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Clinton Surrendering Email Server/Data To Feds After Top Secret Mail Found
An anonymous reader writes: Hillary Clinton's lawyer has surrendered three thumb drives with copies of emails from her server to the Justice Department, which is also where the controversial Clinton personal email server is destined as well. The FBI determined that Clinton's lawyer could no longer retain the thumb drives after two emails from a small sample were found to contain information classified as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," which would also taint the server. There is no evidence that encryption was used to protect the emails. From the limited reviews to date, Secretary Clinton and her aides exchanged emails containing classified information with at least six people with private email addresses. So far four of Clinton's top aides have turned over emails to the State Department, and there are demands that six more do so. The State Department's inspector general has stated that his office is reviewing "the use of personal communications hardware and software by five secretaries of state and their immediate staffs." Current U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has stated, "it is very likely" that China and Russia are reading his emails.
The Republican presidential lineup this year has been a source of near endless amusement, but they have NOTHING on the Dems throwing their weight behind Hillary. She should be whiling away her time behind bars, not running for POTUS. What a fucking mess.
Yet the US Government actively encourages US corporations to continue doing business with a brutal communist regime in which only the elites can accumulate wealth. Oh wait! The US breaks into foreign communication channels just like the yellow man.
She is a pox on this country
Here's hoping she's charged and impeached before she's even elected.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
If Clinton did not have contact with classified information during her tenure than she wasn't doing her job. Wasting federal funds. If she had every classified email printed out to read then she was wasting federal funds. There's no good way this can be spun and these actions from an Obama-directed justice department are just the bare minimum they can bring themselves to do against Clinton in this situation -- believe me, if there was any way they could find to drop it, they would do so.
People in those positions really do think they are above the law. Unbelievable that it took this long for something to happen. Unless this is some very complicated CIA/NSA red hering operation to give false intel to the enemy, she and everyone involved should be stripped of clearances and fired. That is EXACTLY what would happen to me and anyone else who tried this game.
The US was caught via the Snowden revelations listening to the private conversations of World leaders.
Would it not be prudent to assume other nations possess similar surveillance technology?
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Just how is it that this person is not already in prison?
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Hillary in 2016!
After all, what difference does it make?
Those two emails were classified retroactively. This isn't a new story.
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just more of that vast right wing conspiracy's war on women.
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Kerry quote from the article: "...the latest means of spying is to be going after peoples' cyber."
I have a cyber? Where is my cyber? What does my cyber look like? How would I go about finding my cyber? Sounds like it could be fun. I wanna play with my cyber. But I have to protect my cyber so other people can't spy on my cyber. My cyber is private. Only my doctor can touch my cyber. No means no.
Posting as AC for some degree of anonymity. Knowing what a clearance like a TS/SCI entails, her responding to, and handling classified mails, in her private mail system shows either a complete ignorance of what she took an oath to protect, or complete disregard for her oath. Either is just so troubling.
From WhiteWater to Benghazi. What a ride.
She said so. Anybody saying anything differently is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. Unless they say "was," which is different than "is," the meaning of which depends on which Clinton you're talking to.
It's not even about the risky, lazy handling of her official government documents, or the years she waited before turning her cherry-picked selection (no official emails sent for two months while dealing with Libya, really?) from her collection over to State as she was required to - at the very latest - as she left her office. It's about how dumb she's trying to pretend everyone is, and how phony her attempt to dismiss this is - it's about as sincere as the on-demand phony southern accent (or her Urban Church-y dialect) she uses depending how how she assesses the audience she thinks she's talking to that moment. The condescension would be galling if it weren't so transparent and (you'd think!) embarrassing. But she's so impervious to embarrassment over hypocrisy or being caught lying that it really doesn't matter at this point - she's been working on not letting that bother her since before she started putting up with Bill's abuses in Arkansas.
I'm not sure what the DoJ thinks they're going to find on an Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind wiped server, though.Those drives are cleaner by now than the day they were manufactured.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
to go to prison.
"Now, I doubt any of you would prefer a rolled up newspaper as a weapon against a dictator or a criminal intruder."
Nope. It sure doesn't.
I mean, it's about email, so clearly!
Unless your a politician, wealthy, or both (republican).
The logic here is just, grade A (sarcasm). So because the US breaks into other's communications, we should just let everyone see our stuff. Genius! Great Stuff! (Sarcasm again)
There's also the problem of writing something that you think is unclassified, but then, on later inspection, it turns out to be classified. This is particularly a problem with projects/programs where the details of the classification guide (what is and isn't classified) is itself classified. Someone who's uncleared can write something that in the possession of someone else (who has other information) turns out to be classified.
This is the whole aggregation problem. little pieces are unclassified by themselves, but classified at a high level when brought together.
And yes, you depend on the markings to know what's classified and what's not when you receive it.
This is the IRS email thing all over again... "oh you can't have the email because I destroyed it"... *click* I will blow your fucking brains out if you don't hand it over... I am not fucking around. "Oh THAT email... why didn't you ask... it was right up my cunt... here you go."
Seriously... liar liar pants suit on fire.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Why is Clinton(s) not in jail????
Actually, people who work with classified information are in the habit/trained to put the classification on everything they generate as they generate it. You write/type that (U) or (S) or (whatever) at the beginning of every paragraph as you write it, or at the least, after you finish the paragraph (if you're writing by hand). When you're taking notes in a classified setting, you write that classification on the top of the sheet as the first thing you do. OR, you assume that paper generated in the meeting is going to be disposed of and not leave the room.
Yep, it's all there. We'll see 'em all soon, for sure.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Now if there was suspected classified information on anyone else's mail server, would the government wait for proof or seize the server, look through it, and then say "My bad!" and give it back to you.
This was all done to make sure she had time to clean that server up and make it presentable, so no Clintons end in jail.
Why has encrypted email not become an easy to use standard in all our mail programs and webmail services?
Because you web/email/network administrators have dropped the ball, that's why.
Wow. Every comment critical of Her Heinous the Liar is being modded down.
Sorry, she ain't gonna be President. Every damn dirty trick the Clintons could pull has been done to clear the Democratic Party of any opposition, and she STILL can't get positive press.
Call it stupidity, call it incompetent or call it illegal. Clinton did wrong having a off site server not controlled by anyone but the Clinton's. Not saying she deliberately did this to have a denial ability about her actions as Secretary of State. But she is certainly smart enough to know how to cover her tracks. Of which the Clinton's have definitely had a history of having to do that. What I am most ashamed of is how the Democrat's appear more concerned about how this looks in regards to Hillary and the party. Then how this information could present security issues for the Country. Stop making excuses for her Democrat's. She did wrong, so let's find out how bad it was.
Circle the wagons! Circle the wagons!
Any normal person would have their security clearance revoked after a breech of much lesser magnitude, which interestingly makes you unable to perform a job that requires handling classified material, it's one of the few ways to actually get fired from a government job.
Just another facet of our societies aristocracy, they are above the rules. (note this has nothing to do with party, both side get far too many free passes)
I'm not a Federal employee and I work in "Corporate America" and I know that if I told people to not use my bob@corporateemail.com but instead send it to bob@gmail.com or bob@myprivateserver.com, I would be terminated pretty fast. Regardless if the content I was reading was marked as public, classified or highly classified. Even when we have new employees who do not yet have a corp ID/email address yet and want to use their own laptop for the first week, we cannot send them email to their personal accounts.
How did she get away with this basic violation regardless if there are classified or non-classified emails.
How did she get people to send email to her personal server? Did she just set up her federal account to forward it to her automatically or did she start also telling people (lots of people), "Please send it to hillary@clintonemail.com?
Evidently, you have never worked for the Federal Government.
None of that matters to the Federal Government.
Hilliary Clinton was a Part-time or Limited-Time employee at most.
The rules are stricter for Part/Limited-timers.
Not everyone who communicates with one another can ever actually meet and exchange key ids, so they need trusted introducers (and even then, that's usually not so bad). But it's hard to believe that for all the people that she was talking to, she never met any of them (which would make a key exchange easy). They ought to have at least pretty-well-verified (and usually very-well-verified) keys for one another other.
The usual "business" reasons for why people blow off security ("I never actually met the customer in person and all the people in between are fuckwitted technophobes") wouldn't seem to apply. I would really like to hear her excuse for why this stuff wasn't encrypted. It's too easy to not do.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
She's accomplished one thing very well: harming American tech workers.
Traitor politician Hillary Clinton brought TATA into Buffalo, NY, on the guise of "creating jobs for NYS." Sure, TATA has a FANTASTIC (sarcasm) track record when it comes to creating jobs in the U.S.! They almost exclusively employ Indian nationals on temporary worker visas OR they ship the work offshore to India.
http://www.nriinternet.com/NRI...
Anyone who's ever had his/her cybering find its way to eyeballs outside of the intended audience knows just how awful that is. So yeah - John Kerry talking dirty. You're welcome for that visual, slashdice.
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
are you saying that the Secretary of State, of the United States of America, could not be the source of any classified information?
i do not think you understand how classification works.
trust me, it's a real PITA. which is why i'll never deal with classified information again.
What are the chances that she's the only government official insecurely handling Top Secret/Sensitive emails? If they really care about possible email leaks, they should check into everyone. If they checked into everyone, I bet they would find more.
Do the Democrats at this point have any alternative to Clinton? If this forces Clinton out of the race, a Trump presidency becomes a much more likely and scarier scenario.
U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 101, Section 2071, Paragraph a: “Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
Paragraph b: Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.
That's the law, right there - plain and simple. She should be barred from holding any office in the U.S., and yet her supporters constantly defend her regardless of the reeking corruption and criminality. I get that you won't vote for a conservative, but why don't you at least try to find someone who's not criminal?
If China and Russia are reading the emails, make up some good shit! Something like, "The CIA reports that Vladimir Putin is in a homosexual relationship with Xi Jinping, and occasionally Kim Jong-un likes to visit and get in on that ass-action."
I don't get it about foreign governments nosing thru Kerry's email. He's admitting that, despite all the CIA/NSA/etc black spook encryption tech he could conceivably use, he's stuck with google mail?
Considering Hillary earned more than $30 million in the last two years, I'm pretty sure republicans aren't the only wealthy politicians. You aren't a front-runner in a presidential election without a massive bankroll anymore, no matter what party you are running for.
Thinking that any politician whose name will actually be on the 2016 ballot has your best interest at heart, and not the interest of the corporations and other "people" funding their Super PACs shows total ignorance of how the system actually works. Most voters get their information on candidates from paid advertising and the press. Whoever does the best job with their ad campaign and who has the most sympathy in the press is going to win.
The State Department is lying to protect Clinton. The e-mails were marked classified when they were originally sent:
"Those two emails were among four that had previously been determined by the inspector general of the intelligence community to have been classified at the time they were sent. The State Department disputes that the emails were classified at that time."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-11-18-42-15
This is the AP, not some nut-job blogger.
Also, this pretty much tells me everything I need to know about how the State Dept. is handling this:
"The office initially declined to comment and referred questions to the Intelligence Community inspector general’s office, which said it is not currently involved in any inquiry into aides and is being denied full access to aides’ emails by the State Department."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article30714762.html#storylink=cpy
In other words, the State Dept. is obstructing and trying to deflect as much as they can.
In other news:
- Donald Trump has been sending all of his email to a server in Mexico because it's cheaper than handling it in the USA.
- Chris Christie is still using Hotmail, and last week he had the entire service shut down for four days to spite everyone who hasn't endorsed him in the primaries.
- Ted Cruz was using the email address "tcruz@bell.ca" up until 2014. He insists he had no way of knowing it was Canadian.
- Jeb Bush has technically never received an email in his life. He has an intern print each item in his inbox and read it out loud to him. Sometimes he asks for pictures to go with it.
- Carly Fiorina also had her email printed for her, but she removed all of the printers from her office in 2004 as a cost-cutting measure.
- Rand Paul supports the abolition of mail servers entirely, and believes that each individual email should make its own decision as to how it is going to be delivered.
- Rick Santorum last received email in 2003 when his last name started being blocked by profanity filters.
Gotcha. For our own edification, exactly which topics do we *not* need to be experts in before you're okay with their open discussion? Is there an official list somewhere?
Many of you chide conservatives for not listening to experts on climate change, yet you became an Instant Expert on email and secrecy law here. What gives?
Table-ized A.I.
Sounds like a regular politician. These are the qualities that have won elections for millennia. You can't get that high up without 'making deals'. Where's the beef?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I got a Pound right here, any odds you like.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Declaring her a criminal without presenting any qualifications for making such legal judgements, nor giving details of legal reasoning using actual quoted laws should be considered below the standards of Slashdot and they should not have received the mod-points they did. If they had done either, I may not have complained so intensely.
Table-ized A.I.
Many of you chide conservatives for not listening to experts on climate change, yet you became an Instant Expert on email and secrecy law here. What gives?
Does being trained in security processes by someone who has written multiple security manuals for the government qualify me?
You, Sir, and NOT an expert on email and secrecy law. So STFU!
Well we can guess which way this poster (and whomever upvoted them) plans to vote this election.
She should be whiling away her time behind bars
You, Sir, and NOT an expert on email and secrecy law.
And YOU Sir, "are" not an expert on Hillary and the variety of reasons why she should be in jail, much less email and secrecy laws...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
something that Clinton herself once said. And sure enough, now we're pointing at the Chinese and Russians, to make sure everyone is still up to date on who the enemy is.
That's not true. Legions will support her because she has a "D" after her name. Seriously, a hen could be running and get 30% of the vote if it had a "D" after it's name. Same is true for the republicans and an "R" after there name. The problem is we are voting for PARTY above the PERSON. Biggest flipping mistake a human can make in selecting leaders.
Few people understand how bad party loyalty is.
... well to be honest ... stupidly. Politicians are as corrupt as the voters allow them to be. If they cross a line voters can throw them out of office. The problem is that "line" represents are very high threshold, party loyalty is one of the main reasons for such a high threshold.
If a person is loyal to a party then all parties consider that person irrelevant. Their party may ignore them because they already have their vote. Other parties may ignore them because they can not get their vote.
Party loyalty encourages political corruption. Contrary to popular belief the 99% are in control, it is still a one person one vote system. In such a system votes are the true currency of politics. The voters simply spend their votes
For politicians to behave reasonably well they must either (1) personally be of high integrity or (2) fear the voters. Which is more likely?
People have to vote punitively if the system is to be reformed. If an incumbent has a history of misbehavior -- actual misdeeds not an honest disagreement on policy -- they need to be voted out of office. Period. No exception. No consideration of their party or the party of a viable opponent. Above all else a politician wants to stay in office. If voters adopt a punitive voting policy then a darwinian process will occur, politicians will learn to fear the voter and to behave more reasonably. They must learn that there is no loyal base to save them, no amount of money for campaign ads that will save them once they have crossed that "line". Its a process, it will take time, there is not alternative, no quick solution, no "magic bullet" legislation that will reform the system. There is only changing voter behavior.
Belong to a party. Be involved in your party. But do not vote for your party or party's platform. Vote for, or punitively against, a particular candidate. That is the only way for voters to maintain control over politicians.
Also if the other party just plainly has a better candidate vote for that other party's candidate. That addresses a secondary problem, the poor quality of party candidates. They only way to force the party to choose better candidate is to have the party member vote for someone else. Again, no loyal base. If you tolerate an idiot because they are your party's candidate you will just get more idiots in the future.
Why is Hillary Clinton more reluctant to talk about her record than Martha Stewart? I think of Martha Stewart because she could give the the state of the union address during a cooking show called, *Your Goose is Cooked!*
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Bill is hoping for a conviction, and a contribution to the Obama Presidential Library will discourage pardons...
He will be able to have the "Energizer" over all of the time.
Apparently the Secret Service assigned to her will be happier too.
I don't really care what classified documents Hillary was emailing with other members of our own government. Yes, I realize that there is a massive risk that foreign governments could have intercepted them. I acknowledge that is a huge risk.
Hillary has repeated several times that all of her emails with the state department, etc are properly documented and could be subject to FOIA requests. This is technically correct, we could get copies of any emails sent to/from Hillary Clinton and other members of our government.
What really concerns me, that I see nobody talking about is: we have no clue and no record that we can trust that documents Hillary Clinton's communications with governments not our own. What were the communications with the head of the State Department was having with Russia, China, Iran, etc? I understand that a great many of these communications may be "classified" or otherwise sensitive and not something for general public consumption today. But we will *never* be able to FOIA such documents 25, 50 or 100 years from now. Our inability to re-construct the details of historical events in the future has been greatly damaged.
The simple fact that even our own president can't say "get me every damn email that Clinton has sent to Russia" should be worrying to everybody.
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The technical term is "mis-remembering." It worked re: her story about ducking bullets after landing at an airport, which was later demonstrated as being false... Er, mis-remembered.
She's a politician, what does everyone expect? They are all the same and will always be. What's the argument here?
...can whitewash Mrs Clinton in less than 10 minutes. They are specialists in torturing words until they mean exactly the opposite. They also think of this activity as something of a "sport". And when they have bullshitted their own brains into total incompetence, they will claim it is all the fault of the "evil capitalists" who have preserved sanity and did not let the commie bullshit into their brains.
And should the commies ever come to power, they will certainly torture humans to death, not just words. That does not stop corrupt commie journalists to glorify the commie war against Spain or against the Cuban people. Somehow communism is "good" even though it killed more people than any other brutish ideology ever did. See the effects of self-brainfucking ?
Folks, we had chevaliers for centuries who knew how to rule without resorting to raw brutishness. Let's remember and study these heros of our culture and despise of the Sparta-inspired scumbaggers who want to transform the Anglosaxon and general Germanic world into a hellhole.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_der_Gro%C3%9Fe
Indict her now!!! What a disturbing mess this is. She needs to quietly walk away and in return there MIGHT not be any charges.
Even before this increasingly indefensible law-breaking (where many have been sent to Federal prison for far-less sensitive leaks), her negatives were sky-high. If she stays in, people who normally wouldn't give a toss of even voting *for* anyone will come out in droves to vote *against* her (and her husband).
I would like to think she actually cared enough about what this inevitable result would do to this country (a GOP reign of terror including packing the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, then gay marriage, then ObamaCare, then...), that she would drop out. But I doubt it: she's just too desirous for ultimate power and willing to ignore the fact that even if she were miraculously POTUS, jack-shit would get done as she would be opposed even more than Obama.
Bernie can't win (too old, too Northeastern, too 'socialist', too Jewish); the only one with a shot is Elizabeth Warren, who I hope was only tactically waiting for the inevitable Clinton implosion before 'changing her mind'. She actually is willing to go after Wall Street crime (as opposed to BHO and HRC), which might give her a shot with those same folk that would be voting 'anyone but Hillary'.
Did you not receive your copy of the Democrat talking points?
She was also planning to use teamviewer for The Button.
"Hillary is calculating, corrupt, and evil."
At that level of American (maybe even non american in some cases) politic pretty much all politician are corrupt and probably having sociopathic tendencies (evil if you prefer).
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
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Yet they did the same thing.
Hell, GW Bush had thousands of his off-government emails deleted after they were asked for in an investigation.
By all means prosecute Hilary.
Lets go for all the others too, so that we don't have the claim of bias or lack of knowledge.
If one private e-mails goes out that was not related to her work as secretary of state.
She's going to say "SEE!" and she will ride that all the way to the white house.
Depends on their mood and other supporting evidence... such an action could be seen as anticipatory obstruction of justice.
Help Brendan pay off his student loans
Bernie Sanders for president!!
Maybe it's time for Scooter Libby to run for POTUS ?
Or Armitage?
We hear about it all the time. IT is a hindrance to business and productivity. People start using they own methods to get around policies. Their managers with their own budgets get on board and the process continues. It's nice to see that in some instances, this catches up with them and they get burned.
IT is not a policy maker or directly an enforcer but is often times blamed or held accountable for decisions that business leaders make. Those same business leaders then do nothing when other people go around their policies. IT gets caught in the middle.
My company uses bitlocker to go and does not allow split tunneling for many reasons. We are asked to make many exceptions for random people just because they are "important". We in IT accommodate with no questions asked but those important people are also usually non technical and the ones that have some of the most valuable information to steal. When it happens, somehow everyone forgets and it is ITs fault.
is that her email server was compromised almost the entire time she was using it...and someone who hacked it also turned over information about the CIA's "The Annex" outpost to the eventual attackers in Benghazi. Of course, the idea that the people living around the area might have noticed the additional CIA agents (at least, what, 20-50 people working in The Annex?) and told someone might be more realistic...but I like the idea that she accidentally burned our agents via poor ITSEC just seems far more satisfying.
Shouldn't personal email directed to a person be considered - private - even for Secretary of States. What about the right to privacy of the people who communicated with Clinton. Isn't this whole controversy being exploited by Clintons enemies in Washington.
I had a Top Secret clearance for 15 or 20 years before I retired. We never received any classified email. You had to have a screen room or tempist computer to even use secure email. Our agency had none. After the OPM hack ..would be hard to say if anything is secure any more.
Everybody seems to be ignoring the most important questions:
1. What kind of server was it?
2. What OS?
3. Which MTA?
I mean, if she rescued some old Sun pizza box from the dumpster, installed Gentoo and a heavily patched Qmail, then she gets my vote for sure! If it was a Dell running Windows Server and Exchange ... well ... that bitch can go straight to hell.
You need to look through the closet communists in the media and their drivel. They will tell you that your nation's suicide is a Good Thing(TM). And surely they hate folks like Putin who care about their nation.
Then hit the internet and actively deconstruct their lies. Be a defender of your culture and your nation. Or submit to "political correctness" and have your country transformed into Africa 2.0 complete with Sharia law and all of it. The commies currently try to execute this in Germany, with lots of success.
When they say "Greece invented democracy" you know that some shitty thing will come behind, usually hatred for Anglosaxon or general Germanic culture. Here is the truth:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_%28assembly%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
...will work overtime for Comradine Hillary.
Sounds like you read "How to Lie with Statistics", since the sheer number of EO's means nothing compared with the contents.
When the next president has "only" 33 but they are packed with hated directives, I'm sure you will be similarly sanguine...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Somebody is throwing around some serious mod power in this post.
Nobody is required to keep records around in case somebody wants to use them for evidence later. If the disks were wiped before any official investigation started, that's probably OK.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
That depends on when the wipe actually happened.
If the erasure/destruction happened as she was leaving State... such a case would be hard to prove.
David Kernell would beg to differ. Who is he? The guy who hacked Sarah Palin's email account & posted the results on 4Chan then destroyed the local evidence... but only after being told by someone there that they had contacted the FBI about the matter. He's a felon now as a result, not for the hack, but trying to destroy the evidence after he had reason to believe the law had just been informed.
If the wipe had occurred say... the day after she received a subpoena, then she's going to have a problem.
How do you know when it happened? Unless you are doing a dban on the entire drive, most erasure programs you run on a local machine tend to leave enough information that a forensics person can identify not only as a sign that a wipe happened, but even sometimes when.
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"U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 101, Section 2071, Paragraph a: “Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
Paragraph b: Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
Seems to be an offence right there
"nuggets", or in the refrigerator next to your package of "American Slices"
Don'tcha just love the crap marketing folks and political people can come up with?
My favorite one is still from a politician I did not particularly like (Bush43) - "Strategery", which somehow seems to perfectly fit the brains of most of the clowns who populate D.C.; it's almost a Freudian slip, as though the DC elites (in BOTH parties) think they can manipulate the planet to their own benefit like some strategy applied in a massive game of stratego. Incidentally, I think the worst newspeak word ever created is "Counter-factual", which politicians use as a glossy prop to say "sure, I was wrong but I would have been REALLY right if the facts were different - so give me credit for being a genius anyway..."
that the smartest and most-qualified to be president woman in America, who was running the State Department and answering directly to President Obama was too stupid to know that intelligence from NRO satellites ought to be carefully protected and not stored on a server in her basement????
Presumably, you also would have no problem with a USAF missile man tweeting out stuff from a silo as long as the info tweeted was missing a big red ink stamp that said "Classified!"? Just HOW do you think stuff gets classified and by whom? Are you really hanging on the DNC talking point that any information that the government has can be treated with zero security precautions until somebody hits it with a big rubber stamp even if everybody handling it knows full-well it is a very sensitive state secret? The new idea is that Hillary can be excused for being a foolish reckless dolt because no low-level flunky put a stamp on something to make the obvious, well, OBVIOUS????
Classified document leak? Do you think Hillary Clinton will manage to flee to Hong Kong and then get asylum in Russia?
If anyone pulled something like this they would be facing criminal charges in a hurry. There are many misconceptions people seem to have about classified. Perhaps things are different outside the DOE, but: 1. No classified may be emailed over public networks even if encrypted, because, 2. No classified may exist outside of the classified network which is air gapped from internet exposed networks, period! 3. If you aren't absolutely 100.000% sure information is not classified, you do not move forward with any action until consulting with a specialist who can make determinations of what is classified. Public officials who violate the laws that would send me to the slammer immediately if I broke them should face an even stricter standard.
Others have stated similarly, but as someone who has been responsible for classifying material, *you* are responsible for classifying it appropriately- and you always err on the side of caution. You have to classify each paragraph, and if necessary, each sentence. This is a big deal. And , as someone else mentioned, this does taint the entire server. Google "classified spill" for lovely details.
I bet you that the server was handed over to Obama's DoJ with hard drives manufactured after Hillary Clinton left office...
Ken
Remember how her Rose Law billing records 'mysteriously' just appeared on the table in the Private a Residence portion of the White House? The Private a Residence is, arguably, one of the most secure places in the a White House, which is, arguably, one of the most secure buildings in the world...
Ken
Occam's Razor: After all the Hillary conspiracies and accusations for 25 odd years, either she's a mastermind crook for hiding many dozens of smoking guns, or those who make those volumes of accusations are full of shit and bias.
Table-ized A.I.
Let me make this clear; I do believe she's a political gamer who dances on the border of the law, but so is every other politician out there. Honest politicians can't compete in a sound-bite world. It's slime-bag versus slime-bag.
Table-ized A.I.
These are not serious people that take their jobs seriously. They're status seeking climbers that have long ago surpassed their competency.
Neither Hillary nor Kerry are sharp or serious enough to hold these jobs. They have no concept of the responsibility they're assuming or the fundamental adjustments in attitude they require.
A birthday clown does not have the same mentality as a general commanding an invasion into hostile territory. A guy flipping burgers does not have the same mentality as a guy preforming open heart surgery.
I'm not talking about education or experience but how seriously you're taking what you're doing. You have to understand that if you fuck up people die. That if you fuck up a war could start and it will be your fault even if no one ever fingers you with the blame.
Who here thinks Hillary was a competent head of state? Kerry? They're birthday clowns.
I feel comfortable with them doing something that isn't life or death. I think Hillary was fine in the US Senate for example... same with Kerry. I think the Senate is a great place for people like that if they have to be in government... you could die in that job and who would even notice? Your ability to do real harm in the Senate is limited by the other forces that will control that sort of behavior.
But as the head of the state department? what the fuck is Obama thinking putting these morons in charge of that? What is the game?
I don't know... I want to believe Obama is a mysterious genius but the more I see nonsense like this the more I think he's in over his head as well.
Could I do a better job? it sounds like the height of arrogance. But I wouldn't put career politicians with no real track record of competence besides loyalty to a political faction into positions of that much power. I'd pick people that lived and breathed foreign policy. Someone that perhaps was an expert in the region that was most problematic. I would be very happy to grab someone that was relatively low status but high intelligence/competence and just put them in that seat.
We have this ossifying political structure where only people that were previously powerful can be accepted to other powerful positions. That's the old kings and nobles system. Fuck that. Grab no bodies that are most competent and put them in the seat.
The only place I want to see these two idiots is with their faces painted making balloon animals.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Don't we have something important to talk about... like Obamascare or abortion???