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New, Canon-Faithful Star Trek Series Is In Pre-Production
An anonymous reader writes "Star Trek veterans such as Walter Koenig (Pavel Chekov), Tim Russ (Tuvok), Robert Picardo (the Doctor) and others are busy in pre-production of a professionally produced pilot episode for a suggested new online Star Trek series named Star Trek: Renegades, which will be faithful to the original Star Trek canon. The events of the series are placed a decade after Voyager's return from Delta Quadrant. When the pilot is complete, they'll present it to CBS in the hopes that it'll be picked up. They have also opened an Indiegogo campaign, seeking more funds from Star Trek fans to help make the production even more professional. They've already reached their primary funding goal."
Sigh me up.
How can you be faithful to the canon when the canon isn't internally consistent? (see especially Star Trek: Enterprise)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_canon
recent star trek movies make me sad time travel and rewriting is the tool of lazy sci-fi writers out to make a buck on an established name.
I literally finished watching the last episode of Voyager today. That's *really* good timing. Well played, Star Trek.
Fantastic news!
Somehow, I don't think they will have trouble getting funding for this. I am sure Wil Wheaton will be on this as well. Trekkies are a massive economic force to be dealt with. I thought the Star Trek shows were more interesting when each episode stood on its own without you having to know about the canon and universe. A cursory glance at the newer shows and I have no idea what is going on and thus no reason to care. Heck, while I am at it, why don't the script writers add a bit f science to their sci-fi. That would be nice.
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.
Lately I've been on a Trek retrospective (Trekrospective?) thanks to Netflix and by Evil Spock's beard do I miss Star Trek
All power to the engines!
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that some of us who watched the first season of the first series in it's first run, before reruns, are still alive and kicking. Of course back then we watched it on black and white T.V. My brothers and I each got a plastic model of the Enterprise for Christmas. Wonder whatever happened to them? The models, not my brothers.
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This has "SUCK" written all over it.
It's been nearly 50 years. Time to give it a rest
Nuff said :)
Myth: Is it true that the Borg lives in the Delta Quadrant ? Let's find out.
Being stars of the series and/or professionals doesn't mean you own the copyright. Producing something you don't have the rights to produce is just as likely to get you a cease and desist order.
And even ignoring that, although this is "professionally produced", the people who own Star Trek will produce what they want. I'm pretty sure that if they had wanted a Star Trek pilot to be made, they could have commissioned one on their own. If they're not willing to commission one, they're probably not willing to buy one either.
All this is is a piece of expensive live action fanfic.
Star Trek Continues is very, very good. The first episode features the return of Apollo, played by original actor Michael Forest. I've already sent them money; I'd rather see this funded than more TNG era stuff. The era had its moments, but this is a really faithful back-to-the-roots adaptation that captures the heart and soul and the *feel* of Star Trek better than anything else I've ever seen. The attention to detail is amazing. Gorn Bob says check it out: http://www.startrekcontinues.com/
I really do. And it's good to see Walter working again. But Voyager and Enterprise pretty much soured me to Old Trek. I'm sure some people will really enjoy this, and the best to them. But I'm done. I'd much rather see something (relatively) new and different move forward, like L5. Or a series based on literature that hasn't been done yet, like Ringworld or even the Heinlein juveniles. Why must we continue to flog dead horses?
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After locating the nuclear wessels (a Russian inwention), Psi-cop Alfred Bester finds a way to travel back to the 1980's and muck with Khan Noonien Singh's head (explaining why Khan recognized Chekov on Ceti Alpha V).
I am officially gone from
...does that mean there'll be lots of lip service to the Prime Directive while completely ignoring it? Does this mean the captain of an important Federation ship will get into fist fights as part of his duty as well? Will there be significant loss of life among the crew as a regular occurrance during peace time and will the ship regularly engage in ship-to-ship combat during this same peaceful time as well?
If the answer's "yes" then this new production will be faithful to the original.
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What is this voyager? Anyway, while they're at it, I'd suggest making a sequel to the Matrix.
There's no way this is ever going to get the big stamp of approval. If Paramount did launch a new TV show, I would be shocked if it wasn't based on the JJA universe. Why in the world would they want to introduce the confusion of two separate Trek universes being marketed at one?
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Yes, please.
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Compared to TOS wouldn't this be way in the future? I know TNG, DS9, and Voyager occur in less than 20 years. The TOS characters that make an appearance all have some excuse to still be alive. Scotty is only alive due to storing himself in a teleporter. Kirk was trapped in the nexus. Spock is late to middle aged, for a vulcan, and his father is elderly. Maybe he's playing Pavel Chekov Jr, like Brent Spiner played Data, Sung and a few of Sung's ancestors.
I would greatly prefer if the writers for this series, in the unlikely event it takes off, focused on being self consistent.
Don't show the "time police" one episode, complete with an enforcement vessel called the USS Relativity, that ruthlessly polices the timeline, then magically resolve all the outstanding problems by having your captain come back from the future with cheat-technology in a later episode. (because if the time police let this stand, why don't they simply give the Federation the best tech of all time from day 1?)
Don't show a space station next to earth one movie, with a massive infrastructure, then show the Enterprise and another ship have their illegal fight between Federation warships right next to earth, so close that the Enterprises crashes into the earth in the same movie!
If you establish that maximum warp has a speed, don't show a ship getting from the border of the Klingon neutral zone to Earth in 5 minutes of warp.
If you establish that Bones is the medical officer on the ship, aka the only qualified doctor, and you then show the Enterprise taking massive damage with mass casualties, don't have him quietly standing on the bridge lecturing Kirk instead of getting his ass to sickbay to treat the critically wounded.
They're going to present it to CBS? Seriously? Well, that's a one way ticket to cancellation. Better for them to present it to say, NetFlix, at least there it would stand a chance of survival.
Remember, this is CBS we're talking about here; mainstream media. Mainstream TV media wouldn't know a good TV show if it came up and slapped them upside the face.
OK, so the saying goes "history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce." I'd say we're at level 10 and still digging now. Trouble is that from level 5 on down it's all known as "extruded crap". Jeez, can't these clowns get work? Trek "canon", what a joke.
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Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant in the year 2378. The events of Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country took place in 2293. How is Chekov still alive 85 years later?
Not another one. Please. This horse is so dead, it's not even usable as glue anymore. When IS there finally a good day to die??
When I saw this, there were 47 comments on the thread.
Perfect.
I hope they can get RDM to write/direct again! He's what made TNG and DS9.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Right now, too many careers and face are invested in the reboot. It does not matter how good or bad this would be, it is unlikely the IP owners would allow it to succeed since it would hurt the personal careers or people in charge right now.
They might use a Scifi original
I was talking to a friend about my idea for the next Star Trek show. One set in a remote federation outpost where a Federation Admiral is corrupt, and there is a crew of a non-federation (human captain) ship that is constantly having to deal with him. Think Dukes of Hazzard. The Admiral makes them out to be criminals, but the reverse is true and this ship is always coming to the aid of people in the sector while trying to scrape out a living and possible get the big score. The crew would be a Human male captain (I am thinking about reprising William Campbell as Thadiun Okona) An old Klingon with a death wish (just wants to die in battle, but whenever he get the chance he is needed and misses the opportunity) (also he likes 80s rock and plays the guitar) Exiled Romulan who constantly clashes with the Kingon (looking for evidence to go home and reunite with his family) Orion Slave Girl A female Nausicaan (twist that female Nausicaans are attractive) Vash might be a recurring guest star.
If this trailer is any indication, count me out.
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I will kill you and all your descendants, fucktard.
This is the same mistake made by all that have gone before... Sell it to one of the broadcast networks where it will be canceled in 2 years or less. Sell it to the SciFy channel where it will be watched and supported.
Sorry, but Mission Impossible is an entirely different series, not based in space at all.
The problem is that with the advent of millions of fans and the Internet every little flaw, tick and tock is well known. There is no true canon as such as there are too many inconsistencies in the series.
You see to get a Star Trek series that was canon compliant you would have to start by axing every single series after the original. Even if you did that and stuck with the movies you would have to draw the line at a certain movie without voiding canon. By the time you were done taking an axe to everything in the name of purity you wouldn't have much left to work with. The younger fans know the newer series and you would alienate them by saying their favorites simply didn't exist.
You can't even really say that Star Trek is an idea, as the very idea of what Star Trek means has changed quite a bit over the years. If you did go with the canon of the original ideas you would end being accused of being politically incorrect (why do the women wear miniskirts and why is the Captain banging all the aliens?). The bottom line is that you can't take a series made back in the spirit of the 1960's and make it again today. Society, the series, the actors, the story and just about every other thing about the show has changed.
This is why franchises get rebooted, it all gets too messy, and there far too many fan-boys and fan-girls to appease with far too little benefit for the cost of being canon compliant. It's not an accident that they just rebooted Star Trek with the 2009 movie.
Years ago...
Can you help? C'mon gang! Let's put on a show!
Actually, I'd pay GOOD MONEY to see anything with Larissa and Chasty prominently featured.
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I thought in the Star Trek universes that money was no longer used?
That does, I believe, constitute a threat on someone's life. As the poster to whom the above person responded did not post AC, it is theoretically possible that the AC who made the above comment may be able to make good on his threat. What are the poster's legal options? Should the police be notified?
Obamacare, duh!
Seconded.. Thirded..
McCoy was alive in 2364 and Chekov is 18 years younger than him.
No reason Chekov couldn't still be alive, though limited to piloting a desk.
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If it goes ahead I hope they get Kate Mulgrew (aka Capt. Janeway) in for at least an episode or two.
This really could be good, at least a couple of the actors mentioned in TFS have already participated in some post-Voyager fan episodes. They seem to have the right mix of acting professionalism (eg they're good at their job) and respect/enjoyment of Star Trek lore and neebish fans like myself.
Damn, I'm getting excited!
You seem to have missed the part where the crew didn't like each other at all ("keep from killing each other" was what I seem to remember reading). That sounds like a great opportunity to show a group of differing minds learning to get along and work together.
Also, to be frank, showing that a government is not so stupid as to always obey the rules it sets in place for everyone is a sign of optimism all by itself...
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I would greatly prefer if the writers for this series, in the unlikely event it takes off, focused on being self consistent.
Consistent? Then it would be just another BSG...and we all know how badly that ended.
With Tim Russ? No thanks.
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--- Jerry Garcia
One doesn't equal the other. Also, keep in mind that the ending to the series was just one bullshit weird event after another, culminating in a series of retarded decisions.
How is this canon faithful if Chekov is alive ten years after Voyager returned home? Time travel? Suspended animation?
He was 137 at the time, walked like he just dumped in his Depends and looked like death warmed over.
So Chekov was 119 at the time.
Voyager returned in 14 years later in 2378, making Chekov 133.
This new show is set 10 years after Voyager returns.
So he's 143?
Canon-faithful ?In this Interview, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLFPn6eyszY#t=277, Tim Russ says they want to go a different direction than anything we've seen so far.
Don't show a space station next to earth one movie, with a massive infrastructure, then show the Enterprise and another ship have their illegal fight between Federation warships right next to earth, so close that the Enterprises crashes into the earth in the same movie!
If my memory of that sequence is correct, it was far, far worse than that. They were locked in combat not close to earth, but close to the moon, and then once crippled and drifting they "fell" towards Earth and hit atmosphere in a matter of minutes. If they started drifting while in Earth orbit I'd give them a pass, but even allowing for Hollywood's compressing timeframes for pacing purposes (today's audiences especially won't put up with the more accurate space physics e.g. the lengthy docking sequences seen in 2001), falling from the moon to Earth was excessive and atrocious writing.
I am so on board with this.
Meanwhile, back in Klingon space, the legend of Worf's further adventures has already been scripted by Michael Dorn for pitching to CBS:
http://www.tvrage.com/news/7790/michael-dorn-has-written-a-star-trek-series-about-worf-your-move-cbs
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Sure, but when your typical oldster starts talking about how optimistic TOS was he really means naive.
We're dealing with a Betazoid over here.
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Enterprise just killed me when they would have this big long speech about the need for readiness and make Count Bakula say a line like: "We need some sort of alerting the crew about danger, maybe with light, a colored light, maybe we should make it red, so it could be known as a red alert."
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tactical_alert
Tactical alert was a security protocol instituted by Malcolm Reed under the influence of dangerous mind-affecting radiation aboard the Enterprise NX-01, in response to the perceived number of threats that were being encountered by the ship in their deep space exploration mission. The protocol was kept due to its usefulness. It was a precursor to the alert system used on later Starfleet vessels.
The alert was designed to automatically bring the ship to battle-ready status when a pre-programmed set of circumstances occurred (for instance, an impact to the hull, or an order from the captain). When a tactical alert was initiated, the hull plating would be polarized, the weapons were automatically charged, and critical systems such as the warp core were secured. In addition, all crewmembers would report to battle stations upon initiation of the alert.
While in the process of naming the new condition, the terms "Reed alert", security protocol and condition red were suggested. The term "Reed alert" was sarcastically suggested by Commander Tucker as the name for the new tactical alert system Reed was working on, but was later dismissed by Lieutenant Reed as being "a bit narcissistic," whereas security protocol was deemed "not very dynamic." (ENT: "Singularity")
By the 23rd century, tactical alert was replaced in Starfleet by the red alert, yellow alert and blue alert conditions. (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, et al.)
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I think it's a great idea to support independant media, and I'm willing to do so with my money.
But I want something in exchange: I want at least a DRM-free copy of the work licensed to let me at least transcode the work and share the work with anyone, share the work with them at any time, and share the work in any way I wish. I see nothing in this offer that specifies what license the work will be under when it is released.
Where can I find the license for the finished work? I would not want to contribute to a work that doesn't respect my freedom to share.
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I'm happy to not see Rick Berman's name associated with this.
I think I would rather see the new frontier series - starting from the beginning when Mackenzie Calhoun was a warlord, how he came into starfleet, and his adventures in Sector 221-G. I rather enjoyed reading and listening this series, more so than the other star trek series.
That is not to say I will not watch the new Series :-)
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I thought Bones portrail was acurate, the doctor standing around running his mouth well the nurses did all the work. ;)
"I am Gene R. And I see a whole army of my Trekkies, here in defiance of big-budget-popular-director reimaginings! You have come to watch as canonical fans. And canonical fans you are! What will you do without real Trek? Will you watch?"
"A shoestring budget against hundreds of millions? No! We will be grateful to Abrams and the lens flares!"
"Yes! Watch canon and you may be bored or groan. Watch Abrams and you will be entertained at least awhile. [Until you start thinking about what you watched.] And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to rewatch all the high-budget Melrose Space crap or take one chance, just one chance, to come back here as young men and listen again to the heart of Star Trek and tell Hollywood that they may take our money but they will never take
our Federation!"
How can you be faithful to the canon [snip]
Besides, if they are, I won't watch it. I'm faithful to the Nikon.
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I'm chuckling quietly because I do IT for our health center and you're right about who does the work.
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this trailler was made in 2012! gawd the acting in it is TERRIBLE
after 15 years since I first heard the idea floated, I still haven't heard of a better concept for a Trek series than an anthology...
you could do this idea AND EVERY OTHER idea, from any and all periods of the show's history/canon - including alternative timelines and universes
I can't believe nobody has thought about pitching a series based on the Dyson Sphere from TNG. Think about it. The potential scope is enormous and wouldn't fall prey to the "endless quest" type of story line. Get cracking. KTHXBYE.
When the pilot is complete
Is the pilot an android?
Given how much just about everyone was paying attention to real space news in 1968 I'm not sure Kubrick could have got away with anything else.
I've got no idea why the long slow spaceship stuff to classical music works in 2001 but attempts to redo it in Star Trek: The motionless picture and Mission to Mars come off as shit. They even redid the rotating set thing in Mission to Mars almost shot for shot and it just doesn't seem to work on the big screen while in 2001 it has you in wonder even watching on a small TV set.
Gotta admit, I cringed when I heard the words, "J.J. Abrams" and "Star Trek" used in the same sentence. And so far, ... yep... not impressed. Pretty curious to see Grant Imahara's spin on his character. That sounds pretty interesting.
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I've got no idea why the long slow spaceship stuff to classical music works in 2001 but attempts to redo it in Star Trek: The motionless picture and Mission to Mars come off as shit. They even redid the rotating set thing in Mission to Mars almost shot for shot and it just doesn't seem to work on the big screen while in 2001 it has you in wonder even watching on a small TV set.
One big reason was that by the time ST:TMP came out (1979), Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica had shown audiences a far more exciting (though completely unrealistic) portrayal of action in space. It's only gotten more ridiculous since, although Babylon 5 did an excellent job making realistic space physics part of the show (spinning station and ship sections to simulate gravity, Earth's fighters using 16 thrusters to realistically operate in all six degrees of freedom). And AFAIK only Firefly has attempted to follow 2001 in showing space scenes in complete silence.
Not for me since I saw all of those before I saw 2001, and it was only then that I realised what the ST: The motionless picture was trying to copy. I still can't believe they thought that movie was worth shaving a girls head for, they ripped her off big time.
The weird thing is anime that includes blatant magic puts more effort into space physics than Hollywood when it's attempting to be serious.
Just let Star Trek die. Not that it has any dignity left.
-Signed, a life-long Trek fan who refuses to watch the current piles of shit they've slapped the label on.
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This is just what Star Trek needs. it can be subtitled the original timeline. the main difference is it Star Trek was always into reasoning and mind games and this goes along with a low cost internet production. :-!. They were also always into trying to find out the truth. And, sometimes the truth was not the same thing is the âoelogical" conclusion.
Why even bother with this setting?
Okay they want to keep it in the Star Trek universe and in canon, so why ride roughshod over the Federation like this?
If they want to do something a bit more dark, why not do a series based with the Klingons or something? We could explore more of their culture and have lots of excuses to fight with ridiculous swords blow shit up!
Or look to the fringes; Smugglers, Dissident groups or even an Elite-style perspective of a simple cargo trader and his/her/it's struggle to survive (Okay that might end up turning into Star Trek: Firefly)
All potential to be far more interesting, exploring new areas of the ST universe without having to compromise the existing!
They reason for the misconception is probably due to the fact where there are a bunch of episodes where they find some planet that seems to have *exactly* followed Earth's historical trend, and they just happen to visit during a) the time of the Greeks, b) Romans!, c) Gangsters?, d) NAZI's!, etc...
Or I think there was also a few where you had godlike advanced beings observing Earth, or were part of Earth's History, mimicking gods, etc...
So not earth, and not time travel, but still...
Recently re-watched Enterprise (all series still working on TNG), and remember thinking.."Heh, oh yeah, alien NAZI's, forgot about that luz!" Of course I think they just copied "Sliders" on that...
Not exactly original. All the series sexified somebody. TNG had Troy, DS9 had Kira, Voyager had 7of9, and Enterprise had T'Pol.
Notice the trend of "Not really Starfleet", so they don't have to wear the uniform, and instead get custom more suggestive clothing.
Yes the decontamination chamber scenes was ridiculous, but at least her outfits were not really all that out there. 7of9 was probably worse.
I can just see the actor playing 7of9 being handed her costume "er.... do I have any lines in this show?". Yes she ended up being fantastic, but I just imagine the "so why is my costume different again?" dialog. "Er because you're Borg." "Why is that because they are efficient and don't want to waste fabric?" "er.. yeah that's it."
I only thought I was a geek. IT'S NOT REAL!!!!!!!! Get over it! You speak like Star Trek was some kinda reality that we could all look forward to. News flash, people! NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! Move out of Mom's basement, get a girlfriend, and accept the reality that you actually live in!!!!!
BTW...... If you think the dialogue on the original series was "groundbreaking" and "brilliant", stay in Mom's basement! You obviously have no place in the real world!!!!!
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