only reasonable ways to keep your customers happy all the time is either
1) Make sure your neighborhoods are provisioned above actual peak demand
2) Give up and realize you can't keep your customers happy all the time
A healthy pricing model is one that invests enough $ in each neighborhood node to keep above peak demand without spending a whole lot of extra money.
You get caught with your pants down if you budget for a particular demand level, then due to some unforseen circumstance your peak demand in that neighborhood exceeds it.
If the technology exists that you can greatly exceed your projected demand level without spending a lot of money, great. However, if the cost of providing more TB/sec to the neighborhood is huge, it will happen incrementally rather than all at once, and the likelihood of the bandwidth-provider getting caught with its pants down jumps.
Here's a hypothetical, with completely made up numbers:
Let's say a neighborhood has 100 homes and 40 customers. Let's say your usage patterns project an average of 1TB/month next month and 2TB/month a year from now over those 100 homes, with a roughly linear increase. Let's say you've already provisioned your neighborhood node to handle 5TB/month and you'll be upgrading that to 50TB/month by next year. You were going to only do 10TB by next year to cover your existing customers' increased demand but the city approved a luxury condo complex to go up 18 months from now and there are some more complexes in the planning stages and you want to be prepared.
Now let's say 3 months from now the housing market turns around, apt. occupancy rates go up, your primary competitor suffers financial difficulty and its customers flee to you, and thanks to the improving economy, that condo complex gets built early and is occupied early, all by March of next year. You now have 90 of the original homes plus another 50 high-dollar condo households.
If you don't accelerate your improvements, instead of the projected 20TB peak demand that's easily met by a 50TB pipe, you'll have something approaching a 50TB peak demand, maybe more. You risk getting caught with your pants down, if only at peak times. Most people won't notice a 5-10% drop in bandwidth or they'll blame it on "The Internet" but some will, and those some will go to the press or blog about it. Of course, if your network engineers are smart they will use the extra money from all those new customers to split the network or otherwise add capacity.
The bottom line:
As demand goes up, you have to pay money to increase capacity. Sure, the DOCSIS 3.0 jump is relatively cheap, but the jumps after that are not necessarily cheap. They may involve splitting a neighborhood, which means buying another set of equipment and spending money on labor. If this money comes from new customers, as in the example above, that's great. If instead, your customer base changes from low- and medium-volume customers to a neighborhood of people who all sit down and watch online videos at 7PM every night, then you will either have to raise prices for them, take a loss, or have your other customers subsidize them so you can pay for the necessary improvements to the infrastructure. TANSTAAFL.
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Depending on where you live, it's not necessarily free. Local water laws, especially in a headwater state like Colorado, can limit your ability to legally do things like that.
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So, if we take this to it's rogical concrusion:
"Obligatory:
It's a tlap!!!!"
Or:
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Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
Or, maybe they've been laying fiber everywhere on Long Island since forever. They beat the pants off Dish Network and Verizon here on LI for a reason...
You must realize that you do not speak for everyone here you dyslexic mental defective. It's no one's fault your dull and damaged brain is adversely affected by your natural stupidity and defective brain, and that you need 1st grade remedial reading level retraining for reading properly on your part. You obviously also lack technical prowess and proficiency in this field and on this topic because of your stupid reply here to which I am responding to. Why don't you try to contribute meaningful data on the topic at hand instead, you off topic anonymous luser post? You can't because you're stupid and you know it. All you have is your garbage off topic replies.
What a huge discrepancy there is between the sweet spots and rural areas. At least I have DSL now. Dial-up speeds over our crap phone line were often 9.6kbps. It was like 1991 all over again.
Don't trust anything that bleeds for a week and lives.
We complain about it because people in other countries are getting far higher internet speeds for the money we currently pay for much lower internet speeds.
It's like complaining about the price of a Cadillac or Viper, and then finding out in Europe they can buy them for the price of a Honda.
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English is not my native language, moron... Take this into consideration before another useless post like that...
Inglês não é a minha linguagem nativa, tolo... Leve isso em consideração antes de outro comentário inútil como esse...
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Yes I am. Who knows, once they have collected enough information about users, they may pass it on under pressure or otherwise. I mean 15MBps upload? Who REALLY needs it? Maybe some university professors/students (who have such high speeds available on campus anyway), or someone running their own servers or a minuscule number of application that really demand such high upload rates. Apart from that? Its just a thought anyway, I read somewhere in the comments that the company's past ain't a clean slate.
Real men read Slashdot articles at -1, bottom up.
...I have a 100/100 Mbps connection with no limits at a monthly cost of $21/month. That includes up to 1 GB of complementary web hosting (albeit with a crappy url) and some other small goodies. Seeing costs the like of ~$100/month just makes me laugh, really, since us Swedes paid about $25 for 100/100 Mbps connections ten years ago.
Get a grip on what little is left of your sense of humor...it's escaping fast.
Moron?
Hah! Take a good look in your mirror when you use that word next time...it wasn't me that got 'whooshed'.
English is not my native language, moron...
So, when posting on an English speaking, USA based website, you want to get insulting and resort to name-calling over a mis-understanding?
I had assumed you just made a typo, and was making a joke out of it-about your typing skills-not your command of a foreign language.
You take yourself too seriously, dude.
Take this into consideration before another useless post like that...
Indeed...
Your attitude and myopic view are why I am now marking you as 'foe'.
Now I won't see your posts to comment on and offend you anymore.
Have a good life, in spite of your attitude.
Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
Too bad most ethernet infrastructure is only 100mbit
There's one important thing that I can't seem to dig up in any of the press releases or blog entries about this: What is the committed information rate? This is the rate that they have to provide service at before they break their SLA to you. We're all familiar with the "up to 101 Mbps" marketing. Without a CIR, this is the same as saying that this lottery ticket is worth $100M*.
I loved my Cablevision data service here in NJ (the TV quality was bad). They sold me 30Mbps/5 Mbps and I could consistently get 15-20 Mbps service, for about $50-60 month with taxes and fees. This blew away my previous experience with Time Warner and Comcast. However, one time (in 2 years) it dropped for a few hours down to ~1-2Mbps and I called to complain. They said they were having issues and were going to have the problem reserved shortly. I asked for a (partial) refund for the month. The representative highlighted my contract that shows I was only entitled to ~512Kbps (if memory serves). I wasn't allowed to complain unless my service went below 512K! On a 30Mbps "connection"!
I will say that Cablevision does a very good job with their network, from the end user perspective. However, if they start dolling out 101Mbps without upgrading the backbone links, it will be hard to get 101Mbps anywhere.
*fine print: up to $100M
Disagreeing with me does not mean you get to mod me troll.
I can't get cable or DSL where I am, I'm 1/3 of a mile from the nearest cable box and still can't get comcast to extend the line to our neighborhood!
How about settling on 3Mb/s to all of us instead of 100Mb/s to some and 56Kb/s to the rest of us?
How did the UK force BT to offer these services to everyone and the US can't be bothered?
It's the only fair way to deal with companies that tier and oversubscribe to hell.
And if someone winds up congested because the upstream is clogged, metering will prevent him from paying the same for less service.
Isn't it amazing how some people act like water falls free from the sky.
Yeah--it's 'free' throughout most of the United States--but for some strange reason Washington State says it's illegal for you to collect rainwater falling from the sky.
There's no place like
Your response is a typical north-american response... Try to put some comment on any board with a non-english language (try portuguese, if you can) and get a moron insultating you because you don't knows every single rule and word from their language, and you maybe will understand my irritation.
Double moron for you, stupid. You earned this with your "educated response".
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If they're doubling WiFi from 1.5Mbs to 3.0Mbs then they're clearly, and severely, limiting it. Twice nothing is still nothing, and while this is something it is definitely a choked something.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Your response is a typical north-american response... Try to put some comment on any board with a non-english language (try portuguese, if you can) and get a moron insultating you because you don't knows every single rule and word from their language, and you maybe will understand my irritation. Double moron for you, stupid. You earned this with your "educated response".
They're called Grammar Nazis, so he's obviously not from North America. --Lockblade Oh, BTW: If you're going to insult someone, it honestly does make it more effective if you take the time to correct grammar. Just because English isn't your native language does not make you immune to the rules.
Unfortunately in a lot of areas CLEAN water doesn't fall free from the sky.
I've eaten plenty of salmon, bass, sharks, eels, shrimp, clams, oysters, mussels, crabs, lobsters, flat fish. and eels that came out of that "good for nothing" ocean water. I've also been out on that good-for-nothing ocean water at 90mph, and I've gone swimming in it.
Believe me, that ocean water is good for stuff besides cooling. :)
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I know I do not are "immune" to rules... But is more difficult to write something on a non-native language than your native language, then is difficult to write without ANY errors. But, thanks for the - more - educated response, and I can see the "rts008" have some angry friends with mod points.
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I'm actually impressed with your grasp of English despite it not being your native language. As for those who get frustrated with bad grammar, it happens because they associate it with the more common instance of a stupid pre-teen or uneducated adult born and raised in America with access to the internet. Their idiocy knows no bounds.
You should be happy about it. WE PAY FOR THE WATER RESULTED FROM THE RAIN!!! The tax says something like you must pay x amount/square meter of roof * m(the average quantity of raining water in a year in your region) - the resulted amount is small per capita, but is a tax. Is buried somewhere with other taxes and most of the people don't even know that they pay it. On the other hand I pay 25 lei(~7.8$) for 5-6 Mb/s download and 4-5 Mb/s. And I have the latency to play TF2 on UK servers. Oh.. and no caps. And forgive the kid that uses DC++ most of the techies around here moved years ago to torrents.
Crazy. Has that ever been tested in court? It seems like an awfully hard claim to back up.
I mean, okay, I understand drinking water is not an unlimited resource and governments could lay claim to regulating that -- but seriously, regulating something that falls from the sky? What's next, a sunbathing tax to support all the poor tanning salons who lose business from those unscrupulous sunbathers?
Probably true. Due to the fact that we had a monopoly ten years ago that forced people to find ways to connect to internet we had like 5 years ago something like 3000-4000 small ISP... that are now brought by the 2 biggest companies RDS and UPC. UPC sucks and doesn't know our market. But they made some behind doors deals... so if you have both companies on the same street if you are on one side of that street you can connect only UPC, if you are on the other side you can connect only to RDS. :))
RDS knows it's market and uses cheap china eq so if something goes down they have 10 spare parts that cost 100 time less then cisco eq. In my bulding there are 6 8 port swiches each with a fiber uplink for 40 apartments. There are no markings on the swiches only a small RDS logo + mac addresses. From my experience they change one or two every year, usually with better ones. The longest downtime was 12h after a storm, their explanation was that in the storm they lost more eq then they expected. What is sad about romanians is that most of the times they ask for the highest speed... and they get the same speed I get for a higher price. :))
So no, I expect my Gb connection in a few years. How soon do you thing you'll get yours? :P
NetZero offered free dialup. For a while it was unlimited, then they started limited how long you could be on, then eventually they just ended the free service.
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Even if you get a Fiber last mile to your house or apartment if that Fiber is owned by the telcos without government forced deregulation as they had in Japan, you will still be stuck with the same BS scarcity myths and tiered pricing and bandwidth caps and deep packet inspection and without net neutrality. You will NOT BE FREE and will have less than what you should, less than what your tax dollars already should have bought you!
The only viable solution is complete forced government deregulation as they have had in Japan in 2000.
OR
A new independent of the current American telcos company that owns its own fibers, owns its own data centers, owns its own deep sea cables to other continents so that they will NOT be forced by the current monopoly / duopoly American Telcos to artificially limit their service to consumers. (Note: to be independent the company must have its own connections overseas and NOT be dependent on any of the current telcos in any country where deregulation has not already occurred.. They must be independent of peering agreements and artificial constraints meant to ONLY to control them and hurt you.)
When you have fiber to your door and have either 100MB/100MB for $55 per month or 1GB / 1GB is expected to be less than $52.00 per month or 1 TB / 1 TB for less than $45 per month; no caps (they are NOT necessary); no censorship (Deep Packet Inspection as it is NOT necessary); no throttling of service (as it is NOT necessary);
than and only than will you be secure in yours and your families future internet access. You can do without cable TV, but you can NOT do without the Internet today.
History has shown us how the telcos operate and it is NOT good for consumers. Accept that without intervention they have no incentive to change their customer-no-service business practices.
Some of the facts as we know them today, 2009, are:
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This can only help competition. I have FiOS at 20Mbps/20Mbps (up/down). Perhaps Verizon will follow suit and starting boosting or offering higher speed services.
Running surface water in a channel (stream, creek, river) has certain limits on it in pretty much every US state.
First off, anything deemed "navigable" belongs to the US government even if your land surrounds it on three sides. Nobody owns part of the Mississippi, for example, and if the river washes away 400 square feet of banks from your property you've lost 400 square feet of property. OTOH, if 400 square feet of land washes up next to your land through accretion, that's yours.
In Illinois and some other states, a creek, pond, or lake that is surrounded on all sides by your property you can utilize how you want. That may be different in other states, and I wouldn't know (other than that Missouri appears to be the same) which to tell you are different.
If a creek flows onto your property or onto your neighbor's property from yours, there is joint ownership of the water rights in Illinois. This is true even if the creek starts from a spring completely within one owner's parcel of land. Ponds or lakes that cover land owned by more than one person are likewise joint resources. You can't just take up someone else's water from the land and use it how you want.
All of that's not legal advice, as I'm not a lawyer. It is what they teach in real estate agency classes in Illinois for the agents to be able to advise their clients about water rights.
The specifics of rain water capture vs. running surface water are another matter yet again. In drier areas or areas where the water resources are spread thin by irrigation and large urban populations placed nonsensically far away from adequate water supplies I can imagine the issues are much more contentious.
Or you have a well. It's a sweet deal if you are lucky enough.
And how many people are? Do you have any idea what's in that water, between dissolved minerals, microbial contamination, toxic waste leakage, etc.? I'll keep getting my water from the local water district that treats and cleans and softens it, thanks.
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To be fair the previous discussion talked about "clean" water, as in piped in.
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The complaint is not that there is tiered service and pricing.
The complaint is that in South Korea you can get 70/20 mbit connections for $30, while here in Huntsville, Alabama, a 8/640K connection costs $60.
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