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Girl Seeks Help On Facebook During Assault
A 12-year-old girl who was being assaulted by her mother's ex-boyfriend used some quick thinking by sending a message on her iPod to a friend's Facebook account for help. The friend was able to contact the girl's mother who then contacted the police. 42-year-old Raymond Ernest Cesmat was arrested and charged with two counts of criminal sexual conduct in the first degree. He is being held at the Dakota County Jail on $175,000 bail.
The girl was raped and the guy left the room. It's not like Facebook saved the girl from being raped. She contacted her friend and requested she contact her mother, then she escaped and called her mother herself from a payphone, then the guy was arrested. There's not much of a Facebook tie-in.
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How did she manage to pull this off while being assaulted at the same time? What did he think she was doing, updating her status?
So glad the girl had the courage and skills to fight back and draw blood in what must've been a totally scary situation. Way to go!
Guy is a serious asshole. Prison inmates aren't kind to guys who go after kids.
"Cesmat, who has a sizable criminal history,"
The girl's mother is an idiot.
Better known as 318230.
Glad he got caught but it's hardly mind boggling that a young girl use facebook to send a plea for help. When stressed you tend to use what you know, and with how often folks check their facebook page it’s almost as good as texting.
This easily the best application that Facebook has ever been used for.
Yes, this isn't a Slashdot story, and no, this had nothing to do with Facebook as it could've been a text message instead for all it was.
But a kid was raped, and that's not so awesome that everyone should be hopping on the "lol rape jokes" bandwagon.
Let's just chalk this up to bad story moderation per editor, do our internal-pity-thing for the girl for a sec, and move on.
There's a spot in User Info for World of Warcraft account names? Really?
where pedophilia isn't real, its just a propagandistic fearmongering tool to control people and remove their freedoms
you can't possibly be suggesting that pedophilia actually happens and that pedophiles must be caught and punished, are you?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
... Isn't that the opposite of how it usually works?
Teach your kids this. If there is an emergency, you can dial "911" on any phone.
At least in the neighborhoods around where I am this will get police to your (approximate) location even if all you do is dial it and hang up.
Works from nearly any phone, best from a landline, but any modern cel phone with location services EVEN one that does NOT have a current provider contract.
Naturally, if you can give your address to the 911 operator it will speed things up if you are using a cel phone (no wait while police knock on doors in the neighborhood to find you).
"Flame away, I wear asbestos underwear"
A 12-year-old girl, victim of criminal sexual conduct in the first degree. Hilarious.
Free as in "the Truth shall set you..."
Especially when they have 12 year old daughters? Cant understand it.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
The girl grabbed her iPod. Not her iPhone. Not her cellphone, the home phone, the anything-phone, her iPod. Her cellphone was taken away. So everyone who's going, "Why didn't she call 911?" or "This could have easily been a text message," it couldn't. iPod. Had that been me, I'd probably have searched frantically for a phone, even venturing outside my room, and ultimately running to the payphone. It shows incredible presence of mind for her to realize she could get a message out from her iPod (via Facebook, but it could easily have been email or pretty much any other internet communication).
I think that puts it firmly in the realm of Slashdot, and the debate should be something more along the lines of, "Should police departments have Facebook/other social networking accounts for the purpose of getting crime reports similar to 911." Probably not (too much spam), but it's something to consider. Sometimes it's easier to get on the internet than to a phone.
I'm a psychologist (amongst other things).
RTFA - she didn't have a phone.
who was living with who? There seems to be more here than is being reported.
iPod, not iPhone. Plus she might be left handed.
Cause dialing 911 on an iPod Touch will do nothing.
There's no patch for stupidity
A better question is: Why the fuck you din't read the article? Was it so hard to click on the link.
Dumbass.
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Why didn't this chick just dial 911? Was it so hard to find the digits 9-1-1 on the keypad?
She had a IPod Touch, not an IPhone, she couldn't dial 911 because the Touch can't make phone calls.
The mother is 100% to blame, from the story.
"Cesmat, who has a sizable criminal history,"
No caring mother would put their kid in harms way, good to see the child can take care of business, she should have gouged the a**holes eyes out.
Did you ever wake up in the morning, with a Zombie Woof behind your eyes? -- FZ
Do you know how to read?Ipod touch.
There's no patch for stupidity
rtfa, fuckwad
A story like this demonstrates to people that Facebook, and the internet in general, can be useful, even life-saving.
In that way, it may do something to counteract the typical "internets are corrupting your children!!1!" moral-panic type stories that propagate so widely across the news media. (E.g., see the current hysteria about kids listening to binaural beats on YouTube.)
Please, please, please read TFA. Especially before you accuse a girl of being stupid because she was raped and had no way of calling for help. It really makes you look stupid when you make up facts to support a viewpoint that accuses the victim of stupidity.
First, she made the communication BEFORE being assaulted.
- Cesmat had confiscated her cell phone earlier in the evening. She had no telephone. Hence no ability to make calls.
- Cesmat had briefly left her room after attempting to remove her pants and her fighting him off. She had no way of knowing she was ABOUT to be raped (get the timeline right), so she used her only communications media to get a friend to have her mom come home and get her away from Cesmat ASAP. Little did she know he was about to re-enter the room and rape her.
- After the rape, Cesmat left. She then blocked the room off and escaped through the window, found a payphone, and called her mother (who was enroute already).
Could leaving the room immediately have prevented the rape? Maybe. Or maybe he was just outside the room at the time and her attempt at escape could have turned this deadly.
"This post contains words, known to the State of California to cause thought. Wash brain thoroughly after reading."
She should learn about Voip - but still, smart thinking on her part.
This is why there should be a skype app for the iPod Touch.. won't someone think of the children!?!
Leaving a minor alone with any non-relative man is dubious at best.
A 12 year old girl and a known criminal ?
"...Cesmat, who has a sizable criminal history..."
NICE CHOICE OF BOYFRIEND! Really, really a great idea to let him stay at home and take care of your pubescent daughter.
Mom, you're awesome.
On another note, I understand that some people will find this distasteful, but I'd argue that this level of criminal sexual conduct - if proven in a court of law - would justify sterilization of both the boyfriend and mom.
But that's just too cruel for some people, I guess.
-Styopa
It is highly likely the mother knew nothing of this man's criminal history. Last time I checked people didn't just go around background checking thier dates. Hell I dated a woman for 2 months before I even knew her last name, much less SSI # that is required to do a proper background check. Get a clue folks. The press is supplied by the cops and public record. Of course THEY know about this guys history. The woman was likely totally clueless to it. Not to mention, since when was check fraud (something easily committed on accident) grounds to suspect a violent nature?
"And the heathens with their ways of trickery and deceit shall not prevail over the will of the righteous"
Is it really "quick thinking" or is it just "utilizing the only way she knows how to communicate?"
> LOL OMG MOMS BF HIT ME WTF
> OMG RLY?
> YA HE HIT ME
> OMG DAT SUX
Next time I'm assaulted and don't know how to get help, I'll try forcing lots of air through my tightened vocal chords. Who would think of that?
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
"911" would be a logical choice if she knew she was in imminent danger. She was contacting Mom to come pick her up, probably because she thought she had scared him off with her initial kick and scream. She was, unfortunately, wrong. But I don't know her true motivations, of course. I wasn't there, I'm not 12, and I'm not female. She got the word out that she needed help. She did something. Maybe not the optimal thing, but she's a 12-year old in a potentially dangerous situation that she may or may not be fully aware of.
Assuming she wanted to use "911", VoIP on the iPod Touch cannot do location, so at best it would have been a central dispatch office that covers the entire US. So, assuming Cesmat was within earshot, he'd know she was trying to talk to someone before she could get a location out. If she even got the call connected, it's very likely the call would have ended before she could scream an address with city and state to the dispatcher.
On the other hand, her Facebook friend already knew where she was, and she knew the friend was there and had a way to contact her mother.
Overall, though, agreed - she at least did something that got help on the way and became part of the evidence chain that helped nail the bastard for what he did. Tragically, it didn't prevent the rape, but I'm not sure anything she could possibly have done would have. If she had attempted to escape or tried to communicate in a more obvious way, Cesmat might have killed her, and no one would have known she needed help and it might never have been linked to him.
"This post contains words, known to the State of California to cause thought. Wash brain thoroughly after reading."
It's called "Rape"...
Bow-ties are cool.
True Story: I remember back a decade and a half ago when my father was hot tempered and would get drunk that I had a friend on chat contact the police for me (this was back in the big AOL days) when he went crazy and started throwing shit around the house and breaking things. The internet can be a life saver.
Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, but almost no guns. The US has less than half their suicide rate, with guns freely available.
People who want to commit suicide will use whatever means handy. The availability of one method, guns, has no impact on that.
A drill or a socket wrench cannot kill you if you drop it, or if you think it's unloaded, or if you get angry with your pregnant stepmother and decide to kill her while she sleeps.
Guns are designed to destroy life. They make it too easy to turn short term emotion into permanent tragedy. Throw in accidents, carelessness, sociopaths, and the primate violence found in all human societies, and there's no reason not to regulate it just like we regulate explosives or dangerous chemicals.
Having said that, I am aware that it's far more dangerous to own a pool than it is to own a gun, if you're worried about kids dying. And driving is probably up there in a similar risk pool. But the reason that guns should be regulated is because they make it very easy to take someone else's life by choice as well as by accident.
It's best not to make bad jokes based on grammar when English is not you r first language. There was nothing wrong with the GP's sentence and your "joke" is disgusting and not funny.
If you don't think my jokes are funny, that's cool. Sometimes I'm actually not funny.
And I'd tend to agree, there was actually nothing wrong with the phrase I was intentionally misinterpreting. If things had gone down the way I'd suggested, the original sentence would have been more naturally phrased as "my friend got his rifle and tried to rape his mother while someone was breaking into the house".
But the joke wasn't based on grammar, it was based on misinterpreting grammar... Like a lot of the Police Squad gags or half the stuff from Airplane.
"Cigarette?"
"Yes, it is."
"I live a pretty solitary life, just me, the open road, and my bike."
"A loner?"
"No, I own it."
"Surely, you must be joking."
And so on... The simple fact that, under normal circumstances, these phrases would not be misinterpreted is the whole basis of the joke.
Bow-ties are cool.
I hate to feed AC trolls, but please prove proof of your "Every crime ever committed against children comes from the current or ex boyfriend of some mother." claim.
I know you can't but I'm sick of the crap some people are willing to spit out. I would encourage you to also "use your freakin' brain" you moron.
Stop turning this into a "liberal" issue
Many liberals own guns. Most liberals think there is nothing wrong with owing a gun.
There are some anti-gun people. Calling them liberal is a republican trick to make people think liberal want to take everyones gun away. "oohh scary liberal going to get you.."
It's bullshit, and I sincerely hope you are better then that.
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That graph you linked to is obviously designed to skew opinion without scientific fact. The data have been cherry-picked: Wheres Mexico? Brazil? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Iraq? Georgia? Somalia?
Statistics that arent complete are useless. Also, consider that this chart doesnt compare gun deaths as a subset of all deaths by violence. Your post does not reflect any counter-arguments reflecting the possible number of lives saved by firearms. BAD argumentation! Shame! Shame!
On the other hand, it is unlikely and unreasonable to think a 12-year old girl should carry a gun. I strongly suggest any women over the age of 10 take the Model Mugging Course. http://modelmugging.org/
"The mind works quicker than you think!"
The real story here is that she actually found a payphone in this day & age.
First off:
Dont compare Japan and American suicides. There are signigfican cultral differences.
It seems that most suicides are spur of the moment events . Alaos, they mostly happen on swednesday.
I was listening to some discussing research into why suicide. there was a period where about 500 people were stopped from committing suicide by jumping off the golden gate bridge. aster 10 years, only 4% when on to actually kill themselves.
So having an immediate way to die does seem in increase suicides.
I'm not advocating getting rid of guns here, just thought you should be aware it isn't as intuitive as you may think.
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On August 23, 2003, while in protective custody at the Souza-Baranowski Correctional Center in Shirley, Massachusetts, Geoghan was strangled and stomped to death in his cell by Joseph Druce, a self-described white supremacist and inmate serving a sentence of life without possibility of parole for killing a man who allegedly made a sexual pass after picking Druce up hitchhiking. An autopsy revealed the cause of death to be "ligature strangulation and blunt chest trauma."[citation needed] There have been questions raised about the wisdom and propriety of placing these two men in the same unit, since prison officials had been warned by another inmate that Druce had something planned.[3]
A Worcester, Massachusetts jury found Druce guilty of first-degree murder on January 25, 2006, after the jury rejected his insanity defense. The next day, Druce was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for a second time.
Interesting that the guy who killed him try to claim insanity. What's the point when you are already serving a life sentence? I would have stood in open court, confessed to the crime and asked the Judge for a medal. What more can they do to you?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Suicide does rely on a lot of factors, as you mention for example culture, which I believe is a dominant factor.
But I have never seen anything that points to guns being a factor.
United States homicide rate: 2.97 per 100,000
England homicide rate: 0.12 per 100,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence
As I understand you are not meant to own a facebook account if you are under 13.
We need to heavily censor the Internet to protect predators from children like this. *sigh* I'd use a winking smily but I don't think it is appropriate here.
We use GNU/SunOS.
Maybe he did it; maybe he didn't, but right now, it is just an allegation.
So when you write,"The girl was raped and the guy left the room..." stop and think a bit. Just because someone says that it happened doesn't mean that it happened.
That is, unless you are prejudiced right from the start.
see here ---> http://www.farmingtonindependent.com/event/article/id/14790/
> If he didn't have a gun, he would have slugged her. The next day they would have made up, and gone on with their lives.
Their happy-lovely wife-slugging lives. Truly an approximation of paradise.
> Why don't you carry a wine bottle around for protection?
It is not handy and very slow to wield, a kitchen knife is better even. Bare fists can kill a person in less than 3 seconds if they belong to highly skilled fighter. But that is not the point - guns excel at killing OR disabling, and they are a top tier personnel weapon that you can legally buy, therefore people naturally prefer them.
I have nothing to lose but my bindings.
use counterfeit money ? Freshly minted with your laser printer ? Distance obscures, you know ...
I have nothing to lose but my bindings.
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_15540156According to this, the guy killed himself.
Cesmat had briefly left her room after attempting to remove her pants and her fighting him off. She had no way of knowing she was ABOUT to be raped
Wait...what? The forceful attempted removal of pants wasn't an indicator?
Looks like he killed himself http://www.twincities.com/ci_15540156?source=most_viewed