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Steve Jobs Tries To Sneak Shurikens On a Plane
An anonymous reader writes "Steve Jobs, while on a family vacation to Japan in July, picked himself up some Shuriken, otherwise known as Ninja throwing stars, as a souvenir. In his wisdom he decided to put them in his carry on luggage for the return journey. As it was a private plane he probably thought there would be no issue, but he was wrong. Even private plane passengers have to have all their baggage scanned, and the throwing stars were detected and deemed a hazard. It's alleged that Jobs argued that he could take them on the plane as no one could steal them on his private jet and use them. Security at the airport disagreed and demanded he remove the stars. Jobs, clearly angry at losing his throwing weapons, stated he would not be returning to the country." Undoubtedly this is part of the iNinja project.
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this makes the front page why? Its common knowledge...don't bring sharp objects into airports unless you are checking the bag.
“Steve did visit Japan this summer for a vacation in Kyoto, but the incidents described at the airport are pure fiction. Steve had a great time and hopes to visit Japan again soon.”
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100914/qotd-the-ninja-throwing-stars-they%E2%80%99re-for-my-friend-larry-ellison/
He needs the shuriken for his upcoming bout with Richard Stallman, who's ninja skills are well-known.
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Once while return from Japan Steve tried to bring back 100 of his "Trademark" black turtlenecks. The US customs hit him up for import duty because of the number of shirts. It sucks being rich.
Jobs, clearly angry at losing his throwing weapons, stated he would not be returning to the country.
And then he threw a Shuriken at the press, just to make the point clear . . .
Jobs with shiriken; Balmer with chairs . . . who wins . . .?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Sorry Jobs, but it appears that you are not on the list of the elite. It sucks doesn't it?
"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian."
Steve Ballmer was recently forbidden from trying to sneak chairs onto a plane.
Yeah. Apple is clearly in the throes of death and Jobs has been a pox on their house.
I'm just not sure how I feel about hipsters whipping these out on subway trains the way they do those other cool-affirming gadgets.
This is why airport security is so abusive.
You are waiting to board, most likely have already purchased your ticket, and are in no position to resist without completely ruining your day.
I've met plenty of young self-entitled pricks.
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
Kansai is a public airport, and the spokesman from Kansai (quoted in the article), said "The airport doesn’t have separate boarding arrangements for private- jet users", so i don't see why Jobs was surprised.
Since it's a public screening point (where presumably the private jet passengers can mix with the regular commercial passengers after screening), they have to apply the same security restrictions to all passengers. Otherwise anyone who wants to get a bomb on a public plane would just charter a private jet, go through security with his bomb, then hand it off to someone in the public terminal.
I'm sure that if he really cared about the items, he could have arranged to have them sent to his plane as checked luggage (it's not as if his private jet was going to leave without him), or he could have found someone willing to mail them to him. Heck, he could have found an apple fan-boy in line in the terminal who would have checked them and mailed them to him from the USA for the chance to shake his hand.
obs does have the right to take weapons onto his private plane.
Actually, no he doesnt. The rules extend to private planes too.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I just want to clarify that this is absolutely *not* how things work in the United States.
In the US, if you're flying privately, you walk through the lobby of whatever FBO (Which is a company that provides fuel, a pilot lounge, catering, etc.) your plane is parked at, smile at the person behind the desk, get on your plane, and leave.
Jobs was right to think that he could get on the plane with his stars because, usually, he would be able to.
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Yeah I'm dumping my Apple stock....looks like they are in serious trouble. This incident is far more indicative of the future of the company than is his long history of leading the effort to create spectacularly successful products.
Wired had a big write up how Steve doesn't put plates on his car and feels free to park in the Handicap spots at will at his companies. So why would this surprise anyone.
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/the-mystery-of-steve-jobs-plateless-benz/
Way to be timely Slashdot - AppleInsider has already reported that the story is bunk. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/09/14/steve_jobs_prevented_from_bringing_throwing_stars_on_private_jet_report.html
Obviously these are prototype case designs for the iPhone 5. Grip it the wrong way and you lose a finger.
It seems that if you try to take anything other than clothes and the most common of consumer electronics with you they will give you hassle. I was very near having a LED lightbulb taken off me because the ignorant, uneducated fucker running the show had never seen one before. They also routinely take jars of jam because they argue it takes them too long to check if something is real jam as well as send people back because the resealable plastic bag is slightly too big.
They really could do with trimming down a lot of perfectly normal every day items off the prohibited items list, even sharp items because since 9/11 no hijacker will get very far anyway. Fuck it, most people want to carry guns on board only do so because they want to bring the gun to their destination.
I don't understand why anyone would still waste money on a private jet if you are going to be restricted and treated like cattle at the airport anyway.
The only possible reason that this particular item would have made it off the Firehose is the flame-inducing material within it. It makes me sad. While I'm no fan of Apple, per se, I feel sorry for the guy. He could have investigate the local laws and policy before challenging them, and will absolutely be returning to Japan at some point, but still this is genuinely trivial.
Maybe 'Idle' material, but 'Apple'? Trolling, plain and simple.
Seriously though, he's on his own private plane. What the hell was he going to do, throw them at the pilot?! I think some airport security just enjoy the feeling power. A bit like Jobs I guess.
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
I bet he could have had the engineers fit half a dozen in a hollowed out iPad, and snuck them on board his jet, since obviosly the reality distortion field only applies to Apple products, not Ninja throwing stars.
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OK, seriously guys. Steve Jobs has gained a few cool points, given his wealth his own private jet is a given. The arrogance to think that somehow circumvents post-9/11 security at an airport, somewhat understandable. But NINJA STARS! FROM JAPAN! Oh, that's pretty cool. Everyone likes the ninja stars!
I wonder how someone would get things into the country. Not Shuriken per se but like if someone bought an antique jeweled dagger. I'm not saying this is what Jobs did but just wondering. It seems there may be lots of paperwork involved and Jobs just thought he could bypass it or didn't know about it.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
is that, like, a company title or something?
I wonder what he gets away with when flying within the US?
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Now if we could only get him to leave the US this way...
Seriously, they took your toys away so you'll never return to Japan. Boo hoo, like I'm sure they give a shit. Seriously, will this jackass ever grow up?
Couldn't he at least have thrown some chairs?
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Airport security is one of the most ridiculous & arbitrary things I've ever had to deal with. I went to a conference in San Francisco last year, and bought my in-laws a Golden Gate Bridge snow globe. The security goons deemed it a security risk--too much fluid apparently, even though it was pretty small--so they informed me that I could either leave my place in line & mail it, or I could surrender it. I spent about $5 on it, so I wasn't going to spend $10 to mail it, so I told them to keep it. The year before I had brought home a snow globe from Las Vegas without problem. I wasn't paying close enough attention, because they confiscated the rest of presents I had bought as well, including t-shirts & Ghirardelli chocolates. Basically, they stole about $100 from me. I can picture them now laughing as they ate the chocolates while using the t-shirts as napkins...
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
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California state law forbids manufacture, sale, possession or import of any shuiken, star, diamond, trefoil or other edged weapon used for throwing. So it's just as well it was confiscated at the airport.
But seriously, if you take something prohibited past a checkpoint, even though you will be flying on a private jet, you still could pass the contraband to a person who is flying on another aircraft. Steve forgot to pack his souvenirs and is upset they were taken away. I would prefer it if they offered a service (for a fee) that let you mail the confiscated materials to yourself. Fedex should just open up a small shipping office next to the airport security gates.
I've taken firearms on trips, it's simple, you walk up to the counter and declare that you will be traveling with a firearm. They send you off to another line, verify that it is unloaded, wrapped it up with gobs of tape and dump it with the rest of the luggage. If I can drag some guns along, I'm sure Steve can figure out how to bring some edge weapons along.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
why? order one from here.
He does no Ninja never existed, right? they were made up as a scary stage villain during Tokugawa Ieyasu reign.
The same period that started to Idolize the samurai.
And yes, it's stupid to remove a throwing weapon from someone travelling on their own plane.
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nope
Since the story is almost certainly false, my last statement (regarding Jobs being too stupid to figure that out) is not appropriate and I would like to retract it.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I hope he wasn't planning to fly directly to California with them, because they are restricted here.
There are many exceptions to that rule listed in the following sections, but I'd be surprised if any of them apply in this case.
I wonder how someone would get things into the country. Not Shuriken per se but like if someone bought an antique jeweled dagger.
You have them shipped, provided that the items are otherwise legal. You can even have the items shipped at the airport (major US airports provide shipping services, albeit at airport prices) should you forget that you are carrying shurikens or possibly just a butane lighter.
Apple Product Announcement:
Coming soon from Apple, the iHide!
It looks like a popular brand of MP3 player, but it's actually a lead-lined box big enough to transport throwing stars! And next year, we'll be introducing a tablet-sized iHide for larger items you don't want security to know about.
The iHide from Apple... Because *you* don't need no stinking badges.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Do you have any idea how excited I got at hearing that Jobs wouldn't be returning to this country? Apple fanbois all over the U.S. would cry themselves to death!
Of course, if this REALLY happened, the headline of "No more Jobs in the U.S." might prove catastrophic! lol
Faint rumors of Jobs's ill health are a pox on Apple's share value. There - fixed that for you.
ITARed
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
He probably planned to use them on the engineer who designed the new iPhone antenna.
I fly on my companies private planes all of the time, including international flights and my bags have never been scanned.
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
All I have on my maps are the US and outside of that "Here be Dragons".
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
At least I saw this sign in US airports.
and if he tried that usa he may be in jail and maybe even on the no fly list!
Next he'll try to buy a human liver.
Checked bags generally allow whatever is legal to import/export with only a few restrictions (live ammo, I believe, must be locked separately from the locked container with the weapon). Declaring a firearm is an excellent way to ensure that your bag isn't lost by the airline.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
How dare Japan employ people who vet what items someone may or may not put on their own plane. If only there were some analogy I could draw a comparison to...
I remember the last time I flew on an airplane. I was flying back from China and had a huge duffel bag full of tai-chi swords and other arms. We carried them all through the airport. Then again the year was 1998 and people weren't batshit insane.
I can imagine two such commercials in my mind.
One, a black screen, and music playing...but then, one by one, the instruments in the band stop playing, each cessation accompanied by the sound of a blade moving through the air.
Two..."Hi, I'm a PC...AIEEEE!"
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Am I the only one who first read the title wrongly as "Steve Jobs Tries To Sneak Shurikens On An iPhone"?
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Perhaps in the US. Not all countries have the same laws. The Japanese drive on the left, after all, and who can trust those pesky left-side-drivers? Yes, Commonwealth nations, I'm looking at you too.
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no, in the US he wouldn't go through any screening. In fact you can hire private planes and take what you want on them.
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So, he gets a taste of his own medicine, whats wrong with that?
I just flew on a private jet, and they didn't scan shit of mine. In fact, they even talked about how people had smoked weed on their jets before. So I call bullshit -- something's wrong in the summary.
-Clio
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The next iPad will double as a suitcase using Checked Baggage Technology to ensure your precious cultural artifacts make it back into your hands every time! The iPadCase is also virtually unbreakable unless dropped or hit!
Murphey's fighting Occam, and we're in the stands.
The iPhones most popular app - perhaps he was just expanding his skillset a little more.
Checked baggage, not carry-ons. Same way you transport guns.
Pack it as checked baggage, that goes in the luggage/freight compartment, not as a carry-on that goes in the passenger compartment.
IANAL, nor an airport security person, but I do have a small collection of swords, knives, daggers, etc.
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The problem isn't so much that he tried to "sneak" them onto his private jet. The problem is that, once through security, he cannot be segregated from the general passenger population at the airport. Those throwing stars could have gone anywhere, to anyone, on any plane. You avoid this problem by flying your private plane from a small airport that does not service the big jets, thus neatly avoiding the security hassles of those airports. Private airstrips and airways are best if you want to carry stuff that isn't normally allowed onto the planes. Me? I'd have shipped the blasted things.
Or maybe TSA didn't get the memo? At what point did he think bringing a pointed/sharp object on a plane was a good idea anyway? Some Shuriken have a chisel point which certainly could be used as a cutting weapon (and the pointed ones aren't any less painful). I wouldn't want some un-medicated postal worker to carry them on my flight, or some 12 year old that wants to loosen the screws in something, or goof off with them just for laughs. Steve Jobs, or any other celebrity for that matter should be held to the same rules.
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He's better at sneaking plans for Stars out of Xerox than planes with stars out of Japan.
Next up: Steve Jobs arrested on charges of indecency after being found naked in his bedroom.
The conspiracy part of me thinks, "This is a marketing tactic run on one of two levels; 1. to affect how people perceive Apple software security and quit complaining so much (less likely), or 2. To affect how people perceive the loss of freedom and get them to quit complaining so much because even the super-wealthy have to put up with it, (more likely)"
Except honestly, this time, the scales just don't tip. I actually think this time it's just some plain ol' human fumbling around with Jobs being a doofus.
But the spiritual pattern watcher part of me. . , that part notes that he's scaled his second great mountain and that it should be nearing time for his second great fall. I wonder if it'll stand on its own or simply coincide with the rest of the planetary meltdown. . ?
How did it happen last time? Fired by his own company, some kind of organ failure and a bit of grasping about in the ghetto of Next or whatever it was? I can't recall exactly. As much as I think Jobs is a manipulative knob, I do cringe on his behalf considering the spectacular heights he has to tumble from.
After the rest of the world has caught up with ARM based tablet thingies for $50 and under with cooler everything and open-architecture software, Apple's income will seize and with no grand new ideas forthcoming, in desperation and high anxiety, Jobs will somehow be ejected or asked to leave or simply pull Apple down with him into mediocrity. There has to be a component of a once-loving community of power-brokers turning its back on him in a cut-throat manner, but that can take many forms.
All assuming, of course, there's still a human race in two years time to care.
Interesting times.
-FL
Should we be expected to know all the different laws of all countries? It isn't possible to know all the laws in the US.
He should have been given the opportunity to put the stars in his checked luggage.
That is, if it had ever happened, which it didn't.
Technoli
I flew out of BWI. Baltimore Washington International. Huge airpot. No scans. Private tarmac. Simply put, you're wrong. Also, it's now been revealed that this entire incident is a hoax. So eat your words doubly :)
-Clio
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Or maybe TSA didn't get the memo? At what point did he think bringing a pointed/sharp object on a plane was a good idea anyway?
Apparently at no point--the story is false. Please read the other comments before commenting.
I wouldn't want some un-medicated postal worker to carry them on my flight.
But it wouldn't have been your flight; it was HIS PRIVATE FLIGHT. Please also read the article before posting.
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They are kinda junk anyhow. I wonder if this story is true? A guy that can make a company wildly succeed in this climate but is a prick over pieces of junk. The problem would have been the same here as in Japan. The whole thing doesn't make sense but what the heck not much else does either these days.
The problem is with the airport, not the country. He's an idiot!
Airport security must do their job at all airports they are mandated to operate. No exceptions. Obviously this is one of those airports. If he had really wanted to bring them home he should have either checked them or made sure his plane was at an airport which didn't have security.
Since the US has the same rules, hopefully he'll pull the same stunt here and never want to come back to the US.
For him to be pissed at a whole country for his own stupidity and huge ego speaks exceedingly poor for him. What a douche.
At what point did he think bringing a pointed/sharp object on a plane was a good idea anyway?
You missed the point where it was explained that it was actually his private airplane, not a commercial jet.
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OH it all makes sense now! Steve Jobs is a ninja. It also explains why he always wears black turtle necks. Not a very good ninja though. A real ninja does not bother with airport security. or: Japan is trying to paint Jobs as a Tsundere. "I-i-i-it's not like I like Japan or a-a-anything! Geez! I'll never come back!! Hmph!"
The Japanese are absolute STICKLERS for the rules.... Doesn't matter if the rule doesn't make any sense... if it is the rule, it should be followed.
That attitude is good and bad...
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
It's Steve Jobs ... It's a private plane ... It's just some phreaking ninja stars !!!
People are going crazy since 9/11 i think !
Because his fists are registered as deadly weapons. Does this bother him? No. Because he just kicks the universe and jumps up and lets the universe move under him until he reaches the place he wants to be.
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
Security at the airport should have taken his bag over to the side so nobody could see it. Then, after their coffee break, after Steve found them, he could have yelled over to one of them, "How's my bag search coming along?" Eventually, one of them might or might not have answered him.
Sooner or later, he'd get word that his bag might not be making it onto the plane.
"But, why?" Steve would ask.
"Well, there's a security problem, but I can't tell you much more than that."
Again, Steve would fire off another inquiry. "Hey, am I going to get my bag approved today?"
"No. It duplicates existing bags we've already processed, you see... There's a secret process to getting these bags approved, you know. Err. No. Wait. You don't know. That's why it's secret."
Ok, the joke is stale now. Have I killed it fully?
I had a sucky sig.
Apple Inc. Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs said he’ll never come back to Japan after officials at an airport barred him from taking Ninja throwing stars aboard his private plane, SPA! magazine reported in its latest issue.
"SPA!" means "The Onion" in Japanese.
Set your phasers on "funky"!
Stop and think about what you just wrote.
If the terrorists had money for a jet , they'd have money for a missile or two and they certainly wouldn't give a shit about commercial airports and what kind of plastic fork you can use on board.Furthermore if they _own_ the jet , i don't think they'd go through the hassle of hijacking it.
Now on the other hand , say some drugged out party boy gets hijacked by his latest friend who just happens to be a terrorist that decides to do another kamikaze dive , we have _military_ supersonic jets on alert at all times. And by we i mean this pathetic third world country in Eastern Europe , i think the US has a bit more of those on hand.
And what do these nice jets do ? They appear out of nowhere in literally 5 minutes of your transgression and warn you to stay on your designated course (which almost never goes above cities or other such settlements) or exit the airspace (if you just happened to stray over the border). Failure to do so will result in the aircraft getting shot down over uninhabited land before any innocent bystanders get hit. And you're paying for the service already , why get assraped at the airport as well then ?
This kind of thing almost never happens because it makes no sense to hijack a plane you can't do damage with. At worse you can ask for a really quick ransom in exchange for not killing yourself (good luck on that one, if anybody cares nobody will sing cash your way as fast as you'd burn fuel).
In other words , cut the crap, there ain't not terrerists on private planes.
iWhine.
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
If potentially lethal weapons are not allowed on planes, and there are people who are trained as lethal weapons in the eyes of the law, how comes these people are allowed on planes?
I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
There's this crazy concept called "checked baggage" where you can put just about anything that isn't actually a high explosive. That includes weapons far more dangerous than throwing stars or jeweled daggers...
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
he was holding them wrong
Its not because he's rich, its because its his own fucking plane and quite honestly he should be able to do whatever he wants to with his own property, just like there are rules in buses and taxis that don't apply to your own personal cars.
The international border is not - never has been - never will be - the same experience as taking the cross-town bus.
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Generally, ignorance of the law is no excuse. It's a defence that won't stand up in court.
There is one notable exception though - if you happen to be president this rule doesn't really matter.
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That's why the story sounds fishy, on an airliner you'd put that in the checked luggage; but what is checked luggage in a private plane? It doesn't make any sense.
And COMMIES!
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Why the hell isn't it? It's impossible to know all the laws, even congress doesn't read bills before they vote on them, yet we're still held to all of them without condition?
Technoli
... he wanted to take the Suriken in the plane in order to test the durability of the glass of the new iPhone... with the Ninja way... :)
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Why is this marked informative? Since when is a single opinion with no supporting evidence that's clearly flamebait written by an AC deemed informative? C'mon /., pick up your game.
Let's see:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I can't find any exception about shuriken there.
Yes there is always checked baggage, but there is also the wisdom in not putting anything valuable in your checked bags.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I'm not even talking about the Steve Jobs thing any more, since the whole story was made up.
Technoli
http://xkcd.com/651/
"Deemed to be a hazard" TO WHOM? Like he's going to hijack his own private jet?
Like a religion, "security" or "anti-terrorist measures" don't have to make sense nor be based on anything anyone can see or prove. It's all based on scary fiction, like Hell.
I'd pay to watch that. Also, add Torvalds and Gates? :)
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It's so annoying how slow Slashdot is about news these days. This story was already debunked. A simple Google search would have found that out before it was published to the front page.
So were Molly and Armitage on the plane too?
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What could he possibly do with a fucking shuriken? I could see them disallowing explosives... but pointy objects? This is just insane. Virtually *anything* could be used as a weapon, and you certainly can't take over a plane with pointy objects.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
"Some Shuriken have a chisel point which certainly could be used as a cutting weapon"
So can pencils, pens, and virtually every objects in existence, including your hands (used as a weapon). Again, I could see disallowing explosives and such, but this is just idiotic. You can't take over a plane with pointy objects, or they might as well disallowing writing utensils.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
You must not fly out of the country much. I am a dual citizen with the US and Colombia. I fly out of the US for work all over latin america. And i can tell you I will check my bags in the states and when I get to many airports in Latin America, I have to watch security digging through them. Just as I do when I fly back into the states.
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He probably didn't realize that the US explicitly restricts imports on textiles - even from other NAFTA member states.
I have no idea why.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
yeah I noticed that shortly after I hit "post."... I'm guessing KIX might have a security camera or two as well though ;)
Cue the rumors that Jobs and Ellison are preparing for a throwing star battle to the death....
Jobs and Ellison are reportedly good friends. What WOULD be pure popcorn-munchin' entertainment would be to see what would happen if both Apple and Oracle wanted something (a company to acquire, a market segment) that only one could have. I would predict one of two outcomes, no intermediate "compromises" (since when do Ellison or Jobs compromise on anything important to them?), and flip a coin for which:
1. A closed-door deal concluded with a handshake and a "you OWE me, you bastard" or
2. A sudden, vicious war in the marketplace, the courts, and the financial sector that was as much a personal dominance-fight as a business contention.
For scenario 2, I'd grant it to Jobs 2 out of 3. Nobody works the marketplace as well as Apple, and they have the huge warchest and stock market position to take on Oracle. Apple also seems to do better in court, though by no means batting 1.000 (note please, no value judgment on the merit of that). Ellison is almost certainly better at company-vs-company boardroom-level politics, but poorer at populist actions, and more likely to just plain piss off a judge. Ultimately, charisma, legal savvy and raw financial power would carry the day for Jobs and Apple, though Oracle could make it a Pyrrhic victory.
Next up: Captain Picard vs. Captain Kirk! we'll call it Slashdot-fiction...
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"Jobs, clearly angry at losing his throwing weapons, stated he would not be returning to the country." Is that a threat or a promise?
Tell me about it. You can go to your private aircraft while it is still in the hangar to check it out and offload your luggage there. But next you need to do a security raindance by coming out of the hangar again, passing through the metal detector and putting your wallet through a scanner, only to go directly out on the apron and walk back to your aircraft in the hangar. Why ? To make sure you haven't forgotten to put any forbidden stuff that you are going to use to hijack your own aircraft there first ?
Another anecdote: when my wife, my two children and I returned from the other part of the world we needed to transfer at Heathrow T5 for the last leg to our home country. There my 120ml bottle of saline solution (that I need to keep my eyes moist and had already carried around the world without anyone complaining) was confiscated by a 2ct goon because it exceeded the maximum volume of 100ml by 20ml. Mind you, two carryon bags of my family members had 400ml bottles of sun tan lotion which failed detection.
Hey 2ct goons, a well-off middle aged man returning home first class with his family after globetrotting is NOT going to use an excess 20ml of saline solution for nefarious goals aboard the aircraft. Though he is now mightily pissed off and will find a way to spite those whose name he wrote on the sole of his shoe.
I'm not a coward by any name.
Gahhh! It seems that Steve and Larry really are close friends. Now I have to question the assumptions I've made about CEOs' personalities based on rumors, anecdotes and my personal feelings for their companies and products. ;-)
Thanks for disturbing my comfortable ignorance, jerk!
Use of the words "good", "bad" or "evil" is almost invariably the result of oversimplification.
If you have a criminal record or have been committed to a mental institution you cannot legally obtain these items. Those are restrictions that are beyond the literal interpretation in the Second Amendment.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
At what point did he think bringing a pointed/sharp object on a plane was a good idea anyway?
You missed the point where it was explained that it was actually his private airplane, not a commercial jet.
But they would have to allow the objects airside, where he could pass them to a passenger on a commercial service, or be mugged and have them stolen from him, etc.
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In 2003 I brought back shurikens from Japan in my carry on luggage. They showed up on the x-ray, and I just told the guy they were souvenirs and he had no issue with them.
Steve Jobs sues Japan...
In the beginning, there was null.
California Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol, any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy, sandclub, sap, or sandbag.
Do you think that argument would be accepted by the border guards anywhere (except maybe Netherlands ;-)?
I guess you where kidding, but for everybody else here goes: As opposed to popular believe (especially in the States) controled substances are not legal in the Netherlands. From trusty Wikipedia:
Cannabis remains a controlled substance in the Netherlands and both possession and production for personal use are still misdemeanors, punishable by fine. Coffee shops are also technically illegal according to the statutes but, as has been said, are flourishing nonetheless. However, a policy of non-enforcement has led to a situation where reliance upon non-enforcement has become common, and because of this the courts have ruled against the government when individual cases were prosecuted.
So no, you can't bring you stash on a private plane to Holland.
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[quote]And wasn't McKinnon extradited for crimes that were US created (not to mention created AFTER the event)? So how is he to know what the law is in the US..?[/quote] I get what you're trying to say, but I'm going to correct you on this specific example; one of the conditions of extradition is that the alleged crime must be a criminal violation in both countries. A person would not be required to know the laws of the U.S., just the laws of the country they reside in. Obviously this is different than physically traveling to a country, but I felt the need to be pedantic.
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Observe how the headline places Jobs, who for once is the innocent victim, in the role of the malefactor.
Well, the chinese *are* pretty fond of those.
What a depressingly stupid machine.
Why is this story on SlashDot anyway? This is more like celebrity trivia.
to hear that the rules don't apply to the filthy rich.
if a hypothetical passenger for a private plane passes through public secured areas on the way to their plane, it's reasonable to put them under the same restrictions as everyone for access to that public area. they might be robbed on the way to their plane. I have no idea what the boarding arrangements for private planes are in Osaka or elsewhere. I'm not that rich.
You ship Jobs overseas and then you can never get them back!
The rule is not that you can't bring a weapon aboard an airplane, it's that you can't take a weapon through security and into the gate area. The reason should be obvious: if different rules applied to passengers on different types of airplanes, then a person flying on e.g. a private jet could bring a weapon through security and hand it to someone who is flying on a commercial airliner. I'm sure some airports keep general aviation isolated from the airlines, but as the article states, "The airport doesn’t have separate boarding arrangements for private-jet users". So whether or not Jobs was really involved in such an incident, all of this outrage is silly.
Apple has already issued a statement denying this story as "pure fiction." Amazing how much we want to believe rumors like this, though I did hear that something similar happened with Richard Stallman and a katana.
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You may not get searched, but the pilot would be in violation if he operates under FAR Part 135 (Operating requirements: Commuter and on demand operations and rules governing persons on board such aircraft) and would potentially lose his certificate if you carried a accessible dangerous weapon or explosives aboard. If he can legitimately claim operating under part 91 (i.e. you didn't "hire" him, but are paying part of the cost of the flight) he would be OK. But if he runs an air taxi service, that wouldn't fly. Whether the FAA has the authority to search bags or passengers during a ramp check, I don't know. They probably do. I don't know if attempting to bring a weapon aboard a Part 135 flight is a felony or not.
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Sorry about that. In part 135, the pilot can authorize people to carry weapons. It when someone brings aboard a weapon without the pilot's knowledge or authorization that there is a violation.
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I have been in a Qantas flight, departing Australia for some stop-over en route to Europe, and as usual they played a recorded message about Australian smoking laws, and how there wasn't a smoking section because smoking was not permitted anywhere in the plane at any time during the journey. The moment they got out of Australian airspace they turned the non-smoking sign off and announced you could smoke in the smoking section at the rear of the plane. I daresay that Japan being a sovereign power can declare and enforce that the inside of a plane is subject to Japanese law while it's in Japanese territory, and anyone who doesn't like that had best not land in Japan. In respect of getting things onto your small plane without government interference, the trick is to load your luggage at a domestic airport and fly to an international airport for a customs stopover. They generally don't search outbound traffic unless you're suspected of something. You might get the dogs but they're just after drugs, which presumably you don't have.
This is more gossip trying to become an urban legend more than anything else.
If Jobs went to Japan around the times of the Obon festivities when everything everywhere is more crowded than normal, he really does like Japan enough that he will be back again, shurikens or not. After all, have too many amazing places that even Jobs with all his money cannot buy.Kyoto
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