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How Donald Trump Uses Twitter As a Weapon of Fear

HughPickens.com writes: Alexander Burns and Maggie Haberman write in the NYT that with his enormous online platform of six million followers, Donald Trump has used Twitter to badger and humiliate those who have dared cross him during the presidential race, latching on to their vulnerabilities, mocking their physical characteristics, personality quirks and, sometimes, their professional setbacks. Trump has made statements that have later been exposed as false or deceptive — only after they have ricocheted across the Internet. For example, Cheri Jacobus, a Republican political strategist, did not think she had done anything out of the ordinary: On a cable television show, she criticized Donald J. Trump for skipping a debate in Iowa in late January and described him as a "bad debater." Trump took to Twitter, repeatedly branding Jacobus as a disappointed job seeker who had begged to work for his campaign and had been rejected. "We said no and she went hostile," Trump wrote. "A real dummy!" Trump's campaign manager told the same story on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." For days, Trump's followers replied to his posts with demeaning, often sexually charged insults aimed at Jacobus, including several with altered, vulgar photographs of her face. (continued) This week, Trump sent out a menacing message on Twitter about the Ricketts family, a wealthy clan of Republican political donors, after it was reported that Marlene Ricketts donated $3 million to a group opposed to Trump's candidacy. "They better be careful," Trump wrote of the family, "they have a lot to hide!" "It's a little surreal when Donald Trump threatens your mom," Marlene Ricketts's son, Tom, later told reporters.

It is not just that Trump has a skill for zeroing in on an individual's soft spot and hammering at it. It is that he sets a tone of aggression against the person, and his supporters echo and amplify it. Jacobus sent a cease-and-desist letter to Trump and his top aide, citing electronic messages that showed the Trump campaign had courted her and not the other way around. "I have been trashed and ruined on Twitter," Jacobus says adding that Trump's lawyers had responded to her letter, but that they had not yet reached a resolution. "At what point does it cross the line into something that's defamatory and might be actionable?" says Parry Aftab, a lawyer who leads the Internet safety group WiredSafety. "At what point does it cross the line into encouraging violence against groups and individuals?"

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  1. what a laugh by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Funny

    since everyone makes fun of Trump's hair at least

    wusses

    1. Re:what a laugh by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course we got control, I turned 20 in early 1984. Now Tump and the rest of us old coots (aka former angst-ridden teen sociopaths) are going to give you little kid shits a long overdue attitude adjustment.

      and stay the fuck off my lawn

    2. Re:what a laugh by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      As opposed to the passive aggressive 'sophisticated' angst ridden teenage hipster sociopaths on the left?

      Both parties have little to be proud of in their candidates..

    3. Re:what a laugh by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both parties have little to be proud of in their candidates

      ROFLMAO. I'll take the space cadet socialist and the shrill professional pol over the sentient briskets the Repubs have fielded any day of the week, thanks.

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    4. Re:what a laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not sure if sarcastic, rhetorical exaggeration, or a literal example of what I was talking about.

      Also still not sure if Trump isn't just an elaborate troll on America.

    5. Re:what a laugh by CaptainLard · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd argue the guy who called a former US governor a pussy on national TV in a victory speech during his campaign for President of the United States of America is the one who could use an attitude adjustment.

    6. Re:what a laugh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course we got control, I turned 20 in early 1984. Now Tump and the rest of us old coots (aka former angst-ridden teen sociopaths) are going to give you little kid shits a long overdue attitude adjustment.

      and stay the fuck off my lawn

      If you are serious - Trump is the epitome of the Brave coward, He's the guy who will light the world on fire and will force everyone to bend to his will.

      And he cannot even stand up to little Megan Fox.

      And that dear sir, tells you everything you need to know about the reality show host.

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    7. Re:what a laugh by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      wow slashdot doing not so well with preview of cut and paste these days.

      woman in crowd said that. Trump said "Ok, you're not allowed to say -- and I never expect to hear that from you again....She said 'he's a pussy'".

    8. Re:what a laugh by kheldan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Friend, I am only a few years younger than you, and believe you me, I have a sense of humor (although it's sometimes rather sick and twisted), but please, reassure me you're kidding about this!

      Donald Trump needs to go. He'll destroy this country and maybe start World War 3. Not qualified in any way shape or form to be POTUS. Not that any candidate from any party is either, but he's literally the worst of the worst.

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    9. Re:what a laugh by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Joking, yes.

      But Trump not "The worsts of the worst", Obama is even worse than him (which is quite an achievement).

      e.g. "unemployment at less than five percent under Obama!"...no it's 23 percent, near Depression era levels, but conveniently the BoL changed the way that's counted in the late 80s

    10. Re:what a laugh by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      I just came...

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    11. Re:what a laugh by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's low. You don't make fun of people's prosthesis.

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    12. Re:what a laugh by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      And he cannot even stand up to little Megan Fox.

      Ok, I will take the bait:

      There are some people with whom you can have no real valuable argument or debate as the person is only looking to troll. It's with these people that conversation is to be avoided. Megan Fox is that little flame-baiting troll that offers no real conversational value when talking with Trump.

      And that dear sir, tells you everything you need to know about the reality show host.

      You are both implying and failing to realize that all forms of mass communication is legally regulated as the *entertainment* industry. Everything from the TV, Cable, Dish, News Papers, and Magazines are the "reality" as far as "entertainment" is defined.

      It's all one Sh*t show catered to the highest ratings to generate as much ad revenue as possible.

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    13. Re:what a laugh by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      He'll destroy this country and maybe start World War 3.

      Clinton: hawk
      Rubio: neocon
      Cruz: dunno.

      You've got a few people there who support a very antagonizing US foreign policy while Trump has said positive things about the North Korean leader and about Putin and Putin seems to like him.
      Trump seems the best candidate for normalizing the relations with the designated bad guys. He accepts them as people you can talk with.

      Likeable doesn't come into it.

    14. Re:what a laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Trump is a symptom of the massive disinformation campaign which the combined forces of the gop, faux news and the koch bros have levied upon this country

      He has simply hijacked the mis-information voters and is driving them around the yard... because he can

      If we do not fix this quick, then this country is doomed

    15. Re:what a laugh by rahvin112 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Lol, i can't tell if you are joking or you think you are serious. If you think Trump is going to do anything other than lose the election if he's nominated you are smoking some very good dope. It isn't a secret that the millennials are the first young generation that's voting, they just only do it on the presidential elections. They drastically outnumber both the boomers and GenX and they will have total control of the political system in about 10 years.

      Trump is a property developer. When you look at your local politics and see corruption and backdoor deals it's because most of your local politicians are property developers. If the republican party is foolish enough to nominate him all the stuff he's said and done over the years is going to come out and it's going to be very very bad.

    16. Re:what a laugh by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Too late, the scientists figured how to grow it in a dish.

    17. Re:what a laugh by onepoint · · Score: 1

      if you are going to make a statement like that ".no it's 23 percent" then cite the sources because it seems interesting that the number of 4.9 is today's number, the peak was somewhere around the 10-20's, depression era was in the 35-40's ( that's my number and will explain after the link ) http://www.bls.gov/news.releas...

      when we cite the great depression, most people forget that a large percentage ( greater than 10% ) of the entire population shifted around for years, just doing whatever to get by. so those people never got counted. I can only say that my youth brought me in contact with many people from the depression and their stories. I'm looking at this from the male employment force. I can recall one story where during the lady's job interview, the lady said her husband had a job, and the employer said " a family with a job already, can't hire you"

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    18. Re:what a laugh by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      They can grow mold in a dish too and it's about as useful.

      Lets see what they can create with that sperm. I would love to see a giant woolly pachyderm!

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    19. Re:what a laugh by invid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course Trump is trolling America. He doesn't actually want to be President. When you're President your entire life is determined by preset schedules. You have to meet heads of states and attend cabinet meetings and perform the duties required of the President. Trump doesn't seriously want to deal with any of that crap. He's going to push this thing as far as he can, like the guy from Office Space, because Trump has no fcuks to give. He's just having a good time. And if somehow he does actually become President he'll play along for a month or two and then resign, giving the office to Omarosa.

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    20. Re:what a laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, Cruz: Theocrat.

    21. Re:what a laugh by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      At this point, I consider Bernie Sanders a 3rd party candidate (who happens to be running for the Democrat nomination).

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    22. Re:what a laugh by jafiwam · · Score: 2

      lol

      60's anybody?

      Every young generation thinks they are going to change things, and thinks they are going to do this new cool thing like have lots of them vote. Listen up, kiddo, you aren't special just because you got a trophy.

    23. Re:what a laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is a juvenile tactic of the right to claim that 'both sides are just as bad', but any objective viewer would have to say that 16 years under Clinton and Obama were stunningly superior to 20 years under Reagan and the Bushes

    24. Re:what a laugh by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Does that mean we can't mock Shatner's toupee, either?

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    25. Re:what a laugh by Talderas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The way unemployment data was collected and gathered differed during the Great Depression and current time. Concepts like U3 and U6 did not exist but it estimated that the U3 in the great depression peaked at 25.2% and the U6 peaked at 37.6%. The current U3 is 4.9% and the current U6 is 9.9%. The U3 rate only looks at employed individuals and those currently looking for work. The U6 rate includes those who are unemployed and willing to work but not looking for work and have looked for work in the past twelve months as well as those who are currently employed part-time due to part-time employment not always being able to provide enough income to support the household adequately.

      I don't know if there's a figure that includes unemployed that haven't looked for a job in the past twelve months.

      The general complaint regarding the U3 is that due to how easy it is for people to fall off from being on that figure while being unemployed. If you've not currently looking for work you're not counted. This can lead to a situation where it's hard to describe the economic burden faced by the workforce in having to support individuals who are not working.

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    26. Re:what a laugh by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Do you not realize the official unemployment figures only count people who became unemployed within a certain (fairly short) timeframe and are still looking for work? It is not the same thing as "workforce participation", which is definitely a much higher number.

      Someone who's been unemployed for a year will not show up as "unemployed" according to the government's numbers.

    27. Re:what a laugh by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Actually, the way to look at it is as though the real republican/democrat race is happening with the democrat party itself, with Sanders as the democrat. He's not the 'revolutionary' people like to think of him as. If/when Trump gets the nomination, a lot of GOP money will go to Hillary as their next best choice (probably really their first). And if she gets stuck in quicksand, Biden will reenter the race at the party's request. He's semi-republican also, so they (the republicans) won't mind so much. It will be the dem/rep (DNC) candidate vs. Trump. And on top of all else, the regular 50/50 gridlocked congress will protect us from Trump, or any other president. Just keep a wary eye on your hedge funds.

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    28. Re:what a laugh by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a long-time, very-conservative commenter here on Slashdot and a frequent critic of Obama (look up my posting history), I must strongly disagree. Trump would take the worst of Obama and elevate it to heights never dreamed of. He would be terrible for this country and the world.

    29. Re:what a laugh by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/...

      Just search for the real unemployment rate on your favorite search engine . You will find all sorts of links. Most of them were from before trump or the primaries too.

    30. Re:what a laugh by riis138 · · Score: 1

      Joking, yes.

      But Trump not "The worsts of the worst", Obama is even worse than him (which is quite an achievement).

      e.g. "unemployment at less than five percent under Obama!"...no it's 23 percent, near Depression era levels, but conveniently the BoL changed the way that's counted in the late 80s

      Citation needed. That sounds like something you heard from Alex Jones or Glenn Beck to be honest.

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    31. Re:what a laugh by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't automatically "give him license" to repeat it to the world - but in this case it did.

    32. Re:what a laugh by gnaarly · · Score: 2

      Clinton enjoyed the benefits of a bubble that blew up under Bush, and a bubble that he helped inflate.

    33. Re:what a laugh by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you get your info from mass media press releases. Republicans and democrats are not in opposition. They just bicker.

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    34. Re:what a laugh by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2

      Cruz is not a Theocrat. He is a strict Constitutionalist with strong religious beliefs.

      • - Having strong religious beliefs does not make him a Theocrat
      • - Being a strict Constitutionalist virtually precludes him from being a Theocrat

    35. Re:what a laugh by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's doomed. When people like various people above are saying "Trump is the worst possible", they're implicitly claiming that a theocrat and a couple of corporatist war hawks are better choices. Even on the "left", we have people pushing Hillary as "progressive" even though she's blatantly in the pocket of Wall Street and a war hawk interested in further destabilizing the middle east and fanning the flames of Islamic fundamentalism, and they constantly chide the Bernie supporters that they need to get with the program and vote for Hillary "to make sure Trump doesn't win", and because "she's the realistic choice", and that "she'll get stuff done" (like more neocon shit).

      Trump and Bernie have the numbers they do precisely because so many Americans are sick of the sociopathic, corrupt candidates they've been force-fed like Hillary and Rubio and the religious wackos like Cruz. So it doesn't really matter what Trump says or does at this point, anyone who's right-of-center who doesn't like neocons and theocrats is going to vote for him by default.

    36. Re:what a laugh by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Judging by the way we humans govern ourselves and run our societies, I think the most useful thing they could grow would be a vast army of Velociraptors, like in Jurassic Park.

    37. Re:what a laugh by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "foolish enough"? What are their choices? The other candidates are Bush-like neocons and theocrats. It's not like they have any genuinely good choices in there.

      And then on the Dem side, we've got a woman who's another Bush-like neocon in the pocket of Wall Street, and an elderly man who the Democratic establishment and party are doing absolutely everything they can to get rid of so that the neocon can be the first female president and start another war.

    38. Re:what a laugh by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I saw an awful lot of Obama voters at the trump rally I went to. Somehow i doubt the causes you cite. I don't doubt the misinformation though. But Trump's support seems more party agnostic than you want to admit.

    39. Re:what a laugh by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      A "shrill professional pol"? That's being a bit charitable. More like a shrill, corrupt neocon. There's really no difference between Rubio and Hillary that I can see.

    40. Re:what a laugh by Notorious+G · · Score: 1

      Joking, yes.

      But Trump not "The worsts of the worst", Obama is even worse than him (which is quite an achievement).

      e.g. "unemployment at less than five percent under Obama!"...no it's 23 percent, near Depression era levels, but conveniently the BoL changed the way that's counted in the late 80s

      Wish I had mod points to mod you up. More people need to realize what's going on. See the fnords!

    41. Re:what a laugh by wendyo · · Score: 1

      As I recall, it was Reagan the changed the way unemployment was calculated.

    42. Re:what a laugh by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      At this point, I consider Bernie Sanders a 3rd party candidate (who happens to be running for the Democrat nomination).

      Well, let's be honest, that's what Trump is except he's running under the Republican side. The establishments of both sides are taking a thrashing by people that come out of nowhere to scoop up the voters. It's a de facto two party system where possibly most or the people don't like either party.

    43. Re:what a laugh by Solandri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's just it. The vast majority of people have called their representative, senator, Governor, or President that or worse at one time or another. The moment most politicians get in front of the cameras, they're walking on eggshells being careful not to offend anyone. They carefully vet their political stances with trial balloons, surveys, and marketing research before actually proclaiming it as their stance.

      Trump doesn't do that. He calls important people a pussy on national TV as easily as the common man does it at the bar or the office cooler. That's what's driving his popularity - he's an anti-politicians. He acts like regular people act, with none of the pretense politicians wear, none of the false gratuity they give off. Given how fed up the electorate is with politicians (Congress' approval rating was just 11% in the latest poll), it's a strategy which may actually work.

      I don't particularly like Trump, but I think it's good that we're finally getting a candidate who's doing what he's doing. For too long now, people have expected their politicians to be perfect little angels with no blemish on their record, no skeletons in their closet. Nobody is perfect. Everyone has done something considered "wrong" in their past (whether it be smoking pot or shoplifting or mooning the school principal). Everyone has skeletons in their closet. If you demand a perfectly clean record from political candidates, the only people who can succeed at politics are pathological liars who are great at covering up their flaws.

      See, the reason you say he needs an attitude adjustment isn't because he called the Governor a pussy. If that's your standard, then 3/4ths of the country needs an attitude adjustment. The reason is because he said it on national TV, and for some arbitrary reason we just expect people to behave better on TV than they do in real life. Look at all the open mic gaffes, where politicians have been caught saying what they really think instead of what they say in front of the cameras. That's the disconnect people expect between what politicians say, and what they actually think. Would you rather have a candidate who actually says what he thinks? Or a candidate who thinks one thing, but says another in front of the cameras?

    44. Re: what a laugh by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow, you're seriously dissing the democrats on the cause of WOMEN?

      That's so far beyond irony, it's transuraniumy.

    45. Re:what a laugh by onepoint · · Score: 1

      While the source you are citing is another form of unemployment, http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/...
      that's the same link you posted. he's posting 23 vs 5, in which is the current number (U3 = 4.9 ) in use and quoted to the public. the numbers shown are unemployment of population ( 16 years to death ) which read based on that chart 40.6% and since taking office 41.7ish. but I'm more interested in the 23.

      Thank you for citing your source.
      also
      while I can not test it yet, it would be interesting to see if the current president increased jobs while we had population growth.

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    46. Re:what a laugh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      He chose to repeat it. He knew what he was doing. Here's a really good analysis of Trump, and his opponents.

      Frankly I don't care if he calls anyone a pussy. I just wish we could get a presidential candidate who is competent.

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    47. Re:what a laugh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Megan Kelly was a corporate lawyer before becoming a TV host. She is not a wilting daisy, and not many people can stand up to her easily.

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    48. Re:what a laugh by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Unemployed is based on whether you are looking for work or how long it's been since you've looked for work. I believe you qualified as unemployed under U3, the officially reported figure, if you're currently unemployed and actively looking for work. If you're unemployed and not looking for work but have looked for work in the past year you're considered a discouraged worker and not counted in the U3 figure. If you're unemployed and haven't looked for work in over a year you won't be counted in any figures.

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    49. Re:what a laugh by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      While I don't get the vapors from "pussy", I more or less agree with maintaining decorum. I also think he was attempting more to embarrass her than sending a personal statement. Like say... a president flipping the bird.

    50. Re:what a laugh by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I'm not a millennial numb nuts, don't assume I am.

      The millennials are voting in presidential elections. They are the sole reason Obama won the election and not by a small margin the second time. In the 8 years he's been president their numbers have grown significantly. About 80% of them vote democratic currently and they are swinging every presidential election with each successive election being swung by higher margins as more reach voting age.

      Have you ever wondered how the Republican pollsters could have Romney winning when Obama beat him by a Landslide? Because the republican pollsters deliberately excluded the young people that said they were going to vote, just like they had for the last 30 years. But the young people actually do vote, they just don't vote in midterm elections.

    51. Re:what a laugh by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      And if she gets stuck in quicksand, Biden will reenter the race at the party's request.

      I believe that would be a mistake. Against a wild card like Trump, there's no reason to believe that there is a high likelihood Bernie would lose to him. Certainly there is just as high a likelihood Biden would lose to Trump. Biden is a youtube level gaffe generator, and I don't see why people even believe he makes a good politician, given his previous POTUS nomination attempts. Biden is really only the darling of political power brokers and perhaps Wall Street. It would be like unilaterally decreeing Jeb! for POTUS, and then presume Biden wouldn't flop like Jeb! on the campaign trail.

      Hillary wins if she doesn't get indicted. If she does, she's done, regardless who's the Republican candidate. Bloomberg jumps in as a third party candidate (presuming he submits his paperwork in March) as an almost certainty. But we've seen what money can do with Jeb! this year; I don't believe Bloomberg can win, even if he blows a few billion in the process. What the mainstream media pundits aren't telling you is that this is the year of the pissed off voters; money isn't going to decide it, any more than it did for Jeb! Its going to be pissed off voters vs timid status quo voters, and the pissed off voters will move the least establishment candidate.

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    52. Re:what a laugh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

      Trump referred to Ted Cruz as a pussy. A couple things: one, Cruz is not a former governor, he's a former solicitor general and a current senator. And, two, Cruz sort of is a pussy.

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    53. Re:what a laugh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Trump doesn't do that. He calls important people a pussy on national TV as easily as the common man does it at the bar or the office cooler. That's what's driving his popularity - he's an anti-politicians.

      Right, he's Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, but with worse hair.

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    54. Re:what a laugh by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Even if Trump had good ideas, he's a horrible person. Remember when the big campaign against Bill Clinton was that he had low character? Trump has the lowest character of any candidate I have ever seen, and that includes David Duke. A Trump presidency would be a national embarrassment, he'd probably insult our allies based upon how they look. There would be a huge surge in sales of "I'm really Canadian" tee shirts.

      When Republicans are seriously considering voting for Hillary then you know something's wrong with the guy. My mother is about as right wing as you can get and she's completely repulsed by him, so it's not just mainstream moderate Republicans who hate him. He very likely will cause the Republican party to split.

      You can't even say good things about him because he hasn't even given us a hint about what his actual policies will be, we can only guess based upon his boorish personality, past history of being a blowhard, and Atlantic City.

    55. Re:what a laugh by lgw · · Score: 1

      Cruz beats Hillary consistently in the polls (though not by much). Hillary does beat Trump in the polls though.

      I don't think Hillary with withdraw even if she does get indicted, and she might actually win the primary (heck, she might win from a jail cell in a brokered convention). Indictment might keep her form beating Trump in the general - for sure that would be an odd race.

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    56. Re:what a laugh by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

      The U3 rate only looks at employed individuals and those currently looking for work. The U6 rate includes those who are unemployed and willing to work but not looking for work and have looked for work in the past twelve months as well as those who are currently employed part-time due to part-time employment not always being able to provide enough income to support the household adequately.

      U3 does not include individuals that have been unemployed for over 2 years but are still currently looking for work.

      It seems that the government believes that it it is literally not possible to look for work for two years and still not find it. Basically, they've defined "looking for work" as "able to find work within two years", and I disagree with this stance.

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    57. Re:what a laugh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I saw an awful lot of Obama voters at the trump rally I went to.

      What do you mean, they showed up to the Trump rally, presumably in support of Trump, wearing their Obama '12 shirts?

      But Trump's support seems more party agnostic than you want to admit.

      I think that Trump's policies are more party-agnostic than he wants to admit.

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    58. Re:what a laugh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Both parties have little to be proud of in their candidates..

      That's true, the candidates that both parties have put forward are generally failing. Thankfully, though, at least we have Bernie to vote for. And, don't worry, if Trump somehow loses the GOP nomination you'll still be able to vote for him as an independent candidate.

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    59. Re:what a laugh by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2

      Really? I can think of half a dozen things, and that's before even trying a a google search. Have you tried upgrading your browser?

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    60. Re:what a laugh by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Me, me! I want to be the one who fabricates an entire life story for Bernie Sanders inside a parallell dimension of my head next!

    61. Re:what a laugh by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, he has a remarkable knack for picking up angry soundbites in the crowd and amplifying them back at the audience. Some people see this as a clever politics, his followers don't see it at. But I dare say the vast majority of the english speaking world see it as embarrassingly obvious.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    62. Re: what a laugh by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      We all know that Hillary fights for women.

      It's just that "Women have always been the primary victims of war" is a sociopathic, machine-like and deceitful way of fighting for women, pandering to the most extreme amongst women and promoting further extremism.

    63. Re: what a laugh by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      Some of the greatest heroes of your country and mine were far bigger pricks than the Donald will ever be.

    64. Re:what a laugh by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      So... a horrible person, lower character than a KKK leader, boorish blowhard.

      The funny thing is that when left-wingers are called out as sociopathic machine-creatures belonging in a ditch, they cry and call themselves victims.

    65. Re:what a laugh by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You need his toupee to make fun of Shatner? Now THAT's aiming low.

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    66. Re:what a laugh by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      At 57 I'm a few years older than the GP, Trump is 69, 12yrs older than me and possibly old enough to be your dad. :) I agree, he is everything the 70's wasn't, the guy was 20 at the peak of the flower power era. He may technically be a "boomer" but he certainly isn't a stereotypical product of his era.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    67. Re:what a laugh by kheldan · · Score: 1

      lmost hilarious that you think Trump will start WW3 when Hillary has basically promised the military defense industry she would do exactly that. Go ahead and keep believing your Goldman Sachs / CFR puppet is a progressive just because she has a vagina. And keep believing that Trump is a villain because he doesn't want millions of religious fundamentalists to enter the voting pool. You're a propaganda puppet. Your moral platform has been so totally replaced by the party platform that you believe batshit crazy things like (for example) immigration is good for the working class. Keep on believing what you're told. That's a good (unthinking) lad.

      It never ceases to amuse me how so many people will stop reading where they feel like, instead of reading everything written so they can get the full, accurate meaning. Of course you're going to mistakenly believe that when I say 'Trump can't be POTUS' you take that to mean 'he's voting for Clinton' when you stop reading mid-sentence!

      Re-iterating for the benefit of the latecomers: I said I don't like any of them. This may be taken to imply that I am not voting for any of them, either.

      Now, then: Could everyone please read everything someone has to say, before sticking both feet in your mouths? Thanks.

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    68. Re:what a laugh by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      You or a friend may be out of work and it sucks, particularly in the US where the "social safety net" is virtually non-existent. However by any believable economic measure you care to name, that is despite what Obama has done to the US economy, rather than because of it.

      Disclaimer: Not a democrat and I have healthy distrust of partisans. I've also never set foot in the US but by virtue of its global economic and military strength, its politics directly affects everyone in the western world.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    69. Re:what a laugh by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      The US voter is not going to vote in a probable (presuming indicted) felon, even if they're terrified of the Republican candidate. I don't think any of the current Republican POTUS candidates could do much worse than Shrub (whom I liken to an American anti-Christ, and neck to neck with Buchanan for worst POTUS), just like I don't believe Sanders would effect noticeable change if elected. Either Sanders gets the nod (& Bloomberg jumps in), Clinton's VPOTUS candidate runs if Clinton steps down (& Bloomberg jumps in), or Clinton loses to the Republican candidate or Bloomberg.

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    70. Re:what a laugh by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      You've got a few people there who support a very antagonizing US foreign policy while Trump has said....

      ...I'm going to build a wall to keep Mexican rapists out of the US and then I'm going to force them to pay for it. I'm going to build a metaphorical wall at entry points to keep a billion or so muslim out, etc.

      I think he might also be tempted to say he will wipe Syria and Iran off the map as well, but that would upset Putin, and Trump appears to care what Putin thinks of him, at least more than he cares what all of Mexico think of him.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    71. Re:what a laugh by 8086 · · Score: 1
      I agree with you on how refreshing it is to have someone running who says it like it is, but Trump adds unnecessary vitriol to everything he says in order to go 'viral' and snag the most headlines. This type of rhetoric can be a slippery slope and start an unpleasant race to the bottom. The former President of Mexico went on record calling him a lunatic and said he won't pay for Trump's "fucking wall". If Trump was running for the mayor of Chicago this would probably be okay, but as a President he would make the country lose respect every time he loses respect like this. Moral superiority and all that gone down the toilet.

      IMHO Sanders is equally good in the saying it like it is department but without the extra negativity and oversimplification of issues.

    72. Re:what a laugh by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Trump was a teenager in the 60's, he is not a product of his generation, observation suggests a lonely soldier date raped an Orangutang just as WW2 was winding up. By all accounts the Malaysian jungle did strange things to a soldier's mind.

      And yes, I'm a "boomer" and no matter what generation you* come from you have your head up your arse if you think the civil rights movement and the invention of the contraceptive pill didn't dramatically change "everything".

      *you - not you personally

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    73. Re:what a laugh by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I'm in the midwest, it looks like every store around here has a hiring sign in the window.

    74. Re:what a laugh by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Even a KKK leader will know how to at least *pretend* to be a gracious and polite human being when running for president. As much as you may hate FDR, Obama, Hillary, Bernie, whatever, when did any of them ever say "look at that face, who would ever vote for that?"

    75. Re:what a laugh by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      The same can be said of Trump, in fact he has already divided the GOP and conquered those who have remained "loyal". Sanders at least appeals for unity while taking pot shots at Hillary's policies and their sponsors, the word socialist may be taboo in the US but not so in the rest of the western world, much of what Sanders says he will do is just common sense bi-partisan social policy in the rest of the western world.

      Both Hilary and Obama would be classified as "center-right" here in Australia, same political colour as our current prime minister. Sanders would be a very popular opposition leader right now in Oz. Sanders and Clinton have long, and very similar, voting records, for all practical purposes they are 90+% in violent agreement with each other. Sanders, Obama, The Clintons, Bush v1.0, even Ronald Reagan, are/were "democratic" in the true sense of the word - they all want(ed) their own party to be a "big tent" that can tolerate and even encourage a variety of viewpoints, Trump's textbook narcissism* wants to buy the biggest "tent" he can and he wants it filled with loyal sycophants.

      *Trivia: Narcissus was a greek god who fell in love with his own reflection in a lake, he was so enchanted by his own image that he fell in and drowned.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    76. Re:what a laugh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      you mean Megan Kelly who called him "Lord Vodemort"? naw, she really did get owned by Trump and had veritible blood coming out of her whatever.

      Yeah, a real big man making a 5th grader's joke about a woman's menstrual cycle. If you think that's owning her, he could recite the alphabet, and you''d crown him lord. Sorry, your hero has clay feet, and is a coward. A real man would have gone on the next debate, and been oh so pleasant, showing ms kelly that he is the bigger man.

      But alas, he is no man at all. Just another in a line of chicken hawks who talk big, but can be counted on to retreat with their tails between their legs when someone stands up to them.

      But there is a longstanding tradition of people who will support loudmouthed buffoons with no actual plans.

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    77. Re:what a laugh by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      AFAIC the *worst* candidate you have today is Sanders, not Trump. Trump is pretty much all talk, he is not going to start WWIII, no chance, he has too much to lose in that. Sanders on the other hand doesn't have anything to lose, he is offering a quick though idiotic 'solution' to all your problems - socialism.

      AFAIC USA would be much better off with Trump, regardless what he says today than with Sanders, who will attempt to push through his agenda.

    78. Re:what a laugh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2
      You take the bait, and he is afraid to stand up to her. I've dealt with trolls before, and yes, she was trolling him. Of course it isn't like there was nothing to troll. Regardless, a troll is so easily defeatable it's hilarious. You engage, then ignore, then rinse and repeat, then finally give them the smackdown.

      But he's too big a coward, and runs away when confronted. A true American Hero, or perhaps not.

      Honey boo-Boo or Celebrity Apprentice is a reality show. Your claiming that all shows are the equivalent of Honey Boo-Boo and Celebrity Apprentice is a little off, one would think.

      It does however give me some more insight into the minds of Trump supporters. Reality becomes warped, and Winston Churchill is the exact same thing as Simon Cowell.

      Now let's move on to the specifics of Trump's foreign policy and economic policy and US security policies.

      This usually returns cricket chirps.

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    79. Re:what a laugh by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If she is indicted, she will be pardoned. And the jury must disregard any mention of it.

      But I have to ask, does Cruz really have more votes than Hillary? That is wild stuff!

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    80. Re:what a laugh by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      I'd argue the guy who called a former US governor a pussy on national TV in a victory speech during his campaign for President of the United States of America is the one who could use an attitude adjustment.

      It may not have been a politically correct thing to do, but, politically speaking, it was the correct thing to do.

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      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    81. Re:what a laugh by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      here in Australia

      Hey, what's up over there? Why won't you guys elect an Aboriginal that will legalize weed and subsidize solar powered desalination plants and micro-breweries? *sigh* The paradise you could have... On the other hand, what are the chances of Murdoch winning an election?

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    82. Re:what a laugh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Megan Kelly was a corporate lawyer before becoming a TV host. She is not a wilting daisy, and not many people can stand up to her easily.

      I didn't even think that much of her until after Trump and her had their little exchange, and he couldn't handle her then made his creepy menstrual cycle rip, then I did some research. And you are right, she's pretty formidable.

      Oddly enough, the only person I saw who handled her well was of all people Michael Moore, who pretty much charmed her.

      The setup was ready for a regular Fox piece, and he just charmed her overwhelmingly. Here's the clip - kinda fun to watch, because after disarming her, it became a nice back and forth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    83. Re:what a laugh by lgw · · Score: 1

      This whole election is about the working class being entirely fed up with the "DC elites" shitting all over them on immigration, on the economy, on terrorism, and so on. They feel very much not represented right now. Since Trump is on the stage, Cruz looks mild by comparison, and those two are the only guys in years who can even say the phrases "illegal immigrant" and "Muslim terrorist". Looking more sane than Trump is an easy bar to clear. Bernie at least talks about the economic issues, and so gets traction from the same crown for the same populism.

      And it's hard to get more "DC Elite" than the Clintons. Hillary is seen as the puppet of the investment banks, who are blamed for the last 10 years of economic woes (and, frankly, she's not a very likable person - if she was sweet and sincere, she'd like be stomping everyone in this current field on the basis of sanity alone.)

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    84. Re:what a laugh by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Trusting Rolling Stone on anything...okay there.

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    85. Re:what a laugh by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Both parties have little to be proud of in their candidates
      ROFLMAO. I'll take the space cadet socialist and the shrill professional pol over the sentient briskets the Repubs have fielded any day of the week, thanks.

      What the republicans and democrats don't seem to realize is that if sane and reasonable isn't getting the job done, the people will turn to crazy and irrational. The republicans thought that the could get a head start on that by embracing crazy (Tea Party). What they failed to realize (and have more recently discovered) is that crazy is just as likely to help you as turn on you. The old republican guard found that once they helped crazy get a foothold, they really lost control of things.

      The Democrats probably would have tried embracing crazy as well, but honestly they don't have the stomach or the spine for it.

      So now you have the party of spineless vs. the party of crazy (and stupid, given their anti-science/anti-education stances) surrounded by a bunch of voters who think the whole system is useless and feel powerless to change anything.

      And then along comes a Trump.

      Honestly, anyone not seeing Trump as a lead contender just wasn't paying attention. It doesn't matter if he's an egotistical sociopath. It doesn't matter if he's a misogynistic pig. It doesn't matter if he's a racist bigot. All that matters is that he's DIFFERENT, and has the balls to show it. In the current pool of political sewage we've been stewing in for $DIETY knows how long, he appears like a breath of fresh air and a pair of water wings.

      He's not winning because he's the best candidate (far from it). He's winning because he's the most brazen and different candidate. People are angry and frustrated, and he appeals to their anger and frustration. He get's up there, says "FUCK YOU" and drops the mike. The republicans can't out-crazy him, and honestly I don't think democrats know what to do with something like Trump (I swear whenever Trump is brought up Hillary looks like someone threw a bag of rabid honey badgers in her lap). I'm half convinced that a fair number of people want to vote for him just to see what the hell would happen if he wins.

      In this election, it doesn't really matter who wins. We all lose. The only difference is how hard they hit us when we say "Please sir may I have another!".

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    86. Re:what a laugh by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      But what about Cruz is "anti-elite" or any more "sane" than Trump? He has already done worse from his seat in the senate. He feeds off and hides behind superPACs like the rest.. If he stands out in any way, it's his own religious extremism and general antipathy.. Otherwise he acts just like any other politician serving a well funded and directed agenda

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    87. Re:what a laugh by Boronx · · Score: 1

      What if Trump wins the nomination?

    88. Re:what a laugh by Boronx · · Score: 2

      "a strict Constitutionalist "

      Is he for Obama appointing a supreme court justice or against it?

    89. Re:what a laugh by Boronx · · Score: 1

      She's not going to be indicted. That's Republican fantasy land.

    90. Re:what a laugh by Boronx · · Score: 1

      And yet GP is right. Democrats are always left cleaning up the sty after Republicans crap all over the place.

    91. Re:what a laugh by Boronx · · Score: 1

      The only way the country collapses is if Trump voters don't accept defeat in November.

    92. Re:what a laugh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That's a good interview

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    93. Re:what a laugh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Reading an analysis and thinking critically about it is the opposite of trusting, you dingbat.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    94. Re:what a laugh by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      What I mean is that i talked with a bunch of people who said they voted for Obama because they thought he was going to be different. And every time someone volunteered this information, there was a lot of me too echos coming from the people around us that I wasn't even talking with.

      Going to a trump rally is a lot more like going to a rock concert instead of a political rally. People seem excited to just be there and will talk about all sorts of stuff without reservation.

      Trump's policies are vague enough that people can read into them. You could say they are agnostic which is likely why I saw so many Obama voters there. And note, the Obama voters probably supported Obama at one time passed the election but seemed disillusioned with him at present.

    95. Re:what a laugh by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Ok, so Mexico is also partly a foreign policy issue, but it's mostly domestic and he's got an antagonizing domestic policy. His ideas about Syria are probably the same as about Iraq and Lybia: Better leave dictators in place than replacing them by Isis and Al Qaeda. I think that's sensible and it's uncommon. He didn't need to say positive things about Kim Jong-un but he did.

    96. Re:what a laugh by ultranova · · Score: 1

      What if Trump wins the nomination?

      Nucular George starts looking like the good old days.

      But the scary thing is, I'm pretty sure so will Trump, a few elections from now.

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    97. Re:what a laugh by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Putin seems to like him.

      That's not a good thing.

      Trump seems the best candidate for normalizing the relations with the designated bad guys. He accepts them as people you can talk with.

      Neither Putin nor Kim Whatever can afford to normalize relations because they need a crisis to excuse the results of their own incompetence and greed and an enemy to justify their "strong" leadership (tyrany). But I suppose Trump could negotiate a return to the Balance of Terror to help all maintain better control over their serfs.

      Likeable doesn't come into it.

      That depends on why someone is likeable or not.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    98. Re:what a laugh by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You need his toupee to make fun of Shatner? Now THAT's aiming low.

      Is it? It's been said there's not that much of a difference between praying to or cursing an entity; either way you're acknowledging they exist and making them the center of yours. I'd propose spontaneous mockery should be included on that list because, after all, this conversation relies on everyone knowing who Shatner is. So whenever you mock Shatner it's equivalent to saying "By Shatner's Toupee!", and the trickster god of modern popular culture who chewed all the scenes, used all the dirty tricks and shagged all the alien women is reinforced in the common consciousness, and gains a little bit more influence over what decisions society makes.

      So... when you mock Shatner, you're actually voting for Shatner - as Captain Kirk - to be the head god - the most influental archetype - of modern American pantheon (the set of cultural archetypes). So laugh at that toupee all you want, mortal, it helps The Kirk feed on you.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    99. Re:what a laugh by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      That's what Trump seems to understand and you don't: that those bad guys are sometimes doing their job pursuing their legitimate interests. We've got a serious problem that we never seem to recognize that, the same we we never seem to be able to acknowledge that sometimes the others can do deterrence too. We always see it as aggression. I think the North Korean nuclear bombs are one of the clearest instances of deterrence around. Seen anyone call it that way?

      So there Trump has said some sound things where the others haven't. It may not mean much because in the end policy can end up completely different, but I think we desperately need to cool down the situation on the international front and I certainly think Clinton is inclined to make things worse. It's also the only positive thing I can think of about Trump, but it's an important one. I'm also not so strongly in favor of it because it's a bit of an 'crooks amongst each other' argument. I am strongly convinced that we need to take our opponents more seriously.

    100. Re: what a laugh by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      And that is his only policy positions?

      Btw. It is vague enough that you don't even know what he was talking about.

      http://www.politifact.com/trut...
       

    101. Re:what a laugh by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine that he is fine with Obama nominating someone to the Supreme Court. He's probably also fine with the Senate having the choice as to whether to confirm that nominee. You know that this is all in the Constitution, right?

      "he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint ... Judges of the supreme Court..."

      The position that the Senate is currently taking is the exact same position that Obama, Biden, and Chuck Schumer very publicly took when their party did not hold the Presidency.

    102. Re:what a laugh by dinfinity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody is perfect. Everyone has done something considered "wrong" in their past

      There's a huge difference between 'not perfect' and 'a fucking asshole'.
      Also, "he acts like regular people act" in the way that he has no problem talking nonsense and covering that up with bullshitting, bullying and pretty much all the juvenile ways to not have to admit having ever been wrong.

      Here's a thought: How about an honest rational decent courteous intelligent guy who always says what he believes and has done so for decades?

    103. Re:what a laugh by lgw · · Score: 1

      Now you're talking about "well-informed voter" stuff. That's never really been the basis of democracy in any age. He runs attack ads against the "DC Elite". They seem to be working, but not help him beat Trump.

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    104. Re:what a laugh by bobbutts · · Score: 1

      People who rank Obama near the bottom bring their credibility and knowledge of history into question.

    105. Re:what a laugh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That's a good interview

      Wasn't it though? I'm not a big fan of either, or at least wasn't until I saw this interview, and was glad to see each could have an interesting and real conversation, brought some humanity to their tough images.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    106. Re:what a laugh by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Don't think for a moment that thought hasn't occurred to me. I'm hoping that doesn't happen. It'll put me in the very uncomfortable position of having to choose between two different versions of my own conscience: Voting for someone who might actually win just to keep that jackass out of the Whitehouse, and voting for someone who doesn't have a snowballs' chance in hell so neither I nor anyone else will be able to point a finger at me and say I'm partly to blame for supporting the agenda of someone I don't agree with in the first place. Pretty much no matter what I do I can't win, and refusing to vote at all just makes me part of the growing problem of people who just don't give a damn enough to participate in the system.

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    107. Re:what a laugh by Boronx · · Score: 1

      To consent to the nominee. Not to declare opposition before they even know who it is. That is beyond their powers in the Constitution, but Cruz has already taken that position.

    108. Re: what a laugh by DEN_GUY · · Score: 1

      I think it's funny how it's a weapon of fear when people don't agree with the politician. Otherwise, it's just called a social media campaign. No different from saying, for example, "Yes we can" a billion times, and getting uninformed teenagers college students to vote.

    109. Re:what a laugh by CaptainLard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consider what happens when you call someone a pussy or a dick, etc. Do you win the argument or change their opinion? Maybe in your head but in reality the argument is over and there is almost zero hope for a resolution. Essentially both sides are dug in and the only thing left to do is escalate the name calling (apologize? not in this decade). So what happens when you call an elected official a pussy? Probably the same thing as if you called them a very nice person thats saving us all. Nothing. Because you're talking among friends...or more likely posting on the internet.

      Now, what happens when the President of the United States calls someone a pussy? It ends all hope of any sort of resolution to the issue that is likely affecting millions of people!

      Just because we're all assholes online doesn't mean its ok for elected officials to just be a dick. Being called a dick is derogatory for a reason. But hey, if trump really floats your boat, great. Just make sure you never disagree with him on anything because on that issue you're fucked.

    110. Re:what a laugh by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      Great, so we know there is a good chance he'll call anyone he is in a competitive situation with a pussy. What happens when China devalues it's currency? Or Russia eyes up another former republic that we deal with? There is a reason diplomats are supposed to be diplomatic.

    111. Re:what a laugh by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      That's a ridiculous position and absolutely false. Nothing in the Constitution constrains the Senate's consent. They are advising the President about their intent. When Obama, Biden, and Schumer were in the Senate, they all did the same thing. Do you not think that freedom of speech holds for Senators the same as it does for other citizens? What a bizarre opinion.

    112. Re:what a laugh by ZoneWombat · · Score: 1

      I would rather have a candidate who understands the rules and guidelines for social behavior. There is a reason we have a social code. Our ability to behave in a proper manner based on the environment is crucial to working as a civilization. Pick any leader of another country (even Putin, who seems to like Trump). Do you think that leader will respond well to being called a pussy by POTUS on Twitter? Do you think we will get anything done globally (except lose all our standing, foreign military bases, and alliances) when our President bullies, insults, and threatens, and prompts thousands of America's Least Polished to make online personal attacks against them? In short, there IS a difference in calling someone a pussy when you are talking politics with your buddies at the bar, and when you are on national TV in a job interview to be that person's highest representative. If you do the second, it indicates that you are a sociopath who cannot function in any civilized cultural setting.

    113. Re:what a laugh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      What happens when China devalues it's currency?

      Trump calls the Chinese a bunch of pussies.

      Or Russia eyes up another former republic that we deal with?

      Trump calls up Putin and personally congratulates him on the acquisition.

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      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    114. Re:what a laugh by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      talks big? silly as he is Trump has actual accomplishments unlike say that empty suit in the whitehouse that delivered on nothing. The federal level politicians are such puny shits that even Trump towers above them (as would admittedly a pissant)

    115. Re:what a laugh by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      not at all, you are the one ignorant of even recent history as Obama even outdid stooges Bush/Cheney in failures and assault on our rights and liberties. Or we could he continued the Bush/Cheney agenda in a downward spiral

    116. Re:what a laugh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      talks big? silly as he is Trump has actual accomplishments unlike say that empty suit in the whitehouse that delivered on nothing. The federal level politicians are such puny shits that even Trump towers above them (as would admittedly a pissant)

      Trump's foreign policy?

      Trump's economic policy?

      Trump's energy policy?

      And your hero has gone bankrupt a number of timaes as well.

      Now it's your turn to answer my questions with specifics, and give the track record of Trump to add veracity.

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  2. how to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod articles as trolls?

    1. Re:how to by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      How to... mod presidential candidates as trolls?

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    2. Re:how to by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if you want to do it like Twitter, just create a "Trust and Safety Council" with Anita Sarkeesian on it to make sure no trolls (i.e. conservatives and non-SJW's) can speak. Here are more detailed instructions.

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    3. Re:how to by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How to... mod presidential candidates as trolls?

      By not voting for them. But it seems a lot of people are voting for Donald.

      If this election were slashdot, the posting made by Donald would still be +5 even though it would have a lot of -1 Troll mods to go with it.

    4. Re:how to by DocHoncho · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised they haven't tried to ban Trump yet. They probably would if they thought they could get away with it.

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    5. Re:how to by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      How to... mod presidential candidates as trolls? (score:3)

      Cue Slashdotters complaining of what a mean bully Trump is, using personal attacks rather than reasoned criticism.

  3. Tyranny of the majority by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.

    1. Re:Tyranny of the majority by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Left off - quote by Lord Acton

    2. Re:Tyranny of the majority by hey! · · Score: 1

      The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.

      Which of course doesn't apply here. Twitter isn't a democracy, it's a kakocracy.

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    3. Re:Tyranny of the majority by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      If he wins the election it's democracy.

    4. Re:Tyranny of the majority by hey! · · Score: 1

      No, if he wins the election it doesn't change the nature of Twitter one bit. It's not like winning rewrites reality and turns falsehood into truth.

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    5. Re:Tyranny of the majority by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that is why democracy is a good method for providing legitimacy for government... but it's a shitty way to decide whether something is actually correct.

      Democracy is usually benign because most people want to be left alone and vote that way. We're not usually inclined to be belligerent, and even with the higher rate of wars that the US has fought, it pales in comparison to the past ideas of war as being desirable or even "fun" for the ruling classes.

      Unfortunately, there are times that you can rouse the majority (or large minority) to anger over something, and then you can control them with rhetoric and make them approve something wrong. And that is where democracy can fail, hard. A democracy is quite capable of electing its own dictator, and has done so more than once.

    6. Re:Tyranny of the majority by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      All will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect and to violate would be oppression. - Thomas Jefferson during his First Inaugural Address

    7. Re:Tyranny of the majority by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Frequently the "anger" is over the free shit they aren't getting but feel is their "right".

      For instance, people are mad that we're not allocating money for this or that disease. Or that we don't have jobs and that government isn't creating more jobs for them.

      In this case, since we're talking about Trump in the article, obviously, there is a different sort of anger involved. And that can be just as bad or unfair as the people who want free stuff.

    8. Re:Tyranny of the majority by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Close enough for government work.

    9. Re:Tyranny of the majority by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Trump is a quick-tempered idiot with a very thin skin, who usually resorts to name-calling and half-true ill-thought out statements. I completely agree with that. And I wouldn't want him as a president.

      That being said.

      This week, Trump sent out a menacing message on Twitter about the Ricketts family, a wealthy clan of Republican political donors, after it was reported that Marlene Ricketts donated $3 million to a group opposed to Trump's candidacy. "They better be careful," Trump wrote of the family, "they have a lot to hide!" "It's a little surreal when Donald Trump threatens your mom," Marlene Ricketts's son, Tom, later told reporters.

      The implication that Donald Trump was threatening the mom is ridiculously misleading.

      The mom may have donated the 3 million dollars, but everyone (including the son) knows that the money came from her husband, the CEO of TD Ameritrade. Not only that, but since the wife Marlene is virtually unknown and has no job (except for being the wife of the billionaire), the son surely knows that those secrets are related to the husband's shady trading scams, and not anything that has to do with his mom.

      The husband is the criminal, not the wife.

    10. Re:Tyranny of the majority by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      And that is why democracy is a good method for providing legitimacy for government... but it's a shitty way to decide whether something is actually correct.

      It's more a way to answer the question of, "what should we do?"

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    11. Re:Tyranny of the majority by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.

      The one pervading evil of democracy is that the majority of people feel they have the intelligence and experience to elect someone to run the government while being incapable of balancing their own checkbook.

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    12. Re:Tyranny of the majority by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I think every government that is voted in by any type of majority of people is oppressive against minorities. In case of the Western collectivist systems, the oppressed minorities just happen to be businessmen, people who start and operate their own small to medium size businesses. Large businesses are also oppressed, but large businesses turn around and game the system that oppresses them to ensure that they are not oppressed by the laws that are put forward to oppress them.

      Basically every new law that comes out from government, be it a new tax or regulation or labour relation or any kind of requirement on businesses, anything at all that deals with money is oppression. However large businesses know that they must play this game, where they go and offer donations to the government Mafia to be excluded from this particular oppression and collection. In all of these cases the people who suffer the most are small and middle sized businesses that have no money to buy their freedom and who end up paying these taxes and so on.

      The vast majority of people are of-course employees or unemployed, but they don't own anything productive so from their perspective the people who do own productive businesses and make more then they do should be the ones that are milked and this majority always hopes to see the proceeds of this theft.

      The collectivist democracy has proven once and again to be much more oppressive than many types of monarchy. At least a monarch can be killed, democracy will really only kill itself but it's a machine, killing one individual component doesn't stop the machine.

      AFAIC we haven't seen real freedom on this planet in any kind of civilized society but we came close in the second half of the nineteenth century in the USA. Today the freer (as in individual self ownership) societies are found in a few places around the world. Switzerland, Singapore, even China is a much freer (from point of view of doing business, which is truly the only freedom that really counts at the end) than most of the rest of the world.

      I have been predicting a huge reset of the entire system for a decade or more, I see the collapse of the USD and bonds coming. The USA economy is done for, the country is bankrupt, it will default and restructure in the next little while but not without a fight. The central bankers will fight tooth and nail, they will inflate more and more, go into negative rate territory deeper and deeper. The government will come out with bigger and bigger more and more disasterous programs, be it housing, medical, infrastructure make shift jobs, energy, military, stock market, whatever it is, it will be huge, bigger than anything before it. The money printing will be profoundly larger than anything before. I think the vast majority of modern Americans is constitutionally incapable of understanding such basic concepts as economics, money, inflation, government oppression, individual freedom.

      I think USA will go through an even deeper crisis of tyranny against the individual before it comes to its senses. I see vast fortunes that will be made and lost in this crisis, the streets will turn red, first the red flags, then blood, it's fascinating to see this after being born in a system that has gone through that and self destructed, to see this happen in the same way again is going to be fascinating.

    13. Re:Tyranny of the majority by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Frequently the "anger" is over the free shit they aren't getting but feel is their "right".

      But far more often it is anger over social institutions and conditions - for example private property and its tendency to cumulate in capitalism - which deny them the freedom and equality which are their right.

      For instance, people are mad that we're not allocating money for this or that disease.

      It's hard to disagree with someone who's angry over being left to die just so you don't have to pay as much taxes.

      Or that we don't have jobs and that government isn't creating more jobs for them.

      It is not unreasonable to demand that society allows you to survive without resorting to crime. Under capitalism this means either enough jobs with enough pay to live on for everyone, or social security. You're trying to argue people are spoiled brats just because they don't quietly curl up to die when you don't need them anymore.

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  4. Trump = Terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Isn’t a ‘weapon of fear’ what terrorists use?

    1. Re:Trump = Terrorist by zlives · · Score: 2

      no, just politicians.
      terrorists are defined as politicians despised by a specific group.

    2. Re:Trump = Terrorist by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Isnâ(TM)t a âweapon of fearâ(TM) what terrorists use?

      Donald Trump is terrorizing the Republican Establishment with becoming the party nominee.

    3. Re:Trump = Terrorist by dejitaru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's more "The Republican Establishment terrorized themselves resulting in Donald Trump becoming a party nominee"

    4. Re:Trump = Terrorist by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The Republican Establishment terrorized themselves resulting in Donald Trump becoming a party nominee"

      That would imply that the Republican Establishment are capable of taking responsibility for the situation that they created by embracing the Tea Party.

      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/how-gop-elite-set-stage-for-donald-trump

    5. Re:Trump = Terrorist by NotDrWho · · Score: 1, Informative

      This whole summary sounds like a precursor to Twitter banning Trump. Their "Trust and Safety Council" with Anita Sarkeesian needs to protect us from any voices which may harm or threaten all of us by disagreeing with the SJW agenda.

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    6. Re:Trump = Terrorist by DocHoncho · · Score: 1

      I hope they do. Can you imagine the shit storm that would stir up? It might finally spell the end of Twitter.

      A man can dream, can't he?

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    7. Re:Trump = Terrorist by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but the Republican Establishment should take responsibility for the situation of embracing Jeb Bush as their chosen candidate. That was a foolish move there. I'm glad Bush* are out.

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    8. Re:Trump = Terrorist by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Trump = Terrorist

      Cue Slashdotters complaining of what a mean bully Trump is.

    9. Re:Trump = Terrorist by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Actually, given their current status, i wouldn't be surprised if they did banned Hillary or Bernie as well due having some minor dissidence from the specific exact "inter-sectional feminism" they preach.
      Just use a "triggering word" by accident or defend the freedom of speech on campuses and bob's your uncle, they're now "right wing white males" on the vision of this crowd.

  5. No surprise by wkwilley2 · · Score: 2

    In today's politics news:

    A blond raccoon was caught lying on the internet. Here's Bernie with the weather.

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  6. Obvious troll is obvious by mjm1231 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's been my theory all along that Trump is trolling the Republican party. I am also not much surprised that this has been an effective method for gaining support from some of their followers.

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    1. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think he's Trolling all of us. It's like he watched "Bulworth" and was inspired by it but decided to go Right Wing with it.

    2. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Moridineas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems a reasonable observation.

      My personal theory (take this with a big IMHO and cum grano salis) is that one big difference between Republicans and Democrats is that by and by, most Democrats tend to like their party. Most Republicans barely stomach their own party. Thus, it makes sense that if Trump is trolling the Republican party, that a lot of Republicans go right along trolling with him.

    3. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course, there's the very real possibility that Trump is sincere in his brand of crazy, and that this resonates with a lot of people.

      You should be afraid of this possibility. Very very afraid.

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    4. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by hey! · · Score: 2

      No, I think the situation is the same on both sides in the US, and it's probably going to be true of any two party system. The people who think the most about politics are the least satisfied with their party, but consider it the lesser of two evils.

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    5. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      A small part of me hopes that this is all a "Stephen Colbert" act. That he's pretending to be a crazy, ultra-right wing candidate but, once in office, he'll turn out to be an extremely liberal President. Of course, this chances of him being sincere are large enough that I wouldn't vote for him no matter who his opponent was.

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    6. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, Trump has been the same guy since the 80s when I first became aware of him .. I don't believe he's a parody.

      He is that guy, and has been for the last 30 years quite publicly.

      I just don't see how that could be an act.

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    7. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course, there's the very real possibility that Trump is sincere in his brand of crazy, and that this resonates with a lot of people.

      You should be afraid of this possibility. Very very afraid.

      Why should we be afraid? Hitler started this way and he didn't do wrong by most germans. Well, apart from interfering in other countries, overthrowing unsimpathetic governments, invading other countries and so on.
      Now which North American country is doing the same? Canada?

    8. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by ddd0004 · · Score: 1

      That would be awesome. I can imagine it now. Halfway through the final campaign speech, Rick Astley pops out and does his thing.

    9. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      It's been my theory all along that Trump is trolling the Republican party. I am also not much surprised that this has been an effective method for gaining support from some of their followers.

      It's Jesse Ventura 2.0. I voted for Jesse. Big mistake. He really had no plan. Now Trump is doing the same thing.

    10. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      Of course, there's the very real possibility that Trump is sincere in his brand of crazy, and that this resonates with a lot of people.

      You should be afraid of this possibility. Very very afraid.

      Of course he's sincere. But he's certifiable nuts. He's so far out of touch with reality and how the world works outside of business that he can't handle any real topics. He can't use intimidation to pass laws or to negotiate with other countries. We saw how well that worked with Bush.

    11. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Destined+Soul · · Score: 1

      My theory has been that he'll retract his support last minute for some other candidate, get a lovely paycheck from them directly or indirectly, then go back to his other antics. After all, it probably pays better to be in the president's pocket than to be the president.

    12. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Of course, there's the very real possibility that Trump is sincere in his brand of crazy, and that this resonates with a lot of people.

      You should be afraid of this possibility. Very very afraid.

      Unlikely, Trump's vision of a Trump Presidency doesn't go much beyond the idea of a Trump Presidency. It's all about showing off his ego. That's why he's always obsessed with everyone talking him and attacks anyone who threatens him. He brags about his poll numbers and supporters the same way he brags about expensive paintings, they're another possession to show off his wealth and power. If he'd seen an opening on the Democratic side he'd be quite comfortable arguing for mass legalization and banning all guns.

      Of course that doesn't mean he's less of a risk, even if his beliefs aren't strongly rooted he'll believe them as much as his supporters believe them. And if Trump ever got into office his major priority would be to become the "greatest President ever" which means doing some major action or series of actions that will serve as a major legacy. Is that mass deportation? A war? A massive change to the tax code? Whatever it is the motive won't be implementing some vision for America, it will be promoting the name Trump.

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    13. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I meant mostly in his support for policies that appeal to right-wing voters when (as some have pointed out), he's been a supporter of the Democratic Party in the past. In the end, though, I don't think Trump supports Democrat or Republican. Trump supports Trump. He's in favor of things that benefit Trump and against things that hurt Trump. If saying "Mexicans are rapists! We need to build a wall!" gets Trump more poll numbers, then Trump will say that.

      Which, of course, means that if he makes it into the White House, his supporters shouldn't expect that Trump will do anything he says he should do. Even less than you'd expect a normal politician to do what he says he'll do. Trump could decide that the complete opposite will benefit him more now and head in that direction.

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    14. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Whether trump is sincere in what he is saying, I cannot say. But most of the country is convinced, quite correctly, that where we are , and our direction, is destroying the Republic, destroying our wealth, and destroying western civilization. Whether Trump's direction is any better than Obama's (you know, the guy who can't articulate any positive thing he thinks is worth doing except to say 'hope and change') I cannot say.

    15. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Of course, there's the very real possibility that Trump is sincere in his brand of crazy, and that this resonates with a lot of people.

      You should be afraid of this possibility. Very very afraid.

      Just look at his hair. The man has absolutely no sense of self-reflection, or would have realised long ago he looks literally (literally literally) like an ass.

      He IS a special kind of crazy, but not as crazy as his supporters. He at least just doesn't reflect on anything his says or does and thus can be excused for not realising how little sense it makes.

    16. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by DocHoncho · · Score: 1

      Why should we be afraid? Hitler started this way and he didn't do wrong by most germans. Well, apart from interfering in other countries, overthrowing unsimpathetic governments, invading other countries and so on.
      Now which North American country is doing the same? Canada?

      There it is folks, "DAE Trump == Hitler"? Lets not pretend Anonymous Coward doesn't know what they're doing, they know exactly what they're doing. A memorized smear comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler based on the most specious of similarities. Astonishing!

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    17. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? There's all kinds of records about him making statements in support of various policies that Republicans are completely against.

      He said things in favor of Planned Parenthood not very long ago.

      He talked about eliminating Obamacare and replacing it with "something great" (yeah, vague, I know) which would take care of everyone, and that "you can't have people dying in the streets". If it were up to the other Republican candidates, they'd repeal ObamaCare and change the laws so anyone who can't pay gets kicked out of ER and dies on the sidewalk.

      He donated to Hillary's campaign in the past.

      He used to be registered as a Democrat.

      There's better lists out there with more of this stuff from his past. He's no leftist for sure, but he does not have a record of being some kind of far-right libertarian or Koch type at all; his record is more like a typical limousine-liberal Democrat.

    18. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Honestly, Hitler's regime probably would have been very successful if they had dialed down the aggression a lot. It was only when they invaded France that the Allies finally did something about it and went to war.

      Imagine an alternate history where Germany never invaded Poland or France or Russia, and instead just stayed within its borders mostly and gave the middle finger to the Allies. Would've really sucked for the Jews and others probably (but it sucked for them anyway, the Allies were mostly too late to help them), but the war probably would not have happened. Even if they had just stuck with Poland, there probably wouldn't have been a war.

      Anyway, as for Trump, his rhetoric is nationalist, but also seems to be a lot less interventionist than the other candidates (except Bernie of course). He just said in the last debate that the middle east would be better off if Saddam and Gadafi had been left alone.

    19. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      A real life version of Network? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/)

    20. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Except all those Germans arrested and put into camps for having the wrong political views or being too educated. And the SA brown shirts going around and beating people who belonged to other parties. No, he did a lot of wrong to the Germans.

    21. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      You basically portray him as a complete sociopath with zero barriers to lie about anything at all.

      Sounds in itself like a sociopathic and paranoid accusation.

    22. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by OpinOnion · · Score: 1

      No.. republicans are always vastly more united on the issues than Democrats, that's partly why they tend to get more done with less people than the liberals. The Republicans just hate lots of things, so you probably think they hate their party more, but they are far far more loyal to their party and against liberals than liberals are to the Democrats. It would be way easier for a sane Republican to pick up liberals votes than it would be for a liberal to pick up conservative votes. Conservatives have been trained to hate everything liberal even before they hear the issue. The people have been trained to be easy to manipulate and Trump is exploiting that, He uses the racists stuff to 'prove' to them that he is one of them and beyond that he is willing to speak off the cuff and is not an established politician, which is popular right now with congresses approval rating being so low. Democrats are much harder to get to unify behind one idea than conservatives. The party is more diverse than the GOP and doesn't not unify as well under pressure as the GOP. You could claim the Dems think for themselves a bit more and the GOP are more likely to follow a group think philosophy because they care more about beating liberals than understanding the issues. If most of those Trump supporters had to understand the issues they'd not be involved in politics at all, but that what makes them so easy to yank from the GOP. All he had to do is appear more willing to be racits and push the same old narrative we always hear from the GOP. Trump didn't make up any of that, he is just saying what those people like to hear to quickly build a base with almost no investment. Major media outlets do all the work for him and people who've never questioned their candidate on the issues continue to vote as they always have. To those people Trump is as republican as any candidate, if not more so, because Republican to them just means hating on liberals, immigrants, blaming government for all problem, loving guns and a few other issues. The problem is that a good 30% of Republicans are educated and believe in the core values which they don't see him representing at all. At the polls Trump is basically pulling almost 50% of the base away from any candidate they GOP could truly unify behind. In the general election if half of those core GOP voters don't go vote for Trump then Hilary will win by a landslide. It's safe to assume 10% or more of core GOP voters will not vote for Trump and those people are also some of the most reliable voting demographics.. wealthy and old. Trump makes great news and the news is going to hype his chances of winning up in order to keep people interested, but there is no reason to think Trump can enough of the non Trump GOP voters to win at this point. It's not a matter of simple choice. About 30% of the GOP's most avid supporters would back any candidate other than Trump. Trump will have to appeal to moderates, independents and even liberals to win the general election without the GOP elites which more or less control the party and usually just tell those Trump supporters what to think and they do. Even after Bush and the GOP almost destroy the economy the election was still way too close. The GOP LOVES their party most of the time, but the strategy of congressional obstruction and pointless investigations from the House was overplayed by the GOP. They didn't govern, they didn't legislate, they didn't present new ideas and their entire world seems to revolve around Obama and Hilary Clinton and what they can get away with blaming them for. That's a great way to fuck the country up and piss everyone off, but you can't win elections through long term obstruction. The GOP hasn't really won seats, they've lost them to the Tea Party and that has been good enough to stop liberal progress, but it's not a real plan because the Tea Party guys are complete losers with no idea what they are doing other than riding in a wave of hate against the congress that does nothing. Everyone in congress who doesn't want to obstruct gets fucked

    23. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Just look at his hair. The man has absolutely no sense of self-reflection,...

      Or maybe just different priorities. Einstein had messy hair, too.

      His hair isn't messy, it is very deliberately organized and set, badly.

      Disorganized due to other priorties is Bernie. Trump is the totally organized, just extremely bad.

    24. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by jcarr · · Score: 1

      > Trump is trolling the Republican party

      I heard it's because he realized if he wins the nomination he has to move into a smaller house in a black neighborhood.

    25. Re:Obvious troll is obvious by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, one of Jesse Ventura's big problems is that he managed to piss off the state congress, and once they decided they weren't going to work with him, they turned him into a lame duck pretty quickly. Then Ventura managed to also piss off the media, and they did everything they possibly could to tear him down. At that point his ability to accomplish anything was near zero. Trump has to be careful not to do the same thing, though as a businessman he's likely going to be a bit more savvy than Ventura when it comes to dealing with congress. Trump doesn't really seem to care about what the media thinks, but thanks to things like Twitter, a lot of people also don't care what the media thinks either so Trump might be onto something there.

      Though we can thank Ventura for the light rail and no more vehicle emissions checks.

  7. Bad Headline by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the Century of Fear. Everybody promotes fear. It's what they use to make us willingly offer up our dignity and our freedom.

    What's being described here is use of media not as a "weapon of fear", but as an all-out weapon of attack.

    1. Re:Bad Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is the Century of Fear. Everybody promotes fear. It's what they use to make us willingly offer up our dignity and our freedom.

      What's being described here is use of media not as a "weapon of fear", but as an all-out weapon of attack.

      Hey, Not EVERYONE. Some of us watch cat videos.

    2. Re:Bad Headline by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Everybody promotes fear.

      Some of us just ignore the fear to maintain productive lives.

    3. Re:Bad Headline by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      Yes. This sort of thing has been increasingly condoned, ignored, not called out, all in the name of politics and power. The big difference now is that it's being done by Republicans to other Republicans, with no quarter given. This is what happens when you continue to tear apart the political norms and decorum that undergird the system. Trump is totally unafraid to deploy it against people who never expected to be attacked for it, and isn't even bothering to have surrogates do it.

    4. Re:Bad Headline by JonWan · · Score: 1

      Some of us are afraid of cats!

    5. Re:Bad Headline by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Fear and outrage. Can't get anything done without outrage. They're two sides of the coin.

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    6. Re:Bad Headline by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      This is the Century of Fear. Everybody promotes fear.

      Ironically, this is grossly hyperbolic and in itself promoting fear.

      There's plenty of people in the world who do nothing at all to promote fear.

  8. Timing by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump has made statements that have later been exposed as false or deceptive â" only after they have ricocheted across the Internet.

    Oh, NOW you complain about this. Is this not in fact the way the internet has worked since day one? Is this not in fact the very premise the entire news industry is based on?

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    1. Re:Timing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Informative

      The difference is that politicians in the past would stretch, spin, and skew the truth, but tried to stop short of outright breaking it. It was like a game. Who could come closest to breaking the truth without actually doing it? If you lost and were caught in a lie, you would retract your statement, make a mea culpa, and then try to find a new way to spin the truth so as not to break it again.

      Trump, on the other hand, doesn't shy away from lies and doesn't bother admitting he's wrong when caught making lies. According to Politifact, 20% of his statements are Pants on Fire lies. Another 39% are false. That's 59% of stuff coming out of Trump's mouth that are completely untrue. For comparison, Cruz has an 8% Pants on Fire rating and 31% false for a 39% total. Trump only scores 7% on True or Mostly-True statements. (Cruz is at 21%.)

      No other candidate does so poorly on this rating, but Trump simply doesn't care about truth at all. If he says that John Pershing shot 49 Muslim rebels with bullets covered in pig's blood and it kept terrorism at bay for 25 years, he gets his message across. Who cares if the story is a complete fabrication? He got people to cheer him on and that's all that matters to Trump. He claims to be an outsider and not a politician but he's more of a politician than anyone else in the race.

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    2. Re: Timing by hsmith · · Score: 1

      It is common practice for news to run front page with stories, when proven false bury retractions in the back of the paper. Oddly, turn about isn't fair play to them. Not pro trump by far, but this is the media SOP.

    3. Re:Timing by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is that politicians in the past would stretch, spin, and skew the truth, but tried to stop short of outright breaking it.

      No, that's not the difference at all. The difference is that the Internet allows us to step into a comforting echo chamber where things that would upset us are safely excluded; only the things we want to believe can get in. Back in the day if a politician were caught in a lie it would be damaging, so you avoided lies where you'd get caught. But today getting caught doesn't matter; the truth doesn't matter; what matters is which way reaction is breaking and you shape that with new information -- or misinformation, either works equally well so long as what you said a few days ago is old news. If your a politician old news can't penetrate the bubble you keep your followers in.

      In short,we live in the golden age of bullshit.

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    4. Re:Timing by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on, he does care about truth. Truth is people want to be lied to.
      In the past politicians were trying to pretend they give a fuck about people as it was harder for the common people to find out about them. Now, with every media channel trying to get a piece of the action it's almost impossible to hide so why not come clean and admit it.
      Politicians say what people want to hear. And Americans want to hear about jobs, about throwing out emmigrants, about how the mighty US will crush the rebellion... erm, terrorists and so on.

    5. Re:Timing by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Trump has made statements that have later been exposed as false or deceptive â" only after they have ricocheted across the Internet.

      Oh, NOW you complain about this. Is this not in fact the way the internet has worked since day one? Is this not in fact the very premise the entire news industry is based on?

      The news industry? No, the "premise" of the news industry, regardless of reality, is that the news would report the truth. They'd have these guys called journalists and reporters who would actually check out stories rather than just repeat what the nearest person said.

      Somewhere along the line, "being first" started to trump "being right." Being first, even by half an hour, became the highlight.

      Maybe this comes and goes in waves. Things are worse than they used to be, but it's still nowhere near as bad as when, say, Heart and Pulitzer were fighting for newspaper control.

    6. Re:Timing by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      No, the "premise" of the news industry, regardless of reality, is that the news would report the truth.

      Nope, that is NOT the premise of the news industry. It was always about promotion of a particular message. You can trace the roots back to criers in roman town squares, feeding the populace information the rulers wanted them to hear.

      It is only in modern times the ridiculous notion that news gathered and reported by HUMANS should or could be unbiased. To say truth really the premise of news is highly misleading.

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    7. Re:Timing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Politicians say what people want to hear. And Americans want to hear about jobs, about throwing out emmigrants, about how the mighty US will crush the rebellion... erm, terrorists and so on.

      And, in this respect, Trump is more of a politician than anyone else in the race. (All the while claiming he's not a politician.)

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  9. Boo for article selection by Moridineas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was hoping that this kind of article wouldn't be showing up any more on the "new" Slashdot. I'm digging the new DICE-less Slashdot (and I even downloaded something from SourceForge for the first time in years!), and while this is obviously not a democracy, MHO is that if I want to read superficial and partisan social networking commentaries, I would seek them out (or not!) somewhere else--not on slashdot.

    1. Re:Boo for article selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So then simply don't click the link if you're not interested in the story, dumbass.

    2. Re:Boo for article selection by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      True, I could definitely just avoid this article and others that I'm not interested in--and I do. Whipslash and BIZX have requested feedback, so there mine is. Ignored or not, I'm fine either way.

    3. Re:Boo for article selection by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ignored or not, I'm fine either way.

      That's the attitude I have about my wife and kids.

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    4. Re:Boo for article selection by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      :-)

    5. Re:Boo for article selection by swell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, I like this kind of discussion at /.

      There are many places to go for talk about politics, religion, diet & health, etc. But each has its own polarization and is intended to satisfy those who agree with a particular viewpoint. Slashdot people tend to have certain opinions, but there are always some who differ and make the discussion interesting. Add to that a fairly high level of intelligence and rationality and we have a great place to explore any topic. Yes, this isn't http://www.well.com/ , but it is as close as many of us will ever come.

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    6. Re:Boo for article selection by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how "partisan" dislike of Trump is. A substantial percentage of both Democrats and Republicans can't stand the sight or sound of the buffoon.

      Alas, there's also a substantial percentage of both Republicans and Democrats (that last surprised me) who like him. I think it's more a case of "We hate politicians of whatever party, and Trump isn't one, at least" than anything else.

      But ... dang. I won't vote for him. I won't vote for either of the Democrat candidates either. Looks like it's third party for me this year.

      Or Cthulhu, because I'm sick of voting for the lesser evil. Perhaps the stars are right.

      My only problem there is that I'm not sure Cthulhu isn't the lesser evil.

    7. Re:Boo for article selection by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no.

      The first time I saw PopeRatzo at +5 was when I realized this place had become Partisan Shit and Piss Heaven.

  10. Trump = Good Hair Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do you really think the Germans in Weimar Germany really thought it was going to end up in humiliating defeat, division or Gas Chambers when they elected Hitler?

    Nope.

    1. Re:Trump = Good Hair Hitler by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      oh? Trump is planning on gas chambers.

      So enforcing the law on immigration criminals or killing ISIL is "like hitler"?

      get some perspective. anti-male SJW femni-nazis on tumblr are more like Hitler than Trump.

    2. Re:Trump = Good Hair Hitler by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I think this comparison is better than "Trump = Hitler": http://qz.com/624065/a-tip-to-americans-from-an-italian-who-saw-berlusconi-get-elected-again-and-again-and-again/

      Trump seems like the American version of Italy's Berlusconi - a buffoon who nobody took seriously, who won the election, and who ruined his country.

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    3. Re:Trump = Good Hair Hitler by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't just block Japanese from immigrating for a limited time.

      He literally built internment camps.

      So however much Hitler Trump is, FDR must be five times Hitler.

      You must have a funny perspective of WW2, a vision where the American ultra-extreme-Hitler fought the German quite moderate Hitler.

    4. Re:Trump = Good Hair Hitler by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that stopping someone from coming into your country is just another variant of imprisoning and murdering them.

    5. Re:Trump = Good Hair Hitler by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      Also notable are Trevor Noah's comparisons of trump to various African dictators...which can be traced back to 2012 where Louis Black had a segment which, surprise surprise, compared trump to some other dictators. One part I remember is "which one of these gold plated 3000 sq ft dining rooms is trump's and which is Saddam Hussein's? Trick question! They're both trump's!"

  11. Trump is an interesting character by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A pathological narcissist, a skilled liar, and possibly a sociopath.

    But an eloquent speaker who so far hasn't actually shown any concrete plans on how he plans to guide america.
    But very good at spewing mindless rhetoric that people seem to eat up, or at least enjoy watching the clown-car circus that the debates have devolved into.
    I fear a showdown between him and Clinton for the highest power in the land. Or in the words of Alien vs. Predator "No matter who wins, we lose"

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    1. Re:Trump is an interesting character by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.

      Sorry just had to point it out. Satariel is awesome. That is all!

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    2. Re:Trump is an interesting character by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But an eloquent speaker who so far hasn't actually shown any concrete plans on how he plans to guide america.

      In what universe is Donald Trump considered an "eloquent speaker"? Please provide some evidence, in the form of transcript or links to video, that shows Donald Trump speaking eloquently.

      FDR, Winston Churchill, even Malcolm X were eloquent speakers. Donald Trump is about as eloquent as an Andrew Dice Clay comedy bit.

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    3. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      who so far hasn't actually shown any concrete plans

      This is the part everyone should be afraid of.

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    4. Re:Trump is an interesting character by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      A pathological narcissist, a skilled liar, and possibly a sociopath.

      This perfectly applies to Hillary Clinton.

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    5. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      Trump isn't eloquent, he's _entertaining_, in the reality TV," Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" sense of the word. Personally I don't find him all that entertaining either, but that's probably because he doesn't appeal to my pre-existing biases.

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    6. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, I'd rate Andrew Dice Clay above Trump. The Daily Show recently had a bit where they showed portions of a Trump speech and for much of it he meanders aimlessly. However, when he gets to certain key talking points ("Ban those Muslims!" "Mexicans are rapists!") the crowd suddenly comes alive and cheers. That's more a knock on the people who support Trump than evidence of Trump being a great speaker.

      What he is good at, though, is media manipulation. He knows how to get everyone talking about him (yes, including what I'm doing now) and thus he gets free advertising everywhere. Nobody asks him for details and he doesn't give any because his campaign isn't about deep political discussions. It's about making the 2016 Presidential Election into one big reality TV show because in that arena Trump wins.

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    7. Re:Trump is an interesting character by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected on my use of eloquent. What I meant was an effective speaker, not as in good, but as in getting people to buy into his brand of BS.

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    8. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I only disagree with your use of the word "possibly". He's pretty definitely a sociopath. I'm hoping Bernie will beat him, but I'm not optimistic.

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    9. Re:Trump is an interesting character by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Indeed, if the democratic party incorporated and entity and ran it for president it would be Hillary Clinton. If the republican party did the same it would be Ted Cruz, Donal Trump is essentially what it would be if Jon Stewart were to run for president, a comedy act variation of the incorporated entity.

      The only candidate who actually is not a party rubber stamp per his positions and statements and might cross the isle at all is Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately, Sanders is still a seasoned politician, supports encryption backdoors, and supports punishing Edward Snowden likely the greatest hero of the modern age.

    10. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      At least Clinton has policy points to defend instead of vague and jingoist fluff meant to successfully sway the soft minded.
      Full Disclosure: I'm not a Clinton supporter.

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      We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
    11. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Nobody asks him for details and he doesn't give any because his campaign isn't about deep political discussions.

      Apparently he did get asked for details during the debate last night. From the short clip I heard, his detailed plan to force Mexico to pay for Trump Wall is "I will, and now it will be 10 feet taller."

    12. Re:Trump is an interesting character by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      At least Clinton has policy points to defend...

      But does she, really? She's got a long history of being against-things-before-she-was-for-them (and the other way around), and her main thing is her claim to be "fighting for" people ... but without any real history of actually accomplishing anything except doing things like smearing the reputations of the women abused by her husband even as she claims to have been "fighting for women." Really, she doesn't actually seem to have any solid principles - she's entirely poll driven (and not in the "just working on the policies that my constituents want" way, but in the "saying the soundbites that focus groups indicate will get me in power" way).

      I dislike her personality, lying, and sure-looks-criminal-to-me behavior so much that I'm not really bothered by the fact that she doesn't have any solid policy matters about which we can debate. Her main policy profile at the moment is "sound more like Sanders while it's necessary to, trying to brush off old things she said that are completely denigrating to black people, and characterizing Obama's Justice Department as part of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that's fabricating stuff that actually happened when she tried to avoid future FOIA requests by running her official - and often extremely sensitive/classified - messaging through a server in her house. Really - which consistent, solid policy positions do you find her actually defending? It's all hand-waving "fighting for" rhetoric.

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    13. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Boy, Trump is not an eloquent speaker. I was watching the Republican debate last night, because God help me, I watch every debate in full, and Marco Rubio finally went for the jugular with his Emperor Has No Clothes characterization of Trump.

      RUBIO: ... We already mentioned that (inaudible) plan, I know what that is, but what else is part of your plan...
      TRUMP: ... You don't know much...
      RUBIO: ... So, you're only thing is to get rid of the lines around the states. What else is part of your healthcare plan...
      TRUMP: ... The lines around the states...
      RUBIO: ... That's your only plan...
      [...]
      TRUMP: ... You get rid of the lines, it brings in competition. So, instead of having one insurance company taking care of New York, or Texas, you'll have many. They'll compete, and it'll be a beautiful thing.
      RUBIO: Alright...
      RUBIO: So, that's the only part of the plan? Just the lines?
      TRUMP: The nice part of the plan -- you'll have many different plans. You'll have competition, you'll have so many different plans.
      RUBIO: Now he's repeating himself.
      TRUMP: (inaudible) I watched him repeat himself five times four weeks ago...
      RUBIO: ... I just watched you repeat yourself five times five seconds ago...
      [...]
      RUBIO: ... I see him repeat himself every night, he says five things, everyone's dumb, he's gonna make America great again...
      BASH: ... Senator Rubio...
      RUBIO: ... We're going to win, win win, he's winning in the polls...
      BASH: ... Senator Rubio, please.
      RUBIO: ... And the lines around the state.
      (APPLAUSE)
      RUBIO: ... Every night.
      BASH: Senator Rubio, you will have time to respond if you would just let Mr. Trump respond to what you've just posed to him...
      RUBIO: ... Yeah, he's going to give us his plan now, right? OK...
      BASH: ... If you could talk a little bit more about your plan. I know you talked about...
      TRUMP: ... We're going to have many different plans because...
      BASH: ... Can you be a little specific...
      TRUMP: ... competition...
      RUBIO: ... He's done it again.

      I'm no fan of Rubio's, but finally the other candidates are starting to point out how air-headed and repetitive all of Trump's talking points are. Eloquent speaker indeed. Insulting anyone who disagrees with him (classic narcissistic trait) and just saying we're going to 'win.' He has all the debate ability and the temperament of a 10-year-old, but it's such a contrast to the overprotective wishy-washy never-actually-say-anything-that-can-be-fact-checked method of campaigning that I guess for some people, it's refreshing.

      Maybe the other candidates were afraid to do this because they know that primaries are all about boldly promising things you have no chance in hell of delivering (see: Sanders).

    14. Re:Trump is an interesting character by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      2 out of three ain't bad. but he's no moron. His recent quip about his taxes being audited because he was such a devout christian was nothing short of genius. His target audience will lap that up and to hell with the truth.

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    15. Re:Trump is an interesting character by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Her primary image is that of the status quo.. The fact that people are even considering trump and sanders suggests just how unhappy many americans are with that.

    16. Re:Trump is an interesting character by invid · · Score: 1

      Trump is like the guy on Seinfeld who told Elaine she had a big head. He sees the weakness you didn't even know you had.

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      The Moore-Murphy Law: The number of things that will go wrong will double every 2 years.
    17. Re:Trump is an interesting character by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Bernie is NOT a sociopath, despite his malicious spreading of the wage gap myth?

      Hillary is NOT a sociopath, despite her "Women have always been the primary victims of war" pandering?

      Yeah, no.

    18. Re:Trump is an interesting character by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      According to several new polls, Bernie beats Trump, Cruiz and Rubio when facing off each of them. Clinton loses to all three.

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    19. Re:Trump is an interesting character by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Rolling Stone had an unusually insightful analysis of Trump. I suggest everyone read it.

      Basically, every single politician running is fake, there for show, and lying to you. Trump is just better at the game.

      If you want to know what Trump would be like as a president, his concrete plans, it would be the same as he's always done: build things. He's serious about building a beautiful, great wall of Trump (beautiful in his eyes only). For things he doesn't care about, he'll listen to his advisers. Oh, and he'll destroy ISIS.

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    20. Re:Trump is an interesting character by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "eloquent speaker? As someone not in the USA with no skin in the game, to me he sounds like a rambling lunatic. Is there anyone he hasn't offended yet.

    21. Re:Trump is an interesting character by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Except if you listen he's not at all eloquent. It really sounds like he needs a speech coach. Rather than pausing with "um"s and "ah"s, he repeats the last thing he said while thinking up the next non-sequitur to relate. He talks like he's talking in tweets.

    22. Re:Trump is an interesting character by bongey · · Score: 1

      Clinton is running against herself?

    23. Re:Trump is an interesting character by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Donald Trump most definitely is a comedy act but I never said that he wasn't dangerous.

  12. I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    We should never allow speech to become 'actionable'. If you want to act, do it against the followers, they are the more dangerous part of the equation.

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    1. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by hey! · · Score: 1

      Opinions aren't actionable, but of course speech is and should be actionable. Or are you saying that defamation should be legal? In our system the bar for proving defamation is pretty high, particularly against a public figure.

      The kind of defamation that you can prove against someone like Jacobus is scurrilous in the extreme; it doesn't contribute in any constructive way to the public debate, because it has to be a deliberate and malicious falsehood.

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    2. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Speech is never 100% free. If I were a TV reporter and I claimed on air that the CEO of Coca Cola personally killed 50 kids a year, I'd be brought up on charges of libel. If I had evidence supporting this, I could get off but if I just didn't like the guy, I can't just say anything I want and then say "Free Speech" to get off.

      Similarly, there's no protection against incitement to violence. If I whip a group into a frenzy about "those evil Muslims" and then shout out the addresses of Muslims saying "someone should put bullets through their heads", then I can't shrug my shoulders and claim "Free Speech" when one of my followers shoots someone I mentioned.

      Free Speech is a right, but all rights have limits. As the saying goes: Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

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    3. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Speech (within a certain decibel limit, I suppose) is not a fist. Words cannot incite violence. Violence is a personal choice of everyone in the mob. And defamation is a bullshit excuse to silence critics of powerful people. You, the listener have the obligation to verify what was said before acting against the alleged 'victim' and should be held responsible for the consequences of your actions. Now, if you don't believe in free will, state as much, then ignore this post.

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    4. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I don't care how false and deliberate the speech. You are not compelled to believe it or respond in any way. The words have no power you don't give. Censorship is an insult to any human who accepts the concept of free will.

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    5. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by hey! · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about compelling people to believe or respond in any way. I'm talking about holding people responsible for the consequences of the responses they choose to make. I don't care if you believe that Bernie Sanders drinks the blood of Christian babies. If you sincerely believe that, and spread it around, well it's unfortunate that you're such a deranged person. But if you start that rumor knowing it's false, you should face consequences.

      This is not some kind of new-fangled theory. It's been part of US law since before the Revolution; it goes back in common law for over 500 years. Every free society in the world has some legal prohibition on defamation.

      As to the idea that words have no power you don't give them, that's naive in the extreme. I'm not talking about hurt feelings, I'm talking about damaged reputations and that is very powerful no matter how you feel about it. People absolutely depend upon their reputations to conduct business. To deliberately and unjustly take someone's reputation away is no different from torching a tractor on a farm or a lithography machine at a semiconductor plant.

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    6. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. The listener is the only one responsible, for believing false statements and acting in bad faith. The speaker didn't force him. It is a personal choice that no one else should be held to account. Yes, I know I'm in a tiny minority, but it does not invalidate what I say. Either you have free will, or you don't. You shall not blame others for the things you do.

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    7. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

      Pity that reality and the law doesn't agree with you. Incitement to riot is a crime, and entrapment is (at least officially) a no-no.

    8. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Speech can definitely be used to incite violence and defamation/libel have been illegal for quite some time. None of our freedoms are without limit and that includes free speech. If a mob boss tells a hit man that someone needs to be shot dead, is that just words that can't possibly be prosecuted? If a pastor gives a stirring (to his group) speech about the evils of abortion, mentions how evil should be shot dead on sight, and then lists the home addresses of doctors who perform abortions, does he bear zero responsibility if one of his followers shoots one of the doctors?

      Inciting someone to violence doesn't mean that the person who committed the act gets off. This isn't a "free will" issue where the person claims their will was taken over by someone else and they aren't culpable. However, it recognizes that people hold sway over each other and some hold a lot of sway.

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    9. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by hey! · · Score: 1

      The listener is the only one responsible, for believing false statements and acting in bad faith. The speaker didn't force him. It is a personal choice that no one else should be held to account.

      Deception is a kind of force. That's the whole point of deception is to force the listener to do your bidding by subverting his knowledge of the truth.

      Yes, I know I'm in a tiny minority, but it does not invalidate what I say.

      Yes, but if you disagree with virtually everyone you should at least consider the possibility that you're wrong. You aren't necessarily wrong, but you probably are.

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    10. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Incitement to riot is a crime

      Yeah, so was freeing the slaves before the civil war. Censorship is always wrong.

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    11. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If a mob boss tells a hit man that someone needs to be shot dead, is that just words that can't possibly be prosecuted?

      Yes, the hit man chose to do the job. He is the only responsible party. He didn't have to follow the order. See, this is the thing. It is the actor that should be punished...

      Words inciting violence is a bullshit concept, designed by authority to provide the pretext for censorship. It is impossible. The violent person who commits the act is one to sanction. If he can't control himself, the insanity defense is available. Incitement to violence comes from within, and only from within.

      Free will is free will, swayed or not.

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    12. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about damaged reputations and that is very powerful no matter how you feel about it. People absolutely depend upon their reputations to conduct business. To deliberately and unjustly take someone's reputation away is no different from torching a tractor on a farm or a lithography machine at a semiconductor plant.

      Agreed. That's what makes SJW efforts to silence their opposition by destroying their reputations and livelihoods so insidious. It's become the norm now for SJW's to not only allege that their opposition is engaged in criminal harassment, but also to publicly doxx them, write to their employers demanding that they be fired from their jobs, try to get them expelled from college (if they're a student), get them banned from any speaking outlet, etc.--in short to do anything they can to destroy the lives of anyone who dares disagree with them (and use this to send a message to anyone else who might disagree with them to stay silent OR ELSE).

      In the end, the routine practice of trying silence your opposition by force is not only unhealthy for the society as a whole, but it's also almost certainly destined to backfire on anyone doing it at some point in the future. A Jacobin calling for the heads of his opponents to be guillotined today is very likely to find his own head on the block tomorrow.

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    13. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by ultranova · · Score: 1

      The listener is the only one responsible, for believing false statements and acting in bad faith. The speaker didn't force him.

      The listener is not responsible for acting in bad faith because the listener did not act in bad faith. The speaker, on the other hand, did.

      Yes, I know I'm in a tiny minority, but it does not invalidate what I say.

      No, but your statements being illogical nonsense does.

      Either you have free will, or you don't.

      When it comes to not believing any falsehoods, you don't have free will. You can't reject all incoming data yet function, and you don't have magical ability to tell truth from falsehood so some of the latter will get trough, no matter how careful you are. The matter is out of your power.

      You shall not blame others for the things you do.

      How about the things they do to you, like lying?

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    14. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      See, that is where you all fall down. The listener acted in bad faith. He chose to believe incorrect information and acted on it because checking it out is too inconvenient. Screw that! That is the definition of bad faith. You cannot blame the speaker, even though you do anyway. That is also acting in bad faith. Words have no intrinsic power that can compel action. You must choose to act. You prefer censorship for its expedience, nothing more.

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    15. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Deception is a kind of force.

      Only in the face of a clear and present danger, bomb, fire, etc. But even there the panic should be resisted. Otherwise you have the time to verify before acting. There is no force, it's simply does not exist outside the listener's head. The choice to act always comes from within, along with the responsibility, deception or not.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    16. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I never said the hit man wouldn't be punished. Of course he would be. But the mob boss who ordered the hit would also be punished. Free speech has limitations.

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    17. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      But the mob boss who ordered the hit would also be punished.

      Why? If nobody follows the order, nothing happens. The button man is the only one the punish. You didn't read the post correctly.

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    18. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

      Fallacy of false equivalence. Ho-hum.

    19. Re:I don't care if it's Trump or anybody else by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Nice cop out! Works every time...

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  13. I suppose, but when's the last time anyone read... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    >> Donald Trump has used Twitter to badger and humiliate those who have dared cross him

    Er, I suppose, but when's the last time anyone actually read their Twitter feed? Or is this story about people dumb enough to read and react to what this guy says?

  14. As long as he doesn't take Koch money by bobm · · Score: 2

    I would rather have a jerk trying to run the country than a puppet for Koch and friends, I'm really interesting to see if the RNC will let him actually represent them or if something will happen on the way to the convention. Now that the Koch brothers are pushing Rubio I expect him to get better coverage but I think that Trump would make for an interesting 4 years. I don't think that 4 years under Trump would be as bad as 4 years under the Koch brothers.

    ( http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/top-koch-brothers-official-jumps-marco-rubio-s-campaign-n524336 )

    1. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think in a lot of ways, US politics suffers from the tyranny of mediocrity.

      We have a system of checks and balances for a reason, and I think part of that reason is so we can take risks on political candidates who don't fall into the category of least worst or best-on-average.

      Trump has his buffoonish qualities and some crazy outbursts, like building the ridiculous wall, but I just don't get the sense that he's as bad as he's made out to be, and he does have some kind of compelling traits, like being one of the first candidates to speak out against H1-Bs and not needing to kowtow to party insiders or financial donors.

      As a system of positions, I like Sanders more but not exclusively and the other candidates turn me off in various ways. Rubio is paper thin in many of the same ways Obama was, Cruz is such a hard-core ideologue and has some positions I intimately detest, and both, for all their faux rebel status within the party prior to the primaries seem heavily invested in the existing system that benefits donors.

      Hillary may well be the best qualified as a political executive, but I also think she's too compliant to donors and too driven by personal ambition and hubris; she's just not trustable, and I don't like many of her positions, either.

      I say take a risk on crazy maybe and see what happens. I guess I just don't see our system capable of being ruined permanently by one guy.

    2. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      What about 4 years under the people backing Hillary, who spend FAR more money on political messaging and organizing that the Koch brothers have, would, or even could if they wanted to? You understand that they're WAY down the list of money-spending agenda pushers, and that the biggest ones are all on the left ... right?

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    3. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Your comment is why stories like this do belong on slashdot. I just don't think I could risk voting for Trump just in case anything he has said actually does represent his personal beliefs (I don't think they do, he just saw a path to the next adventure as being easier through the republican side then through the democrat side). I'm not even sure I know what he wants out of the process.

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    4. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by swb · · Score: 1

      I just don't think I could risk voting for Trump just in case anything he has said actually does represent his personal beliefs

      Trump's virtue/vice is that he says the first thing that comes to his mind, which largely dovetails with the kind of conventional wisdom that most people have on many of the issues. It doesn't make the statements *good* or necessarily practically valuable, but at least it's not dishonest and manipulative.

      Take his statements on illegal immigration and the wall. It doesn't strike me as necessarily illogical that maybe one source of illegal immigration is a porous border that's too easy to get across. If we have an immigration process (and I think only a tiny minority would argue for open borders), part of the enforcement process maybe should involve a physical barrier that prevents people from just walking in. I mean, there is a reason every border checkpoint *I've* seen has fences and cops and barriers of some kind.

      Now if you stop and think about it you can come up with all kinds of reasons why you couldn't build a wall -- too expensive, engineering challenges, not actually effective, but it still doesn't invalidate the idea that maybe there should be a better barrier to entry if we're actually going to have a limited access immigration policy.

      What makes him more appealing is that the other candidates are *all* talking out of the sides of their mouths on this subject, either as an appeal to specific ethnicities or to appease their other interest groups. Trump says common sense things people agree with when the other candidates spout nonsense that makes the tax code seem straightforward.

    5. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm really interesting to see if the RNC will let him actually represent them

      Yes, because the alternative would mean they lose power. That is why the parties have survived so long: they adapt easily, without prejudice. When the "old guard" gets too much of a hold on a party, then the party dies.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    6. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by kencurry · · Score: 1

      ...Trump has his buffoonish qualities and some crazy outbursts, like building the ridiculous wall, but I just don't get the sense that he's as bad as he's made out to be, and he does have some kind of compelling traits, like being one of the first candidates to speak out against H1-Bs and not needing to kowtow to party insiders or financial donors...

      By way of political synopsis, you may be right about Trump. The problem is we have to take on faith that he would turn out okay once all the election posturing is over (and by "okay" I only mean not as horrible as every other candidate.) What we see on a daily basis is pretty appalling however; if he is capable of reason and level-headedness, why not show that in the campaign?

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    7. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by swb · · Score: 1

      if he is capable of reason and level-headedness, why not show that in the campaign?

      I think it's a question of style and image as much as it is being actually being pig headed and rash, and I think it's something he developed as a real estate developer in New York. Just think about the people you have to deal with building real estate in New York -- this is not a career path you achieve success in with a even keeled and contemplative personality. City government, clients, trade unions, contractors, competitors and probably even the mafia at some level.

      Having a brash personality creates an image both intimidating and charismatic.

      And Trump has been like this since at least the 1980s when Spy used to lampoon him as a short-fingered vulgarian, so you might even gauge some of his success as being in spite of this personality, even.

      It also seems somewhat axiomatic to me that anyone who's managed to stay at his level let alone not fail miserably and end up indicted or broke after this long has to be more reasonable and flexible than his soundbites would indicate. You'd have to be.

      I really do think he's been somewhat underestimated for his potential. His policies would likely end up being more pragmatic and reasonable than predicted, however they wouldn't have any ideological coherency and the only reason that should bother anyone is they're an ideologue.

    8. Re:As long as he doesn't take Koch money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      she's just not trustable, and I don't like many of her positions, either.

      I say take a risk on crazy maybe and see what happens. I guess I just don't see our system capable of being ruined permanently by one guy.

      Can I point out that you are saying you would trust a madman over a dishonest one? I understand you'd prefer neither, but the scope of damage a madman can wreak is in a league far greater than a dishonest one. Read history. Literally anything from Rome on up to twentieth century.

      Without the slightest fear, I can assert that testing our system's strength is dangerous and we can only guess at the level of disaster it will bring. There is no reset button, not with Trump, nor with anyone who may follow.

      Taking a risk on crazy is your right, but if history shows one thing, crazy will never be halfway right.

  15. Libel? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    Is this not considered libel? Is that legal now?

    1. Re:Libel? by Kagato · · Score: 1

      Sure. But you need the money to enforce your claim. He can keep a case like that in limbo for years.

    2. Re:Libel? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is this not considered libel? Is that legal now?

      Effectively, libel doesn't exist in the US, especially for anyone in the public sphere.

      And this is a good thing, because how else would we have learned that Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer?

      http://www.miaminewtimes.com/n...

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    3. Re:Libel? by gregsmac · · Score: 1

      Now that's a troll

    4. Re:Libel? by meglon · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, today was the first time i heard about Ted being him. I suppose Ted should be glad that his last name isn't santorum.

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  16. This is a subjective political article... by nrasch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So this is clearly a subjective, politically motivated posting. For example, we don't hear the other side of the story, etc. Love or hate Trump, I come to this site for news for nerds, not clap trap about the actions of some candidate. Frankly they all suck, and so holding one higher--or lower as the case may be--is vapid at best. Drop the slanted political "news" and get back to what we come to Slash Dot for.

    1. Re:This is a subjective political article... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Trump is WINNING. That scares the hell out of a lot of people, myself included. I kept assuming people would grow up and stop voting with their middle fingers, but apparently I overestimated the maturity of voters... or at least of registered Republican voters. On the other hand, if Trump actually does get the Republican nomination and we advance the Doomsday Clock to 1 millisecond to midnight, perhaps people will wake up and elect a Democrat to save themselves.

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    2. Re:This is a subjective political article... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Frankly they all suck, and so holding one higher--or lower as the case may be--is vapid at best. Drop the slanted political "news" and get back to what we come to Slash Dot for.

      Speaking of vapid... the idea that all the candidates are equivalent is the most empty and baseless statement I've heard in a long time. Or do you really think there's no difference between Trump and Kasich, or Sanders for that matter? Yes, there's always dreck, but this year's primaries offers more substantive and stark choices than any primary since I began voting in 1980.

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    3. Re:This is a subjective political article... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The way I saw someone put it, the parties have become "incubators" or "accelerators" for third party candidates.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  17. I don't agree with your logic by Pollux · · Score: 1

    I don't want a jerk -or- a corporate puppet. Sadly, the GOP doesn't appear to be all that concerned with finding someone that doesn't fit into at least one of those categories. I almost think they purposefully encourage candidates like Dr. Carson to apply to make the jerks and puppets look that much more appealing.

    When it comes to the position of the President of the United States, I don't believe a "lesser of two evils" strategy should ever be presented as an option.

    1. Re:I don't agree with your logic by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      When it comes to the position of the President of the United States, I don't believe a "lesser of two evils" strategy should ever be presented as an option.

      With a two-party system, you will hardly ever get better than that.

  18. So he using Twitter like SJWs use Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what I'm getting is that Trump is using Twitter in the exact same way the SJWs use Twitter, but because it's Trump doing it, now it's bad.

    Mm-kay.

    The problem Twitter has is that it's become a platform for building outrage. People use retweets as a weapon to get their followers to harass people they disagree with. They'll post small, out of context quotes solely for the purpose of building rage. When it's SJWs or the likes of [only] Black Lives Matter doing it, that's fine, and Twitter is all about how cool activism is on their platform.

    When Trump does it, now it's the end of the world and we've got to stop those evil people by blocking them.

    Uh, no. Either ban both, or ban neither.

    1. Re:So he using Twitter like SJWs use Twitter by Notorious+G · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those people are on internet forums ....

  19. Geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No wonder kids nowadays are such pussies, it turns out that the adults that raised them might be even bigger pussies. "Oh no! Someone said something nasty about me on Twitter!!! What shall I do!?!" Has the world come to the point where someone bad mouthing them has such horrible effect on their lives that they live in fear? If Trump publishing a libel, then sue him. Starting lies that damage one's career or incites another to commit violence is a crime.

    1. Re:Geez by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Has the world come to the point where someone bad mouthing them has such horrible effect on their lives that they live in fear?

      I blame the helicopter parents raising a generation of wussies.

    2. Re:Geez by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      You're kind of a weenie, aren't you?

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  20. I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I thought that leftists and social justice supporters (who generally oppose Trump) were fully in support of public shaming, especially when it's done online using social media platforms. It is one of their preferred tactics, after all. I mean, there was all that Kony 2012 nonsense, that incident where a couple of programmers were harassed for using the word "dongle", then the faux outrage over "manspreading", and numerous other incidents.

    Maybe this is just another example of them being dirty hypocrites, where they're willing to do something to somebody else, but are totally against it happening to them too?

    1. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I love watching Heads Explode in the morning. Looks like....Politics!

      It's like watching some Football coach going nuts because the opposing team used some obscure, seldom used play, but which is perfectly legal

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      When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
    2. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by IceAgeComing · · Score: 1

      I thought the more common name for the behaviors you describe was trolling. Where is the line supposed to be?

    3. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Trump is a racist blame-and-excuse machine who tells a different version of "truth" every 10 minutes.

      Interestingly, your comment is an example of public shaming, yet it's completely not 'based on fact', and is actually based on 'innuendo or invented bullshit'.

      It's not racism when Trump takes a strong stance against Mexicans and others who illegally enter the United States. Mexican isn't even a race, it's a nationality! One can't be racist against a nationality!

      It's not racism when Trump takes a strong stance against Islamic terrorists who wish to harm the United States. Islam isn't even a race, it's a religion! One can't be racist against a religion!

      Wanting to uphold the security of America's borders is not making excuses, either.

      You've clearly attacked Trump using lies, innuendo and 'invented bullshit'.

      What's even more interesting is how your comment backs up exactly what the GP comment points out.

      Left-leaning individuals, such as yourself, do exhibit hypocrisy.

      You'll claim what Trump is doing is wrong, yet you'll do the same thing, but with far more ferocity!

    4. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I thought the more common name for the behaviors you describe was trolling. Where is the line supposed to be?

      The line is when the troll is defeated with an indisputably factual reply. When that line is crossed, he cries "SJW! SJW!!"

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    5. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      "Trump should stop making subjective and unfounded statements like someone being a loser!"

      "Oh, by the way, Trump is objectively and factually a racist"

      yeah, no

    6. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      What you call "shaming" is just exercising freedom of speech to criticise behaviour. It's mostly the anti-feminists saying that they should not be criticised, but sorry, even if it upsets you out makes you feel ashamed, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. People will criticise you, deal with it.

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    7. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Boronx · · Score: 1

      You may be a tad paranoid. It's possible the stupidities you mentioned might have been carried out by different people than this heavy-handed censorship.

    8. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Boronx · · Score: 1

      "It's not racism when Trump takes a strong stance against Mexicans and others who illegally enter the United States. Mexican isn't even a race, it's a nationality! One can't be racist against a nationality!"

      Trying to plead ignorance, eh? White Mexicans aren't Mexicans, but brown Salvadorans are Mexicans. Racists don't ask a Mexican whether he's a Mexican or not before hating on him. They don't need to! They can tell just by looking.

      "It's not racism when Trump takes a strong stance against Islamic terrorists who wish to harm the United States."

      You mean he'll refuse entry to Muslims. You're right, it's not racism. It's religious bigotry. That's way more UnAmerican than racism. BTW, did Trump ever explain how he'd figure out who was a Muslim?

      Trump was is also an Obama Birther. That's pure racism. Even if Obama had been born in Kenya he still would have been a natural born citizen of the US. Meanwhile his opponent in 2008 really wasn't born in the US, but nobody cared. Why not?

    9. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Boronx · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? The anti-SJW troglodytes who frequent Slashdot and other places are at least as touchy as those chicks they are so afraid of.

    10. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Suey Park is an interesting example. She exercised bad judgement at worst, but never seriously called for Colbert to be cancelled. In any case, stalking and threatening to rape/murder her can never be justified. Disagreeing, criticising, and ideally giving her an opportunity to clarify and correct her mistake, all fine.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    11. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      It's mostly the anti-feminists saying that they should not be criticised

      Whats this, did someone forget to inform me that we are to treat things as completely opposite to reality today?

      You, AmiMoJo, are a fucking serial liar on the subject and have proved it once again.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    12. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      but never seriously called for Colbert to be cancelled

      That's her REVISED story. And it runs contrary to any number of additional tweets and videos she made around the time of cancelcolbert that made it clear that she was quite serious about it at the time.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    13. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, everyone is a whiny bitch. But the important distinction is between those whiny bitches who just want to bitch too and those whiny bitches who want to silence their opposition by intimidation, threat of legal action, and censorship. I'm fine with the bitchfest. But the second one side decides they have the moral authority to take away the other side's right to speak--then they've crossed the line.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    14. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Agreed! although I've seen that from both sides.

    15. Re:I thought leftists supported public shaming? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      BTW, did Trump ever explain how he'd figure out who was a Muslim?

      When he says muslim, he means middle-eastern-brown-people-that-aren't-israelis.

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  21. Someone call in Anita Sarkeesian!! by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If only Twitter could appoint a committee with Anita Sarkeesian in charge to ban all those nasty conservatives who abuse their "free speech" to say things good liberals find offensive.

    Oh wait, they already have.

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    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    1. Re:Someone call in Anita Sarkeesian!! by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      She doesn't give a damn what liberals say, as long as it's not sexist.

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    2. Re:Someone call in Anita Sarkeesian!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Sexist" being anyone who disagrees with her, of course.

  22. Can't stump the Trump. by jtrainor · · Score: 1

    And here people complain all too often about politicians who don't understand technology. Well, you got what you wanted. Are you not entertained?

  23. So th first "get trump off of twitter" post failed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And slashdot is trying again?
    http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
    (I notice the highly commented article is conspicuously absent from the "you might also like to read" list)

    "Oooh, he's such a meany.. he's so mean, like gamer gater mean... only Democrats can be so mean to Republicans on twitter so Trump should be bannnnnned"

    You're arguing for anti-bullying speech on one post while simultaneously posting articles calling for the heads of other "non-slashdot" approved persons on others using the exact same bullying tactics being decried here (or have you read your own comment sections? (Including this one)

    Stop this free speech for me not for thee crap.

  24. You're right by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    A pathological narcissist, a skilled liar, and possibly a sociopath.

    Ya know, you're right. After reading your post, I've had a realization that Trump is everything YOU say he is, and am switching my support to $YourCandidate.

    ...and this is one of the problems with the current elections, and previous ones. People think that name calling makes a difference, that saying something is "dumb" will make others change their views.

    It works if you're an insider, because other insiders are the ones who give you campaign money. If a politician says something slightly controversial, the press takes it to an unreasonable extreme and spashes it everywhere, your big-money donations dry up, and you end up spending less on your campaign. And the candidate that spends the most money wins the election(*).

    Unreasonable extreme? Trump is compared unfavorably to Hitler, he's the "nightmare scenario", his presidency is "too terrible to contemplate". I just read an article that started "Trump will be elected, and this will start humanity's dark final chapter".

    Trump is a populist candidate, his support comes from the people, not the elites. He plays the media like a violin, using it for free advertising and otherwise ignoring the insiders.

    (I read an article where one of the Koch brothers was quoted "You’d think we could have more influence".)

    His statements are not "mindless rhetoric", they're just ignored, pushed out of context, and ridiculed. No one *anywhere* posts a discussion of why building a wall is a bad idea, or whether having a temporary ban on muslims from conflict areas can't be done, or whether simplifying the US tax code is a good idea.

    You think he's Alien vs. Predator? Call him Cthulhu for all we care.

    No one cares what you say.

    (*) True to a high degree of probability in the high-level elections, less so at the state and local level.

    1. Re:You're right by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      And yet you responded to my post, showing you cared *enough* about what I say, to say something about it.

      But if you'll re-read my comment, you'll note I didn't say who I was in support of (and if you read it carefully, I dissed the other side as well)
      It doesn't take a trained psychologist to understand the man is scary enough as a potential candidate, being *the* candidate is a nuclear option few of us would survive (this holds true for Clinton as well, mind you)

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  25. It's just twitter... by Alypius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Meh. It's not like the IRS is auditing them or anything.

    1. Re:It's just twitter... by meglon · · Score: 1

      Except they really didn't, unless you don't have the ability to actually read and understand that article. I get it though, some people like you only have time for that 5 second bumper sticker talking point, and not near enough time to actually engage your brain and use it to think.

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  26. Not a good sign by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    one big difference between Republicans and Democrats is that by and by, most Democrats tend to like their party. Most Republicans barely stomach their own party.

    In other words, Democrats by and large are delusional and Republicans by and large are realists.

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    1. Re:Not a good sign by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's a big problem with this analysis: the premise is shaky, so your conclusion is too.

      Go hang around some forums filled with progressives, such as Reddit, where they're arguing about Bernie vs. Hillary. The vitriol there is 10x worse than here (and for good reason: Hillary is a neocon warhawk in the pocket of Wall Street). The Bernie supporters *hate* the Democratic party, especially its leadership by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. The overall attitude is that the DNC will stop at nothing to push Bernie out and make sure Hillary gets the nomination.

      So no, I don't buy this idea that "most Democrats tend to like their party".

      As far as I can tell, most people on both sides hate their party.

    2. Re:Not a good sign by ultranova · · Score: 1

      In other words, Democrats by and large are delusional and Republicans by and large are realists.

      So Democrats support evil due to insanity while Republicans support evil deliberately? I'd had assigned Democrats as True Neutral and Republicans as Chaotic Evil, but either way I'm glad we can agree that Republicans are worse people :^)

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  27. Why single out Trump? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ad hominem attacks instead of reasoned debate are considered NORMAL on every internet forum now. So much so, that I'm sure someone on /. will just call me names instead of citing trustworthy sources to refute my argument. Apparently, on the 'net, arguments are won by the biggest dick, with the most spare time to repeatedly post insults... yeah, that does sound like Trump, doesn't it?

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    1. Re:Why single out Trump? by meglon · · Score: 1

      I still find it odd that only ~70 years after WWII that there are so many incredibly ignorant people in the world who have either never learned, or forgotten about, everything leading up to WWII, and can't see the similarities in what is happening right now. http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/...

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    2. Re:Why single out Trump? by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      You did single out Trump, and you provided no sources. So....

      Sounds like you think ad hominem attacks instead of reasoned debate is NORMAL.

      Sounds like you have no trusthworthy sources to refute his arguments.

      Sounds like you apparently think arguments are won by the biggest dick, and that the spare time you have to post insults makes you a winner.

      Pretty much, sounds like what you say about Trump fits yourself here perfectly. That's irony.

    3. Re:Why single out Trump? by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      When left-wingers say of someone "He's a fascist" or "He's like Hitler", they see themselves as simply making a neutral observation.

      When left-wingers hear someone say that they're a psychopath or they are evil, they consider that a highly subjective and biased attack on them.

    4. Re:Why single out Trump? by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Indeed - and despite of this, the Left still supported Obama. It's amazing that you can have an entire party that pathologically unaware and problematic.

    5. Re:Why single out Trump? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      For once an Anonymous Coward making a valid point! When did saying "You're a loser!" come to be considered a better debating rebuttal than "Could you please cite a source for your clams?" (And yes, I was inviting people to call me names just to be ironic.)

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  28. Timothy again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    timothy, the SJW poster, strikes again.

    Big suprise it is politically bigoted, and anti-free speech.

  29. Says the Anonymous Coward by tomhath · · Score: 1

    You're comments have no credibility when all you do is swear at someone from behind the cloak of anonymity.

    FWIW I completely agree with GP. This article has no place on slashdot. There are millions of blogs to read about Trump's tweets, Hillary's misstatements, etc., etc. You want to scream at people endlessly about the day's political stories? Go somewhere else.

  30. Is he a Narcissist? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That is a question very much open for debate.

    You seem to think his rhetoric is mindless but not all of it is.

    Or in the words of Alien vs. Predator "No matter who wins, we lose"

    At least with Trump we may be farmed for sport instead of wholly harvested on the spot for our valuable chest cavities.

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  31. I disagree by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While we're out here promoting our opinions on the subject of slashdot's Politics section, I'd like to throw my dissenting opinion into the ring.

    While you're certainly right that many stories under the Politics section indeed have little to nothing to do with news for nerds, oftentimes they still focus on stuff that matters. Many slashdotters come here not for the tech-focused stories [see also: rtfa], but to enjoy reasoned discussion with their nerdy brethren. See, for example, I cite a post I made the other day, about an admittedly controversial subject: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That subject is no better of a fit for the themes slashdot tends to focus on than is this Trump story, but check it out. That discussion went on for days while staying shockingly civil, levelheaded, objective (particularly the thread with Sun, for which I'm still working on a conciliatory reply). I don't know of many other forums for online discussion where this is even plausible, and that is the reason I encourage the new ownership to not abandon one of the few remaining outlets for such dialog.

    tl;dr: Politics on slashdot is awesome because it's still possible to have discussions rooted in reason. At least until the libertarians come out. (I kid, I kid... ... but seriously :P)

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    1. Re:I disagree by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the message. I do actually agree with you--over the years I have made many, many posts on all kinds of political articles on Slashdot. My objection isn't to political articles per se (though I do think the ratio could be shifted down a bit), but that this article in particular seemed totally vapid.

    2. Re:I disagree by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      On the one hand, I'll semi-agree with you that the article is totally vapid (without having even read it!), but on the other hand, that doesn't mean the discussion won't be valuable regardless. After all, articles on slashdot are really more useful to guide conversation to a particular topic than as actual content to be read. Here we are, talking about Trump's participation in the GOP's primary, all in good cheer. We don't need to talk about his tweets, we can talk about anything!

      I'll chip in my contribution: Scott Adams, of Dilbert fame, has written extensively about Trump's candidacy. As a student of persuasion science (hypnotism, etc.), Adams looks at Trump through a unique lens, and I've found his writings truly insightful.

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    3. Re:I disagree by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      Good example--the Adams link you just now posted would have been far preferable to the link in the article! Thanks for that.

  32. Trump learned from the best by Notorious+G · · Score: 2

    For days, Trump's followers replied to his posts with demeaning, often sexually charged insults aimed at Jacobus, including several with altered, vulgar photographs of her face.

    You mean like the left did to Katherine Harris, Monica Lewniski, and Linda Tripp?

    It is not just that Trump has a skill for zeroing in on an individual's soft spot and hammering at it. It is that he sets a tone of aggression against the person, and his supporters echo and amplify it

    You mean like how the Clinton's, the democrat party machine and the media targeting all the women Bill Clinton raped?

    Seems a little late to get your panties in a twist over these tactics.

  33. Trump's uneducated support by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or is this story about people dumb enough to read and react to what this guy says?

    Curiously, a lot of hay has been made about Trump's support from uneducated voters, largely from this poll, page 36, which puts percent of supporters with "college degree" at 46%.

    The press, of course, is quick to point out that 46% is less than half, so they proclaim far and wide that his supporters are "mostly uneducated".

    What the press doesn't note, however, is that 70 % of Americans don't have a degree.

    Trumps supporters are more educated than the population average.

    Feel free to call us dumb, it helps us change our vote to $your candidate!

    (Oh, hey! Want to go out behind the trailer and shoot at beer cans with my .22?)

    1. Re:Trump's uneducated support by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      Trump doesn't have supporters. People are voting Trump as a way of expressing their disdain for our seriously messed up federal government. He's the nuclear option. People want to send him to DC to watch the whole mess explode. If you're actually listening to what the Donald has to say, you're missing the whole point. Sit back and enjoy the spectacle.

    2. Re:Trump's uneducated support by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      How very convincingly phrased.

  34. Re:Trump Tactics Used Against Trump by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    And the goat liked it and voted for Trump.

  35. Ricketts family by Tailhook · · Score: 2

    Just amazing. Any other season and the "Ricketts family" are a bunch of filthy 1%'ers exploiting their privilege to steal us all blind. Now suddenly their sympathetic figures we must commiserate with against teh ebil Trump. Any other time a Republican political strategist such as Cheri Jacobus would be pilloried as the enabler of planet wreckers that should be in a gulag with the rest of the racist climate deniers that pay her. Today, however, she is a "victim", because Trump tweeted about her.

    Sue him. Give him another target to beat on and another couple points in the polls.

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  36. Are you on crack??? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The difference is that politicians in the past would stretch, spin, and skew the truth, but tried to stop short of outright breaking it.

    If you really, really believe that I feel extremely sorry for you.

    Trump does this less than most. His main deal is just that he's abrasive and doesn't shy away from "forbidden" topics which most professional politicians will not issue real statements about, just vague words than mean nothing.

    No other candidate does so poorly on this rating, but Trump simply doesn't care about truth at all.

    No, Trump simply doesn't care what you and others think. The difference is that in your own mind you are creating lies where really there is only your own burning hatred, that is consuming you.

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    1. Re:Are you on crack??? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Have you looked at Politifact's ratings of the statements made by politicians? Trump has the worst rating of anyone in the race now. He says the most lies and never cares enough to retract them. Often, he'll even double-down on the lie if told it's a lie. I'm not "creating lies", Trump is. He's being called on it by multiple people, but he just keeps going because he knows that enough of his supporters don't care what is a lie and what is fact. They lap up his statements, call for more, and he provides them.

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    2. Re:Are you on crack??? by EdZep · · Score: 2

      What gets me (slightly OT), is that Trump doesn't really respect those that support him. He says they would continue to support him even if he murdered someone. That is, his supporters are too stupid to judge Donald harshly, when harsh judgement is warranted.

  37. The rise of the thug candidate. by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I see with this election is the complete loss of civility. Nothing of substance is being said, it's simple mud slinging.
    Candidate X: "Mr. Trump, your idea is a bad one and here's why"
    Trump: "You're a dummy and your mother wished she'd aborted you with a coat hanger"
    Crowd: "*cheers*"
    Candidate X: "But what about your idea..."
    Trump: "Did I mention you're ugly too!"
    Candidate X: "I'm leaving... this is pointless"
    Trump: "Yup, there's goes a loser!"
    Crowd: "You're the best!!!"

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    1. Re:The rise of the thug candidate. by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Brilliant. And scary as hell.

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    2. Re:The rise of the thug candidate. by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      That's funny, you have literally fabricated inside your own head an alternate reality where people who take the initiative to liken Trump to Hitler or call him a racist simply don't exist. In this parallell pseduo-dimension folded up inside your mind Trump is surrounded by people asking him polite questions.

      You must be an engineer to be this good at creating stuff.

  38. Totally agree by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    To me this is like the end of Blazing Saddles where the large fight spills over into the studio cafeteria. Now there's nowhere to escape electioneering and the many minions pulling strings left and right.

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  39. Oh please by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    It's fairly simple to deal with this, just handle it the way you handle any insurgency.

    I find you non-mil people amusing sometimes, you don't get how everyone hates the Elitists.

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  40. Result by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Trump up 10 points in polls.

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  41. Need to start suing him - for major amounts by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    It's called Libel.

    Politicians are expected to lie. But that's half the reason why we want an outsider - we want someone that IS NOT a politician. That means we can sue them for lying.

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  42. Re:What a load crap by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    I'm with you. Now I know why pipedot.org formed. Too bad it's not as big yet.

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  43. Re:Trump Tactics Used Against Trump by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    Trump awarded PETA humanitarian of the year award.

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  44. Uppity folk by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "They better be careful," Trump wrote of the family, "they have a lot to hide!"

    It is wrong for him to do investigations of political opponents, and could be used to get the case thrown out.

    It was wrong for the IRS to be misused in this way under Obama.

    It was wrong for the IRS to be misused this way under Nixon.

    It was wrong, when S&P downgraded the US's bond rating, for Obama to announce a redoubled effort investigating them to see if there was anything they could tag them with as punishment.

    This is the purpose of warrant requirements, and the banning of general warrants, so those in power could not go fishing around for something illegal to tag uppity oppoonenta with.

    Boo Trump.

    Boo Obama.

    Boo Nixon.

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    1. Re:Uppity folk by Boronx · · Score: 1

      "It was wrong for the IRS to be misused in this way under Obama."

      Has Obama been tied to any problems at the IRS? Is there anything close to Nixon ordering the IRS to go after his opponents?

      You're missing another big one, which is Bush trying to push US attorneys to prosecute fake voter fraud cases in order to gin up support for voter ID laws.

      "It was wrong, when S&P downgraded the US's bond rating ... "

      It was wrong for the S&P to downgrade the bonds. Is there any evidence that Obama ordered a retaliation because of this?

  45. No, I see all sides equally by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I'm a libertarian but have voted for candidates of all parties,

    I stand looking in both goldfish tanks from the outside. Whenever one of you claims the slime in one tank is better than the other, I call you out.

    It's quite telling you assumed I was a Republican simply because I said something you didn't like - how much more insular can you get? There are only people who agree with you and The Other.

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  46. hmmm by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    So when a social justice warrior does it, this is fine, but politics - notoriously the province of rough personal behavior, this is just terrible? I'm sensing a real double standard here.

  47. Re:What a load crap by gnaarly · · Score: 1

    Ah, the good old "Group X is bad" -> "So you say everyone who disagrees with you is bad" sociopathic technique. I see you are well versed in its use.

  48. Trump will press the big red button by wasteoid · · Score: 1

    If Trump somehow managed to become president, I would worry about his brash nature flippantly deciding to launch WW3.

  49. Re:Cyberbullying by gnaarly · · Score: 1

    Like Obama, who has given the pseudo-fascist Turkish president Erdogan a backrub and a foot massage?

  50. Trump is a textbook example of a "demagogue" by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Simply put, Trump is a "demagogue", as were Hitler and Stalin, that doesn't mean he is inherently evil, it means he is using the same psychological tools to gain power. He has already divided and conquered the GOP with an old fashioned xenophobic wedge, it will take them decades to recover their solidarity. Right now the rest of the planet are just crossing their fingers hoping the American people will stop humouring this wannabe tyrant BEFORE he gets to the whitehouse and starts pushing buttons just to see what happens.

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    1. Re:Trump is a textbook example of a "demagogue" by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Simply put, Trump is a "demagogue", as were Hitler and Stalin, that doesn't mean he is inherently evil

      No-one is inherently evil - if we were to believe the Bible, not even Satan himself was/is inherently evil. Evil is in what you do - in my opinion, when you at some point decide to take a course of action that you know is wrong. I think what we should ask ourselves, before we trust a significant chunk of power into the hands of anybody is not "Is this guy good/evil?", but how likely are they to keep choosing the course of action that they genuinely believe is the best for the nation as a whole? With a guy like Trump, I think the answer is pretty obvious: he has already for a long time demonstrated his commitment to his own, narrow self-interest - I don't get the impression that the question of selflessly caring for the wider interests of the people ever enters his mind. Right now, based on these criteria, I think the best candidate is Bernie Sanders - I may well be wrong, of course, but even the very fact that he calls himself a "socialist" suggests that he quite likely care about the people.

  51. Re:Trump is the classic playground bully... by gnaarly · · Score: 1

    "Such a fascist, racist guy... just like Hitler... and he's a bully!"

  52. Clinton is more duplicitous by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Clinton has been for then against ant then for anything she talks about, to a vastly greater extent than any other candidate of any party.

    Her points are equally vague if you examine them at all. Look at what happened when in an interview she was asked the simple question "Would you lie to the American people", she hemmed and hawed and would not say yes or no. That is Clinton to the core, never giving a real answer when an implication will do.

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  53. Waiting for GOP rename to TRUMP by Imazalil · · Score: 1

    I kinda hope Trumps wins the republican nomination, if only for the fact that he would instantly rename everything to TRUMP and change the party color to gold or purple.

  54. Re:can't stump the Trump by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    It takes a special AC level of stupidity to confuse European governments with soviet style governments.

  55. Trump isn't clever by OpinOnion · · Score: 1

    He is just loud, self funded and he is not a career politician and this year that's all it takes to excite people. When it comes to his twitter put downs, they aren't in any way masterful or really even all that useful, they just ensure that his name constantly gets bumped from his tweets and then of course the media coverage on this tweets. Trumps use of the already established GOP key issues and the fact that he is not one of them is his winning combination, being self funded clearly helps/allows such a rather risky strategy, which does not seem likely to pay off in the general election since we have most of the top conservative money donors opposing Trump. If Trump does win those rich GOP string pullers are going to keep attacking him like they did Obama and much of GOP congress will obstruct him when told to by their sponsors. The question is what happens after the first 2 years of Trump and GOP/Dem obstruction. Well, if I know my American's, they will want to blame Trump, but I don't think it would be hard for Trump to actively deflect the blame to congress because of the long term obstruction strategy. Trump is a direct result of the GOP obstruction policy against Obama and for that matter all liberals. Refusing to play ball is not a valid political strategy than anyone can market for very long and the GOP did it too long. Now 50% of their base hate them so much they've abandoned any real concern for the core conservative issues of abortion, gun control. Trump was pro-choice and pro assault weapon ban back in 2000, so right before 2001 Donald was a liberal. Sometimes around 2011 he re-invents himself as a republican. He is using the hate to legitimize himself as a conservatve because he has to in order to get his foot in the door, it's a sacrifice play of sorta. In all reality he wants as much of the hispanic vote as he can get, but he needs to defend himself from the obvious line of attack... Donald is not a real conservative. If he wants he can even come clean in the general election and admit that he just said that to win the primary because it was cheaper/easier than going Independent right from the start. If the GOP tries to block him at the delegates he can go Independent and claim to basically be running against the entire government. In those scenarios he might do even better against Hilary. If the GOP attacks Trump for the entire rest of the primary it's going to hurt him more than it helps. Being the outsider is great, but long term spending on hate ads is almost always effective and it leaves Trump with nobody to attack back because it's not even a candidate that is going after him. I'm not sure they can stop Trump, but every conservative state is going to try and along with millions in attack against from the conservative party Trump will come out with to face Hilary with a lot more secrets exposed and then face the DNCs attack line. Trump is a better speaker and attack artist than Hilary, but Trump has never been attacked like he be over the remainder of the primary and general election. Being rich all his life will have helped very much to keep his secrets secret, but some will play out badly for him in the media. Oddly enough the GOP and the DNC will have similar attack ads this year. For Democrats it's mostly a win win situation. Trump is far left of anyone we've seen come close to winning as the GOP candidate since Reagan or perhaps even before and that's great for overall reform of the US because the GOP is clearly the party that needs the most reform and it's where the dumbest and most racist BS almost seems to originate. Trump can't push through legislation if he wins, but he has already created the most serious debate about reforming the GOP since Goldwater. Even if Trump attacks Congress with his all it's unlikely he'd see anything resembling a Trump friendly congress withing 6 years, that's just how voting works in the US. It is not possible to thoroughly sweep congress in just one election and voters almost always give up when they don't get what they want in the first two years. I d

  56. Re:Trump Tactics Used Against Trump by mattventura · · Score: 1

    Bad analogy. With hair like that, not even goats would want to fuck Trump.

  57. Accusations are entirely unfounded by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    On a cable television show, she criticized Donald J. Trump for skipping a debate in Iowa in late January and described him as a "bad debater."

    That's completely untrue. I saw and listened to him, and felt that he proved himself as a master in this area.

  58. SNOW CRASH: Rise Of The Antenna-Heads! by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    It is all as foretold in the gospel of Neal Stephenson, 1992: Snow Crash:

    When Hiro pulls, what's left of the guy's head twists around, but the antenna doesn't come loose. And that's how Hiro figures out that this isn't a headset at all. The antenna has been permanently grafted onto the base of the man's skull. Hiro switches his goggles into millimeter-wave radar and stares into the man's ruined head. The antenna is attached to the skull by means of short screws that go into the bone, but do not pierce all the way through. The base of the antenna contains a few microchips, whose purpose Hiro cannot divine by looking at them. But nowadays you can put a supercomputer on a single chip, so anytime you see more than one chip together in one place, you're looking at significant warez. A single hair-thin wire emerges from the base of the antenna and penetrates the skull. It passes straight through to the brainstem and then branches and rebranches into a network of invisibly tiny wires embedded in the brain tissue. Coiled around the base of the tree. Which explains why this guy continues to pump out a steady stream of Raft babble even when his brain is missing: It looks like L. Bob Rife has figured out a way to make electrical contact with the part of the brain where Asherah lives. These words aren't originating here. It's a pentecostal radio broadcast coming through on his antenna.

    Stephenson quaintly describes a small computer wired into the brain with a Motorola phone rubber ducky to communicate with the hive mind. When this was written In 1992 the human race had yet to enter the Information age. CompuServe and AOL were not even connected to Internet. It was generally believed that unless specialized hardware was used it would be impossible to subvert our natural desire to think and act independently, attentive to the world around us. How could Stephenson have known?

    Computers and networks did exist in 1992 but people still considered 'computer time' to be an activity separate from life itself. Computing was a visceral act. Turning on a computing lamp, we approached the computer --- it never approached us. We'd pick it up, feeling its familiar weight and thumping its spine and crack it open, slowly leafing through pages of compute. More ardent computerers preferred the 'scroll', where the words moved up or down... but always in whole-line jumps, not the jarring and unnerving smooth scrolling of today. But the Tumblr was years in the future. Those ancient scrolls had a beginning and an end and you could clearly see them and operate the cranks. And when you reached the end you went straight to bed. The phones of 1992 were smarter than some people but stupider than most. They did not get along with computers very well, not without hoots and whistles and occasional cursing. Even then computers were smarter than most people but few felt threatened by this, and those who did could easily walk away. There was no need to run, and the computer did not follow them.

    What also happened during this time on phones is now only spoken of in a whisper, SMS messaging. SMS left permanent scars on the virtual landscape, whole burnt-out cities of wasted business potential and personal financial ruin. It is impossible to assess the damage. It was and still remains a financial success for communications providers, because people take what's given to them and ask for more. It fostered a ruthless and heartless corporate culture, and utterly destroyed the perception of communications providers that had built slowly over time --- even cherished --- that of the Friendly Postman. Now all communications companies are ruthless fucks, and it cannot be undone... because we remember what those marauding orcs did to us in the early days of cell and SMS messaging. They shattered the taboo that the receiver should never pay, even as they reduced "music on hold" to Tortured Screams of Hell, and dulled the senses with a laughable parody of email. Like a cuddly teddy bea

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  59. Re:Shameful and embarrassment by Boronx · · Score: 1

    That yell didn't sound so bad in context. The destruction of Dean was just amazing to watch. It was High School level stupidity, and it worked beautifully.

  60. I Double Disagree, But Not Really by kackle · · Score: 2

    First of all, folks, "Twitter" is in the headline, so it does enjoy some STEMy goodness.

    Secondly, I've always thought it was obvious that "...stuff that matters" meant a tongue-in-cheek "Nerdy news is stuff that matters to us, even though it is not interesting to the vast majority of people." Whereas stating "...stuff that matters" in the general sense is such an empty statement, it's not even worth saying. (It was never "News for nerds AND stuff that matters".)

    Thirdly, I agree that what draws me here is the mental kinship - I like seeing what the more thoughtful posters have to say. However, my logical brain does not appreciate the blurring of those topical lines, and knows it only a matter of time before those with a political rant, etc., know that Slashdot has the most eyeballs to troll. So my knee-jerk thought was to break /. into two differently (though similarly) named sites, akin to the successful Stack Exchange website. (Admittedly, I haven't given this much thought beyond this post...)

  61. How Obama Uses by TheGAGLine · · Score: 1

    How Obama uses: Drones to kill The NSA to spy on Americans The IRS to intimidate The Dept of Justice to intimidate and incarcerate Executive Orders to circumvent the Constitution Executive Privilege to obfuscate and hide Etc

  62. You want to know what kind of president he'll be? by doccus · · Score: 2

    Well, the old saying applies here... just look at their fruit. Meaning, of course forget about what he says and instead look at his actions. Those are a better indicator of how he'll behave as president. And to me, they're a pretty damning indictment of thoughtless and harsh actions. On one level, of course it doesn't matter who becomes president as the actions continue unchanged.. but internationally, it DOES matter.. and , given Don's penchant for sticking his polished patent leather shoes right uo his mouth, along with his classic rudeness, he could easily set off world war 3 (and 4, and 5, and ...). And certainly his approach to domestic crises could make matters insoluble with one word.
    He may talk a good game, and that is what you need in his line of "work", but it is actions you have to look at, and his actions betray him.

  63. IRS Fraud, Guess who will be charged by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    The wealthy person with the big toy airplane and the bullying insulting demeanor will be on his knees asking the IRS for time to steal the money from the investors to pay off the IRS debt, so that this wealthy person can keep his gravy train.
    Which wealthy person am I describing.

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  64. Re:Tea Party = dead by toddestan · · Score: 1

    The Tea Party was pretty active back in 2008 too. They were the ones all fired up about Sarah Palin.

    The thing with them is that while they called themselves a "Party", they were always and are just Republicans. They never split off and become an actual political Party, nor did the actual Republicans (the "Establishment") kick them out. So rather, the Republicans embraced the Tea Party's ignorance and crazy, and Donald Trump (and to a lessor extent Ted Cruz and Ben Carson) are just the chickens coming home to roost.

    Admittedly, it's a bit fun watching the Republican party tear itself to pieces, though the scary part about is that we'll probably end up with Hillary Clinton in the White House because of this.

  65. Trump violates the Twitter TOS by anti-disney · · Score: 1

    Like anyone else who uses the Twitter Platform to harass or belittle someone else which is a violation of their terms of service, Twitter should suspend or terminate Trump's account. Is it fair that Trump repeatedly violates these terms of service when others have unintentionally violated terms of service and had their twitter accounts suspended or removed? Twitter should enforce their terms of service regardless of who the account holder is.

  66. So basically - by choke · · Score: 1

    She said something unflattering about him, he said something unflattering about her but when he says it, it sticks so she's crying about that.

    I once saw a kid taunting a lion in the zoo. When the lion finally got annoyed and roared, he pissed his pants. The difference is, that kid didn't complain about the lion. He was stupid, just not that stupid.

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    "No good deed goes unpunished"
  67. Trump criticized for using twitter aggressively by thesquire · · Score: 1

    Ah, the hypocrisy. One of the things that appeals to many people about Trump is his refusal to play "the game" of nicey-nicey. He says what he thinks and he hits hard. Isn't that what the twits of Twitter do? They try to flame the people they target into cinders: no sophistication, no nuances, no excuses, no concern for feelings, no appreciation or care about the complexity of the situation. Who cares - just GET the other guy! Trumps behavior mightily offends liberals. To them he is evil incarnate. But wait - don't liberals do the same to those who disagree with them? Merely to doubt the gospel of human-caused global warming is to open yourself to accusations of being in league with the devil. Merely to question the motives and honesty of feminists and their advocation of anti-male policies casts one into the very pit of hell. Merely to say the above means I will be accused by liberals of loving Trump and approving EVERYTHING he says or does. Nothing would be farther from the truth. But when did the truth ever matter?