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Windows 10 Now a 'Recommended Update' For Windows 7 and 8.1 Users (betanews.com)
Mark Wilson writes: Microsoft has been accused of pushing Windows 10 rather aggressively, and the company's latest move is going to do nothing to silence these accusations. For Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users, Windows 10 just became a 'recommended update' in Windows Update.
This is a change from the previous categorization of the upgrade as an 'optional update' and it means that there is renewed potential for unwanted installations. After the launch of Windows 10, there were numerous reports of not only the automatic download of OS installation files, but also unrequested upgrades. The changed status of the update means that, on some machines, the installation of Windows 10 could start automatically.
This is a change from the previous categorization of the upgrade as an 'optional update' and it means that there is renewed potential for unwanted installations. After the launch of Windows 10, there were numerous reports of not only the automatic download of OS installation files, but also unrequested upgrades. The changed status of the update means that, on some machines, the installation of Windows 10 could start automatically.
to upgrade? Our MSP says never. They say we have to buy all new licenses since there is no upgrade available.
done.
Or, just install Linux.
done.
Microsoft is sick and tired of customers resisting their latest shiny upgrade, and downright pissed off when they resist successfully, as with Vista and 8. So they are going all-in on establishing the capability to push any and all code/UI they want, for any purpose they want (DRM/adware/spyware/forced account login/whatever), to your machine at any time. If the current Windows 10 updates are this evil, imagine what they'll be like when users have no alternative.
What's the KB code number so I can hide it?
Whipslash arrived and fired you immediately. Farewell and thanks for all the stories and dupes over the years.
take your nasty crappy spyware modern metro flat ugly boring os and shove it up ballmers ass! we dont want what your giving away for free!
Rather than fiddling with keys and password recoveries, we have just installed Linux Mint.
No complains or further questions. People use computer for browsing mostly.
MSoft only has our best interest. Sheez. So sensitive.
Let me just say, "don't".
Never mind the spyware. I had Win8.1 for 18 months before I "upgraded" to Win10. Since the upgrade I've had:
1) ctl + left mouse to move a window. Release the wrong button first and the window goes full screen instead.
2) Random mouse locations when clicking left button. Ex: in a web browser hit the back button, it goes full screen. In a web browser click a bookmark group, it minimizes. etc etc etc
3) Close laptop, go to bed. Get up in the morning, laptop has installed updates and rebooted, wants your permission to continue.
4) Default app behaviours change suddenly. Just this morning I opened a pdf on my hard drive and Edge opened it,, not the pdf file viewer I've used for the last few years.
5) Uptime seems to be a week. If it's not updating then when you open your laptop it just doesn't respond.
I bought this laptop November 2013, it came with Win 8.0 and I immediately upgraded to 8.1. Had no issues. Mistakenly "upgraded" to Win10 last summer, all the above issues have plagued me since. If I had to do it all over again I would, in order, stay 8.1 (I'm a gamer, need Windows), go Linux, go Mac, go Win10.
Next it will be a critical update.
Here's my recommendation to Microsoft, go fuck yourself.
You want to fuck up my Windows 7 machine? You want to fuck me with your ads and spying on me? See my recommendation above.
I've made it my business to never do what Microsoft recommends. That has served me well over the years.
This is annoying considering I've had to downgrade several laptops to Windows 7 recently because the Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 drivers simply don't work properly with each laptop for one reason or another. These laptops are between 6 - 24months old, but even with the manufacturers recommended drivers there have been severe driver issues, resulting in USB 2 and 3 controllers stopping randomly, display switching faults, and chipset driver conflicts. I've spent countless hours trying to resolve these issues but in the end, going back to Windows 7 has been the best thing I could've done. I am now going to need to disable automatic updates and remember to do so any time I need to reinstall Windows :( dammit Microsoft, not everyone wants Windows 10 Spyware Edition, nor does it work for every machine yet (or maybe ever considering the same driver issues have existed for 8, 8.1, and 10).
CDW has the upgrade for only $279.99.
It's very confusing how Mucrosoft says they want everyone to upgrade, but they block Vista and all Enterprise versions.
who misread the title saying Windows 7 and 8.1 were recommended updates for Windows 10.
Windows Revenue is down 50% because of the mobile revolution. Then there are technologies like Citrix that are challenging Microsoft's dominance in corporate America.
The new business model is obvious; monetize non-business customers by trapping them in a windows through a walled garden while selling their personal information to the highest bidder while protecting the corporate deployment base.
Microsoft thinks all their customers are mom and dad surfing e-mail on their home pc's when in reality they just killed tens of thousands of small businesses, small pc shops, SOHO offices and so forth running windows PC's with legacy code. This is the knucklehead moment where they behead themselves and the market realizes just how dangerous Microsoft really is. They are going to tick off a lot of people and impress nobody if they pull this off successfully; given the state of the market and computers in general I doubt they are going to get out of this unscathed.
This freaks me out
"Close laptop, go to bed. Get up in the morning, laptop has installed updates and rebooted, wants your permission to continue"
Insightful. Can you tell us more about your flower delivery business?
I need Azure powershell for work. Too bad ps will not run in linux...
They don't consider how this crap works in a slow internet environment. I'm on boat in Mexico. Internet is slow when you can get it at all. I don't have the bandwidth for your ads and your spyware. I need weather data! Ever try and use outlook on slow internet? it spends most of it's time [not responding]!
I had a situation where my long range wifi usb port pulled out. So I figured I'd just change my mac address on my notebook to the one that died so I can keep using the internet service I paid for... but NOOOOO they block me from doing that.
What happened to when a computer used to be a tool? Now it's a spyware machine I'm supposed to pay for?!
It's very confusing how Mucrosoft says they want everyone to upgrade, but they block Vista and all Enterprise versions.
Well, that does make Enterprise worth the money...
Just in case you're looking for another reason not to switch.
I put this conversation up as a discussion topic here on /. - http://answers.microsoft.com/e...
Com port management has never been great in Windows and in Win 10, if you are doing device development work or working with different devices which allocate com ports, you may find yourself running out of them and/or applications no longer working because the allocated port number is higher than the range the application handles.
Very disappointing non-response by Microsoft and their employees.
Mimetics Inc. Twitter
This freaks me out
"Close laptop, go to bed. Get up in the morning, laptop has installed updates and rebooted, wants your permission to continue"
Continue to do what? Laugh at you because you lost unsaved work?
Yep. They just made all those alternatives (Android tablets, chrombooks, Mac, Linux...) a lot more attractive.
Indeed, I'm glad I used my MSDN to install 7E on all my machines. No stealth OS upgrades...
Which doesn't help those of us that are web devs that need to upgrade to test on Edge.
Easy to use and keeps all that crap off your machines. I don't want Windows 10 and now I won't get it.
I just LOVE the advise that there is some issue with your hard drive, or by booting into Safe Mode that too will somehow fix it.
I don't need another reason. I looked at Windows 7 and Windows 8 and paid in my opinion way too much for Windows 7.
When I order something online and get another product than the one I ordered I expect to be able to return the incorrectly delivered goods and get the one I ordered.
...shouldn't you be running Desqview and Dos?
During the leadup to the release of Windows 10 at the end of July of last year, I remember that they were repeatedly stating that it would only be free to current Windows users for the first year after its initial public release (July 29, 2015).
Given MS's actions since with regards to Windows 10 and how they are pushing the upgrade that people have to explicitly opt out of, I believe it is quite apparent that they were only saying that to try and encourage people to adopt it early, and never had any intent to charge for it at all.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
saving is good practice, but your machine should not be rebooting or waking up unless you've set it to do so.
At least I wasn't told to reimage the PC...
Mimetics Inc. Twitter
but wut all user update their window and maximum use 4 window 10?
This. It sucks that Microsoft is treating the people that bought a much more expensive version worse than the people that got it for free with a computer.
Why does MS feel its so important for us to upgrade?
I’m happy with Win 7, and the accounting program we use in the office is not Win 10 ready, and many of the games I play are not Win 10 ready.
I don't understand why MS feels they have to force Win 10 on us when many are perfectly happy with the Win we have.
So what? The value of a Windows 7/8/8.1 user is $0 to Microsoft. The value of a Windows 10 user is $x per year. The only thing that matters is converting as many people as possible to Windows 10. If in the process they break a PC that cannot possibly run Window 10, then it's not a loss.
Why would you bother testing on Edge? It's not like anyone uses it.
Maybe one of these years ReactOS will become a viable for the non-neckbeard set.
'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
I paid a significant premium for Windows Ultimate to get CableCard DVR support for premium content. Any upgrade that takes away that feature is a downgrade. Thanks but no thanks.
I mean I'm dual booting it with Win 8.1 (with classic shell) but Win10 has issue for me. Most notably how often it ignores when I click on the windows icon and the UI kind of locks up. (Mouse still works but I have to wait a minute before whatever it's doing finishes then the UI starts updating.) Actually the latest was I was logged into one account, switched to a Microsoft account and then it wouldn't let me log out to go back to the first one. (Those spinning balls kept going for 10 minutes, I just reset the whole system.) Anyway I guess maybe in another 6 months it'll be ready for prime time.
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
In other words they're making it as difficult as possible to avoid upgrading.
Why don't you test to HTML standards instead? That way your website will work no matter who browses it.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
Although I have a number of legitimate copies of Win7, I much prefer my pirated copy that disables all updates.
Yeah, yeah, security/viruses. IDGAF when it's been a decade since I've gotten one and I back everything up. Don't download or browse sketchy shit.
"How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options:" https://support.microsoft.com/...
No no, user want Microsoft all use user Windows 10 maximum update.
Windows 10 is terribly unpredictable. It'll sleep with your wife if you leave the room.
It probably won't work in older versions of Internet Explorer if it adheres to standards.
In practice, it is unfortunately necessary to test websites in browser that clients will use. Browsers contain heaps of bugs (and 'features' with similar effects) and workarounds are often necessary to ensure that the website will actually work. The situation is not nearly as bad as it was ten years ago -- browsers adhere to standards much better and the browsing landscape is more diverse -- but the problem persists.
What do you think happens after the 1 year anniversary of Windows 10 launch?
Will Microsoft finally stop harassing everyone to get its way?
Will an indefinite extension be announced at the last minute?
Will windows 10 become a critical security update? Will it be installed as an update to windows update? Will the nag screens ever go away?
I had one worse than that. Playing Fallout 4, not triggered an autosave in a while, hit esc so its paused while I have dinner, come back to my linux log in screen. Windows had decided to reboot my machine for updates WHILE a full screen program was running. Brilliant.
I agree. Microsoft seems to be moving toward a subscription model. That means that all computers using Windows will have to connect to the internet frequently, otherwise Windows won't work. Adobe Systems does that with Adobe CS6.
Most people don't defend themselves against slowly increasing abuse.
We went to an Apple store last weekend. Yes. Right. Me. In an Apple store looking at what they have to offer. The kids hate windows 10. The wife doesn't want to deal with it. Almost got her across the line for a linux laptop.
Pity the Mac still doesn't have right-click.
I've been posing (and pondering) this question ever since I was convinced that Microsoft was not charging money for the upgrade to Windows 10:
Why?
One of the major business model innovations underlying Microsoft's "success" is ignoring the end user. Microsoft has increasingly focused on selling to the makers and the end users are basically forced to go along. Yeah, Apple survived (after a near death experience), but I'm still doubtful that the most creative accountants can show profits from the OS side of their business model. Linux remains a niche player for lack of any good business models, but MS got fat from the manufacturers.
Now Microsoft suddenly bites the hands that have been feeding it? Actually, more like gnawing off the arms at the elbows. The makers are in a commodity business of the nastiest, lowest-profits sort, and many of them can't afford to skip the new-box sales for a year or so, just because so many older machines suddenly become like-new again.
MS has plenty of cash in the bank. "Honey badger don't care" which makers survive. There will be at least a couple of makers around to sell new computers, and Microsoft will just pick up where it left off. However, it has also become pretty clear they are trying to muscle in on part of Apple's business model, and maybe the google's, as well.
Evidently all the makers can say is "That hurts."
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
If I had a mod point to my name, I'd give you an extra insightful, even though you didn't mention the key word I was searching for, privacy. Also, I'd refer you to my comment about the business models in relation to gnawing the arms off the makers...
"Free from Microsoft" is an oxymoron.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Most people do not care. Computers are just tools you know. We are interested in results.
Like hell they did. First off, the reason the many small shops haven't upgraded Windows (let alone migrated to another OS) is because they're running legacy applications - not available on later versions of Windows *or* on alternative OS's. And when those places do go to upgrade - long odds are any replacement application is only available for Windows. (Not to mention, the average Joe goes for what he knows, not the neckbeards wet dream.)
Yeah, no shit. I've hated Apple and their computers for decades, but now I would sooner buy a Mac than touch Windows 10.
Fortunately Linux seems to be shaping up a lot recently with things like Android/Remix OS, SteamOS, Linux Mint and elementary OS. Give me the hardware support of Linux Mint with the UI of elementary OS and the compatibility of SteamOS and Remix OS and Windows will be nothing but a dim memory.
You must be one of those ghetto people who keep places like Rent-A-Center in business.
When a business no longer provides a worthwhile product or service which it can sell, it switches to lock-in/rent-seeking mode.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
"Close laptop, go to bed. Get up in the morning, laptop has installed updates and rebooted, wants your permission to continue"
Windows 10 will always ask when you want to restart.
You can also go to Advanced Power Settings and disable scheduled timers if you don't want to wake up your laptop to install updates.
I know about Myth TV, but Media Center does everything I need it to do, even drives my VFD display using Media Center Magic, Been using it since MCE 2005. Yes I blocked every updates, but for Joe Six Pack it's gonna be a downgrade. GWX control panel can help, but not everyone knows about it.
Unless Microsoft gives me a way to use my tuners in win 10, I'm not upgrading.
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
if you are doing device development work or working with different devices which allocate com ports, you may find yourself running out of them and/or applications no longer working because the allocated port number is higher than the range the application handles.
Weird because you would think with more powerful systems, the OS would be updated to handle more ports. No reason to keep the limit artificially low.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
It makes it worthwhile to install a pirate Enterprise version over a legit Home or Pro one.
Heck, in the bad old days it was a good idea to do that to get rid of Norton etc. crapware and claim back gigabytes lost in a recovery partition.
If I only could still upgrate to get this worse treatment.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
MS should have named it better.
I did a search off the link in the article for the exact KB number for the update.
It's KB 3035583
This is actually old news, this has been in recommended updates for a little while now. It only shows up if you have your network type set to "home" instead of "work" or whatever the 3rd one is.
So, change your network type to 'work' and you're good.
Microsoft provides full instructions to disable the Windows 10 update offering.
This is an age old problem - circa 1995. Windows is not good for engineering use.
Not an Apple fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I bought my wife a MacBook Pro last year, just to get her off Windows and thus purge our home of its last vestige of Windows.
Oh, BTW... Right-click worked just fine on the MCP from the moment we plugged in a two-button USB mouse. Just so you know.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Sorry, but the image you linked doesn't show an option to prompt before restarting. It's either restart when Windows decides it wants to or always restart at a specific time. There is no way to have it notify but not reboot and no way to have manual updates.
Linux does it right - the thing you plug in first becomes /dev/ttyUSB0, followed by 1, 2, 3...
Windows ties the name to the device serial number, so each device gets a unique port name. That sucks if you work in a lab and there are many similar devices.
Well, I think being free from any MS product doesn't sound that bad.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser can take 10–30 minutes to run. During this time, the script will continuously provide status reports that it is running. Please be patient! If the script is failing in an infinite loop, this means that you don’t have the necessary prerequisite Windows updates installed.
30 minutes to evaluate if my laptop can run w10? WTF?
If the script is failing in an infinite loop, ... this means that Microsoft engineers don't have ANY FUCKING CLUE how to write software at all. And they don't give a fuck what you and I think, or want, or need.
That's it, the end of the road for me. They made it official and definitive, all by their little selves.
The moment that I see any sign of w10 on my laptop at home, it gets instantly UPGRADED to mint.
I can live perfectly well without Sony, and I can live perfectly well without MS.
My mother's new laptop will NOT be MS, it will be chrome, android, linux or (lord forbid) apple.
I would've preferred Sailfish for her, but there aren't any yet...
That window itself is the prompt. Windows 10 informs in a notification about new updates being available and then that particular window shows up. It does not allow to completely skip updates, but it always asks what to do, so updates don't happen behind your back.
Thanks for the heads up on that one. This is a show-stopper bug for me. I was considering the path forward from Windows 7. It appears there isn't one.
I have determined that my sig is indeterminate.
Which amounts to "disable Windows 10 update by installing spyware we've backported into Windows 7 and 8". No thanks.
your so lame
Literacy isn't your strong point, is it?
Do you realise that "stabbing in the back" does in fact "happen behind the back"?
Just because sharp pain alerts you to being stabbed, doesn't make it any less of a "suddenly coming from behind" situation.
Spoken like someone who's never written a public facing website
I was just dealing with the fallout from Microsoft's upgrade push today. My mother upgraded from 7 to 10 and 10 would no longer support the 1600 x 900 her shitty HP monitor wanted to do. If I hadnt come along she would have been stuck on an extremely low rez setting (which is all Wondows 10 would support on her monitor) for god only knows how long because there was no driver update for her crappy on board video card to solve the problem.
Was that specifically Miscrosofts fault? No.
Should they have been pushing an OS upgrade like they were on people with old crappy hardware? the answer is also no.
I put her back on system 7 and everything works fine now.
I ignore Anonymous Coward posts. If you want to discuss something, that's awesome. Log in.
Whenever you see some shit about no right mouse button, or some such, you know you're dealing with a whiny, retarded, shit-for-brains asshole. Just so you know.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
What's the problem? Microsoft tells you how to block the automatic upgrade right on their own site. https://support.microsoft.com/...
Watch out for Fine Brothers...
You are all just being change-averse.
And -- please: show a bit of gratitude towards Microsoft, your Masters.
Or possibly just ignorant. Ignorance != "whiny, retarded, shit-for-brains".
*Wilful* ignorance is a different story. But I see no indication that this is the case here, so I'll go with the benefit of the doubt thing until I see evidence to the contrary.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I'm going to get a new gaming PC sometime next year, and probably I'd "have to" run Windows 10 on it.
Luckily, I can still get Windows Server 2016 from Dreamspark.
Looks like it will have all the features of Windows 10 with bits that allow you to turn OFF all the nastinesses.You can just install Audio and DirectX support and play. I know of friends who have done this with Windows Server 2012, so it should be ok.
As a bonus, I can have a domain controller in my home, so that if wife ever needs to have Windows 10 in her computer, we can just have it join the domain and remain in our control, not Microsoft's.
Why does DirectX have such a hold on gamers?
Is there nothing out there strong enough to compete and let people get off of windows?
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
Ha! I don't have a wife!
Foiled again, Microsoft!
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You say that like it (not being made to downgrade to 10) is a bad thing.
Man am I glad I scraped every vestige of the Win10 malware droppers out of both my system and the machines of assorted family and neighbours I support some months ago, and switched Windows Update to manual. Now I can control what does (security fixes) and doesn't (the Win10 droppers) get installed.
That should be off by default.
saving is good practice, but your machine should not be rebooting or waking up unless you've set it to do so.
If you have configured it right, it doesn't. We can argue what is the right default settings (for a wide range of users/possible scenarios), but I've always assumed that people here on Slashdot was able to configure their OS, it isn't that hard.
Amen.
I have been poor before but I have always refused to rent furniture.
You end up paying double for it.
I've had a couple of family members bring me their laptops with Windows 10 issues. While I'm for people learning about their own computers and taking decisive actions, but the current Windows 10 upgrade push is irresponsible. From Microsoft's perspective things are looking great if this works. More people will be on the later versions of Windows. Great for them.
But this push is advertised to EVERYONE, regardless of hardware age. So that older Toshiba laptop gets an upgrade courtesy of grandma pushing yes to the Windows 10 prompt. Everything installs correctly until a week down the track when there's obviously something wrong with the NVidia drivers, or the bluetooth stack. Head off to the Toshiba support site to grab drivers and only 8.1 is supported with NO intention of providing anything later. And they aggressively version check in the setup, so a very manual installation is required. Same goes for HP.
While I think it's great getting everyone on a level playing field. I think they really should make sure that the hardware is supported by the vendors before recommending the upgrade.
Task Mangler
Yes it does. You just need to turn it on in the settings.
Games usually close without prompting when you press ALT+F4. They can handle the WM_CLOSE & WM_QUERYENDSESSION events; open a "Do you really want to quit" dialog and prevent a logoff. But I haven't seen many games that do this properly.
09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
That window itself is the prompt.
Wow, now THAT is a pathetic excuse. Sorry, but that's not a prompt. A prompt is something that occurs dynamically to let the user know that something wants their attention at the current time and that no further action will happen until the user gives input.
It does not allow to completely skip updates
Taking the ability to control the computer away from the user is a serious design flaw.
but it always asks what to do, so updates don't happen behind your back.
No, it never asks what to do. It does not prompt the user and the user has to specifically know to, know how to and manually open that window in order to have even a vague hint of when a reboot *might* occur at some time in the not immediate hereafter. That isn't good enough and is further evidence of the shady behaviour that Windows 10 exhibits. Why is it trying so hard to hide what it's doing to the user? Why doesn't it allow the user to control their own computer if they decide they want to?
The answer: lock-in. Once you have updated to Windows 10 and are beyond your 30 day "grace period" to recover your previous OS, your ass belongs to Microsoft and they can use you in whatever way they want. This includes unwanted updates, unwanted snooping, unwanted software, unwanted ads, unwanted restrictions and probably eventually unwanted subscription fees.
No-where there does it say 'don't reboot without me clocking to confirm it'.
It's all options to reboot without your say so.
Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
Windows 10 is terribly unpredictable. It'll sleep with your wife if you leave the room.
That happened to me the other day. My wife said the laptop went to sleep on her after ten minutes, just like me.
Yeah, whatever man.
"Accused of pushing Windows 10 rather aggressively"?
I have no idea what they are supposed to do more to deserve that epithet, they have just about done everything to make people install it except making it a mandatory forced upgrade. Hell they've even resorted to outright trickery to get people to "upgrade". That's plenty aggressive enough for me, and some would argue with quite a bit of success that this is crossing the line between the unethical and the illegal, depending on jurisdiction.
at steamdb.info
27% of my games (117/432) will run under Linux and almost none of them are the big AAA titles. GabeN is on the right track but they need to move faster.
WOOSH!
Looks like someone can't see a blatant joke.
Hum, no. Is more like the original developers have retired and been replaced by incompetent script kiddies who made the last versions of Windows Live Messenger. The new kids knows nothing about serious work.
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Give it time man, the threads now 4 pages deep. Ramesh has to be getting close to the end of his script by now!
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I had one worse than that. Playing Fallout 4, not triggered an autosave in a while, hit esc so its paused while I have dinner, come back to my linux log in screen. Windows had decided to reboot my machine for updates WHILE a full screen program was running. Brilliant.
This technology was pioneered by Microsoft waaayyyyyy
back in Windows 95. LAN game, midnight hits, all the Windows PCs drop to the desktop and show a dialog saying that Windows is about to be rebooted for daylight savings time. All the windows users scream, all the DOS users laugh and laugh, and those of us familiar with Unix as well point and laugh, because a system that needs to reboot because the clock needs to change is beyond hilarious.
Microsoft is the retard in the room. They are completely beyond incompetence, technically. If it weren't for their illegal anticompetitive behavior under Bill Gates, Career Criminal, today it would be "Microsoft who?"
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
At one time an upgrade was an upgrade. Things worked better, faster, simpler and you got some nifty new features. It was more stable and secure. Now every new upgrade seems to come with many undesirable side effects. Interfaces change. Settings move or are eliminated. Productivity drops. Stuff that used to work does not. After a couple of times having updates/upgrades break your system you turn the updates off. If Microsoft had done a better job of crafting updates to not break or change settings so the system remained stable as far as the user was concerned then people would welcome the changes. I have still not forgiven Microsoft for the switch to the damned Ribbon interface in their office products.
Microsoft fails to recognize that people paid for their previous Windows and that gives them a right to use it as long as it is supported. The other issue that comes with being so aggressive with upgrading is that some user have devices that do not have enough internal storage to even install the upgrade. Yet, somehow the Windows install too never recognizes this until its gone through the first stages of installing? Why is it, that it cannot check to see if there is room when checking for compatibility? On top of that I have experienced a few USB storage devices that Windows install does not even recognize when it asks for an external device to expand storage. Bottom line this is a mess for end users and will seriously upset some users who feel Microsoft is overstepping their bounds.
I accept your tacit admission of failure.
Close laptop means close the lid, not power off, mind you.
Adobe Systems does that with Adobe CS6.
Or indeed anything from CS3 on, which is why I'm still using CS2. Remember when Adobe published the download links and the registration keys to the public internet? Those were good times.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
An Apple Macbook Pro trackpad has no buttons and doesn't need them either. Learn the 1, 2 and 3 finger moves. It works better than a mouse once you are used to it.
I predict new pc sales will go through the roof. My dad asked me to upgrade his laptop to windows 10. Three hours later, he had a new OS, but without wifi and lan. That's the time I realized his laptop is too old. Tried a quick search for drivers, put them on a usb stick etc, but couldn't get it to work within half an hour. To put an end to the frustration I bought him a new laptop. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have given up so soon, but it's better for everyone this way.
Please login to access my lawn
Funny that, maybe because triggering a full computer shutdown is something that is not normally done while a full screen program is blocking the screen. People multitask a lot and often leave programs open with unsaved features, but rarely do people multi-task with games to the point that they need to be reminded to save their work because the user decided to erroneously shutdown without closing a program first.
The other problem of course is that the OS forces the issue if the programs don't eventually respond, so if someone is out getting some food they won't have time to get back and save.
Short-sighted manager-think. The value of a satisfied Windows 7 user is that the next PC they buy will be a Windows PC. There are people who call me to set up their Wifi repeater and while I'm there they ask me about Linux. That's the level of dissatisfaction that MS produces at the moment. Can you imagine a Microsoft which derives most of its revenue from peddling the office suite to MacOS users? No? Me neither.
Ten minutes? What do you do for the other eight?
You are welcome on my lawn.
...given the state of the market and computers in general I doubt they are going to get out of this unscathed.
I disagree. Having watched Microsoft do this to people year after year (do you seriously believe this is a first for Microsoft?), it's obvious that the sheep will be sheep. Very few in the general Microsoft-using public will listen to the shephard who tells them that the predator eats sheep.
Microsoft will be hurt by mobile and, to a lesser extent, LibreOffice. But the general public is so accustomed to being abuse by Microsoft that they don't even notice for what it is (and never have).
My printer is an HP LaserJet 4000. It's ancient. It still works 100% perfectly and it takes super-huge super-cheap toner cartridges. By telling Windows 7 that it's a LJ 4100 PCL6, it still works wonderfully. I didn't even try it on Windows 8.x but if you try to use it on Windows 10 with ANY HP LaserJet driver, guess what? All text comes out as black boxes. All of it. Thus Windows 10 is a no-go because it discards support for my ancient but fully functional network printer. I understand "removing legacy cruft" but tossing support for the LJ 4000 is just stupid. Tons of those printers still exist and it's not like the internal workings are even remotely complicated.
This whole "no support for older hardware" thing has been a massive pain; if an OS upgrade renders your perfectly workable peripheral unusable, I see that as a downgrade, and depending upon the particular piece of equipment it could be a very expensive one to replace. It made more sense when Vista was the first 64-bit Windows NT kernel to receive widespread "first-class" support and the 32-bit drivers didn't work, but at this point there is no excuse whatsoever for something that works on Vista 64-bit not having a driver that works on Win10 64-bit. Sometimes I wonder if Microsoft has an agreement with HP to force people to buy new printers and scanners through planned obsolescence.
Well, it's called "progress". Embrace it. Out with the old, in with the new.
So you didn't configure Windows update properly (either due to ignorance or laziness), and you blame Microsoft? The default setting for updates is to automatically restart, however you can change it to notify to restart and you won't have the experience you did. The reason it's not the default setting is because the stupid fucking masses are too incompetent to look after their machines, so Microsoft has to.
Any decent computer-literate individual (particularly one who posts on Slashdot of all places) should be going through all the major settings when installing/upgrading Windows so that it's too their liking. Windows update is a major setting, so it's your fault for having it misconfigured.
That has been the case since Vista. There are no new issues with com ports in Win10 that I have encountered. I use Bluetooth RFCOMM, USB to serial adapters, and com0com and other virtual ports, port pass through to virtual machines, and TCP/IP to serial and reverse. What you described started with Vista where above com3, there are some internal Windows issues using a higher port number.
Now's not good.
Tomorrow? too soon to tell.
Next Thursday? you're kidding right, how do I know what stuff I'll be in the middle of a whole week from now.
How about never, is never good for you?
Don't call me, I'll call you.
Windows 7 is a pain to install on modern systems mostly due to a lack of drivers. At this point there's no going back I'm afraid - on a PC it's going to be either Windows 10 or Linux. Linux still lacks mainstream support in both hardware and software (commercial at least), and there's zero chance of that changing any time soon as Microsoft's fuckups have given the Linux camp sufficient ammo over the years and have squandered every opportunity given. Might as well accept that as is the nature of technology, it's easier to just go with the flow than resist the tide for ever and ever.
Oh now i see what your issue is. All you have to do is load the device manager with a flag set to show all detached devices. There is a kb that shows how to permanently add the flag to the user environment so it's always opened with the flag. This is also not new in Win10.
See here
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff553955(v=vs.85).aspx
I really wish they had included Vista. I have an older less used machine that runs Vista that I would love to upgrade. It doesn't even seem to update Security Essentials anymore. I'm seriously considering just putting Ubuntu on it since it's mostly just used by my kids occasionally to browse the web and play music.
Perhaps after they get everyone paying the subscription model (After all, Xbox Live has been so successful!) for their new turd, they plan on rolling out DLC for Windows 10 that'll include artificially increasing the artificially low limit a bit. Just buy it 20 times and you'll be the rage of all the nerds stuck on Windows 10.
I think you mean Adobe CC. CS6 was the last one that wasn't subscription-based.
Two buttons on trackpad and press = right click.
If you have the recent apple mouse, although it hasnt got an obvious right button, pressing on the right side of it is a right click.
OSX fully supports USB and bluetooth - connect any mouse you want.
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Hibernate?
Worst strawman argument I've ever heard
The mom and dad surfing email users are already better served by an ipad or a chromebook, and stick with windows just because they don't know that the alternatives would suit them better.
Microsoft wants to get people even more locked in before the chance to do so slips away, without a locked in user base they are entirely unable to compete, just look at their attempts in mobile.
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For free? Never. Like every other enterprise edition, getting the new version requires new licenses.
and equally committed to making it hard to keep what is working
Isn't it amazing how the marketing spin makes something that is pure pro MS to sound like is is pure pro customer.
What's really sad here is having to choose between good for MS and good for the customer.
A smart company would setup a win win situation.
In trying to own both the computer and customer, MS is going to end up owning neither.
What's really sad is that is a great niche for them as the entity building a reasonable os and browser to help protect us from all the other hucksters out here on the Internet.
I dunno, he still has "defrag hard drive" and "run a virus scan" on the list.
Life is not for the lazy.
If a person using windows 7, say for their work happens to find that the computer upgraded overnight (automatically of course) and ruined the apps he or she needs, could there be successful litigation?
Can M$ get proper fucked for doing this?
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
"Pity the Mac still doesn't have right-click."
I was with you until the obvious troll.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
You haven't had to turn on anything in the settings for a long time.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
See subject & a link where YOUR OWN Senior VP AGREED W/ ME on bogus hosts files alterations you made -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... by displacing/removing the more efficient on initial load & parse of blocking address 0 in hosts!
(Which is smaller & faster than even 0.0.0.0 + certainly so vs. the default blocking IP address of 127.0.0.1 (largest & slowest of all) ALL SO YOU COULD BECOME AN "ADVERTISING POWER" (per Ballmer the fool who started the self-destruction ball rolling for you))
I told Foredecker/Richard Russell your then VP of Windows Client Performance Division back then in 2010 iirc, that THAT would be the start of the end for you - & it's literally coming to pass!
(Which pains me - you made a great life & career in the art & science of computing possible for me (as you were my 'weapon-of-choice' as it was for to this very day ~94++% of PC users & a 50/50 split vs. *NIX variants on servers, worldwide)).
Funniest part of all, that since that "patch Tuesday" where you caused that on 7, Vista, Server 2008 onward, you've done NOTHING BUT DROP THE BALL constantly! That 0 blocking entry still works on 2000/XP/Server 2003 though to this very day no less, but 12/09/2008 onward it doesn't on those, & you started SCREWING WITH IT on Windows 10 also on more grounds than those (where stalling the faulty with large hosts files limited datastructure FIFO queued usermode slower DNS clientside cache service isn't enough to get it to work best)??
* BOTTOM-LINE: YOU ARE LOSING PEOPLE - & minus us people, you client/customer constituency? You're nothing...
APK
P.S.=> Got a lot of money in the bank? Really?? How much is intentionally devalued gentrification of the stock & illusion of growth in "corporate buyback"??? How long can it last???? apk
At least you _have_ a wife....all I have is the laptop.
I had one worse than that. Playing Fallout 4, not triggered an autosave in a while, hit esc so its paused while I have dinner, come back to my linux log in screen. Windows had decided to reboot my machine for updates WHILE a full screen program was running. Brilliant.
I tried that while I was at the computer using windows 7. I has hosting a network game (yeah, private server for people knowing each other in real life) and windows installed an update. It them presumably gave me a warning that I should click postpone or it would restart, but since I was in fullscreen, I didn't see it. Suddenly it just restarted and kicked out everybody.
I also tried the one with going for lunch and come back to see the login screen, despite leaving a fullscreen game running. I think it was with windows 98 and it is quite possible I'm not the only one in the house at the time who remembers my investigation regarding "who touched my computer". Remember I was a teen and was used to school where unplugging computers (including power to desktops) and similar pranks were common. I particularly remember one day where I was unable to have lan connection for a whole minute at a time without being disconnected. When I finally caught the culprit, she ran to a female teacher and yelled "he is groping me" and the teacher didn't listen to what I said, despite no history of such actions. I have stuff to say about both of those two, but I fear I will trigger some profanity filters. I will just say that knowingly incorrectly accusing somebody else for a crime is a crime of it's own. Anyway that is how school worked, which is why a sudden unexpected reboot at home made me suspect siblings.
Jeebus, look at how complicated those instructions are just to disable it. If they had wanted to they could have made it a simple checkbox in the install pop-up.
I don't know why MS is pushing this update so crazy hard. But it's made me NOT want to install it...not ever. I actually was interested in upgrading to Win10 at first. But seeing how aggressively they're pushing it has made me suspicious that something skeevy is going on here behind the scenes. No way am I going to install it now.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Have you written a website in the last five years though? Unless you're really pushing some edge cases, 98% of browsers installed work the same these days.
Windows Revenue is down 50% because of the mobile revolution
Windows is only 10% of their Microsoft's total revenue according to their annual reports. A loss is a loss but don't confuse the items which make the brand recognizable as the items which make the brand money. See also - XBox division, Bing, Windows Phone, etc. Their main cash cow is Office, which is about 50% of their total revenue.
I do agree with parent on one point - Microsoft is walking a dangerous line with their business customers. We are not permitted to use Windows 10 at my current company (another LARGE well recognized brand) due to the telemetry we cannot disable. We are seriously considering stopping support with Win7 if we cannot find a happy place with group policy settings. Assuming similar trends where you start ticking off businesses - THAT is when you see problems with Microsoft as that will affect revenue from MS Office as alternatives are sought out.
The thing is, when they have to upgrade, now a different direction could very well make sense. Virtualizing and Remote Desktop solutions come in high on that list.
Spoken like an Asian developer who learned how to code for IE and has no idea what HTML/CSS/ECMA standards are, or that they actually work in all the major browsers.
Seriously, the Win10 upgrade crap has reached the point where it's effectively malware.
AV/Anti-Malware providers need to start killing it on an automated basis.
And a lawsuit needs to be brought against Microsoft for infecting their users computers with it.
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Just out of curiosity, what specific features of a public facing website can't be implemented in standard HTML and CSS?
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Windows Revenue is down 50% because of the mobile revolution. Then there are technologies like Citrix that are challenging Microsoft's dominance in corporate America.
The new business model is obvious; monetize non-business customers by trapping them in a windows through a walled garden while selling their personal information to the highest bidder while protecting the corporate deployment base.
Microsoft thinks all their customers are mom and dad surfing e-mail on their home pc's when in reality they just killed tens of thousands of small businesses, small pc shops, SOHO offices and so forth running windows PC's with legacy code. This is the knucklehead moment where they behead themselves and the market realizes just how dangerous Microsoft really is. They are going to tick off a lot of people and impress nobody if they pull this off successfully; given the state of the market and computers in general I doubt they are going to get out of this unscathed.
Not to join in on the anti MS parade here but do you have any evidence of this?
The spying folks is for Cortana and bing web searches. RELAX and put the tin foil hats away? Yes MS needs input to do a search. Outside of Cortana is there any evidence MS is going through your documents and selling your information to 3rd parties?
That is some serious liability and legal issues.
I am not a MS fanboy at all. But I find it ironic that Chrome is cool here which do EXACTLY THAT TO 3rd parties. THe incentive to upgrade to Windows 10 is because MS does not want to support XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10 and have developers target and do QA for EACH ONE. QA folks LOVE Windows 10 being the only OS. It cuts costs and enables them to use the latest features.
Ubuntu 9.10 (age of Windows 7) does not run modern Linux apps, skylake cpus, nor Kraby lake, but everyone here nails MS as the anti christ for doing the same. Also try installing 2009 era MacOSX Snow Leopard on a 2016 iMac and see how far that gets you?
I do not like WIndows 10 ATM and am not drinking the koolaid. I jsut honestly want to know if MS is selling information or is this a knee jerk reaction for those fearing change? The last users when we left XP was ridiculous as they tried to find any reason why 7 was the anti-christ.
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Hmm, that's funny, I've been using right clicks on my macs for the past 10 years or so... what am I going to do now that I know this feature does not exist???
If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?
Windows 10 is Great as long as you use it only when connected to wifi free spots. Well, and you never use personal passwords at sites, and of course never actually use your real name on the PC or any personal records etc. Then it's really really great and you can add all sorts of fake names and details about aliens from Alfa-Contrari etc.
because a system that needs to reboot because the clock needs to change is beyond hilarious.
Although an OS may (and should) support any clock changes without reboot, there is a case for rebooting when the clocks go *back*. In fact, there's a good case for shutting down, waiting an hour and then starting up again with the new time. This is what we do on our mainframe systems.
If you just set the clock back 1 hour, the OS may be perfectly able to cope but the applications may freak out, because many applications that care about date/time stamps are *not* coded to allow for a date/time of an event being earlier than one it's already seen.
In this multi-national multi-timezone world the only proper way to do date/time is by keeping everything on UTC internally and converting to local time for display purposes when appropriate. But most applications are not coded like that.
With code development and debugging, it's not unusual for me to use up 30 com ports (don't forget that each pairing allocates two ports at a time) in a day with it sometimes going as high as 50.
I *think* 255 is the limit in terms of com ports - at least that's where Windows 7 & 8 upchucked when I was doing the code development.
I've got some tricks to delete the allocated ports that I can share with people on Windows 7 & 8 if there's interest.
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Does that mean that Apple hasn't provided a worthwhile product or service since the first iPod?
On second thought, I actually kind of agree with that...
Progress != planned obsolescence. You "ending is better than mending" folks really are something else.
I'm not using windows much, I do almost all on Linux Mint kde, but I need it windows from time to time to compile and test the windows version of our product, but the last few times I booted windows 7 it slowed down to a crawl. Would the new updates have something to do with that?
Out with the old, in with the new ONLY if the new is better than the old. In this case, Windows 10 is by far the worst version of Windows to ever be released.
Jeebus, look at how complicated those instructions are just to disable it. If they had wanted to they could have made it a simple checkbox in the install pop-up.
Yes, but then people would have used it.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
"Microsoft has been accused of pushing Windows 10 rather aggressively"
In the same way that atom bombs are accused of being "rather loud".
Yeah, fuck off, Microsoft. I DO NOT WANT Windows 10.
If and when I do want it, I'm sure I'll manage to find a way to install it, but for now I don't want it, so stop trying to buttfuck my PC.
I've been looking at Linux Mint, and this may be the thing that pushes me over the line to install it and leave MS behind.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Ah, the dream of web developers everywhere. Unfortunately, the nontechnical management insists that it "look like Marketing's [photoshop] mockups". Pixel-perfect in every browser. Ick.
Windows 10 will run Windows 7 drivers. Just install the Windows 7 driver manually. Why are you using Windows' built-in driver support?
To be fair, their current mice don't even have a left-click button. Just guess where you think the button should be and press.
Nothing complicated. Supporting old versions in the consumer market costs them money. They don't want to spend that money.
Or worked on an internal enterprise web app.
But the general public is so accustomed to being abuse by Microsoft that they enjoy complaining as an excuse not to get their work done - and their bosses, teachers, and parents buy it.
FTFY
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Mod Zontar up somebody! He has it in a nutshell.
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
This is hilarious. Love the chkdsk recommendation, but not as much as safe mode where Bluetooth would be disabled anyway.
Why not to use this situation to make him use Ubuntu or something of the linux world
Yeah, they should be most aggressive about upgrading XP and Vista guys first, rather than 7. 8.1 I understand and agree w/ them
It's copyright infringement to run OS X in any of those VM products unless you're running the VM product on a Mac. As far as I'm aware, it's impossible to run an OS X-exclusive proprietary app in anything but OS X, as GNUstep is only source compatible with Cocoa, not binary compatible.
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what specific features of a public facing website can't be implemented in standard HTML and CSS?
Those features whose implementation in standard HTML and CSS requires parts of the standard that widely deployed browsers implement either A. incompletely, B. incorrectly, or C. (for parts marked as implementation-defined) in a manner whose behavior matches neither of the major free browsers (Firefox and Chromium).
Just for clarification, I was referring to the common requirement of making a website work in both Edge, which is exclusive to Windows 10, and recent Safari, which is exclusive to OS X.
I don't know why MS is pushing this update so crazy hard
Because Microsoft's customers these days are ad companies and law enforcement agencies. If you aren't running Windows 10, they don't have anything of yours to sell to their customers.
I had the Close laptop problem. What was worse - sometimes, I had an open app w/ data that couldn't be saved but only transmitted, and when I woke up in the morning, the laptop had rebooted.
Explain. I am not an Apple user, so I didn't know that iPods stopped working unless you pay a subscription.
Perhaps now is the time for Apple to offer Mac OS for sale to people using non-Mac PCs. They could make a killing with all of the users wanting to move away from Windows.
If shutdown or power loss results in loss of work, the application that you are using is broken. It ought to be saving uncommitted changes to your document to a log file, the same log file it uses for Undo and Redo. Then after the computer restarts, it can replay the Redo log and get you back to where you were.
Yes yes, no need to grind it in .. You win, he knows !!
Windows 10 will run Windows 7 drivers.
Then why does the Get Windows 10 app blame NVIDIA for keeping my Acer Aspire X1 PC with an nForce chipset incompatible with Windows 10?
No, it's not copyright infringement to run OSX in a VM. It's only a violation of the end user license. A license that is non-binding (in common law jurisdictions) because the contract was already sealed by the exchange of money for the software package.
I would like to remind everyone that the OSX in a VM issue has never been tested in court. But other EULA cases have only been enforced additional constraints if you choose to continue to use the software, but an EULA is unable to bar you from using the software. It's not a strong enough contract and it doesn't even depend on copyright law, because copying software as a function of operation or to have personal backups is still allowed and explicitly indicated in the DMCA. Since you are not copying the software outside of what is allowable by copyright law, you do not need to agree to any license. And if you agree to a license, only the parts that are legal and binding matter, the remainder of the contract is void. (primarily because you won't be able to trigger a situation where the contract can be applied)
Right now VM vendors are scared that Apple will send DMCA takedowns if a VM is capable of running OSX, the DMCA would be filed on the assumption that the software would potentially run on unlicensed hardware. (despite the possibility that you can buy OSX without it bundled with a Mac)
Other things in an EULA that are not legal, are time limited on how long you may use the software. That has to be agreed to before you purchase the software.
The one that really annoys me is that the Windows version of select(), WaitForMultipleObjects(), has a limit of 64. It's bad enough that the linux version of select() only goes up to 1024 (but at least there are simple ways around that).
The Linux Android drivers used to crash a lot on Windows because they kept hitting that limit. Eventually they fixed it, but with a very ugly hack.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I think you mean: Linux, Linux, Mac, Linux.
Fuck Microsoft
Supporting old versions in the consumer market costs them money. They don't want to spend that money.
Then Microsoft should have thought that through before they published a support policy that provides for extended support into 2020 (Win 7) and 2023 (Win 8). I don't care if Microsoft wants to lower their costs after the fact; I bought and installed Win 7 based on its published lifecycle, and thus my lowered cost of upgrading. Microsoft's desire to push users to Windows 10 does not trump paid customers' right to utilize their Windows 7 and 8 systems until the published end of support dates. Microsoft should neither be nagging customers or trying to force upgrades.
I spent an hour trying to get my printer working on win 10, no luck. Rolled back to 7. I tried manually installing the driver that worked in 7. I searched forums for ideas and tried numerous suggestions. I'm not eager to waste any more time on it, but if you can point me to some helpful sites I will give it a shot.
Man, you really need that seminar!
Microsoft is and has been one of the dominating players in the industry for decades. They make some bad choices but every company does. But, you know, they're just the multi-billion dollar retard in the room who control essentially the entire desktop and office market places. They provide the software used daily by nearly every company and person in the country and most on the planet. Every other player in desktop OS is just a pretender with a pathetic market share and some existed before MS even came on the scene. But none of them took the crown because (and it's still true today) they could not figure out how to provide a decent user experience. They're great for their niche but garbage at being easy to use. But the retard was able to do it and destroy the competition so badly they aren't even really seen as competition by MS any more.
I'm really not a huge MS fan. They've done some very stupid things and I have no doubt one day they will fall but calling MS "completely beyond incompetence" just makes you look like an irrational MS hater or a *NIX fanboy.
Ignore jones. He is a Microsoft dick sucker. I think him, balmer, and gates are all butt buddies. He's one of those 59 year old men riding around in a Toyota supra. Most likely bald as well.
This one is not MS's fault. They're pretty clear on events you can respond to to prevent restarts, programs being closed (except for the "Force Quit" option in taskmgr... which is why it warns it's dangerous).
No need to invent issues that aren't their fault, when there's so many that are.
(See also, the 'require admin rights for all software released in XP, even though MS had for years been telling you how to prevent it by using a simple environmental variable, then bitch when Vista enforces it.')
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Ummmm. The left click is on the left side and right on the right side? Did I hear a whoosh over my head?
Come on Billy. You know the answers to all those questions. And if you didn't you know where you can find them.
Pro-tip: never give a corporation the benefit of the doubt.
I maintain my father-in-law's four-year-old Lenovo laptop computer that just suffered an unwanted upgrade from his stable, maintained Win 7 install. My FIL is unfortunately far away from me traveling at the moment so I have no access to his machine for a few more weeks. He found a local guy to fix the BSODs, but now has severe overheating problems with the laptop. He can't really find anything except MS Edge for the internet, which gets him to his email at least. But overall he is left with a Win 10 OS that he didn't ask for, didn't want, and can't use. My trying to help him navigate over the phone is very frustrating.
When he gets back to town, I plan to put all his consulting documents in the cloud for the next time MS leaves him without a usable computer.
I am asking for opinions on which of these additional options would be best.
1) Install dual-boot Linux Mint with Cinnamon. I run Ubuntu at home and have installed it on several machines over the years, including a USB-stick running on my work Surface Pro. Win 10 is better than Win 8.1 on my Surface, but that is not saying much. If my FIL has to learn a whole new OS anyway, perhaps it would be better to learn the interface of a well-received one like Cinnamon. (That can look like Win 7 if desired.)
2) Exercise the available 31-day downgrade option back to Win 7.
3) Install Classic Shell on his Win10 laptop to emulate Win 7.
What are your experiences with this?
They want the same data as Facebook and Google. They are migrating to the consumer as a product model and want to know everything about you. This is all baked into the OS. What applications you use, your contacts, what web sites you visit, your wifi carrier and passwords (they upload your network information and passwords).
People will say you can opt out. That is partially true. Several services still run and use hard coded IP addys. You can block them at your router, but you will lose some functionality as they tied several things to these services.
Microsoft could argue that the "extended support" is given by offering you a brand new version of Windows 10....
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neither of the major free browsers (Firefox and Chromium).
Firefox hasn't been "a major browser" for a while now. Different stats give different answers, but Chrome, IE, and Safari all tend to lead Firefox.
Making a major web page that only works for "free" browsers is absurd. You make it for what your customers use.
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#1 Market Shares
#2 Ease of support
#3 Even MS realized they messed up 7 & 8
#4 Store (so they can sell you apps)
So I suggest you get your panties out of a bunch and install Windows 10 as personally I find it better.
It killed my Alienware and put it into an endless cycle of bluescreen of death before startup. I had to uninstall it with friggin Linux. What a joke. I hope I can disable automatic update in time this evening.
I put her back on system 7 and everything works fine now.
You upgraded her to the ancient MacOS 7 that only ran on Motorola 68k cpu's? Seems a bit extreme but I like how you think! Definitely better than Win10.
CS6 is not subscription-based. However, it stops working if it is not allowed to connect to the internet.
We paid Adobe $954.95 to upgrade from CS3 to CS6. That was just an upgrade. We didn't get the latest version of the programs in CS6, and a support representative at Adobe felt that was justified!
It's copyright infringement to run OS X in any of those VM products unless you're running the VM product on a Mac
No it isn't.
I tried running a virtual machine under hyper-v and found it could not access the serial port. So much for my VMs running under Win10. I miss Win7 already.
Some people are just now learning what some of us have known all along...M$ only cares about their profits. They don't care about anything else! Never have and never will! M$ only makes money when you buy their newest trash every year or two. Now they want as many people as possible to downgrade to Win10, and then they will switch to a subscription model...pay $XXX every 3 months or your computer locks up to the point that you can't reboot or get into the bios. Plus the computer that YOU PAID FOR! will now be used against you in every way possible!! M$ will virtually own your computer and and data stored on it. M$ will probably be recording audio and video from your built-in mic and camera without your knowledge of consent!
Its time to JUST SAY NO to M$ and win10!!!
Windows 7 does this too. If my (work) computer is on in the middle of the night, it's because it gas been running some calculation that takes a couple of days. That means I do NOT want it to re-boot. The ten minutes I get to cancel the re-boot isn't very helpfully when I'm asleep. It should be at least 10 hours instead of ten minutes. Thankfully I get paid by the hour when using Windows.
I have disabled all updates on all windows 7 and 8.1 computers a couple of weeks ago. It might be restored when we have internet completely cut from all our workstations, and internet browsing will be via a screen-cast from a Linux virtual machine.
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how is this not a top post here? i have installed this on everyone of my family's computers and it is set as the homepage so they can update when it becomes available.
eventually I will switch them over to mint.
Yes it is their fault. No machine should reboot without user intervention. Fine grab focus and say "I really really really need to reboot" but don't just do it.
I don't see why that is. When a person isn't using the machine is the best time to reboot it.
It's not like it reboots without first telling every other program to close. And the programs can reply to the close command with "no" and the computer won't reboot.
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It's daylight saving time, dumbass.
He sounds like a clueless kid to me. His high UID also hints in that direction.
He said he already had reimaged. He was asked what was meant by reimaging :P
All processing for Cortana could be done locally. It does not need to contact Microsoft other than for data harvesting.
There is also the fact that if I tell my computer to not contact Microsoft, it better not contact Microsoft.
Could somebody tell me if the update will house a dual boot machine. I have avoided booting into Windows because of fear it will wipe my Linux partition or at least require fixing the boot manager. I am fine otherwise with updating to Microsoft's latest.
I had software running that I did not want interrupted. I had left software open full screen. How is it deciding I wasn't using the machine? I could have been sat back with my feet up watching the credits roll for all it knew. It's not like it was in screensaver mode.
How about a different example, I run a video compressing software or compile software and walk away. I come back in 4 hours expecting it to be finished but nope its restarted the machine. You can't argue that the software has to be compliant to microsoft specs because the software could easily predate those specs.
It queries the program you left running, and asked it to close down. The program replied to the event by blindly shutting down, instead of returning false.
If it's done compressing or compiling, that sounds fine!
(1) It's been the spec for MS since... 95? Certainly since XP. Your software could have easily been updated since then.
(2) It's ridiculous to say that we can never upgrade an OS because legacy software will cease to work.
(3) Most importantly, The software is actively responding to the event Windows is sending. So it definitely post-dates the events creation. Old software actually doesn't respond to the windows event and causes the computer not to reboot. Because backwards compatibility.
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It wasn't a joke in the slightest.
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My Win7 laptop (about 5 years old now) ran 10 without a single warning or issue. How old was his laptop?
I had a 10 year old desktop that failed the upgrade, but it was on the "upgrade or discard" list already.
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I think you are confusing OEM and home/pro.
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I guess you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I can see your logic, and I'm not arguing that software should follow the standards. I just don't agree with a computer shutting down without user action. It makes a couple of big assumptions about data being saved and also that the machine will boot back into windows without user interaction (mine doesn't).
I can see why in the real-world, the assumptions fail. But I'd rather focus on fixing the assumptions than give up on teh feature of not having to think about the restarting for updates.
Although, if we're dreaming, I'd rather have updates that don't require updates at all.
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it was an asus extensa 7630, we figured it to be about 7 years old. On the plus side, yesterday my mom brought me a nice bottle of wine as a thank-you.
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Microsoft is and has been one of the dominating players in the industry for decades.
Yes, due to their illegal activities, like I said. If you have a point, then make it.
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Do you wake up when a cat-5 is shoved up your arse?
Sue Microsoft for malicious destruction of property!
Good luck with that as long as binding arbitration is legal in the USA.
Against my recommendation, my dad wanted me to install Windows10 on his HTPC. I liked reading the part of the Windows10 EULA (near the bottom) where MS effectively declares that my own IP rights are invalid while theirs stand. My dad still doesn't know why I go through so much trouble to keep Win10 off my workstation.
And if your computer reboots without you explicitly telling it to
You told it to by setting a time. That's the new way it works in Windows 10: it tells you it needs to reboot to finish installing upgraded components, and you tell the computer when to reboot.
I manage PCs for SMBs.
I've tried several tools and methods to prevent windows 10 from being installed on the Win7 and Win8 PCs I manage.
The easiest and more reliable tool I found is win10wiwi, free on http://www.win10wiwi.com
GWX CP is good too but when I have to give instructions to a non savvy user, win10wiwi is much more simple to use.
And has proved to be very reliable.
I even gave them a little money (the tool is free but you can donate).
Absolutely. I have W10 at home and have very few issues with it - actually, not with it, but with IE11.
On install I have checked off each and every checkbox saying something like "Send this to MS" (yes, you can do this) - I never install programs on "Default" or "Automatic", and W10 works just great on my machine, drivers and all.
And although I know plenty of people, I know only 4 persons using OSX, and no one using Linux of any flavour.
Yes, these people are regular users, for the most part - that's why they stick with what works for them.
I do not dislike Linux at all, or OSX, or what have you, but Windows works for me. And pays my bills quite nicely (I am a programmer).
A license that is non-binding (in common law jurisdictions) because the contract was already sealed by the exchange of money for the software package.
Unless the condition was printed on the package. Arizona Cartridge Remanufacturers Ass'n Inc. v. Lexmark Int'l Inc., 421 F.3d 981 (9th Cir. 2005)
Then let me rephrase: Those features whose implementation in standard HTML and CSS requires parts of the standard that widely deployed browsers implement either A. incompletely, B. incorrectly, or C. (for parts marked as implementation-defined) in a manner that is not identical among Chrome for desktop, Chrome for Android, IE 11, Edge, Safari for OS X, and Safari for iOS.
I don't know why MS is pushing this update so crazy hard.
Because this is what the Feds did to Satya Nadella.
It's copyright infringement to run OS X in any of those VM products unless you're running the VM product on a Mac
Actually, that isn't exactly true. There is ONE version (and, AFAIK, ONLY one version) of OS X that you can legally run under a VM. Snow Leopard Server 10.6.8, which, if you know what to ask for, is actually STILL available as a DVD from Apple for US$20.
Apple is now selling Snow Leopard Server for $19.99 + sales tax & shipping costs at 1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753) - Apple Part Number: MC588Z/A (telephone orders only).
You will probably have to do a little "convincing" to the Order Drone that this is still available; but as of a few months ago, at least, it still was.
A VM helps for testing on Edge and Internet Explorer 11, for which Microsoft provides virtual machine images.
But it doesn't help as much for testing on Safari, whose Software License Agreement forbids use in a VM on anything but a Mac. To avoid contract-after-sale particularities, let's for the sake of argument assume that the box of OS X has a conspicuous warning: "By purchasing this product, you agree to the Software License Agreement at http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1011.pdf. This agreement forbids copying this program into the RAM of any non-Apple computer." Use in a VM on your Windows or Linux PC would then be a breach of contract, making you liable for damages as specified in the agreement. And because some kext files in OS X are encrypted, decrypting the installer without Apple's permission might expose you to criminal penalties pursuant to 17 USC 1201 and foreign counterparts.
Try it on Linux. I collect old hardware from Windows users and put it back to work.
I had to throw out a scanner, though, because I don't have a parallel port on my newer (6 years) PC.
There is something nasty happening behind the scenes, and I'm just waiting patiently to see the other boot drop as they push an update to 10 that turns it into the next un-versioned Windows which requires a subscription. I'm sure they will give you a month to buy that subscription, but there will be no downgrading back to 10.
Makes sense to me - I just get quite annoyed with sites that have clearly only been tested with FF and Chrome, because that's what was easy for the dev to test himself.
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prompt before checking for updates, prompt before downloading updates
In Settings > Update & security > Windows Update > Advanced options > Choose how updates are installed, the explanation states: "Updates won't download over a metered connection (where charges may apply)." "Metered" is the clue for delaying update downloads, as explained in articles on Lifehacker and How-To Geek. In Settings > Network & Internet > Wi-Fi > (your SSID) > Advanced options, you should be able to set a particular SSID as metered.
The Lifehacker article does acknowledge a defect in Windows 10: it never lets the user set a wired Ethernet connection as metered, even if wired Ethernet's upstream is a satellite or cellular connection with a 5-10 GB/mo cap or a cable connection with a 300 GB/mo cap.
and prompt before rebooting
In Settings > Update & security > Windows Update > Advanced options > Choose how updates are installed, change the value to "Notify to schedule restart".
Perhaps the dev does not derive enough revenue from a particular site to buy a Mac mini with enough RAM to run a Windows VM. One needs the Windows VM for Edge and IE 11 and the Mac for Safari. So where should the dev of a site similar to the ones with which you have got annoyed find an adequate QA budget?
Those 10 leads to cloud. Cloud leads to subscriptions. Subscriptions lead to regular income.
What I absolutely despise about the way Windows handles updates is that there should be no need to ever prompt me to restart for updates when I already shut my system down every day anyway. You'd think with all the telemtry they do, they could at least figure out that you reboot every day and therefore shouldn't be nagged for updates.
The next PC they buy is always going to be a Windows PC because every PC comes with a Windows license. The only alternatives are Macs and DIY, both of which are niche options.
Explain. I am not an Apple user, so I didn't know that iPods stopped working unless you pay a subscription.
That has never been true.
Perhaps now is the time for Apple to offer Mac OS for sale to people using non-Mac PCs. They could make a killing with all of the users wanting to move away from Windows.
Except for the fact that their entire business model for OS X and Macintosh is based on HARDWARE sales. They tried licensing clones, and it damn-near bankrupted them.So, in order to make that work, they would have to charge a coupla-hundred dollars for OS X, AND resort to the draconian licensing schemes like Microsoft does with WIndows.
I have Win 8.1 Pro and so far it still shows as an optional update. Maybe paying for Pro was worth it. Whenever I update I get a nag screen a few hours later to get Windows 10 but I can just dismiss it.
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If there is a problem with WIN 7 my wife will find it. Actually been quite a while when I needed to fix it. I started by turning off every possible update for WIN 7. 4 years ago. That was a registry headache I don't wish to repeat. TRK and Clam AV does a good job of keeping it clean.
Hell, in the early days of D3D you literally couldn't plot a pixel over a 3D display without using GDI!
That or by uploading a texture containing the pixels you want to plot and drawing it as a quad, right?
The other thing that helped D3D proliferate was Microsoft's game consoles [...] With that said, any indie developer who uses Direct3D is a dildo.
Was this true even during the seventh generation, when the only major game console open to indie developers was Xbox 360 with XNA? The PC could run OpenGL, but connecting a PC to a TV wasn't common yet, and crowding two to four players holding USB gamepads around a desktop or laptop monitor is a pain.
There should be options to prompt the user (yes, no, remind later) or to completely disable all automatic updates, all automatic reboots, all update nags and all reboot nags, leaving the user to do it manually.
My best guess for Microsoft's rationale for forcing updates on Internet-connected computers is that if an unpatched computer is left connected to the Internet, it can be compromised to spread malware to other computers on the Internet. So to prevent automatic correction of security vulnerabilities, disconnect the computer from the Internet.
defect in Windows 10
You cannot defend any of this shit
Agreed. As I said, Windows 10 is defective, and the defects show incompetence at best. The inability to treat Ethernet as metered shows that Microsoft, a company headquartered in a city next to Seattle, is somehow unaware of the horrid state of Internet access in Seattle due to its backward utility right-of-way law. I was trying to assume good faith to the best of my ability. But that's a defect that I can't defend, and defects like this are part of why I wiped Windows 10 from a used ThinkPad that I bought.
The real reason is that they want control and access.
There exist alternatives to Windows 10 that are not as demanding of control by the publisher. But when one evaluates the viability of deploying said alternatives, the following issue is likely to come up:
For an OS to outright deny control to the user is a huge fail.
Federal law requires such "a huge fail." The vast majority of laptop and tablet computers sold nowadays include IEEE 802.11 wireless local area network (WLAN) technology, commonly branded as "Wi-Fi", as well as a short-range peripheral network technology called Bluetooth. A WLAN or Bluetooth transceiver includes a radio transmitter, and under FCC regulations, the transmitter's firmware must be secured against end-user modifications that might cause the transmitter to violate Part 15. So any operating system supporting WLAN or Bluetooth has to deny at least some control to the user.
Or would you prefer to use an operating system that does not support WLAN or Bluetooth?
So what? The value of a Windows 7/8/8.1 user is $0 to Microsoft. The value of a Windows 10 user is $x per year. The only thing that matters is converting as many people as possible to Windows 10. If in the process they break a PC that cannot possibly run Window 10, then it's not a loss.
Well, they are pissing people off & while that might not bite them this quarter, it'll consign them to oblivion in the long run. All they needed to do was allow folks to come to them in the normal PC refresh cycle, but some braindead MBA probably hatched the idea to squeeze some extra $$$ for a few quarters.
MS have pissed me off & I've not even paying particular attention to this whole fiasco. My wife's next OS is gonna be Linux, not Windows 10. Once folks have switched they won't be back. Rinse & repeat for a few more years & we'll start to see more & more systems being sold without a MS OS.
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I've migrated about 90% of my stuff to Mac OS X but I still have two powerful Windows 7 and 8.1 machines which I use for some small tasks. I will likely upgrade one of them to Windows 10 as I should know what Windows 10 is like but I may just leave Windows 7 on the other one as it only runs one thing and the likelyhood of malware is very low. I'm also considering Linux of course.
I'd be happy to update my Windows XP systems to Windows 10 if they offered it.
FWIW, I just installed Linux Mint on my laptop, and I gotta say, I like it.
It's clean, smooth, and super easy to install. Easy to setup (at least so far).
It looks nice and seems to work just fine for all the typical things I need to do- email, browsing, videos, imagery, etc. I imported my Firefox bookmarks from my Windows install of Firefox to the Mint instance in about 10 seconds, no problem at all.
Best of all, the one-click install of Wine allows me to use one of my favorite little Windows apps, a notekeeper called AZZ Cardfile. It seems to run just fine under Wine without any issues. Yeah!
So far so good....yes, I'm liking Linux Mint.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
If all my games would run well on Linux I would drop Windows as fast as I could reformat the drive to EXT4, maybe Btrfs, I haven't played with that filesystem yet.
Not quite, but almost.
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JustAnotherOldBlowhardBULLSHITTER why'd ya lie about working for Microsoft? Can ya prove that statement? No? Thought not. Must be an "NDA" that ya signed with yer fantasyland fake name here online, right? Hahahahaha (the bullshit and foam spewing from JustAnotherOldBLOWHWARD's piehole will ensue - stay tuned, keep yer seatbelts on everyone! Hilarity will ensue, guaranteed!)
i have windows10 at home no problem for me
Why didn't you just revert the upgrade?
For Vista, I expect that is because there were many crappy computers sold with Vista, so they can't really be sure that they will be compatible with Windows 10.
As for Enterprise versions, they probably sense a money making opportunity there.
Uhhhh Win7 is widely regarded as the one they DIDNY screw up
You can download free VM images with various versions of Microsoft browsers directly from Microsoft, I'm sure this includes Edge, but I don't want to check just now.
If I upgrade to Windows 10, may I legally install Windows 7 on a VM running on the same machine? What would be the situation for a. Systems that were originally sold with 7 b. I purchased my own an OEM license c. I purchased a non-OEM (boxed) Windows 7? Any ideas?