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Photoshop Disaster Draws DMCA Notice For Boing Boing

Pickens writes: "Cory Doctorow writes that Ralph Lauren issued a DMCA takedown notice after Boing Boing republished the Photoshop disaster contained in a Ralph Lauren advertisement in which a model's proportions appear to have been altered to give her an impossibly skinny body with the model's head larger than her pelvis. Doctorow says that one of the things that makes their ISP Priority Colo so awesome is that they don't automatically act on DMCA takedowns and proceeded to dare Lauren to sue. 'This is classic fair use: a reproduction "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting," etc,' writes Doctorow. 'Copyright law doesn't give you the right to threaten your critics for pointing out the problems with your offerings.' Doctorow adds that every time Lauren threatens to sue he will 'reproduce the original criticism, making damned sure that all our readers get a good, long look at it,' 'publish your spurious legal threat along with copious mockery,' and 'offer nourishing soup and sandwiches to your models.'"

391 comments

  1. kudos by hydrolyzer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    to their ISP, all the comments on that article mean something, but its the people with at least a fair amount of money behind them (such as mid-size ISP's, in fact) that can make a real difference. Not only in hilarious copyright battles such as this, but pretty much everything. Good on them for actually making a difference

  2. I'm grateful by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Funny

    That Boing Boing was able to get us the skinny on this.

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    1. Re:I'm grateful by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ralph Lauren's Legal Case is kinda thin.

    2. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That Boing Boing was able to get us the skinny on this.

      You walk on a thin line when you make jokes like that.

    3. Re:I'm grateful by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Some of us might even say that Ralph Lauren was walking a thin line between "ideal" beauty and pedophilia after seeing that awful picture.

    4. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 1, Funny

      (bkspc) (bkspc) (bkspc)

      I was going to say something about the impartiality of the judges and legislating from the bench, but I've reconsidered. I'm not touching this skeleton with a size 0 dress.

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    5. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      P.S.

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Photoshop and other digital manipulation for photos used in advertising. In fact all they really need to do is amend the "truth in advertising" laws.

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    6. Re:I'm grateful by SoupGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have you been discussing this on Yahoo or reddit?

      I don't come to slashdot for the bleeding edge news, I come for the insightful (well, sometimes) discussion of the interesting news stories that might be a day old.

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    7. Re:I'm grateful by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Pedophilia? No. Necrophilia, maybe. That body isn't compatible with life-as-we-know-it for very long. You have to wonder WTF the Ralph Lauren editor was thinking when they approved that photoshop. It's just bad - both artistically and technically.

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    8. Re:I'm grateful by JustOK · · Score: 1

      its a model of internet humor.

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    9. Re:I'm grateful by vmxeo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ralph Lauren's response was also obviously disproportionate

    10. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In France they recently passed such a law if I'm not mistaken. Just wait a few decades for it to blow over.

    11. Re:I'm grateful by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Usually /. is ahead of the curve, but lately they've been behind it.

      Wait.. what? When was this?

      This exact complaint has been going on since before 2000.

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    12. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe the artist was an Ex who wanted to get back at the model!

    13. Re:I'm grateful by mcsqueak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Photoshop and other digital manipulation for photos used in advertising.

      I don't know how easy it would be to do. You shouldn't just have a blanket banning of Photoshop, because it can be used to reproduce a lot of valid darkroom techniques, such as color adjustments, contrast, levels, dodge and burn, etc... things that are legitimate and need to be done to most photos.

      It is awful the digital manipulation like this is used, however... and it just looks flat out FAKE. You can tell when someone has been over-Photoshopped because they just look "off" somehow.

    14. Re:I'm grateful by MarkvW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You couldn't ban digital manipulation of photos used in advertising.

      Advertising speech gets first amendment protection, albeit not as much protection as policical speech, for example. But it does get protection.

      One obvious First Amendment problem that you run into is overbreadth.

      There are a lot of good uses for Photoshop in advertising--like making really cool surrealistic advertising videos, for example. Such videos are not misleading and there is no legitimate interest in regulating them. Any law that would bar their production merely because they were digitally created would violate the First Amendment.

    15. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

    16. Re:I'm grateful by teyu · · Score: 1

      The early bird gets the worm. Wait...

    17. Re:I'm grateful by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      It indeed reminds me of my grandfather when he had terminal cancer. But actually, one can live with a body like that: it's called polio. Ever heard of the Goddess Bunny?

    18. Re:I'm grateful by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 1

      Hideously disproportionate. Lauren's response was a pumpkin on a fencepost. Jack Skellington after lent. Comet Hyatuke.

      A mushroom-shaped tantrum, one may say.

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    19. Re:I'm grateful by sconeu · · Score: 1

      It's life, Jim,
      but not as we know it
      not as we know it
      not as we know it.
      It's life, Jim,
      but not as we know it, Captain!

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    20. Re:I'm grateful by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 1

      This is funny: go back and look at the picture, and imagine it as a Don Berg fold-up from the last page of Mad Magazine. It totally works.

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    21. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thin? No, their legal case is photoshopped.

      This was a win-win for RL. Look at it this way: the publicity puts this picture out there with loads of exposure I'll bet they sell ridiculous numbers of that frumpy blouse. And that's even if they never bother to take the case to court.

      CD is doing exactly what their PR twits want him to.

    22. Re:I'm grateful by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      And we're just now realizing it!

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    23. Re:I'm grateful by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have an idea, how about making sure that the ORIGINAL unedited version is available upon request, with a link in the advertisement to the source of the original.

      Kind of like, Open Source for Photography?

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    24. Re:I'm grateful by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are just starved for attention.

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    25. Re:I'm grateful by Duradin · · Score: 1

      So what about good ol' smoke and mirrors optical effects or airbrushing or any of the other myriad analog ways of manipulating a picture?

      Just playing with the lighting to put shadows in the right spot can make a big difference. Should light sources be banned too?

    26. Re:I'm grateful by CTalkobt · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Have you been discussing this on Yahoo or reddit? I don't come to slashdot for the bleeding edge news, I come for the insightful (well, sometimes) discussion of the interesting news stories that might be a day old.

      I'm sorry I have to....
      Let me guess ... you're new here?

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    27. Re:I'm grateful by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Al Jaffee do the Mad magazine fold-ins?

    28. Re:I'm grateful by Xsydon · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why I come to slashdot. The majority the commentary brings an interesting twist to the article and the trolls are easily hidden.

    29. Re:I'm grateful by Whorhay · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if we were to ban photoshopping in advertisements what would be next, banning makeup? It's just not going to happen and if it did it wouldn't be worth the trouble. Just push for honesty in advertising in general and hope for the best.

    30. Re:I'm grateful by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 1

      You have to wonder WTF the Ralph Lauren editor was thinking when they approved that photoshop. It's just bad - both artistically and technically.

      That's what makes me think this is a stunt by a fed-up photo manipulator to draw attention to the issue.

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    31. Re:I'm grateful by Old97 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Slashdot to propose unconstitutional laws.

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    32. Re:I'm grateful by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

      We have too many laws and thus too many loopholes. We need to remove the un needed bloatware type laws and enforce the lean mean laws first.

      "There ought to be a Law"

      Should be changed to:

      "There ought NOT be a Law"

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    33. Re:I'm grateful by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I work in design and have done more Photoshop work than I care to recall. It certainly is an extremely useful tool and can't be banned outright, however, they could impose very clear limits on retouching photos of people.

      I personally see two problems. The first is covering up imperfections, freckles, beauty marks, lumps, etc. The second is thinning out individual body parts and in some extreme cases taking the entire person and making them more narrow.

      There's a big drawback here, however. This wont address the use of heavy makeup, creative lighting or photography. And movies have always used all sorts of techniques to make actors look amazing. Celebrities are sometimes virtually unrecognizable in person because of how heavily they're done up for movies. And agencies will likely push models to lose even more weight. Photoshop ultimately is one small part of the larger problem of creating very unrealistic expectations of how people should look.

      I've had friends who couldn't be with a girl if she didn't have the perfect complexion and body type depicted in the media. I've also known many girls who lament how terrible they supposedly look compared to celebrities. But how the hell do you change these attitudes in a culture so addicted to celebrity culture? And it's not a problem unique to the US either. It's bad enough in Europe, and probably even worse than the US in Asia.

    34. Re:I'm grateful by TomRK1089 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have fun clicking that link in print. :P

    35. Re:I'm grateful by ubrgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that'll happen right after the Big Mac that I order ends up looking just like the one in the commercial.

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    36. Re:I'm grateful by Leynos · · Score: 1

      Personally, I come here for the trolls.

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    37. Re:I'm grateful by mcsqueak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have fun clicking that link in print. :P

      Because, you can't, you know... type it into a web browser. They could also implement a QR barcode you could take a picture with using your phone. Seems like a semi-reasonable idea to me.

    38. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The model will get a big head over the attention.

    39. Re:I'm grateful by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, banning photoshop is nonsensical. It's not the tool, it's the use to which it is put.

      This sounds like a job for the swarm. There's a lot more people out there with photoshop experience, able to spot these kinds of manipulations, than these companies could hope to pursue. Let's not leave it just to Photoshop Disaster. If a few thousand geeks pursue them relentlessly, we could see real results.

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    40. Re:I'm grateful by pfleming · · Score: 1

      Personally, I come here for the trolls.

      But today you got a wasted away elf.

    41. Re:I'm grateful by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Also, before photoshop there was the airbrush. Doctored photos in ads are almost as old as photos in ads. And many ads aren't even photos at all, but photorealistic drawings and paintings.

    42. Re:I'm grateful by Nikker · · Score: 1

      Manipulating images is fine as long as it is obvious that it is art and not a representation of something real. Wheather or not they used Photoshop to do the work doesn't really mean anything it's just so damn obvious it's fake I'm supprised marketing let it out the door. People should definately be able to laugh at this kind of stuff cause well it is funny. It also is fucked they want to show this kind of thing cause I would probably shit myself if I saw a man or woman looking anything remotely like that, maybe pay a couple of bucks at a freak show but that's about it.

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    43. Re:I'm grateful by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The trolls usually give me a chuckle...except the GNAA posts, those are just repulsive...

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    44. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just don't understand posts like this. If you're so upset, delete the bookmark to slashdot, close the tab, and don't come back.

      Why do you feel the need to point out how the story's been on some other site X days ago? Why are you so upset about it? You're not a subscriber so what exactly are you losing here? What exactly are you adding to the discussion at hand?

      Or is this your way of letting everyone know how much HIPPER than we? Well done. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    45. Re:I'm grateful by CherniyVolk · · Score: 2, Informative

      I worked in a Print Shop for several years. Don't give me any of that dark room crap please. On one hand, you are right but you are intentionally blind to the exploitation that *will* take place giving *any* leniency to those in marketing and advertising. Their habitual lies resemble that of a heroin addiction in that, only a fool would suggest they might have any restraint.

      I'm tired of looking at advertisements. Of all the hamburgers I have ever eaten, not on has every looked remotely close to any of the hamburger advertisements for their respected establishment. EVER! Yet, the laws aren't in-place or enforced to ensure their advertisements are somewhat *accurate*? The only restaurants that has ever had reasonable display advertisements for their food are the 24hr Mexican food shops in Southern California; where they literally pick a random plate for a customer and take a picture, print it out and post it on the board.

      Is that what I want in advertisement, the grainy messy photos? YES! Because that's what you get at those establishments, and the images are damn accurate to what gets plopped in front of you! Bravo for the Roberto's of Southern California. If I want a artsy and obviously fake photo, I'll look for my computer's backdrop on deviantart.com.

      There is a measurable bounds here somewhere. While the skinny girl in the Ralph Lauren is so grotesquely obvious, I think everyone finds it to be equally obvious that much of any printed advertisement, is too, faked/corrected/enhanced or otherwise some sort of visual trickery like a weird angle off-color lights, accents and hilights, or any single or combination of other stupid tricks on presentation and aesthetics.

      It should all be banned from advertisement. If they want the burger to look good, then make the burger look good; it's a disservice to higher an artist to draw up a fantasy burger to pawn off as if it's an accurate representation.

    46. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bawwwwww

    47. Re:I'm grateful by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [Photoshop] certainly is an extremely useful tool and can't be banned outright, however, they could impose very clear limits on retouching photos of people.

      Who is "they" and how would they impose these arbitrary limits on photo retouching?

      The problem isn't necessarily with the advertising agencies who are trying their best to fool us that their client/product is "better" than they actually are. That's what they've always done and that is what they will continue to do.

      The problem is with the increasing number of people in our society who lack critical thinking skills and don't question what is presented to them.

      What's nefarious about this particular DMCA take down notice is that its only purpose is to squelch critical opinion on advertising techniques. (It is also just another example of how the DMCA has little to do with copyright protection and is more about handing over control of our culture to the media companies).

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    48. Re:I'm grateful by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I work in design and have done more Photoshop work than I care to recall. It certainly is an extremely useful tool and can't be banned outright,

      As someone who has done and still occasionally does professional graphic design work (print, web, signage, etc.), I have to agree: Photoshop is essential to the process of design, especially for covers, ads, etc. It's used for a lot more than hiding someone's features, too: virtually every photo that goes into a publication needs to be at least tweaked a little bit in Photoshop, and if you plan on doing anything that is a composite of several layers of photographs, well, forget it. You can't do it without Photoshop. You just can't. (Okay,. you can get by with Gimp... but we're talking about a technique and not a program.)

      I've had friends who couldn't be with a girl if she didn't have the perfect complexion and body type depicted in the media. I've also known many girls who lament how terrible they supposedly look compared to celebrities. But how the hell do you change these attitudes in a culture so addicted to celebrity culture? And it's not a problem unique to the US either. It's bad enough in Europe, and probably even worse than the US in Asia.

      This is entirely cultural. You can't blame it on the ad agencies. Making someone look better than they really are happens all the time, but this problem existed before "Display" (the program that would later become Photoshop) was a gleem in Thomas Knoll's eyes.

    49. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the U.S. Congress should ban assholes on the internet who think there should be a law for everything. Fuck off, commie!

    50. Re:I'm grateful by savuporo · · Score: 1

      Adobe called, they want their trademark back. And they dont want to be banned.

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    51. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have fun clicking that link in print. :P

      Because, you can't, you know... type it into a web browser. They could also implement a QR barcode you could take a picture with using your phone. Seems like a semi-reasonable idea to me.

      URL != link.

    52. Re:I'm grateful by mcsqueak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I worked in a Print Shop for several years. Don't give me any of that dark room crap please.

      Good for you. My late father owned his own commercial photo studio and print lab for about 23 years, in which I spent a great deal of time. I have also shot photography professionally, so I know good and well about "darkroom crap" as well as clever tricks that can be pulled off during the photo shoot itself, without any after-manipulation.

      Here is how I see it: yes, it's gross and dishonest when advertisers try and use these tricks to pull a fast one on consumers. However, I think the problem is that we need to redefine what a photograph is.

      Only in print journalist (and not even there sometimes) is a photograph a literal slice of a moment in time. Most every other photograph needs to not be look upon as literal truth, but as an idealized version of reality.

      Think of all those photos of friends and family smiling, posing for a photograph. Is that how life is all the time? No, it's a posed photo, an idealized version of that point in time. I personally see photography much the same way, and try not to take it personally when a hamburger in an ad looks different than the one on my plate. It's fucked up, but that's how it is, in my view.

    53. Re:I'm grateful by dubbreak · · Score: 1
      That was a recent daily WTF post.

      "I have just one thing that makes me uneasy about this whole thing," he said, "when we mail these documents to our customers, I don't want them to be able to click on that link to go to our site."

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    54. Re:I'm grateful by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      Not only does Al Jaffee do the fold-ins, but the GP seems to have melded the late great Mad artists Don Martin and Dave Berg.

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    55. Re:I'm grateful by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      But you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. Eminent harm. What about the eating disorders, and self-estem/body-image consequences, that occur when such marketing is targeted directly at the audience most vulnerable to said harm? If marketers want to present such fantastic images as an idealization rather than a fantasy, shouldn't they have to pay for the harm? Perhaps, in cases where its judged they've crossed the line, they should be taxed some multiplier times the total cost of the ad campaign, to be used specifically to alleviate the damage they are causing? There is a poetic justice to linking responsibility to consequences. It might even become a meme.

    56. Re:I'm grateful by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      He posted that comment in 1996, but it was stuck in the editing queue until now.

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    57. Re:I'm grateful by mattack2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      or, hey, a bar code you can swipe with a cat-shaped thing, and make another company go bankrupt!

    58. Re:I'm grateful by Captain+Hook · · Score: 1

      makeup is an effect which can be reproduced in real life with some basic equipment and skill.

      Photos are edited like precisely because the effects are not possible in real life (outside of a tiny number of models perhaps).

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    59. Re:I'm grateful by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      Its not the effect that should be illegal, but rather the impact of distributing the result. Idolizing diseases for fun and profit isn't political speech, rather its predatory behavior. Thus, photographic techniques, lighting techniques, etc..., can contribute to a marketing campaign that crosses a line and should be actionable. Any technique could be problematic, but its not the technique that is the issue. Its the use the technique is put to, and the consequences that thereby accrue.

    60. Re:I'm grateful by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      As what was once considered culture becomes more and more to be considered property, the designers, owners and creators of said culture should be held responsible. If you are willing and able to spend the money to modify behavior on a national level for profit, you should be held accountable for the costs associated with the negative consequences of the behavior you've purchased.

    61. Re:I'm grateful by omuls+are+tasty · · Score: 1

      The very best comment from the blog:

      I had no idea Pez had a "Fashion Week" dispenser line.

      Awshumz.

    62. Re:I'm grateful by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, where can I get the original source? I mean the model. I'd like to do some code checking. :P

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    63. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      There is a British parliament member that wishes to impose health warnings on digitally altered images.

      "Warning: this photo is digitally enhanced at scale 4. People normally don't look like this."

    64. Re:I'm grateful by meadowsoft · · Score: 1

      Well, the Microsoft Tag concept should be used for SOMETHING, so why not this?

    65. Re:I'm grateful by Sparton · · Score: 1

      I have an idea, how about making sure that the ORIGINAL unedited version is available upon request, with a link in the advertisement to the source of the original.

      Two problems:

      1) This is only possible to implement online, and not in TV/Magazines/Handout paper ads/etc

      2) What's stopping me from doing a few filter/saturation changes after doing any major liquefy work (ie submitting a photo that has been manipulated)? Care to inform us how you'll be able to prove that "her cheek bones aren't that high" or some similar manipulation?

    66. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Because you can't find trolls anywhere else.

    67. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really think a bunch of graphic artists able to spot photo retouches is going to make any difference at all? Then on top of it you don't even need anyone with skills to call out a retouched photo they ALL are retouched. Any magazine you open or any print at least.

      Last month I watched a movie called "The September Issue" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1331025/ a documentary on Vogue magazine. They pull out all the stops without any shame, including replacing the head of pictures with the body of other pictures. They even go so far as to do some photographic denistry work on a star. You think they really care if people try and call it out?

    68. Re:I'm grateful by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Ralph Lauren's Legal Case is kinda thin.

      Not to mention they obviously let their photoshop skills go to their heads.

    69. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had friends who couldn't be with a girl if she didn't have the perfect complexion and body type depicted in the media.

      I've had friends who couldn't be with a girl unless she was in fact a guy. Others were into piercing, tats, bondage, fur. So what? People have a variety of turn-ons and -offs. People are into adornment. Always have been. Always. Commerce rides on it, both the mainstream tastes and the "counter-culture".

      Sorry but I think _you_ have "very unrealistic expectations of how people should look." I mean you're entirely welcome to criticize what you call an addiction to celebrity culture, but I think you need to get beyond your ideal that 'honest' presentation isn't just some sort of puritanical bullshit that's just as outwardly enforced as the celebrity culture you're bugged about right now.

      Us apes are hardwire addicted to plumage. We put a lot into it -- lifestyle, nest, & body. It's complicated, and it'd be worth your while to think further into it than you have just yet.

    70. Re:I'm grateful by dotgain · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it doesn't bother Adobe the slightest little bit that their dear trademark "Photoshop" has in turn become the ubiquitous term for any sort of manipulation, right from the industries down to the plebs. Not in the slightest.

    71. Re:I'm grateful by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is awful the digital manipulation like this is used, however... and it just looks flat out FAKE. You can tell when someone has been over-Photoshopped because they just look "off" somehow.

      It is pretty sickening that Madison avenue has so distorted our view of how women should look that they're starting to move INTO the uncanny valley.

    72. Re:I'm grateful by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      Adobe called, they want their trademark back.

      I'd be fairly sure that Adobe aren't that worried about "photoshopping" becoming a generic word, much like Google won't be anxious about "googling" becoming a defacto term for search. The instant recognition such use provides for their products would be well worth being a bit less anal about it, much like Hoover and Kleenex haven't complained about their generic use.

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    73. Re:I'm grateful by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      "There ought to be a Law"

      Should be changed to:

      "There ought NOT be a Law"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

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    74. Re:I'm grateful by ukemike · · Score: 1

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Photoshop and other digital manipulation for photos used in advertising. In fact all they really need to do is amend the "truth in advertising" laws.

      OMG! some almost inconsequentially minor problem!!! There should be a law!! Actually I think that the esteemed Mr. Doctorow has taken exactly the kind of step that is best for dealing with this sort of thing. He has mocked them publicly.

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    75. Re:I'm grateful by Andorin · · Score: 1

      This was a win-win for RL. Look at it this way: the publicity puts this picture out there with loads of exposure I'll bet they sell ridiculous numbers of that frumpy blouse. And that's even if they never bother to take the case to court.

      CD is doing exactly what their PR twits want him to.

      Right, because people will look at the post, see the obviously edited image, read the accompanying article explaining the epic fail, and proceed to buy the blouse and/or think well enough of RL that their sales will increase?

      News flash. Bad press is generally, you know, bad.

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    76. Re:I'm grateful by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      There are some efforts to at least educate people about it. Saw this piece from Dove soap in a similar thread recently:

      http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.ca/bblank.asp?id=6942

    77. Re:I'm grateful by steelfood · · Score: 1

      How about just changing public perception of being thin?

      Instead of trying to be thin, or conversely, trying to be fat, how about encouraging people to try to be just right? Or around just right?

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    78. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, such a law would be unconstitutional.

    79. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that one's easy. See, It's not a law, it's an "executive order".

    80. Re:I'm grateful by promythyus · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I would mod this funny. Unfortunately, our dear friend steelfood has not had much interaction with 18-23 old females, and hence doesn't understand they have a craving for fighting each other no matter what.

    81. Re:I'm grateful by haploc · · Score: 1

      "Hey babe, your barcode looks kinda thin to me!"

    82. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooh, puns!

      You got reddit in my slashdot! :(

    83. Re:I'm grateful by unwastaken · · Score: 1

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Slashdot to propose unconstitutional laws.

      Obviously your post would be the first to go!

    84. Re:I'm grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Does that include the use of digital camera processing? Air brushing? The use of mirrors? Composite shots? Make-up?

      I have an idea, instead of arbitrarily banning things you don't like in an ill thought out and short-sighted knee jerk reaction you could try to improve the education of the people who fall for this crap.

    85. Re:I'm grateful by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      There is a British parliament member that wishes to impose health warnings on digitally altered images.

      "Warning: this photo is digitally enhanced at scale 4. People normally don't look like this."

      A mandatory "This image has been digitally enhanced" would be a fair compromise IMO. It seems to me that a lot of people aren't even aware of this.

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    86. Re:I'm grateful by Doggabone · · Score: 1

      Ralph Lauren's Legal Case is kinda thin.

      From the Boing Boing article:

      As Wendy Seltzer from the Chilling Effects project said, "Sounds like a pretty solid fair use case to me. If criticism diminishes its effectiveness, that's different from the market substitution copyright protects against. And I've rarely seen a thinner DMCA form-letter."

      No-one can resist the pun, it seems.

    87. Re:I'm grateful by darkvizier · · Score: 1

      It is awful the digital manipulation like this is used, however... and it just looks flat out FAKE. You can tell when someone has been over-Photoshopped because they just look "off" somehow.

      Right, so we should ban any photographs that look '"off" somehow'. Let's put it on the books!

    88. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>valid darkroom techniques, such as color adjustments, contrast, levels, dodge and burn, etc...

      False advertising, false advertising, false advertising. If the image presented has been altered then it's misleading to the customer who is spending money. It's time for ads to show REAL people, not imaginary computer-created people. The alternative is not being able to believe what you see ("Did she really lose 50 pounds thanks to DietX Supplement, or is that just manipulation?")

      Also if you hire a GOOD photographer he can avoid a lot of those color or "too dark" errors simply by adjusting the lighting, and double-checking the image as it appears on his LCD screen. No need for post-processing.

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    89. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Print advertisers are held responsible for false claims made - like "lose 100 pounds in one day". Likewise the visual advertisers should be held responsible for showing people that don't actually exist in the real world.

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    90. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Advertising speech gets first amendment protection

      Except in the following instances: (1) Corporations which are not human and therefore don't have human rights (IMHO). And (2) when the "free speech" violates truth-in-advertising laws and mislead the customer. For example you can't use free speech to claim your fuel magnet will make a care increase it's MPG by 50% when said product does not. Neither should you be able to display ultrathin women with big boobs that don't actually exist in the real world.

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    91. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I don't have a problem using Photoshop to create magazine covers or internal layouts.

      I have a problem with Photoshop using imaginary, computer-created people to deceive & suck money out of consumer wallets. It should be banned from the ads, and if the result is uglier ads...... tough shit for the corporations.

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    92. Re:I'm grateful by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "I've also known many girls who lament how terrible they supposedly look compared to celebrities."

      Sounds like an opportunity to console them...

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    93. Re:I'm grateful by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      IMHO it isn't Madison Avenue, it is the Fashion industry. It is pretty much run by homosexual men. In most industries I'd say we shouldn't care, but in this particular one, it makes a difference.

      The problem that comes in is that this means that the people deciding how women should look are people who don't particularly care for real women's bodies. This is why models are expected to be tall, with at little female shape to their bodies as possible. In order to get that "boy" shape, they have to starve themselves.

      Ever notice that the models on the front of actual (hetro) men's magazines look absolutely nothing like fashion models? This is the difference.

      If anything, this photoshopping is a humane act. No model was actually forced to starve herself to look like that.

    94. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>OMG! some almost inconsequentially minor problem!!!

      Every ad you look at is filled with people who don't really exist in the real world. They are computer creations. And they are used to deceive & suck money from consumer wallets. This is NOT a minor problem - it's a major one

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    95. Re:I'm grateful by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      If you interpret "link" to mean "hyperlink", yes this wouldn't work for media other than the web.

      If you interpret "link" to mean some way to access the original, I think "Send a SASE [self-addressed stamped envelope] to 'Ralph Lauren Cover Photo, P.O. Box 12345, Hollywood CA 67890'" in small print at the bottom of the photo would be the TV/Magazine/Newspaper equivalent of a hyperlink.

    96. Re:I'm grateful by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 1

      Yes! Epic fail: I f'd up three names with one reference! +3 internets for me. (crawls back into cave)

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    97. Re:I'm grateful by cgenman · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Dove's amazing evolution commercial yet.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U

    98. Re:I'm grateful by formfeed · · Score: 1

      It looks like it's pretty much blown out of proportion

  3. It is kind of sad to think by rimugu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is kind of sad to think that some people will think she looks perfectly normal. Event though they have never seen someone like that, just other adds, tv, etc.

    1. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't you just feel the thinspiration wash over you?

    2. Re:It is kind of sad to think by mcgrew · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      That would have been my ideal woman when I was young. These days I like 'em a bit softer. Notice how she looks like a Barbie doll? I'm surprised Mattell hasn't sued Ralph Lauren. Maybe that's why they want to keep the picture secret?

      I loved this quote: "Dude, her head's bigger than her pelvis"

      There's a hooker here I called "Bighead" in one of my journals. She looks a lot like the model in the photoshopped photo, except that a woman that skinny has no shape. Actually, the model's arms and legs aren't as skinny as Snake's ("Snake" is my new neckname for her).

    3. Re:It is kind of sad to think by religious+freak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think most models look disgusting. I don't like fat chicks, but super-crazy skinny is almost as gross. Give me an athletic chick any day of the week over that "skinny" nonsense.

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    4. Re:It is kind of sad to think by commodore64_love · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      >>>a woman that skinny has no shape.

      You'd be surprised. Although it's typical for thin women to have little cleavage, sometimes you see the rare thin woman with large breasts. They are like rare freaks of nature.

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    5. Re:It is kind of sad to think by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Skinny is one thing, but there's not enough room in her lower torso to hold a spinal column, much less a stomach, liver, kidneys and other assorted gizzards. If someone really looked like that, they'd be long dead...

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not against skinny (although heroin chic is kinda spooky), but this picture takes spooky to a whole other level. This is less of a "Schindlers List" and more of a "someone cut my belly open, removed all of the contents, wrapped my spinal column in pressure tape, then covered the whole thing with a tight shirt".

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    6. Re:It is kind of sad to think by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      They are like rare freaks of nature.

      Or of Science (NSFW pics)

    7. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, she looks perfectly normal for an Ethereal. I think that X-COM sould pay that advertisement company a visit and investigate a possible infiltration.

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    8. Re:It is kind of sad to think by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      I don't see where the head is wider than her pelvis; it might look like that, but her pevlis is also turned about 45 degrees, making it look narrower. Not that they didn't photoshop it, but there are other tricks to be done before you even get the photo onto a computer (Myspace voodoo).

    9. Re:It is kind of sad to think by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Erin Stern?

    10. Re:It is kind of sad to think by residieu · · Score: 1

      No, it was clearly meant to be a Caricature of a model to attract attention (it worked, didn't it). No one would believe that's what she really looked like.

    11. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Internal+Modem · · Score: 1

      I think the pose contributes to the look more than Photoshop.

    12. Re:It is kind of sad to think by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      Although it's typical for thin women to have little cleavage, sometimes you see the rare thin woman with large breasts.

      I know a woman like that, and hers are silicone. Hint to any young females out there who are thinking about breast augmentation -- silicone gets hard as it ages. When you hit forty, your tits will be hard as rocks. Hers are.

    13. Re:It is kind of sad to think by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      No I was talking about thin women with large natural breasts. You can tell the difference (they don't defy gravity). When I see these girls it always surprising me, because they don't have ANY fat anywhere else on their body - just in theri breasts.

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    14. Re:It is kind of sad to think by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Or Virginal Breast Hypertrophy. The link below is NSFW so I'll quote a few sentences: "This condition causes a woman's breasts to grow rapidly to an excessive weight during puberty...... Some women with VBH experience breast growth at a constant rate for several years, but the breasts overdevelop from normal and healthy breasts." Hence an ultrathin teenaged or college-aged woman who is top-heavy.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginal_breast_hypertrophy

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    15. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Saline implants have generally replaced older, silicone implants.

    16. Re:It is kind of sad to think by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      my new neckname

      Is that what you call her when you're necking?

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    17. Re:It is kind of sad to think by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Bah, my fingers aren't working right. Don't know how that typo got in there, seeing's how far tha e is from the i.

    18. Re:It is kind of sad to think by nycguy · · Score: 1

      No I was talking about thin women with large natural breasts. You can tell the difference (they don't defy gravity). When I see these girls it always surprising me, because they don't have ANY fat anywhere else on their body - just in theri breasts.

      When I see girls like this, it doesn't surprise me, but it sure does send me into sugardaddy mode.

    19. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh the funny nature of things. Women's tits get harder with age while men's penises get softer.

    20. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint to any young females out there

      whoosh you must be new here first post

    21. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Like a... bag of sand..."

    22. Re:It is kind of sad to think by FrankieBaby1986 · · Score: 1

      That's genuinely funny, and makes me wanna squeeze em for laughs. But don't they use saline today? (which supposedly don't seem as real)

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    23. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It goes well with a cock that is hard as rocks

    24. Re:It is kind of sad to think by jonadab · · Score: 1

      The more I look at that image, the less convinced I am that it's based on a photo of a model at all. As best I can figure, the artist probably just painted it up from scratch, probably while hyped up on caffeine after not getting enough sleep.

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    25. Re:It is kind of sad to think by waferbuster · · Score: 1

      And I say, "Rock On!"

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    26. Re:It is kind of sad to think by lostfayth · · Score: 1

      I believe that is why plastic surgeons are advising clients to have that surgery redone every 10 years.

    27. Re:It is kind of sad to think by VikingBerserker · · Score: 1

      When you hit forty, your tits will be hard as rocks. Hers are.

      Oddly enough, I'm forty and after reading your comment I'm as hard as a rock.

      I've also been called a boob before, but I never thought they were being literal.

  4. Too open for abuse... by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The DMCA needs to be updated to have two points in it:
    1) Filing a claim that isn't supported by copyright law is fraudulent under the good faith premise of the filing process
    2) No guilty intent on the part of the filer is necessary for it to be civilly or criminally actionable.

    If you're some dumbass who files a report that is incompatible with the law, without knowing what the law says, no matter how right you thought you were, you should be guilty.

    This is one of the few areas where my instinct says that a guilty mind should not be necessary at all to punish someone.

    1. Re:Too open for abuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Updated? My word! The whole thing needs to be THROWN IN THE RUBBISH BIN!

    2. Re:Too open for abuse... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      This is one of the few areas where my instinct says that a guilty mind should not be necessary at all to punish someone.

      I wouldn't agree that a bad claim should in all cases be punishable. I would think, however, that there could be some level of due diligence required on the part of someone filing a DMCA claim. If they file an unsupported claim and it's later found that they didn't do anything to make sure they actually had standing to make the complaint (or whatever the correct legal terminology would be) that perhaps there should be some kind of punishment or liability.

      There are cases where the law punishes negligence or recklessness, but it shouldn't punish understandable mistakes.

    3. Re:Too open for abuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Be careful not to over react. If these proposed fraud provisions for the DMCA are too punitive, they themselves risk being abused.

      For example, a big corporation steals a digital asset, and then ties the small fish up in court; forcing the small fish to prove they didn't commit fraud in filing the DMCA. Good faith is a principle in law for a reason... don't discard it in haste.

    4. Re:Too open for abuse... by idontgno · · Score: 1

      At least in the U.S., law is set by judicial precedent as much as by legislation. Therefore, if a copyright holder wins a lawsuit, even when it greatly exceeds the scope (or even makes a travesty) of written legislation, the suit is supported by law, because the judgment makes new law. And therefore, a duck. No, wait. And therefore, not fraudulent.

      In other words, if you can convince a jury, all bets are off. Before the law, a douchebag who wins is not a douchebag.

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    5. Re:Too open for abuse... by modecx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Filing a false DMCA notice is already an act of perjury, a potentially criminal act in this case. Of course, unless it's related to taxes or bearing false witness at a criminal trial, that crime almost always goes unprosecuted. Just make it easier to file a complaint.

      In a way it would be silly to waste the time and resources for such a petty thing, but it would be fun to send a message, especially to boneheaded law firms. If a few lawyers were locked up for a short time, I bet the casual filings of these notices would disappear overnight, the burden of proof would be strongly elevated, and this law could be used as intended--and not as a means to censure unpopular opinion.

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    6. Re:Too open for abuse... by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is one of the few areas where my instinct says that a guilty mind should not be necessary at all to punish someone.

      Your instinct isn't wrong. Courts have long upheld judgements that ignorance of the law is not a shield from it. Lawyers know this better than anyone but they make routine (ab)use of the fact that non-lawyers frequently aren't aware of their own rights and responsibilities.

      Additionally, you *can* go after someone who makes a false DMCA takedown claim. The problem is, the DMCA does not allow you to dispute the takedown notice until after the "infringing" material has been removed. To me, that's the most bullshit part of the fully-bullshit DMCA.

    7. Re:Too open for abuse... by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      The principle is just an extension of criminal negligence, malpractice, and other such laws. If a real person or legal person (corporation) doesn't meet certain minimal standards in how they do things, the law is stuck with a paradox it has to resolve. Either the entity is so non-functional it endangers others by its extreme incompetence, or the entity just didn't give a damn about the consequences and doesn't want to play by the social compact's rules while still reaping the benefits. We seldom restrain individuals as insane just because they can't use the pointy scissors without poking other people yet, and have no way to restrain a company for behaving that way - So we have to assume the company is competent - So it meant to behave as an outlaw does. Now what do we do? Laws such as these, where intent doesn't matter, are the outcome. The court doesn't have to go into intent because if the entity was actually innocent of any ill intent then they are by definition certifiably insane and a danger to others, or else uneducatably retarded. We can't (and shouldn't) punish people for those two conditions, but we sure as hell can control their ability to cause further damage.

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    8. Re:Too open for abuse... by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Informative

      Publishers are often extremely careless about sending out scattershot DMCA notices. For example, I'm the author of a free and open-source calculus textbook. My book is available on my own web site, and also on some other sites such as lulu and scribd. I got an email today from one of the folks at scribd saying they'd received the DMCA takedown notice below. The takedown notice is so vague and sloppy that it's hard to tell what they're even claiming. Are they claiming that scribd is violating my (Ben Crowell's) copyright? If so, then what business of it is theirs? (Macmillan isn't my publisher, and I've never heard of Attributor, Inc., until today.) Or are they claiming that my book contains content that infringes Macmillan's copyrights? (It would seem not, since they list "Original Work: Calculus," as if it's the entire book whose copyright is being infringed.)

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: <remediesspamproofing@attributor.com>
      Date: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:14 PM
      Subject: Unauthorized Use of Macmillan Publishers Material
      To: copyrightspamproofing@scribd.com

      *** Sent via Email - DMCA Notice of Copyright Infringement ***

      Dear Sir/Madam,

      I certify under penalty of perjury, that I am an agent authorized to act on
      behalf of the owner of the intellectual property rights and that the
      information contained in this notice is accurate.

      I have a good faith belief that the page or material listed below is not
      authorized by law for use by the individual(s) associated with the
      identified page listed below or their agents and therefore infringes the
      copyright owner's rights.

      I HEREBY DEMAND THAT YOU ACT EXPEDITIOUSLY TO REMOVE OR DISABLE ACCESS TO
      THE PAGE OR MATERIAL CLAIMED TO BE INFRINGING.

      This notice is sent pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA),
      the European Union's Directive on the Harmonisation of Certain Aspects of
      Copyright and Related Rights in the Information Society (2001/29/EC), and/or
      other laws and regulations relevant in European Union member states or other
      jurisdictions.

      My contact information is as follows:

      Organization name: Attributor Corporation As Agent for Macmillan Publishers
      Email: remediesspamproofing@attributor.com
      Phone: (650) 306 9474
      Mailing address:
      Attributor, Inc.
      1775 Woodside Road, Ste 100
      Redwood City, CA 94061

      *** INFRINGING PAGE OR MATERIAL ***
      Infringing page/material that I demand be disabled or removed in
      consideration of the above:

      Original Work: Calculus
      Infringing URL:
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/10559480/pdf-mathematics-calculus-volume-1
      Infringing URL: http://scribd.com/doc/240367/calculus-by-benjamin-crowell

      My electronic signature follows:
      Sincerely,
      Attributor, Inc.
      /s

    9. Re:Too open for abuse... by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is, the DMCA does not allow you to dispute the takedown notice until after the "infringing" material has been removed.

      This is not true. The DMCA sets no limits on when you can dispute a takedown notice. It just doesn't require the service provider to notify the user until after (though "promptly" after) the material has been taken down, in order to remain in the safe harbor against liability to the user. Provided that it didn't interfer with the providers ability to "expeditiously" disable access to the material, a provider could remain within the safe harbor provision while notifying users before disabling access, particularly if they happened to be able to notify them in real time.

      Since the DMCA allows electronic signatures on coutnernotice, if they had an online, standard counternotice form as well, it might even be possible for them to provide a very brief window in which it was possible to file the counternotice before the access was disabled without falling outside of the requirements of either safe harbor provision.

      OTOH, providers are concerned about being sued by media companies, with whom they have no contracts limiting their liabilities, and not so much by their users, with whom they usually have contracts which are set up to restrict liability. So they are much more concerned with the safe harbor with respect to complaining potential copyright holders than anything else with regard to the DMCA takedown provisions.

    10. Re:Too open for abuse... by 6ULDV8 · · Score: 1

      Valid claim or not, it was effective for the first link: "This content was removed at the request of Macmillan"

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    11. Re:Too open for abuse... by the_womble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You own the copyright and they are representing themselves as your agent under penalty of perjury?

      It sounds like they should be in trouble. The question is who it is up to to sue them.

    12. Re:Too open for abuse... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Wow. Wow. the_womble (580291) may be on to something here. Looks like they are competing with you. Are you sure you didn't use any copyrighted material? (I am thinking pictures.) Damn, publishers must be getting really twitchy. I want to know how this turns out for you.

    13. Re:Too open for abuse... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Hello Mr Crowell,

      I have not read your book yet, however, I think I will now. My question to you concerns this line here in the email:

      "I certify under penalty of perjury, that I am an agent authorized to act on
      behalf of the owner of the intellectual property rights and that the
      information contained in this notice is accurate."

      Can you speak to the Attorney General in California and have this agent brought up on charges of perjury? I am unsure how this kind of thing works but it looks like an actual crime, possibly fraud and/or perjury, has been committed.

      Cheers

      (these captchas are too omniscient. this one is "concepts")

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  5. What criticism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boing boing doesn't seem to have any criticism of the image on their site other than "Lookit the funny picture." They link to another site, which apparently has taken their criticism down.

    1. Re:What criticism? by Kemanorel · · Score: 1

      Actually, wouldn't "Lookit the funny picture" be a criticism in and of itself? The person making that statement about the image is implying that the image is not natural and deserves commenting on. The criticism on the other page is not relevant to Boing Boing's point of view.

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    2. Re:What criticism? by Sancho · · Score: 1

      "Look at the funny Adam Sandler movie!"

    3. Re:What criticism? by blackpig · · Score: 1

      More often it's... "Look at the un-funny Adam Sandler movie!"

  6. wth by MorderVonAllem · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I seriously can't understand how someone could even photoshop that and go 'Well, looks like my work is done here' or the marketing guy who ok'd the final product...sheesh

    1. Re:wth by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well there was, in the BB thread, an opinion put forward that the ad (as it was presented to Photoshop Disasters and then to Boing Boing) is a hoax and the result of a photoshop perspective transformation. In that thread, the poster shows the result of the reversal of this and the model looks far more 'human'.

      If you notice, the black bars down the side of the image in the story link become thicker at the bottom of the image.

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    2. Re:wth by vorpal22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I propose that photoshop-skinnying models is probably analogous to heavily salting food: the more you do it, the more desensitized you become to it, until you reach a point where it still seems natural to you but ridiculously overdone to everyone else.

    3. Re:wth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that's known as the cologne effect.

    4. Re:wth by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 5, Informative

      More up-to-date, BB has posted that Ralph Loren has admitted a "my bad," and that they promise to be more diligent about it in the future. Scroll to just above the comments.

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    5. Re:wth by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      Here's the link to that particular thread.

    6. Re:wth by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Who is even *supposed* to find that girl attractive? I mean, seriously, that's just disturbing. If I thought it was real, it would be VERY disturbing. That ad is certainly provocative, but not in the way I think it was intended to be.

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    7. Re:wth by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please mod my parent post down - as the other replies point out, events have moved on:

      http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2009/10/blog_and_ralph_lauren_fight_over_skinny_model_ad.php

      "On Thursday, Polo Ralph Lauren released the following statement about the retouched ad: "For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately."

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    8. Re:wth by couchslug · · Score: 1, Troll

      I propose that, for the simple reason that any male involved in fashion is gay (not a homophobic troll, hear me out!) that their preferred female models reflect the sort of boy they want to be, to fuck, or both.

      Men that actually like women in a sexual way (normally) prefer feminine women, not meth waifs (not that some women can't make the "meth waif" look work for them).

      Fashion is a matter of gay men wanting to sell what they enjoy. Nothing wrong with that, but "everything wrong" with anyone stupid enough not to instantly understand it because it's so obvious.

      The target audience is vulnerable. Anyone who deeply cares about fashion as a consumer (and therefore doesn't make money from it) is of questionable intelligence and malleable character.

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    9. Re:wth by TheRon6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I propose that, for the simple reason that any male involved in fashion is gay (not a homophobic troll, hear me out!)

      *Goes on to imply that men participating in stereotypically feminine activities or caring about their appearance is wrong for no particular reason other than it being "gay" and that having such interests somehow makes men inherently weak.*

      Yeah... not a homophobic troll at all.

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    10. Re:wth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just men, and not caring about appearance. Caring about appearance is fine, in men or women. Caring deeply about what the fashion industry says your appearance should be, whether you are a man OR a woman, is indeed weak-willed and malleable.

    11. Re:wth by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      ...to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately.

      Good job!

    12. Re:wth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be assuming that all gay men want to fuck pubescent boys. You are homophobic. And a bit stupid. But don't worry, slashdot thinks you're 'interesting'. I agree.

    13. Re:wth by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      This is critical to the situation. Presumably many of the traits we find attractive in a woman are hard-wired. The theory goes that these exist due to selection bias inherent in breeding success. A male would be generally programmed to select females with some portion of body fat, breasts capable of nursing infants, and hips wide enough for child birth.

      Looking at this photo, it seems clear that successful breeding would kill the mother.

      Somewhere along the line we lost touch with the notion that a healthy woman is desirable, and that anorexic, nearly-dead specimens are worthy of our best intentions.

      Personally, I think its all the woman-on-woman hate of our modern age.

    14. Re:wth by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "*Goes on to imply that men participating in stereotypically feminine activities or caring about their appearance is wrong for no particular reason other than it being "gay"

      I implied no such thing. RTFP more carefully.

      I'll rephrase it for those who didn't get it the first time because they were predisposed to regard any such observation as prejudice:

      It's OK to be gay.
      It's OK to be a fashion designer and be gay, and it is obvious that male fashion designers ARE gay. Pointing out the obvious is not insulting or homophobic. Pointing out the sky is blue doesn't insult the sky.

      What is also obvious is that designers will choose humans to model their art whose bodies reflect the designers preferred body type! Nothing wrong with that, either. I don't care if they like boys, and for that matter I don't care if they ravish them in the marketplace. I favor complete sexual freedom for consenting adults, which this discussion is not about!

      What IS wrong is not to note the obvious, which is that fashionable models frequently are so thin that their androgynous "look" has very little to do with most women. They look feminine boys, and since every nuance of their look is carefully crafted that is no accident.

      When Ms Fatty McFatass on the street, who more likely looks like the (once fashionable!) Venus of Willendorf instead of a meth addict, is marketed the ideal that she should look like a thin boy it's no wonder her self-esteem suffers. Ms McFatass is the target of fashion marketing, because she is a consumer. If she really cares about fashion, she follows what she thinks is the herd and is weak-willed. That makes her vulnerable, especially in the "perfect storm" of fattening food (also vigorously marketed), social pressure to be thin, and media worship of celebrities.

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  7. One of these days... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...these morons are going to figure out the whole Streisand Effect thing. Keep screwing yourselves, fellas.

    1. Re:One of these days... by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

      Oh I don't know. Seems more like free advertising to me. The clothes looked pretty even if the model was modded.

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  8. model's head larger than her pelvis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know when light refracts and such that the differing dimensions would only be apparent of the camera position and lens configuration.

    I learned this truth on the recent NASA moon-landing hoax video, where asstronaughts actually thought they could fool the world of their billion dollar investment being far out of earth's orbit by bending light with a bubble-glass lens over the shuttle rear-porthole (directed at Planet Earth) to make it appear they were farther away than they actually were.

    This photo shoot used the opposite. So, perhaps anyone want to come forward of photography credibility to state the obvious trivia: is the lense convex? :-)

    1. Re:model's head larger than her pelvis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have to be a really fancy convex tilt lens with extreme DOF. The effect would work across a plane and her head would be thinned too I suspect.

  9. WTF kind of ad is that? by SoupGuru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact that anyone so much as had the idea to butcher the female form to that extent makes me want to raise any daughters I might have on some deserted island somewhere. That they actually went through with it... well, I'm speechless.

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    1. Re:WTF kind of ad is that? by dickens · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that if my healthy, athletic, 13yo daughter saw that picture you would get a Duane Johnson-esque eyebrow and a lifelong aversion to anything with the Ralph Lauren label.

    2. Re:WTF kind of ad is that? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Healthy, well-shaped, and not trying to be as skinny as possible? Man I want to see that girl when she's entering college, she might actually look good... there's only a very few girls I've met that I thought were actually proportioned near-perfect (plenty that look great, but only a few that had a 'perfect figure')

    3. Re:WTF kind of ad is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that if my healthy, athletic, 13yo daughter saw that picture you would get a Duane Johnson-esque eyebrow and a lifelong aversion to anything with the Ralph Lauren label.

      Sure, the first time. Probably the second through fifteenth times.

      But when every single ad over a period of ten years presents an unrealistically thin model? Hello, dysfunctional body image.

    4. Re:WTF kind of ad is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that if my healthy, athletic, 13yo daughter saw that picture you would get a Duane Johnson-esque eyebrow and a lifelong aversion to anything with the Ralph Lauren label.

      Then for the love of god, and all that is holy, SHOW HER THAT PICTURE.

  10. Send 'em a nastygram back. by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there's some medical/advertising standards authority that'd like to rip them a new orifice for popularising morbid anorexia in this way.

    1. Re:Send 'em a nastygram back. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there's some medical/advertising standards authority that'd like to rip them a new orifice for popularising morbid anorexia in this way.

      Anorexia won't make your head bigger than your pelvis.

      The real WTF is that they're making fun of people with macroencephaly!

    2. Re:Send 'em a nastygram back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real WTF is that they're making fun of people with macroencephaly!

      Hey! I'm a foetus, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Send 'em a nastygram back. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      The real WTF is that they're making fun of people with macroencephaly!

      Hey! I'm a foetus, you insensitive clod!

      I do not want to see how you run your network/power cables...

    4. Re:Send 'em a nastygram back. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, we have nothing like the ASA in the US. And the first amendment to the Constitution says you can publish damned near anything that isn't covered by somebody else's copyright.

    5. Re:Send 'em a nastygram back. by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Send 'em a nastygram back. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      I do.

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  11. IANAL, question for real lawcritter by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the BB posts, noted that falsely issuing DMCA notices might be construed as abuse of process. If any real lawyers are lurking out there, could this be used as a counter tactic? What is the likely hood that you could make such a charge stick to the plantif or their counsel?

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    1. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by mpoulton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the BB posts, noted that falsely issuing DMCA notices might be construed as abuse of process. If any real lawyers are lurking out there, could this be used as a counter tactic? What is the likely hood that you could make such a charge stick to the plantif or their counsel?

      The DMCA itself provides for penalties, both civil and criminal, for false takedown notices - it's perjury, and probably tortious interference with a business relationship. However, this case is not so clear-cut. They reproduced the ad in its entirety, unmodified. The fact that they subsequently ridiculed it may or may not really make this fair use. Most likely it does, but arguments exist both ways. Thus, there is enough law to make the takedown notice non-perjury.

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    2. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by fredc97 · · Score: 1

      Roxanne Elings signed that letter, her profile can be viewed here:
      http://www.gtlaw.com/People/GRoxanneElings

      The funny part is that she appears to have studied the law, unfortunately she is using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undue_influence to try to coerce journalists into giving up good stories like this, a blatant use of corporate lawyers bashing on free speech.

    3. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they did publish the ad. Their defense is Fair Use, which is an affirmative defense, so in essence BB is saying "Yes we did it, but we're allowed because...". Since their defense basically stipulates that the initial complaint is true, then it's not abusive...

    4. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by Eil · · Score: 1

      However, this case is not so clear-cut. They reproduced the ad in its entirety, unmodified.

      Modification is not a pre-requisite of fair use. Especially when its something as small as a magazine ad. You can't really criticize a fraction of this ad since the photo takes up the whole page.

    5. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't this just a standard copyright issue? What does this have to do with getting around anti-circumvention techniques (as laid out in the DMCA)?

    6. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe so, but Ralph Lauren's got a history of lawyer-trolling. Back about 10 years ago, Ralph Lauren Polo filed a lawsuit to try to get the United States polo team to change the name of their official magazine away from "Polo" because Ralph "owned" the word now, with his line of terrible clothing. Yeah. Seriously. A sane company would have bought a bunch of ad space there, or something.

    7. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Actually no, they didn't reproduce the ad unmodified. They photoshopped it to make her appear really skinny, so they could imply that Ralph Lauren did so and make fun of their own bad photoshop job.

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    8. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an AD. One picture. Reproduced for criticism.

      I think PSD lost a lot of traffic because of the takedown - they should be pissed at their ISP, and looking for a new one.

    9. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by jrumney · · Score: 1

      A fitting punishment would be to force Ralph Lauren to use Barbara Streisand in their next ad campaign.

    10. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only part of a DMCA notice which is made under penalty of perjury is the assertion that the sender is acting on behalf of the copyright owner.

      So long as the person sending the notice was acting for Ralph Lauren, this isn't perjury, even if everything else in the notice is false. It may be unlawful for other reasons, but that would be a civil matter.

  12. I think they're on to something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe Ralph Lauren can shift their ad campaign to something more like this. The photoshop job just needs to be a little more cartoon-y.

  13. Two Things ... by abbynormal+brain · · Score: 1

    1. Who writes these Slashdot titles? Talks about damn catchy!
    2. If your Photoshop guru has glasses thicker than a quarter inch, smells of last night's alcohol or has blood-shot eyes ... get someone else to double check his work.

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    1. Re:Two Things ... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      2. If your Photoshop guru has glasses thicker than a quarter inch, smells of last night's alcohol or has blood-shot eyes ... get someone else to double check his work.

      This was likely the work of a PHB, not a Photoshop artist.

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  14. I'm confused... by aztektum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ISP is in Canada? Why should they comply with a US law?

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    1. Re:I'm confused... by Minwee · · Score: 1

      The ISP is in Canada? Why should they comply with a US law?

      Is that you, Michale Geist?

    2. Re:I'm confused... by meerling · · Score: 1

      I agree with aztektum, there is no reason for a Canadian ISP to obey laws from the USA, they need to obey Canadian laws, and Canada doesn't have the DMCA. (They have a different set of laws dealing with copyright issues.)

    3. Re:I'm confused... by mewsenews · · Score: 1

      We don't yet have the DMCA in Canada. A hosting company in the USA would be legally required to take the infringing material down until served with a counter-notice from the other party.

      If this particular case did turn out to be copy infringement, the Canadian hosting company would probably be liable under a treaty between the two countries but not necessarily. However, it's a ridiculous sham of legal bluster, so they're completely in the clear.

      IANAL etc etc

    4. Re:I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they don't want the USA to celebrate the 200th anniversary of the last invasion with another one.

    5. Re:I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the British dumbass. Quit being asinine.

    6. Re:I'm confused... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Um, because Canada is a state or something? Wait, what? Oh, never mind...

    7. Re:I'm confused... by Myopic · · Score: 1

      I understand you are confused, and I understand why a simpleton's understanding of the law would lead you to ask such a question, but even though you asked the question rhetorically, I assure you that there are reasons that companies founded in one country would comply with the laws of another country. Law is complicated, and having a corporate charter in one country doesn't mean you can automatically ignore with impunity the legal landscape in the rest of the world.

      I'll just give one very brief example. In the case of an ISPs and other publishing business, there has been some case law on the question of "where" does "publishing" happen? This was a question for newspapers when "community standards" laws first came about. If the New York times publishes a newspaper, has it printed in New York state, then ships that newspaper to Virginia, where a story in the paper violates a local community standard, was the paper "published" in New York or Virginia?

      Think of Microsoft's anti-trust woes in Europe, and think of BetOnSports CEO Dan Carruthers being arrested when he had a flight connection in the USA. Yes, laws can extend over political boundaries; and that is why a Canadian company may consider complying with a US law.

      (In this case, it's a very very bad law, and you and I probably agree that everyone should ignore this particular law.)

    8. Re:I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They shouldn't. Plain and simple. Unfortunately, since the U.S. is buying up a lot of the Canadian ISP's equipment, they don't have a choice. This is just another example of the U.S. forcing their values on another country, one way or another.

  15. What's advertising again? by tylersoze · · Score: 1

    Of course the really funny is that is the image is *advertisement* which presumably means Ralph Lauren *pays* people to display that image.

    1. Re:What's advertising again? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Until they screw up so massively that people are laughing at them. Like in this case.

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  16. heroin chic is back? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone page Sir Mix-a-Lot.

  17. fuck the law by LordKaT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    blind obedience to words written by the social elite only keeps the populace oppressed.

    1. Re:fuck the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you truly believe that banal crap then put up or shut up: Post your real name and address so that we can all come over and steal your shit (including your computer). After all, theft is a crime (against the *law*, for the morally impaired) so you shouldn't mind a bit when we relieve you the material trappings of your bourgeoisie lifestyle.

    2. Re:fuck the law by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      fuck the law.

      Tried that once, wasn't worth the paper cuts.

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  18. Juris-my-dick-tion by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Exactly what did they expect a Canadian ISP to do with a DMCA takedown notice?

    1. Re:Juris-my-dick-tion by pdboddy · · Score: 1

      WIPO

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    2. Re:Juris-my-dick-tion by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Laugh?

  19. Canadian ISPs are not bound by the US DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if we discount "fair use", BoingBoing and it's ISP have enough reason to ignore a DMCA takedown notice: BoingBoing is "authored" by a Canadian, who uses a Canadian co-location ISP (in Toronto, Ontario, CANADA) to host his site. The DMCA is a law in the United States of America, and does not apply outside the borders of the USA and it's territories. Canada is definitely outside the borders of the USA.

    1. Re:Canadian ISPs are not bound by the US DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada is definitely outside the borders of the USA.

      Though not outside, I'll point out, of its convex hull. :-)

  20. I don't want an apology for Heroes Reborn. by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was, however, surprised to find that Rob Liefeld was now working for Ralph Lauren.

    Look at it. Body parts which were obviously mixed and matched from several different mannequins, a spine that has to travel through another dimension to reach her pelvis, and no feet. Throw in a couple belts covered with pouches and you've got every Liefeld girl ever drawn.

  21. Re:Let me be the first to say by Attrition_cp · · Score: 5, Funny

    s/tap/snap/ig

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  22. The Streisand Effect by sxltrex · · Score: 1

    Ralph, I'd like you to meet Barbara...

    1. Re:The Streisand Effect by AB3A · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly.

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    2. Re:The Streisand Effect by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      Oh and Ralph, also meet Barbra... : )

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    3. Re:The Streisand Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Retweet or digg to your hearts content.

      The criticism that Ralph Lauren doesn't want you to see!
      http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/06/the-criticism-that-r.html

  23. Re:Let me be the first to say by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    I'd tap it, photoshopped or not!

    Word of warning: you break it, you bought it. And judging by the look of that pelvis, a tap would shatter it. She looks so top heavy a gust of wind would bring 'er down. I wonder when they'll get around to advertisements for Ralph Lauren hip casts? What, not chic enough?

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  24. Another shot of the model, more realistic by RichMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Found the link in a BoingBoing comment
    http://www.ralphlauren.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3558821&camp=affiliate_k108283
    She looks more human here.

    1. Re:Another shot of the model, more realistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of Brooke Shields in that photo.

    2. Re:Another shot of the model, more realistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the link in a BoingBoing comment
      http://www.ralphlauren.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3558821&camp=affiliate_k108283
      She looks more human here.

      I found a link to the original image

      Ralph Lauren Thin Model

      The graphical artist actually put some weight on her.

    3. Re:Another shot of the model, more realistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man the harpoons! It's a good thing they don't use fatsos like that in all their photographs...

    4. Re:Another shot of the model, more realistic by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      lol, can someone do worst?

    5. Re:Another shot of the model, more realistic by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      ? Looks like a mannequin to me. Too perfect. OTOH the photoshoped one looks more realistic; but then, I know a couple of women who ARE that skinny. Hint to Lauren photoshoppers: girls that skinny don't have any shape.

    6. Re:Another shot of the model, more realistic by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>She looks more human here.

      Still beyond my reach.

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    7. Re:Another shot of the model, more realistic by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      She looks like Jerry O'Connell with make-up on to me: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm167155968/nm0005278

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  25. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was all too easy for a Canadian company to ignore an American law and RL has to be careful about the dilemma of limiting the distribution of their advertisements. Are they claiming that this ad should not be seen?

  26. I work where they do a lot of these photoshoots by alen · · Score: 3, Informative

    don't work for anything fashion related, but in the same area in NYC. i see some of the models going in and out of the building and i swear in real life it's like they are auditioning for Schindler's List 2

    1. Re:I work where they do a lot of these photoshoots by mewsenews · · Score: 5, Funny

      Schindler's List 2: This time, he's checking it twice

  27. Wait, Hold Up, Stop the Press! by lbalbalba · · Score: 1

    You actually mean that this misformed picture was used in an actual published advertisement by Ralph Lauren, and is not a 'mock-up' made up by a third party to criticize the industry ? What a fuck-up by Ralph Lauren...

  28. Re:Let me be the first to say by corbettw · · Score: 1

    Nah, she looks anorexic. And those girls won't put anything in their mouths, so really, what's the point?

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  29. Terrible Photoshop work by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's a horrible Photoshop paste job. Does that head even go with that body?

    There's a wry New Yorker article about Pascal Dangin, the leading photo retoucher for the New York fashion industry. The print version of that article has before and after pictures. He's much better than whomever did that botched Ralph Lauren ad.

    Dangin is much more subtle. Although he's been criticized for slimming down Madonna's arm muscles.

    1. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by Knara · · Score: 1

      I'd criticize him for it, too. She's got some guns for a woman her age, that's for sure. It's awesome.

    2. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      The print version of that article has before and after pictures.

      Where? I don't see any.

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    3. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I woudn't. Big arms (and other male attributes) really turn me off. The female bodybuilders are especially horrible looking.

    4. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by Animats · · Score: 1

      The print version of that article has before and after pictures.

      Where? I don't see any.

      Only the actual paper version has the pictures.

    5. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's terrible, that's the joke. Somebody took 2 or 3 old promotional shots from a clothing line that's been done with for a long time, and they spliced them together, arms from one, sideways torso from another, legs from a third, then they put an oversized head on top from a current RL model, then they applied a perspective distortion to the whole thing to make it look even more distorted. Then they posted it on a blog saying "look lol, RL is evil!" RL rightfully issued a takedown notice. This was an unauthorized chimera made from 3-4 of their ads, that they own, and it's not being used for criticism, it's being used to directly attack them.

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    6. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. Ralph Lauren admitted it was their own shoddy work.

    7. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by Knara · · Score: 1

      She just looks very toned. We're not talking competitive bodybuilder-like, here. Look at some recent life footage and you can see what I mean.

    8. Re:Terrible Photoshop work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even I'd do a better job. I know enough getting my way around Photoshop since getting a Bachelor's in Graphic Arts. (I spent enough time and money on it, so I'd better know something.) So I'm plenty capable of altering things such that would still appear natural. Yet every single freaking time, I get turned down for lack of experience. Do they even bother to look at my portfolio before this response? No.

      Apparently, it's not about actual relevant skill or talent. But who do you know that's already in the industry that you can suck up to? Usually it's nepotism, then friend networks, followed by business networks, and then actually knowing what the hell your doing comes in further down the list if not dead last in job qualification. (Ocasionally there is the rare event an ultra-good artist that develops a following at the big-name digital art forums gets hired. But those folks are more for image promotion and definitely not the majority. The majority is more like who is related to someone in management that needs an "easy" job, or who is related to somebody that would make business dealings easier for somebody in management. Says a lot about an industry I should be able to find work in, huh?)

      So you don't even have to pull the big names when somebody who really could use the work notices how crap-tastic a photoshop job is. (And I can go on and on ranting about typography and print setting disasters as well. How do these people get in there, and how does their crap pass through with approval?)

      For what Photoshop Disasters does, I salute them. They are much needed. (I'd also like to be able to find out just who specifically was on a botched design project or media run, as that would be golden. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.) It's like quality control after the fact. And I salute Boingboing for keeping the Photoshop Disasters article alive when Blogspot concedes all to readily to DMCA nonsense.

  30. So if I want to get my product noticed by Viper23 · · Score: 1

    All I have to do is produce a Photoshop disaster and then DMCA request the blogosphere when they make fun of me?

    SWEET!

  31. Viral Advertising by Chruisan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought it was a viral ad for the sequel to Nightmare Before Christmas, Jana Skeleton Strkes Back!

  32. fake or !real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there are a few comments saying the photo is fake. It certainly looks fake, and no one has found a source.

    1. Re:fake or !real by lbalbalba · · Score: 1

      Well, of course the photo is fake, I mean no real living person has body dimensions like *that*. I was merely wondering if the modified photo was an actual advertisement by Ralph Lauren or not.

    2. Re:fake or !real by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      No, fake as in the blog that posted it photoshopped the original ad as ran in magazines. As in this article is a hit piece. RL did not photoshop it, whoever submitted it to photoshop disasters photoshopped it as an attack on Ralph Lauren. That's not fair use.

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    3. Re:fake or !real by lbalbalba · · Score: 1

      No, fake as in the blog that posted it photoshopped the original ad as ran in magazines. As in this article is a hit piece. RL did not photoshop it, whoever submitted it to photoshop disasters photoshopped it as an attack on Ralph Lauren. That's not fair use.

      Thank you very much for clarifying that for me. And I am inclined to agree with you that in such a case, it is *not* fair use... But then again, such pieces *may* sometimes be meant as 'satire', in which case it *would* be fair use in my opinion. It's a fine line, though...

  33. Re:Let me be the first to say by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative
  34. There is a better way to avoid law suits by $criptah · · Score: 1

    I have always considered RL to be one of the greatest American designers and I am impartial to some of his stuff. However, this law suit makes me question my beliefs. And if you want to avoid prosecution next time, take a screen shot of the desktop that shows the ad.

    1. Re:There is a better way to avoid law suits by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      You know you've been on the internet too long when you read that as "I have always considered real life to be one of the greatest American designers"...

    2. Re:There is a better way to avoid law suits by babyrat · · Score: 1

      What does photoshopping models have to do with design skill?

      That's like saying Kobe Bryant isn't a great basketball player because he committed adultery.

      I can understand that you might not want to buy any more RL products because of something thing like this, but it doesn't make the actual products any crappier.

    3. Re:There is a better way to avoid law suits by $criptah · · Score: 1

      I vote with my dollars. Why would I want to support a company that fucks with images to make models look skinnier and then goes after the guys who have exposed the photoshop job? There is a reason why I do not shop at many places; avoiding giving my hard earned money to assholes is one of them.

  35. Cases like this make me vomit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which makes me look marvelous.

  36. I'm confused. by Rakishi · · Score: 1

    Do propel actually find such a figure attractive?

    I'm asking because I'm disgusted by it more than anything. It's right smack dab in the middle of the uncanny valley in my eyes.

    1. Re:I'm confused. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Her real, un-modified form is actually pretty fucking sexy.

    2. Re:I'm confused. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Do propel actually find such a figure attractive?

      I'd have to ask propel.

      As for me, I actually like Asian women, so typically they are pretty small but they are at least in proportions (short and thin). Almost all western models are horribly out of proportion, oversized heads with tiny bodies, the picture in question was just the same thing taken to an extreme and I find the whole thing repulsive. Regardless of whether people find this form attractive, this is the form they are trying to sell people and so people try to emulate it. Advertising like this sends the wrong message, being underweight is worse then being overweight but then again if they used real women in advertising then they'd have a hard time selling things people dont need.

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    3. Re:I'm confused. by symbolset · · Score: 1

      They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back?

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  37. Re:pa-ra-pum by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1
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  38. This is indicative of a much larger problem by dvorakkeyboardrules · · Score: 1

    For example I went onto istockphoto last year trying to find a picture of a bikini babe to use on one of my websites. It was impossible to find any pictures of a woman who was not so skinny that ribs were showing. I felt like being a troll and posting reviews on all the pictures saying "feed your models" ... but I wimped out. So, hopefully this controversy will spur ad agencies to realize that the 10 year-old boy look is not the most attractive look to every guy. There are a lot of us out there who like the look of the normal-sized adult woman.

    1. Re:This is indicative of a much larger problem by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Sure you weren't seeing thier serratus muscles?

    2. Re:This is indicative of a much larger problem by dvorakkeyboardrules · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    3. Re:This is indicative of a much larger problem by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I felt like being a troll and posting reviews on all the pictures saying "feed your models"

      If all trolls were this ingenious, the internet would be a better place.

      Thanks for the laugh, wish I had mod points for you.

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  39. Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by VoxMagis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, the DMCA is stupid.

    Now, can I ask WHY people buy T-Shirts, undies, etc from big designers?

    I just don't see why you would buy something for $100 from a designer label when you can buy something without a name on it for $4. I mean, the amount of marketing that has to go into this must be insane! It would be one thing if the big fancy labels used legitimate, well-paid, non-sweatshop labor to make these things, but I don't see that happening.

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    1. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by TheABomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You might as well ask why peacocks display their plumage.

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    2. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you really want to know: for those people who are actually stylish the most important things are fit, material, and style. If you go into a Gap and compare the clothes to what you find in an upscale store, in general you will find that they really don't fit as well, that the material is low quality (the fabric doesn't drape well around the body, some seams are sticking out, etc; quality doesn't mean durability in the fashion world), and the styles are kind of generic. You will see this even for T-shirts and underwear.

      Now, for those who don't have a fully developed sense of style, it is a matter of trust: they trust that if they buy the name-brand clothes, they will get something that looks good. Sometimes these people are tricked, but most people eventually develop their own sense of style if they keep trying.

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    3. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by Draek · · Score: 1

      If peacocks drank alcohol they wouldn't need to.

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    4. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes the quality actually is better. It's often just cosmetic but many people care about that too.

      For example, I simply can not find a pair of no-name or cheap jeans that actually fit me. It seems most men have no butt (ie. "flat ass") whereas I have a shapely butt. I'm thin so regular jeans that fit (ie. look good) everywhere else except the butt, pull so tight in the crotch that I cry like a little girl when I sit down. However, some of the high-end designer stuff works for me and it looks really good.

      If I had the money I would probably buy the nicer looking stuff but as it is I just buy the cheap crap and get baggy jeans. It looks like shite but whatever, I'm poor.

    5. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      To attract peacunts, of course.

    6. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Along the same lines:
      Why do people go to church?
      Why do Americans keep voting corrupt politicians into office?
      Why do we eat unhealthy foods?
      Why do people do drugs?

  40. NOT The Streisand Effect by Etrias · · Score: 1

    Okay, seriously. Not everything is the fucking Streisand Effect. In fact, this appears to be even the opposite. Streisand wanted to preserve her privacy and it backfired by drawing attention to her house and the photo. There's no way you can tell me that people talking about an advertisement isn't publicity for the brand.

    We may be mocking them, but you know how the saying goes...any publicity is good publicity.

    I don't know know what it is about /. but a lot of people are too quick to pull the trigger on labeling something as the Streisand Effect.

    1. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is the Streisand Effect because Ralph Lauren doesn't want anyone drawing attention to the fact that they photoshop the living crap out of their models to make them into non-human images.(The real reason for the takedown notice. You really don't think it was because they thought their actual copyrights were being violated did you? Why would they care if someone just ran their ad as is and gave them for free what they would normally need to pay someone to display?) Seeing as now even I, someone who has zero interest in fashion or Ralph Lauren, knows about this, I would say the Streisand Effect is working against them beautifully. Yes, Ralph Lauren does want publicity for their products, but does not want publicity on how they alter their images to make models look even more impossibly proportioned.

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    2. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Etrias · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Seriously? Look at the photo. It's comical to the point of exaggeration. It's the type of photo you stare at for awhile to figure out what's wrong with it. You're meant to look at the damn thing!

      Besides, this is an advertisement. PR wonks at Ralph Lauren probably are laughing about this because people like us are trying to stir up a shit storm about it. The entire purpose of advertising is for it to be seen and for people to start talking about it and guess what...that's what we're doing right now.

      Now you can argue all that you want that they don't prefer that people post the photo just to criticize it and I would agree with you there. Lawyers probably stepped in and fired off a DCMA request just as a matter of trying to protect the brand...but in it's relation to the Streisand Effect? You're crazy. You said so yourself that you have zero interest in them and that the Streisand Effect is working beautifully...yes, for them. For Ralph Lauren. Because you, I am assuming a pretty Joe Above Average Geek, are talking about a fashion company and delighting in the fact that this picture now is drawing more looks from people. That is what I call irony.

      Again, the Streisand Effect should be about trying to take down something that people don't want shown--then backfiring by drawing attention to whatever it was they were purporting to suppress. The purpose of advertising is to get as many eyeballs on their brand as possible using whatever techniques they can and where outright trickery is actually admired. Which do you think is actually happening?

    3. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so you have proven you don't understand what the Streisand Effect is, or the definition for the word "irony". Anything else you don't know that you want to get off your chest?

    4. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      I don't know know what it is about /. but a lot of people are too quick to pull the trigger on labeling something as the Streisand Effect.

      Or adding the "correlation is not causation" label when the post never said it was.
      Or adding the "what could possibly go wrong" label to any story dealing with almost any innovation.

      etc.

    5. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      It is the Streisand Effect because Ralph Lauren doesn't want anyone drawing attention to the fact that they photoshop the living crap out of their models to make them into non-human images.(The real reason for the takedown notice. You really don't think it was because they thought their actual copyrights were being violated did you? Why would they care if someone just ran their ad as is and gave them for free what they would normally need to pay someone to display?) Seeing as now even I, someone who has zero interest in fashion or Ralph Lauren, knows about this, I would say the Streisand Effect is working against them beautifully. Yes, Ralph Lauren does want publicity for their products, but does not want publicity on how they alter their images to make models look even more impossibly proportioned.

      Then it must be one of the world's worst kept secrets. There have been TV documentaries about the extent of manipulation of photographic images, legislation has been proposed in several countries I think, and just about everyone knows that the images are faked. Many don't know to what degree, I'll grant you..
      Some TV advertising, predominantly fashion and cosmetic ads, even have to have a disclaimer that they have been digitally altered. It would be headline news if someone didn't Photoshop their images.

      But don't underestimate the level of sheer paranoia in the fashion industry. They make Apple's PR twittery seem positively laid back. I know. I've met a few who work there..
      Image is their reality. And having a "creation" laughed at is the big bad thing that was done here.

      The Streisand effect doesn't apply here, because the people who are going to be interested for more than twenty minutes are not the people who buy this stuff. If it doesn't get picked up by the fashion magazines, then it doesn't exist. And if it did, you can guarantee that many would have a hard time figuring out what the problem was.

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    6. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Etrias · · Score: 1
      Really? Let's look at the definition of Streisand Effect:

      "The Streisand Effect" is when a person, often a celebrity, tries to have a piece of information censored or removed, only to have it backfire and cause the information to receive much more attention than it was previously receiving.

      Okay, now let's look at irony:

      the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning

      You can look them up too, if you'd like AC, but I'm assuming you're just lazy. Now in terms of this, you are trying to tell me that a photo used for an advertisement was something they didn't want people to talk about? That the actual definition of the Streisand Effect means that something they want hidden in actuality receives more publicity...and that you are trying to apply this to an advertisement...and that it is not considered ironic? Perhaps the word you should look up is advertisement.

    7. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well actually, by your own definition this fits the bill perfectly. Ralph Lauren tried to have a critique of it's ad removed, and instead of it quietly being taken down like expected, it is now receiving national attention.(thanks to an ISP not being spineless) How does that not fit your definition? And it is not irony either because RL didn't want people to talk about how the ad was ridiculous, and people are. I don't see the irony, sorry. Advertising the fact that nobody could possibly look like the models in the pictures, even if they buy the product, was not really the intended response. Nor was a discussion of the fact what RL was looking for either.

    8. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Etrias · · Score: 1

      You're kidding, right? The only thing he has in the power of the DMCA to take down is the photo...which if I'm not mistaken is the only thing that they could even have a basis to claim--although as Boing Boing points out is futile since it falls clearly under fair use. As you know, the criticism itself they cannot take down as it falls under the first amendment. The request was for the photo only...not the criticism. I can see how you may have been swayed by Boing Boing's highly misleading title, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

      So if you actually had taken the time to RTF takedown notice, you'd see this. But this is /. so I'm probably holding you to an unfair expectation. If you are bold enough to actually look at it, pay special attention to where it says "infringing image".

    9. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by iamhigh · · Score: 1

      The marketers may have got the word out, but the PR team is pissed now. This is a huge issue in the modeling community, and this will not be seen as a good thing for RL in the industry, or by the customers that also care about this issue. Yeah it RL all over, but didn't we all know who he was anyways... Your assertion that is good for the company would only be true if we didn't know who the fuck he was before this happened... that called viral, and is different than Streisand.

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    10. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Etrias · · Score: 1

      Point taken, but this is not Streisand...not by a long shot. Just because someone files a DCMA takedown does not mean that it gets filed under the Streisand Effect. And you see companies like this constantly trying to push the boundaries of what's acceptable with their customers.

    11. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because having an undesired effect due to publicity isn't the Streisand Effect at all. I don't think you actually took the point if you keep insisting this has nothing to do with the Streisand Effect.

  41. Valid DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Not fair use because it is the entire ad, so DMCA notice is valid. Fair use is for selected excerpts of copyrighted material. Fair use almost never protects the copying of an entire piece of copyrighted material They could have cropped. Also, Boing Boing now admits ad is fake, so there is retransmission liability for libel and business disparagement. Boing Boing is clearly in the wrong here. It appears it is trying to embarrass and disparage Ralph Lauren.

    1. Re:Valid DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Boing Boing says the ad is fake? Really???

      OMG. It's really amazing what these people try to do.

  42. Re:pa-ra-pum by noundi · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a few years, when this is forgotten, Ralphy will remember this as one of the skeletons in his closet.

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  43. While they're at it... by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While they're at it, how about creating a "truth in News reporting" law. .. no obligation to report truthfully, and the First Amendment protects their right to lie.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#In_USA

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    1. Re:While they're at it... by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The court held that Fox News had no obligation to report truthfully, and the First Amendment protects their right to lie. Therefore, the court held that firing a reporter for refusing to lie is not actionable under the whistleblower statute. The story can be seen in the feature length documentary film The Corporation." The Corporation is where I first heard of this. Journalistic Ethics is becoming a contradiction in terms. Activities should be categorized as "entertainment", or "journalism", or "advertising", and obviously different legal standards need to be applied to each. An informed public being necessary to the workings of a democracy, this is beyond stupid and well into a dangerous zone. As the law currently stands, behavior approaching that of treason is not actionable. In a democracy we've really only ourselves to blame for letting this happen to us, too.

  44. remember folks by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the original idea of intellectual property is to reward creators for creating

    how quaint

    you tell me what the legal concept is used for mostly nowadays. what i see is corporate entities using their larger legal stable to bully and intimidate smaller cultural entities. i see weapons of control, in the hands of distributors, and not creators. i see end-run agreements by large entities handing over control of creative output, away from true creators: professors, musicians, researchers and the like. to ensure that pesky notion that the creator deserves credit is preemptively routed around and destroyed and falls into corporate hands instead

    such that innovation is stifled, not encouraged. or at least not encouraged in the way intellectual property intended. corporate slaves with all of their intellectual property rights signed away up front are true innovators? if you say so

    and those who oppose intellectual property are called communists, maoists (and socialists, i guess, since that's the new definition-less dirty epithet you use to hurl at anyone you are told by your propaganda to oppose blindly)

    hey, last i understood, monopolies are a destructive force in capitalism, right?

    and not that any of this is even new: just read up on farnsworth and rca. the little guy gets screwed, the big corporation profits, and the whole legal edifice of intellectual property is completely warped and absurdified to serve entrenched power, rather than genuine creative progress

    there is no moral and philosphical intelligence meant to safeguard progress and novelty in the legal codes surrounding intellectual property today. and the legal perpetrators of this travesty, this sham are too entrenched to do anything about it, to move back towards common sense on the issue of what intellectual property is supposed to be about. such that the whole ridiculous edicifice of intellectual property needs to be fought in the name of prosperous and just modern societies that are prosperous and just because they are based on concepts of liberal tolerant values

    you've come a long way baby (that's an attempt at a pun in relation to this story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Slims#Marketing)

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  45. Re:Let me be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it was kind of ugly...

  46. Re:pa-ra-pum by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm glad Doctorow had the spine to stand up to this. I really couldn't stomach another battle of talking heads.

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  47. Re:Let me be the first to say by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    oh damn she is hot for real!

  48. Looking for the Streisand effect by ianezz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Remember, there's no such thing as "bad" advertising.
    1. Prepare an ad campaign with a so "badly" retouched photo that everyone having eyes can't avoid noticing it.
    2. Wait for some famous blogger to pick up the bait, telling his readers how bad the ad is
    3. Issue him a takedown notice, hoping that Mr. famous blogger goes doubly vocal on the issue as expected
    4. Wait some months: nobody remembers exactly the issue, but in many minds, the trademark of the advertiser is permanently associated with something shocking.

    The sad thing is that the famous blogger above has both every right to criticize the ad, and also he may gain further popularity in doing this. The only way for him to avoid being a pawn in the game is to ignore the whole argument, and that gains him nothing. It's an almost self-sustaining system, be prepared for more in the future.

  49. Re:Let me be the first to say by corbettw · · Score: 2, Informative
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  50. Post production food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the sammich jokes in the BB thread are ironic considering that the obvious photoshop means that the actual model, y'know, *isn't* that thin.

  51. Baby Got Jack by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2, Funny

    Baby Got Jack

    I like small butts and I cannot lie,
    You honkies can't deny,
    When a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
    and a big thing in your face I get Sick,
    cuz I like a toothpick
    I'll beat that booty with a stick
    Even the jeans she's wearing, her pants
    are almost tearing
    No, baby I want a flat booty,
    That's tootie fruitie, while honkies tried to warn me
    that butt you've got is, oh, so corny ooh Chicken
    smooth skin you say you wanna get my olds,
    well peck me,
    peck me, cuz you ain't that average chickadee.
    Hell with romancin', I'll take her wallet dancin'
    Rich. Bitch. I'll dig for her money ditch
    So tired of ebony, Big butts are not my theme
    if you ask me what my
    flavour is I'll tell you vanilla ice cream
    So honkies
    (yeah) honkies(yeah) does your girlfriend have a derriere?
    (Hell yeah!)
    Well shrink it, shrink it, so I can get right down
    and dink it,

    Chorus:
    Baby got Jack (wh-white honkies with the real small boot-wh-white honkies with the real small booty)
    Baby got Jack (wh-white honkies with the real
    small boot-wh-white honkies with the real small booty)

    I like 'em flat and small, and when I'm in the mall,
    I just can't help myself
    I'm doing the dog pund
    call (woo woo woo woo)
    Don't like a sister, who farts
    while playing Twister.
    I wish those beans did miss her,
    even Uncle Ben would fist her
    I like my booties real
    slender and tender,
    And if I see a big booty, I'll
    put it in the blender
    Don't want a rear fender.
    I get into my Honda
    What the hell is an anaconda?
    All I know is that I like Jayne Fonda's, better than Yolanda's.

    Chorus

    Yeah, baby, when it
    comes to females, Comso knows everything what they're talking about
    36, 24, 36... haa haa, only if she's 7'8"

    Flat on the bottom, and I like it like that,
    Flat on the bottom, and I like it like that.

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  52. It's not even as if they had to bother... by davebooth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to her online profile, unphotoshopped that model is 5'8" and wears a size 6, measuring 33-24-35. No need to alter those proportions at all.

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    1. Re:It's not even as if they had to bother... by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Is that how you would keep your job retouching photos? Telling companies that their photos are perfectly fine, and where should you send the bill?

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    2. Re:It's not even as if they had to bother... by tokul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to her online profile,

      She is also eighteen, vegetarian and likes puppies. How do you know that online profile is not "photoshoped"?

    3. Re:It's not even as if they had to bother... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      I agree. No one who admits to eating puppies should be allowed to call themselves a vegetarian.

  53. its satire, should be protected by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.metnews.com/articles/2009/legalcommunity012909.htm

    When courts are presented with a satire case, they don't say "this is a satire, so we will give it extra latitude." Rather, they painstakingly set out the manner in which the new work comments on some social condition and use that as a significant factor in their analysis. Satires are an unspoken subset of fair use, which often causes confusion among parodies, satires, and jokes.
    Courts haven't said much about the intersection of satire and fair use, although several cases provide insight into how it might be treated if the court were to consider the issue:
    The most recent case involved the artist Jeff Koons. He was paid $1.6 million to create a series of paintings entitled the "Easyfun-Ethereal" for Germany's Deutsch Bank. He culled advertising images and his own photographs, scanning them into a computer and digitally superimposing the scanned images against backgrounds of pastoral landscapes to comment on the ways in which our most basic desires are depicted in popular images. In one particular instance, Koons scanned a photo by Andrea Blanch, titled "Silk Sandals by Gucci," which was, as the title suggests, a photo of a pair of woman's feet wearing Gucci sandals. Blanch had shot the photo for a Gucci ad. Koons incorporated part of the photo into his own artwork, which depicted four pairs of women's feet and lower legs dangling over images of various dessert dishes.
    Blanch, recognized her photo. She was not happy. She sued.
    She lost.
    The court explained the satire in detail by describing the social comment being made, rather than sticking the satire label on the painting. In fact, the court doesn't mention the word. The court focused on the first fair use factor (the purpose and character of use), and said it weighed in favor of Koons' appropriation because the use of the photo was transformative and because its purpose was to demonstrate how advertising whetted our various appetites, not to sell shoes for Gucci. Koons used Blanch's work to comment on its social meaning rather than to exploit its creative virtues.

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  54. Re:Let me be the first to say by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    She's not particularly attractive in that photo either.

  55. Re:Let me be the first to say by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Nah, she looks like a crackwhore or needle junkie. And those girls will put anything in their mouths.

  56. Well, not really... by schon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ISP in question is Canadian.

    I attended a talk by Michael Geist, where he said that 30% of Canadian ISPs comply with DMCA takedowns. This figure was presented by some pro-copyright lobby as "shocking" evidence that Canada is a lawless place where copyright isn't respected.

    Geist agreed that it was shocking - but for a different reason. He said it was shocking that 30% of our ISPs caved to a law from a foreign country, and complied with a request they had no legal requirement or authority to obey.

    1. Re:Well, not really... by iamacat · · Score: 0

      Actually DMCA takedown notice is a benign part of that act, unlike anti-circumvention provisions. A copyright owner sends a claim of a violation to ISP and ISP takes down the suspect material. If the site owner doesn't agree, he/she can file a counter-notice to get the material reinstated, in which case the parties would have to drop the matter or settle it in court. The author of the notice is liable for any damages resulting from misleading claims. In neither case is the ISP responsible for originally hosting or reinstating the material.

      If your stuff in publicly available on the web, it's no use getting the court to shut down the site after millions downloaded a copy. On the other hand, the material can be easily reinstated and abusers punished for false claims. Given this cost/benefit ratio it would make sense for some ISPs to cooperate voluntarily. The evil part would be US or Canadian ISPs not heading counter-notices and unconditionally believing the words of a big corp vs their customer.

    2. Re:Well, not really... by jo42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some 'Canadian' ISPs, such as PEER1, are actually based out of the US.

      Throws a bit of a monkey wrench into the caving in to a law from a foreign country...

    3. Re:Well, not really... by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Some 'Canadian' ISPs, such as PEER1, are actually based out of the US.

      Throws a bit of a monkey wrench into the caving in to a law from a foreign country...

      You are correct that PEER1 would be subject to DCMA, however a single counter example does not disprove the general case that Canadian's can tell Americans to stick it where the sun don't shine.

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    4. Re:Well, not really... by H0p313ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Canadian's

      Somebody shoot me.

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    5. Re:Well, not really... by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Schick-schick......bang.

      There you go.

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    6. Re:Well, not really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm no - no it doesn't. They are operating _in_ Canada, providing service to Canadian clients and are thus required to follow the laws of Canada not the US. Where they are based is irrelevant as long as they have (a) license to provide service in Canada.

      Works both ways of course..

    7. Re:Well, not really... by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      where the sun don't shine

      Hint hint -- fiber optics.

    8. Re:Well, not really... by DJRumpy · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you read a bit farther, it appears that the ISP did cave and remove the image.

      "Update: Looks like Photoshop Disaster's ISP caved to a similar notice.

      DMCA Infringement Notification

      Update:: Ralph Lauren accepts responsibility for the dodgy 'shop, but no word on its DMCA takedown."

    9. Re:Well, not really... by Demolition · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you read a bit farther, it appears that the ISP did cave and remove the image.

      Just to clarify... Boing Boing's ISP is Priority Colo. They did not cave.

      On the other hand, Photoshop Disaster's ISP, Blogspot, did cave in to the DMCA takedown notice. Needlessly, as it turned out.

    10. Re:Well, not really... by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      Never hurts to clarify, although I didn't think it was necessary since the image we saw in the link was on BoingBoing ;)

    11. Re:Well, not really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @iamacat,
      So since you are so knowledgeable regarding this how about pointing us to the cases where the take down abusers got punished or fined.

    12. Re:Well, not really... by Doggabone · · Score: 1

      Canadian's

      Somebody shoot me.

      Somebody shoot me, eh?

    13. Re:Well, not really... by Demolition · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I didn't think it was particularly unclear, either, but my wife (who was reading along with me) asked "So, whose ISP caved?"

      Since she's no dummy (she made me say that!), I figured that other (read: denser) folks might be confused, as well. :-)

  57. FAKE AD: What should Ralph have done? by professorguy · · Score: 1

    This never was an ad. It was instead an artist's fashion industry critique.

    Given that, Ralph wanted to set the record straight and tell people "Don't put my name on that, it has nothing to do with my company." And to stem some of the damage, maybe force takedowns on the grounds that Ralph's TRADEMARK is on it in an unauthorized use.

    Perhaps ignoring it would be wiser, but doesn't he get to decide that his name can't be used in this manner (going as it does against his business interests)?

    I'm not affiliated with RL and I hate thin women (too much boring conversation about dieting plus they never smile), but this one is not as cut and dried as some would believe.

    1. Re:FAKE AD: What should Ralph have done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you provide a link for this statement? If it is true, then why wouldn't RL just mention that in the takedown notice too?

      You say you don't work for RL. Do you work for a company that works for his?

      Until I see a link that "proves" your comment above, I will be suspicious. If what you say is true then let's see it.

    2. Re:FAKE AD: What should Ralph have done? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      TFA (why do I even bother?) includes a link to RL taking responsibility for the botched job...so where did you get your conspiracy theory from?

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    3. Re:FAKE AD: What should Ralph have done? by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      I hate thin women (too much boring conversation about dieting plus they never smile)
      It sounds like you're talking about models, not thin women in general.

  58. Re:Let me be the first to say by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    I would have when I was young, but these days I like a little padding.

    And what moron modded the above post offtopic, anyway? Am I the only one over 21 here today? If so, get off my lawn!

  59. Now that's a nice marketing campaign! 4chan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It appears that generating propoganda that there ever was a disputed Photosh-op/oot is better advertising than the event itself.

    4chan does this all the time;

    http://zip.4chan.org/toy/src/1254982630434.jpg
    http://zip.4chan.org/g/src/1255019256522.jpg
    http://zip.4chan.org/fit/src/1255024855797.jpg
    http://zip.4chan.org/toy/src/1255012942037.jpg

  60. no they won't, its called hubris by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    hubris has been an aspect of society since the dawn of man, and will continue for as long as we are psychologically human

    people are constantly overestimating their power over their environment and getting stung in the ass for that overestimation

    the streisand effect is but the natural human psychological response to censorship: as soon as someone tells you you can't read/ look at something, you automatically want to read/ look at it

    that will never ever stop someone from telling you you can't read/ look at something (though it should stop them, just as you say) because people in hubristic chest thumping situations are in a blind state of mind that doesn't consider that there can be any negative fallout from their naked power grabs

    its a form of drunkenness, drunk on power, and it always has its sobering up period afterwards, after the fall from power

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  61. Uncanny Valley is the correct term by meerling · · Score: 1

    The proportions on the model in that picture are in the range that makes her disturbingly repulsive.

    She is totally in the bottom of "Uncanny Valley" looking up and waving from her picnic there. Ick.

    I wouldn't have sex with her even if I used a 10' condom and your penis.
    Not even in a dark room with blindfolds, 2 paper bags and a wetsuit.
    I guess the only way to end this is to just say, Eeewwwwww :O===|

  62. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Personally, I come here for the funnies.

    Mod: Please mod this up so I can read it. Thanks.

  63. If everyone was as brave as this guy.. by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    .. the world would be a much better place.

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  64. Re:Let me be the first to say by nomadic · · Score: 1

    I disagree.

  65. Model's rights? by edelbrp · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of an article at the Consumerist web site about Nigerian internet scams. It's not a particularly enlightening article, so I was confused at first why Stumble Upon took me there.

    And then I started to read the comments and realized why the page was of interest. You see, the article included an image of a black man holding a box. Surely a Nigerian holding stolen goods! Nope. It was a Getty stock photo. At Getty the caption is 'delivery man holding a package'. While I was looking at the image at Getty a live-chat box popped up asking if I needed help, so what the heck, I asked them if it was OK to use Getty stock photos like that. They said, No, that it is actually a crime and that the model can sue the Consumerist if they want for portraying them as a criminal.

    Anyways, I'm sure fashion models have signed away all rights against making them look deformed, but as these PS disasters pile up there has got to be some sort of push back from the models.

    Here's the next meme: Can I haz a sammich? A site with photoshoped women like this with lolcats-style captions.

    1. Re:Model's rights? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Here's the next meme: Can I haz a sammich? A site with photoshoped women like this with lolcats-style captions.

      Wouldn't "I Can Haz Anorekzia" be better.

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    2. Re:Model's rights? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      I Can Thro Up Cheezburger Now?

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  66. This was gold for me by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1
    I was involved in a TM or ® argument with some lawyers and fair use I think should be a good direction for me. My argument my site & there's

    Anybody have any my ideas?

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  67. Genius by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    A fashion company publishes a provocative ad.

    A blogger picks it up and republishes it. This is free exposure.

    The fashion company issues a takedown notice.

    Boom! The Streisand effect gets the ad published everywhere for free.

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  68. way to bring attention to your mistake by MITpianoman · · Score: 1

    Had Ralph Lauren's lawyers just ignored the original post, it would have been lost on me. Thanks to their legal threat, I've now heard of and seen the bad ad, and think slightly less of the company for their shenanigans

  69. TheCommentingGuy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She looks disturbingly sexy!

  70. 1/4 Pounder that looks just like Mayor McCheese... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that'll happen right after the Big Mac that I order ends up looking just like the one in the commercial.

    Hey, you know - a few key advancements in the field of edible films and dyes and this could happen... Granted, this would mean every part of the burger would need to be manufactured via this process, probably not grilled at the restaurant, and assembled with greater consistency than is done now - but there's no reason the burger components couldn't come pre-coated with a thick layer of edible film manufactured to reproduce the desired texture and flavor, and prepainted to provide the desired color and reflectivity... They could probably bill it as some kind of nutritional enhancement (same great greasy flavor without all that grease!) in order to get people to accept it...

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  71. Maybe not bad Photoshopping at all by macraig · · Score: 0, Redundant

    That woman is a SERIOUS ectomorph. Her waistline is not disproportionate to the rest of her body. It is quite possible that she is just that thin, and probably not helping with a restricted diet and heavy exercise.

  72. Re:pa-ra-pum by Dragon+of+the+Pants · · Score: 1

    This is slashdot where real discussions are hoped for

    You must be new here.

  73. Re:Let me be the first to say by Gerafix · · Score: 1

    You can tell that picture is Photoshopped as well, look at the beach line and the blurriness of her sides compared to the crisp lines elsewhere in the same depth of field.

  74. Re:pa-ra-pum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Lighten up, Francis

  75. Model To Sue Ralph Lauren For Defamation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would it be possible for the model to sue Ralph Lauren for defamation, even if she's signed her entire life away? Here is the thought behind the question:

    By making her look so ridiculously stupid (and I mean, really, woman, they have made a total ass of your image...), the company has no doubt hurt her chances of being hired again, or at least sullied her image, quite substantially. If image quality is the modeling equivalent of character, then hasn't Ralph just defamed her (physical) character?

    Yes, no doubt she signed her life away. But let's suppose they used photoshop to dress her up like a Nazi, or a baby killer and put her image in some snuff film. At some point can't you say "This does NOT represent *me*!".

    IANAL, but damn it seems like a better legal case than the takedown itself...no? Better watch out Ralph. Streisand, yes. Boomerang? Maybe not so good.

    1. Re:Model To Sue Ralph Lauren For Defamation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, something tells me she ain't reading slashdot.

  76. I think this image... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... begs for more photoshopping. Perhaps a Halloween theme or scarecrow effects. Or a contest that ends on October 31st?

  77. Not me by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    I didn't even read the article; I just came to this discussion because someone said there would be soup and sandwiches.

    1. Re:Not me by darkvizier · · Score: 1

      There will be cake as well. Come to the next discussion.

  78. Re:The Streisand Effect -- What? No way! by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    That's Barbara Streisand in the ad? Wow, you're right, they really DID do a lot of retouching!

  79. Re:pa-ra-pum by jcrb · · Score: 1

    Obviously you think this line of jokes is wearing.... out (oh come on you didn't really think I was going to say 'wearing thin" did you).. but I'm afraid that around here people like to lay it on thick... asking for this to stop might turn heads in other forums but around here its just going to lead to a long drawn out conversation where whatever the original subject was gets stretched and mangled to the point that the end result hardly resembles the starting point. You are going to have to get your head around the fact that trying to draw some 'line in the sand' about endlessly long digressions into bad jokes is hipless...er hopeless, we crossed that line long long long ago.

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  80. Lame pic, but "disaster"? by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

    "Disaster," as written by submitter, seems a little strong. 1,000's of people starving in a refugee camp is a disaster. This is just foolish.

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  81. NOT a fake ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  82. So what? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually DMCA takedown notice is a benign part of that act, unlike anti-circumvention provisions.

    So what? It is NOT the law in Canada. We have laws guaranteeing public access to healthcare which are benign - does that mean that the US should be required to follow Canadian law? The correct response from the Canadian ISP should be to mail back an elementary school book explaining about how countries are different with a suggestion that they read it and learn something.

    I would also dispute how benign it actually is because it can be used to intimidate people into taking down material that they are legally entitled to show such as the case here.

    1. Re:So what? by adona1 · · Score: 1

      Look into any free trade agreements between the US and Canada. Often (as the bigger of the two), the US inserts clauses where the second country brings copyright laws into line with America's (that's pretty much what happened over in Australia).

      And no, this type of clause is generally not reciprocated.

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    2. Re:So what? by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nope - culture, publishing, etc. was specifically EXEMPTED in NAFTA.

      And if you want to end NAFTA, be our guest. We'd love to see the provisions that guarantee you access to our specific percentages of our water and energy lifted, now that the auto makers aren't keeping up with keeping a proportionate share of production in Canada (I'm looking at you, Ford!).

      Don't forget - we're your #1 supplier of petroleum products - more than Saudi Arabia. If NAFTA goes, we can charge less for oil in our domestic markets, and grab a significant chunk of what's left of US manufacturing. And what you don't want to buy, China will be happy to take.

    3. Re:So what? by iamacat · · Score: 1

      So I take it you would be outraged if a US hospital voluntarily provides free healthcare to a bunch of people? If you are an ISP and someone sends you a notice that you are hosting warez, you may decide to take it down even if you are not legally required to. Then your customer can make a case that the notice is bogus and you put it back. Pretty much like DMCA notices work anyway.

      As for intimidation, the owner of the material can just say no and the filer of the notice will be fined if obvious fair use of the material applies.

      If you are against any sort of copyright, you can make your case and I may even agree with part of your reasoning. But ISP management which is not against all copyright will generally take down warez that it finds out about.

    4. Re:So what? by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      The problem with your argument is that the Canadian ISP may not have the legal authority to interfere with their customer's content. IANAL, and most certainly not a Canadian Lawyer, but all parties should follow the correct procedures under Canadian law.

    5. Re:So what? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Well... international law is a little more complicated than that. It's not usually so simple as saying, hey, my corporate charter isn't from the same country as a certain law, so I can ignore that law. I know that will be obvious to you once you hear it, but consider Microsoft getting wrapped up in Europe's anti-trust laws. If you do business on other countries, then foreign laws can affect you, in complicated ways not always clear to us non-lawyers.

    6. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I move there? I'm tired of the idiots surrounding me in the US.... I hear you don't actually kill your people in the name of insurance corp profits as well.

    7. Re:So what? by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be a pretty unusual regulation to prohibit a business for choosing its customers, especially in cases where there is a suspicion of activities illegal under local law and the access will be restored if the customer signs a statement that the activity is in fact legal?

    8. Re:So what? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      "Can I move there? I'm tired of the idiots surrounding me in the US.... I hear you don't actually kill your people in the name of insurance corp profits as well." Take the test:

      http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp

    9. Re:So what? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      If you want to do business with a country then you have to obey its laws. This is why MS is taking EU law seriously: they want to be able to continue selling Windows and Office in the EU. A Canadian ISP is different because it does not do any business outside Canada. If people in the US want to connect to it that is their business, not the ISPs. If you ring someone in Canada from the US using a phone the person you are talking to is not, now magically subject to US law.

    10. Re:So what? by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      It would depend on the Canadian copyright and safe-harbour rules, on the terms of the contract, and on the trade practices laws, especially given that Copyright Violation is primarily a civil matter. This is not a question of whether the hosting provider can refuse to deal with a certain person, but rather about whether the hosting provider can take down the content arbitrarily.

      If they were to end the contract, that would be a different matter, but they don't appear to have done that.

  83. Re:pa-ra-pum by jshazen · · Score: 1

    Heh, I read that link as "instant trim shot", and was worried about clicking it at work.

  84. ironically, if you did raise ur daughters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...on a that mythical deserted island as you say, they WOULD end up looking like that due to lack of food!

  85. Wasn't there a case reported here a while ago ... by ezzthetic · · Score: 1

    'publish your spurious legal threat along with copious mockery'

    Wasn't there a case reported here a while ago in which a law firm tried to prevent this by copyrighting their cease-and-desist order, thereby making it an offense to reproduce it?

    This tactic was in response to a large number of bloggers attempting to ridicule take-down notices by publishing all correspondence.

    I can't recall if it was successful.

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  86. Clearly by symbolset · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's readily apparent here that they hold the copyright on all of calculus. By publishing a calculus book, in whole or even just an equation, you are obviously in violation.

    And a well-earned copyright that was. People don't just invent a calculus every day.

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  87. Not a problem, really. by bXTr · · Score: 1

    If worse comes to worse, Boing Boing can just unpublish the whole thing, and it will all just magically go away, like it never even happened.

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  88. DDoS on Xbox is called "Host Booting" by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

    Look up "host booting" on YouTube and you see tons of people selling bots to use on Xbox live!

  89. Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not surprisingly the law was written so that it's only a perjury if the one sending a DMCA notice is not the actual copyright holder!

    Sending DMCA notices for situations that are clearly fair use is fine...

  90. you can tell by toby · · Score: 1

    By some of the pixels. And I've seen quite a few 'shops in my time.

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  91. That's a very clever idea. n/t by toby · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  92. I have only one thing to respond with... by Dudeman_Jones · · Score: 1

    *slow clap*

  93. Moving to 'normal' models by speedbiker · · Score: 1

    Somewhat related to this, the biggest german women's magazine announced a couple days ago that they will no longer hire professional models because they are too thin: Article at The Guardian. Money quote: "For years we've had to use Photoshop to fatten the girls up. Especially their thighs, and decolletage. But this is disturbing and perverse and what has it got to do with our real reader?"

    1. Re:Moving to 'normal' models by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      Somewhat related to this, the biggest german women's magazine

      Just for the sake of accuracy, would this be:
      a) a magazine for women belonging to the biggest german?
      b) a magazine for the biggest german women?
      c) a magazine for german women that has the most readers?

      Sorry, in the context of the this story I couldn't resist ;-)

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  94. Re:1/4 Pounder that looks just like Mayor McCheese by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    > there's no reason the burger components couldn't come pre-coated with a thick layer of edible film

    True. The damn things would probably still taste the same.

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  95. Oh my god by Alarindris · · Score: 1

    I just realized that the picture is not someones parody but the actual advertisement!

    I thought someone was getting sued for photoshopping their advert.

    Looks fucking creepy...

  96. Did they apologize about the legal nastygrams? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    No? What a surprise.

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  97. You could not be more homophobic and prejudiced. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    You make two innuendos:

    1.- That all males involved in fashion are gay, which is clearly a monumental falsehood.

    2.- That gay men somehow prefer infantile mates, which is homophobic and prejudiced, and clearly untrue.

    I really wonder where some folks leave their moral and logical compass....

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  98. Overreacting? by limekiller4 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only person to think that the woman is obviously and grotesquely altered and therefore find it far more comical than offensive? Looks like she's standing in front of a carnival mirror.

    I find it hard to believe that the intent of the creator was to depict an actual, attractive female.

    If I actually met such a person, the first thought through my mind would be "serious thyroid problem." And do my best to make sure they didn't tip over.

    Seriously.

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    1. Re:Overreacting? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, maybe it's like those calendars that have the kittens with the exaggeratedly-large eyes...

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  99. A small bit of justice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would you like to be the lawyer, G. Roxanne Elings, who now sees the Internet circulating her signed statement that she doesn't know Thing One about copyright law? From the takedown notice: "The undersigned has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner described herein is not authorized by PRL USA Holdings, Inc., its agents, or the law."

  100. Re:Let me be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks... don't we have the tag "BSFW"*?

    *barely** safe for work

    **pun not completely unintentional

  101. RL legal team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I may have missed an earlier post but...

    Wow, that RL legal team is busy and not in a good way.

    http://www.owenandemma.com/ralph/ralph.html

  102. Go Boing Boing by shambalagoon · · Score: 1

    I love that Ralph Lauren tried to pull this on Boing Boing. I've been reading Boing Boing for a while and Cory Doctorow is a strong advocate of fair use and sane copyright, so for Ralph Lauren to go after them with a clearly unenforceable DCMA notice is just priceless. Cory's going to bend them over a barrel and spank them until they get it. *grin*

  103. Isn't this yet another case of viral marketing? by kova70 · · Score: 1

    I mean, this ad is getting a lot more attention than it would have had otherwise... just my 3 cents.

  104. Something missing here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, isn't there a control mechanism in the DMCA legislation that allows hefty penalties for any company that abuses the DMCA? I thought there was some recourse for people who had services turned off due to a bogus DMCA?

    If this is the case, anyone receiving these letters should definitely take advantage of it. We might see less of this as a result if companies are made to pay.

  105. Larger Economy not bigger by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Often (as the bigger of the two), the US...

    I think you actually mean "as the one with the larger economy". If you care to look at a map you'll find that Canada is actually bigger than the US.

  106. Politeness by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    So I take it you would be outraged if a US hospital voluntarily provides free healthcare to a bunch of people?

    If the copyright holders had asked the Canadian ISP nicely i.e. not quoting irrelevant foreign laws and demanding their compliance then I would have had no problem - as long as the ISP did not break Canadian law in complying. Being polite doesn't cost anything and is often far more effective which is something the US seems to frequently forget.

    I imagine that you would have an issue if I turned up at a US hospital, as a foreigner, demanded free healthcare quoting the relevant act of parliament, and they just capitulated and decided that they had to obey Canadian law. Of course if I asked nicely and they decided to be generous and give it then nobody would have an issue would they? See how manners work?