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Anonymous Declare 'Total War' On Donald Trump, Threaten To 'Dismantle His Campaign' (businessinsider.com)
An anonymous reader writes from Business Insider's article: Hackers affiliated with the Anonymous hacktivist collective have vowed to relaunch cyber-operations against US presidential candidate Donald Trump [on April Fools' Day]. They threaten to "dismantle his campaign" by taking his election websites offline in a large-scale and orchestrated distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack. In December 2015, Anonymous officially "declared war" on Trump after a radical speech in which he said Muslims should be banned from entering the United States. The operation at the time resulted in a number of websites being targeted by hackers, but failed to have lasting impact. A new video statement has been posted to YouTube which claims the "loyalists and veterans" of Anonymous have decided to ramp up cyber-operations against Trump -- dubbed #OpTrump -- on a far larger scale than ever before. "Dear Donald Trump, we have been watching you for a long time and what we see is deeply disturbing. Your inconsistent and hateful campaign has not only shocked the United States of America [but] you have shocked the entire planet with your appalling actions and ideas. You say what your audience wants to hear but in reality you don't stand for anything except for your personal greed and power."
The websites targeted in the attack (so far) include trump.com, donaldjtrump.com, and trumphotelcollection.com. In addition, the hacktivists are also planning to release some of Donald Trump's personal information including a SSN, phone number, and contact information of his agent and legal representative.
The websites targeted in the attack (so far) include trump.com, donaldjtrump.com, and trumphotelcollection.com. In addition, the hacktivists are also planning to release some of Donald Trump's personal information including a SSN, phone number, and contact information of his agent and legal representative.
EVERYTIME some group has "declared war", insulted, demeaned, became "outraged", etc. about Trump or supporters, his popularity and support grew.
The actions of this immature group of mother's basement dwelling mouth breathers will only cement their reputations as such and make more Trump supporters.
Just from a rational point of view, shutting down political speech is never a good thing, no matter what that speech is. Because if they can do it to one candidate, it can be done to others.
I think Anonymous is largely irrelevant and powerless these days and its members know it.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Vote.
Taking down servers, defacing websites... all petty vandalism. Vote on election day; the one day when your voice is heard and counts.
Given the choice, I always opt rump. I fully support anonymous on this.
Do they know anything about democracy? Let the people not choose Trump as President and that's all. Left the democracy alone and get a life anonymous kids.
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>> taking his election websites offline
Were they wearing brown shirts when they "declared war" on a candidate exercising his right to free speech? Have they forgotten why free speech is a good thing in the first place or are we just going straight to "thought police" mode?
>> contact information of his agent and legal representative
Um...isn't this information public anyway? What's an "agent" or a "representative" worth if they can't be contacted?
As much as I despise DT himself, do they not understand the impact of their self-righteous vigilantism?
If they'd just *quietly* attacked him, slowly DDOS'ing his sites and businesses, it could have been months before the news got out, all the while doing damage to the campaign.
But the "look how awesome we are fighting evil" grandstanding is going to resonate in PRECISELY the opposite way with the bulk of US voters who will - I guarantee you - sympathize with him against a 'shadowy internet mafia'.
The only way they're going to HURT him now is if you're able to hack the voting machines; thankfully Diebold almost certainly installed backdoors for (the Republicans/the Democrats/the Russians/the Illuminati/whatever cabal you prefer to fear) so maybe that's still possible.
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Obama orders ten times the number of air strikes as Bush, and nothing, killing thousands of Muslims (many of whom were non-combatants) and nothing . But Trump bloviates about banning Muslims and Anonymous loses their heads...
No, I'm not a Trump supporter. Yes, I support offering refuge to Syrian refugees.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Establishment Republicans
Yet more deserving people get left alone aka Hillary and Obama
Hackers affiliated with Anonymous threaten to "dismantle [Trump's] campaign" by taking his election websites offline in a large-scale and orchestrated distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack.
Trump isn't running a web-based campaign.
But he is damn good at demonizing his enemies and making then look like fools when they try to take him down.
Trump says something they don't like and they whine and try to bully him into silence any way they can.
Just like crybully SJWs
So I'm not planning on voting for Trump, does that mean I have the right to dismantle his campaign, shout him down where ever he speaks and threaten to kill him like some have on social media? Nope. For all those ignorant asshats out there attempting to compare Trump to Adolph Hitler, or even a neofascist of any sort, go read a history book. While Trump may not make for the best president, we have a system in this nation for selecting our leaders and it has worked pretty damn well over the past 240 years. We've even survived bad presidents because there is a system of checks and balances. You have no right to take away someone else's right to vote for a candidate, hear a candidate speak or their right to run a campaign.
The group that is thought to have killed ORCA (Karl Rove's magic Republican Party database ploy to ficitiously win Ohio) was Anonymous. Their calibre of work is far, far beyond what this announcement promises. I suspect this is a False Flag operation aimed at boosting Trump "victimization" rhetoric while lumping in Anymous with supposed Mexican rapists and Trump's other favourite targets.
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
Has to be a media stunt. Funny they oppose the Illuminati yet they attack said anti establishment candidate. Sad part is for the US there are only two options left, collapse within a Ponzi scheme or relive one of the bloodiest wars in it's history, political theatrics isn't going to fix that.
Standard disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. I think his statements are way too off the wall to be taken seriously, although I do like that he was the first to come out critical of H1Bs, but offhand it's the only thing I would say I've liked and can take seriously (or as serious as you can take anything he might say).
That being said, the groupthink paranoia about him is reaching amazing heights. I *still* put the odds of him winning the Republican primary at less than 50-50 and think his negative numbers are way too high to defeat Clinton or possibly even Sanders.
But geeze, the hostility towards him even presenting his message is pretty remarkable. I'd say it's more vitriolic than even the most conservative voices during Obama's election, especially with all the desire to "shut him down" and silence him.
I say let the guy run -- for office, and his mouth -- and let him participate in the marketplace of ideas, and if his ideas are truly unappealing to the majority of voters then his candidacy will fail. No need for street fighting or banana republic election tactics to "stop" his candidacy. And I also think anyone supporting that kind of mindset better be prepared to be on the receiving end of it WITHOUT COMPLAINING.
The funny thing about all the hostility towards him is that even when a serious, liberal newspaper profiles some of his supporters, they aren't just 70 year old white men from the countryside. The NY Times today even acknowledged his campaign staff in Tampa is fairly diverse, which is all part of the weird mystery of Trump and perhaps some genuine truth that there's something rotten about the conventional truths that people just aren't buying anymore.
The only person who stands to benefit from this is Ted Cruz. Marco Rubio is already pretty much out of the race, Kasich is irrelevant. Taking down the Trump campaign at this stage won't benefit the democrats, either as they can easily defeat him in the general election. If the Trump campaign is somehow completely destroyed between now and the GOP convention the only person who would stand to win is Cruz, who also has consistently posted far better general polling numbers than Rubio or Trump against either Sanders or Clinton.
Furthermore, what is the benefit of destroying Trump right now when the GOP nomination contest is still officially undecided? It would make more sense to try to derail him later when it is down to the general election. If there is anything Drumpf hates above all else it is losing.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
How many Social Security Numbers does he have?
When will you knuckle heads stop playing with your dicks and wake up to how Trump operates? Conflict makes him stronger, and giving him yet another bogeyman to talk about just empowers him and expands his audience.
I bet he paints anonymous as a threat to democracy and all the patriots will go "Booyah!" in support.
Election... Is this war ?
5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette & 6 out of 7 Dwarfs are not Happy
Politics and humanity's future aside, this election is turning out to be THE most exciting one of my life-time.
In terms of entertainment value, I never thought they'd top Palin. I was flat wrong. She was just the warm-up act.
And it's not just Trump. Sanders adds a different spin, kind of like the grumpy Lorax who only comes out of the wood-work when things get too screwy, shaking his finger: "BEWARE!"
Dr. Seuss couldn't script a zanier election. (He'd run out of ink for Trump's hair anyhow.)
Outsourcing, offshoring, automation, inequality, leaky borders, and a confused mid-east together seem to be making a lot of people very nervous, giving non-traditional candidates attention they otherwise wouldn't get. The world is changing and the old ways of viewing things politically don't seem to apply anymore. The electorate is ready to experiment.
Table-ized A.I.
because no matter who gets elected the power behind the throne will still be in place, the global banking cartel & military industrial complex will still be telling the government what to do, and if they dont play ball guess what happens, yup, it happened to Abe Lincoln, & JFK, and RFK, they find some patsy to take the fall for an organized hit, the big money has been ruling this planet for hundreds of years and no election by a bunch of filthy peasants is going to change that
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
But they're not going after ALL of Trump's websites!
No mention of going after cnn.com, msnbc.com, or any of the network news sites.
Anonymous has just painted *itself* as a threat to democracy. Trump will consider it an endorsement.
You say what your audience wants to hear but in reality you don't stand for anything except for your personal greed and power.
That particular criticism is always used against every politician.
It's so common, that I simply call it "The Standard Universal Political Criticism" (TSUPC).
Go ahead and apply it to any politician that you don't like, and you'll see that it works beautifully. Don't like Hillary? Then you'll get a very satisfying sense of illumination out of the fact that she tells audiences what they want to hear, but she doesn't stand for anything except personal greed and power. See? It works like a charm!
Many people use TSUPC as the standing criticism against all members of the political class.
It's easy to use, because it's impossible to distinguish "greed and lust for power" versus "selfless ambition to serve the public". One sounds bad, and the other sounds good, but there is no possible mechanism that can tell which one actually applies to a given politician. That's because it pertains only to a politician's motivations, and is therefore impossible to prove.
TSUPC is the ultimate laziness in political criticism -- it's no more illuminating than simple name-calling. TSUPC is basically the sophisticated, adult way of expressing what kids do on the playground when they call each other a "boogerhead". Deep down, the kids know their name-calling is logically meaningless, and that it only serves a social role. But the adults fool themselves into believing that their incantation of TSUC is actually biting, trenchant analysis.
To repeat a comment of mine in that submission:
There's vigilanteism, and then there's disrupting an election. People attempting to silence political opinions that they disagree with are a far greater threat to civilization than Trump is.
I really don't want to take Trump's side on anything but in this case there is no contest.
Of course, the Trump phenomenon goes away on its own as soon as the Republican Party puts up a candidate worth voting for. The problem is they've never done that before and they don't know where to start.
If Hilary doesn't count as a psychopath, then what the hell is she? Well, I mean, beyond somebody who if we lived in a just world would be in prison right now.
Apparently, Anonymous has never heard of the Streisand effect.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
This country went to Hell when they stopped giving all day off for elections and got rid of the free beer.
If it was good enough for George Washington, it's good enough for me. Excuse me, I have to go to the outhouse...
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Trump's being attacked by the 72 virgins.
Would you believe that half of Washington is composed of psychopaths? I don't think that's much of a stretch.
really??? half the people in congress run their own mail servers (directly against policy) and wipe their own server before handing anything over??? Id like to see that list of people so we can go after them as well
This seems like another attempt at spreading anti-Trump propaganda. It's really no different than CNN giving that obnoxious Ohio protester his own interview yesterday. I didn't watch it but there was no avoiding seeing that neanderthal's face on all of the screens at the airport. I wonder if we'll ever get to a point where media isn't primarily a tool to brainwash people.
I feel the best way to destroy the Trump campaign is to keep letting people hear him.
We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
I'm voting for Barbara Streisand.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
You've had 20+ years of searching to find anything on her, and you still can only wave your hands and say the word "prison" without even an accusation. Derpyderpderp!
That's placing an awful lot of faith in the ability of the average American to think logically and rationally for themselves.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
To a certain extent I was a fan of some of Anonymous' shenanigans, but this isn't right. I am by no means a fan of Donald Trump, and the electoral system is far from perfect, but to have a third party with foreign membership fucking with our elections is a direct attack on our democratic ideals (flawed though they may be).
Anonymous - please fuck off. You aren't the Robin Hoods of the Internet any more.
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Vote for Bernie in 2016!
You can reason with - perhaps even change - an "openly fascist candidate". However, we have openly fascist politicians in power right now (including the President) or in the recent past, looking to gain more (Mrs. Clinton); that's a much bigger threat IMHO.
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When asked if the government should maintain a database of Muslims entering the country, the right answer is "no, that's ridiculous ". Trump's answer was "we should do a lot of things, it's all about management."
My response: I want a database of everybody entering the country. Leaving too.
"Trump declines to confirm that the govt should not ask refugees and immigrants about their religion".
You know, I think this is something that I'd have to think about before answering. Maybe Trump is the same? Should the government be prohibited in gathering basic census type information from those coming into our country, if only so that it can be charted? Should we start removing race/sex questions from all federal paperwork? The issue becomes more complex the more I think about it.
Note that this is a separate issue from actually discriminating against them.
I don't read AC A human right
It's not actually working though. He could sacrifice a goat on stage while wearing a black robe and he'd still be supported; the evangelicals backing him would claim that they dislike his satanist religious views but are glad to find someone who's willing to say what he thinks. (meanwhile Hillary is crying that she says what she thinks too but keeps getting blamed for her gaffes)
He thought the tax returns would be important.
Knocking websites off is pretty pathetic and childish (and really, not all that hard unless they're backed by places like Akamai), however, that isn't the part I'm interested in.
When they DDOS somebody, there's a decent chance that someone will panic and make a mistake with security, or Anon will find a mistake that someone had already made with their security, and use that to vacuum their data. There's a decent chance that they will find something juicy.
That being said, unless they find something actionably criminal, none of it will matter. As others have said, these Trump supports have wrapped themselves in a reality distortion field that puts Apple to shame, and nothing will dissuade them short of Trump assassinating their children right in front of them. (And even then, only maybe).
There are any number of Muslim countries where saying the sort of things Donald Trump has said would get you locked up in some dark hole or worse. Why aren't these countries also saying "we will not allow people who say these things to enter our country" and banning not just Trump but anyone else who has said these anti-Muslim things from entering the country at all.
Anyone can claim to be part of Anonymous, ranging from script kiddies to people who can actually have some impact. I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility that Anonymous could have a significant impact on the Presidential election. That said, I agree with your sentiment. For all the faults of the United States, we have always peacefully elected and inaugurated our President. I'd like to think we're capable of getting the right candidate (not Trump) elected using the First Amendment freedoms. It would be a terrible precedent for the use of force to significantly influence the Presidential election. Because we classify cyberwarfare as a form of warfare, I think we can also consider what Anonymous is threatening to be the use of force. As much as I despise Trump, we need to let the democratic process play out. We've elected some truly awful Presidents in the past, like Fillmore, Pierce, and Buchanan, I'd like to think we learned our lesson from that era about the use of force. I think Trump would be every bit as awful, but I also think Congress wouldn't let him do most of what he wants, and there'd be plenty of bipartisan support against him. Honestly, Trump might unintentionally do what Obama and Bush weren't able to do -- unite Congress to get work done.
My favourite trump moments:
- Announcing that not only will he build a wall along the border, but he'll make Mexico pay for it.
- -Suggesting doing so by seizing assets from Mexican companies in the US.
-- Suggesting doing so by declaring war upon Mexico and just invading.
- Performing a mocking caricature of a reporter's disability.
-- Outright denying he ever did any such thing, even though it was caught on video, recorded, broadcast on national TV and uploaded to youtube.
- Proposing that all Muslims should be forbidden from entering the country, regardless of citizenship, with the sole exception of those serving in the military.
Trump is our only hope to stop Ted Cruz.
Trump just likes to shoot off his mouth. Cruz really is evil.
For god's sake, don't stop Trump-- stop Cruz.
As of right now, Clinton is well ahead of Trump in head to head polls.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Good to hear. Maybe there is hope for America yet.
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Yep. Core tenets of fascism: Nationalism, Totalitarianism, One-party state, Personality cult, Dictatorship, Militarism, Direct action, Mixed economy, Class collaboration, Third Position, New Man, Imperialism, Social order. Most of those apply to President Obama and Mrs. Clinton.
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Oh man, I would NOT want to be Trump's webservers right now...
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They're always declaring war on something... and that war tends to boil down to them trolling on social media or maybe "hacking" some very very very easy to hack something or other. Like... a voice mail system that has a default password. Such amazing hacking...
Anon broke apart shortly after it was created. The people that cite themselves as Anon are mostly script kiddies and posers at this point.
So a bunch of script kiddies and posers just declared "war" on a guy currently getting Secret Service protection.
This should be good.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
It's not that I have a problem with Anonymous threatening some quite dislikable individuals.
But it's just their threats to person or organization X are starting to sound like North Korea's weekly threat to nuke New York/Washington/Wherever.
And they sound about as credible.
If I were American I would vote for Sanders. However, if the choice was between Trump and H. Clinton it would be a close call, I'm not sure which of those I dislike the most. My guess is that Trump is a little less a warmonger than Clinton.
Actually, I'm reminded of a recent incident in which I believe I was censored by Bernie's fanatics for saying that Hillary wasn't such a bad option compared to Trump and his associates.
I would agree with you. As far as the candidates go, Hillary is a pretty benign establishment Republican.
I'd be inclined to agree with you if I felt I could trust anything that comes out of Trump's mouth.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
It's working on some people, the rest loath him. Is it working on enough people to get elected? That's doubtful.
We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
Most of them? Which ones, exactly? *Maybe* personality cult. Other than that, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Obama and Clinton are many things, some good, some bad, but Fascist? You're nuts.
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
Except that with Clinton, you pretty much know what you're getting: more of the same. With Trump... there's no telling what he might do. He *might* make some interesting changes. He also *might* invade Mexico. Better off with Clinton. Things could be much worse, and with Trump, there's a risk they will be.
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
Radical left? In the US? Where? Everywhere else, even Bernie Sanders wouod be called a center to moderate right-wing candidate. The US has lost its perspective because mostly they can only choose between extremely right-wing (Democrats) and fundamentalist right wing (Republican). Trump is - for a Republican - fairly moderated, compared to say a religious fundamentalist like Cruz.
"Because we classify cyberwarfare as a form of warfare"
You mean the US has already declared war on the rest of the world with the NSA's actions?
But annexing Mexico solves so many problems. Suddenly they aren't illegal immigrants and we don't have to build a giant wall.
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Anon - now with slashdot duping capabilities.
Reagan?
Eisenhower?
Grant?
Lincoln?
See that "Preview" button?
Among other things, "other people" are not running for President of the United States of America.
With Hillary, yeah, you could say "so what if she's corrupt as shit and lies through her teeth? Don't all politicians do that?" And I think most politicians today are at least somewhat like that, but I feel that she's worse than average, at least worse than average among Democrats. But still, if nobody better were running, sure, she might be the least of all evils and many people would overlook that, well, cause she's a Democrat with a capital D (it worked for Bill). And she's a Woman, too, and don't we all want to elect the first female president, regardless of who she is?
But actually, all of her scandals and the awkward things she says (to put it very politely, I really mean the incessant stream of bald-faced lies) are sort of never-ending, with another scandal or mis-statement right around the corner seemingly daily, and are signs of a much deeper problem. And that problem is the whole reason why so many people are so thoroughly disgusted with politics and the entire American political system in the first place. Therefore, since they're trying to change that oligarchic, plutocratic, corporatistic, corrupt, war-oriented system of power and money that's taken away our democracy and ignored the voters (aside from lying to them to try to get votes), and since she's the shining example of everything that is wrong with that system, why would they want to vote for her? Why would they refrain from calling out her corruption and lies every time they see them?
You forgot the part about policies regarding classified information... the laws regarding which she is being investigated for
Oops!
Sorry to destroy your narrative.
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You run the risk of making him into the underdog martyr, and people saying "Hey, they're not treating that Trump guy fairly!"
This is going to backfire. Trump is only going to get more popular because of Anonymous.
How much free advertising can this guy generate?
God: "I don't leave footprints!"
Except that with Clinton, you pretty much know what you're getting: more of the same. With Trump... there's no telling what he might do. He *might* make some interesting changes. He also *might* invade Mexico. Better off with Clinton. Things could be much worse, and with Trump, there's a risk they will be.
I understand he's paying the legal fees of the brownshirts who attack protesters.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I dislike Trump and fervently hope he is not going to be elected as president of the USA, but this is not one of the times I agree with what Anonymous do. I'm no fan of political vandalism.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
So if you're not a foaming-at-the-mouth Marxist then you're one of those fundament-- er-- despicable sub-human right wingers?
Also, since when should the US care about how the rest of the world runs their countries?
Because all of his documents are on scrolls of tree bark.
Fascist economics supported a state-controlled economy that accepted a mix of private and public ownership over the means of production.[176] Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector, and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state.[177] Fascist economic ideology supported the profit motive, but emphasized that industries must uphold the national interest as superior to private profit.[177]
While fascism accepted the importance of material wealth and power, it condemned materialism, which it identified as being present in both communism and capitalism, and criticized materialism for lacking acknowledgement of the role of the spirit.[178] In particular, fascists criticized capitalism not because of its competitive nature nor support of private property, which fascists supported—but due to its materialism, individualism, alleged bourgeois decadence, and alleged indifference to the nation.[179] Fascism denounced Marxism for its advocacy of materialist internationalist class identity, which fascists regarded as an attack upon the emotional and spiritual bonds of the nation and a threat to the achievement of genuine national solidarity.[180]
This reads like it was lifted from the Democratic Party's platform. It exactly describes the criticisms that progressives level against capitalism, and exemplifies their idea of what the American economy should look like.
Trump is not the enemy. He's just a reflection of the hate and desperation white working class Voters feel in the face of an eroding standing of living. Rubio, Cruz, Kasich. Their your enemies. They're the ones who openly attack the working class and drive down wages while raising taxes on the poor and working class. Take care of them, protect the Workers and bring back the middle class and the fear and hate Trump is reflecting back will dissipate in the wind.
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No kidding. It's so much better to have the State do the thinking for them. Self-determination is such an outdated concept. Vote Sanders 2016!
Bull shit.
First of all, we have access to all the emails powel kept on his email server, but not HRC's.... interesting.... and the ones on powels server originated from within the department of state where He(powel) has discretion and authority to declassify the entire lot. HRC had content from classified networks that cannot exist outside of the networks, on her personal server. It somehow 'jumped' over the protections in place. Furthermore, she signed an NDA specifically speaking to the laws and rules regarding handling the classified data.
You are either a liar, a shit-stirrer , or you just dont pay attention. There is the possibility you are shilling for shits and giggles.
Yeah, you'd no longer have to pretend that you're not trying to import a bunch of new Democratic voters.
I've heard this song before and I don't like it.
Actually.... A lot of people have been gravitating to him because they've been told for years that they're imagining their lower class station, they're actually the oppressors, since someone who looks like them did bad things years ago. That someone else needs more help, and the fact that they're poor and worthless flies in the face of their obvious benefits gained for being big fat racists.
And told. and told and told.
It's all about class, and these lower class people who aren't of the correct oppressed race have been fed a stream of race division. So not only are they poor and live shitty lives, they're ignored. Imagine you live in a bad part of Appalachia, barely get by, poor with no future, and all the news carries is how some black guy( not you) in St. Louis ( A city, not your country life) got shot, and your kid's hooked on meth.
Then along comes the blowhard, who essentially says "Hey, I see you, here's some [insert nonsensical ideas and bromides that appeal to their class, not race]. and they eat it up.
I'm not at all surprised by this. It's simply backlash.
Who cares? RealClearPolitics also predicted Clinton with a 20+ point lead in Michigan, and you can see how that turned out. If polls this election season are proving anything, it is that the people who participate in polls and the people who actually vote are 2 different groups.
Even so, who cares about Clinton? According to that site, the only people she beats are Trump and Carson (who dropped out). Sanders beats any Republican opponent. If the Democrats wanted to ensure that the Republicans lose then they would nominate Bernie.
You know, assuming that polls mean anything now.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Seriously? Trump is the one that would start WWIII over some slight he perceived, just look at his rallies for god's sake. He's a hot head and would follow right in Bush's footsteps of using the military to exact personal revenge.
Oh look the Tea Party modded me down, what ever shall I do?
I suppose you'll probably anonymously post a follow up chiding the mods.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Most of the people crossing the Mexican Border aren't Mexican, they are from central America. Most of the Mexicans immigrated 20 years ago and are already citizens, either that or being repeatedly deported for drug crimes. The vast majority of current immigrants are fleeing drug gang crime in central America. They aren't coming because they want to, they are coming because they don't' have a choice.
Or don't forget his bogus claim of 911 celebrations... and when demonstrated false couldn't find it within himself to acknowledge his error.
Totalitarianism. One-party State. Cult of Personality. Dictatorship. Militarism. Direct Action. Mixed Economy. Third Position. New Man. Social Order. So 10 out of 13. I didn't say Nationalism, because I believe the President and former SecState both believe in a one-world Government, thus Nationalism is really Globalism. But if you expanded it to Globalism, then it would be 11 of 13.
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She still hasn't released those speeches she gave to wall street - one of which she was paid $415,00 for. She only changed her position on same-sex marriage after it was obvious which way the wind was blowing. She sent secret information to people who were not supposed to be privy to it (to which the email server is just incidentally involved).
That's three to start.
The current FBI investigation has been going on since last August, but only confirmed in February. And this has nothing to do with republicans - this is an FBI probe under a Democratic president.
Clinton is Not liked or trusted by a majority of the voters.
On the positive side, 8% of Americans say they like her, 7% describe her as capable and qualified, 5% as experienced, 3% as strong and 3% as a good politician. Smaller percentages consider her honest or smart.
Overall, 29% of Americans offer a positive observation about Clinton while 51% express something negative. The rest have either a neutral comment or no opinion. This loosely fits with her overall image among national adults as measured on Gallup tracking, which is 42% favorable and 51% unfavorable.
These are the same number she had in 2008, and she lost then. The only candidate with overall positive numbers as Sanders.
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Sir, your commentary is enlightening and a revelation in terms of the depth of your argument and your stunning logic is flawlessly displayed. It is a masterful commentary on the intellect you possess.
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The FBI, under a democratic president, has been investigating Clinton since last August, but they only revealed the investigation last month. And they're still investigating ...
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Donald Trump has tapped into a visceral nature of a base that feels ignored and marginalized by the "establishment" part of the party. The party deserves what is happening. Unfortunately, America (and the rest of the world) does not deserve Donald Trump. Howard Dean had a goofy 'Yell' after winning a primary and it sunk his campaign. Trump says 'I can shoot people in Times Square and not take a hit in the polls' and 'The guy [protester] needs to leave the building in a stretcher' and nothing happens. People who support Trump should be ashamed of themselves.
The media, the republicans, the democrats and now Anonymous - they all don't get it. If you QUIT talking about Trump, quit showing him on the news he would become irrelevant and people would forget about him. The more people talk about him, berate him, attack him, show him all over the T.V. the more popular he gets.
If they REALLY want to get rid of Trump they need to IGNORE him! Just stop talking about him, stop putting his face all over T.V., he will just go away and people will forget about him. I mean really, it's not rocket science folks. But then again.... Maybe they all WANT hm to WIN. It could be you know....
We should be spending more of our time hammering the candidates about the problem with the H1B Visa program - like SHUTTING IT DOWN! This is what's really affecting people! Think Disney, Hertz, and all the others that are destroying American jobs for CHEAP foreign labor.
The Truth is a Virus!!!
After all, I was still waiting for them to complete their teardown of ISIS/ISIL, which was apparently do successful that nobody noticed and now they need more attention.
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Let's face it, the Anonymous jerks are just criminals and jerks who occasionally try to curry favor with the sort of morons who voted for Obama by claiming they will destroy somebody those Obama supporters think is "bad". ISIL was actually bad, so that one was easy. Trump is a super-villain to the worthless "gimmee free stuff" part of Obama's base, and he really freaks out the leftists "we get to bully everybody else into shutting up" crowd when he dares to push back, so he is a great target - BUT these attacks on him will backfire.
The sad truth is that the left has been burning things down, blowing them up (google "Bill Ayers", who was at the big anti-Trump protest), trashing, punching, screaming expletives, etc ever since they hijacked the Democrat party at the 1968 convention. Lots of normal people in middle America are warming to Trump because they have seen their political parties fail, and finally seen that those leftist Saul Alynski tactics work. Playing nice while leftists attack, decade after decade, has just lead to the gradual slow meltdown of the society and with Trump as the only candidate resisting he becomes the solution to the problem of lawless anti-Americanism.
In previous election cycles, yelling "fascist!" and "racist!" worked well to scare republicans and old-school democrats into backing down, but those slurs have been hurled so loudly and so frequently at anybody who opposes any element of leftists ideology that they have finally lost much of their kick.
And yet Sanders beats everyone with better numbers. Normally, when a politician is under investigation by the FBI for more than half a year, they step aside and let someone else carry the water.
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I feel the best way to destroy the Trump campaign is to keep letting people hear him.
It won't change anything. At this point, his supporters will stick with him no matter what. One thing Trump did say that was true is when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any supporters. His base of nutters are right now making any and all excuses for him.
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Except that with Clinton, you pretty much know what you're getting: more of the same. With Trump... there's no telling what he might do. He *might* make some interesting changes. He also *might* invade Mexico. Better off with Clinton. Things could be much worse, and with Trump, there's a risk they will be.
Considering how insecure he is, such as publicly rebutting Rubio during the primary debate regarding the size of his member, all Iran would need to do to destroy the U.S. during a Trump presidency would be to taunt him saying he is too much of a wuss to handle a war with Russia. And his supporters would say nonsense like "Yeah! We gotta give it to those Commie Soviets!"
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"I'd ask the same thing about Condeleeza but I actually believe that about her, after all she was in the NSA. "
Condeleeza Rice was never in the NSA. Your arguments lose serious credibility if you can't differentiate between the National Security Agency (the intelligence agency) and the National Security Advisor (the person who advises the president on national security issues, including but not limited to, intelligence matters, who has no authority over any of the Intelligence Community)
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Well, yes and no. You are correct in the concept of ex post facto but incorrect on the retroactive classification. Several of the documents being looked at were classified at the point of creation due to known policies and who or what the communication was about. Then there is supposed documents that were classified before hand and mishandled.
How do we know this? Because several people she communicated with had their emails hacked and dumped on the internet marketing. But that of course necessarily assumes the emails are real which is something we will have to wait until the FBI investigation is finished.
I don't know if I'd go that far. The Democratic Party has never had much of a cohesive ideology. It sort of grew over time and incorporated bits of this and that, including many unlikely or implausible coalitions. Actually, many of the organizational features we now regard as standard parts of political parties in America were innovations introduced by Abraham Lincoln as he organized the Republican Party--and even with those innovations his party never could have captured the White House without a massive schism in the Democratic Party over the issue of slavery. On that basis, I 'd say Hillary and Bernie are both well within the historical "norms" of their party. Hard to call anyone a DINO when the label has so little meaning, eh?
However, on the topic of this article, my main focus was actually the intended joke of "government of the Donald, by the Donald, for the Donald", and the entry point of censorship, even of the Donald, is what bothered me about the situation. Better to let the jackass bray as loudly as possible. If he doesn't destroy his own reputation and candidacy, then maybe we have to pray that the Donald is faking. "I want to be president" certainly wouldn't be Trump's first lie.
Now about that moderation... Still offensive. I wouldn't mind being marked "provocative" or even "thought provoking", but slashdot lacks such sophistication... I'm horrified to feel sort of compelled to say something nice about Facebook's new moderation system. Still awful, but at least it's improving and it may already be better than slashdot's moderation system... The idea of a general positive dimension with optional focusing on more narrow dimensions is a half-decent implementation of what I recommended for slashdot about 10 years ago. (Not claiming credit. It's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, and I'm quite sure there have been plenty of such observers with similar suggestions over the years...)
(Now what was that "open proxy" thing about? Slashdot doesn't need more breakage...)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
That sounds like you are admitting that they have nothing (because you are). I know that is ridiculous, because you would never admit that simple fact. I fucking hate the idea of Billary as President, but lets not pretend the reason she is bad is because she has committed crimes. Let's just admit she hasn't done anything out of the ordinary, and that is what disqualifies her.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Huh. You're comparing Trump to Hitler - and I'm the one making insane comments?
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Wow, I did NOT know there was that many conspiracy kooks in DC.
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You do realize that it's well documented in the press prior to her current issues that half of washington does exactly what she does? I don't like it.. it's shady faggot lawyer shit. But seriously like... I can't take you serious.
Not to mention that same DoJ recently granted immunity to the staffer who originally setup the server.
Clearly also just smoke and no fire... as they hand out those immunity cards like free condoms on a college campus.
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You and Hillary are free to keep on telling yourselves that... however the State Department Inspector General and FBI seem to disagree... and no offense, I trust their interpretations much more than I do yours or hers.
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Oh, I have it on good authority that Trump is much better at head than Hillary.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Aside from your atrocious spelling, your delusions and impending meltdown are absolutely delightful to witness.
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Yes. Nothing says "Can't we all just get along" more than declaring that all Muslims are our enemy.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
If they had the ability to do so they would have done it already.
They're just spouting rhetoric.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
I truly hope he becomes President, simply because the chances of him getting assassinated skyrocket.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Viable doesn't actually mean what you think it means.
Oh yeah, Hillary's totally not a psychopath...
Why are you hardcore leftists/"progressives" always the absolute biggest hypocrites? You constantly accuse others of acts you or your heroes are guilty of. You claim to be against hate, but you do nothing but spew hatred. You claim to be against racism, yet you constantly make every topic about race, and demand unequal treatment based on race. You demand to be treated with respect, yet you show no respect for others. You demand peace from others, yet throw violent tantrums when things don't go your way. You demand restrictions on the free speech of others, yet expect your speech to be heard and uncensored.
Nobody takes you seriously. You're the running joke of the 21st century. A failed societal experiment. A product of "no child left behind", "affirmative action", and garbage child psychology.
Fucking script kiddies...
They'll attack anyone who won't fight back.
How brave of them!
But hey! Drug cartels might hit back! So we can't take those on!
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That doesn't make it ok.
Obviously they won't reveal what they have until they're ready. And the fact that there is an ongoing investigation is usually sufficient for the individual to voluntarily step aside during the investigation. So, why should Clinton be an exception?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
If Trump can't run, regardless of his behavior or how you feel about T-rump, then what do we have?
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Huh. You're comparing Trump to Hitler - and I'm the one making insane comments?
If the shoe fits...
Have you even seen what goes on at Trumps rallies? Or heard all the stuff he's been saying publicly for months now? It simply is fascism. It is Hitler in the early years, before he became Chancellor. It is Oswald Mosley, complete with pointing out someone he doesn't like in the audience, and having hooligans beat them up as they are dragged out.
Clinton and Obama, while certainly not the best of politicians, as also certainly not fascists as you claim. You don't like them, and you have clearly developed a burning hatred for them, but that doesn't make someone a fascist.
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Just yet another article to remind everyone that Trump exist and is running for president.
That is correct.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I'm glad to see Anonymous's war on ISIS has been completed successfully.
Or maybe the people involved are starting high school soon.
Looks like the mask is slipping.
...and think his negative numbers are way too high to defeat Clinton or possibly even Sanders.
Actually, you should say "and think his negative numbers are way too high to defeat Sanders or possibly even Clinton." I say that because in hypothetical Clinton-Trump and Sanders-Trump matchups, Sanders appears to consistently fair better according to the polling data:
Clinton-Trump
Sanders-Trump
Averaging five or more polls in a Clinton-Trump matchup currently, Clinton wins by 6.3% on average.
Averaging five or more polls in a Sanders-Trump matchup currently, Sanders wins by 10% on average.
Big apple, new Yorik, undig it, something's unrotting in Edenmark.
*replaces Trump with Obama and wonders how many people see the hypocrisy*...
My favourite trump moments: - Announcing that not only will he build a wall along the border, but he'll make Mexico pay for it.
This has been my single favourite moment so far. I'm still waiting to hear how this will address the planes, tunnels and submarines that currently also being used by smugglers?
So President Obama telling people to bring guns to knife fights, to get in their faces, that's not violent and fascist? Telling the opposition party to get to the back of the bus, the sit and be quiet is not fascist? Using the power of the State (the IRS) to penalize political opponents isn't fascist? Virtual State control over an entire industry isn't fascist? You have an interesting definition of fascism... I posted mine (a well accepted one at that); what's yours?
Oh, and about the "beating" of hecklers? Never really happened now, did it? Of course, with the media literally lying about the hooligans disrupting the rallies (those hooligans, you know, sponsored by MoveOn.org and other darlings of President Obama and SecState Clinton) it's not a surprise you're confused. You only need to ask yourself if Trump was the problem, why is the ACLU siding with him over these rally disruptions?
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Having a list of names of immigrants is one thing. Requiring the immigrants to disclose their religion is quite another!
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I fucking hate the idea of Billary as President, but lets not pretend the reason she is bad is because she has committed crimes. Let's just admit she hasn't done anything out of the ordinary, and that is what disqualifies her.
I believe if an ordinary employee had done what she had done, they at minimum would have been fired, and potentially would have gone to prison. If they were a whisteblower, they almost surely would have gone to prison as retaliation: http://www.washingtontimes.com...
I also believe her "Foundation" is a tax-free piggy bank for her to pay salaries to cronies (at the minimum) that lobbyists looking for influence contribute to, on top of any money she or Bill makes from speaking engagements.
Let's just admit she hasn't done anything out of the ordinary
Perhaps in the sense that high-profile politicians routinely engage in such shenanigans without accountability.
Well, we see who are the evil ones, now don't we. Anti-trump protesters have not only disrupted many of his rallies with violence, and silencing the freedom of speech. They now are going to try to use more thug tactics. I still haven't seen the same level of violence disrupting Hillary or Sanders.
I miss the days when Anonymous used to act intelligently, and on behalf of freedom and the people. This latest action of theirs is blatant suppression of free speech and democracy just to bully people into having whatever political views Anonymous decides is good for us. Good job Anonymous... NOT. You've now become exactly the evil dictatorial thing that you originally formed expressly to fight against.
No, its the people who support blatantly corrupt, self-serving politicians like Clinton, Cruz and Rubio that should be ashemaed of themselves.
I'd much rather vote for someone self-funded than blatantly bought-and-sold mouthpieces for the big corps and "special interest" groups like rubio, cruz and clinton.
Meanwhile, Trump is supportive of violence at his rallies, pumps up anti-hispanic racism, alludes positively to Japanese internment when talking about Muslims, and would bring back torture. That's your choice.
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Yep. Core tenets of fascism: Nationalism, Totalitarianism, One-party state, Personality cult, Dictatorship, Militarism, Direct action, Mixed economy, Class collaboration, Third Position, New Man, Imperialism, Social order. Most of those apply to President Obama and Mrs. Clinton.
If you're trying to say that Obama is a fascist, then you have no idea about what you're talking about and you should be taken to a real fascist regime for a few years so you can learn your politics.
Sometimes I think it would be better to let Trump win in order to put some sense in your heads (or at least those of you who manage to survive), as it had to be done to Germany in World War II.
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Exactly. She's no crook, except in the money for favors sense that most politicians are, but she's just not smart enough. OTOH, the alternatives are Trump, who is even dumber, or Cruz, who is very smart but everyone who knows him thinks he's a horrible person.
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Huh. You're comparing Trump to Hitler - and I'm the one making insane comments?
If you can't really see how history is repeating itself, and how the conditions that allowed Hitler to reach power are happening again, this time around Trump, then yes: you're insane. Or at the very least, delusional.
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You're probably old enough to remember the '90s. Whitewater, travelgate, filegate, these kind of investigations can generate a whole bunch of smoke with out even a flicker of frame.
A) If you threw everyone in jail who ever sent or received classified info through unofficial channels, half of Washington would be in jail. People slip up. Things get into emails. Sometimes not everyone is clued in on what's classified and what's not.
B) Hillary is not a sys-admin. Unless you can show that she ordered some nefarious activity, you aren't going to get an indictment based on the contents or security level of her servers.
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You claim to be disturbed by this video but you'll probably vote for concentration camp loving, brown shirt goading Trump.
Any liberal who's tuned into foreign policy is not happy with Hillary "Bush Lite" Clinton, but the Republicans haven't put up any credible alternative.
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But so are anonymous. Their "campaigns" are simply an weak excuse to vandalise websites and cause minor disruption for their own lulz.
> So President Obama telling people to bring guns to knife fights, to get in their faces, that's not violent and fascist?
Was he actually encouraging people to bring real guns to a real knife fight? No? You mean it was a metaphor?
> Telling the opposition party to get to the back of the bus, the sit and be quiet is not fascist?
Ooh, scary. Bad Obama tells the opposing party that when he wins and they lose, he'll be in charge. Nasty!
> Using the power of the State (the IRS) to penalize political opponents isn't fascist?
Obama never did this, so what's your point?
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People have a strong ability to hear what the like from Trump and ignore the rest.
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How is this not an attack on democracy? Funny how lefties are the ones that actually do the 'violence'..
Yes, you may not like what Trump has to say, but it's a f-ing democracy. So if a lot of people are voting for him you'll have to accept that, you don't have to like it....
Well, except that this one seem to be all smoke, no fire.
So a highly hazardous electrical fault? Or maybe a leak of toxic gas?
I really love it when people use that line. It implies supreme stupidity given anyone who would ignore smoke with a lack of fire.
John Oliver was right: Trump very likely does get an orgasm every time someone mentions his name, so good job, Anonymous.
Stop feeding the troll.
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True of every bullshit that ever found followers. One of my favorite quotes of all time is from Pen & Teller, saying "Read the bible, we need more atheists". The same is true of the program of most political parties, especially the ones like the right-wing crazies gaining ground in Europe over the refugee crises at the moment, or all of the republicans in the race in the US right now.
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I believe if an ordinary employee had done what she had done, they at minimum would have been fired, and potentially would have gone to prison.
You mean, if they'd sent work email from a personal account? That has been pretty common practice, at all levels of government and private industry, with laws restricting state business to state computers being relatively recent impositions.
That's how this Clinton thing got started: someone trying to back-date a 2014 law, pretending it applies to 2009-2013. With much grubbing around, there's maybe a dozen emails on that server that might merit security classification (keeping in mind that wikileaks files indicate that extremely trivial information can "merit security classification"), and most, if not all, of those seem not to have been classified until after the fact. ie, not classified when she received or sent them, but classified now. If, out of thousands of secure and insecure communications over four years, there were a dozen transmitted over the wrong system, this hardly seems the traitorous breech of national security it's made out as.
Is it a work email if she tells her daughter she's going to make an unannounced visit to Berlin on a particular day? Would it be work email if her security staff told their kid that the Secretary of State was going to Berlin? Would either of them contain classified information?
In particular, fascists criticized capitalism not because of its competitive nature nor support of private property, which fascists supportedâ"but due to its materialism, individualism, alleged bourgeois decadence, and alleged indifference to the nation.
This reads like it was lifted from the Democratic Party's platform. It exactly describes the criticisms that progressives level against capitalism, and exemplifies their idea of what the American economy should look like.
I don't think I've ever heard any Democrat say I should just take a crappy job like a good American. They mostly seem to say thing like the State should educate me so I can get a good job, or the State should encourage free trade so I can get inexpensive luxuries.
Should we start removing race/sex questions from all federal paperwork?
Yes.
The liberals wont allow that though, because of their darling affirmative action crap.
"His name was James Damore."
Announcing that not only will he build a wall along the border, but he'll make Mexico pay for it.
I actually believe him.
The reason I believe him is that he has successfully gotten the media to fund his election campaign. If a Republican can get the media to fund their election campaign, its not hard to imagine that same Republican getting the Mexicans to pay for a wall.
"His name was James Damore."
So suggesting that America murders the families of terrorists doesn't even make your top six?
Think about the full horror of that one a minute. One of the front runners for the Presidency of the United States wants to kill people on the basis of who they are related to.
The comparisons with Hitler aren't exaggerations any more.
The Bush Administration hosted private federal government emails on Republican National Committee servers. When that was discovered, the data was subpoenaed in connection with the firing of US Attorneys in 2007. And the RNC wiped the data rather than turn it over.
How come every conservative has forgotten about this? They're all out for Hillary's blood without noting that she's following precedent by President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. I will gladly support her prosecution for this - just as long as they're prosecuted first, since they broke the same fucking laws first but nobody conservative cares.
I have to assume you love Trump and are flaming this discussion to discredit people who disagree with him. If you're serious in your dislike for his ideas, find something better to do.
If anything, this is counter productive. Trump's campaign is feeding on the media circus. He's like something out of a bad horror movie, your attacks only make him stronger.
The best way to attack Trump is plain facts. He inherited his money, four of his business ventures have declared bankruptcy, he openly cheated on his wives, he's lying about his current net worth. His primary claim to fame is his brilliant business sense, and it's a lie.
And then there are all the political speech and procedural issues. DDoS attacks and hacks are not how we handle political discourse. Trying to forcibly silence a candidate is wholly unacceptable, no matter who or why. If they don't like Trump, they can engage in the process by speaking and voting against him. NOT by interfering with his speech. That is not how democracy works.
indeed. Nowadays I read the Guardian (in the UK, its a paper who will happily tell us how many migrants we need to be compassionate over and bend over backwards to accommodate because they're fleeing war and horror and they're all so desperate and good for the economy) and Breitbart (who tell us of gang rapes by said migrants who we accommodated) in order to get some semblance of the truth - hopefully balancing the left and right to get something in the middle.
You should vote though - do not be one of the lazy "who cares" non-voters. Go down there and put "none of these fuckwits" on the ballot paper, just to show you care enough to take the effort. Bonus marks for drawing a picture of a Hillary taking Trump's cock on the ballot too (or vice versa!)
My dad's convinced someone has recordings of those speeches and the only reason we haven't seen them is that someone wants to release them post nomination like that Romney speech.
Except, it is well documented that while she was in office, it was absolutely against policy, and the records retention laws she broke are much older and are still the same laws.
Also, receiving classified information on an unclassified system, and not reporting it is a serious breach, and is enough to put her in prison. She claims that the items weren't marked as classified when she received them, but as an original classification authority, she is expected to know the information was classified without the markings. So either she is incompetent, just didn't care, or broke the law. She had information in her email which was classified Top Secret //HCS, which means someone removed the markings, because you don't just come across that information, and it is automatically classified at the origin.
Condoleezza Rice didn't even use email, so not sure why you are using her as an example, and Colin Powell used a commercial email account, which he reported. Neither of them ran their own poorly secured email server, and neither of them failed to turn over their email when repeatedly requested to do so like Hillary did. She hung onto her email several years after leaving office to try and impede the investigation into Benghazi. Benghazi happened in 2012, she didn't turn over her email until 2015, after repeated requests for those emails. She also turned them over in the least convenient way possible by printing them all out and handing over paper copies. She could have handed over a flash drive, but she instead chose to print out all the emails so that the metadata was intentionally lost.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I guess you aren't famliar with politics from the 1800's; this used to be very common. In fact politicians used to have duels over this sort of thing...
Bring back the old version of slashdot.
Wouldn't it be a better move for them to find a way to quash Hillary's campaign? In a Sanders VS Trump position, would Trump stand a chance?
HUMINT is classified at the source. Someone removed the classification, and as an original classification authority, the Secretary of State is expected to be able to identify classified information. It isn't retroactive classification, everything that has come out as being classified was classified at the source. Only Hillary is trying to make this out to be some kind of argument over what should and shouldn't be classified, HUMINT is never classified less than TOP SECRET//HCS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... (scroll down to the HUMINT section)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
HUMINT involves human sources of information, and could lead to the death of the source, so it is always highly protected information. Either Hillary is Incompetent or Corrupt, which would you prefer?
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I'm sure if you're against Trump this seems like a good idea. But what will you say when a group of pro-Trump hackers dismantles the campaign you support? If you don't like what Trump has to say, answer it. Trying to silence him will a. fail and b. only prove to his supporters that he's right.
If the choice is between Trump and Hillary, this election will have the highest percentage on Third Party candidates of any in history.
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Does it hurt to have such a serious learning difficulty?
Bush used the military to exact personal revenge? So he sent them after his high school bully?
Iraq was about WMD, the same WMD that the other side of the isle, including Clinton were talking about.
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Afghanistan was the source of the attack against the WTC, so it couldn't be that you are speaking of.
Please teach us what personal revenge Bush used the military to perform.
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Hey, man, I don't know who that was, or whether that person was a follower or a troll trying to make trouble for me, so how about you step off?
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
I guess democracy is only a good thing when the electees are your favourites. The usual SJW bullshit: If you don't like the message, start crying.
"Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet (Spaceballs)
You mean, if they'd sent work email from a personal account? That has been pretty common practice, at all levels of government and private industry, with laws restricting state business to state computers being relatively recent impositions.
While I've seen people do it on occasion as a matter of expediency when they were away from work, I don't think it was at all common to use a non-work address as a primary address, and certainly not for a job with sensitive information.
http://www.politico.com/story/...
"The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned. "
With much grubbing around, there's maybe a dozen emails on that server that might merit security classification
There are at least 22 with Top Secret classification, not just "might merit security classification". Of course, it's just common sense that using a personal address as primary address for government business greatly amplifies the risk for this happening.
If, out of thousands of secure and insecure communications over four years, there were a dozen transmitted over the wrong system, this hardly seems the traitorous breech of national security it's made out as.
I suggest reading the link from my last post, which shows the government going after low-level employees for relatively minor breeches.
The whole thing reeks, from her "Foundation", to her and Bill's speaking engagements, to her relationship with Sidney Blumenthal, all the way to her use of a personal email server as a primary government business address completely under her control:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"Experts such as Metcalfe agree that these practices are allowed by federal law,[25][28] at least in case of emergencies,[20] but discourage the practice, believing that official email accounts should be used.[19] Jason R. Baron, the former head of litigation at NARA, described the practice as "highly unusual" but not a violation of the law. In a separate interview, he said, "It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario--short of nuclear winter--where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business."[20][29][30] Baron told the Senate Judiciary Committee in May 2015 that "any employee's decision to conduct all email correspondence through a private email network, using a non-.gov address, is inconsistent with long-established policies and practices under the Federal Records Act and NARA regulations governing all federal agencies".[31]"
what happens when you kill a terrorist??? and leave the family???
the family grows up to become terrorists because we killed their daddy (rightfully)
what is the problem, war is hell. it sucks. but these people dont think twice about killing innocent people, you have to fight by the rules of the worst player in the game if you want to win
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
So to clarify you are calling Colin Powell corrupt as shit and saying he lies through his teeth?
Yes.
eg. His "Weapons of Mass Destruction" speeches - 100% barefaced lies before the entire world. Trillions of dollars have been spent and a lot of people have died as a result of those speeches.
PS: Does a candidate's chances in the next election really depend on having a working website? Maybe it's just me but I have a hard time imagining Trump supporters going online and informing themselves about anything.
No sig today...
It will never work, since Trump supporters communicate via CB radio.
If it were anyone else with this particular issue, you wouldn't give a flying fuck.
The bigger problem is voters not giving a damn about the legalized bribary which is the United States political system.
Your media polls mean nothing. The fan base doesn't care. She's winning the votes that count.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
All that stuff is a distraction. We should be looking into and documenting why people keep on voting for her and Trump in the primaries. It is by far the most fascinating part of all the kabuki.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I can see the game titles now:
Anonymous: Total War
Trump: Total War
Anonymous: Total War 2: The Re-Election Campaign
Coming to a GameStop near you!
None of this negates the fact that Hillary Clinton is, to all appearances, the tool of Wall Street. If the dems go with her, any republican win is on them.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The votes that count in this election are the independents - they are larger than both the democrats and the republicans. You can't win an election without them, and Hillary is not trusted by most of them.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I'm only counting the results. 'Trust' means diddly.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Which is why I'm waiting for somebody official to state that she did something definitely wrong. The Clinton-bashers have made very loud ruckuses over minor things for a long time, which is why I tend to not believe accusations against Bill and Hillary until there's some semi-impartial finding of wrongdoing. If the Congressional Republicans aren't satisfied with a mere dozen inquiries into one incident without finding anything wrong, why should I take their accusations seriously?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for that indictment...
This comment is my opinion and does not represent an official position of Donald Trump or others I do not work for
Says the commentor who apparently doesn't know the meaning of "facism" (did you even READ your cite? It doesn't say what you think it does) "totalitarianism", "one-party state", "dictatorship", "militarism", et al ad nauseum.
As for "direct action", that's exactly why we HAVE a Chief Executive. It's what executives are empowered to do: take action. Next, what's wrong with a mixed economy? Can you point out for me a pure economy anywhere on the planet? While you're at it, you might want to provide context for "third position", given that it could mean ballet, violin, or a third political party to name just a few. What the fuck are you talking about by "new man"? Did he join AA or something?
You're all hat, no cowboy.
This comment is my opinion and does not represent an official position of Donald Trump or others I do not work for
So you won't accept she did something wrong until after the pardon? How convenient for you.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Trump and Sanders are both getting support from the other side. Trying to get their opposition to nominate the un-electable.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I wonder if there are more republicans 'supporting' Sanders or democrats 'supporting' Trump.
Two unelectable candidates give the win to Vermin Supreme...I can dream.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You asked Hillary's girlfriends? Who got chewed by both?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You've got it backwards, the brownshirts are the ones infiltrating Trump's rallies and trying to prevent him from speaking.
Last Friday in Chicago it wasn't the Trump supporters who were throwing bottles at people, damaging cars with Trump stickers on them, blocking an ambulance and injuring police officers.
The leftists are so terrified that Trump's message is resonating with the People that they are willing to do anything possible to shut him up. They know that their ideas cannot compete with.
Vote Vermin Supreme.
He's as close as we've to to Screaming Lord Setch.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
If ultra-leftist criminals are shitting their pants, it must mean something good is happening.
One-party State - His party controls neither house, and has very little influence over either of them.
Dictatorship - See Totalitarianism.
Militarism - No more than any other US President. Sure, there's the drone strike thing, but Obama has also been extremely reluctant to bring the US into the conflict in Syria... so I think calling him militaristic is a massive stretch.
Mixed Economy - I don't know what to tell you. The US has been a mixed economy for a long time, and is less of a mixed economy than many modern states. Obamacare is still primarily private, certainly less of a mixed economy than most healthcare systems.
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
What does labor have to do with the quote I posted? I can't remember the last time I heard a Democrat promote free trade.
And the current results are meaningless, because they don't include that huge pool of people who actually determine the outcome of elections because they are not committed to one party or the other.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Then why did the IRS apologize for targeting opponents of the President? And do you suggest they did it of their own volition, with zero input or request from the person who would benefit from such targeting?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Julian Assange, Glenn Greenwald And now anonymous, too? How convenient that the leaks or hackers that delivered infomation most damning for the government are those for which AC shows up like clockwork to condemn. Seriously, who organically questions the relevance of leaks as if they were TMZ headlines?
Maybe Clinton's not a fascist; how about a despot instead, just like President Obama?
And what has Trump said - actually said, not what's been "rumored" or "interpreted" - that is fascist?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
OK, what actual statement by Trump leads you to believe he's Hitler incarnate? Not "what he was rumored to have said", not "what we believe he means", actual words. Would love to hear that. In the mean time, we have a woman who claims no one died in Libya (Ambassador Stevens' family would disagree), that she never had classified information on her private server, that the IRS never targeted conservative groups - and that her husband never was a sexual predator.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Let them delay it - in the final election, this will be a huge point of how "the establishment" looks after its' own, even if it's not true. Politics is perception, not reality.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
This just got the Secret Service very interested in these guys. I don't think it's going to end well for them.
What are you talking about? I don't know what you mean. The actual primary results indicate that Clinton and Trump will win.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
they're trying to take everything (money, power) for themselves. They're greedy bastards hiding behind a veneer of decency. "They" here aren't the rubes voting for Ted Cruz's theocracy to be or Rubio's Trickle Down Economics. They are the 1% who power Cruz's and Rubio's existence.
They don't want what's best for everyone. They want to take everything for themselves. Trump supporters figured this out. They just don't know what to do with that information...
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I guess that Anonymous have finished off Islamic State.
I am sure Trump would be quaking in his boots.
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Casteism
I can imagine his terror before the amount of attention he's going to get out of this.
As commendable as Anonymous` actions may be what they do is, in the end, irrevelant. Not to mention the obvious fact that Trump capitalize on hatred, this wont help the global problem America seem to have at the moment - lack of adequate leaders. They might as well declare war on anyone running for president, just for the fun of it.
Let me walk you through it, slowly.
You claimed that the democratic party is fascist because "fascists criticized capitalism [...] due to its [..] indifference to the nation." Since labor is part of the capitalist system, your claim implies that a good, Democratic fascist would expect labor, like all other aspects of the community, to sacrifice its well-being for the state. A good fascist expects people to take crappy jobs out of national pride to benefit the state.
You claimed that the democratic party is fascist because "fascists criticized capitalism [...] due to its [...] individualism" This means a good Democratic Party fascist wants people to be cogs in the great machine of state, rather than educated, free/independent thinkers. School, in fascism, is for indoctrination not education. Now, you may differ on whether "science" amounts to secular indoctrination, but no one really thinks US schools are mass brain washing camps
You claimed that the Democratic party is fascist because "fascists criticized capitalism [...] due to its materialism, [and ] bourgeois decadence." Both NAFTA and the TPP were negotiated by Democrats. NAFTA, in particular, was ground-breaking at the time, representing a dramatic change from decades of import tariffs and policies intended to safeguard US businesses and US strategic capabilities. These agreements reduce the costs f production and allow delivery of more material goods at lower prices, encouraging materialism and decadence.. If you haven't heard Democrats promote free trade, then you haven't been listening.
Let me walk you through it, slowly.
You claimed that the democratic party is fascist because "fascists criticized capitalism [...] due to its [..] indifference to the nation." Since labor is part of the capitalist system, your claim implies that a good, Democratic fascist would expect labor, like all other aspects of the community, to sacrifice its well-being for the state. A good fascist expects people to take crappy jobs out of national pride to benefit the state.
Yes. I claimed Progressives are like fascists. Someone who is completely and unabashedly fascist would expect everyone to sacrifice for the State. We have very few who fit that description in the United States. Progressives certainly do criticize capitalism for it's selfishness and non-collective goals. And the left certainly encourages people to work for the State, or work in areas closely associated with the State. Whether it be social work, non-profits, federal or state government, education, journalism...etc. You should really leave your ellipses at home. I noticed you ignored the first paragraph, and focused on a minute portion of a single sentence in the second bring a thought not even described to the forefront to make your point.
You claimed that the democratic party is fascist because "fascists criticized capitalism [...] due to its [...] individualism" This means a good Democratic Party fascist wants people to be cogs in the great machine of state, rather than educated, free/independent thinkers. School, in fascism, is for indoctrination not education. Now, you may differ on whether "science" amounts to secular indoctrination, but no one really thinks US schools are mass brain washing camps
I claimed that of Progressives not Democrats. Progressives certainly do lean towards collective goals rather than individual goals, after all it takes a villiage. They would love it if everyone were a cog in the wheels of the State. Whether it be as a recipient of welfare, an unwilling provider of taxes, a government employee, a worker in a highly subsidized and regulated industry, a scientist on the government payroll aligned with the goals of the State, it goes on and on. The left controls the education system in this country. It certainly has become an indoctrination system. It serves to disseminate progressive ideology at the expense of a well rounded and competent education. See all the unemployed students with social work, english, women's and african american studies, and communications degrees with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, owed to the state or state sponsored loan companies. They'll forgive the debt (proposed), of course, if you take a job in service to the State. You can look at college after college and see that greater than 90% of the political donations from employees go to the Democratic party and it's affiliates. If the roles were reversed you'd be claiming brainwashing left and right. And once again you have ignored most of the point and focused on a very small portion of a statement to make your point.
You claimed that the Democratic party is fascist because "fascists criticized capitalism [...] due to its materialism, [and ] bourgeois decadence." Both NAFTA and the TPP were negotiated by Democrats. NAFTA, in particular, was ground-breaking at the time, representing a dramatic change from decades of import tariffs and policies intended to safeguard US businesses and US strategic capabilities. These agreements reduce the costs f production and allow delivery of more material goods at lower prices, encouraging materialism and decadence.. If you haven't heard Democrats promote free trade, then you haven't been listening.
I claimed that of Progressives not Democrats. NAFTA in particular was written 25 years ago by Republicans and pushed strongly by G H W Bush who ran out of time before his term ended. Even though Democrats had majorities in both the house and the Senate, Repub
I won't accept that she did something wrong before I know she did something wrong. Do you have a problem with that? I don't know what the FBI investigation will conclude, but since I haven't been told by about 524 different anti-Clinton sources that they definitely found definitive wrongdoing I assume they haven't finished.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The primary results are irrelevant. Clinton's delegate count includes superdelegates, who can drop her like a stone because they can vote any way they want on the first ballot, unlike regular delegates. Trump still may end up running as an independent. Nothing can be counted on. An indictment of Hillary or a brokered republican convention can change everything.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Clinton's delegate count includes superdelegates
That's what locks it up for her. Nobody's going to make wakes. With an indictment comes an immediate pardon. And besides, she is still winning the regular delegate count also. Your media polls are garbage. Only the real votes matter.
The brokered convention may happen on the republican side, and Trump may go independent, another plus for Clinton. His function is to scare people into voting for her. Sander's function is to herd more money into the DNC. If Hillary has to drop out, watch for Biden to reemerge.
You probably should keep an eye on congress. That is where the real fight is. And things don't look good there at all. It's still all democrats and republicans. Not a single independent in sight.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
How do you pardon someone who has been indicted but not convicted? That would be the kiss of death, an admission that she was guilty and that everyone knows it. The superdelegates would have no choice but to back sanders - having someone as president who was indicted and then pardoned would make it almost impossible for other governments to do business as usual.
It would be as ludicrous as Nixon staying in office by pardoning himself.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Clinton is the one with actual WWIII-starting credentials. Her legacy is the destruction of Libya, the rise of ISIS and the flight of many million people. She's right in Bush's steps already for the militarism, and in Obama's step for pandering to high finance / Wall Street interests.
So as someone not residing in the US, seeing Hillary R. Clinton be elected (I almost wrote re-elected) would be a big enough (on-going) disaster that I hope you Americans have "fun" and choose the other guy instead. Hell, I would rather have an idiot that infuriates everyone on the world stage than an affably evil presidentess that's all well-spoken and presentable. The hairball guy might be less likely to start WW III as a result.
And if the US gets a tiny little bit isolationist, the better. The trans-atlantic "partnership" or whatever it's called this month needs to fail, thanks.
How do you pardon someone who has been indicted but not convicted?
Um, Nixon? He wasn't even indicted. Ford pardoned him. He resigned to avoid risking his pension and other bennies, like taking the plea and admitting no wrongdoing. And it didn't take long for Saint Ronnie to rebuild the old facade.
You seem to think that people care. They don't. They will elect the worst of the worst if there's something in it for them. That is what keeps the crooked incumbents in office for 30 years plus. And notice how the fanbois on both sides dig in their heels when they feel they are under attack. Right now the facts mean squat. It is pure animal tribalism at play. And we are once again repeating history, showing how little we have advanced from the primordial soup. Clinton and Trump are ahead of the pack for perfectly natural reasons. Any so called human 'morality' is totally nonexistent, aside from the theatrics to control the population.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Or the part where he said that not only should America torture suspected terrorists for information, America should torture them regardless because it acts as a deterrent.
If we're picking the most extreme Trump moments, there's plenty of choice. Though I think the worst part is that the Trump insanity is making the other Republican candidates look like moderates - without Trump beside them it would be quite clear that the whole party has been getting more extreme too.
Yeah, it is too bad that the whole UN, and all the US politicians bought it that Saddam was refusing access to the UN weapons inspectors after being given a final ultimatum, it is too bad that he was giving speeches about gassing Iranians. It is just too bad that you are so hyper partisan that you can't even see that most of the world thought he had the WMD because he was acting like he did and was refusing access to the UN weapons inspectors.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
So your solution to defeating terrorism is to become terrorists?
You want to live in a terrorist state?
Whether or not one supports or likes Donald Trump, the announced efforts and intentions of the Anonymous Collective is reminiscent of the Brownshirts of the German Nazi party. While one might laugh at or enjoy their attacks upon government anti-democratic and authoritarian agencies and programs like the spying of the NSA and similar despicable apparati, it is quite another thing to silence Trump's open and above-board bid for the Republican nomination. Trump is engaged in part of the democratic process, which ought to be protected by the US constitution. To attempt to silence him and interfere with his democratic rights and the public's right to hear him is at the very least similar to if not on a par with the fascist intimidation tactics of Hitler's Brownshirts in 1930's Germany. This kind of behavior is no better than that of the NSA. These irresponsible and stupid children (or highly immature adults) don't seem to realize or understand that. What a crazy society we live in.
Aparently Anonymous doesn't like democracy or freedom. Whether or not you agree or disagree with Trump. Disagreements should be debated in the political arena. With arguments. Doing stuff like this is a sign of weakness, apparently they have no arguments against him. Tactics like this is what fascists, national socialists, communists and islamists use. Attacking political opponents. Anonymous is like a totalitarian dictatorship. Deciding what is best for us to see or not see. Like Kim Jong Il, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam,Islamic State, Taliban, Hamas or other totalitarian nutcases. If everybody were to take down sites of people with different opinions it would become a big mess. Democracy is all about making different opinions and then make a choice. I think that if the fascist scriptkiddie cowards of Anonymous (if they were men they wouldn't do it anonymous) would attack a candidate that is all the more reason to vote for that candidate.
You live in North Korea? Because I live in Europe and the democrats are definitely left wing compared to Europe. Both the democrats and republican parties are extremely broad political party's. The democrats are from the far left to the political middle. Comparing to European party's it contains anything from socialists, greens, socialdemocrats, socialliberals to center liberals, left christian democrats (I am using liberal not as the synonym for left but as the political liberalism). Sanders is radical left but other democrats are much closer to the middle. The republicans are from the center to far right. Comparing to European party's It contains anything from center liberals, conservative-liberals, christian democrats, moderate nationalists, conservatives, orthodox religious conservatives. Palin is far right religious orthodox but Giuliani is pretty liberal.