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Tumblr Co-Founder: Apple's Software Is In a Nosedive

mrspoonsi writes Respected developer Marco Arment is worried about Apple's future. In a blog post, he writes, "Apple's hardware today is amazing — it has never been better. But the software quality has taken such a nosedive in the last few years that I'm deeply concerned for its future." Arment was CTO at Tumblr, before he left to start Instapaper. "Apple has completely lost the functional high ground," says Arment. "'It just works' was never completely true, but I don't think the list of qualifiers and asterisks has ever been longer." He blames Apple prioritizing marketing for the problems with Apple's software. Apple wants to have new software releases each year as a marketing hook, but the annual cycles of updating Apple's software are leading to too many bugs and problems, he says: I suspect the rapid decline of Apple's software is a sign that marketing has a bit too much power at Apple today: the marketing priority of having major new releases every year is clearly impossible for the engineering teams to keep up with while maintaining quality. Maybe it's an engineering problem, but I suspect not — I doubt that any cohesive engineering team could keep up with these demands and maintain significantly higher quality."

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  1. Nosedive by horm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surprising absolutely nobody.

    1. Re: Nosedive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

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    2. Re: Nosedive by mccalli · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is a indeed a heated response to it. Not sure if I can be called "rabid Apple cult", but I can definitely be called long-term user (1990 onwards).

      The guy is right. The quality at the moment is noticeably poor, and rather than being pleased at new updates I now regard them with suspicion. Concrete examples exist both on the Mac and on iOS - wiping out a phone's ability to make phone calls, for instance (8.0.1, iPhone 6), is somewhat of a faux pas. On the Mac side I get daft things such as this, which slowed my 2011 iMac to a crawl until I invoked an obscure command to sort it. I get silly synchronising problems with iTunes, both the dreaded "waiting for changes to be applied" hangs and also things like "there was a problem copying these items, see iTunes for details". iTunes, of course, never has any details about it.

      Then there's functional quality. The whole OS is increasingly feeling like a Zelda game, memorising which magic multitouch incantation to invoke next to do something wonderful. They also trash things - Expose now looks neater, but is far less functional as it no longer exposes ever window but does this pretty-yet-useless grouping thing. They confuse things - I have no idea what my workflow for photos is anymore, is my photo just on the phone, shared in iCloud, just on iPhoto, where does it go if I edit it, how do I delete a shared photo from just one device without taking it all out of the others - that kind of thing.

      Then there's online - the Apple ID situation is farcical. Users: "give us a way to merge Apple IDs please". Apple: "here's Home Sharing! A totally new way of sharing things that's not at all confusing". Users: "err...no. Give us a way to merge Apple IDs please". Apple: "here's Family Sharing! A brilliant new way of letting multiple ids get access to the same content, possibly, but only allowing one credit card to pay for it! Give your 13 year old access to the family credit card today!". Users: "Sigh. Give us a way to merge Apple IDs please". I await with wonder what other non-solution is going to be offered to me in the coming years.

      I agree with the premise entirely. I think Apple's software quality has dropped, and dropped significantly. Bugs, functionality, usability...it's all there, and it's all worse than it used to be.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    3. Re: Nosedive by rwven · · Score: 4, Funny

      wiping out a phone's ability to make phone calls, for instance (8.0.1, iPhone 6), is somewhat of a faux pas

      Somewhat? Sounds more like "the biggest faux pas you can make where a phone is concerned." :-P

    4. Re: Nosedive by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Other than your username, this is almost verbatim what I was going to say. iTunes "integration" and "where did my files actually go?" are the top gripes, but there's plenty more along that line, including such beauties as drag and drop now failing on older versions of Photoshop in Yosemite (really? precision placement is no longer an issue Apple?).

      For the first time in twenty years I'm seriously considering moving off Apple hardware, purely because of the current unreliability of the software (which wouldn't be an issue, save for the forced upgrade path -- you can't run a version of Safari on 10.6.x that will actually load content on sites like Youtube).

    5. Re: Nosedive by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      wiping out a phone's ability to make phone calls, for instance (8.0.1, iPhone 6), is somewhat of a faux pas

      Somewhat? Sounds more like "the biggest faux pas you can make where a phone is concerned." :-P

      Only if you're in the small minority of people that still appreciate an old fashioned phone call. I know people that can count on one hand how many phone calls they make in a month from their smartphones...

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    6. Re: Nosedive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it's because Tim Cook doesn't fire people for fucking up like Steve did.

    7. Re: Nosedive by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would say the biggest problem affecting the desktop is the total brain drain of people pulled out to work on iOS. It's clear that's where the company sees the growth and that's where it's investing the mind-hours to do it right. People on the desktop software are becoming sentinels and janitors.

      There was a cute anecdote in the steve jobs book. Once the iPHone started development, steve would walk the halls and snatch the best developers and move them to the iOS project. Literally, one day the developer was in his cubicle, and the next his entire cubicle was empty but instead of getting laid off they were moved to a different building with different responsibilities.

      The future is coming quickly, too. iPhoto is no longer under development, and instead apple is bringing the iOS photos app to the desktop. iTunes is next, or shall I say, it is currently underway, just not announced yet.

      The 8.0.1 thing was a disaster, there's nothing you can say. I hope heads rolled. I also agree that we don't need to be making a new OS every 12 months.

    8. Re: Nosedive by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For comparison, contrast that with OSX 10.1 through OSX 10.4. Each version got faster, more usable, and had fewer bugs than the previous version.

      "Make each version better than the previous." That should be the goal of every software team everywhere.

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    9. Re: Nosedive by XXeR · · Score: 1

      For the first time in twenty years I'm seriously considering moving off Apple hardware, purely because of the current unreliability of the software.

      I run Linux Mint on my MB Pro. The only complaint I have is that the camera is non-functional (there's active work on solving this in the community, though), but I've been quite happy with it otherwise.

    10. Re: Nosedive by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I gave my iPhone to my daughter and bought a Nexus 5 precisely because getting the operating system (iOS 7 at that point) was just one big piece of suckage, and having to use the iTunes software to move songs, video and books off my computer. iTunes may actually be the worst software I've seen any major software house produce. If its designers and coders had any sense of honor, they'd find the highest building they could, and leap off of it.

      Android has its flaws, but when I plug my into my computer's USB port, I can copy files on and off without trouble, create new directories, without any hassle at all.

      The worst part of my saga is that my wife went out and bought an iPhone and an iPod, and I was trying to show her how to move all her MP3s on to those devices, and I discovered the newest version of iTunes is every bit as awful and non-intuitive as its forebears. After an hour of fucking about, my wife finally admitted that she should have gone with Android.

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    11. Re: Nosedive by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

      My kid hasn't made a phone call in years. Now if you broke text messaging There'd be hell to pay

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    12. Re: Nosedive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I never thought Apple software was ever good nor functional. And I love their hardware much of the time.

      Just look at fucking Itunes. To me it's a nightmare. Apps I deleted coming off and onto my phone for no reason other than Apple decided "We do things this way here and the user better know it's our way or the highway."

      One thing I have to say about the PC, is things generally work how I expect them to. With Apple, that was NEVER the case. And the worst thing is there never any warning when you think you are doing something, that you aren't. Too many GUI commands just going into some black hole.

      I always though Apple software was a mess, before Steve Jobs' second coming, during Steve Jobs' second coming, and now after him.

    13. Re: Nosedive by thestudio_bob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the Mac side I get daft things such as this [apple.com], which slowed my 2011 iMac to a crawl until I invoked an obscure command to sort it.

      What was the obscure command to fix this? Have the exact same issue.

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    14. Re: Nosedive by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      If all that you write is true, there's only one question left to ask: why do you continue to use it?

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    15. Re: Nosedive by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      I also agree that we don't need to be making a new OS every 12 months.

      <sarcasm>Then how else is Apple supposed to make perfectly good hardware obsolete?</sarcasm>

      If not for iOS 8, I'd still have my iPhone 4 instead of my new iPhone 6 Plus. While I'm pleased with the upgrade, I'm not necessarily pleased with having to upgrade. I know it was my choice, but you get too many incompatibilities if stick with the older stuff, so you end up being forced to upgrade if you want all of your hardware to work together.

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    16. Re: Nosedive by Skater · · Score: 1

      I just tried Ubuntu on my MB Pro 5,5 yesterday. It wouldn't come out of resume (after a minute or so of screwing around, it would lock up to the point where I could see my desktop background and a useable mouse cursor, but nothing else happened). I haven't had time to search for a potential solution to that issue.

      I was Linux trying because I've been having major slowness issues since Mavericks when displaying pictures. There are lots of proposed solutions in the Apple forums, but none seem to work for me; it's still slow. I know it's a 5 year old computer, but I wasn't having an issue under Mountain Lion! The delay started when I upgraded to Mavericks. And, frankly, a Core 2 Duo processor ought to be able to render a picture within a few seconds; it can take 20-30 seconds in Preview or LilyView (an app I downloaded when this problem first appeared). I checked; it's definitely processor bound; I was hoping perhaps a flash drive upgrade would help, but it's the processor that spikes, not I/O. From what I read, the issue is that Mavericks went fully 64 bit and the old 64 bit processors really suffered from the change... maybe trying to encourage me to buy a new one? You know, I still have a Mountain Lion disc around...

      I was testing Linux on it because I was hoping it'd be faster, but unfortunately Linux wasn't working all that well on my MBP, and RAW files and Linux are still a bit of a beast. I could probably work around the latter, but the former was kind of a PITA.

      I hate to buy a new one because they're damn expensive, and my old one should be working fine. Rendering 16 megapixel pictures is not one of the things that's driving processor design these days.

    17. Re: Nosedive by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      iTunes has always been a swiss army knife. If a swiss army knife were made out of rusty nails, bits of string and some pudding. By chimpanzees.

      Starts out a music player that syncs to your iPod. Okay, fine. You might not love it, but it's got a simple mission and generally works.

      Then we'll add the music store! Now you can buy music with it! And manage the DRM that came with it. So now you've got account management.

      Well now it's going to handle videos, too! Still i"Tunes" but now with video. All right.

      Now streaming! Now it's your hub to zap stuff to your AppleTV or remote speakers. It's a server now, too!

      Then phones! Okay so now it'll handle phone activation and software updates. And sync contacts, and email, and calendars. And photos! But you'll have to go into iPhoto to import or export your photos. Wouldn't make any sense to have a product called 'iTunes' handle photos, too, right? That would be feature creep!

      And then we'll add on the app store! So you buy and manage your phone apps with iTunes!

      I'm sure I'm leaving out a half-dozen other features shoehorned into a music player. I'm also sure I got the order of the release of those features wrong, but you get the idea.

      And to top it all off, every damn version has a completely different interface, unrelated to previous releases. It's worse than Microsoft Office.

      Apple needs to kill iTunes with fire and start over. Have a program that handles music play lists. Have another program that syncs stuff to your phone. Have another program that streams media to other devices. But cramming all that into one ancient program is a mess.

      Not that I care. I switched to Android.

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    18. Re: Nosedive by Sun · · Score: 4, Informative

      My kid hasn't made a phone call in years. Now if you broke text messaging There'd be hell to pay

      Didn't they do just that if the person you were texting moved from an iPhone to Android?

      Shachar

    19. Re: Nosedive by Skater · · Score: 1

      I gave my iPhone to my daughter and bought a Nexus 5 precisely because getting the operating system (iOS 7 at that point) was just one big piece of suckage, and having to use the iTunes software to move songs, video and books off my computer. iTunes may actually be the worst software I've seen any major software house produce. If its designers and coders had any sense of honor, they'd find the highest building they could, and leap off of it.

      Android has its flaws, but when I plug my into my computer's USB port, I can copy files on and off without trouble, create new directories, without any hassle at all.

      The worst part of my saga is that my wife went out and bought an iPhone and an iPod, and I was trying to show her how to move all her MP3s on to those devices, and I discovered the newest version of iTunes is every bit as awful and non-intuitive as its forebears. After an hour of fucking about, my wife finally admitted that she should have gone with Android.

      I had exactly the opposite problem with Android - getting music on to my S3 was a nightmare; after wasting many hours fighting with it, I finally had to buy software to sync over the air, and that never worked all that well. I never could get my Macbook Pro or my Linux desktop to recognize my Android phone when I plugged it in, even with the Android drivers for OS X that are available. When the iPhone 6 came out, I preordered one and was able to load songs on to it with just a couple clicks and some time to sync, no problem. Maybe iTunes for Windows is bad, but it always seems to work fine for me under OS X.

    20. Re: Nosedive by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to disagree with most things. I'm curious what issues you are having with Family Sharing. After a few updates (noteably 8.1) I found it actually works like I expected, and my son can request apps and I can approve them on my own device. Usually. That's more or less what I wanted from the feature.

      I have a few issues in decreasing severity:
      - It wasn't clear when it rolled out that you don't HAVE to give your 6yo his own Apple ID (or your 13yo), and once done can't be undone. It's quite clear now though. So back then, I set one up, and live in fear of all the communication tools he has access to that i can't restrict. I'm somewhat conservative in that I don't think a 6yo should have open access to all persons, and I should be able to shut that off.
      - Sometimes permission requests get dropped, or don't get to my iPhone. Bug. Much less frequent lately, but still lurking.
      - Annoyingly asks for the youngin's password too many times

      I suspect that merging IDs will never happen, but the reason I would want that is exactly family sharing.

    21. Re: Nosedive by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I like that the mac PCs haven't changed much recently. My macbook still does pretty much what I expect it to. I can bring up a bash shell and SSH to somewhere useful. I can edit tunes and schematics. I can write python code on it. The web browser browses.

      God forbid the day the iPhone fails and they put all the programmers back to futzing with macos.

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    22. Re: Nosedive by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      It's not done until Lotus won't run.

      This isn't just some random app. This is the name that everyone wants to drop any time they want to beat up on Linux. If these two companies together can't get that right then they should just liquidate Apple like Dell said they should.

      Why should old apps break in the new OS?

      If it were anything but Apple you would be raking that OS vendor over the coals.

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    23. Re: Nosedive by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Yes. 10.8 was also a fixes update. I avoided 10.7 but used 10.8. Right now though:

      a) People want new stuff
      b) People want stuff to be heavily integrated between iOS and OSX which means changes to the architecture
      c) People want less bugs

      I suspect they aren't getting all 3.

    24. Re: Nosedive by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      But even if it were \ OSX 10.0 was a huge increase in bugs from OS9.

      OS9 didn't have pre-emptive multi-tasking or even protected memory. That's bigger than any bug in OSX 10.0.

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    25. Re: Nosedive by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Never had any substantial issues with Kit Kat. Now let's talk about Lollipop and my Nexus 7 2012 edition.

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    26. Re: Nosedive by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once you're committed to the ecosystem, it's probably hard to change. You're used to Apple's little quirks and would probably find Windows annoying. You may have a lot of expense tied up in software or even hardware that only works with other Apple kit.

      Thunderbolt storage array? Good luck with that. Commercial MacOS apps? Good luck with those.

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    27. Re: Nosedive by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Informative

      "I had exactly the opposite problem with Android - getting music on to my S3 was a nightmare; after wasting many hours fighting with it, I finally had to buy software to sync over the air, and that never worked all that well..."

      I have the S3. Copied all my music to a 64gb card and popped it in, with no issues. My music goes everywhere with me, played through bluetooth, aux jack or cassette adaptor.

    28. Re: Nosedive by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      what incompatibilities were you finding with your iphone 4. it's true that the hardware has developed rapidly. but that's hardly the fault of the OS. it sounds to me like you upgraded to an iphone 6 because you wanted it.

    29. Re: Nosedive by jythie · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, Adobe and Apple hate each other, so while Photoshop has marque value, problems are a sad byproduct of companies not really wanting the other to succeed. It is funny to watch their support people blame each other though, reading complaints about Adobe STILL not supporting OSX's case sensitive version are nice and dramatic. Apparently Adobe can not fix a few file names in their version control due to Apple's installer packaging. Old problem and they are more interested in blaming each other then taking the half day to fix it.

    30. Re: Nosedive by unixisc · · Score: 1

      My kid hasn't made a phone call in years. Now if you broke text messaging There'd be hell to pay

      Don't they use WhatsApp in its place? As for calls, don't they use FaceTime?

    31. Re: Nosedive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Android has its flaws, but when I plug my into my computer's USB port, I can copy files on and off without trouble, create new directories, without any hassle at all.

      Don't get too complacent: Android has been gradually working on breaking that for some time now (Removing UMS functionality, incrementally crippling SD capabilities where they don't pull it outright, etc.) In some ways, Android has been plagued by many of the same issues the i-dot-star OSes have.

    32. Re: Nosedive by Calydor · · Score: 2

      It's in the linked thread. sudo something 0x10 something something.

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    33. Re: Nosedive by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Funny

      iTunes has always been a swiss army knife. If a swiss army knife were made out of rusty nails, bits of string and some pudding. By chimpanzees.

      Oh come on now, that's not fair! There is really no need to insult chimpanzees like that. They can at least use sticks to get ants out of ant mounds. And there is no way that whoever designed iTunes could manage that.

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    34. Re: Nosedive by Megane · · Score: 1

      It also took ten freaking seconds to wake up a PowerBook from sleep because that's how long it took for the OpenTransport networking stack to recover from sleep. That alone convinced me to switch to 10.0 public beta, even though the power management on G4 Pismo model laptops didn't turn enough things off during sleep, making the battery die faster.

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    35. Re: Nosedive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      wiping out a phone's ability to make phone calls, for instance (8.0.1, iPhone 6), is somewhat of a faux pas

      Somewhat? Sounds more like "the biggest faux pas you can make where a phone is concerned." :-P

      Enh. Who makes phone calls anymore? I'm surprised they still test the feature in quality control. Or not, in this case, apparently.

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    36. Re: Nosedive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      My kid hasn't made a phone call in years. Now if you broke text messaging There'd be hell to pay

      My kid only makes a phone call when she's mad about something. Because, apparently, text messaging isn't loud enough. Or something.

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    37. Re: Nosedive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      My kid hasn't made a phone call in years. Now if you broke text messaging There'd be hell to pay

      Don't they use WhatsApp in its place? As for calls, don't they use FaceTime?

      Oddly enough, FaceTime and its ilk really hasn't caught on with teens in my experience. Apparently, contrary to all those science fiction stories, people in general really don't want videophones after all, even after they became practical. To my knowledge, only uber-geeks are using it, and only because they can.

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    38. Re: Nosedive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      including such beauties as drag and drop now failing on older versions of Photoshop in Yosemite

      So Adobe's shitty code is Apple's fault?

      If you say so, but whomever's fault it is, the reason I don't use a mac anymore is because there were fewer problems with Adobe CS series on Winders. [1]

      I know, I'm as shocked as you are, but there you go. Apple can say it's Adobe's fault... might even be true (I am not in a position to know) but I need Adobe for my work, and Apple is just a platform. It's not an application. It needs applications to be useful.

      [1] Admittedly, assuming I don't do too much else on the Windows box and that I'm very careful about practicing Safe Computing. And I don't "upgrade" to Windows 8.

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    39. Re: Nosedive by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      That's the point -- you can't install a modern Safari on 10.6. The solution, however, is to install a modern version of Chrome.

      Yosemite really requires 4GB RAM, which means people with 4-year-old iBooks with stock memory have to find somewhere that still carries their RAM in a 4GB configuration and upgrade that in order to upgrade to Yosemite -- which still won't perform all that well on their hardware.

      The question remains: how come Apple doesn't have an easy upgrade path for users of 4-year-old hardware? The limitations are all in software, and could all be removed by tightening up the software and removing the forced obsolescence code.

    40. Re: Nosedive by JimMcc · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I agree. I moved to the Mac world 10 years ago because I was tired of the constant struggle to keep Windows boxes working, both hardware and software. At that time, Mac was a breath of fresh air. It did just work. Now I'm with macalli, I dread each new update wondering if things will net out as better or worse.

    41. Re: Nosedive by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      > iTunes has always been a swiss army knife. If a swiss army knife were made out of rusty nails, bits of string and some pudding. By chimpanzees.

      :-) Thank you. That's my new favorite quote for this week. (And it's only Monday!)

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    42. Re: Nosedive by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Because, apparently, text messaging isn't loud enough.

      Show them the caps lock key

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    43. Re: Nosedive by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S NOT LOUD ENOUGH?!

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

      OF COURSE IT IS! THAT'S THE JOKE!

    44. Re: Nosedive by rwven · · Score: 1

      About 25% or more of my phone's time in-use is in-call. While there are quite a few people who use calling as a minor feature, there are plenty of us who use a phone for calling very regularly. :-)

    45. Re: Nosedive by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming you mean MacBook or MacBook Pro, as iBooks haven't been sold since 2006, and they were PPC systems, and 10.6 was the version that nixed PPC support. However, whatever model of Apple you're looking to get RAM for, go to otherworldcomputing.com / macsales.com (same site now). They have RAM for every model of Intel powered Mac, as well as some for PPC powered Macs, amazingly. Every stick of RAM they sell, they have tested that make and model in the computer it is advertised for. If you want, you can use the site just as a resource to determine what kind of memory (speed, max size) to buy at NewEgg or wherever you normally shop.

    46. Re: Nosedive by rockout · · Score: 1

      there are plenty of us over 40-year-olds who use a phone for calling very regularly. :-)

      FTFY

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    47. Re: Nosedive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Safe Computing"

      You know; in the last 11 years I don't think I have ever installed a virus on my windows machine.

      You know how I do it?
      It isn't from only going to "safe" websites (I've viewed my fair share of porn)
      It isn't from avoiding running "sketchy" programs (I've installed many hacks and stolen all kinds of software).
      It is by having half a brain.
      When that popup appears that says: "INSTALL VIRUS??? NO WAIT ANTIVIRUS???" I don't agree, download the program and run it.
      When a hack for a program looks like a virus; not a hack for a program don't install it.
      When I update a program, from ATI or oracle, or google or whoever DONT LET THEM TICK THAT INSTALL ADWARE CRAPWARE BOX. Ever. Don't ever accidentally let that sail through.

      After all of this; I regularly fix up computers at work for people that HAVE installed the virus, that HAVE clicked the "yes save me from the nasty viruses that ad detected!!" and have installed all manner of horrendous shit, and I seriously have no idea how these people manage it.

      I suspect it is an incremental thing.
      Step one is install innocuous adware bar.
      Adware bar adware popup gets you to install less scrupulous (hard to imagine!) adware bar. Now you have 2 adware bars.
      Unscrupulous adware bar installs adware faux-virus-scanner.
      Faux-virus-scanner installs virus.
      call tech support.

      I sit there and scratch my head at how fucking horrible they have treated their computer.

    48. Re: Nosedive by Zorpheus · · Score: 2

      Apparently, contrary to all those science fiction stories, people in general really don't want videophones after all, even after they became practical. To my knowledge, only uber-geeks are using it, and only because they can.

      From my experience Italians use videophones (e.g. skype) all the time. Guess they prefer to communicate with their hands.

    49. Re: Nosedive by werepants · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it was a total pain, although apparently a solution is being developed.

    50. Re: Nosedive by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      what incompatibilities were you finding with your iphone 4. it's true that the hardware has developed rapidly. but that's hardly the fault of the OS. it sounds to me like you upgraded to an iphone 6 because you wanted it.

      I upgraded one of my computers to Yosemite from Mavericks, which broke compatibility for Numbers spreadsheets. Yosemite uses iCloud Drive, which wasn't supported by the previous version of Numbers. So that meant that I could no longer share iWork docs between my iPhone & my iMac or MacBook Pro, since iCloud Drive requires iOS 8, which doesn't support the iPhone 4. Of course, I wasn't aware that would happen, otherwise I might not have taken the plunge. There were a few other reasons I upgraded as well, but iTunes family sharing is the only other one I can think of at the moment.

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      Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
    51. Re: Nosedive by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I know people that can count on one hand how many phone calls they make in a month from their smartphones...

      I'm one of those! I just looked at my call log. In December, I placed a total of three calls from my cell phone.

    52. Re: Nosedive by mccalli · · Score: 3, Informative

      sudo nvram boot-args=debug=0x10

    53. Re: Nosedive by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      The mid 2011 model MacBookAir 11 could be configured with either 2 or 4 GB of Ram. And... that's it. No user serviceable parts inside.

      In 2012, people who wished to dally with obsolescence were force to get at least 4 GB-- 8GB was a build to order option.

    54. Re: Nosedive by I4ko · · Score: 1

      Can't agree more. Just over the weekend I send Apple a feedback because of the ridiculous memory use of Safari in Yosemite. When they asked me to summarize the problem in one sentence (after giving the details) I wrote: "Crappy developers", and as a Product Manager I know better than to blame developers, but this time it is the architecture that is borked and developers who think RAM is limitless.

    55. Re: Nosedive by jason8 · · Score: 2

      Guess they prefer to communicate with their hands.

      As I understand it, this is why Terminator X prefers to use video chat.

    56. Re: Nosedive by PRMan · · Score: 1

      My daughter tried to get me to help her put music on her phone. I tried but I couldn't get it synced up (something about Apple IDs). After an hour, I told her to take it to the Apple store. The rest of the Androids in the house took 5 minutes to load all our music.

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      Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
    57. Re: Nosedive by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Yeah; I don't tend to go for iBooks or MacBooks, but the one I'm referring to was a 2010 MacBook. Not mine, and the owner isn't likely to be able to navigate OWC, get the RAM and install it themselves. Looks like OWC has 8GB for just under $100, which is reasonable. I may even suggest the upgrade if they run into further issues that "upgrading" from Safari to Chrome didn't fix.

    58. Re: Nosedive by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      I don't really understand posts like this.

      Ok - I have a music player in my pocket. Under the hood I have no doubt that its operating system knows all about 'files and folders'. I happen to know all about them too, I have countless thousands on my computer to worry about.

      I don't miss them on my device. I can't stand the damn things. Folders within folders within folders. I just want a good database-like filesystem that works by automatically tagging things. But that's a whole other story.

      Anyway:

      I also have thousands upon thousands of MP3 files on my computer - but they do not belong in 'files and folders'. Because it makes no sense whatsoever to organise them in this way. Instead, most computer systems today come with software that organises your music collection for you. Windows has some, Linux has many, and OSX has one too.

      I assume from your post that you too, like any sensible person, has their MP3 collection organised in this software. So now, you plug in your iphone. And either;

      1) Tick 'sync my music' - all the music is copied onto the device. Done.
      2) Likely it won't fit though, in which case just drag the music you want from your library onto the device. Also done.
      3) If you prefer, you can tick 'sync my music', and then select particular artists or albums or whatever and tick those instead of the 'entire library' option.

      How did you spend an hour fucking about with that? I sincerely don't mean any disrespect - I'm just interested in how none of the three above options matched your use case.

      I don't know - it's never something I've had any trouble with. You can even set up your iphone to sync over wifi, and you don't even have to plug it into USB anymore - other than to charge it. You can buy music on your phone, and lo-and-behold it downloads onto your PC - and vice-versa too. The only thing you can't easily do, is get music *off* the phone. This is almost certainly a concession to the music labels, but I concede that it is a bit annoying. I even went as far as to write some software to do bi-directional syncing of music on an iPod, but in the end it was just easier to have a single music library and stop being so OCD about the whole thing.

    59. Re: Nosedive by phorm · · Score: 1

      Or mount the phone in windows and copy over. IIRC it was a bit more of a PITA to mount in Linux depending on the Android model, but I just generally pop the SDHC card and copy it via USB card-reader.

    60. Re: Nosedive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "I had exactly the opposite problem with Android - getting music on to my S3 was a nightmare; after wasting many hours fighting with it, I finally had to buy software to sync over the air, and that never worked all that well..."

      I have the S3. Copied all my music to a 64gb card and popped it in, with no issues. My music goes everywhere with me, played through bluetooth, aux jack or cassette adaptor.

      You know, putting music on (and taking off) my iPhone (and iPods before that) has always been exactly that easy for me. I do have music from my ripped CDs, iTunes, Amazon and other stores, and some I downloaded. They're all there (except the ones I don't want), no problems. iTunes does have quirks, but it also has several million users filling up message boards with "how to"s.

      Seriously, I don't know what the fuck takes an hour for people to read a help file and copy their files to a specific directory, only to fail and say "I should have gotten a Samsung." I have no doubt these are the same idiots getting surprised by Facebook sharing their information every other week. "Omg I didn't make my profile public!" Yes you did idiot, when you clicked "agree" to that TOU update you didn't read, again.

      So, here are universal instructions for everybody else to get music on any music player.
      1. Read the instructions
      2. Read the instructions, since we both know you already skipped step #1.
      3. Read the instructions, since we both know the shame you felt after reading step #2 wasn't sufficient to get you to do more than glance back again.
      4. Follow the instructions. No, you don't know a shortcut.
      5. Choose the music you want. Sorry, mindreading is not available yet.
      6. Enjoy.

    61. Re: Nosedive by Amtrak · · Score: 1, Informative

      My kid only makes a phone call when she's mad about something. Because, apparently, text messaging isn't loud enough. Or something.

      So I had this explained to me by my much younger brother. He said that people his age (18) don't like making phone calls because they see it as intruding on the receiving parties time by forcing them to answer now. Where as a text message is more of an answer when you can affair. This makes total sense with your kid calling you when mad. Because he/she is mad calling you is there way of inconveniencing you with there anger just like an angry child might throw a toy at you.

    62. Re: Nosedive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly. That is safe computing. I'd like to tattoo what you wrote on some of my customers' chests, backwards so they could read it in the mirror every morning.

      "Safe computing", as you alluded, doesn't mean never surf the web and never use freeware, it means use half a brain and learn to recognize the things you shouldn't click on. (And the check boxes you need to uncheck. I've lost count of the amount of times I've uninstalled McAfee Free Complainer and Rocket Annoying Adware from users' machines.)

      My mother in law, who's in her seventies, practices safe computing, does quite a bit of stuff on the computer, and has only caught a virus once (one of those "your computer is infected" popups) and that was when she loaned the machine to her nephew. (Which she does not do anymore.)

      On the other hand, my wife's best friend's machine gets infested on a regular basis, not just one or two viruses, but also three to six adwares and a bunch of useless and annoying "add-ons" and in record time -- two to three months from the last time I cleaned it, and it's totally infested again.

      So... for mother-in-law, when she has a problem I take it seriously and make a good faith effort to find and correct the root cause without making major changes to her machine. Because she deserves it. For wife's friend, I pull her photos and documents onto a thumb drive and do a recovery install. Your apps? Sorry. Reinstall them. Don't want to have to do that every other month? Learn safe computing.

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    63. Re: Nosedive by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out (for my wife) what magical, unintuitive process will get all her epubs and mkv files to open on her iPad Air 2. It's a royal clusterfucking pain. We used to have an arcane process but that broke with the latest itunes.

      At least this pain is bringing home the realization that Apple isn't easy to use, doesn't just work, and can't be trusted for pretty much anything.

      Really? For your MKV files, load them into the storage directory of the player that can play them through iTunes. For epubs, you can load them into the the storage folder for iBooks. Google it.

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      Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
    64. Re: Nosedive by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      Why should old apps break in the new OS?

      Why shouldn't apps with bugs in them break in a new OS?

      They should -- but since when did the app control mouse placement? That's an OS function, and Apple has obviously changed something about how pointer positioning is sent back to the application stack in Yosemite. As I haven't seen any dev notes on this, it's Apple's bug, until they fix it or document how one of the most popular DTP apps out there is broken. After all, Apple knows what they changed; they should be able to point that out. Adobe neither knows nor cares what Apple changed (they're more than happy to use it to force upgrades to Creative Cloud).

    65. Re: Nosedive by azav · · Score: 2

      And the UI now looks like ass. Animated everything. Glaring colors. It's pretty terrible.

      I hate what the Mac and iOS operating systems have become.

      Jony Ive should never be allowed to touch a user interface ever again.

      --
      - Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
    66. Re: Nosedive by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Well yes a major feature upgrade introduced many many more bugs. Which was my point. That after that Apple could concentrate on smaller features and less bugs for a while.

    67. Re: Nosedive by Skater · · Score: 1

      Shit - that totally did it! It's now about 2 seconds to display a picture! MUCH better. THANK YOU AC!

    68. Re: Nosedive by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      you can't run a version of Safari on 10.6.x that will actually load content on sites like Youtube).

      That is nonsense.
      My Mac running 10.6.8 shows "content" from youtube just fine ... why should it not?

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    69. Re: Nosedive by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, my...not complaint, because I don't use it, but point of derision is iTunes' bloat and feature creep. The name makes it that much more ridiculous.

      Apple is supposed to be about stuff that Just Works. Simple, intuitive. Great for grandma! Well we've bought grandma a Mac, an iPhone, and an AppleTV because we're tired of fixing her windows crap and we want everything to Just Work for her.

      Okay Grandma, you've got music on your computer you want to stream through the AppleTV. Where do you go?

      "Is there an iAppleTV program?"

      Nope, you go through iTunes.

      "Well I guess that makes sense..."

      Okay Grandma, now you want to watch a movie on your TV. Where to?

      "Ummmm...iMovie, I guess?"

      Nope, iTunes! Streams everything. Now what if you want photos to show up there so you can show the ladies from bridge club the pictures you daughter emailed you from her trip to Wisconsin?

      "iTunes, right?!"

      Of course not! iPhoto does pictures!

      "Oh. So I pick my pictures on iPhoto and they show up on the TV?"

      Once you share them in iTunes, naturally!

      "... Naturally."

      Okay now let's get your phone synced up. Let's say you want to sync your Michael Buble playlist to your phone. Where do you think you go?

      "Ummmm...is there an i-iPhone program? Or iSync?"

      Nope, iTunes!

      "Well that makes sense. Syncing music."

      Of course! Now let's get you some apps! To the App Store!

      "Oh, you mean this button on the bottom of the screen that says 'App Store?' I'm getting the hang of this!"

      No, no silly granny! You can't buy iPhone apps from the App Store! You need to go to the App Store! In iTunes!

      "... Of course. But what about my address book so I can send you a check for $12 on your birthday? Do I put that on my phone from Contacts?"

      Of course not! iTunes!

      "So...mail?"

      iTunes!

      "Okay, I get it. iTunes for everything."

      Now let's get those pictures you snapped of your granddaughter off your phone! Where to?

      "iTunes?"

      Of course not! It's iPhoto for that!

      "Naturally. Now, I also took a video. So I get that from iMovie?"

      Nope, guess again!

      "iTunes, then?"

      Silly Granny! iPhoto gets videos off your phone!

      "Okay, got it. iPhoto for photos and videos. So I also have this copy of Boynton Beach Memoirs I torrented off Pirate Bay (granny is a leet h4xx0r it seems). So I put that on the phone through iPhoto?"

      Ugh, of course not! If you want to put videos ON your phone, you use iTunes!

      "...Fuck it. Fuck all this shit. Fuck you, fuck Steve Jobs, fuck it all. I want a pen, a rotary phone, and a phonograph."

      And this is the glue that holds together the Apple ecosystem. Phone to Mac? iTunes. Mac to AppleTV? iTunes. Unless unless unless... It doesn't Just Work. It's complicated and stupid.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    70. Re: Nosedive by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      You quoted the footnote marker, but not the footnote. Go back and read it.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    71. Re: Nosedive by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The corporate culture trickles down from the top. Tim Cook is a pencil pusher, not an engineer. Leading by example, every Apple employee becomes a paper pusher and engineering slows to a stop. Couple this with the normal work ethic degeneration in a large, financially comfortable organization and you have a perfect storm of attitude rot. Talented engineers get sick of it fast and leave for higher salaries or smaller organizations with higher career potential, leaving the beta facetimers behind to promulgate the usual organization idiocy. You see this at every big tech company: IBM, Intel, Cisco, Microsoft, Google, Samsung, it starts to seem like an inviolate principle of corporate evolution, like the death from inside out that always fells a mature forest, making way for the next crop. Apple just has this sickness worse than the rest because of the guy at the top.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    72. Re: Nosedive by theedgeofoblivious · · Score: 1

      In Mission Control in System Preferences you can uncheck "Group windows by application" to get Exposé functionality back. It's not that I disagree with anything you've mentioned, because I don't think that should be checked by default, but I thought it should be mentioned so that other Mac users can see it.

    73. Re: Nosedive by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Well.... that's a reasonably strange argument. I mean, if she wants a pen, rotary phone and a phonograph then I don't see how she's going to be happy with a computer and a smartphone of any ilk. Maybe a Nokia 1100, a notebook and a walkman might be better. Personally I rather think that it is.

      But anyway.

      You almost make a fair point about iPhoto being the tool to take photos off the phone, whereas putting them on is done through itunes. Except that no-one puts photos on their phone in this way - you just use photostreams and icloud. The syncing of photos using itunes only remains in itunes so that it can continue to support the ipod classic.

      I don't wish to suggest that the way in which functionality is distributed between some of these applications is perfect - but I really don't believe it's as bad as you say. For instance, you used your iphone to take some photos. If icloud is set up at both ends, then the photos are already on the mac, so there's nothing to do. If you plug in your iphone and there's new photos on it, then iphoto just pops up for you, so that's not so hard either. In fact, it's exactly the same as if you plugged in your digital camera - so it doesn't seem all that bad.

      Regarding apps, you don't buy apps for your iphone through itunes. I mean, you can, but since we're discussing your grandmother's use of the device, wouldn't it be simpler for her to buy the app directly on the phone? Isn't that what you do on an Android device?

      And contacts. You sync your contacts using icloud, and they don't have to be transferred - it all just happens for you in the background. I'm sure Android does the same thing too. Syncing contacts has been removed from itunes (not sure when), so this is the only way to do it.

      Fair's fair though - putting videos that you didn't buy through itunes (yes, I know, it's called itunes and it does more things that just tunes. I get it. But I'm sure you're not just hating on the name, right?) on the phone is a bit of a pain. They have to be properly encoded, and then you have to import them into itunes - annoying because who uses itunes to watch torrented content? - and thence drag them onto the device.

      Of course, your grandmother the leet haxxor would probably install something like Extreme Player HD (how's that for a silly name...) and download them into her phone from an SMB share.

    74. Re: Nosedive by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Apparently, contrary to all those science fiction stories, people in general really don't want videophones after all, even after they became practical. To my knowledge, only uber-geeks are using it, and only because they can.

      Phone calls period are barely used. People prefer asynchronous communication.

      But video chat obviously has two big fans:
      1) People showing someone something (real estate, christmas presents, things in a store, etc.)
      2) Long distance romantic partners.

      The advantages are pretty obvious for both use cases. :D

    75. Re: Nosedive by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Laziness, money and time needed to learn a new ecosystem. People are far more willing to put up with suck than actively change it. That's why we still have our current president and just now changed congress.

    76. Re: Nosedive by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I know both 62-year-old grandmothers and 10-year-olds who use Skype regularly (and not just that one pair). Not frequently, but regularly. Hardly ubergeeks, these people can't download pictures from a digital camera. Skype is also making inroads with people who call internationally. They start using Skype for voice because it's cheaper than an international calling plan plus fees, then they end up trying out the video feature since it's right there.

    77. Re: Nosedive by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      What was that Shakespeare quote, "A piece of crap by any other name..."? I don't need my media player installing auto-starting services that run with elevated privileges. That's a page right out of MS' "run everything as admin" book from 10 years ago. Even if there is a feature that does need admin privileges (haven't heard one yet), those things need to be done as plugins/components that can be disabled so the 80% of users that don't need it don't have to run it. Even just as a music player, iTunes is way behind on feature parity with foobar2000.

    78. Re: Nosedive by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Maybe. I've been reading the source code put out by Apple for over a decade now, and I would say the quality has peaked and gone into a decline. That's my personal opinion from reading a lot of it.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    79. Re: Nosedive by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I should add to that last comment: at the same time I haven't seen a particular increase in bugs, it seems about the same level of bugginess. I expect eventually if the drop in code quality continues, the number of bugs will increase.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    80. Re: Nosedive by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      I don't need my media player installing auto-starting services that run with elevated privileges

      Something it does only under Windows, and about which I have no opinion. Does it really run with elevated privileges?

      iTunes is way behind on feature parity with foobar2000.

      Now, now - we can't have it both ways. Which is it, is iTunes bloated - or does it suffer from lack of features?

    81. Re: Nosedive by rwven · · Score: 1

      Ouch. Overestimating my age by a good amount there. ;-)

    82. Re: Nosedive by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      From the link he posted:
      sudo nvram boot-args="debug=0x10"

    83. Re: Nosedive by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Hope you still see this: sudo nvram boot-args=debug=0x10

    84. Re: Nosedive by rfengr · · Score: 1

      My Apple TV 3rd gen disconnects permanently from iTunes as soon as it goes to sleep, and requires a reboot to reconnect. It's been doing this for 2 years, irrespective of software updates on all devices. I'm using Ethernet, and I assume Apple only gives a shit about WiFi, and refuses to fix it. Bought a Amazin Fire and put on XMBC, can stream MKV directly off the NAS. Much nicer. Fuck Apple.

    85. Re: Nosedive by neoform · · Score: 1

      10.4 was a lot more usable than 10.1 for a simple reason: All versions of OSX prior to 10.4 were unsuable.

      I was a mac user all through the 90s (and even a bit of the 80s). When OSX came out, I actually switched to windows because I hated OSX 10.0 through 10.3.

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    86. Re: Nosedive by neoform · · Score: 1

      10.0 also lacked software and had almost none of the useful features available to MacOS9, it was essentially an unsuable system that ran slow and required users to use Rosetta (system emulator) to do anything useful.

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    87. Re: Nosedive by sribe · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it was a total pain, although apparently a solution is being developed.

      Too bad the solution (it has already been developed) works as poorly as everything else Apple does with cloud-based services and synching.

    88. Re: Nosedive by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1

      iMessage CAN use SMS, but doesn't do so for fellow iMessage users, by default. Once a phone number gets registered as an iMessage user, it stays in there until it is manually deregistered.

      As someone who has done customer care for a US cellular provider, I can tell you that while this is trivial for anyone technically inclined, for the average "I just want it to work" individual, it's mystifying enough that I've had frustrated callers declare that they're just going to switch back to their iPhone, even as I try to tell them how to fix the problem.

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      My sig can beat up your sig.
    89. Re: Nosedive by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      When OSX came out, I actually switched to windows because I hated OSX 10.0 through 10.3.

      What exactly do you want me to say, that you have weird taste?

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    90. Re: Nosedive by neoform · · Score: 1

      Taste? In order to do anything in 10.0 you needed to run OS9 emulation via rosetta. What's the point of OSX if everything I need only runs in OS9?

      Besides 10.0 being incredibly slow compared to OS9, it also had almost no capabilities. IMO 10.0 was an alpha release, 10.1 was beta and 10.2 was an RC. 10.3 was the actual release.

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    91. Re: Nosedive by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Well, I wish Rosetta were still working.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    92. Re:Nosedive by Methadras · · Score: 1

      Well, wait a minute. I'm surprised actually. I thought iOS and OS10 were supposed to be great OS's. So what is the actual problem? Is it bugs? Is it UX/UI? Can anyone clarify?

    93. Re: Nosedive by geekvoodoo · · Score: 1

      Except, apparently, Arment does not agree with his own post. Read his followup post—link at my comment below.

    94. Re: Nosedive by Shadowkahn · · Score: 1

      This would explain why the Dominos app now lets you order via voice. On your phone.

      It doesn't just call up the local Dominos for you. It actually has you talking to a Nuance system.

      So people are downloading an app on their phones that lets them voice order in order to avoid voice ordering..

      And at least one news outlet, USA Today, points out that Dominos is the first pizza joint to offer a voice ordering app, without pointing out that we don't need an app to voice-order pizza and yet somehow we have been ordering pizza by voice routinely since the early '60's.

    95. Re: Nosedive by Miguelito · · Score: 1

      Huh.. I've got 2 on wired ethernet and one wifi and none of them do this.

      I still compress (with very little loss in quality) my stuff using handbrake else my library would likely be more like 50+TB vs the 6.x TB it is now.

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    96. Re: Nosedive by RandomAdam · · Score: 1

      3) long distance grandparents looking at newly arrived offspring.

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      @Random_Adam

      Sometimes a sig doesn't have to be funny!!
    97. Re: Nosedive by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      I wholeheartedly agree with you.

      Expose can be changed though. System Preferences > Mission Control > uncheck "Group Windows By Application".

      Spent a long time searching for this, and it was right in front of my nose (maybe they didn't have it in mavericks???) Thank goodness for this. You're 100% correct--expose is worthless without this. Figured you missed it as well and thought it would help.

    98. Re: Nosedive by LeapingQuince · · Score: 1

      I thought it was just me getting older and progressively less satisfied with Apple's focus on phones and tablets. A while back I was a big promoter of desktop Macs, but it's obviously not a priority for them anymore. Why does software update keep pushing iTunes updates on me? Why do I have to keep disabling things to get my Mac to run better (Spotlight, gamed) for crap I never asked for? If I don't want to use iCloud, stop bugging me about it! The whole reason I went with OSX originally was because I didn't want to tinker with the OS unless I felt like it.

    99. Re: Nosedive by uglyduckling · · Score: 1
      Okay Grandma, you've got music on your computer you want to stream through the AppleTV. Where do you go?

      "Is there an iAppleTV program?"

      Nope, you go through iTunes.

      Nope, you use the Apple TV, everything in your iTunes Library automagically appears on your Apple TV, and you use the Apple TV interface. Incidentally, if you do like to stream the other way, whichever programme you've used to store/catalogue your files will be where you have to go to initiate the streaming, that's not unique to Apple. There's no AndroidBox or GoogleTV program either.

      Of course not! iPhoto does pictures!

      Same as every other phone - usually photos and videos are synced using a photo program, or a dedicated photo syncing tool without any editing capabilities

      "Oh. So I pick my pictures on iPhoto and they show up on the TV?"

      Once you share them in iTunes, naturally!

      iTunes does not handle photo sharing, this is where you reveal that you don't know what you're talking about and have made up a load of bullshit. Photos taken on an iPhone can be synced with iCloud and automatically appear on Apple TV, slideshows can be done directly from an iPhone or from iPhoto itself.

      Okay now let's get your phone synced up. Let's say you want to sync your Michael Buble playlist to your phone. Where do you think you go?

      "Ummmm...is there an i-iPhone program? Or iSync?"

      Nope, iTunes!

      "Well that makes sense. Syncing music."

      Of course! Now let's get you some apps! To the App Store!

      "Oh, you mean this button on the bottom of the screen that says 'App Store?' I'm getting the hang of this!"

      No, no silly granny! You can't buy iPhone apps from the App Store! You need to go to the App Store! In iTunes!

      Or just buy them straight on the iPhone like someone who's not retarded

      "... Of course. But what about my address book so I can send you a check for $12 on your birthday? Do I put that on my phone from Contacts?"

      Of course not! iTunes

      No, you use contacts

      "So...mail?"

      iTunes!

      no.

      "Okay, I get it. iTunes for everything."

      No, iTunes for music and movies, and syncing to your phone IF you haven't switched to using wifi syncing or cloud based syncing like everyone else did 2 years ago

      Now let's get those pictures you snapped of your granddaughter off your phone! Where to?

      "iTunes?"

      Of course not! It's iPhoto for that!

      You already did that

      "Naturally. Now, I also took a video. So I get that from iMovie?"

      Nope, guess again!

      "iTunes, then?"

      Silly Granny! iPhoto gets videos off your phone!

      Same as every other phone...

      "Okay, got it. iPhoto for photos and videos. So I also have this copy of Boynton Beach Memoirs I torrented off Pirate Bay (granny is a leet h4xx0r it seems). So I put that on the phone through iPhoto?"

      Your Grandma uses bit torrent but is so demented she can't figure out the rest of the stuff for herself? Maybe you've been confusing her by all the bullshit you made up

      Ugh, of course not! If you want to put videos ON your phone, you use iTunes!

      "...Fuck it. Fuck all this shit. Fuck you, fuck Steve Jobs, fuck it all. I want a pen, a rotary phone, and a phonograph."

      And this is the glue that holds together the Apple ecosystem. Phone to Mac? iTunes. Mac to AppleTV? iTunes. Unless unless unless... It doesn't Just Work. It's complicated and stupid.

      No, it's simple. You're stupid

    100. Re: Nosedive by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      "Naturally. Now, I also took a video. So I get that from iMovie?"

      Yes, you do. And if iMovie is open when you plug in any device with video stored on it, it'll grab that for you and load it into iMovie. In fact, if you have iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes and Image Capture open, they'll ALL try to grab your media. So will Adobe Photo Downloader, and a number of other apps.

      Thing is, in all cases, you get prompted, so you don't have to initiate things, you just have to make the choices.

    101. Re: Nosedive by strikethree · · Score: 1

      And people ridicule me for staying on Snow Leopard.

      I am sorry but that was as far along the road as I was willing to go. Honestly, Tiger (IIRC) was the last improvement in overall speed and efficiency. Everything else slowed OS X down and then on Snow Leopard, they forced their store into the OS itself. Yuck.

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    102. Re: Nosedive by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, there are other reasons not to stay on Snow Leopard, wonderful OS though 10.6.7 is. There have been numerous security fixes (both types: data integrity and exploit fixes) since then -- but if you're happy re-compiling and backporting via Darwin, you should be able to manage Just remember, for example, to backport the latest nfsd fix, or you're in for a world of hurt.

      Might be time for someone to put together a backporting site for 10.6 similar to what happened for XP a number of years ago.

  2. Any actual examples? by Guspaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He makes the claim that their software quality has taken a nosedive, that they're introducing tons of bugs and functional regressions, but he doesn't give a single example of any of that. He just makes the unsubstantiated claim.

    1. Re:Any actual examples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have a bug. Whenever I try to stream anything post ios8.0 update the stream cuts out anywhere from 5-25 minutes later and I have to reboot the phone. Still hasn't been fixed.

    2. Re:Any actual examples? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      OK, I'll give you one.

      I updated my iPod touch a few months ago. It originally came with iOS 7.x, and I got the new hotness of iOS 8.x. Two of my apps stopped working. Some stuff got slower. And I got annoyed.

      I wish I'd left the fscking thing the way it shipped. Because, quite frankly, there was no net benefit in the upgrade, and some net losses in functionality.

      They may think it's OK to upgrade the software until the device breaks. But for what it costs, I expect the device to last several years. I will probably never apply another Apple update to it again.

      iTunes on Windows has also gone downhill over the last few years, and they've completely abandoned Safari on Windows.

      So, yes, I'm afraid as a consumer I'm increasingly of the opinion that their software quality is going the wrong direction in favor of putting out the new shiny and expecting us to buy it.

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    3. Re:Any actual examples? by retroworks · · Score: 2

      He gives links to other people's cited examples, states that iOS is still better than Windows or Linux. I think his post is quite fair, or at least more fair than "tons of bugs" would suggest he is being. His thesis is that an "annual" new release is unnecessary and follows a marketing logic rather than an internally software-driven update, and suggests that if that is true, that it would explain the increase of complaints he links to.

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    4. Re:Any actual examples? by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      iTunes stopped syncing with devices years ago. It just ... doesn't work. It won't copy new tracks over, instead just sitting at "Waiting for items to copy" or some BS like that.

      This isn't just me. This is everyone in my family, quite a few people on Facebook when I went there to ask for help, and I recall Adam Savage tweeting about something like that. It's basically impossible to get new music off of iTunes and onto an iDevice and has been for several years now. (There is a solution: factory reset the iDevice and copy everything over again in its entirety. The last time I did that metadata copied over wrong so tracks with one name would actually play an entirely different track. At that point I gave up.)

      If I were more cynical I'd think that was the point (force everyone to buy off the iTMS) but I think instead the article is correct: Apple just doesn't care to fix very common bugs.

      Here's another one everyone who's had to touch a Mac in the past five years will be very familiar with: SLEEP_WAKE_FAILURE.

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    5. Re:Any actual examples? by geoskd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He makes the claim that their software quality has taken a nosedive, that they're introducing tons of bugs and functional regressions, but he doesn't give a single example of any of that. He just makes the unsubstantiated claim.

      across 4 different iPhones and three PC's, I have never once had an iOS update that didnâ(TM)t brick the phone. For the last two, I made the appointment at the Apple store before I attempted the update. The last one was done in the apple store with the whole store watching. Bricked it so badly that the phone had to be replaced under warranty.

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    6. Re:Any actual examples? by TWX · · Score: 2

      I've got another one that a coworker told me about this morning- some new wireless device from Apple did not get along with the new Macintosh running the latest version of OSX. Older Apples running older OSX had no problems. He did a factory-reload on the Mac, still no workie. Finally blew it away with a reload sourced from Apple via the Internet, that made it work.

      It's awfully bad form for a company that likes to tout how all of its stuff in a given generation works together when that equipment doesn't actually get along without spending several hours to make changes so that it does.

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    7. Re:Any actual examples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What if you are holding it wrong? And have you tried to buy a new Apple device, perhaps it has the bug fixed?

    8. Re:Any actual examples? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      The cited examples that he gives lead to a 404 error, so that's not really helping his point.

    9. Re:Any actual examples? by carou · · Score: 1

      To be fair, he's written and podcasted (atp.fm) about a bunch of examples in the last few months. They aren't directly referenced in this article, but I don't think he would necessarily have expected it to be picked up on slashdot in isolation. Things that come to mind include:

        * iWork wasn't updated for years, then when a new version was released it seemed like a rush job as it was missing many features from previous versions. Some (not all) have been added back since, but the latest update removes some backward compatibility capability - it no longer can read some files which the previous version could. (Since the old version may at some point stop working on new OS versions, this is Apple saying to its customers "we don't care about your data, and you shouldn't trust us with it").

        * The iOS update which stopped some users from making phone calls.

        * The App store provides almost useless search results

        * Some kind of iOS API bug to do with the parseing of resources by the App store caused his app Overcast to run as iPad-native, when it wasn't intended (or tested) to be.

    10. Re:Any actual examples? by tysonedwards · · Score: 2

      Okay, I'll take the bait... The 10.10.2 developer preview... 3 separate updates spanning over a month and a half where one couldn't actually let their computer go to sleep, including simply *close the screen on a laptop* and then *open said laptop* without hard booting said machine as a regression was introduced preventing Wake from Sleep.

      Yes, it wasn't a *public* release, but it was however pushed automatically onto developers who didn't explicitly uncheck "Show Pre-Release Updates" following the 10.10 GM1 -> Final release, of which according to the forums many were stung by because they actually needed to *test* their software to find out what their users would be experiencing in the wild.

      Or how about rendering issues in same 10.10.2 developer preview that prevented apps like Safari, or Pages from being usable on Retina displays as one was unable to actually *read* said content within the windows?

      Or Removing API Calls in a Point release just because, breaking Chrome and a bunch of other apps, of which Apple's incessant "We'll never tell! You'll find out when it ships!" mentality means that stuff like said "APIs Disappearing" means that you never know for sure whether it's a bug that they'll sort out before the next update or whether they actually meant to remove a bunch of API Calls without telling a soul and it not appearing in a single doc that they're now gone and you should plan as such.

      The only "resolution" to these considerations is to back up your computer and re-install.

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    11. Re:Any actual examples? by Dimwit · · Score: 1

      There was the botched iOS 8 update that broke phones' data connectivity, and required lots of phones to require reinstallation via iTunes. Then the fix they released was broken and they needed to release a fix for the fix. There might have been a third fix, I can't remember.

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    12. Re:Any actual examples? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I've got one, FWIW. I have always been able to VNC instantaneously from my iMac to my wife'a Mac Mini ("Screen sharing"). The latest two OS X releases give me the nice feature of being able to log into the Mini as any user, rather than just share the current screen, but it now takes several minutes for the iMac to find the Mini, though both are running the latest Yosemite release. This is a known problem, with a lot of users grousing about it on forums, but no word from Apple so far.

    13. Re:Any actual examples? by RingDev · · Score: 4, Funny

      "iTunes on Windows has also gone downhill over the last few years, and they've completely abandoned Safari on Windows."

      Which is to say that it has fallen from the top of the turd pile to somewhere close to the bottom.

      -Rick

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    14. Re:Any actual examples? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      He makes the claim that their software quality has taken a nosedive, that they're introducing tons of bugs and functional regressions, but he doesn't give a single example of any of that. He just makes the unsubstantiated claim.

      I can give you two examples from just the past day that I've had to deal with. Apple has constantly made iTunes less functional with each new release. If you want to create a new playlist, you first have to switch over to playlists from "My Music" and then view by song if you want to see your list of songs. They are listed by album by default, so you need to make 2 additional steps to find songs you'd like to add. Not a huge deal, but still less functional than it used to be. The second, and more annoying change is to mail. I used to be able to click on an e-mail message and then click on the header to sort by sender, and the message would still be highlighted, and all messages from the sender would be sorted by date. Now if I do that, my mail gets sorted by sender, BUT the mail I highlighted is no longer selected, and I have to scroll down to find it. I have thousands of messages in my inbox, so this is a major pain in the neck. I can't imagine why they would remove this functionality, but it's just another instance of Apple's software getting worse instead of better.

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    15. Re:Any actual examples? by ripvlan · · Score: 2

      Wait - iTunes used to sync properly for you? man.... it has never worked for me.

      I'm in the large camp of those who see their devices appear in iTunes and then immediately disappear with a message "this device no longer exists or is offline" (WiFi sync). And this has happened for years.

      Then again - iTunes has never been known for its quality.

      iOS on the other hand....I have been using since v6 and am no longer satisfied with it's quality, at least on older devices. My iPad "3" is now miserable with all kinds of strange issues occurring (I can't watch a streaming movie from iTunes - it stutters and freezes... but downloading same works fine). My iPhone "5" has intermittent problems where it loses network "data" connections and all apps fail to make network connections. Rebooting the phone is the only solution.

      Granted each version of iOS has had problems. However the impact has been low. And I for one don't see what the wonderful features of iOS8 are. My wife still has iOS 7 on her mini and frankly I can't tell the difference between our iPads from a functional point of view. Although her's works better.

      Maybe they have switched to "get it out there first" since Android is a few steps ahead of them these days. Or stop providing iOS updates for old devices.

    16. Re:Any actual examples? by khr · · Score: 2

      The cited examples that he gives lead to a 404 error, so that's not really helping his point.

      It would if it was hosted on a Mac OS X server somewhere...

    17. Re:Any actual examples? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      iTunes stopped syncing with devices years ago. It just ... doesn't work. It won't copy new tracks over, instead just sitting at "Waiting for items to copy" or some BS like that.

      That's very odd. I have a 1st gen iPod Touch (over 7 years old now), and it syncs beautifully. How old are the devices you're trying to sync?

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    18. Re:Any actual examples? by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      iTunes on Windows has also gone downhill over the last few years

      iTunes for Windows has always been a bloated pig for what it does.

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    19. Re:Any actual examples? by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      he doesn't give a single example of any of that. He just makes the unsubstantiated claim.

      Because the point of the blog post wasn't to prove that this was the case, but to offer an opinion on how bad it's gotten and why it may be happening. His audience is very familiar with Apple gear, spelling everything out from first principles is unnecessary and a distraction from the meat of the article. Know your audience.

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    20. Re:Any actual examples? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I will say that I have only dealt with Apple documentation a handful of times, but it seemed substantially worse and more arcane than MSDN.

    21. Re:Any actual examples? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Two of my apps stopped working.

      This is the most annoying thing ever. Sure, the updates are free......but you pay for it in needing to re-buy software you already had (if you can even buy it).
      Every time there's a mac update, I wonder what is going to break.

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    22. Re:Any actual examples? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      He makes the claim that their software quality has taken a nosedive, that they're introducing tons of bugs and functional regressions, but he doesn't give a single example of any of that.

      Well. iTunes is a total cluster fuck. It doesn't get better. It just gets different in annoying and bizarre new ways.

      For example, i've got an Alice Cooper track. Its mis-capitalized as Alice COOPER. No problem right... right click "Get Info".

      A dialog box that violates every standard appears, but I shrug that off and move on. I click on the artist name and it turns into an edit/dropdown control of some sort. I type A-l-i and the dropdown floods with suggestions. ...
      Alice COOPER
      Alice in Chains
      Alicia Keys
      Alien Vampires ...

      I keep typing ... A-l-i-c-e- -C-o...

      As soon as I type the first 'o', itunes suggests "Alice COOPER", and autocompletes what I'm typing; and it helpfully capitalizes the 'o' I just typed too. I literally could not find any way to get itunes to accept "Alice Cooper" into the box via the keyboard. I resorted to typing Alice Cooper in notepad, and using paste in iTunes as the ONLY way to fix the artist name.

      A few versions back that dialog box worked just fine.

      That's just one tiny example that represents an entire CLASS of grief I have with apple software these days. I run into the same sorts of grief all over the place.

      Even clippy was less annoying... at least it asked if you wanted help, and you say no, and you could even turn it off. Apple now just assumes you need help, won't let you say no or turn it off, and won't even let you fix its incorrect guesses. UX idiocy.

    23. Re:Any actual examples? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sorry that this is the first time that you have ever upgraded an operating system. it must be tough wading into an area that is brand new to you.
      1) when a new OS comes out, some apps designed for the old OS have problems. This works out over time as most apps are updated. Some old unsupported apps are left in the dust and no longer work under new OS versions. this has been true since DOS.
      2) while a new OS is often more efficient than the old OS in many ways, it can also be more resource intensive in some ways. On last gen hardware this can manifest itself as "some stuff got slower". This has been true since DOS.

      re iTunes it has allways been a shizzshow. I expect in 2015 Apple will announce that it is discontinuing iTunes in favor of bringing the iOS Music app to mac and win, the way it did the same thing with Photos. Also agreed with Safari on windows, which was always a shizzshow in its own right. There was never a big reason to choose safari over chrome on Win. also apple refused to use windows design schemes, so the app always looked fugly.

    24. Re:Any actual examples? by iONiUM · · Score: 2

      I can give another. In 2003 I bought my first Mac, an iBook G4. It came with OSX, and I had no problems setting it up or using it (no issues for the first month of usage).

      2 weeks ago, I bought a brand new Macbook Pro. During setup, I ran into a bug where the 'next' button disappeared entirely during apple ID "linking", and could not be finished. I had to force re-start the machine, and then skip that step. After setup, it became apparent that Yosemite did not ship with it (why?), so I had to upgrade. However, due to my faulty Apple ID setup the first time, it couldn't use the apple store to do it. I deleted all the iCloud users, and added a new one, but adding one doesn't make it primary (what the fuck?) so I had to delete it and re-add it a different way.

      Once I had Yosemite, my WiFi stopped working altogether. You can google about this issue, it's awful. Since there's no hard network jack on the pro, I can't get to the internet at all, which means I can't get a patch even if they release it.

      It's pretty terrible.

    25. Re:Any actual examples? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I haven't tried to sync using iTunes for years. with iTunes match all my songs are synced automatically. Any app purchases in iTunes are pushed to my iphone automagically. what reason is there to ask iTunes to sync?

    26. Re:Any actual examples? by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Absolutely ancient as far as Apple cares: my mom's iPhone 5S and my brother has an iPhone 6. Both of those fail to sync properly with the latest iTunes. Clearly my brother should have gotten the iPhone 6 Plus with extra bendy case, maybe that would work with the latest iTunes.

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    27. Re:Any actual examples? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I agree, apple's beta software has bugs! do they even know what beta software means? google has left products in public beta for years. that's the definition of beta!

      it was only recently that apple opened up DPs and public betas. maybe they shouldn't have done that, so people stop complaining?

    28. Re:Any actual examples? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Handoff is somewhat spotty but it works pretty well for me. What I really appreciate is being able to conduct a text conversations on both my iPhone (if I need to show what's going on outside) or my iMac (if I'm typing long messages).

    29. Re:Any actual examples? by technosaurus · · Score: 1

      The simple act of text input in IOS

      Problem 1
      1. type something not in the dictionary and hit space
      2. ... IOS miscorrects ... fine I'll just backspace and select my actual input. 3. I select my actual input
      4. IOS doesn't replace it with the original that was just selected, but the same crap it just did
      (not a problem in Android)

      Problem 2

      1. I don't notice this till later, because I expect sane behavior
      2. Fine only the 1st letter is wrong, I'll just put my cursor after it, backspace and correct.
      3. Cursor goes before or after the word or the whole word is selected
      4. Have to delete the whole word and retype it
      5. Be careful not to let it autocorrect or rinse and repeat
      (Android puts the cursor where you tell it ... maybe off a letter or so with fat fingers)

      Problem 3
      You have to basically learn morse code to be effective.
      Seriously the single physical button is a hindrance to adding usability features like convenient back, settings, home....
      I don't want to navigate through 6+ different screens to change the settings in the app I am currently using
      When an app opens another app and I want to get back to the original, IOS is useless and you have to manually navigate back.
      This all techically _works_, and users only have to learn 1 (shitty) way of doing things

      If you want a phone that _just_ works get an Apple.
      If you want stuff to work effectively and efficiently, get an Android

    30. Re:Any actual examples? by greg1104 · · Score: 1

      The rant by the lesser Wozniak is available on archive.org.

    31. Re:Any actual examples? by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      Right on. Where are my mod points when I need them.

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    32. Re:Any actual examples? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2

      It would if it was hosted on a Mac OS X server somewhere...

      A what?

    33. Re:Any actual examples? by Skater · · Score: 1

      I keep typing ... A-l-i-c-e- -C-o...

      As soon as I type the first 'o', itunes suggests "Alice COOPER", and autocompletes what I'm typing; and it helpfully capitalizes the 'o' I just typed too. I literally could not find any way to get itunes to accept "Alice Cooper" into the box via the keyboard. I resorted to typing Alice Cooper in notepad, and using paste in iTunes as the ONLY way to fix the artist name.

      A few versions back that dialog box worked just fine.

      That's just one tiny example that represents an entire CLASS of grief I have with apple software these days. I run into the same sorts of grief all over the place.

      Even clippy was less annoying... at least it asked if you wanted help, and you say no, and you could even turn it off. Apple now just assumes you need help, won't let you say no or turn it off, and won't even let you fix its incorrect guesses. UX idiocy.

      You know, I'm seeing that in Safari on my MB Pro. I have a home-brew photo database with a web front end, and for picture #1 I might type a caption like, "skater types on slashdot", then for the second picture which happens to be of me, I'll type in "skater". Then it fills in the "...types on slashdot" and I have to fight with it to keep that part away. I thought it was because my computer is running slowly and I was typing quickly, but it sounds exactly like what you're seeing.

    34. Re:Any actual examples? by PKFC · · Score: 1

      I'll add my example.

      iOS 8's GM added a bug for bluetooth handsfree to not work when no other beta version had this problem.

      What is the point of betas if you go and have a completely different product get released instead of the one that was tested?

    35. Re:Any actual examples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly surprised that anyone who posts on /. still has this problem. I've seen (& fixed) itunes device sync problems a few times & every time it boiled down to two issues:
      - corrupted media files (generally corrupt MP3 tags in ancient files downloaded from napster)
      - Itunes is overly sensitive to bad tags & it corrupts the iTunes song DBs.

      I use Mediamonkey to read the MP3 tags, mp3info to remove the tags from the files & then force Mediamonkey to write the tags back out to the files.

      Once the garbage tags are gone, iTunes syncs works.

      Posted as anon coward to preserve Mod points

    36. Re:Any actual examples? by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Given that they shared MP3s, it wouldn't surprise me.

      I was honestly unaware iTunes even looked at the ID3 tags. I thought it loaded the files once into the library, and once imported, used its own metadata database and completely ignored the MP3s except for decoding audio. So I'd never have thought to look for corrupt MP3 files.

      Not to mention that I've never come up with that solution in all my searching for why iTunes would be sitting at "copying items" indefinitely. I found a ton of people with the same issue, but no fixes.

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    37. Re:Any actual examples? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > I'm sorry that this is the first time that you have ever upgraded an operating system. it must be tough wading into an area that is brand new to you.

      What you have there is a great argument for NOT UPGRADING SO MUCH. It's true. Software "engineering" is anything but. If you fix a bug, you will likely create another (if not two). So the obvious thing is to avoid gratuitous upgrade cycles.

      In corporate IT management, this is pretty standard and pervasive.

      It's an idea that's even managed to catch on with consumer PC users.

      You've just made the guy's argument for him. Congrats.

      So slow the beast down and actually treat users of old kit like they are valued customers of a luxury brand. Model yourself after Rolls Royce rather than Dell.

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    38. Re:Any actual examples? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Fix the MP3 tags on your files & iTunes won't have issues syncing them. Yeah, Apple could fix iTunes to better handle corrupted MP3 tags but so can you.

      You shouldn't have to do that. It 'should' just work.

    39. Re:Any actual examples? by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Funny

      iTunes stopped syncing with devices years ago. It just ... doesn't work. It won't copy new tracks over, instead just sitting at "Waiting for items to copy" or some BS like that.

      I know what you mean.

      I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a iPod (a G5 with 2GB of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

      In addition, during this file transfer, Firefox will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

      I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 2 GHZ machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

      Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

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    40. Re:Any actual examples? by PKFC · · Score: 1

      Also the text auto correction has gotten so bad that I've turned it off when I never have in six years of using an iPhone.

      If it thinks "tbag" shouldn't be replaced with "that", I think it can be off.

    41. Re:Any actual examples? by jsdcnet · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry this is happening to you. Have you tried doing any troubleshooting? (I know, it's not your job, it should just work, but it would be interesting to know if there is a reproducible case. If you had one, you can report it to Apple. They do look at bug reports from users.) Also, you might want to try using "Manually manage music and videos". (Connect your device, select its icon from the row of icons at the top left, then look under Settings, Summary, Options. It's at the bottom.) Once you check that box, iTunes doesn't try to sync the host's library any more. You just drag whatever you want from iTunes to the device and it gets copied straight over. (Theoretically - would be interesting to know if that fixes things for you.)

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    42. Re:Any actual examples? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      I haven't tried to sync using iTunes for years. with iTunes match all my songs are synced automatically. Any app purchases in iTunes are pushed to my iphone automagically. what reason is there to ask iTunes to sync?

      Because people buy music outside of the iTunes store?

      "Noah Haders", I see your posts, you seem to be an arch defender of all that is Apple. Do you work for them, or own stock in the company? If not, take off your rose-colored glasses, lots of issues with Apple lately. Apple has failed a lot when it comes to their software.

    43. Re:Any actual examples? by jsdcnet · · Score: 1

      There is a workaround for this. Type until you get Alice COOPER then back up and delete the first cap O, replace with little o, and keep going. It's dumb but it works.

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    44. Re:Any actual examples? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      There is a workaround for this. Type until you get Alice COOPER then back up and delete the first cap O, replace with little o, and keep going. It's dumb but it works.

      Ah... yes... "back up" by which you mean use the arrow keys once Alice COOPER is autocompleted; not the backspace key.

      So I start with Alice COOPER, modify to Alice CoOOPER -- which... Alice CooperOOPER and then delete OOPER...

      That does work; and thanks. But you'll probably agree its as idiotic as having to use notepad though.

    45. Re:Any actual examples? by jddj · · Score: 1

      Broken DAAP music server playing - can no longer play music with iTunes from my streaming server (since like iTunes 10).

      The rest of iTunes - plenty more comments detail this.

      Usability: removal of the scroll arrows from the UI. If you're not on a multitouch pad, or a wheely mouse, hey, just get used to it. F.U. Apple.

      Intentional removal of their OWN Fax Modem (yes, a software issue, as the Fax Modem dongle did its processing on the Mac CPU). Only found out about this item I only kept around to receive rare faxes when I suddenly needed to receive a fax. Doesn't work, and doesn't say why: upgrading the OS was enough to break it forever. Would've been nice to hear that BEFORE I upgraded.

      Apple Mail: steaming pile of turd. I've had Apple Mail mistakenly associate emails with an account identity, then when I delete that identity, all the mail goes away with it. Have had Apple Mail silently mangle emails for months before I found out. Wish there were some other option other than this featureless pile of feces, but there's really not anything that's both better and less buggy. Eudora was, but it's been out of maintenance for maybe a decade.

      Breakage of their legacy software: In the last month I've been moving a huge pile of offline CD and DVD stuff back to magnetic storage (since it's cheap now), and am amazed that so many presentation/multimedia/game/video titles will never run again, because Apple has dropped their Classic and Rosetta emulators. Stuff of a similar vintage could probably be at least opened on Windows (if not actually run well).

      AppleLink>eWorld>iTools>.mac>mobile me>iCloud: Apple has shown a complete inability to focus on maintaining online services. They announce an infrastructure, allow users to build something significant on it, then shut it off without a thought. #epicfail. I wouldn't trust Apple with any of my data online.

      There's plenty more wrong. The list goes on...

    46. Re:Any actual examples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. This is a perfectly valid argument coming from, say MS, because they are actually expected to be compatible with the ridiculous constellation of garbage software/hardware somebody can stick in their machine. That's hard. That's really, really hard. So, things get broken on upgrade and stability goes out the window if you are not a careful gardener of what's on/in your box - I expect and accept this.

      Apple on the other hand are the emperors of 'It just works' smugness. They constrain compatibility to provide stability. It's not the trade-off I would make but I see why it is appealing to so many. It does however abso-fucking-lutely put the OS vendor on the hook to be better than everyone else at upgrade paths. Coming from Apple, your points above are pathetic excuses. They decided to be the gardeners for everyone's box - in that same move they lost the ability to whinge about how hard it is to maintain compatibility.

    47. Re:Any actual examples? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Works fine for me. Probably a user error.

    48. Re:Any actual examples? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Yeah because hardly anyone uses Safari on Windows. They're primarily a hardware company so providing software to a competing system that has no hardware benefit for them and no one uses would be a dumb move. Also, no one made you upgrade. My 4S is still on 7 and I still see people using 6. You jumped on the bandwagon early, shit broke and you got upset. Likewise you can't blame them when 3rd party software is coded in a way that easily breaks between versions. Most of my software worked on my iphone 6 just fine. There were just a couple games that were busted. When your app store model has people expect to get free upgrades for life just because they paid $5 once for the app then you get app developers that might not do a great job or won't be fussed to upgrade quickly. Yet if these developers wanted payments for major versions you, like many others, would probably complain.

    49. Re:Any actual examples? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      For Christmas, I received a box set with The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings on 56 CDs. So I connected my external CD reader, stuck the one CD in the internal drive, the second CD in the external drive, and ...

      iTunes imports the CD from the internal drive. When it's done, it imports the CD from the external drive. The previous version had no problems importing from two CDs simultaneously. Somehow that feature got lost between 11.0 and 12.0.

    50. Re:Any actual examples? by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

      There's a huge difference between automatically pushing said update onto computers as a "your computer will reboot in 60 seconds" unless you press this button style update by nature of you being in the developer program and making an informed decision to be a part of extended, long term beta testing.

      Further, the idea that the *only* way to roll back from said forced update to a very, very broken, completely untested release is to wipe your computer and start over is not a good answer. And if you say "said release was tested, than someone should have caught the various logon issues in the form of "you can't type your password faster than 1 character per second", "you can't let your computer go to sleep", "you can't use a web browser", "you can't use spotlight", "you can't connect to an WPA1/2 Enterprise Network", ... All issues that were present for weeks if not a month plus that were met on the Developer Community as "We can't comment about the ongoing state of development, but if you feel that things are not proceeding to your satisfaction, please feel free to submit a bug report." which is immediately closed as a duplicate of another that you can not see or follow up on. And that complete lack of communication makes it difficult to decide whether one should waste a day or two backing up, wiping and reinstalling a workstation and getting it set back up how you like it when an update *may* be coming out a day or two later to address the "this is borderline unusable" problem that if it were any other company or a historic Apple for that matter would result in an update being pulled, or a rollback being posted!

      Beta Testing isn't the problem, *FORCED* Beta Testing is.

      And that's different from the rhetorical answer of "releases before they're finished", but actual outside the organization dog fooding.

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    51. Re:Any actual examples? by barlevg · · Score: 1

      The Wi-Fi issues with Yosemite were horrible. What was worse was that they refused to acknowledge there was an issue for MONTHS.

    52. Re:Any actual examples? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 3, Informative

      I haven't tried to sync using iTunes for years. with iTunes match all my songs are synced automatically. Any app purchases in iTunes are pushed to my iphone automagically. what reason is there to ask iTunes to sync?

      Because people buy music outside of the iTunes store?

      itunes match works for content from the iTunes store, content from amazon, ripped CDs and pirated stuff. It uploads all of your music to the cloud, and then makes it available to download to any other computer or iOS device. Even better, if you upload a crappy 128kbit/s MP3 it will download a high-quality 256bit/s AAC.

      It actually works pretty well. Just sayin, people keep complaining about issues that were solved years ago...

    53. Re:Any actual examples? by drpimp · · Score: 2

      AC is correct. All phones must be pointed towards Cupertino Mecca 5 times a day to achieve streaming longer than the said duration.

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    54. Re: Any actual examples? by Schnapple · · Score: 1

      There are numerous examples of people writing apps that do something you're not supposed to do in code but it happens to work, or that use something that's depreciated but hasn't been removed from the OS. When the OS upgrades and the code that was written incorrectly stops working, or when the new OS drops the depreciated functionality, the app breaks. It happens. It comes with the territory of having a computer in your pocket. Your old flip phone never had these issues but it was also never upgraded and couldn't do fuckall compared to a smart phone.

      I personally had a perfectly fine iOS app I was working on that completely motherfucking broke, layout-wise, in iOS 8's SDK. In studying how to fix it I realized I had been doing a whole bunch of shit wrong and once I got those things fixed it worked great.

      Apps breaking and the original author abandoning them is an issue but thems the breaks on a rapidly changing platform.

    55. Re:Any actual examples? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      1) when a new OS comes out, some apps designed for the old OS have problems. This works out over time as most apps are updated. Some old unsupported apps are left in the dust and no longer work under new OS versions. this has been true since DOS.

      That's a weird example given that Microsoft have always been religious about backwards compatibility and app-compat testing, to the point where you can in fact run apps written for DOS in Windows and have them work 20 years later.

      Apple, on the other hand, have managed to ship software updates that break Chrome in recent times - that's not exactly some obscure hard to test for app. Yosemite was/is riddled with insanely obvious bugs that show me Apple just doesn't care or make time for OS upgrade testing. It's not some fundamental thing.

      For example after the upgrade the IntelliJ UI is flickering and broken for no obvious reason, presumably something related to their new transparency everywhere. If you disabled said transparency in the accessibility prefs window, beyond being incredibly ugly, the corners of rounded popover windows like the volume indicator went black! They weren't even doing transparency blending right! Come on guys, whoever implemented the "no transparency" feature must have realised it was unfinished, but they shipped it anyway (fixed in 10.10.1 I think). Yosemite also trashed support for my USB smart card stick for, like, 4 months. The manufacturers were eventually able to make it work again, but it now comes with a list of stupid glitches that are due to new bugs in Apple's libraries - one of them is literally "if you use app X Y or Z, then apps A and B won't work until you restart your Mac". WTF? Apple didn't even make any upgrades in smartcard support in recent times. How did they manage to break it so much?

      Yosemite is full of crap like this. I'm ignoring the subjective things like I think it looks worse. Yet, I cannot identify a single feature or improvement that I've benefited from post-upgrade. I had to do it to test the software I'm writing and keep up with security updates, but if I'd known and had free choice, I'd have stayed on 10.9

      But this has been a trend ever since iOS. As was pointed out elsewhere on this thread, it's an open secret that Apple basically have one team of their best people that Jobs kept moving around between the most important projects. OS X has suffered for years because of this.

    56. Re:Any actual examples? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Audio software that can't handle broken MP3 tags is audio software with a pretty major bug.

    57. Re:Any actual examples? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Hey, I hear you. But at least some of this is platform bias. I have worked on both platforms for almost 25 years. I've seen quite a bit of instability on both platforms over time. I'm writing this on a six+ year old mac book pro running 10 apps including MAMP so not totally sure what your issue is with the 17 meg file. At first glance, I'm wondering what you're running on that mac or whether it has any more blatant problems that the OS - like disk errors.

      It was a (ancient) troll, the key to look for is the mention of the G5

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    58. Re:Any actual examples? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      The OS upgrade argument is valid on PCs, and also on Android, where you have an "anything goes!" policy with regards to API usage (to the extent that you can be said to have a policy at all). However, with iOS, it's a lot less forgivable. iOS apps - official ones from the App Store, at least - are required to restrict themselves to approved APIs for third-party use, and go though an approval process before being posted to the store. There's a lot less excuse for the OS to be backwards-incompatible when the walled garden means you have control over what each app is allowed to do.

      As for the performance degradation, that was definitely true for a long time, especially in the 90s when PC hardware was improving at a phenomenal rate, but these days OS upgrades have been extremely consumer-focused. Every release of Windows since Vista has actually run *better* on the same hardware than its predecessor, for example; while Win7 technically has a higher "minimum requirements" than Vista (they bumped the min RAM from 512MB to 1GB), that's because people were complaining that Vista ran like shit on less than a gig (true) and the requirement should never have been set that low to begin with. Win7 uses less RAM than Vista did, though. Win8 uses less than Win7, and 8.1 less than 8. I haven't tried the Win10 pre-release but it probably uses, or will use, less RAM once again. I don't use Macs much, but other commenters have pointed out that the same "runs better on the same hardware" improvements applied to many of the early OS X versions... but no longer.

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    59. Re:Any actual examples? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend has an Android phone, but uses iTunes because she has an iPod (actually a couple of them, a Shuffle and a Classic). Recently the Shuffle stopped synching with iTunes until she upgraded to the latest version. The latest version, which she derisively describes as "red iTunes" ("Why is it red now? Is that a feature? Was it too hard to figure out where everything was when it was blue, o they made it red so that after moving everything to a different place it would be easier to find again?") is the subject of a couple irate texts per week, including issues with playlist management and with finding features and UI elements that were inexplicably moved. My advice to her at this point is to just put her music on the phone...

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    60. Re:Any actual examples? by SimonInOz · · Score: 1

      I updates my iPad to the new iOS - and now it won't play Plants vs Zombies.

      Grr.
      Oh, and it ran like a slug until yet another update improved it slightly.

      Maybe they should do updates like Tesla - where they actually make things better?

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    61. Re:Any actual examples? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      From your wiki link...

      "iTunes Match debuted on November 14, 2011. It was initially available to US users only.[28] For an annual fee,[29] customers can scan and match tracks in their iTunes music library, including tracks copied from CDs or other sources, with tracks in the iTunes Store, so customers do not have to repurchase said tracks. Customers may download up to 25,000 tracks in 256 kbit/s DRM-free AAC file format that match tracks in any supported audio file formats in customers' iTunes libraries, including ALAC and MP3. Customers also have the choice to keep their original copies stored on their computers or have them replaced by copies from the iTunes Store.[30] Any music not available in the iTunes Store is uploaded for download onto customers' other supported devices and computers; doing this will not take storage from the customers' iCloud's storage allowance. Any such tracks stored in the higher quality lossless audio ALAC, or original uncompressed PCM formats, WAV and AIFF, are transcoded to 256 kbit/s DRM-free AAC format before uploading to the customers' iCloud storage account, leaving the original higher quality local files in their original format.[31] If a user stops paying for the iTunes Match service, all copies of the DRM-free AAC iTunes Store versions of tracks that have already been downloaded onto any device can be kept,[29][32] whether on iOS devices or computers."

      Interesting. Does iTunes provide the meta-tags, which seems to be a common complaint here?

    62. Re:Any actual examples? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      iTunes on Windows has also gone downhill over the last few years, and they've completely abandoned Safari on Windows.

      You think that's bad?? I'm still stuck on IE5 on my Mac!

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    63. Re:Any actual examples? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I just got my daughter a MacBook and we had to repeat setup 10 times. The screen kept being scrambled and unusable and couldn't continue. Finally, she charged it (it was at 70% but whatever) and after charging the dialog worked fine and we finished setup. Say what?!?

      Windows may be bad, but at least I can install it without a problem on millions of possible hardware combinations without issue.

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    64. Re:Any actual examples? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Almost everything back to Windows 95 still works fine on Windows in 2015 (20 years later). And stuff before that works fine on DosBox for the most part. And not just games, a friend of mine has a physical machine working just fine from DosBox on a modern Windows PC (and much faster).

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    65. Re:Any actual examples? by Glarimore · · Score: 1

      The scenarios you mention are not analogous. With Apple, they are supplying (often forcing) a new version of iOS every year. In the desktop scenario, people usually upgrade their OS every 4-7 years (I mean shit -- I used Windows XP from 2001 until 2010!).

      I, and I think most people, can bare to deal with the pain of upgrading and having applications break twice a decade, but refuse to deal with it happening every year and will take my business elsewhere if that is the situation.

    66. Re:Any actual examples? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      It would if it was hosted on a Mac OS X server somewhere...

      A what?

      Its an ancient and archaic device sysadmins have to hard reboot weekly until hardware failure finally forces the application to be moved onto an OS that works and can be virtualised.

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    67. Re:Any actual examples? by Eythian · · Score: 1

      I guess everyone forgets about the internet archive sometimes:

      http://web.archive.org/web/201...

    68. Re:Any actual examples? by antdude · · Score: 1

      It pisses me off that Apple doesn't let us downgrade/restore old versions. :(

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    69. Re:Any actual examples? by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that this is the first time that you have ever upgraded an operating system. it must be tough wading into an area that is brand new to you.
      1) when a new OS comes out, some apps designed for the old OS have problems. This works out over time as most apps are updated. Some old unsupported apps are left in the dust and no longer work under new OS versions. this has been true since DOS.

      Except they broke their own mail app that comes with the OS when they released Yosemite. It sends mail when and if it feels like it, and there's nothing you can do about it. There's no excuse for your OS updates to break apps that you provide with the OS and update with it.

    70. Re:Any actual examples? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Are you referring to the general release or the beta? i had a problem with the mail app in the first public beta, but that was fixed in the second beta version and more than fixed by the general release.

    71. Re:Any actual examples? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      Apparently it's an updated version of an ancient troll, as when I first saw that back on CSMA, Macs weren't called "G"-anything yet.

      Hey GGP, do the one about not being able to find a mouse at Target at 3AM next!

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    72. Re:Any actual examples? by theedgeofoblivious · · Score: 1

      Or enter a different name completely. Note that that's not an apology. It's just something that will accomplish what you're trying to do. Once you enter a different title and no other songs have the same mistake then it won't present that suggestion. This behavior is still unacceptable.

      The problem is that iTunes is autofilling what you're typing, but is using a list of all similar items(song names, artist names, et cetera, including the item you're trying to replace). It's fine to include a list of all similar items, but what's already there should not be a suggestion for what you're trying to enter there.

    73. Re:Any actual examples? by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      The best example "that their software quality has taken a nosedive" is the fact Jobs is dead. He WAS the driving force that made sure the code came out good, on time and mostly issue free. Now they are just microsoft with a fruit logo.

    74. Re:Any actual examples? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Also, no one made you upgrade. My 4S is still on 7 and I still see people using 6. You jumped on the bandwagon early, shit broke and you got upset.

      Well yes - as the article says - you shouldn't jump on the upgrade bandwagon anymore because the quality of the software upgrades is degrading. But you can't blame the user for updating when Apple says to do so, if the software is buggy that is still Apple's fault for releasing it before it was ready.

    75. Re:Any actual examples? by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      The release version has a lot of issues with sending mail. My partner has Yosemite that came on a brand new mac and OS X mail is unusable. I got a refurb that came with Mavericks and that version is fine.

    76. Re:Any actual examples? by johncandale · · Score: 1

      The workaround is to not buy an iOS product till it is functional. My ipad1 which I still use and love has the worst text section stuff too. Touch screens in general seem to think they are doing you a favor by controlling the cursor for you. Try to fix a missed typed letter in a word without retyping the whole word....

    77. Re:Any actual examples? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      So slow the beast down and actually treat users of old kit like they are valued customers of a luxury brand. Model yourself after Rolls Royce rather than Dell.

      If only I could make you president of Apple. :)

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    78. Re:Any actual examples? by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Whilst I'll be one of the first to step up and say that I've been bitten by bugs in Apple software, some (most?) that Apple know about and stubbornly refuse to fix (their Radar system is broken. You submit a bug, it's closed as a duplicate and they helpfully give you the Radar ID for the dupe - which you have no way of accessing) - you can not complain about bugs, even show-stopping-my-computer-won't-boot bugs in developer preview software. A Developer Preview, by it's very definition, has known bugs, otherwise it'd be GM or Release.

      Now, a bug that have annoyed me in 10.9 - Apple broke subscriptions to IMAP public folders in Mail - well, they didn't break subscribing to a public folder, they removed the functionality that allows you to unsubscribe from them. I had a heap of users with small SSDs in their laptops suddenly trying to sync around 1 TB of email from folders they didn't want nor need. This worked perfectly in 10.8, was broken and logged as a bug in the 10.9 betas and as of 10.10 is still broken. Every time a bug is logged, it's closed as a dupe and a useless bug ID provided for the duplicate bug that no-one except for the original submitter can see.

    79. Re:Any actual examples? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain to me why virtually every software company manages to f--- up autocomplete?

      It's not hard guys. Display the suggestion, but don't actually act upon it until the user has actually selected it in some way. EVERY other alternative (ie the stupid crap you keep implementing) guarantees the user will be in hell where their keyboard doesn't work properly whenever they try to type something autocomplete isn't matching.

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    80. Re:Any actual examples? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I've got a Macbook Air as my only notebook, I've got an iPhone, an iPad Mini 2, and an iPad 3. I never said the devices were bug-free, only that the original article made an unsubstantiated assertion. The claim was made that the quality is getting worse, but it provided nothing to back that up.

    81. Re:Any actual examples? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      The obvious solution is to use Services->Text->Word Capitals to fix your mistake. Ohh, your OS is missing that - well, get a real one.

      That one would NEED to invoke a little text formatting macro.
      Yes. That's the obvious solution. /sarcasm

    82. Re:Any actual examples? by geoskd · · Score: 1

      I dont use any anti-virus. Next suggestion.

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    83. Re:Any actual examples? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      hmm... I'll have to see how many mp3 files I have - it'll be interesting to see if that fixes anything. Thanks - never heard of this idea as a potential fix before.

      I still buy CDs and rip them to Apple Lossless format. So building a list of mp3s should be straightforward. And what few mp3s I have I purchased through iTunes. oohhh could be my podcasts. ..although I do compress when syncing to my iDevices, maybe the cache is bad. I leave the lossless for Sonos to play through my bad-ass stereo :-)

      I've read through the logs and it seems to be a Bonjour level error. But hey - I'll try it. As the next commenter says though - it should just friggen work. Do I need a degree in CS to make iTunes work?

    84. Re:Any actual examples? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      yes it should. My laptop has a Wifi and ethernet connection (I won't get into why). I figured out years ago that iTunes and iPhones need to be on the same Wifi Ghz channel to work. Maybe this is a bonjour problem? My laptop can do both 2.4 and 5Ghz - my WAP can do simultaneous N on both channels. And there aren't any subnet differences between devices on each channel. DHCP hands out addresses in order as devices request them.

      So why won't my Apple TV talk to my laptop if one is on 2.4 and the other 5? I don't know. Should I have to care?

  3. well if it's gonna be that kind of thread... by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple Computer - proudly going out of business since 1979!

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  4. Apple, PRIORITIZING MARKETING???? by NotDrWho · · Score: 1, Funny

    The hell you say!!!

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  5. and there goes his credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Apple's hardware today is amazing — it has never been better."

    Tell that to the people baking their $3000 MBP.

    1. Re: and there goes his credibility by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      The further back you go, the less worth the $3k it is. Their pricing is remotely competitive these days at only ~1.3-1.5x more than the competition. In years past it was as bad as 2x-3x as much.

  6. No... by koan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Apple's hardware today is amazing — it has never been better.

    So board soldered RAM, non upgradeable parts, antennas that stop working when you put your hand on it (exactly where you were meant to put your hand), bendable phone frames, baking portables in the oven, the list is huge, if this is better then they were shite before.
    But they are right about the software, never has it been more insecure and more geared towards grabbing up your data and marketing/profiting from it.

    Queue the fanbois to the defense.

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    1. Re:No... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The hardware design is amazing. Look at the board and component layout.

      Of course not the CEO prioritizes logistics over quality, and it's starting to show.

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    2. Re:No... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that Apple gets more press scrutiny than most other device makers, in large part because it's in the lead and a sought-after brand. Similar mistakes by other vendors are less likely to get the same attention.

    3. Re:No... by koan · · Score: 1

      I don't care about the board and the layout, that sort of thing is only interesting to a small select group.
      I care about performance and upgradability, which you seem to get little of with Apple products.

      I've mentioned this multiple times, but I get much better performance using Windows 7 for high end video and music production (Adobe suite, Komplete, Reason, and Cubase) than I ever got from Apple products and those using Apples Final Cut and Logic.

      Few might know that for a time, and possibly now as well, Apple would sell a portable with X GPU or X CPU stating it's high power, only I came to find out that the GPU or CPU had been clocked down because of over heating in their tight cases, so you never got the advertised power.

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    4. Re:No... by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      All (or most) of those hardware faults you mentioned are all done to get a certain aesthetic from the hardware. This is where all their decisions come from. Every iPhone has to be thinner than the last. I'm not sure who they're consulting, but most people I know don't care if their phone is 0.05 centimeters thinner than last year. Once phone makers got to around 1.0 - 0.8 cm, I think that most people really stopped caring how thin their phone was. Now they want more battery life, stronger glass, more storage, and other non-aesthetic features. Then again, people keep on buying the phones they make, so there must be a large number of people who want them. Maybe it's just a self perpetuating cycle, where people buy Apple because they had Apple last time, and they have so much invested in the ecosystem. If they switched to Android or Windows phone, there's a lot of stuff they spent money on that just plain won't work with the other devices. I'm due for a new phone soon, and I have an Android phone. I know it's something I think about when considering whether or not I should change to iOS or Windows Phones, and I've maybe invested $30 in apps. Somebody who's spent money on iTunes music, movies, books, and apps would be very tied into the Apple platform than I am to Android.

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    5. Re:No... by koan · · Score: 2

      There have been numerous comparisons on various types of hardware, software and whether the "Apple Tax" is worth it.

      Exactly because of what you state.

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    6. Re:No... by jafac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes; I'm looking back at my "mac fanboi problems" from the 1990's, and the reason I bought Macs then, was to run Mac OS, or some mac-only software - the hardware was always pretty much playing "catch up". The fishtank-iMac was the first glimmer of hope on the hardware front. The dual G5 was amazing, even if OS X was kind of rough.

      But at a certain point, it became obvious that the OS team was being pillaged of talent for the i-device (iOS) team. The fact that Apple pulled all support for PPC kind of put a knife in it for me. And that's when I went over to PC hardware.

      Windows 8 was an amazing opportunity for Apple - and they totally blew it. Microsoft tripped, stumbled, and Apple could have curb-stomped them with a great development effort to tune-up OS X. They blew that opportunity off. And Microsoft STILL isn't really on their feet yet.

      Now: I have a macbook pro - because it's just an "insanely great" piece of hardware. But the ONLY reason I'm running OS X is to be able to use VMWare Fusion. If VMWare Fusion's features were available on Linux, that's what I would be running on my MBP.

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    7. Re:No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bendable phone frames? Really, you are going to go there?

      How many tens of millions of iphone 6's have been sold?
      How many banding related returns have there been? No really, go check how many.

      Now you tell me (without talking out of your ass) if BendGate is an actual issue.

      BendGate is so completely out of the news because it is a complete non-problem.

      Now let me guess, I just said something that was not a baseless criticism of Apple, therefore that makes me a Fanboi. Can we now play the game of "Count the Logical Fallacies In This Sentence" Game?

    8. Re:No... by jd142 · · Score: 1

      Really? As much as people love to complain about Microsoft? This is the company that brought the phrase blue screen of death into the language. And that's not counting the /. crowd. Very few companies elicit the glee that people get when announcing yet another MS bug.

    9. Re:No... by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

      But they are right about the software, never has it been more insecure and more geared towards grabbing up your data and marketing/profiting from it.

      The only thing I can think of that involves "grabbing up your data and marketing/profiting from it" would be iAd and that's hardly a large part of Apple.

      What's your proof that Apple are making a massive play to slurp up your personal data and use it in the way Google would?

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    10. Re:No... by koan · · Score: 1

      Now: I have a macbook pro - because it's just an "insanely great" piece of hardware. But the ONLY reason I'm running OS X is to be able to use VMWare Fusion. If VMWare Fusion's features were available on Linux, that's what I would be running on my MBP.

      I use an iMac with OSX for exactly the same reason, I run VMware and Virtualbox, the seamless mode in OSX is aces.

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    11. Re:No... by koan · · Score: 1

      are all done to get a certain aesthetic from the hardware

      "Aesthetics without functionality are for fanbois"
      -koan

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    12. Re:No... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      By now most expect MS to suck.

    13. Re:No... by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      "The hardware design is amazing. Look at the board and component layout."

      Yeah wow, they've managed to be amazing by putting the same hardware as everyone else, minus removable batteries and SD card slots into a phone. Of course the lack of those is entirely to compel upgrades and has nothing to do with form factor or any of the other BS Apple likes to proclaim.
      Risk paranoia in modern business is going to hit them harder than others I think. Without a Steve Jobs to force through something bold and ballsy from time to time, they will listen too much to the risk managment types while they miss the next big thing (tm).

    14. Re:No... by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      "By now most expect MS to suck."

      Then they are missing out. I've run the hell out of my windows 7 box since the OS came out and have had nary a blue screen in that time. It just works, ya know? The touch screen laptop i got my wife for christmas has windows 8 on it and it looks like the teething problems with that OS are mostly resolved as well. As easy to use as our Android phones and still compatible with software we've had for years. 2 weeks of constant use and not a hiccup so far.

      Anecdotes are anecdotes, but it's funny that these days I see a lot of Facebook friends ranting about some problem or other with their IOS/OSX devices. Often followed by a sarcastic comment about "it just works". When Apple devices fail, I think it hits harder lol.

    15. Re:No... by phorm · · Score: 1

      " I'm not sure who they're consulting, but most people I know don't care if their phone is 0.05 centimeters thinner than last year"

      Exactly this. Who *does* make these decisions. Yes, I dislike it if my phone is the equivilent to a lead brick, and if you're going up 0.5cm thickness that's not going to be great, but who really cares about a millimeter (or less), ESPECIALLY if it makes the phone more fragile. Most people with any sanity put a bumper on their phone off the get-go anyhow, or a case with some horrid bling, whatever.

      Samsung has a phone with bumpers built into the edges. If they have one that overlaps the screen slightly (so a face-drop isn't fatal) like a normal bumper, but slightly less bulky than an aftermarket, *THAT* would be a good decision decision to me. Put in protection, make it look nice... it's not hard.

    16. Re:No... by PRMan · · Score: 1

      This is the same with me. I just noticed the other day that the copyright notices on my Server's BIOS are from 2009. That's 6 years ago now. And I upgraded my video card for about $200 and play the latest games at the highest settings no problem.

      No way you could do this with Apple hardware and software.

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    17. Re:No... by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      I used to agree with you about thinness until I got an iPad Air into my hands... It really makes a difference on how you feel the device. Same thing for the iPhone 6 and 6Plus. I thought "Gimme more battery instead of a thinner phone", but how good does the thinner (and lighter) phone feels in your hands? Well, it does make a great difference.

      Note: I don't own any.

  7. Marketing or Scaling? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    I have to wonder if part of the problem is simply not being good enough (or it simply not being possible to be good enough, given the intricacies of finding suitable people and getting them up to speed) at adding new people fast enough to support their various new things.

    Time was when Apple pretty much made hardware, MacOS, and one pet project or another over the years(Clarisworks/Appleworks, Hypercard, the occasional foray into some quasi-server thing with IBM, etc.)

    Now they make hardware, OSX, iOS(shared in part; but only in part, with OSX), iWork, iLife(with applications from both increasingly showing up on both OSX and iOS), a pretty massive 'cloud' operation to keep delivering all that ITMS, web-app versions of some of its formerly native-only applications, Safari/webkit, Final Cut Pro, and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.

    Even if you have unlimited money, turning a small, focused, group that does a few things into a larger and more heterogenous operation requires significant talent, and probably a certain minimum amount of time that just can't be escaped.

    1. Re:Marketing or Scaling? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      The last time this happened was under Gil Amelio's watch, with the Apple hardware licensing, Newton MessagePad, eWorld dialup network access, etc. And we all know how that worked out; Apple needed a long-term loan from Microsoft to bail them out until Steve returned and cut all the extra fat, and spin off Claris, Filemaker, etc.

      The current situation seems to be similar; it seems to me like it is once again time to trim things down and spin off a few companies. I also sure hope they've got someone looking at what's going to happen for a "next-gen" OS -- because xnu is getting a bit long in the tooth at this point (and we don't have Steve to return to the fold this time).

    2. Re:Marketing or Scaling? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      God, I miss the Newton.

  8. I don't see the correlation by Nutria · · Score: 1

    Yearly major releases and more frequent bug fixes was a solved problem long before billg co-founded the Evil Empire...

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  9. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

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  10. Of Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to be an Apple supporter. Apple used to be stable. After being a huge proponent of apple from 99-2012, I am running for the door. Every new version of apple software has less features(for an actual power user) and is less stable. Oh how I used to love apple! Oh how I hate Apple, and want them out of my creative professional life!
    Apple products are never going to get better, because Apple has gotten a taste of "moron money", and us creative professionals and academics are no longer a concern.
    I suspect that Apple has been hiring 20 somethings to write the software, because they are sooo smart, and not because it saves money(of course apple hasn't enough money).
    When you are as All In with a company as I was with apple, it takes a long time to get away. I'm going on 3 years, and have not completely replaced apple in my workflow. I have been changing components of my apple software with third party components, and I'm almost done!
    OMG I can't wait to never buy an apple product again!!!!!!!

    1. Re:Of Course by Imazalil · · Score: 1

      Yes, I used to be an Apple fan in '99 too! OS X has been just going downhill since the super stable and great 10.0 release.

  11. From a previous apple fan boy... by captnjohnny1618 · · Score: 1

    ... I second what the author says about the software.

    I used to be a whole-hearted apple fan. Now I only use linux for computing (on a converted chromebook) and my iPhone 5C and Apple TV are the last things I use that are apple. IOS 8 is totally twitchy with lots of app crashes, poor battery management (my phone died with 8% battery life the other day), and a footprint so large that I can hardly do anything on my 16gb phone ( less than 1 year old) anymore. My Apple TV can't seem to handle displaying album art correctly but other than that works for the most part.

    Yosemite caused my old apple laptop to slow down to such a crawl that it has essentially become unusable. Whereas with Snow Leopard and even Lion (to a lesser extent though) it was great. I was fortunate enough to not suffer with the wifi issues others did, but things of the sort have plagued the latest software releases.

    I think apple would do themselves a favor by slowing down a bit, and doubling down on reducing footprint size and upping the speed of the current features instead of always trying to add new stuff. Basically we need a repeat of the change from leopard to snow leopard; i.e. we need a "Snow Yosemite."

  12. Remember Final Cut Pro X? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2, Informative
    FTC took the Video Post community by storm, quickly gaining broad acceptance throughout the industry, knocking Premier off it's pedestal for desktop-class video editing software

    Then they came out with Final Cut Pro X and when their users complained about the rampant bugs, overly simplified iMovie style interface and defeaturization, Apple told their user base to go fuck themselves -- as Apple is want to do and Premier went back to being on top again.

    http://fortune.com/2011/06/22/...
    https://discussions.apple.com/...

    Anyway, far from being a learning moment for Apple -- this has been wholly adopted as their corporate ideology when it comes to their user apps. A lot of it is a focus on iOS and trying to make everything fall in line with iOS -- this was clear as early as 2007 when a trip to the Apple store had their laptop and desktop add-ons shunted to dusty corners while iPhone cases and accessories dominated the store. So this has beed a mentality years in the making based solely on spreadsheets of product sales and not user needs regarding user experience.

    Even Woz wrote a rant (now pulled it seems) about ditching OS X in favor of Linux over the frustration of the mounting shit-pile of bugs and anoyances with OS X You can read comments about Woz' post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/i...

    1. Re:Remember Final Cut Pro X? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Aperture 2 a complete rewrite as the codebase for Aperture 1 was so horrific?

    2. Re:Remember Final Cut Pro X? by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Some years ago I purchase Premeire, it was a turkey. Resolution gets squashed and saved files like 720x480 are immensely large size to a point impractical. I heard these days Avid is the top program. Regarding gripes about FCP I bought a program last year and it sure doesn't perform like pre-Apple version. It may be easier to use but I find it will not import many video formats (I heard previous versions did). Then latest problem is audio is stripped when I import AVI files. Nobody seems to know how to deal with this, occassionally someone posts a useless tip like go to this menu selection that doesn't exist on my system.

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    3. Re:Remember Final Cut Pro X? by Tchaik · · Score: 1

      The rant wasn't by Woz (woz.org), it was by Geoff Wozniak (wozniak.ca)

    4. Re:Remember Final Cut Pro X? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      That isn't Woz. That's some Geoff guy with the same last name.

    5. Re:Remember Final Cut Pro X? by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      as Apple is want to do

      wont to do

      Regarding the Final Cut issue -- it probably just wasn't worth it for Apple to keep up with producing a $1,000 piece of software when it was far from being an industry standard. "Desktop-class" is the key phase there. It was popular with indie films but that doesn't make it a cash cow for Apple. FCP X is suitable for the type of amateurs/indies Apple is targeting.

      I don't think that Adobe is the type of company Apple should be emulating. The price of commodity software will always approach zero and Apple seems to be ahead of the game here. This is why they focus on selling hardware. It's just a matter of time before something like Gimp makes Photoshop worthless and some video editing software will render Premier worthless, too. This is probably why Lightworks is pretty much free now and the company rakes in their cash with the hardware associated with it.

      There was a time when nobody believed that OpenOffice would supplant MS Office yet today very few home users pay for MS Office. Everyone I know who has MS Office has it because their employer paid for it. This wasn't true five years ago. Adobe's business plan is quickly becoming anachronistic and their whole cloud service thing won't keep them afloat in the future. Gimp has quite a bit of maturing to do to be a full-fledged Photoshop replacement but the foundation is there. I think it's smart of Apple to concentrate their software development in areas that will help them sell hardware than actually worry about selling software.

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    6. Re:Remember Final Cut Pro X? by bmo · · Score: 1

      The post didn't exactly disappear. It's on the Wayback Machine.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20...

      Playing "Mr. Language Person" aka Dave Barry:

      It's not "want to do." It's "wont to do."

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    7. Re:Remember Final Cut Pro X? by blivit42 · · Score: 1

      Even Woz wrote a rant (now pulled it seems) about ditching OS X in favor of Linux over the frustration of the mounting shit-pile of bugs and anoyances with OS X You can read comments about Woz' post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/i... [ycombinator.com]

      Maybe Woz did at some point write a rant somewhere against OSX, I don't know, but this isn't it. The link you provided is to a rant by a Geoff Wozniak, not Woz (Steve Wozniak).

  13. This coming from someone associated with Tumblr? by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tumblr is more awful than anything Apple puts out (or MS for that matter).

  14. Which Apple are you talking about? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Apple's hardware today is amazing â" it has never been better.

    From my perspective the overwhelming majority of Apple hardware is no better than what I can buy from my local retailer, unless you're talking about the iPhone in which case it is no better than what i can get in a phone from Samsung. I would say Apple had much better hardware ~10 years ago when they were still using the PowerPC G5 CPUs (and were the largest volume seller of RISC PCs in the world).

    I would pay Apple for a license for their OS to run on a PC. I would not pay Apple for the hardware they want to force me to buy to run their OS.

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    1. Re:Which Apple are you talking about? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      Well, except for that 64-bit processor that was 2 years ahead of everyone else's. Or the fingerprint sensor that works quite a lot better than any current competing models. Or the custom timing controller they built so they could release a 5k iMac for the same price that Dell is selling (a not-yet-available) a 5k monitor. Or the rather cleverly designed Mac Pro.

      Apple consistently puts out really high quality hardware still, I think. Apple used to really consistently lag behind in performance-per-dollar, and I think between the longevity of their products and the high quality of the releases at the start of the generation, there's much less of a penalty to being an early Apple adopter than there ever was. Of course, this all relies on you being willing to give up the control of expandability and repairability. There's certainly a trade-off there that has to be considered; I 100% respect anyone that makes decisions based on that criteria.

      But the software is noticeably worse. I had a problem the other day where I couldn't drag and drop files in my Finder in Yosemite. Turned out I needed to delete some sort of Finder plist file; something migrated badly from Mavericks and screwed me up. And ever since installing Yosemite, I've been plagued with random kernel panics. I actually don't use my desktop machine much anymore, but I used to keep my account logged in even when my partner was using the machine. I've used it a bit more in the last couple of weeks, and I've made sure to log myself out because I was suspicious that I had some rogue process running causing the crashes. Well now when she logs back in after I've logged out, Yosemite will log her out after a minute or so. Then she goes back in again and it's fine.

      Everyone has a completely different list of software problems now. It's madness.

      Meanwhile, my iPhone 6 replaced my iPhone 4 (only because the iPhone 4 wasn't eligible for OS updates anymore), the iMac and Mac Mini hardware have no trouble at all, and our two iPads are rock solid. Hardware-wise, I haven't had to warranty anything from Apple in the last 6 years. Now I'm just faced with weird random problems with OS X crashes and dumb iOS bugs.

    2. Re:Which Apple are you talking about? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Well, except for that 64-bit processor that was 2 years ahead of everyone else's

      You mean the Intel Xeon? How was their Intel Xeon in any way special when compared to anyone else's Intel Xeon? Or do you mean the Intel i7, which was also the same i7 that was available to everyone else?

      Or the fingerprint sensor that works quite a lot better than any current competing models

      And how many have you tried? Every iPhone user I know regards the fingerprint sensor as a nice "gee-whiz" addon but not anything important.

      Or the custom timing controller they built so they could release a 5k iMac for the same price that Dell is selling (a not-yet-available) a 5k monitor.

      It's rather silly to compare an extant product to one you insist does not exist. More useful would be to note that the 5k iMac is a product with nearly no market and nearly no sales. In fact it is one of the only non-touchscreen all-in-one units on the market today.

      Or the rather cleverly designed Mac Pro.

      Clever in what way? We've seen cleverly designed workstations before that at least used novel hardware. Intel CPUs and GPUs in a fancy box are still Intel CPUs and GPUs.

      I think between the longevity of their products and the high quality of the releases at the start of the generation, there's much less of a penalty to being an early Apple adopter than there ever was

      I encourage you to think about that in more depth. Apple tends to push arguably the shortest generation time of any hardware vendor today. My non-apple laptop is 7 years old and runs fine. I don't know anyone who is currently using an apple laptop that is more than 3 years old, and it isn't because they did anything incredible hardware or software-wise in the past 3 years. Similarly their workstations - which you can't buy for less than $2,500 - also are designed to be replaced completely in bewilderingly short time spans.

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    3. Re:Which Apple are you talking about? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Well, except for that 64-bit processor that was 2 years ahead of everyone else's

      You mean the Intel Xeon? How was their Intel Xeon in any way special when compared to anyone else's Intel Xeon? Or do you mean the Intel i7, which was also the same i7 that was available to everyone else?

      Uh, no. The A7 and A8. The ones that Apple developed themselves. The ones that Qualcomm dismissed as a gimmick while desperately trying to get out the door themselves and only just achieving this year.

      Or the fingerprint sensor that works quite a lot better than any current competing models

      And how many have you tried? Every iPhone user I know regards the fingerprint sensor as a nice "gee-whiz" addon but not anything important.

      I've tried the ONE other that's on the market. On the face of it, it's a poor system, and much slower. The swipe action requires a lot more precision and a specific orientation. I've unlocked my iPhone upside down.

      It seems like it's a triviality, but because of it, I can have a 15-ish digit passcode and unlock my phone and buy things from the appstore rather quickly. I feel like I'm in the dark ages every time I use my (3rd-Gen) iPad. It's a small change, but it's one that I quickly wanted on almost everything I owned. I'm not made of money, though, so replacing my iPad will have to wait.

      Or the custom timing controller they built so they could release a 5k iMac for the same price that Dell is selling (a not-yet-available) a 5k monitor.

      It's rather silly to compare an extant product to one you insist does not exist. More useful would be to note that the 5k iMac is a product with nearly no market and nearly no sales. In fact it is one of the only non-touchscreen all-in-one units on the market today.

      Right, but for the same price as the Dell monitor, you can buy the iMac. It's like you get a computer for free.

      Or the rather cleverly designed Mac Pro.

      Clever in what way? We've seen cleverly designed workstations before that at least used novel hardware. Intel CPUs and GPUs in a fancy box are still Intel CPUs and GPUs.

      The heat dissipation design is really clever. I had a PowerMac G5, and the bloody thing (while gorgeous--one of the loveliest industrial designs in the last 20 years) was insanely loud. I've worked with a few sound engineers in my time (I'm in the games industry) and they hate how loud the computers are.

      I think between the longevity of their products and the high quality of the releases at the start of the generation, there's much less of a penalty to being an early Apple adopter than there ever was

      I encourage you to think about that in more depth. Apple tends to push arguably the shortest generation time of any hardware vendor today. My non-apple laptop is 7 years old and runs fine. I don't know anyone who is currently using an apple laptop that is more than 3 years old, and it isn't because they did anything incredible hardware or software-wise in the past 3 years. Similarly their workstations - which you can't buy for less than $2,500 - also are designed to be replaced completely in bewilderingly short time spans.

      I think you're misreading my statement. It used to be that buying Gen 1 of any Apple product was a recipe for disaster. You always waited for the next revision because the first one would have an irritating problem. Now, I feel like Gen 1 of Apple's hardware is a lot less worrisome from that perspective.

      But to speak to your point, while Apple does frequent updates, they support old hardware for a long time. My iPhone got OS updates for four years--they're the only ones in the industry that do that. My 5 year old iMac is still getting OS updates. They're not really designed to be replaced quickly, it's just

    4. Re:Which Apple are you talking about? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Or the rather cleverly designed Mac Pro.

      The other points, yes. But not this one, the new Mac Pro is a completely retarded design! Have you actually used one? When you rotate the damn thing to get to the back of its 'clever design' you end up dragging your cables around the damn thing unless you have a heap of slack on all of them. There's no facility for internal storage expansion so you end up with a whole lot of external storage on your desk (which you have to move individually if you move the system). Then they've also taken the idiotic decision to design it so you need a custom graphics card, if I wanted to use an nVidia GPU (for CUDA or just for NV-specific extensions) I would need a custom card which they don't make.

      Yes the 5k imac and the TouchID are great but the new Mac Pro is a triumph of stupid design.

  15. Re:Wrong way round by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    The hardware hasn't become less serviceable, it's that the hardware has shrunk to the size where it's not economical to break out the audio from the video, or the CPU from the audio and video, or the eithernet, disk controller, etc. As a result you end up with a tiny circuit board that costs pennies to produce, is easily maintainable and fits inside today's slim devices.

    If you want a repairable computer with a separate chip for every application, I have a coal plant to sell you

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  16. Finder on Yosemite is just a disaster! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Finder has always been pretty bad, but now with Yosemite you can't open Finder windows. Clicking on the icon does nothing. I have about forty users out of sixty-seven that have this problem. Unfortunately, about half of them are artists so they are having a lot of trouble using the command line as a work-around. I took three of the laptops to an Apple store, and they said they see that problem pretty often but don't have a fix. I shipped one of the laptops back for repair, and Apple reinstalled the OS, but the problem is still there. It is very frustrating that Apple forces people to use the command line.

    Another unrelated problem is the fact that Apple doesn't reconnect to network drives. NetWare used to require you to reboot DOS/Windows when there was a problem. Microsoft, because their servers are so unreliable, would automatically reconnect in the background. That made Windows appear much more reliable than it really was. Apple should copy the same decision because it is an absolute and utter pain to have to reconnect all of your network drives by hand after rebooting or changing networks. Due to having a lot of locations from buying over a dozen small competitors, we have a lot of different network drives so Apple's decision is painful for us.

  17. slow day? by DrProton · · Score: 1

    1) Is someone trying to short AAPL? 2) Slow day at /.? "Let's have another Apple fanboi flamefest."

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  18. Consider the source... by Hussman32 · · Score: 1

    Viewing this tweet shows that Arment is a big fan of Scott Forstall, who ran iOS development until he was pushed out after Jobs passed away.

    https://twitter.com/marcoarmen...

    Not sure if he is chums with him, but taking potshots after your favorite is pushed out isn't uncommon.

    As any developer knows, there will always be bugs, and they will be found when you have a billion, and growing, users.

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  19. Seen it coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not a prophet by any stretch, but I've been using computers since 1982. I've seen a thing or two, seen a company or two make great products and then fall. They all fall eventually.

    Apple make great hardware. Their software, while meaning well, has never been "great". I agree with the article. I've seen it myself. I'm in a great position to evaluate HW and SW since I work with Windows and related HW, Apple HW/SW, as well as BSD and Linux. I literally see it all. MS, while often derided, makes some really good SW these days, especially their "cloud" stuff like Azure. Nothing touches it.

    Let's just be honest for a moment. Apple have not innovated much since the iPod and iPhone. Everything since is simple another iteration of the original idea.

    MS realized it missed the boat on the Internet back in the late 90s and took over 10 years to course correct with their new CEO and newfound direction as a services company as well as their perennial Office and other stuff.

    Linux and the OSS companies largely copy either Apple or MS or both. Some good stuff comes from OSS, especially FreeBSD, the notion of jails and ZFS and OpenBSD with their audits.

    Apple is riding the wave of past glories. The watch will be a loss leader. It's nothing. Android is basically 80% of the worldwide market for smartphones. Apple do really well in the US, but not so much overseas. OS X is fragile and nothing more than a semi-pretty GUI atop a badly-hacked UNIX-like OS. Why they simply didn't take FreeBSD and use that as the solid base eludes me and others regularly. I guess they had to eat their own dogwood to somehow make Steve feel good about resurrecting NEXT.

    Apple glomming onto Webkit for Safari as well as Opera and others is fast tracking the browser world to have one standard -- Webkit. This is a monoculture and is not good. Mozilla may or may not survive well without Google's handouts. We'll see. Microsoft is about to release another browser based on their Trident rendering engine. Time will tell if it's any good or just another attempt to embrace and extend. Under Satya Nadella, MS may yet emerge to be the winner, as they are desperately trying while Apple is simply basking in past glories.

    1. Re:Seen it coming by JohnFen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MS, while often derided, makes some really good SW these days, especially their "cloud" stuff like Azure. Nothing touches it.

      Maybe that's true -- I wouldn't know, since I have less than zero interest in using the cloud either as a user or as a developer. However, the Microsoft software that I do actually use is not what I'd call "really good", and has generally been declining in quality.

      You're right, Apple has never made incredible software, but I wonder if the decline in their software quality is related to the decline in the quality of software being produced by the industry across the board?

      Linux and the OSS companies largely copy either Apple or MS or both.

      You have that backwards.

    2. Re:Seen it coming by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Apple glomming onto Webkit for Safari as well as Opera and others is fast tracking the browser world to have one standard -- Webkit. This is a monoculture and is not good. Mozilla may or may not survive well without Google's handouts. We'll see. Microsoft is about to release another browser based on their Trident rendering engine.

      I'm sorry, I don't buy this monoculture stuff at all. There is absolutely no indication that either Firefox or IE is going to disappear any time soon, even though the webkit browsers (mostly Chrome) have definitely gained a huge amount of marketshare. As long as FF and IE are around, there's no monoculture, and there's also zero indication that either one is moving to webkit. We deride IE a lot, but as long as corporations keep using Windows desktops, IE is going to have a significant (though probably never again anywhere near majority) marketshare.

      Your allegations of a monoculture sound like "the sky is falling".

    3. Re:Seen it coming by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Apple make great hardware.

      What you mean to say is, Apple buys great hardware.

      Screens are made by LG, processors by TSMC, RAM by Hynix, flash memory by Samsung.

      A lot of other manufacturers do the same thing. Actually unlike a lot of other manufacturers Apple tends to get things wrong when they design something themselves (see: antennagate), then again they're in good company with HP in this regard.

      Also, hardware isn't usually enough to keep most companies afloat. A lot of the old big iron companies are spinning off their hardware divisions because they aren't making money. Unfortunately Apple has most of its users by the short and curlies, so getting more money out of them isn't an issue.

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    4. Re:Seen it coming by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Apple do really well in the US, but not so much overseas.
      That is nonsense.

      Ride a train in France or Germany. What is the majority of laptops? Note: not noticeable high percentage! Majority!

      Again go to France: what is the most sold "computer" brand? Hm, not sure if Apples are really the "most" if you count al brands. But the percentage of computer owners owning Macs is most certainly far beyond the USA.

      I hope the rest of your claims are not equally far off as your idea about Apples overseas sales. Oh ... you meant China? You got a point.

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    5. Re:Seen it coming by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      Right, but in the context of smartphones, where (according to your parent post) Android is 80% of the world market...

      Android is basically 80% of the worldwide market for smartphones. Apple do really well in the US, but not so much overseas.

      You must have missed that in your haste to demonstrate what a raving fanboi you are.

      Sent from my MacBook Pro.

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    6. Re:Seen it coming by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      MS has been up and down. Windows from inception through Vista was pretty bad, but 7 isn't bad at all. 8 has that terrible UI, but that can be replaced with less effort than changing window managers in Linux. Hopefully it's something MS will abandon completely as the negative publicity continues.

    7. Re:Seen it coming by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, did not notice he was talking about smartphones in that case.
      Wrong anyway as well, in Europe certainly more than 20% of the smartphone owners have an iPhone.
      Perhaps bottom line they last longer, at least I don't have the urge to get an iPhone 6 while my 4 rans fine (and a 3 would be good enough for me anyway).
      No idea why everybody who owns a Mac or iOS device is insulted/titled as a fanboi/fanboy :D

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    8. Re:Seen it coming by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Wrong anyway as well, in Europe certainly more than 20% of the smartphone owners have an iPhone.

      Did you also not notice that he said "of the world market"?

      Perhaps bottom line they last longer

      I've never broken an Android phone, or had one die on me. I have a friend who dropped an Atrix2 and cracked its screen; he's also purposely destroyed several Android phones after upgrading because he's paranoid about his data being pulled off it if he sells it or trades it in. That's the extent of dead Android phones I've seen: one accidental and several on-purpose. Meanwhile, my wife is the only iPhone owner I know who hasn't had an iPhone fail. Not break due to being dropped or mishandled, but outright fail, though there has been some amount of screen-breakage there, as well. For the record, there's about a 50/50 split between Android and iPhone in my circles, ignoring other platforms.

      I know, I know, anecdote and small sample size. Whatever.

      As for me, personally, I've always been in the market for my next phone since the day I bought my first phone, so we're going on 15 years now. From my first candy-bar style phone, to my first flip phone, the first MP3-capable phone (made by Samsung back in the day), a couple Nokias with flip-out keyboards (I loved those!), a handful of BlackBerry models, a Palm Pixi+ (great OS, shit-tier hardware), then an iPhone 3Gs, before my first Android phone, of which I've had 6 including my current model and an HD2 (WP6-based) I unlocked to run CM7. Each model was lacking something but, for some reason, I've stopped looking for a new phone since I got my LG G3.

      Of the 20 or so phones I've used in the last 15 years, the one I used for the shortest period was the iPhone. Not because I don't like iOS, I love my iPad; iOS simply doesn't agree with how I (and many people I know) use a phone.

      No idea why everybody who owns a Mac or iOS device is insulted/titled as a fanboi/fanboy :D

      Once again:

      Sent from my MacBook Pro.

      We aren't all titled as fanboys. Some of us don't prop up a company without merit. Don't get me wrong, I love my MBP, but it (a mid-2011 17" model) is the last laptop Apple made that actually caught my attention long enough to finish reading the spec sheet. Fortunately, with 16GB of RAM and a high-end SSD, it's looking like it'll last me until Apple decides it's not worthy of a version of OSX that still gets security updates; hopefully they bring back 17" displays by then, or I'll end up seeing how well the then-current version of Windows runs on it (sadly, I need Adobe products for my work; I have to be able to open what my clients send me and designers aren't using OSS tools, no matter how much one might want to wish; otherwise, I happen to know it runs Ubuntu quite nicely).

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    9. Re:Seen it coming by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      My last 17" is older ... unfortunately only 4GB RAM :-/
      Hm, did not know that you can have one with 16GB. I googled around lately to get a used "reserve" 17" (with matte screen, if possible) and only noticed 8GB models, but might have been not looking hard enough.

      Yes, I hope they make a decent 17" again! I agree with the complaints about the OS ;D and love my old one running 10.6.8 ... well, seems I need to fix NTP and the bash myself ... or at least NTP., I'm not really affected by the bash bug.

      Right now I use a 13" MacBook air for traveling and mails, talks etc. and the other one only for "programming" and other "real" work. The accumulator holds long, up to 13h and it loads very quickly, about an hour if not used. And funnily with some 3rd party software I can use an iPad as second screen while traveling, very useful when using an IDE!

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    10. Re:Seen it coming by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Officially, only 8GB, but it'll happily use 16GB if you install it yourself. Not sure on the older models, though; look up your model identifier (from System Information -> System Report -> Hardware) on everymac.com to find out for sure. I'd really love to still be running Snow Leopard, but it's really not a great idea; the NTP and Shellshock issues aren't the only security issues Apple has fixed since SL stopped getting updates. Hell, they're not even the worst of the lot.

      I have an 11" Vaio tablet convertible running Ubuntu for travel and a Vaio laptop that's on par with my MBP specs-wise running Win7 for audio/video work and Windows-based testing. I have no interest in paying a premium price for a machine I can't upgrade (the Vaio tablet more or less falls into that category, but I didn't pay a premium price for it), so the current MacBook (including Pro) lineup is out as far as I'm concerned.

      Good tip on the iPad as a second display. I've been using AirDisplay for some time now and absolutely love it. Between the laptop display, 2 flat panels, my iPad, and my Android phone, I have 5 display when at my desk, and I love it. Skype and iMessage go on the iPad and notifications get shoved onto the phone, so I can put those screens out of view when I need to work uninterrupted or any period of time.

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    11. Re:Seen it coming by neoform · · Score: 1

      >OS X is fragile and nothing more than a semi-pretty GUI atop a badly-hacked UNIX-like OS.

      How does a comment like this get modded up?

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    12. Re:Seen it coming by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Apple glomming onto Webkit for Safari as well as Opera and others is fast tracking the browser world to have one standard -- Webkit.

      Nope. This wasn't even the case when Opera and Chrome used "Webkit", with each browser using a heavily customized fork. Changes to Apple's Webkit did get into Chrome's version, but that didn't mean there weren't differences.

      Right now though the fork is official. They don't share code. They may choose to take code from the other project at times, but it's not an automatic process, and will become harder as the two code bases diverge, as it was when Webkit itself had an even more dramatic fork from KHTML.

      For all intents and purposes, the three major tablet platforms (Android, Windows 8.x, and iOS) are running three different browser engines by default. Two may be related, but they're becoming distant relatives.

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    13. Re:Seen it coming by doccus · · Score: 1

      I have been "whining" about precisely the same thing for several years now.. at least as far as the desktop software, in particular, the OS, is concerned. The "rot" started setting in around the time Steve Jobs got seriously ill, (Snow Leopard) and got really bad under Tim Cook. I simply cannot get around , efficiently, such a cumbersome OS.. EVERYTHING seems to need workarounds now, and it hampers my workflow. OTOH, I found Windows 7 to be a breeze to use, and for a diehard Macophile to say that (I've been using macs for 14 years) is worrisome. I don't know about Win8, nor do I want to, but perhaps Windows 9 is like 7. I'm not ready to switch though, because I still am using Snow Leopard as my maiin OS, which is the last one to support my years of investments in applications, many of which have not been upgraded by the developer as the constant changes by Apple were too hard to keep up with, so they folded. If pressed perhaps I'll switch to another unix-y like OS.. which would need to be Linux as there aren't a lot of consumer apps for QNX ;-(

    14. Re:Seen it coming by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's software is in a decent place right now. Windows 8 has UI problems, but most can be fixed with third party software. Windows 10 seems to be on the right track to be what Windows 8 should have been. Office has its own problems and it's rather big and bloated, but it is mostly reliable; people would have abandoned it in droves if that were not true. Microsoft's developer software continue to be solid and their cloud offerings are following suit.

      Their biggest problem in the past year has been with software updates. They have pushed out multiple updates to Windows that have broken significant numbers of systems. They need to get that problem cleared up ASAP.

    15. Re:Seen it coming by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Apple designs its own mobile processors but they are manufactured by TSMC. They do the industrial design of all their systems even though most of them are built for them by other companies. The new Mac Pro is the notable exception; Apple actually builds those.

      Apple has had success at making money on hardware because they target the premium end of the market, where there is actually some profit margin available. Companies like HP and Dell are struggling because the bulk of their business is in commodity rather than premium systems. Competition with companies like Acer and ASUS has sucked most of the profit potential out of those products.

      HP and Dell do have bright spots. HP makes money selling ink and toner. Dell has been successful with monitors; there are people who are willing to pay a small premium for a better display and Dell has done well at targeting them. Those niches are likely a big part of what is keeping those companies afloat.

    16. Re:Seen it coming by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Windows 8 has UI problems, but most can be fixed with third party software.

      Which means that Windows 8 UI design was not in a good place. If you have to use third party software to fix something, that means it was broken.

      Office has its own problems and it's rather big and bloated, but it is mostly reliable; people would have abandoned it in droves if that were not true.

      Which means that Office is not in a good place as well. Office is much worse than it used to be even though it is, as you say, mostly reliable. It's also a huge pain in the ass to use. I know a lot of people who use Office, but I don't know anyone who says that Office is a wonderful piece of software. The only reason that they don't change is because of the lock-in effect.

      Microsoft's developer software continue to be solid and their cloud offerings are following suit.

      As someone who uses that developer software every single day, I disagree. It is stable, but it also has some real usability problems. As to the cloud, as I said before, I don't know and don't care as I have no interest in the cloud and therefore haven't been following their offerings at all.

      Their biggest problem in the past year has been with software updates. They have pushed out multiple updates to Windows that have broken significant numbers of systems. They need to get that problem cleared up ASAP.

      That's funny -- because while what you say about them is true, the software updates didn't even occur to me since they have never caused me a single problem. Unlike much of the rest of their software.

    17. Re:Seen it coming by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I can still have my fun, no?

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    18. Re:Seen it coming by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Just not true. Apple do not make hardware, they contract out second grade hardware, based upon other companies tweaked designs. This hardware they sold at above first grade prices for massive profit margins based upon quite disingenuous fashion styled marketing, their products became a fashion accoutrement rather than a technological device. This style of marketing inevitably collapses every single time, it is a fad by definition. So Apple price collapse, basically all tied down to those massive profit margins generated by selling second grade hardware at above first grade price because to keep up sales they have to drop prices to match the reality of their hardware and whoops there go those massive profit margins. With that product price drop goes their fashion exclusivity and of course people start to realise what fools they were and how they were scammed by Apple into paying way to much for way too little. Stop the Apple lies, where did those massive profit margins come from, from selling lower grade hardware at far higher prices than the rest of the market.

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  20. The iTunes UI sucks big time by master_p · · Score: 1

    I installed iTunes last week on my Windows PC in order to search for some iOS games I saw on Android...my God, the iTunes UI sucks a lot!!!

    First of all, the different areas of the Window are no longer cleanly separated. Trying to find where each UI element starts and stops was near impossible without mouse over.

    Secondly, the scroll bars appear only on mouse over. In order to scroll, I had to constantly move the mouse over the area to scroll in order to make the scroll bar appear.

    Thirdly, for some odd reason, scrolling lists in iTunes are horizontal.

    Forthly, I could not find where games were. I uninstalled iTunes, thinking that games were removed from it, but then after seeing that Apple still does not have their game catalog online, I had to install iTunes again. I then found out that iOS games are listed under the Apps section.

  21. Re:Hard Release Dates by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

    Sadly, this is not what happens in the real world. Software updates are often tied to other deadlines which are "set in stone," or at least enough so that no amount of complaining from the people doing the software will change them. What should result is a negotiated (perhaps reduced) set of functionality that might be decided literally at the last second, but that's OK, because it's agreed upon. What usually results instead is "buggy" software because these types of negotiations always take time and when they happen at the "last second" there is almost always someone left out of the loop.

    This is what happens in my industry, at least.

  22. Re:This coming from someone associated with Tumblr by kthreadd · · Score: 2

    He has not been involved with Tumblr since ca 2010 if I remember correctly.

  23. iCloud has NEVER worked for Pages by alispguru · · Score: 2

    When a Pages document in iCloud storage is open across multiple iOS/OSX devices, Pages routinely declares it can see multiple versions and can't decide which one it should keep. One of the options it offers you is to keep both of them, leaving you to manually look at both and figure out which one is the best. This happens even without simultaneous access, and edits often get distributed randomly between versions, requiring manual cut-and-paste merging.

    Apple should go to the Dropbox people, hat in hand, and say:

    Yes, Steve was a dick when he talked with you years ago. We don't want to acquire you - we want to hire you to host iCloud file storage. We want a cloud back end that Just Works, and cross-platform sharing will be a plus.

    I would pay for that service, in a heartbeat.

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  24. Partial solution by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

    Part of the solution would be for Apple to decouple application updates from operating system updates.

    I see no reason why a bug fix to Safari (of which there are plenty required) has to be delivered in the same way as an iOS update when they already have a perfectly good app updating mechanism (the App Store). Plus customers are used to apps updating frequently and automatically, adding Apple to the mix isn't going to be something strange for them.

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  25. You can have yearly releases by naasking · · Score: 1

    You can have yearly releases as long as you're willing to ruthlessly cut features that aren't sufficiently stable. If frequent updates are more important than features, then that's achievable.

    The problem would be if marketing had a hand in both direction AND quality control. That's the recipe for disaster.

  26. Not sure what to think by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, so I'm a Mac user, as well as being an IT guy who supports Mac, Windows, and Linux. In general, I don't think that I can say I've noticed anything like a "nosedive" in software quality. The quality of Apple's software has, over a long span of time, been relatively consistent. It's pretty solid and stable in most circumstances, doing most of the things that Apple users typically do, with some exceptions. At regular intervals, Apple decides they're going to improve something, and a bunch of things break for a while following a major release, and then most of it settles down and gets fixed. If you want a stable experience, don't upgrade to the newest major release until it's been out for a couple of months. Just like Windows, and a lot of other software.

    Then there are random inexplicable things. File sharing, for example. Apple decides they're going to standardize on SMB because it's faster and more widely used, which sounds like good news, right? Yeah, except that it's over a year later, and Apple's file sharing is still buggy. Apple's advice is to not use OSX with file servers. Similarly, they just can't seem to get their Mail application to be reliable. They keep rewriting these things, and every new rewrite has new problems. You wouldn't think email and file sharing would be such strange high-tech features that Apple's software engineers would be unable to handle it. But Apple has kind of always done that kind of thing.

    As far as the yearly release cycles, I don't see any reason why this should be a major concern. Having a yearly release cycle shouldn't be impossible to keep up with, as long as the changes for each release are not overly ambitious. For example, Apple could release OSX v10.11 next year, and it can basically be a maintenance release. No new features, just bug fixes and performance improvements. Their OS updates are free these days, so who's going to complain?

    1. Re:Not sure what to think by hattable · · Score: 2

      I think the big point of that is the no-cost of the rolling updates. Sure some things will lag behind, and others will stay up to par. Any enterprise solutions that work already should not see the Apple-method as a viable release path as those two product types have wildly different end users.

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    2. Re:Not sure what to think by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Any enterprise solutions that work already should not see the Apple-method as a viable release path as those two product types have wildly different end users.

      I don't think it's an issue of whether the solutions are "enterprise" or what kind of users they have. The point is that Apple is making money from the hardware, and not the software. To some degree, arguing about whether Apple should be releasing major updates annually is a bit like asking whether Sony should be providing major updates to the Playstation annually, or whether Google should be releasing new versions of Android, or whether Cisco should be releasing new firmware for its devices annually. Sort of. Not exactly. But the point is, they're software updates for a hardware product, where the vendor views the product as an integrated solution (hardware + software) rather than selling an OS product to be installed on commodity hardware. That's why the updates are free.

      So nobody should attempt this unless they're also really selling an integrated solution, and therefore aren't seeking to make money from software sales. Aside from that, it's largely an issue of marketing. What's the difference between 10.10.10 and 10.11.0? There doesn't need to be one. The same software can be released for either. The difference in version numbers can just be an issue of marketing.

      If you ask me, I'm fine with Apple doing an annual release. They should just continually work on improvements, and take all the improvements that are ready to be integrated in time for the release schedule, and call that next year's version. None of that has any connection with whether the "improvements" are actual worthwhile high-quality improvements.

    3. Re:Not sure what to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > I don't think that I can say I've noticed anything like a "nosedive" in software quality.

      I can confirm it with actual numbers. We have over fifty Mac Minis that are used for web servers and build servers running Jenkins. When we bought our first set of Minis, they were running Snow Leopard. We had systems lock-up maybe once a month. Because we had fifty, that comes out to a lock-up about once every four years of use! They were amazingly stable. We upgraded some of the systems to Yosemite and replaced about twenty of them with new Minis, and we now average almost two locks-up per day. They crash sixty times as often. Our boss made us document the downtime after management complained so I have written proof of the drastic drop in quality. OS X is pitiful compared to how good it used to be. It's so bad, despite being a cheap bastard, our owner has authorized us to buy new Dell rackmount servers to replace the Minis.

      To be fair, the load on most of these machines is >4 during the work day. We absolutely hammer them, but OS X used to be able to handle that.

    4. Re:Not sure what to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is not true at all. Apple sells them as servers. The previous server model had two harddrives and no DVD drive. The new ones don't have the second drive, but cost only $19.95 more. I've seen hundreds of them in data centers. OS X server version that comes on them is very nice.

    5. Re:Not sure what to think by antdude · · Score: 1

      This is why I never get the (new/lat)est stuff anymore. Costly, buggy, etc. Look, I use Debian stable, Windows XP Pro SP3, old stuff, etc. because they work for me what I need to do.

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    6. Re:Not sure what to think by nine-times · · Score: 1

      You might want to bite the bullet and move up to Windows 7. It's basically as stable as XP at this point, but it's still supported and gets patches.

      But honestly, I'm using Mac OSX Yosemite, and I have zero problems with it. I know it still has some problems, since random users that I support encounter those problems, but for most users, it'll be a good OS with good performance, and some new features that are actually useful. Even Windows 8 isn't so bad, once you figure out how to avoid using their modern/metro UI.

    7. Re:Not sure what to think by antdude · · Score: 1

      I will later on. I am fine with my very old hardware and software. When something blows up, then I will move on! I am not even making backups of OS drive. ;)

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    8. Re:Not sure what to think by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it's a software issue? If you are pushing your minis this hard and don't have sufficient cooling it could very well be that the hardware is shutting down because it's getting too hot....which would be true regardless of your OS choice. If you are doing something like this, a rack mounted server is a much better choice regardless of the OS.

    9. Re:Not sure what to think by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I wasn't thinking so much about "when something blows up" as "when you get hacked/infected". Though, I guess it's fine if you're not connected to the Internet...

    10. Re:Not sure what to think by Optic7 · · Score: 1

      Hi there, I'm a fellow IT guy and have a question about something you said:

      Apple decides they're going to standardize on SMB because it's faster and more widely used, which sounds like good news, right? Yeah, except that it's over a year later, and Apple's file sharing is still buggy. Apple's advice is to not use OSX with file servers.

      Do you have any links to Apple's recommendation to not use OSX with file server, especially SMB file servers? We have Mac users who have occasional issues with our Windows file servers, and it would be very handy to be able to reference that article.

      Thanks!

    11. Re:Not sure what to think by nine-times · · Score: 1

      No, sorry, I don't think I have official links. I once contacted Apple support because I was having lots of trouble with file sharing. Specifically, I was having a problem where Mac workstations were connecting to an SMB file server, and randomly, when opening files, Finder would crash and would not recover until you rebooted the workstation. It even seemed to happen when using AFP sometimes, but I wasn't able to verify that.

      When I talked to Apple support, they explained that the problem was caused by opening files while they were on a file server, and they could not help me because this was normal behavior. I asked how that was an acceptable response, given that file servers have been widely in use for a long time, and are a normal part of business computing. Their response was that their recommended procedure when working on a file server was to copy the file locally, and to work locally, and copy it back to the server when the work is complete. Even with simple/small file types (e.g. a small plain-text file), they do not in any way support opening a file while it's on a file server, and it is within expected behavior for the entire system to crash if you attempt to open a while located on a file server.

      I am not exaggerating. That's what Apple support told me. The tech then told me that Apple doesn't recommend the use of file servers for any kind of collaborative work, and if you intended to share documents with others, you should set up a document management system with document check-in, check-out, versioning. etc. He also told me that this was all very normal, and that no computers support working on files while they're on file servers.

    12. Re:Not sure what to think by Optic7 · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's some crazy stuff from them. Thanks for the response!

    13. Re:Not sure what to think by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I actually enjoy sharing this, since I'm hoping word will spread and they'll drop this policy. Because apparently this is Apple's policy, and it's not some random tech who's off the reservation. I had the tech escalate to their development department, and contacted another tech at Apple to confirm that this was their official policy. It all came back the same: Apple does not in any way support opening files on a file server.

    14. Re:Not sure what to think by Optic7 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, thanks for sharing, for sure. How recently did you speak to them? I will share this with others here too. I wish that this was more publicized.

    15. Re:Not sure what to think by nine-times · · Score: 1

      This whole thing was... I think it was in November.

    16. Re:Not sure what to think by Optic7 · · Score: 1

      Great, thanks again for your responses.

  27. Example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How about the SMB problem on Mavericks that has been around since it's release? ACL corruption, file corruption, and file deletion all caused by this problem. Apple has yet to fix it or even acknowledge that their rewrite of SMB has been a complete frak up from the beginning. 10.9.5, the last release in the 10.9.x series, still causes rampant SMB problems and Apple has abandoned it for what? Frakking Yosemite eye candy?

  28. It doesn't matter by brojamma · · Score: 1

    Apple has obviously produced many innovative products over the years... but they fell behind a while ago and part of the reason is because they can succeed regardless. Apple has done an excellent job of isolating themselves from the rest of the competition. The reason companies like Apple and Bose continue to thrive is not because they make great products (far from it) - it's because they market themselves as if they do and make it virtually impossible to make an accurate comparison. Bose always has their products displayed in a separate section of stores so that they cannot be compared to other speakers. Apple products have Apple OSes and only run approved software - they give the illusion of superiority. Another advantage is that most people who invest in Bose or Apple products do so because they believe they are the best - as a result, they were convinced before they even touched the product. It's like the ridiculous scam emails you receive from Nigeria - they are purposely worded poorly to weed out people too smart to fall for the scam. The people who buy Apple products appreciate things like the "Lightning" connector - they love gimmicks like "iPhone speaker docs" and were happy to run out and buy new ones when "Lightning" was released despite the fact that it makes a lot more sense to just stream via wireless. Apple sells $50 chargers like crazy and they are 98% profit - they made a killing by switching to a new, proprietary connector and complaints were minimal. The competition is forced to conform to standards - the people who buy non-Apple products often do so because they hate feeling like a sucker. The new iPhone finally introduces NFC, which has been available on Android for years, and locks it down to their own Apple Pay system - they market things so well that people see this as an "awesome feature" and even use it as an example of Apple's innovation. The bottom line is that anybody expecting too much out of Apple is going to be disappointed - they have already won and the free market has given them no reason to care about staying ahead of the curve. People camp out for days when the a iPhone is released - the rest of the market does all of the R&D for them and they already know what works and what doesn't. They have an insanely loyal customer base because they suck people into their world and it's difficult to get out (most people don't want out). They're the best because they tell you they are the best and they make it difficult to prove by changing the rules of the game. They get away with putting 1GB of RAM into the iPhone 6 while the new Android devices have to cram in 3GB to stay competitive - Apple has no real competition other than themselves. In a world where pennies per device can add up to billions of dollars the deck is still stacked. Some day they will collapse... but today people seem just as convinced as ever that Apple continues to revolutionize the tech world and they're more than happy to buy their overpriced, locked down hardware and proprietary accessories and software. Brainwashing is powerful stuff and most of the world really doesn't know that much about technology - they know what they're told and what they hear/read/etc - most people don't have a lot of time to think for themselves. At the end of the day these purchases really aren't that big of a deal to most people - they get excited for a few days and then use their devices for day-to-day work or entertainment - it's pretty much all the same crap. People love Apple, people love Beats by Dre, people love Bose (one of the pioneers of being successful cranking out overpriced, gimmicky junk) - marketing trumps quality every single time and you are seeing the masters at work. These guys don't want well-informed individuals buying their stuff - they want clueless people who are successful in other areas of life because they're influential all-around. Genius and proven. So talk about their nosedive in software quality... or the Mac Book Pros that are blowing up... or the new devices that barely improve upon the old ones... but as a company they know exactly what they're doing and they're doing just fine.

  29. Re:Thats not good by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

    Except for developers of applications who decide to make inexplicible design changes (cough AMAROK) where you dont have the expertise to fork, sure.

    Anyone feel like forking Gnome 2? It shouldnt be hard!

    By your logic, with a PC you dont have to put up with anyone's crap cause you can just write your own OS, SSL library, and browser from scratch! Yay, how productive!

  30. You just have to run faster than the other fellow by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    One thing in Apple's favor is that their primary competitor (still Microsoft) keeps doing so many things wrong with their software. I recently bought a Surface Pro (for the hardware, which is on par with Apple's in terms of quality design and manufature) and Windows 8.1 has managed to break so many of the things they'd finally gotten right in Vista 2.0 (Win7).

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  31. A result of the vacuum left by Jobs by sansprivacy · · Score: 1

    Jobs was a brilliant software architect. This legacy's remnants can still be found in the core of OSX. BeOS and OSX were great advancements in the software world. What is Apple's long term strategy for make new advancements in their core technology? Adding/iterating on layers on top of what already exists is great until a critical point is reached when your stretching your software to do things which was never intended in its initial design. What major innovation to its core software has Apple made since OSX and iOS were initially released? This article just adds another notch in argument that Apple is somewhat rudderless in the technology department. Apple needs to spend less time marketing and more time engineering technology.

    1. Re:A result of the vacuum left by Jobs by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs had nothing to do with BeOS. Steve was involved with NeXT. Gasee was involved with Macintosh development, who then left the company and wanted 200 million for BeOS so the board at Apple found it cheaper to buy NeXT and there was a doorway for Steve to return to Apple.

    2. Re:A result of the vacuum left by Jobs by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Jobs was a brilliant software architect.

      He was competent, but certainly not brilliant. What he was brilliant at was marketing.

    3. Re:A result of the vacuum left by Jobs by sansprivacy · · Score: 1

      Crap I meant NeXT..

  32. Coming from a developer of a crappy app.... by denguydj · · Score: 1

    He should talk.... Their own software his horrible. I have to load their site via safari just to use it or get any thing to load half the time. It crashes if you go full screen on a video and I cant get out of the screen with out going to the home screen then closing the app then scrolling all the way down to where I was. Its the buggiest iOS app I try to use....

  33. Security vs Stability by woodendogwonder · · Score: 1

    I updated to fix security vulnerabilities, but now I, too, encounter more bugs with old and new features.
    My favorite new bug: Last week, an incoming iPhone call caused my MacBook to play a ringtone to indicate that the call was available for Handoff transfer. The call went to voicemail but my MacBook kept playing the ringtone, for one hour, before I realized what was going on and canceled the notification. My phone had been sitting 1 foot away from the MacBook the entire time, yet some sloppiness in the Handoff protocol, combined with lack of fault correction like software timeout on the MacBook, caused my computer to play a ringtone for an hour while waiting for user input.
    My favorite old bug: Yesterday I experienced a repeatable application crash while creating new appointments in the OS X Calendar program.
    Two years ago I received a personal follow-up for my detailed bug report in iPhoto. Now, the Apple bug report forms are outdated such that it is sometimes impossible to submit a bug for the latest version of released software.
    Simplicity is the essence of design. Simplicity in design implies a tractable set of unit tests. Apple's quality control is lacking.

  34. Tim Cook is an MBA by catchblue22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More evidence for my hypothesis that MBA managers are driving the American economy into the ground. Contrast him with Steve Jobs who was not an MBA. He brought the company back from the edge, after being destroyed by another MBA, Jim Sculley.

    If you want a strong perspective against MBA's, I recommend reading John Ralston Saul's "The Unconscious Civilization" . Here is part of a summary of his arguments against MBA's:

    They fear all the most effective qualities of capitalism itself (risk, innovation). “No matter how badly the MBAs are doing, they just go on hiring clones of themselves.” They preach capitalist ideology, but only simulate it through unproductive preoccupations like mergers and acquisitions. Their incomes skyrocket, the economy founders, the middle class erodes.

    They profit by flipping between nationalization and privatization; “an unnecessary move in either direction merely makes money for the political friends of the party in power”. Privatization of government functions is foolish, as business is better suited to fuelling real growth.

    Contrast this with real innovators like Elon Musk, who has created disruptive companies in four separate sectors (banking, transportation, space launching, and energy production). Please note that he is NOT an MBA and openly says that he disagrees with their methods.

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    This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
    1. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by jasonla · · Score: 2

      People have been saying MBA's are worthless for a while. Look at this http://content.time.com/time/m... Key quote from the article: "Lutz says, we need to fire the M.B.A.s and let engineers run the show."

    2. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by RandCraw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's a wonderful article "The Case Against Credentialism" by James Fallows in the The Atlantic (1985) which reads as if it were written today: http://www.theatlantic.com/edu...

      It assesses professional degrees like MBAs as being inherently worth next to nothing, essentially serving a broken agenda in which our highly credentialed leaders know everything about form but nothing about function. Maybe virtual expertise is enough to govern a virtual world?

      Too bad the US political parties didn't read this prior to the 2000 election. Maybe the would have fielded worthier candidates (and staff), and the US could have saved about a million lives and a few trillion bucks). Such is the cost of driving under the influence, I guess.

    3. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by catchblue22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sigh. You kids today...

      Alas. I didn't have time to check the name and now my entire argument is refuted. Oh wait.

      A short history on JOHN Sculley can be found here. Of note:

      In the early 1990s, Sculley led Apple, at enormous expense, to port its operating system to run on a new microprocessor, the PowerPC. Sculley later acknowledged such an act was his greatest mistake, indicating that he should instead have targeted the dominant Intel architecture.[24] After a bad first quarter in 1993, Apple's board forced Sculley out.[25] He was replaced by German-born Michael Spindler, who had been Chief Operating Officer, who was also ousted a year later.[26]

      Sculley did not have technical expertise. He pivotal strategic technical decisions such as described above without the expertise to do so. He didn't understand that using a mature UNIX foundation would allow his company to port the operating system (relatively) easily and quickly from one processor to another. This is exactly what Jobs did. It allowed him to (relatively) smoothly port OSX from PowerPC to Intel to ARM. In my opinion, this was Job's most important technical decision and it is what allowed Apple to become successful again.

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    4. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      People have been saying MBA's are worthless for a while. Look at this http://content.time.com/time/m... Key quote from the article: "Lutz says, we need to fire the M.B.A.s and let engineers run the show."

      And yet, I think the problem is still there, in spite of the work MBA's have done on their "branding". Exhibit (A) is Tim Cook with corroborating evidence to be found in TFA.

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      This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
    5. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by unixisc · · Score: 1

      To be fair, at the time, UNIX was quite a closed OS, and while Apple did have a UNIX offering for servers - A/UX, it was not cheap and not something they could have sold to the average Mac user. Linux was nowhere around, and the BSD lawsuits were still ongoing - so there was no FreeBSD/NetBSD or any of that that they could play w/.

      What Jobs and NeXT were doing was very different. They were in the workstation business, making development platforms. They took Mach 2.5, combined it w/ BSD accordingly licensed from the owners, put it on a cute looking black cube which was otherwise terribly underpowered, and sold that. NEXTSTEP only looked like it might have a future when it was ported to more appropriate CPU platforms, like HP PA-RISC and Sun SPARC, in addition to PCs. But PowerPC was not among the supported platforms, so it took a while to make OS-X, by which time, Apple had ceded a huge portion of the market to Wintel.

      While NEXTSTEP was portable, UNIX wasn't - there were big differences b/w the various UNIXes, besides the platform they were on: one couldn't easily target Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, Ultrix, Irix and all of those at the same time, due to differences b/w the various implementations (BSD vs System V, OSF vs USL, et al). NEXTSTEP was different in that it had the same base platform (at a source level) for all the CPUs it targeted - 68k, x86, HP/PA, SPARC and ultimately PPC. But even then, for the last, Apple took forever to get OS-X on to replace System 9.

    6. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Apple failed at the time b'cos they kept vacillating b/w different OS options - at one time, they were thinking of Taligent's Pink, then it was Copeland, to be followed by Gershwin, then there was the possibility of BeOS... They did the transition to the PowerPC all right, although that move failed to get any marketshare from Intel: all it did was cannibalize Motorola's 68k CPUs. But having done the CPU platform right, Apple failed to follow through w/ an OS strategy that made sense. They then got into the policy of allowing Mac clones, which didn't help, since Power Computing ate their lunch. Ultimately, the acquisition of NEXT happened and even after that, it would be a while before Apple had its OS story in order.

    7. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      The true problems come when the people in charge don't balance everything properly. If Lutz got what he wanted and GM was run by the engineers... You'd get entire product lines of Pontiac Aztec clones. Great camping vehicle, but it looks like somebody replaced your glasses with a steaming load of diarrhea.

      Actually I have an actual counterexample to your assertion. Elon Musk is as close to an engineer CEO as you can get. As head of Tesla, they have produced the Model S, which is fairly widey acknowledged as a triumph of engineering. Its high end model goes from 0 to 60mph in 3.2 seconds and is the fastest accelerating mass produced fo

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    8. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      Grrrrrr...stupid accidental touchpad click wipes out part of my post. To continue ...fastest accelerating mass produced four door sedan ever. Doesn't sound like an Aztek to me.

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      This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
    9. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by vux984 · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, this was Job's most important technical decision and it is what allowed Apple to become successful again.

      Perhaps; and its equally probable he had no idea it was any more or less feasiblbe than using rabbits as power supplies. Jobs was a lot of things, but technical was NOT one of them.

      He may well have made the right decision... or he may have just made the decision to use a 'mature unix' foundation, because it was basically just reusing his baby from NeXT (and we all remember how that company was taking the PC world by storm right? =scoffs=)

      It worked out brilliantly for him and made Mac's relevant again. But if you think for a second it was because Jobs had an ounce of technical expertise or made the decision based on the processor portability of a unix core your high as kite. If NeXT had been using AmigaOS as its foundation, OSX would probably be sitting on that.

    10. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      A/UX, it was not cheap and not something they could have sold to the average Mac user.
      That is nonsense. It was rather cheap considering standards at that time (~ $1000) and was sold to everyone (who wanted it).

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    11. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      An MBA is just a document that says you know how to run a business

      An MBA is just a document that says you know how to get a document.

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    12. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by catchblue22 · · Score: 4, Informative

      He may well have made the right decision... or he may have just made the decision to use a 'mature unix' foundation, because it was basically just reusing his baby from NeXT (and we all remember how that company was taking the PC world by storm right? =scoffs=)

      Jobs personally spearheaded NeXT with a small group of engineers. He knew exactly what he was doing. I remember him talking about NeXTStep and he openly boasted about its portability and high degree of hardware abstraction. He tried to sell this idea to other software companies but no one bit. It is no coincidence that OSX is so portable. It is by design.

      You seem to imply that if someone is not a coding ninja, then they have nothing to contribute to software. I strongly disagree with this. Job's strength was that he saw the broad arcs of software design. He realized that simplicity and cleanness was key to good software, to maintainable software, to portable software. He realized that if software was not written properly at its earliest stages, it would remain inherently flawed no matter how much it was maintained.

      It is no coincidence that Jobs made his best software when he was working with a small team of engineers. This is how he created NeXT. And this is how he created the original iPhone.

      As for your comment on NeXT, well it became OSX, so it was in the end extremely successful. And another little thing came of of NeXT workstations. Tim Berners Lee first implemented hypertext on a NeXT workstation...that was the beginning of the web as we know it today. If you had every used an NeXT workstation (as I did), you would realize that the cleanness and elegance of the OS likely had a lot to do with Tim Berner Lee's invention. There was simply nothing like it at the time.

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    13. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by fatwilbur · · Score: 1

      More evidence for my hypothesis that MBA managers are driving the American economy into the ground. Contrast him with Steve Jobs who was not an MBA.

      Sorry, I disagree and especially with the comment below about MBAs being worthless. Both of you simply misunderstand what it is for - it is an education in business administration which frankly has nothing to do with the entrepreneurial and leadership skills of someone like Elon Musk. They are simply trained in how to manage business of a large size in today's economic climate.

      I definitely agree having an MBA or not has absolutely no bearing on whether you're a good leader like Elon Musk, nor do I think it's good having one long term in the CEO seat, because as your quote states, they mostly manage to status quo. I guarantee although Musk isn't an MBA, he does hire them to run parts of his businesses.

      It's unfortunate MBAs get that perception, though it may be well earned since management positions can have a real adverse effect on a lot of people's lives when poorly filled. But really, it's just a technical skill set like any other, accounting for example - we wouldn't automatically expect accountants to be wizard CEOs of billion dollar companies.

    14. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by fatwilbur · · Score: 1

      I'll add to this - the best MBAs are usually (I dare say nearly always) who go back later in life. Usually it's after starting or working your way up a large business, through great leadership, then all of a sudden they realize they don't know how to handle the day to day of a hundred people reporting to them, hence the need for training which is an MBA.

      It's a lot like Law that way I think - if you get the education before having some real world miles under your belt, you just become an egotistical asshole.

    15. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by vux984 · · Score: 1

      He knew exactly what he was doing.

      Making cube shaped cases and using black when everyone else was using beige...?

      I kid of course, but Jobs really wasn't that technical. I don't dispute that he saw the merits of portability or hardware abstraction,

      It is by design.

      Sure the design of BSD and of Mach.

      He tried to sell this idea to other software companies but no one bit.

      He tried to sell the NeXT as a platform. No one was biting on that.

      You seem to imply that if someone is not a coding ninja, then they have nothing to contribute to software. I strongly disagree with this.

      Not at all. Jobs contributed a great deal to the software, just not at the technical level.

      He realized that simplicity and cleanness was key to good software, to maintainable software, to portable software.

      Wow.

      a) Jobs beleived that "simplicity and cleanness" was key to pretty much absolutely everything; at the expense of functionality, even at times at the expense of usability or rational sense.

      He realized that if [X] was not done properly at its earliest stages, it would remain inherently flawed no matter how much it was maintained.

      Everyone who is even peripherally involved with software or hardware or engineering or plumbing or dentistry or shoe repair knows this. I'll give Jobs credit for being a perfectionist, and sticking to his guns on keeping things clean where others would let features and clutter creep in and that was a gift of his... but everybody knows this.

      It is no coincidence that Jobs made his best software when he was working with a small team of engineers.

      This is also pretty much true of everyone everywhere.

      As for your comment on NeXT, well it became OSX,

      I suppose it did. But really ANY BSD or even Linux could have formed the foundation of OSX.

      im Berners Lee first implemented hypertext on a NeXT workstation...that was the beginning of the web as we know it today.

      Hypertext was conceived and implemented years before by others. And even Tim Berners-Lee implemented hypertext years before the NeXT was released.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Its true that CERN httpd was first implemented on a NeXT; but crediting Steve Jobs NeXT for the web is as ridiculous as crediting the vision of Bill Gate's MS-DOS for Doom and the modern FPS genre.

      If you had every used an NeXT workstation

      I did actually. The university I attended had a lab of them; and I had programming courses assigned on them; but can't remember what I did. I remember the screens were markedly higher resolution than what I had at home but were black and white and the optical mice with their special mouse pads were obnoxious. :)

      They were neat though.

      There was simply nothing like it at the time.

      Take a look at old screenshots of IRIX,. Even "4D1 3.0" released in 1988 (same as NeXT) was sitting on UNIX System V with the 4Sight windows system based on NeWS (a postscript windowing system and IRIS GL).

      NeXT was definitely pretty cutting edge, but it wasn't alone there.

    16. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by doccus · · Score: 1

      As opposed to Steve Jobs, who was not an MBA, but a dreamer. But with money. Nothing is going to upset the apple cart (pun intended) as fast as a dreamer with money, and the success of the Apple 2 made it possible. They nearly lost it all , too, with the Lisa.. but that experience and UI design went to good use with the Mac. As far as John Sculley.. ("d'ya want to make sugar water all the rest of your life?") Steve did admit "what can I say, I made a mistake"..but despite Sculley's disastrous leadership, IMHO, no, had he not gotten turfed we'd have had no "Next", therefore no OSX, and no post 1998 Apple rebound. And had he not returned, we'd probably had the return of Jean Luis Gassee, one of the the Sculley era Apple contemporaries (He was CEO of Apple France) who, along with Spindler, were mainly responsible for Apple's slide into the bargain bins of the department stores. And, not content with nearly running BeOS into the ground, he would have returned to Apple and done the same thing to it. I'm not saying that the Be OS wouldn't have been a wonderful basis for the new Apple Operating system. For several years I was a diehard devotee of Be (well, less than 2 years, actually, as it died hard and suddenly) With BeOS underpinnings, however, there's no question MacOS would have retained the "friendly" aura it always had with the classic desktop, and in all probability would even look the same, and even run the same apps but with more stability.. kind of like what A/UX promised but never really delivered. Actually, it makes me now wonder if Haiku has reached the practical daily user stage for an OS. Naw.. probably still not... Now if it can go a couple of weeks without my rebooting into MS or Apple.. or linux.. well..."that'll be the day. that I say good-bye" ;-)

    17. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, the plug got pulled on A/UX by default when Apple did the migration from the 68k to the PowerPC. For UNIX, they just used AIX (and later, I think, MkLinux), while they ported System 7 to the PowerPC.

      The A/UX team couldn't have produced the next generation OS, since they were SVR3 UNIX, running System 7 apps via compatibility layers. NEXTSTEP, OTOH, was ported to 3 platforms by the time the merger happened.

    18. Re:Tim Cook is an MBA by unixisc · · Score: 1

      BeOS would have been a good basis for the Mac clone market: when NEXT got acquired, I was hoping that BeOS would become the default OS for Power Computing, Motorola and UMAX, the 3 vendors who made them. Too bad that both BeOS, and OS/2-PPC died too soon.

  35. WRONG! by slashmydots · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Apple's hardware today is amazing — it has never been better."
    BULLSHIT! from 2007 to 2009 they were #1 in least failures in laptops. Now they're beat by ASUS, Toshiba, MSI, Samsung, and Sony. They're 6th place in quality! SIXTH! Guess which place they are in price vs speed. I'll give you a hint: Fujitsu and Avatar beat them.

    1. Re:WRONG! by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't make laptops either, the fabrication is outsourced to companies like foxconn. Yet, there is a Sony logo on my laptop.

  36. Release on Marketing's Schedule by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

    What ever happened to the "we'll release when it's ready" approach to product development?

    Oh...that's right...stockholders and their never ending quest for higher stock prices and profits and using customers as their QA department to cut costs.

    But, it's not limited to just public companies. My favorite development environment (which I won't name as it's not relevant), went down the tubes for the longest time. It took a near-death experience for them to realize that they needed to get back to the "ship it when it's ready" mentality. They still have issues, but they are improving. Just wish the cost of the next major "upgrade" wouldn't cost me another vital organ donation.

    1. Re:Release on Marketing's Schedule by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Yes, this latest fad (or at least I hope that it's a fad) of rolling releases is doing great harm to the quality of software being released as a whole by the industry. It's also causing all kinds of other problems both technical and in terms of user experience. This approach can't die fast enough.

  37. Unconvinced by Alrescha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have used Apple software since the early 00s. Like any software, there have always been bugs. There always will be.

    I have had no more problems (and possibly less) with Yosemite and iOS 8 than with any other release. Those who use words like 'nosedive' either have short memories or are in need of clicks.

    Let us recall the software update of a decade ago that erased every external drive with a space in the volume name - and let us be happy that things like that do not happen any more.

    A.

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    1. Re:Unconvinced by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      I have used Apple software since the early 00s. Like any software, there have always been bugs. There always will be.

      I have had no more problems (and possibly less) with Yosemite and iOS 8 than with any other release. Those who use words like 'nosedive' either have short memories or are in need of clicks.

      Let us recall the software update of a decade ago that erased every external drive with a space in the volume name - and let us be happy that things like that do not happen any more.

      A.

      I spent last weekend doing a factory reset on my phone and my wife's phone. Why? I tried to add my niece's new mp3 to my phone so I could listen. Lost all my music, got it back by full reinstall.

  38. Re:Wrong way round by Nutria · · Score: 1

    If you want a repairable computer with a separate chip for every application, I have a coal plant to sell you

    Or an original IBM PC/XT. All the chips were socketed, and every IO device (except maybe the KB) required it's own card on the ISA bus.

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  39. Two concrete examples: by FellowConspirator · · Score: 5, Informative

    iWork and iLife.

    After iWork '09, the iWork applications had very little in the way of updates, but the Keynote and Pages applications were very capable. Pages didn't have all the features of Microsoft Word, but the typography and page layout capabilities were exceptional in comparison, and users had a fairly clear list of improvements that they suggested - mostly improvements to mail merge, tables-of-contents, footnoting, indenting, and creating indices. Keynote was excellent. Numbers was simply not what people expected from a spreadsheet and it had the most suggestions for improvements. However, by and large the apps were quite good and a bargain.

    iWork '13 destroyed everything that made the iWork applications great. Not only did the UI regress, but the feature set, rather than meeting user requests / expectations, jettisoned swathes of functionality - in exchange for compatibility with iCould and the web version. The highly usable productivity software became a Google Docs wannabe overnight. Worse, the old version ceased to be available. Subsequently, improvements to iWork have included no restoration of the functionality of the product, but changes in the file format (that introduce incompatibilities with older versions). iWork took a nosedive.

    iLife hasn't fared much better. iLife originally included GarageBand, iMovie, and iDVD for creating DVDs (with menus, title graphics, scene previews, and control over flow between menus - simple, but functional). iDVD is gone. Even Apple's "pro" video tools no longer support similar functionality to what iDVD provided in 2009 -- there is nothing available that can claim the same function, and you can no longer obtain the abandoned software. GarageBand has some added instruments and lessons, but at the loss of their video / podcast scoring and advanced podcast authoring capabilities. The filters are now more primitive and skewed specifically towards guitars (why?). iMovie has gone through various iterations of UI and library management changes that make moving between versions confusing and it focuses on iCloud and iMovie Theater - features almost completely unused because of their awkward implementation and storage requirements (particularly in iCloud) that are ridiculous.

    Aperture, their prosumer photo database and editing app, is about to be jettisoned and replaced with an upgraded iPhoto with many of the most professional and workflow-related features of Aperture removed. Aperture will no longer be available afterward. In effect, their ceding this software to Adobe's Lightroom and their subscriber-based pay-to-play model.

    A lot of people will also probably bitch about Final Cut Pro X, Motion, Compressor, and those video tools. However, I think Apple is doing OK there. They released FCPX prematurely - they needed to wait until they got FCP7 project importing working, but the changes they made were really necessary. Where they have failed is the workflow and integration points of FCPX - Motion - Compressor, and they've dropped the ball on creating optical media. There was also still some room to keep Shake in the mix.

    I don't worry too much about things like Apple ID as that's more or less par-for-the-course for that sort of service these days. Nobody does it much better. However, I chafe at the idea that they are spending so much development money, time, and effort on that dog called 'iCloud'. It's a disaster of a service and it's dragging down their productivity software.

    1. Re:Two concrete examples: by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      iWork and iLife.

      Kinda, sorta, but not really.

      Let's add iTunes and Final Cut Pro to the mix as well.

      What happened with all those products is their codebase was basically abandoned and restarted from scratch - either because it got too complex after growing organically for years.

      So all your examples basically refer to the "old" versions (iLife 09 vs. current, iWork 09 vs. current) and the "new" versions out right now. But they're actually two completely different codebases.

      As is typical for Apple (this has been going on for decades), when Apple rewrites an app, their first few versions are generally of lower quality and has less features and more bugs. You want a modern example? Take OS X - 10.0 was barely usable - it was sluggish, it was missing basic features (DVD player, anyone? This took 2 years before it reappeared!) that were in the cruddy, crumbling MacOS Classic. Basically yeah, you could run OS X, but really sticking with the tried and true was better.

      10.2 is considered perhaps the first usable version of OS X where it was basically feature complete. It was also the last of the early OS X series where the updates were free (10.1 and 10.2 were free upgrades from 10.0 for early adopters). 10.3 was a paid update and brought immense improvements,

      So yeah, every time Apple rewrites the code, the rewritten code is always feature-incomplete with even basic features missing, it's completely buggy and is barely usable.

      It's no surprise iWork, iLife, iTunes (11 was new), FCP, etc., they all were the same. Hell, in FCP's case, Apple decided the restart selling FCP because so many people complained about FCPX. It's been a few years since FCPX has been released and things have settled down some - you see filmmakers who didn't go through the early versions of FCPX use it nowadays. But the early days were dicey.

      Apple's rewrites are generally crap initially - you got to give them 2-4 years before they stabilize and reach feature parity with the old version. Hell, iTunes 11 took a few versions to get back in the game and there are more than a few who didn't watch to use iTunes 11 for a while despite it actually working a lot better.

  40. Jailbreaking mandatory by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's silly how mandatory it feels to jailbreak. Even with jailbreaks, it's a lot of work to restore ios to even its previous GRAPHIC level. You know a company is hostile towards its users when it utterly deletes a successful theme with zero user choice.

    The real standout is the strange little gray shading that appeared on all my backgrounds. A picture of a sunny day became overcast. A portrait became ludicrous. What went wrong with backgrounds betwixt 6 and 7? Not only did we lose the ability to set a background without a strange gradient appearing (sometimes, it is internally based on the brightness of your background), which is entirely without purpose (some hypothesize it would be there to make the clock easier to read, but not only is it present when you are on your home screen, it is present even if that background is NEVER set to appear when the clock is visible, so, it assuredly has zero purpose except customer griefing), but we ALSO lost the ability to even pinch and zoom the background properly.

    The workaround is a set of wallpaper editing apps that duplicate the pinch and zoom work that was free in ios 6 and part of the interface, combined with a jailbreak, then winterboard, then a mod for winterboard that removes the gradient (alternatively, you can jailbreak, then go into the files and delete the gradient .PNG files that ruin all your shit).

    And that's just raw presentation. Functionality appears to appear and disappear at random. Each upgrade takes hours of research about whether to press the "go" button, and it just feels so temporary, like I'm renting the functionality.

  41. last 4 major releases ipfw broken by tomxor · · Score: 1

    One of the bigger reasons i'm stuck not wanting to upgrade from 10.6: kernel panics via ipfw when using sshuttle. I need shuttle and would rather not use a shitty VPN protocol to slow down my already slow 3Mbit connection so i'm stuck with 10.6 before they broke ipfw.

    On top of that: basically all the author said, 10.6 reflected what Apple used to be focused on for software, it was the only major release to focus on non-feature based improvements, ever since then each update brings features i have no interest in and only seem to fragment current features, then also degrade the rest of the experience by bloat and bugs.

  42. I think this is pretty much it. by aussersterne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In terms of revenue, Apple is following the money. iOS has made Apple the wealthy powerhouse that it is today, not OS X. They don't want to lose the installed base or be perceived as just a phone company; OS X gets them mindshare and stickiness in certain quarters that matter (i.e. education and youth) for future iOS revenue.

    But they don't actually want to invest much in it; it's increasingly the sort of necessary evil that is overhead, so it makes sense for them to shift to an iOS-led company. In the phone space, where the consumer upgrade cycle is tied to carrier contracts and upgrade cycles, it's important to have "new and shiny" every single year; consumers standing in AT&T shops are fickle people that are easily swayed by displays and sales drones that may or may not know anything about anything.

    So the marketing rationale at Apple is (1) follow the revenue, which is mobile and iOS, (2) do what is necessary to stay dominant there, which means annual release cycles at least, and (3) reduce the cost of needed other business wings as much as possible so as to focus on core revenue competencies without creating risk, which means making OS X follow iOS.

    It makes perfect business sense in the short and medium terms. In the long term, it's hard to see what effect it will have. It's entirely possible that they could wind down the OS X business entirely and remain dominant and very profitable as a result of their other product lines. It's also possible that poor OS X experiences and the loss of the "high end" could create a perception problem that affects one of their key value propositions, that of being "high end," and that will ultimately also influence their mobile sales down the road in negative ways as a result.

    I'm a Linux switcher (just over five years ago now) that was tremendously frustrated with desktop Linux (and still dubious about its prospects) after using Linux from 1993-2009, but that has also in the last couple of months considered switching back. I switched to OS X largely for the quality of the high-end applications and for the more tightly integrated user experience. Now the applications business is struggling (the FCP problem, the Aperture events, the joke that is the iOS-synchronized iWork suite) and third-party applications have declined in quality (see: MS Office on OS X these days) as other developers have ceded the central applications ground to Apple. Meanwhile, the user experience on iOS remains sound but on OS X it has become rather less so as a result of the iOS-centricity of the company.

    What to do? I've considered a switch back to Linux, but the Linux distros I've tried out in virtual machines have been underwhelming to me; the Linux desktop continues, so far as I can tell, to be in a worse state for my purposes than it was in 2008. I have no interest in Windows (I have Win7 and Win8 installations in VMs for specific applications, and even in a VM window they make me cringe; just complete usability nightmares).

    It's a frustrating time for desktop users in general, I think; the consumer computing world has shifted to mobile/embedded devices and taken most of the labor, attention, and R&D with it. The desktop, needed by those of us that do productive computing work, has been left to languish on all fronts. It's completely rational in many ways at the macroeconomic level, but at the microeconomic level of individual workers and economic sectors, it's been a disaster.

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    1. Re:I think this is pretty much it. by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      (1) follow the revenue, which is mobile and iOS, (2) do what is necessary to stay dominant there, which means annual release cycles at least

      Why does iOS and mobile need annual release cycles? Most other mobile manufacturers have phone releases randomly - sometimes 3 in a month, sometimes one in 3 months. Having a low frequency release cycle has helped Apple cut out customer confusion - but strictly an annual release cycle may not have anything to do with it. A inter-release time of 9 months to 30 months would do as much good as a strictly annual release. Anyway the agenda of Apple events is "strictly confidential".

      The other mobile manufacturers have also kind of hopped on to annual release bandwagon - e.g. the Samsung Note , or Samsung Galaxy S series. But not Samsung as a whole, and it is not clear strictly annual cycle is helping these series either. A Galaxy S user would as easily switch to Galaxy Grand - as he would switch to next Galaxy S phone. Even switching to some HTC phone is not a big deal.

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    2. Re:I think this is pretty much it. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I should read the rest of your comment, but this really ... irked me:

      In terms of revenue, Apple is following the money.

      Following the money is a stupid idea. Do you know when they started making money? When they started offering a powerful and usable Unix based computer. People, like me, wanted that. Do you know when they started making INSANE amounts of money? When they offered a device that would replace multiple devices: the iPhone. Why did I buy one? It was a phone, which I needed, and a music player, which I wanted. It could also do a few other neat things at the time but nothing to write home about.

      Chasing the money? They lost mine. The things that maximize their profits are not the things I want or need. I am the one who was giving them money. Now, I am not. They are not making things that I want or need. Sure, there is some value in maximizing your revenue but the focus needs to be on providing something that customers want to give you money for. DRM, lock-in, buggy software, etc are not things that customers want or need. It will only maximize profits in the short term; although Microsoft seems to have done fairly well monetarily speaking. Hm. I guess Microsoft is the counterpoint to my argument. Fuck it. I am done. When evil wins, we all lose.

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  43. Re:OS X is just not reliable any longer by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    As a user of OSX, Windows 8, and Linux I have to say:

    They're all doing pretty well in the stability department.

    I remember the days of Windows hell. I remember pre-OSX Mac, and I've had my share of weird Linux issues. OS X has taken a major nose-dive with Yosemite - I recommend staying on Mavericks. As far as Windows is concerned get over your Start Button issues and just deal with the new interface, it's not that bad and you might like it if you get used to it. As far as Linux is concerned - stop being afraid of it and give it a shot - it's actually easier to keep up to date than Windows is! (though Windows is catching up)

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  44. "Why should old apps break?" by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why should old apps break in the new OS?

    Exactly. Windows is famous for doing this. I have to rewrite my viruses, trojans, and worms each time they release a new version of Windows. Why can't those assholes maintain binary backward compatibility? I mean, what's *ACTUALLY* stopping UEFI from having been designed so that my MBR + TSR virus couldn't still run on modern hardware? Are these guys idiots or something?!?!?

  45. Same with mobile devices by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Time was they were trend setters. While the iPhone wasn't the first smart phone, by a long shot, it was the first one that got real regular consumer popularity. Also while the iPad didn't invent tablets, it made tablets something to own and defined what they'd be.

    However now they are getting beat on features left right and center. That amazin' new iPhone 6+? Ya it's 2011 calling, something about a "Galaxy Note". Samsung was rolling out their 4th generation large screen phone by the time Apple decided one was good to make. Apple can't claim to be a mobile leader anymore. They are a player for sure, but others are being first to market with new features.

    Never mind design flaws that were made for aesthetics (the antenna that failed when you grabbed it, the 6+'s bending too easily, etc).

    They are all about making shiny, fashionable, devices and charging a massive premium for them. That's fine, I guess, if that's what you like, but don't try and sell it as something amazing.

  46. I've never gotten the thin obsession by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    While a thin device is nice, we've already gotten past the "don't care" point, as you note. My Samsung Note 3 makes me perfectly happy, doesn't need to be any thinner. And it has a removable cover so I can replace the battery. I'll take a slightly thicker device if it means I can get at the battery, since that dies long before the rest.

  47. MacBook Amateur laptop won't charge below 5C by slashbart · · Score: 1

    My wifes Macbook Amateur laptop won't charge when the machine is below some 5 degrees C or so. It will run from the mains adapter, but the battery refuses to charge. We have to warm up the laptop (by playing a computer game for instance) before it starts charging. It actually has some sort of message in the status icon of the battery about this. This for a machine aimed at traveling professionals.

    So much for Professional high quality hardware. Although it did survive a drop from 1.5 meter onto the tarmac. But so did my Sony Vaio; and that charges just fine at the same temperature.

    Also, the wifi of the Mac sucks, compared to the Vaio, and a Samsung Galaxy Note. It's not stable, and far less sensitive.

    I will not buy more Mac hardware, nor the Vaio actually (heat issues). Lenovo looks promising.

  48. Re:This coming from someone associated with Tumblr by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The horribly useless comment system on Tumblr is his design I believe. If there was something before it, I shudder at the thought of what would be worse than the current system. It makes Slashdot Beta look like Slashdot Classic. I've found more useful information in Youtube comments than on Tumblr. Do we really need a whole line for every single person who ever liked or relinked or appreciated some post?

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  49. So why is this taking more than a day to solve? by tlambert · · Score: 1

    I run Linux Mint on my MB Pro. The only complaint I have is that the camera is non-functional (there's active work on solving this in the community, though), but I've been quite happy with it otherwise.

    sorry to ask the obvious, but... So why is this taking more than a day to solve?

    Method A:
    (1) Put the Apple Camera driver in IDA Pro
    (2) Disassemble it to see what it does
    (3) Do what it does

    Method B:
    (1) Throw a logic analyzer on the camera connector
    (2) See what the host pokes
    (3) Poke the camera the same way

    Method C:
    (1) Set up two machine kernel debugging
    (2) Build a kernel that does early entry debugger (there's a place to uncomment in bsd_init.c)
    (3) Set breakpoints
    (4) Step through the load of the camera driver initialization
    (5) Step through the camera driver operations you want to be able to duplicate
    (6) Do the same things

    Even if it's downloading a wad of firmware to the camera, this should be pretty blatantly obvious from any of these three methods, and if you have a Mac, you obviously have a license for Mac OS, and therefore a license to use the blob.

    Is it just that no one who can do this care about the camera working?

    1. Re:So why is this taking more than a day to solve? by XXeR · · Score: 1

      sorry to ask the obvious, but... So why is this taking more than a day to solve?

      To be honest I haven't even tried. The camera is a nice to have for me, not a must have. Feel free to offer your suggestions and/or code to the project here:

      https://github.com/patjak/bcwc...

    2. Re:So why is this taking more than a day to solve? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      It's actually somewhat easier and harder.

      A: someone could go the blob route, but this conflicts with the "spirit" of OSS.

      B: This assumes someone working on Linux/Debian/Ubuntu/Mint is both interested in Mac hardware and has a logic analyzer and knows how to use it.

      C: This partially goes back to A, but should be doable, assuming you've got two Macs. This is the method I assume someone will eventually do.

      But this brings us to the standard method...

      D: Someone looks up the part number and goes to the manufacturer for the specs, and then writes a driver against them.

      Apple uses a few different hardware designs, but it seems to me that their actual fabricator probably makes some knockoff variants using some of the same chipsets. Also, Apple makes Windows drivers as well as OS X drivers for the iSight, so this means it's even easier to test what's what.

      But I'm not going to be the one to do it; I've poked at the iSight once as mine stopped working for a short time, and that once was enough to show me that it's not a standard set of USB drivers (yes, there are multiple drivers that drive multiple parts of the iSight logic and hardware -- remember, that little light isn't hard-wired into the camera function, and the audio is separate, but on OS X linked to how the iSight driver handles the video).

  50. Opposite problem? by tlambert · · Score: 1

    I gave my iPhone to my daughter and bought a Nexus 5 precisely because getting the operating system (iOS 7 at that point) was just one big piece of suckage [...]

    I had exactly the opposite problem with Android [...]

    You didn't hate your daughter enough to give her "one big piece of suckage" and take the good stuff for yourself?

    1. Re:Opposite problem? by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

      [...] your daughter [...] one big piece of suckage" and [...] good stuff [...]

      Hey now... there's no need to start hurling insults around!

  51. They have their eyes on the wrong competitor by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    Their main competitor in the personal computing space is Microsoft. Their main competitor in the much bigger mobile device space is Samsung. And right now, Samsung is devouring them with their Galaxy line of phones, tablets, and smart watches.

  52. Legacy Support by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    A big problem with MacOSX and iOS is legacy support. Apple is abandoning compatibility with older software and even older hardware which is perfectly capable of handling the computational demands of the newer software. This in turn is destroying access to older files due to the lack of software to read them.

  53. Author is using a different OS X ? by conoviator · · Score: 1

    The gaping lack of examples in Marco's blog post has me scratching my head. I'm curious what exactly has ticked this guy off to the extent that he uses the term "nose dive" to describe the software quality.

    All of us power users of computers, no matter the operating system, will have a list of gotchas that we've encountered. I've got a very short list of squawks, nothing approaching serious, for Yosemite. I spend my days cranking out software on a Mac. This includes building apps in Xcode and Eclipse (for Android). Also includes running various apps for database management and image generation (Photoshop). I simply have not encountered anything awful. And I have a low threshold for pain.

    That said, I count myself among the users of Apple computers who are ever fearful of what the company will become now that Jobs is gone. So far, I'm delighted with Yosemite.

  54. Re:Some specifics by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    Marco Arment "respected developer" provides literally not a SINGLE example about this software "nosedive". This is blog by assertion. This blogger is somewhat famous for his strong assertions that get a lot of traffic.

    And he doesn't measure this supposed nosedive IN CONTEXT. In other words, Apple is in trouble if Microsoft or Linux software was taking off free of bugs and integration glitches. Having to use Windows at work (and just listen to corporate IT dealing with Windows 8 "upgrades" before saying microsoft is taking off and Apple is nosediving), Mac and home and develop for linux this is FAR from true. Window 8 has had no GUI stability, the Windows bluetooth stack is glitchy beyond belief, the supposed development model for windows apps (for those familiar with the metro stuff) is super confusing. Trying to develop desktop apps for linux is a joke unless you go cross-platform.

    Apple offers a relatively cogent, clear development model. The App store and app sales model is relatively straightforward. The installed base is not ludicrously fragmented the way linux is. And yes, parents AND grandparents seem to run into fewer problems using apple products than linux and other solutions (anyone trying to go down the linux path with parents / grandparents will learn some important lessons quickly).

    Perhaps some other posters can give us some useful details of this nosedive.

    I'm not sure why the blogger didn't provide any examples; it's possibly because they are so glaringly obvious to most people using OS X or iOS these days. The biggest quality issues surround integration of software with iCloud, causing the "cloud" listings to overwrite local listings, even if the local ones were updated more recently. The list also includes user interface glitches, hardware driver issues, functionality failures (not being able to use your iPhone 6 to, er, phone after the iOS 8.0.1 update), and more. We're only talking about Apple-only software here; these are issues you'd encounter if you bought Apple hardware and played around with the bundled Apple-written software. In the past, such configurations always "just worked," but now things have got so complex with so many dependencies that every update (whether forced or not) is entered with a certain level of trepidation, as you may not even realize that something had stopped functioning correctly until a few weeks after it had affected your own data (and the recovery via backup may not be for the faint of heart, as this could involve data in a hidden data cache being overwritten and losing your userdata, with the iCloud version being not even remotely the same as the local version).

    The other issue of course is that with iCloud, there could be all sorts of updates going on that affect your data in the cloud, and you have no control over them, as your data is in the hands of Apple (actually, Microsoft, but Apple holds the keys).

    Hopefully as they unify their software design, these issues will shrink to the odd issue again; but it seems to me like they're banking on volume over quantity these days, which doesn't do well to entrench a userbase.

  55. Slashdot..... by fat_mike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being wrong since 1997.

  56. solution: by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    Fewer features in each release. More time to fix bugs, test, "get it right the first time".

  57. If anyone knows about making rubbish by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    It would be Tumblr. They can't drop in quality because they're already at the bottom.

  58. Perspective of an iOS user by timmyf2371 · · Score: 2

    First of all, iTunes.

    I dislike it and refuse to install it on my PC. It's bloated and not user friendly. It clearly epitomises Apple's philosophy of making the user do things Apple's way. It's well overdue for a rethink and I expect to see that come soon.

    With regards to iOS, it is on the cusp of greatness. It has some very nice features, it's user interface is fluid and easy to use and the design works well.

    However, they need to take some time to make everything work well together and make the OS and apps more integrated.

    For example:

    - If users want to access my music stored in Dropbox or Google Drive or even a samba share, facilitate a method of saving that into the music library.
    - Let users backup photos to Dropbox or Onedrive in the background as with iCloud backup. It's a real waste of time having to keep the app open and the screen unlocked.
    - Similarly, let users sync music and videos in third party apps which permit it. Like Spotify and Plex.
    - Third party app defaults would be pretty cool. Like being able to select Chrome or Gmail as default apps.
    - Allow a bit more customisation such as changing control centre quick options.

    It's really frustrating as Apple could come out with the best features in the world, but as long as they impose these arbitrary restrictions, iOS will always feel hamstrung.

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  59. Problems? Yes. Nosedive? Not at all. by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

    Apple has some software problems for sure; let's just start with iTunes. However, calling it a "nosedive" is simply lame. I feel he's just trying to gain some attention.

    I am an OSX and iOS user. While I don't think either one is perfect, I have recent Windows and Android experience, and have no desire to use either on a regular basis. Problems? Yes. Nosedive? Not at all.

  60. Re:Hardware by Ziggitz · · Score: 1

    I have a macbook pro from work. I don't think it's worth the price tag, but in terms of weight, dimensions and performance it really is an amazing product.

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  61. Re:Hardware by Ziggitz · · Score: 1

    Also battery life, it's the only machine I've had that I can actually get a full work day in on without plugging the charger in.

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  62. An MBA is *not* an accounting/financial person ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    An MBA is *not* the accounting/financial person that you seem to be suggesting.

    MBAs are whatever they were before business school. That might be an accounting or financial person but it also might be a scientist or engineer. When I went to business school a few years ago the finance and accounting people were a minority, there were more scientists and engineers.

    An MBA is not like other graduate programs. You do not focus on a particular field and delve deeply into it. An MBA program is an overview of all the major fields/components of an organization. Accounting and finance are a small part of a program. Marketing, consumer behavior, strategy, operations, new product development, organization behavior (psychology of individuals and groups), management, economics, statistics, law, entrepreneurship, etc are all part of the overview.

    The point of this overview is so that you can understand other people's perspective, their needs and concerns. This allows you to more effectively communicate with them and to be more persuasive in your discussion with them.

    That's it, that's all an MBA is. An overview of the major components of a business/organization and major topics related to its operation. This overview facilitates are broader understanding and better communication. It does not turn an engineer into an accountant, a marketing person, etc. It turns an engineer into an engineer that can more effectively communicate and be more persuasive when talking to an accountant, marketing person, etc.

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  64. So in other words... by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple has reached the stage that Microsoft reached in the 90s. I hope they learn from their mistakes faster than Microsoft did.

  65. Never been better by freaktheclown · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been a Mac user for 20+ years now and an iPhone user since 2007. Quite frankly, the hardware and software has never been better from my own experience. Go do a Google search and you'll quickly find that every new software release Apple has put out is "the worst ever." Same goes for hardware. Every time Apple has had a keynote, there have been torrents of negative reactions about how they're losing their way and going downhill. "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." Remember that?

    Those are just a few. The point is, over all Apple's QA is improved dramatically. The problem is that the iPhone is far more popular than anything else Apple has ever made. It's not that the software has gone downhill; it's that there is far more scrutiny on it -- particularly in the media. "It just works" is truer today than it ever has been.

    1. Re:Never been better by PRMan · · Score: 2

      I couldn't set up my daughter's new MacBook Pro on Christmas day. The loading screens were all jacked up and you couldn't press the buttons. It finally worked, but I have never had that problem on ANY Windows machine or even Windows install.

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    2. Re:Never been better by afgam28 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Anyone who thinks that Apple's current software is bad clearly doesn't remember what Mac OS was like before X.

  66. How about having to change password in 3 places by perpenso · · Score: 1

    How about having to change your email password in three places in order to get things working again. Email app preferences, in account info and in smtp setting, and in system preferences, internet accounts. Helped a family member with that one last night. Still, a vast improvement compared to when they were on MS Windows.

  67. Forced upgrade path, Re: Nosedive by whit3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    you can't run a version of Safari on 10.6.x that will actually load content on sites like Youtube).

    That's because you are using a version of Safari that hasn't been updated for about 6 years. ...Fortunately, you have several alternatives:

    1. Update OS X to Yosemite. It's FREE (as in beer).

    Yeah, FREE (as in beer) and UNAVAILABLE (as in roast dodo).
    The "forced upgrade policy" means that a generation of
    Macintoshes is arbitrarily decared too old for the installer to put a newer OS onto it.
    My MacPro, four Xeon cores and 20GB of RAM, with six drive bays,
    doesn't have a MacOS upgrade path beyond 10.6.8, won't load any Safari
    browser version that came with 10.7+, and most prebuilt browsers
    of other pedigree are just as OS-intolerant (TenFourFox being the notable exception).

    Apple's OS and app install process discriminates on the basis of last-time-we-got-paid-for-hardware.

    1. Re:Forced upgrade path, Re: Nosedive by Smurf · · Score: 1

      Mmmm... Ok, but you are exaggerating in this statement:

      My MacPro, four Xeon cores and 20GB of RAM, with six drive bays,
      doesn't have a MacOS upgrade path beyond 10.6.8,

      Of all Mac Pro models only the earliest four don't run OS X 10.10 Yosemite. But all four of them can be upgraded to 10.7.5, as you can verify by clicking on their links in that page.

      I find it odd that an owner of such a machine wouldn't know that.

    2. Re:Forced upgrade path, Re: Nosedive by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      you can't run a version of Safari on 10.6.x that will actually load content on sites like Youtube).

      That's because you are using a version of Safari that hasn't been updated for about 6 years. ...Fortunately, you have several alternatives:

      1. Update OS X to Yosemite. It's FREE (as in beer).

      Yeah, FREE (as in beer) and UNAVAILABLE (as in roast dodo).
      The "forced upgrade policy" means that a generation of
      Macintoshes is arbitrarily decared too old for the installer to put a newer OS onto it.
      My MacPro, four Xeon cores and 20GB of RAM, with six drive bays,
      doesn't have a MacOS upgrade path beyond 10.6.8, won't load any Safari
      browser version that came with 10.7+, and most prebuilt browsers
      of other pedigree are just as OS-intolerant (TenFourFox being the notable exception).

      Apple's OS and app install process discriminates on the basis of last-time-we-got-paid-for-hardware.

      Despite your Mac Pro dating from before 2008 or so, it's still a relatively powerful machine - and Xeons are absolutely 64-bit CPUs. It's annoying that Apple didn't update the 32-bit firmware on that machine at some stage of it's lifespan which would have enabled it to run everything up to, and including, Yosemite.

    3. Re:Forced upgrade path, Re: Nosedive by bjb · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it seems that if you're on a 10.6.8 machine, going to the App Store doesn't give you the opportunity to download 10.7 anymore.

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    4. Re:Forced upgrade path, Re: Nosedive by Smurf · · Score: 1

      Maybe. In that case, just buy it from the Apple store:
      http://store.apple.com/us/prod...

  68. Respected Developer by wept · · Score: 1

    oh.

  69. Why upgrade to the latest shinny new version? by franciscohs · · Score: 1

    I'm a mac user but far from a fan boy, I just think the combination of software and hardware is the best you can get right now (used Desktop linux for 10 years before switching to mac and at some point in life I decided my time one of the most valuable things in life, still use linux for many things thou)

    Now, what baffles me is that people in slashdot complain about new shinny software having bugs. I'm not saying it's not a problem, but why are you (supposedly knowledgeable slashdot people) upgrading to a .0 version in the first place? I personally don't see any reason to do it, and every time I've upgraded I've done it in the last stages of a certain version, right now I'm using 10.9.5 in three different machines, it's rock solid for me and I don't plan to upgrade to Yosemite any time soon. Main problem is when you buy new hardware and you're stuck with the latest version.

    1. Re:Why upgrade to the latest shinny new version? by the+plant+doctor · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear!

      I switched after about 10 years of using desktop Linux, myself. Sure, I can make it all work with the hardware, or I can buy a laptop that has a *nix on it that works. Sure there are bugs, but I'll accept those, none have been showstoppers for me yet.

      I did just buy a new Retina MacBook Pro on Saturday, built in October, it only came with Mavericks.

  70. Podcasts app, anyone? by valley · · Score: 1

    At first, podcasts could be played in the iTunes app -- OK, I like having all my audio in one place. But then the iTunes app was renamed Music, so you can't keep your podcasts in there anymore. But here's a terrible Apple Podcasts app, which if you're not careful when turning on your sync options will delete years' worth of saved podcasts out of your desktop iTunes app with no warning and no recovery options (sucks if you exclude your iTunes library from your Time Machine backups because of sheer size... they're just gone...). And only the Apple Podcasts app will sync your podcasts back to iTunes (sure, there are other podcast apps if you want to sync to the cloud somewhere, but who wants their audio files all over the place?). Sigh...

  71. Posting from MacOS.. by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

    Apple's last 12 month's at software have been pretty impressive. The iCloud / Continuity / Handoff stuff is awesome and well-integrated into their OSes and I don't see Microsoft replicating that soon enough. Google without a real desktop OS isn't even in a position to compete with it yet.

    That said, their hardware and software both have their fair share of frustrating warts. Finder sucks, Yosemite broke GPU-switching and some of the newest Macbooks suffer embarrassing Bluetooth vs Wifi conflicts. Some good, some bad, Apple seems to be the way they've always been.

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    1. Re:Posting from MacOS.. by eWarz · · Score: 1

      huh? Not to troll MacOS (I LOVE MacOS...) but my android phone has synced contacts and stuff for YEARS. My friend recently gave apple the finger and switched to Android because it just works. He dropped his iPhone 4s in a lake and lost ALL his contacts while we were fishing. Google has been syncing contacts to the cloud for as long as I can remember. Other stuff is synced as well (like photos). Apple is actually BEHIND the curve when it comes to syncs. I can bump two android devices together and clone said devices in order to reinstall apps, etc. This is an area where Apple definitely needs to catch up. As it stands right now, I can sync an android device a hell of a lot more easier than an iDevice.

    2. Re:Posting from MacOS.. by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      Err iOS does all that, syncing to Google and CardDAV/CalDAV (which stock Android surprisingly does not do, you have to buy an app from Google Play store) and iCloud and what not, photos, videos, the lot. Your friend had probably stored all his contacts on the SIM and had neglected to sync them online. But you already knew that. What you apparently did not know about is what the parent was talking about: Continuity / Handoff.

  72. The *BIGGEST* contribution by John Sculley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... Second, I always like to remind people that Apple ... did some very innovative things while John Sculley was in charge ...

    What a history revisionist you are !

    The *BIGGEST* __contribution__ by John Sculley to Apple is ...
     
    ... drum roll please ...

     
      APPLE NEWTON

    If you call THAT "innovation", of fuck, PIGS CAN FLY !!

  73. Pull up by easyTree · · Score: 1

    No doubt if they litigate hard enough, they can pull up before crashing.

  74. Re:Wrong way round by sound+vision · · Score: 1

    When were Apple machines serviceable? I bought one in 98 or 99, the only "service" you could do on it was to add in a stick of RAM.

  75. because FOSS is worthless by johncandale · · Score: 1

    Face it. There are always problems like this when you try to run linux as a desktop. All the smart people in the projects are too busy trying to write Assembly code that is 2 lines smaller out of a million lines and all the dumb people are volunteer college kids with esoteric interests that switch projects every 5 months. Linux has been around for 24 years and it has never in any year been better then paid software for end users.

  76. "Open source made easy" by cadeon · · Score: 1

    The back of the 10.4 server box said "Open source made easy" - and that's what it was, a lot of open technologies pulled together and given focus by Apple. Samba, bind, Apache, MySQL, openldap, etc all controlled with a pretty decent gui. Even the Mach kernal had an open version you could download and use with a bad-like user land (darwin).

    Then in 10.5 they started removing the open parts and closing it all up. 10.4 could be a windows domain controller thanks to leveraging samba- today's OS X server can't, because Apple decided to replace samba with a closed implementation.

    Not only has Apple made more work for themselves, they are actively pushing away the users that help grow the platform. Sure, the grandparents don't care if there's a decent xserver included- but the young person who helps keep their computers working (and tells them what to buy) does.

    I embraced OS X when 10.4 for intel came out, because I could run anything. I could compile my Unix tools and use them on a nice, more focused platform. Now that's much more difficult, and instead of looking forward to what's next from Apple, I'm wondering how much longer I can stand to stay in the ecosystem.

  77. Bug-grades by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    it would be interesting to know if there is a reproducible case. If you had one, you can report it to Apple. They do look at bug reports from users.)

    There isn't much evidence they actually fix them in a current product, though. They fix them in a different product that does something else.

    They really do a lot of leaving broken stuff behind them, telling you, if you want that fixed, you need to upgrade. Unfortunately, instead of ending up more stable, what you end up is with new bugs and a product that doesn't do what it used to do, which, oddly enough, was what you bought it to do.

    I wish someone would force them to fix products they ship until they work as initially described. Sure, that'd slow them down on this breathless rush to upgrade. But would that be a bad thing? I don't think so.

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  78. It's more like slithering along the ground by Casandro · · Score: 1

    I mean MacOS, for example, didn't have any kind of memory separation. Applications had statically assigned memory, but they were free to write to the memory of others freely. That's one of the reasons why MacOS was nearly unusable for any webbrowsing around Version 6 and 7. In fact back then it emulated 68k code on the Power platform.

    Then came MacOSX, taking an ancient version of some BSD and removing all the good bits replacing them with proprietary stuff. Even MacOSX 10.3 was hardly usable. It did work for a while, but after a week of uptime it became increasingly sluggish.

    Software quality never was particularly good at Apple. They always just competed with Microsoft, not with any meaningful quality standards.

    Same goes for hardware. Logic board failures were common during "evil Steve's" reign. Macs just became much more fragile than the industry standard. Batteries were glued in. Harddisks were really hard to replace. Even things like the Apple Airport had design flaws leading to mass breakdowns.

    I guess the point why this now looks like a sudden decrease in quality is that the "reality distortion field" is gone. Apple is no longer the underdog which invests significant amounts of its money into engineering. Apple is, particularly since "evil Steve" a marketing driven company.

  79. Apple has consumers stuck with vender lock in by raque · · Score: 1

    I was looking to buy my daughter a new laptop for college. We bought an ASUS laptop that had good ratings. It was on woot so it wasn't going to cost a fortune if it went bad. It had troubles right away and had to be sent off for repair. Now it seems to be fine. Apple hardware is still the best. Way not cheap. But ... Windows 8.1 is every inch as good as Mavericks, and better then Yosemite. On a laptop the touchscreen is useful - if only marginally. It is not better then Mountain Lion. Almost all of the new "features" in MacOS are useless and there are more and more bugs. I really don't need my computer to ring when I get a call. On Windows 8.1 for every piece of stupidity there is a really nice feature. Getting the Asus to work on the otherwise all Apple network is maddening. Those bugs are not on the MS side.

    I feel stuck. You have to pay close to Apple prices to get good hardware, but the software and just plain strangeness of Apple is making me regret buying so much Apple gear. Getting out of the Apple ecosystem is tough and expensive. One thing that hasn't been mentioned - at least as far as I can see, is Time Machine. It has gottne flaky too. When you try to get to your backups, sometimes they are there, and sometimes that slice is grayed out. You have to mount the backup as a drive to get it to work. Sometimes. Not Thrilled. Now my backups are locked, good luck if I need to get something - which is very likely with a big OS switch.

    Getting out of the lock in, even if i keep using some apple products, will be long and hard.

  80. Apples 3 Pillars of Excellence by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    1) Hubris. It also could be that over time, Apple management has been filled with "yes men" at the expense of and lack of staff with technical expertise. Where someone that knows a bit about something might say "no, that is a horrible idea, perhaps we should go in a different direction", you get people that say "YES! We'll make it work somehow!". They also have a rabid fanboy market, and they think that can pretty much get away with anything (and they largely can, but over time, it will creep up to bite them). It is like the Toronto Maple Leafs selling tickets, it really doesn't matter how horrible the team is and they will still sell the tickets every year, even if they keep raising prices. A great example of this is the whole iMap fiasco. They had a licence with Google for the Google Maps application, it was very specific about what that included. Google made a new version of the application that included Text-to-Voice directions (which is pretty great). Apple wanted it. Google said no, that was not part of our current licence, however if you wish to licence this new version we would want better Google branding on it so people know who made it. Apple then threw a petulant fit and said fine we'll make our own! Whoever though that they could come out with something in a few months to compete with a product that Google had been perfecting for the better part of a decade must have been high. They even bought Nokia map data, but it isn't as easy as that either. Anyway Apple is probably more subject to Hubris than any company I can think of, though it is also one of the most profitable of all time also, so perhaps some of it is deserved if you look at it from that perspective...

    2) It just works? Everything you just said plus more, software bugs real and intentioned... My girlfriend does Apple support. Every night (yea!) I get an update of all the issues she had that day (if I want one or not). That said I do get to know second hand some of the issues Apple products are currently having and how prevalent they are (calls upon calls etc...). The Apple ID one for example is one have have heard a lot of. Parents complaining about their 300$ bill, and having to explain to them that little Jimmy has a Clash of Clans in game purchase addiction or whatever, and it all goes to your credit card. Also instances of romance gone wrong and Apple ID access, ouch. Let me tell you the day OS8 come out, was also a busy day for support... The list of things goes on far more than I am willing to type here. Many of which should not exist in the first place if any real thought was put into it like Apple would like the public to believe.

    3) Private Garden + Profits. This makes Apple a lot of money. You basically corner and lock in an entire market, then rape it for more and more profits every way you can, and Apple has been very successful at it. However Apple's focus has not been consumer centric for a long time. It's focus is locking you in, keeping you, and making you pay in every conceivable way. This does not lend itself to good software, from the perspective of giving the consumer what it wants. iTunes has had its problems. Part of which is that it is everything plus the kitchen sink, has legacy issues, and is bloated as hell. One such example was that of breaking links to non-iTunes acquired songs making them not playable or syncable. Apple's solution was to make iTunes capable of fixing a single link, one at a time. However iTunes would regularly break hundreds or even thousands at a time making it basically useless. It was so prevalent at one time an opensource group took it on itself to create a java application that would fix the links for you. However each time Apple did an update, they would "accidentally" break the 3rd party software. The developers would fix it, then Apple would break it again, until finally the group gave up. This went on for years, and was a known issue to Apple who could have easily fixed it. However Apple would much rather you buy all your music from their iTunes store, which co-incidentally never

  81. My love/hate relationship with iTunes by BrinkeGuthrie · · Score: 1

    I've still got 10.7 on my Windows desktop. Made the crucial error of upgrading to the latest release. I would not advise this. Was able to roll back only after I moved the .ITL file or...something...to another folder or...something. Once in awhile it tosses up a "Out of space" error or..something. Which is of course nonsense as I have 1TB of space here with like 75% available.

  82. I just read a cogent discussion of apple software by p0larity · · Score: 1

    ... on /.!

  83. Take a look at his follow-up post by geekvoodoo · · Score: 1

    Marco Arment followed up his post with another after, talking about how much he regretted the first post. http://www.marco.org/2015/01/0.... He says: "This morning, my words were everywhere, chopped up and twisted by sensational opportunists to fuel the tired “Apple is doomed!” narrative with my name on them. (Or Tumblr’s name, which was even worse.) Business Insider started the party, as usual, but it spread like wildfire from there. Huffington Post. Wall Street Journal. CNN. Heise. Even a televised CNBC discussion segment." Both are worth a read. He does have valid points about the bugginess of Apple's software, but still makes the case that it's better than the competition. About the post, he says, he woke to "an unstoppable nightmare of embarrassment and guilt. Most people, myself included, aren’t accustomed to that level of scrutiny. Those who are usually have PR training, editors, and handlers to protect them from publishing flippant blog posts before they go to bed."

  84. She handed me the phone by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and I made the call. It's my account after all.

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  85. NeWS by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Was NeWS used w/ any window manager other than Sun's own OpenLook/OpenWindows? Which was a very ordinary UI, and which Sun abandoned when they buried their differences w/ OSF. It would have been interesting to have an FOSS version of NeWS working today w/ today's window managers, and see how it compares to either X11 or Wayland

    1. Re:NeWS by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Per my previous post SGI used NeWS as part of their 4Sight. And wikipedia mentions that there was a Macintosh port, MacNeWS, as well as a port to OS/2.

  86. Blame the introduction of Agile by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Since top level management read a small blip about Agile they consider constant delivery and no docs as the panacea for everything wrong with software development. This idea makes managers think they can just stuff a story into a backlog, put in first place, and have it all ready for delivery three weeks from now (by cutting testing to half a day at the end of a sprint). Short term sales figures show they are right, consumers and businesses alike shop for features. I've seen multimillion dollar international sales contracts for software and not a single line in there asks about proof of quality or having access to test plans and test results. As long as customers favor features over quality any complaints about the lack of quality is nothing but bovine excrement. Demand to see the test plans and test results before paying a penny and demand a warranty. As far as software companies go, stop setting arbitrary delivery dates and instead provide decent requirements and expectations, then ship when the work is done. It might take four or five weeks, but it saves you managers from apologizing for crappy products in press releases.

  87. All been heard before by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    When Steve jobs first left apple, we heard similar complaints of declining software quality.

    Then when he returned and started the iDevices trend - we heard about declining software quality.

    Then after Steve Jobs passed, we heard about declining software quality.

    The bottom line is that Apple is always releasing something new - and a bit half baked. This has been going on for the better part of two decades now. If you want stable Apple products wait about 3-6 months after release before adopting.

  88. What do you expect? by silfen · · Score: 1

    Apple has never been good at long-term software maintenance. Apple DOS was a mess and self-destructed. MacOS was another mess and self-destructed. Then they bought NeXTStep and it's following pretty much the same path.

    Apple tends to do something quick and flashy out of the gates and then it falls apart over the next decade.