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Russia Says Drivers Must Not Have "Sex Disorders" To Get License
mrspoonsi writes Russia has listed transsexual and transgender people among those who will no longer qualify for driving licenses. Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as "mental disorders" now barring people from driving. The government says it is tightening medical controls for drivers because Russia has too many road accidents. "Pathological" gambling and compulsive stealing are also on the list. Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move. The announcement follows international complaints about Russian harassment of gay-rights activists.
... Putin don't drive!
Will this include the typical Russian Elite who purchases small girls for sex?
Man, I'd be a better driver with my wanker removed. "Distractuious" women have caused most of my near misses.
Table-ized A.I.
But are no longer classified as such in the West for political correctness.
At any rate, it's a pretty stupid reason for refusing to give out driver's licenses. Discrimination appears to be systematic in Russia...
So there will be a lot more people driving without licenses. Perfect lose-lose solution.
Can't seem to find a link to any official government document about this. On the other hand, people tend to readily believe anything about Russia.
And yet alcoholism is not on this list of disorders that lead to increased road accidents...
There's no reason to think that removing driving license due to any reason other than BAD DRIVING will improve public safety.
If Russia can go all gestapo big-brother nanny-state like this, then why don't they just do that to solve the problem by disqualifying bad drivers?
Wait... what did you just say about not the problem they're trying to solve?
World is huge.. Its time for those people to take migration seriously.. RUSSIA can tomorrow say NO PASSPORTS for people with sexual disorders because they can spread the epidemic!! (I know.. Bullshit RIGHT?)
The Russian economy is collapsing, the Ruble has plumetted, all because the entire economy depend on gas and oil sales and the price of oil has dropped due to fracking.
Putin, the election rigger, is to blame. So how do you draw attention away from Putin's failure to run the economy?
So his spin men have chosen a minority to attack, in this case transgender people, so he can whip up the homophobic portion of Russia and get them arguing with the more tolerant people, and nobody is looking at him, his failure and his corrupt dictatorship.
not a coward btw
http://government.ru/media/fil...
lol, xfizik got rekt
Obligitory: "I soviet Russia, the government readily believes anything about YOU".
"Darling, you look absolutely smashing, tonight!..."
Table-ized A.I.
The Russian government has gone off the deep end. I guess they read Hitler's playbook.
The document does not mention directly transsexuals and transgenders, but it refers to MKB-10 classification, where they are considered mentally ill.
very last point is funny: height less than 150cm (4'11").
But President Putin has the "exhibitionism" mental disorder. Also allegedly he also has "voyeurism" disorder, but I don't think that has been proved.
Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as "mental disorders" now barring people from driving.
Since Putin apparently likes to ride around half-naked on horse-back?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
are generally full of fear and insecurity.
Even though they act tough.
The Russian government is rabid with fear at the moment.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
http://government.ru/media/fil...
The second page of that document contains a list of disorders, as classified by the ICD-10, that prohibit one from driving -- numbers in the right column. The descriptions are here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICD-10_Chapter_V:_Mental_and_behavioural_disorders
As you see, F60-F69 includes all of the following:
(F64) Gender identity disorders
(F64.0) Transsexualism
(F64.1) Dual-role transvestism
(F64.2) Gender identity disorder of childhood
(F65) Disorders of sexual preference
(F65.0) Sexual fetishism
(F65.1) Fetishistic transvestism
(F65.2) Exhibitionism
(F65.3) Voyeurism
(F65.4) Paedophilia
(F65.5) Sadomasochism
Google translate - I assume "Personality disorders and behavior in adulthood" would cover gambling, sex habits, etc
GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION on December 29, 2014 1604 MOSCOW
On the list of medical contraindications, medical indications and medical restrictions to driving
In accordance with paragraph 4 of Article 231 of the Federal Law
"On the Road Safety" The Government of the RussianFederation
To approve the attached:
list of medical contraindications to management vehicle;
list of medical indications for Motor Vehicle means;
list of medical restrictions to driving agent.
Prime Minister Russian Federation D.Medvedev
Government Resolution Russian Federation on December 29, 2014 1604
medical contraindications to driving name of the disease code disease ICD-10 *
I. Mental and behavioral disorders (in the presence of chronic and prolonged mental disorders with severe persistent or painful symptoms are often exacerbated)
1. Organic, including symptomatic, mental disorders F00 - F09
2. Schizophrenia, schizotypal and delusional disorders F20 - F29
3. Mood disorders (affective disorders) F30 - F39
4. Neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders F40 - F48
5. Personality disorders and behavior in adulthood F60 - F69
6. Mental retardation F70 - F79
II. Mental and behavioral disorders due substance use (up to the termination of the dispensary observation in connection with the stable remission (recovery)
7. Mental and behavioral disorders related to substance use F10 - F16, F18, F192
III. Diseases of the nervous system
8. Epilepsy G40
IV. Diseases of the eye and adnexa
9. Achromatopsia N53.51
10. Blindness in both eyes H54.0
* International statistical classification of diseases and related problems health (10th revision).
Government Resolution Russian Federation on December 29, 2014 1604
medical indications to driving
I. Medical indications to driving manual
1. Deformation of the foot, significantly impedes its movement.
2. Shortening of the lower limb more than 6 cm (except for the cases when the limb has no bone defects, soft tissue and joint range of motion is stored, the length of the limbs the heel bone to the middle of the greater trochanter of the hip more 75 cm).
3. amputation stump of both thighs.
4. amputation stump of both shins.
5. thigh or lower leg stump one limb at a significant violation of motor and static functions other lower limb (amputation stump foot deformity, vascular disease, damage to major peripheral nerve trunks and others.).
6. Persistent deformity or disease of the lower limbs, pelvis or spine, greatly complicates the standing and walking (ankylosing arthritis of the lower limbs, severe kyphoscoliosis and spondylitis with symptoms of compression, pseudarthrosis, endarteritis II and III degree, elephantiasis et al.).
7. Paralysis and paresis of the lower extremities with the possibility of sitting.
8. Damage to the neurovascular bundle one lower limb with significant trophic disorders (extensive non-healing ulcers).
II. Medical indications for operation of the vehicle Auto transmissiey
9. The absence of upper limb or hand.
10. The absence of lower limb or foot.
11. Deformation of the hand or foot, greatly complicates movement of the hand or foot.
12. Stump thigh or lower leg, while the absence of a of the upper extremities.
13. The absence of fingers or phalanges, and immobility in interphalangeal joints:
a) the absence of two phalanges of the thumb on the hand;
b) lack of immobility or 2 or more fingers on the right hand or complete reduction of at least one finger;
c) absence of immobility or 3 or more fingers on his left hand or complete reduction of at least one finger.
14. Residual effects of central nervous system as hemiplegia.
III. Medical indications for operation of the vehicle, equipped with an acoustic parking system
15. Blindness in one eye.
IV. Medical indications for operation of the vehicle using a driver of the
I have never seen a transgendered on any of the dashcam videos showing those Russian traffic accidents. Lots of drunken or sober morons, some hetero distraction going on, but none of that "pervert" stuff.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
At least the pictures from his famous historectomy. Think it can be found at goatse something.
-- Another senseless waste of fine bytes.
it crushes political maturity and instead offers worship of one super strong super tough exkgb goon putin, like north korean cult of personality bullshit
rather than diversify the economy it tries to become a petrostate (now with crashing oil prices)
it panders to simpleminded fears and hatred now with gays and sexual minorites, so it is culturally and socially rotting too
is russia trying to weaken as best as it can?
with a surging imperialist china, which has a border dispute with every single one of its neighbors: stealing land from india, stealing philippine/ vietnamese/ japanese islands, etc... how long until china says "fuck it" and just flat out takes siberia from sick pathetic dying russia?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Russian gays can just ride a bear instead of driving. Like Putin does!
The fact that Putin is a psychopath should disqualify him from a drivers license.
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
Like a certain russian leader...
But then, I guess they have drivers.. :P
--- Reality doesn't care about your opinions, it happens anyway and if you are in the way you'll get squished.
gays have caste privilege in the west, and zero tolerance in the east.. whatever happened to equal opportunity for all?
It's in the truck & bus drivers' category.
I do read Russian, but it's not my native language.
As a result of briefly scanning through the document, I did not find any reference to anything sexual, but I would not expect that either. I would expect it to be buried somewhere under the "psychological conditions" category which lists broad groups of diagnosis codes.
Yea I agree. Clearly there are some people in this country that see themselves as members of some of these mental and behavioral disorder groups and want to get a lot of people worked up about this. Hard to get worked up about who Russia gives driver licenses to when they are busy invading and annexing other neighboring countries and shooting down civilian airliners (well. to be fair, just one recently). Perhaps those who live lifestyles that many would consider perversion could effect more change in Russia by opposing Putin's invading other nations than by opposing who they give the privilege of driving to.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I would think the same. The document does not mention sexuality directly in any way, but the groups of psychological diagnosis codes are not immediately known to me.
Given slashdot is a news aggregator by definition they need to be late to the party as someone needs to post it first.
Looks like a woman, drives like a man? An accident waiting to happen. You don't want to play chicken with the rooster.
False, it's a harmless side effect of a useful trait.
Ezekiel 23:20
They tried to legislate wealth as immoral; that didn't work. But they're not done with the old favourites: Anything outside heterosexual monogamy causes immorality or insanity. Sometimes, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
it's a good wetsite.
You don't understand the issue. You've heard of alien hand syndrome, yes? It's where your brain is telling you that your body is wrong in some way. It's not fixable and not a choice. It's not a disorder that hurts anyone else, but it will completely fuck up your life. The only way to get your brain to stop destroying everything good in your life is to change your body. No one at any point is being coddled, for most people the best outcome is a slightly better circle of hell, and only after what is invariably the worst time of your life.
You only get one life, and for a huge percentage of transgender people, between the options of life with body dysphoria and self-mutilation, death is a preferable alternative. And yes, even if you are transgender, it's still (more or less) thought of as a mutilation, a relatively risky procedure with many drawbacks, a chance of terrible complications, and a lifetime of medication afterwards. In a few centuries when gene splicing is perfected, your style of bigotry will still exist, because it has nothing to do with the state of medical science and everything to do with rejecting others who are different. And believe it or not, no one really cares what your opinion is — no one is going to try to change your mind about it. If you think it is okay to contribute to the torment and suicide of other people, we clearly have opposite notions of morality, but so be it. What we are going to do is insist that you not be a bigoted asshole in public, and especially not in public office and public legislation.
I'm sick of homos parking across two spaces, or just stopping in the middle of the road to pick up their boyfriends. And dykes drive aggressively and cut people up all the time
They should ban politicians with mental disorders such as fixations on other people's lives - such cause far more harm to society than any other class of people.
Yep. Just as I thought.
More hysterical/desperate propaganda, which judging by the response, far too many of you are allowing past your 'smartypants' filters.
You have to stretch reality completely out of shape in order to perceive this law as having *anything* to do with gays, let alone as being repressive toward them as a social group. I wonder how far the TV talking heads in the West will pursue this canard?
The authors of this law were, it seems to me, (if I can depend on the translation being close to accurate), fairly rigorous in their definitions so as to make it clear that only conditions which actually affect one's ability to drive safely are listed. They even put qualifiers in brackets after point #1, which is probably the closest item which the propagandists can strive to thread their tenuous connection to.
Any interpretation beyond this being anything but a vanilla bit of road safety legislation is for Hysterics and True Believers.
But just you watch. This is one of those "repeated often enough" lies. A year from now, it can be pretty much guaranteed that most of the people you talk to who don't pay attention to things will actually believe that Putin is personally trying to keep gays off the road.
F65.3 seems to be providing half the packets on the internet. Ever looked at a picture of someone having sex? You can be defined as a voyeur for that if someone nitpicks enough.
This "mental disorders" ban is fucking insane, but it makes the sort of reactionary pricks that push this sort of thing look "conservative" to their support base. Yet another symptom of what happens when a state is under the control of a very small number of powerful people.
Which is the point...Putin is an unreconstructed Chekist and will continue to distract his oppressed population with this and other nonsense, plus of course more serious meddling like Ukraine and Syria.
Since the average Russian is typically homophobic, racist, and "patriotic", this is an easy play.
Putin is mired in corruption, has totally failed to deliver on economic & political reforms and re-balancing the economy and the Ruble is tanking in the wake of falling oil prices.
So expect plenty more of this rubbish.
Actually improving road safety would involve "hard" stuff like tackling endemic police and court corruption, drink driving (although the legal limit is theoretically zero), anti-social attitudes and quasi-mafia idiots driving too fast in SUVs equipped with automatic weapons and large lights on the back specifically designed to blind people following them.
Ever wondered why you see so many youtube videos of "funny" things on Russian roads? It's because many people have dashboard cams to support their case with the insurance company when the inevitable accident happens; it really is that bad.
Some scientists have suggested that, in ancient times, homosexuals were beneficial to society, because they took care of orphans. (sorry can't find a reference now. i read that in a science magazine years ago)
The CD-10 is an international standard WHO document.
If the world is so hung up on this, then perhaps they can take it upon themselves to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from their own book of definitions.
Chess, anyone?
You know, maybe next we should just put them all in camps, concentrate them, so they're away from "decent" people. And then, perhaps, make them wear something so we all know who they are, like a pink triangle or something?
Of course, these are all just temporary measures; I'm sure we'll ultimately come up with a better Final Solution...
-Styopa
At least they are being consistent in placing anyone that's a little bit different out of society.
Thank you, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden and so many others, for courageously defending humanity, my freedom and more!
Resident or expats, please try to fill in the blanks.
Is there simply enough anti-homosexual bias in Russian culture, as in much of the USofA, for Putin to make political "points" by picking on them?
Is he thinking of using a relatievly powerless "out" group for a Kristallnacht if the economy experiences problems due to falling oil prices?
Pay-back, which he is known to do, for not supporting his acquisition of power?
Wild idea: is he thinking he can pressure homosexuals to produce more children as as some sort of social "cover", to build a population for a war?
Something else?
You should try to understand that not all people in the world are like you. People have different sensibilities,
different values also in what regards the relationships between sexes. To many people around the world it
seems that America (and the west in general) has long ago lost any moral values it once had. The only
value you still have is "thou shalt not kill", but also this becomes very flexible as soon you go out of your
territory.
So, instead of going bombing or starving people who see things in a different way, just leave them alone,
and do what you want in your own house without concerning yourself about other people houses.
It is just none of your buisness.
What will happen if they continue to drive and do not report to the doctor for their driver's license to be removed? Are they "put to sleep" at that point if the argument is they will cause more accidents (aggravating point)?
Russia doesn't stop drunk driving. They encourage it!
Drink up, comrade! It's Baltika Time!
By that measure, being a Slashdot basement dwelling virgin is equally culpable?
The authors of this law were, it seems to me, (if I can depend on the translation being close to accurate), fairly rigorous in their definitions so as to make it clear that only conditions which actually affect one's ability to drive safely are listed.
And how exactly is (F64.0) Transsexualism affecting your ability to drive?
> 5. Personality disorders and behavior in adulthood F60 - F69
There is is. Have a look at the F codes one by one, then come back. I can make it easier for you. Here they are:
(F64) Gender identity disorders
(F64.0) Transsexualism
(F64.1) Dual-role transvestism
(F64.2) Gender identity disorder of childhood
(F65) Disorders of sexual preference
(F65.0) Sexual fetishism
(F65.1) Fetishistic transvestism
(F65.2) Exhibitionism
(F65.3) Voyeurism
(F65.4) Paedophilia
(F65.5) Sadomasochism
In next development cycle there will be one more addition to the mental illnesses list which prohibits obtaining driving license:
It will be "Sluggish schizophrenia/vyalotekushchaya shizofreniya" - conception that people who opposed the s/Soviet/Putin/ regime were mentally sick ....
since there was no other logical rationale why one would oppose the sociopolitical system considered the best in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
Because if looking at porn is voyeurism and considered to be a sex disorder, then I am totally in favor of these regulations, and can begin to understand why Snowden likes living in Russia. Now I'm thinking of their safe, traffic-free roads. As a bicyclist this sounds like a great idea!
I guess that the entire govenment of the Russian cleptocracy will have to turn in their drivers licence then!
Picking it on minorities brings a lot of negative karma and bad luck. Look what happened to Hitler...
I'm gay and I have a right to drive anywhere I want, marry anybody or anything I want, and vocally publicize it 24/365 on Oprah and the Huffington Post!
Now put something in my butt!
You, and the mods who gave you points, are either ignorant or biased to the point of imbecility.
Putin has already been clearly shown to use the most tenuous pretexts to use Russia's courts to beat, imprison & kill his opponents. Changing the laws so that the F64 & F65 codes disqualify people from having a drivers license WILL be used.
Putins goons will stop & strip search critics just as they do now. They'll just replace his underwear with ladies & boom, F65.1: No drivers licence for you, pervert...
Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
Try reading the actual ICD-codes? Here, if reading comprehension is too hard for you. Source, WHO website. Just google it. To taste, add in homophobic psychiatrists to diagnose gay people with anything under F65, like disorder of sexual preference, not otherwise specified, F65.9. If they want to fly in the face of the ICD-10's actual instructions you can even stick them with something under F66, Psychological and behavioural disorders associated with sexual development and orientation.
F64 Gender identity disorders
F64.0 Transsexualism
A desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by a sense of discomfort with, or inappropriateness of, one's anatomic sex, and a wish to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make one's body as congruent as possible with one's preferred sex.
F64.1 Dual-role transvestism
The wearing of clothes of the opposite sex for part of the individual's existence in order to enjoy the temporary experience of membership of the opposite sex, but without any desire for a more permanent sex change or associated surgical reassignment, and without sexual excitement accompanying the cross-dressing.
Gender identity disorder of adolescence or adulthood, nontranssexual type
Excludes: fetishistic transvestism ( F65.1 )
F64.2 Gender identity disorder of childhood
A disorder, usually first manifest during early childhood (and always well before puberty), characterized by a persistent and intense distress about assigned sex, together with a desire to be (or insistence that one is) of the other sex. There is a persistent preoccupation with the dress and activities of the opposite sex and repudiation of the individual's own sex. The diagnosis requires a profound disturbance of the normal gender identity; mere tomboyishness in girls or girlish behaviour in boys is not sufficient. Gender identity disorders in individuals who have reached or are entering puberty should not be classified here but in F66.-.
Excludes: egodystonic sexual orientation ( F66.1 )
sexual maturation disorder ( F66.0 )
F64.8 Other gender identity disorders
F64.9 Gender identity disorder, unspecified
Gender-role disorder NOS
Fuck you very much.
Having a fetish is a disorder? That's... going to cover a really huge percentage of the human species. Maybe it doesn't count if you don't act on it, but it's still a preference (as in, "Disorders of sexual preference")...
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
From Wikipedia:
(F64) Gender identity disorders
(F64.0) Transsexualism
(F64.1) Dual-role transvestism
(F64.2) Gender identity disorder of childhood
(F65) Disorders of sexual preference
(F65.0) Sexual fetishism
(F65.1) Fetishistic transvestism
(F65.2) Exhibitionism
(F65.3) Voyeurism
(F65.4) Paedophilia
(F65.5) Sadomasochism
(F65.6) Multiple disorders of sexual preference
(F65.8) Other disorders of sexual preference Frotteurism Necrophilia Zoophilia
(F66) Psychological and behavioural disorders associated with sexual development and orientation
(F66.0) Sexual maturation disorder
(F66.1) Ego-dystonic sexual orientation
(F66.2) Sexual relationship disorder
(F66.8) Other psychosexual development disorders
(F66.9) Psychosexual development disorder, unspecified
Quotes from ICD-10 itself:
Fetish objects vary in their importance to the individual. In some cases they simply serve to enhance sexual excitement achieved in ordinary ways (e.g. having the partner wear a particular garment).
Sexual orientation by itself is not to be regarded as a disorder.
In other words: If you are GAY you may drive. But if you are excited when your wife wears high heels then you are disqualified.
Full disclosure: I live in Russia.
Therefore we should also ban neckbeards from driving.
Charming. But I'll respond nonetheless...
Two things:
1. The relevant law is qualified thusly: "I. Mental and behavioral disorders (in the presence of chronic and prolonged mental disorders with severe persistent or painful symptoms[...])"
2. WHO, and the ICD-10 isn't Russian. It's an international directive which has classified homosexuality as a mental disorder.
If the world doesn't like it, then it is quite within the power of the world to change the designation.
Almost smacks of a bit of "in yer face, you hypocrites" doesn't it? I wonder if that was intentional?
They can simplify... Not allowed to drive if Russian or in Russia.
Everyone over there is utterly insane when behind the wheel.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
You've been hoodwinked, methinks.
None of the Western accusations against Putin or Russia have panned out.
The situation with Ukraine reads like a tragic comedy of public relations errors. Remember when Russia was supposed to have shot down an air liner? Or when they were supposed to have invaded Ukraine? Or how they rigged the referendum in Crimea? (All of which turned out to be provable nonsense.)
Washington is grasping at straws in their bid to maintain their control of a distant continent. Though I suppose it may still work if enough people continue to buy every hysterical bogus claim floated by the Western media circus.
In other words, you're aligned with the real goons in this equation. Maybe you should stop and reconsider things from a larger perspective.
Isn't it quite obvious for male to female transformations?
There people listed as "female" are not allowed to drive.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Having a fetish is a disorder? That's... going to cover a really huge percentage of the human species. Maybe it doesn't count if you don't act on it, but it's still a preference (as in, "Disorders of sexual preference")...
While the primary purpose of the ICD is to categories conditions you'd call disease, injury or mental illness, it also has a broad range of other conditions that may cause you to seek healthcare like for example being pregnant, in need of a vaccination or a natrual psychological reaction to a traumatic incident. A sexual fetish isn't necessarily a medical condition, but if you need to see a psychologist about it'll be recorded as such. If you want to get a sex change surgery, then being transgender will probably be listed as the diagnosis. That said, many countries exclude certain codes or code blocks from being used. In many cases they want the same information for statistical purposes though, they just don't call it a disorder.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I thought they mainly drove stick in Russia!
Wouldn't it make more sense to look at speed limits? Russia has a city speed limit of 60 km/h and a law stating that you will not be fined unless you exceed the speed limit by at least 20 km/h. This mean people are free to drive through towns at up to 80 km/h without being stopped by the police. Compare this to the 40 or 50 km/h limits in most countries.
Solving the problem by taking the driving license from mentally ill looks good on paper, but it opens the question what is a mental illness, which is a traffic hazard? Besides it's naive to think people stop driving just because they have no license. This is a serious problem in a lot of countries and I see no reason why it should be any less of a problem in Russia.
Also a whole lot of Russian cars wouldn't pass a roadworthy safety inspection if they enter western Europe. I assume they wouldn't pass inspection in Russia either, but yet they are still on the roads.
UBER will still hire them and when something goes bad uber's insurance can get out of it by saying we don't cover unlicensed drivers.
I also read in a science magazine once that size does matter.
Hitler executed gays. The percentage of gays in Germany didn't change. I personally believe that the sexual deviation is a genetical NORM, a mechanism that regulates population density, and density is already too high.
And yet the russians are using the ICD-10 codes. Quit trying to defend the indefensible.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
good for them
Does the drivers handbook come with a list of sanctioned positions? Like a mini Kama Sutra along with some instructions about reverse parking?
As usual, coming up with harebrained schemes. This guy is nothing but an obsolete relic of the Cold War.
Also having childless aunts and uncles would reduce infant mortality...
And in some cases (like yours) this would actually be a very beneficial effect.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Can't wait to see this being put to the test with some high ranking politicians, preferably of conservative parties, being yanked their licenses.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
But if you are excited when your wife wears high heels then you are disqualified.
Not defending it or anything but... how are they going to find out? Are they combing your internet accounts for this sort of thing, or is it based on medical records? Does anyone go to the hospital for their high-heel fetish? What about patient-doctor confidentiality? If I were Russian, and confided in my shrink that I had a fetish that was bothering me because I was otherwise an upstanding, hard working, God-fearing, citizen who paid taxes... would the government eventually find out about that? Are your psychiatrists compromised? Do they have to report this sort of thing?
There's a lot of unanswered questions... even the article says the thing is vague. But the purpose of the thing is pretty clear. I imagine everyone is more or less safe provided they stop talking about politics and at least try to conform. The measure's purpose is to punish the outspoken activists. If you don't cause any fuss and you at least pretend to be a Christian and straight, and act hateful towards gays and the West, you'll be okay. Your reputation will go untarnished, provided you continue to pretend to fit in with, and possibly support the status-quo. Obedience will be rewarded by granting you permission to continue living an uncontroversial, uninterrupted, life. In that way, the measure is genius. The vagueness promotes fear, and fear promotes compliance. You don't know where you might trip up.
I honestly have no idea how one would combat that sort of thing. It seems like your only choice is to wait for Putin to die of old age, to move, or to get violent. My condolences for your trouble. It makes any issues I worry about in America pale in comparison.
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U for Unspecified
No, it doesn't. Have you actually looked at it? Look at the appropriate sections (F64, F65 and F66). Homosexuality is not there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Because freedom is always the freedom of the other one. True freedom does not discriminate between what I like and what I don't care about. And the elimination of freedoms always affects you in one way or another.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
What if you drive past a quite mysterious looking elderly MtF Transvestite from Pakistan who moons you from the car window? /deep thoughts
Presents an uncanny Pakistani tranny granny fanny, if you will.
Altogether, these data support an X-linked multi-locus sexually antagonistic hypothesis rather than an autosomal multi-locus overdominance hypothesis.
tl;dr having a gay grandad makes women more fertile
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
At best, it's fucking stupid.
At worst, it's to selectively crush anyone who presents political opposition.
In any case, as with most of Russia's history, the phrase "and then, it gets worse" applies...
My Russian colleagues - you have my sympathy as you slide down the slippery slope of "oh fuck, we're fucked."
Hot on your heels though, are our US colleagues.
I feel sorry for you that you live in such a retarded, backwards country, being run by a madman with delusions of bringing back the Soviet Union of old through conquest. Wouldn't at all be surprised if he thinks he's the reincarnation of Stalin or something. With shit like what's going on in the world today it's no wonder that advanced alien civilizations won't contact us openly, we're just fucking stupid-ass animals still. Maybe in another 10000 years, if we haven't nuked ourselves in one way or another..
The same is true of masturbation, but it doesn't stop you from doing it.
Wow a Putin apologist. Who knew he had so many fans...
Exactly. Basically the Russians were greeted with open arms in Crimea, there was not a single death during that "invasion".
Compare that to the mess of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.
But maybe that is the problem the Americans have with Crimea. They only stop nagging and criticizing when the country is in ruin and blood runs in the streets. They would love to drop some bombs on Crimea to show those bastards good old democracy.
Having a fetish is a disorder?
An actual fetish? Certainly. Having associated something external with sex to the point that sexual feelings are impossible without that item is pretty much a disorder and is what a fetish is. Being turned on by something, using something to increase sexual feelings, and liking to dress in leather or participate in games, is not really a fetish if you can sexual gratification without them.
Those pictures of Putin without a shirt:
Hnnnngggghhhh!
They're trying to create a slave/subservient class system in Russia.
This in fact is what we do here in the USA with out drug laws and racism.
Do they have private prisons yet?
Here's the problem. We can't make the body match the mind. We literally cannot do it. We don't have the technology. The very best we can do is a skin-deep, non-functional mask.
For instance, if you're male, we can lop off the genitals that grew naturally; we can probably dig a pit into your groin; we can plastic up some lippy-looking things to go around it; we might even be able to leave enough of your penis to kinda-sorta give you a little stimulation where the clitoris raises its cute little head. We can't give you an actual clitoris, though. We can insert stuff in your chest to give you breast-like bumps -- which will not, of course, actually be breasts -- and you can cover all this with makeup, dresses, and so on until you may even be able to fool some of the onlooker's eyes.
At the end of this process, though, even with the most successful results, you're not a woman, not female in any way. You're a man with surgical modifications. You're not going to have periods. You cannot bear children. You will not lubricate correctly. You won't share the same disease risks, and you won't share the same disease immunities. Your chromosome configuration will be wrong. Your pheromone emissions will be off. Your sweat will smell wrong. Your skeletal structure will be wrong. Your walk will be wrong, because your pelvic geometry is different. Even your mind, identity crisis and all, probably won't work even remotely like a woman's actually does -- likely you will continue short on multitasking and long on aggression, among many other things.
Don't get me wrong -- if you want to do all this to yourself, I'm all for it. It's your body, by all means, hack away and have fun. If you want to change yourself so you appear as alien or predator or Hillary Clinton or a hobbit or a pony, it's all good, have at it and I truly hope you can get as close as possible to the appearance of the thing you're trying to impersonate so you can enjoy the pretense as fully as possible. Acting is often its own reward, as many actors will tell you right up front.
For the case of a man trying to impersonate a woman, I wouldn't be offended in the least if you managed to carry off that impersonation well enough to coax me, a rather profoundly heterosexual individual, into a sexual interest -- but once I discovered you were actually a guy, I would disengage, simply because I'm not interested in men. And you're still a man. Wearing a mask doesn't make you the thing the mask represents, and that's all body mods and hormone shots accomplish -- they create a mask. It'd be exactly the same if the identity you desire to present is that of a pony; even with the most radical surgeries and prosthetic devices, no matter how accurate the resulting look is, you will never, ever, be a pony. You're a male human with body mods. No more; no less.
Gender is not something we can change at this time, and the not-very-close series of surgical modifications that create a gender mask is not a path that's even in the same direction of desiring to be the other gender. You can cut, chop, filet and drug yourself until you run out of money, and at the end of the day, you're still just the same guy -- you just look different. The problem is that no matter how much you like to wear a mask, and no matter how good the mask is, you are not the mask.
What the present amalgam of surgical and pharmaceutical procedures accomplishes is not a sex change. The best description of it I've heard thus far is these procedures result in the provision of a full body mask, within which you can act like you are the being that the mask presents to the viewer. And while that may be very enjoyable for you, it's still an act; you are still 100% male. A cat in a dog suit is still a cat. A human male modified to look exactly lik
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
And in turn, you should remember that these reasons are not always sound.
Defy Invalid Social Norms
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Man, I'd be a better driver with my wanker removed. "Distractuious" women have caused most of my near misses.
Hopefully you mean 'near hits' because a near miss would just be a hit.
It was a miss, that was very, nearly a hit.
Q: What kind of miss was it?
A; A near-miss
It helps when it is properly hyphenated.
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As far as I am concerned tranny's suffer from a mental illness. so that being said they shouldn't drive a motor vehicle.
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Sobriety was a listed mental disorder in Russia, there is a well known oral treatment however...
And assume that these two things are related, and knowing that Russia has an extreme amount of accidents, i assume that can only mean that the Russians have an extreme amount of sex disorders.
I mean, I would have guessed other things-like alkoholism, bad roads, cars in bad technical state, and cultural deficits in estimating risks, but, ok , i the russian government says that all these accidents are related to sexual disorders, i guess i have to take the extreme perversion troughout russian society for granted......
The situation with Ukraine reads like a tragic comedy of public relations errors. Remember when Russia was supposed to have shot down an air liner? Or when they were supposed to have invaded Ukraine? Or how they rigged the referendum in Crimea? (All of which turned out to be provable nonsense.)
That is kinda funny, cause there were sat photos of the first that were released to the press
The second, more sat photos in the press
The third, Putin himself admitted.
You have shown yourself to be someone who lies, now get off my internet.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Section I of the counterindications to driving has a qualifier that those disorders counter-indicate driving only if they have major and frequent symptoms, so there is some wiggle room. Otherwise, it's a page straight out of Nazi playbook of discrimination against gay and disabled.
I agree with Russia. My wifi linux driver definetively has a sex disorder and I am getting really tired of it...
There is quite a difference between a fetish as the internet defines it and a fetish as it is described in the DSM. In the most basic terms, if you can get off without the help of your 'fetish' then it is almost certainly not a fetish as defined by the DSM.
Makes sense. Ppl with sex disorders shouldn't drive.
Maybe you'll not be happy driving in the same lane as everyone else ?
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Oligarchs drive YOU!
But seriously, anyone in Putin's Oligarch gang can do whatever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want, and no one will say nyet. And all of his pals have the same middle name: Vladimir.
More like a gay-children-having grandmother.
Ezekiel 23:20
Whups. You're right. Homosexuality is not on the list. My mistake.
So if you're gay, the Russian state isn't trying to take away your driver's license.
Thank-you for the clarification.
Putin's logic: I walk into your house, put a gun to your head and then screw your wife = consensual sex.
Then we get apologists like you claiming "she wanted it".
Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
So far as I know, there has been some additional evidence lending credence to kin selection / altruism hypothesis, as well. And I know that such has been established pretty definitively for some other species.
There's no such thing as a "conservative" party in Russia, really. The ruling party is rather populist if anything, they can change their take on things on a moment's notice.
Yeah, that's actually about as close to completely backwards as you're likely to get.
Ukraine is currently ruled by murderous thugs. Actual Nazis. -Self-described, mind you. Take a look at how Ukraine's sitting government deals with those who disagree with it. (Warning; extremely disturbing images).
Ukraine is bankrupt and the infrastructure is currently rated as being worse than Palestine, (as hard to imagine as that may be), but that's what you get when psychopaths take control of a country.
-That's the government which was installed by and is being supported by the West. Remember the leaked phone call between Nuland and Pyatt where they discussed installing Yatsenyuk as prime minister? -A massive revelation, though the press artfully focused its attention on the 'outrage' that somebody said, "Fuck the EU" in the message rather than on the mind-blowing fact that US power players were talking about casually by-passing a foreign nation's democratic processes to install their preferred leader. -Which they bloody-well did!
Crimea was very happy to get the hell away from that luncay, from psychopathic rule, fear of their own government and starvation during the Winter months. Luckily, Russia hasn't entirely left Ukraine to blow in the wind as they've been sending regular convoys of relief supplies to the stricken populace. (Much to the West's dismay.)
That's a taste of the real world which lives beyond the propaganda machine which would have you believe that up is down and evil is good.
...when a state is under the control of a very small number of powerful people.
Good thing that'll never happen here!
Yeah, "passing on good genes" has been out of fashion in society for.. well, almost as long as there has been society.
"Remember when Russia was supposed to have shot down an air liner?"
That is kinda funny, cause there were sat photos of the first that were released to the press
Wait, but I thought a Russian general said that the missile was shown as being Ukrainian. Did he mis-speak?
This story really isn't complete without APK.