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The Three Flavors of Windows 8
First time accepted submitter Kelerei writes "Windows 8 has been confirmed as the official name for the next x86/x64 version of Windows, which will be released in two editions: a home edition (simply named 'Windows 8') featuring an updated Windows Explorer, Task Manager, improved multi-monitor support and 'the ability to switch languages on the fly,' while a professional edition ('Windows 8 Pro') adds features for businesses and technical professionals such as encryption, virtualization and domain connectivity. Windows Media Center will not be included in the Pro edition and will be available separately as part of a 'media pack' add-on. A third edition, branded as 'Windows RT,' will be available for ARM-based systems."
I've been running the test version of Windows 8 in recent months and it has been great. The Metro UI is slick while also all the internal tools and parts have been improved - for example task manager is simple, but you can expand it to include great amount of information. The technology behind the new Windows is also sound, and it will be interesting to see how it runs on Windows ARM tablets - especially those from Nokia. Yeahh!!
Windows Retarded? *eg*
With all the boss features... PC management and deployment, advanced security, virtualization, mobility scenarios and so on
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/mobile/official-microsoft-names-windows-8-for-intel-windows-rt-for-arm-015185.php
Growing up "RT" was code for "Rock Tit" A.K.A. Stiff Nipples. Although I can't say that the RT name choice gives me any...
From the article: "All editions of Windows 8 offer a no-compromise experience." But from previous articles, we know that Windows RT (formerly Windows on ARM) is licensed under terms that prohibit the manufacturer from allowing a dual boot with Android, Ubuntu, *BSD, or any other operating system. So the closest thing to a no-compromise Windows tablet would probably have to be an Atom tablet.
Does the fourth flavor, torrent, have pro + the media addon "slipstreamed" in or what?
I'm not about to actually use anything other than XP at home or work anytime soon, but its interesting to know about.
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
Metro is a shit sandwich. Having 3 versions of Windows 8 is appropriate. Buns and filler.
Windows Media Center will not be included in the Pro edition and will be available separately as part of a 'media pack' add-on.
So any power user, e.g. worker from home, will have to buy a Pro edition *and* this stupid add-on?
No, I kid, I'll be using one of the student discount packages, and I fully expect the rest of you will either do that or visit your usual supplier.
No, I kid, I'll be sticking with Windows 7 because I'd rather poke my eyes out than have my huge multimonitor setup replaced by a set of tiles every time I want to visit the Start Menu.
Why must they purposely cripple certain versions?
We all know Windows 8 is going to be the next "Terrible Windows".
Windows 9 is where it is at. If they even survive.
Hmmm...that will make things interesting. If you're shelling out cash for that 10' interface, and it's a separate install, it's going to have to compete on a more equal footing with all the other media centers that are available. Will this be the beginning of the end of WMC?
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
It costs Microsoft money to maintain "certain versions". What's the use case for a domain on a home network, as opposed to a workgroup?
Do you need Pro just to use Dual Processors(not talking cores, talking SOCKETS) like in Win7? Cause i'm really sick of that.
I just cannot fathom why at this point that Microsoft still does not grasp how important security is.
Nothing makes this more clear than withholding advanced encryption features or even virtualization from the general consumer version.
This continued split of versions at this point is just absurd, and confusing to the market. You'd think by now Microsoft would learn to simplify - I guess not. Must be nice being a monopoly that scores of companies have no choice but to ship whatever you put out.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The early rumors were that Windows 8 would be x64 only (like Server 2008 R2). From an end-user-with-a-lot-of-32bit-apps perspective, I'm glad to see they're supporting x86. From a sys-admin-who-hates-having-two-architectures-per-print-driver perspective, I can't wait until x86 is dropped altogether.
I've been working with Win8 at Intel where I test graphics card drivers. Of all the Windows versions I've ever used (all the way back to v3.1) Windows 8 is the most retarded version I've ever seen! Not only does it hide even more from the user, treating you like you're some mentally-challenged child that has to be kept from hurting yourself, but flat-out stupid things like Safe Mode access being disabled by default! "System Restore" or "System Repair" should NOT be the only option you have when something goes wrong! Yes, you can enable it, but you have to jump through some hoops to do it! Speaking of hoops, you have to jump through a few of those just to get to what in previous versions of Windows were basic system resources, like the Control Panel, My Computer, etc.. Seriously, it's like it's designed for idiot children. At least with Windows 7, I can turn off all the bullshit and make it a functional operating system, but Windows 8, by design, won't let you do enough of that to satisfy me. Is this what computing is coming down to? I may switch everything over to Linux yet.
Many of the "mobile device" type PC Peripherals (phones, pads etc.) use a cut down intel CPU and will have to use the main intel versions of the OS. A very comprehensive MP3 player is therefore possible, with an NVIDIA mobility chipset for the display. I wonder what games that will allow? Hmmm...
The purpose of existence is to make money.
Windows RT : as in... Windows Russia Today?
It took me 15 minutes to shut the computer down! You just push the power button now.
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I enjoyed this post on Engadget yesterday.
Until they turn it up to 11!
AFAIK, Windows 7 came in a whopping 6 different "flavours", as well as 32-bit and 64-bit, and it confused the hell out of consumers. (Example: "Should I buy that Dell laptop with Home Edition? Or pay 100 Dollars more for that Samsung notebook with Home Premium? But then there is that bigger Toshiba laptop with Windows Professional. 180 bucks more. But wait, the Dell has X good graphics card, while the Samsung has Y not-so-good graphics card, and the Toshiba has 4 GB memory and 750Gig harddisk, but has a mediocre GFX card.. but the Samsung/Dell doesn't have a BluRay player and only comes in black..." BRAIN EXPLODES. --------- What is the fucking point of doing this to consumers, who often don't understand the differences between the "flavour" when choosing a PC anyway? Its all ONE Operating System to begin with. Why not simply call it "Windows 8", include all the features, and be done with it? Or make a plain "Windows 8" for home users and "Windows 8 Pro" for business/power users. But not 4 - 8 different "flavours". It just screws with people's minds, particularly when shopping for the next PC or laptop.
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
Product differentiation = tiered profit structure. Makes perfect sense, and those who don't like that can get their Windows from the usual sources.
Windows BTW IS "free" if your time and effort to pirate it, install it then fend off viri and malware is worthless.
Screw that. I'd rather run Linux than Windows, so I do. If an employer chooses to inflict Windows on me, they can pay for it.
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Windows RG? http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg
So, 3 'flavors' of windows..... but with all the 'extra' little add-ons that need to be purchased/download/applied.
Sounds like Windows ala carte.
This type of nickel and dime bullcrap really gets under my skin and makes it so much harder for anyone in corp to track licensing issues and the like. And don't give me any of that bullcrap how running some in house licensing server makes things better because I'll be forced to tell you what a fuckin you are whn you scroll through a list of 28 different versions of the same app in the licensing report.
what a crock of shit.
The customers I support will continue to buy whatever the cheapest version is and then get pissed at me when I can't join it to their domain.
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
But I couldn't tell from the Windows 8 blog whether 32-bit and 64-bit would be packaged separately or whether the install would automatically detect.
Microsoft is trying to "appropriate" another established term to create an air of legitimacy of their products and imply capabilities that they do not have.
RTOS is a common name for a "Real-Time Operating System", systems that are commonly used on ARM, and, as their name implies, have real-time capabilities that Windows, of any flavor, never had and likely never will. Please note that "RT" was used for this purpose since at least 1973 (RT-11 operating system by DEC).
Let's look back to Microsoft previous efforts on this path. Many years ago they pulled out of nowhere the "Digital Nervous System" advertising slogan, apparently for no purpose other than to create confusion with DNS, Domain Name System. More recently, again, out of nowhere they called one of the descendants of their unholy marriage of OLE and DDE, ".NET", what would be a really stupid name if it wasn't a standard top-leven domain, and sounded somehow related to ".com", a typical term for an Internet-based business. On top of this, Microsoft was extremely persistent in inventing trademarked terms that sound generic -- "Windows", "Word" are actual trademarks, and "MS SQL Server" is constantly mentioned as "SQL Server", even though the former is a Microsoft trademark and the latter is a generic name for a database server using SQL language that covers dozens of Microsoft competitors.
How about a lawsuit from all RTOS developers (including at least two flavors of Linux-based ones)?
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
Here we go again. I want to run a VM so I have to pay more. But now I also want to have a media center so I take on more $$$. Then, because if I don't like the Ghetto interface, err Metro I'll have to buy a third party app for that.
I'll stick with running Windows XP under a VM under Linux for many years to come. And when support for XP is over I'll just create snapshots before I surf the web and restore afterwards and take my chances with viruses and such. Heck, it's only my employer and your credit cards that are at risk! LOL
I'm reading elsewhere that there will be four editions with an Enterprise desktop not mentioned in the summary. Also I didn't read anything about tablet for Intel. Is that dead or will the other editions install on tablet.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
For some reason a lot of sites seem to miss it. There are four versions, Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro, Windows 8 Enterprise and Windows RT. http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2012/04/16/announcing-the-windows-8-editions.aspx
Or make a plain "Windows 8" for home users and "Windows 8 Pro" for business/power users.
That's what they did. The third version is for ARM processors, which obviously needs to be different.
What language does the fly use by default? Why do windows users need a fly?
I always just torrent the Ultimate/Pro version anyway.
There are FOUR versions.
"Windows Media Center will not be included in the Pro edition and will be available separately as part of a 'media pack' add-on."
In other words, the "Ultimate" version, but not called "Ultimate".
After installation, a glowing hologram of Clippy appears and gives the user three choices.
Red flavor - Destruction. Win8 destroys itself to revert back to the previously installed OS. Network port is permanently disabled.
Blue flavor - Control. Keeps Win8 installed, but presents only a command line interface. Network port is permanently disabled.
Green flavor - Synthesis. Keeps Metro UI as a fancy DOS shell. Network port is permanently disabled.
So Microsoft has declared that an ARM tablet is different from a x86 (if any) based tablet and forces the x86 users to purchase office and device encryption?
I work for a major fortune 500. We're locked into XP at the moment, and from the looks of things, I see no reason that this is going to change anytime within the next 5 or 6 years. We have significant investment under XP, and all of our current in-house applications are written and tuned for XP.
And with more than half of our development now happening "offshore", it's a good bet we'll be staying with XP -- because our developers use XP. With a company this size, a rollout of Win-8 would cost many billions of dollars, plus a few billion in training costs alone!
Has any *major* corporation invested in Win-7 or even have a plan to roll out Win-8? I think MS is trying to compete in an area they don't belong, and is cutting off their nose to spite their face, so to speak, by snubbing their big corporate clients in favor of a tablet computing fad.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
They got rid of my favorite flavor! http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/02
On a serious note- I hope they really manage to keep it to just these 3 versions. It should help with their with support and dev costs too (not to mention us folks in the field). Surprised they didn't didn't do this with 7.
Brundlefly/telepod synthesis started....
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Must be nice being a monopoly that scores of companies have no choice but to ship whatever you put out.
Monopoly? It's 2012 not 1999, dude.
Looking at that gadgets around my house, Apple has more share of my computing than any single company. Google/Android/Linux is a close second. MS is in 3rd. And that includes desktops and laptops. And I bet most folks are in the same boat. The whole MS is a Monopoly isn't true anymore - even in the corporate world..
Also, I do wish MS would get rid of the 'Home' and 'Pro' on their products and go back to the 'Desktop' and 'Server' names. I hate it when I go a Microcenter or somewhere and they insist on selling some of their machines with only the 'Pro' version on it - like the "Pro" version is somehow better than the "home" version. There's nothing I hate more than waiting for a computer to boot for several minutes up because the system has got to start shit I don't need not want. And when you turn them off in services, it screws up shit you do need.
I think it's because we consumers have been brainwashed into thinking "Pro" versions are somehow better than "consumer" versions; which is true in regards to outdoor power equipment - mostly.
So, people get the "Pro" version and wonder why their computer takes so damn long to boot. So, when they surf the web, they'll just go to the "instant" on Apple product, or in my case, my xubuntu machine which boots up in 30 seconds as opposed to my XP Pro box that takes a good 5 minutes before I can do anything with it.
Use of this product may cause:
- bloating
- sluggish behavior
- loss of memory
- sudden fits of aggression and/or rage
- a prolonged feeling of regret and/or disappointment leading to depression
As little as I care for Microsoft, is it their fault that computer manufacturers include different hardware?
An option when you install Windows 8 to either choose "Metro look" or "Classic Windows", would make life a lot easier, normally I am the first to queue up for a new operating system but Metro has put me right off and after using Windows for the last 16 years having to find the start menu hasn't made it much fun to use so think I will be skipping Windows 8 on this occasion.
...one that puts the start button back in place. So far, Ive seen nothing to drag me away from the current version. Windows 8 feels dumbed down- do I really need the metro interface on a desktop? If not give me a start button.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
1. Wait for the odd-numbered version of Windows
2. Then wait for Microsoft to ship SP2
3. Then wait until your current desktop or laptop fails, or your department gets some unexpected hardware reqs
4. Then buy a Mac :)
This has been one of my complaints also. Why are there so many flavours? Nothing worse that having a home version and needing to make a policy change... they don't include the policy editor, and trying to find the registry entry is virtually impossible. ARRGH.
I just tell people now, purchase "Professional" or better, and if it has the word "home" in it, don't buy it unless you want a configuration nightmare.
Back in the Windows NT 3.51/4.0 days, it used to be "NT Workstation", and "NT Server" and I tell you it was nice. Very little confusion. Windows 2000 it switched from "Workstation" to "Professional" and there were 3 different Server versions - which did make sense, but that was the beginning of the end. For IT professionals, the three different versions wasn't that difficult to determine what your requirements were.
Apparently, the workstation to professional was a marketing decision. Professional to the "Home" and "Professional" again a marking term. They wanted to get away from the term workstation as they felt people would get confused with the "NeXT Workstation" or other various flavours of the term workstation; hence, enter "Professional" with windows 2000 (probably my favorite windows OS, I hated giving that one up and didn't till about 2 or 3 years ago), but marketing came at it again, and "Professional" scared off the home/non-business users... Enter flavour "Home" and it just continues to decent in the cesspool of more and more different names.
Amazing what happens when you let marking drive the design of an operating system. I wonder if they realize how much damage it does? Any piece of software that has the word "live" in it - I just naturally tend to shudder and shy away from, even if it is a non-Microsoft product (WTF?!?!?!?)
Reminds me of the old joke of the new MS operating system that was going to come out - a combination of the best of Window NT, Windows CE and Windows ME... Called "Windows CEMENT" - an OS that was hard as a rock, and dumb as a brick. Google it, I'm sure it's out there somewhere.
But, yeah, Microsoft, get rid of the multi-flavour OS. Make it something simple - go back to Workstation/Server, or Professional/Server... Or how about just "Windows [version]" and "Window [version] Server" and forget the rest of the 97million different flavours.
Those are the flavors.
After windows 7, we get windows 8 which is why I am sticking with windows 2000 ;)
It's 1992 releases later into the future and comes in a blue box
Let me be the first to say that this version smorgasbord actually looks sane. One Joe Sixpack edition, one enterprise edition, and the ARM variety. I still don't like Metro, but regarding this part we're all good.
This sounds as terrible as gnome3 or unity. Where are these screwy ideas coming from?
I was expecting Nutty, Corny and Green Apple Splatters.
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Get your lawyers ready! RT was already taken... in the 80s: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=867 (strange beast, BTW)
Do you know something about ARM processors the rest of us don't?
The only "obvious" reason is to squeeze more money out of their customers.
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It's virii, because singular is virius.
When have you ever heard a linux proponent say they want it to become popular? I think the most I'd ever hope for would be that those who want to use it find it useful. That sort of goes against the whole 'computing appliance' idea; that trend is actively harmful to general purpose computing. Also, 'freedom to choose; includes the choice to use a buggy, virus-laden OS, and good riddance to that entire category of user, in my opinion. Increased corporate sponsorship is one thing, but the only thing that Joe Average does is complain about how things should work.
Linux users: post if you actually want linux to see widespread adoption in the home market. Also note whether you think that this could happen without linux becoming a walled garden.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Single sign-on to NAS storage and other computers in the household? Seriously, as a slashdot reader you're really expected to know this...
Only "professional" has encryption? So non-professional users don't mind strangers getting acces to 100% of their PC if they loose it/some gets physical acces to it etc?
No private photos, personal email, anything?
Really, I don't understand how you could even consider a not-fully-encrypted OS in 2012.
"I work for a major fortune 500. We're locked into XP at the moment, and from the looks of things, I see no reason that this is going to change anytime within the next 5 or 6 years. We have significant investment under XP, and all of our current in-house applications are written and tuned for XP." I'm in the exact same situation. However, MS has announced the end date for XP support and security updates is now less than two years away... I know they want to kill it off because its continued use negatively impact their income stream. Yet, it is not our fault that ll the follow-on products have seriously sucked (Apologies to Win 7 which sucks less). If only we could force 5 more years of XP support.
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Having had the unfortunate and exasperating experience of helping someone out with their Windows 7 box, all I can say is "can they still make explorer more useless?" (pats trusty Linux box on head and is glad to have given windows up at 2K).
Microsoft is finally warming up to the the Linux Kernel release version branch split system in terms of purpose and usability.
Windows XP = Stable
Windows Vista = Development/Experimental
Windows 7 = Stable
Windows 8 = Development/Experimental
Congratulations on discovering that not everyone works the same way. Why was this voted up?
Maybe because Windows' and Gnome 3's insistence on "one window to rule them all" shows that they haven't made this same discovery?
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
we were anticipating the arrival of Windows 98. Yep, you read that right, young 'uns, and let me tell you, the story of how Windows lost its 90 is a scary tale indeed!
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-8-will-be-available-in-four-editions-1541216.html
Why should I pay for that in Windows 8 when I can just download Ubuntu 12.04 for free or any Gnome 3 based distro? I just can't see paying for an interface I don't want when the old interface worked just fine. Especially when I run the old interface in "Ancient Interface" mode where I have no aero graphics.
Which one ships WITHOUT the new Metro interface?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
And i have 10 legit win7 home premium licenses, why should i have to pay more?
Because Microsoft took the time to design and develop desktop software that runs on server class architecture. Because they took the time to test the features. Because they took the time to support those features. Do you think designing and adding a second CPU is something that just gets slapped in without any extra work?
You essentially have a professional class workstation, you're going to spend more because it takes more to work with your hardware.
Why do you have to spend extra time fending off malware with a pirated copy? Non-genuine Windows runs Windows Update and Windows Defender just as well as the "genuine" version. Hell I'm running pirated Windows that's recognized as genuine as well as a pirated copy of Nod32 (AV) on my desktop.
I seem to remember reading that the "greasy finger interface", as you call it, is analogous to the Start menu of Windows 4 through 7. This article claims that one can toggle between it and the desktop by pressing the Windows key, just as one can toggle the Start menu on and off with the Windows key.
Single sign-on to NAS storage and other computers in the household?
Isn't that what a Windows 7 homegroup is for?
I have no love of Microsoft, but the primary thing keeping me in windows, at home, are games. wine really isn't a viable solution to this. If i could natively game in Linux i would switch overnight. So for me, Linux is currently useless on the desktop. However, it is by far my favorite server OS.
and as long as you don't do anything stupid, it is easy to keep windows malware/virus free. even without regularly running resource hogging antivirus software. The problem is the average user does stupid things.
Windows isn't really what i would call a "walled garden", and they are quite successful in the home market. in fact i would say linux, as it is now, is more of a walled garden simply because there are more limited choices in applications available and less major publishers that create linux applications, both closed and open source.
"Why do you have to spend extra time fending off malware with a pirated copy?"
I didn't say "extra'. :-)
The burden of malware defense goes with all Windows versions, licit or otherwise.
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and a carton of cigarettes is also 'free' if you walk into a 7-11 with a pistol, point it at the clerk, and shout, give me a carton of smokes.
Worst. Idea. Ever. It's not like a car, where there's a real cost of adding features like alloy wheels, dual exhaust, a turbo, etc. It's software. The cost of pressing a Pro CD == the cost of pressing a Home CD. If I were in charge of MS I would sooooo KILL the whole "Home" concept. Sheesh. It's such an insult. They should just call it "Windows Crippled".
You mean, the development model the Linux kernel left years ago in exchange for a better one?
Linux users: post if you actually want linux to see widespread adoption in the home market. Also note whether you think that this could happen without linux becoming a walled garden.
Yes, it would make it a lot easier to get driver/software support. Though honestly, if it ever happens, I'll probably switch to BSD.
And no desktop is currently a walled garden, so of course an OS can be popular.
That would be "shitty," "poopy," and "crappy?"
If not us, who? If not now, when?
So far the only thing that has broken is 64-bit versions of Windows don't let you run 16-bit software.
For a change, that's not actually Microsoft's fault. When in "long mode" (the 64-bit mode), x86 compatible CPUs do not support "virtual 8086 mode". So, if you're running a 64-bit OS, it simply can't run a 16-bit process.
Although machine-level virtualization must get around this somehow. Which makes me wonder if that technique -- whatever it is -- couldn't be adapted to a more lightweight way to run a 16-bit process (without requiring a whole 'nother running instance of the OS).
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If you look over my comments you may see i am a "Fan Boy" for windows... But this user interface (UI) sucks so hard. What the hell are they thinking!?! They need to have a tablet OS and a Desktop OS. ARGH, this user interface is full on none usable. #BLDWIN
The ARM version is only being sold to OEMs. That, as I understand it, is why its a separate version.
Windows Vista/7 had too many different versions. Windows 8 will have 3 and the response is, "why doesn't the basic version include xxx!?"
Most linux users don't know this, but the man pages were named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fsck'ing hates noobs!
The only reason I ever wanted ANY sort of popularity for Linux is so that hardware manufacturers would either write drivers for their hardware or provide enough information so that someone else could write drivers for their hardware. What use is Linux if it can not speak to any hardware?
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That's a purely marketing consideration though. The GP implied that there's a technical reason.
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Hand them a list of features so they can be pissed at MSFT and/or themselves instead.
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"I just cannot fathom why at this point that Microsoft still does not grasp how important security is." - by SuperKendall (25149) on Tuesday April 17, @10:25AM (#39710101)
SuperKendall, nothing against you but... you *MIGHT* want to rescind that just a WEE bit after seeing some of these:
(The person giving them's a pretty respected source & yes, from the sound of what you said? I wager you'll even LIKE them + find them informative...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f151maKyC-M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSeNWvjhBfg
I've developed a newfound respect for that guy after watching them recently in fact, good stuff!
(& yes, I more than "know of him personally", albeit indirectly (i.e. - not like we go have beers together), & via working for the same company in the mid to late 1990's contracting to they for wares we did, & he later attacking a class of wares I had a bit to do with (which I overturned with documentation from MS themselves regarding Exchange Servers & about "dedicate all free RAM to cache" which utterly FAILED on VISTA & had to be 'backed down' quite severely in fact... that was AFTER I corrected a flaw in 1 of his wares by telling him of it, to which he thanked me for in email, & then what/when/where/why via the NtAPI Native call interface)).
Ah, anyhow/anyways, that "all said & aside" & quite the reason for anyone going "WTF? You're saying this about he now after that??"
Yea, I mean it.
See, for example:
I've heard folks here (yes, even on /. believe-it-or-not) state that HE ought to be the next guy to lead MS, & know what?
I am starting to think along those lines myself... why? Ok, a list:
1.) He's got the brains/talent/work-ethic
2.) He has run his own business successfully on a smaller scale
3.) Perhaps most importantly? He's extremely well spoken & has a nice manner too...
AND??
4.) Stupid as it MAY sound to some folks? He's tall (sound stupid? It matters in mgt. from a psychological standpoint)).
* Anyhow, after reading what you wrote? You DO NEED TO SEE THOSE VIDEOS... they're actually good too, in a "geeky kind of way"... made me have a new respect for he (not that I ever didn't respect him, I can't disrespect a person that built a tool as useful as ProcessExplorer).
I say all this because parts of those videos outline a great deal of security architecture in Windows (beyond DEP, ASRL, & more even).
APK
P.S.=> On an off-note? Heh - Dr. Mark Russinovich reminds me of Richard Gere in his expressions quite often (the latter's from my hometown & I used to be a 'big fan' of his films, so I suppose that's good enough to make that statement from a personal perspective)... don't get the wrong idea here either: I am not a "man's- man" so-to-speak either (that's for immature trolls trying to bust my nuts for this).
I don't know about you guys, but - I have trouble @ times "taking orders" from people I don't feel should be in a mgt. position if they haven't done the job (makes for BAD decision making & I've SEEN that happen... it costs jobs usually to offset losses is why)
So - would I listen to he & take his orders? Yes, absolutely, because I respect him (even if I have had 'minor differences' with him over time))
Anyhow - see those vids, & others of his up there on YouTube... most are decent stuff that might lend you a different perspective on what you've stated!
(However - I agree with you though that stripping features out of "lesser versions" or 'watering them down' is bogus, but that's how they're making money - personally? I think MS should charge a BIT MORE, but sell basically "Advanced Server/DataCenter edition" bundled with Office + MS Visual Studio - that's pretty much what Linux does for the most part too! They d
And call it Linux 9. :) It's simple marketing, my dear Watson. As Windows 8 makes its debut, the number 8 becomes associated with the latest and (cough...) greatest... OS. 9 is the next logical step, so the Penguinistas simply beat Redmond to the number 9. Then when they get ready to pinch off yet another version of their so-called "operating system", beat them to that, too.
Call this new initiative "always be 6 months or more ahead of M$." See how *they* like it.
the price of the biggest selling OS in the world is also the cheapest, or at a reasonable price.
There was an unknown error in the submission.
Windows XP = Stable
Windows Vista = Development/Experimental
Windows 7 = Stable
Windows 8 = Development/Experimental
offcourse being microsoft they have to do it backwards and use even for the development versions
Only "pro" users would even consider such a concept as backing up being related to networks.
Is Carbonite's "your life is on your computer" ad campaign making any headway in changing that?
I ask questions about Windows 8 in a story titled "the three flavors of windows 8" and it's offtopic? How in the hell is that in any way offtopic? Whoever modded that comment down should never have mod points again.
Please bring the old metamoderation system back!
Now this comment IS offtopic, feel free to mod it as such.
Free Martian Whores!
You got modded up as funny. But I think you are serious, and I actually believe that this is how they are doing things.
Well, this is the most logical thing I have seen, it makes sense if you think about it.
Seriously!