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Fake News Prompts Gunman To 'Self-Investigate' Pizza Parlor (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A rifle-wielding North Carolina man was arrested Sunday in Washington, DC for carrying his weapon into a pizzeria that sits at the center of the fake news conspiracy theory known as "Pizzagate," authorities said Monday. DC's Metropolitan Police Department said it had arrested 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch on allegations of assault with a dangerous weapon. "During a post arrest interview this evening, the suspect revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate 'Pizza Gate' (a fictitious online conspiracy theory," the agency said in a statement. "Pizzagate" concerns a baseless conspiracy theory about a secret pedophile group, the Comet Ping Pong restaurant, and Hillary Clinton's campaign chief, John Podesta. The Pizzagate conspiracy names Comet Ping Pong as the secret headquarters of a non-existent child sex-trafficking ring run by Clinton and members of her inner circle. James Alefantis, the restaurant's owner, said he has received hundreds of death threats. According to Buzzfeed, the Pizzagate theory is believed to have been fostered by a white supremacist's tweets, the 4chan message board, Reddit, Donald Trump supporters, and right-wing blogs. The day before Thanksgiving, Reddit banned a "Pizzagate" conspiracy board from the site because of a policy about posting personal information of others. Alefantis, the pizzeria's owner, told CNN, "What happened today demonstrates that promoting false and reckless conspiracy theories comes with consequences. I hope that those involved in fanning these flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."
Podesta's pedophile pizza parlor, would you like to try a large Huma?
The pizzagate psychos are now being told this was clearly a 'false flag' operation to cover up and discredit a world wide pedophile ring... running out of a fucking pizza place.
Jesus wept, this country is doomed.
People really seemed to like it before Jon Stewart went off the air...
No one on Slashdot would ever promote right wing conspiracy theories! How absurd...
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
geez... you're going in to self investigate and bring an assault rifle? Why not just go in and order a pizza and have a look around. He's lucky some stressed out cops didn't just gun him down. What an idiot.
Apparently, we should all agree that because one nutcase believes a highly contrived internet rumor and acts out, we should be against anyone investigating misbehavior of our elected officials. That is, unless properly licensed by the same government officials to do so.
gullible as shit
...the pizzeria's owner, told CNN, "I hope that those involved in fanning these flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."
If only.
The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
It's almost as bad of a conspiracy theory as the US Govt claiming the Russians were behind the Podesta leaks. Just make up evidence!
This is fairly typical thinking from conspiracy theorists.
They are the most gullible of people and just believe any crap that is put up on the internet. They like to believe that everyone else has no idea what is going on but in reality they are just eating the shit that other people make up.
The son of Trump's likely National Security Advisor is one of those gullible simpletons
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
A rifle-wielding North Carolina man was arrested Sunday in Washington, DC for carrying his weapon into a pizzeria that sits at the center of the fake news conspiracy theory known as "Pizzagate," authorities said Monday. DC's Metropolitan Police Department said it had arrested 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch on allegations of assault with a dangerous weapon. "During a post arrest interview this evening, the suspect revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate 'Pizza Gate' (a fictitious online conspiracy theory," the agency said in a statement. "Pizzagate" concerns a baseless conspiracy theory about a secret pedophile group, the Comet Ping Pong restaurant, and Hillary Clinton's campaign chief, John Podesta. The Pizzagate conspiracy names Comet Ping Pong as the secret headquarters of a non-existent [...]"
And, just in case you didn't get it yet, it's non-existent, fake news conspiracy theories. Baseless, too.
= someone with a mental illness
If you can't see it for what it is, you've got a problem.
I wonder why every official/mainstream outlet is so unified in denouncing this as "fake news", why it must be mentioned several times in anything mentioning Pizzagate, why the "fake news" phenomenon suddenly started getting a lot of attention around the same time. Hmmm. Nothing to see here, move along citizen. If your beliefs need to be changed then you will be notified through approved channels.
How about we scale up Jade Helm conspiracies to scare right-wing wackos right out of the country altogether.
Table-ized A.I.
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Table-ized A.I.
= someone with a mental illness
If you can't see it for what it is, you've got a problem.
Lots of people seem to have that problem... if the person is Muslim.
#DeleteChrome
It's interesting how much these fake news social media campaigns are drawing out the nutcases. It makes sense, social media tools are designed to reinforce one's beliefs and continuously show you things that interest you -- as well as relevant ads of course! I could definitely see a conspiracy nut get hold of an idea from Facebook or Twitter, then have it keep popping up in his feed over and over again, then have his friends repost it, then see streams of tweets reconfirming their beliefs.
Social media in this case is kind of like conservative talk radio, in that the most devout listeners to it seem to get locked into a feedback loop over certain ideas, never to change them again. Their host is angry, gets the listeners riled up and the audience feeds on the anger.
That said, this whole story is a pretty sad statement on how we treat mentally ill people these days. New York (where I live) is completing the process of shutting down almost all of their custodial-care institutions and dumping people out onto the streets. Basically, you'll need to be Hannibal Lecter to get an inpatient psych bed, so you'll likely end up in prison instead -- or if society's unlucky, you'll just sit there stewing for years until something makes you snap and shoot up a pizza place. I'm not saying we should go back to the bad old days of locking people up for depression, giving them lobotomies or abusing them...but I do think deinstitutionalization went way too far. People should be able to seek a diagnosis for mental illness without stigma, and get treatment if they need it. I'm convinced this is why we have so many mass shootings in the US. Look at Adam Lanza (the Newtown guy) -- according to all accounts, his mother basically hid his developing mental illness for years and refused to accept there was a problem. But, the sad thing is that even if she had sought help for him, she wouldn't have been able to get it.
It is simply the expected end result of GOP lead lies combined with their rabid insistence of weaponizing lunatics for poltical gain. One would be silly to think otherwise.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
Seriously, extreme right-wing nutjob gun owners with mad cow disease dementia https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Run for your lives.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
As evidenced by this sad case (I hope the pizza shop owners sue this idiot and garnish his wages for the rest of his life), and the election, I think the case can be made that the Internet doesn't necessarily enhance society. It's an interesting turn of events, and certainly not one that I considered seriously. I had always thought that the Internet went to shit in the early-mid 90's, when the public-at-large started to use it in large numbers. I couldn't imagine how bad it would end up today, though. And, sadly, we have such a large amount of the world's population still not online, I fear that it's going to get that much worse. I'm honestly disappointed in humankind that something with so much potential as the Internet can go to such shit so quickly.
I don't respond to AC's.
Was he wielding a rifle as stated in TFS, or was he carrying it?
Why would he be arrested for carrying a rifle? It's his right to do so.
Why is investigating something on your own bad? In this era of Fake News, it's the only way to be sure.
Further, why are we saying this is bogus conspiracy theory? Read the emails, something is definitely up. The media and powers-that-be are trying VERY hard to discredit this revelation. "Nobody is listening to your phone calls." and "You can keep your plan." hard.
Fear not - in a few short weeks President Trump's justice department will drain the swamp that is Washington, D.C..
if there is one things those fake news have been good for, it is to make the case for a Noocracy. Democracy sucks, too many dumb people.
I mean how stupid and completely void of common sense do you have to be to believe that Hilary Clinton was running a pedo-sex ring in the backroom of a pizzeria.
You cannot argue with someone who believes only information from their propaganda spigot is true. They will just dismiss you argument as false without needing to critically refute it. You literally cannot reason with these people.
reagan trashed the mental health system. kept too many republican voters locked up.
No.
Occam's Razor.
It's an individual nut with a gun.
Just because Podesta's friends are convicted child molesters doesn't make him one. In the US, we don't believe in guilt by association.
That reminds me of the graybeards who would hang out in the back rows of the auditorium at LUG meetings in the mid 90's.
Just amazing how cowardly the right is.
I mean your god-damn Pansy Elect was crying on twitter about needing a safe space because his bro was bullied by a bunch of thespians in musical theater.
I have never seen such a fucking wimp in my life.
Fake news is stochastic terrorism- not for a political goal, but for profit.
A white person does it and it's a mental illness, and we should feel sorrow and empathy. A black person does it and he's a thug who needs to be made an example of.
Learn to love Alaska
Prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Asshole's an idiot, I'd rather he be in prison than in the general population.
Why are people like this always identified by using a middle name? This should be known as the Billy Sol Estes effect.
The pendulum was extremely far left for a very long time. People have to expect the same thing to occur in the opposite direction. Combine that fact with the fact that media in the US has been manipulating people for decades, so now that people see a glimpse of a different truth more questions should be expected.
Let us also be honest on what the Pizzagate starter as. It was due to some very cryptic emails from the Podesta dumps, not some wacko on Twitter. Again, we have a Federal Government and MSM not doing their respective jobs. People, like it or not, feel obligated to step in where our Government is failing.
This should all be expected, and the answer is not "ban speech" but FIX DISHONESTY IN GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
lol
Who happened to walk into a business and shoot because he was goaded on by GOP propaganda spread not just by random trolls, but party leaders. The Republican party has a real mess on its hands. This will not end well.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
People should be able to seek a diagnosis for mental illness without stigma, and get treatment if they need it.
They already do, depending on the "diagnosis". It seems like having aspergers, ADHD, or being on some part of the spectrum is almost a badge of honor in some circles, especially in tech:
http://nymag.com/news/features...
And just think about the amount of people getting prescribed Xanax, Prozac, or Adderall nowadays.....seems like people are getting what they want (whether or not this is "treatment", or course, is debatable).
Look at Adam Lanza (the Newtown guy) -- according to all accounts, his mother basically hid his developing mental illness for years and refused to accept there was a problem. But, the sad thing is that even if she had sought help for him, she wouldn't have been able to get itc
Hogwash. She was fairly well-off financially, and it's been said that what set him off was that his mother had finally decided to have him committed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Although the details behind that were somewhat speculative, he was at the very least seeing a psychiatrist, one that was in the news recently with his own set of problems:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...
I'm not saying we should go back to the bad old days of locking people up for depression, giving them lobotomies or abusing them...but I do think deinstitutionalization went way too far.
Maybe. But you need to be careful of what you're asking for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
Fake news? you sure it's not an advertisement?
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reagan trashed the mental health system. kept too many republican voters locked up.
The second half of your statement doesn't help your point.
Serious question. I've seen you bring race in to this several times. Why is race so important to you? I didn't even care enough to inquire about the race of the guy. You should stop letting your opinions be defined so much by race. It's the way a society moves beyond racism. When race is no longer important.
It's not like left leaning mental patients don't exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front
Sheesh, Slashdot is full of conspiracy nuts, but since its part of the group think, no one questions the lunacy.
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I never asked for a president.
"Fake news" did not cause this guy to go to the pizza parlor anymore than Dungeon's and Dragons turned me into a sewer dwelling satanist. The chances of this guy living a normal, balanced life if the pizzagate conspiracy never surfaced are about zero. Conspiracy nuts and crazies existed long before the internet or fake news, JFK theories and Aliens at Rosewell all started well before the internet (or did they?!?! dramatic music playing). Fake news is also not a alt-right issue. Anti-vaxxer's and GMO conspiracists seem to cross all political spectrums and sites like "thefoodbabe" have been spewing mind numbingly stupid "fake science news" for years (and anti-vaxxer's do cause real personal harm and even deaths). It's an "issue" now because the media needs someone to blame for their colossal f**k up with this years election. As the great and wise sociologist Ron White has observed, you can't fix stupid.
James Alefantis isn't just a restaurant owner, he's the former gay lover of David Brock, and listed as one of the 50 most powerful people in Washington. Podesta and Clinton have used Alefantis' pizza parlor for political events. I think the rumors of a pedophilia ring come from a combination of the Podestas' bizarre taste in art (in particular, an artist called Biljana Djurdjevic, Alefantis' Instagram, and the odd set of bands performing at Coment Ping Pong. There were also odd references to pizza, dungeons, and children in Podesta's leaked E-mails.
Of course, none of that justifies showing up with a gun at Alefantis' restaurant. Furthermore, there seems to be no evidence of a pedophile ring. On the other hand, these seem to be some pretty weird people with some pretty weird tastes and pretty weird social relations.
...doesn't mean there's not a real issue. Normalcy bias is a real thing. "It is easier to deceive a person than to convince them they've been deceived."
Consider some of these...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
http://www.missingkids.com/Key... ...absolutely damning statistic IMO...
"Of the more than 11,800 endangered runaways reported to NCMEC in 2015, one in five were likely victims of child sex trafficking. Of those, 74 percent were in the care of social services when they went missing. "
Anthony Weiner, Dennis Hastert, Terrence Bean( https://www.youtube.com/watch?... )
Here's a fairly reasoned and straightforward examination of the "pizzagate" evidence that has surfaced to date...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
For those of you familiar with the Corbett Report, he did an investigation into political pedophiles a year ago...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
There's certainly a fair bit of disinformation mixed into all this, but denying that there's a real problem with spiritually wicked people in high positions of power around the world and in the USA is just head in the sand stupid and lazy. I encourage everyone to do some legit research on this issue lest someone you love falls prey to one of these perverted ^#$$^*@#$'s...
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
What we consider "left" is somewhere between centrist and moderate right in the rest of the first world.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
The graybeards wearing trench coats and selling recycled AOL floppy discs with illicit programs? Yeah, I stayed away from them too.
"I hope that those involved in fanning these flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."
I kind of hope they won't - the people that believe BS like this probably should be locked up. It's like dateline for crazies.
doesn't the hard-working small business owner, who is now getting death threats and business disruptions, have a really good libel case?
It was the proximate cause of him going to this specific pizza place. Yes, the guy's probably unhinged. No, if this fake news story had never run, he probably wouldn't have gone to this specific pizza place to investigate.
> It's not like pedophile scandals are that rare among people in power.
Uh, yes they are fucking rare.
Just because you've seen a handful of them busted on the news doesn't make it common, it just means you are yet another innumerate. How many people in power are there? Tens of thousands - celebrities, congress, their staffs, corporate officers, millionaires, etc. Add them all up and then compare them to the number of cases of pedos among them. Its no different, probably less in fact, than the ratio of pedos to non-pedos in the general population.
Its precisely your kind of stupid-ass logic, completely untethered from reality, that let idiots like the shooter convince themselves that pizzagate is real.
Trump!!! Lol, 4 years from now you will remember this is the election that taught the nation that the president doesnt do shit because nothing will have changed.
you can't fix stupid
...while I would differ with that opinion, I would point out that whether or not you can fix stupid, you can stop telling stupid people that specific real people are part of a giant nefarious conspiracy. If you continue to, you should be held partially liable for their actions.
Someone had to do it.
Does this mean you are willing to accept responsibility on behalf of Dem propaganda for the 2010 shooting at the Family Research Council where a guy walked into a business with a gun, bag full of chick-fil-a and a list of 'hate groups' from the SPLC and shot someone?
No?
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You know, you're not going to convince anyone by running dozens of slanted articles. Why not present the whole (weak) case including all the evidence and let readers decide for themselves? Or have you learned nothing from losing the election?
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
The summary says "Donald Trump supporters", among others, fostered the rumor. The summary should say "some Donald Trump supporters".
I voted for Trump, and I would never spread rumors like that about anyone. Anonymously spreading this kind of rumor is cowardly and unfair, and can lead to violence.
I'm very glad that no one was hurt physically, although the people who work there must be suffering emotionally. My best wishes to them. If I were in the area, I'd stop by for pizza there, to show my support for them.
"Lesbians Until Graduation?"
This will not end.
FTFY
Enigma
Seriously, who believes this shit? Can we get some verification this guy isn't a false flag operative or a low-IQ cutout?
reagan trashed the mental health system.
That's some nice revisionist history except for one detail.
It's wrong.
It was Progressive Democrats who had a majority in Congress that thought they were 'defending the rights of the mentally-ill' and pushed through the de-institutionalization of the mentally ill and forced them out on the streets and also 'defended the right to refuse medication' for the mentally ill so they are now wandering the streets un-medicated or self-medicating with street-drugs.
Republicans at the time opposed these moves but were outvoted in Congress and demonized in the media for their opposition.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Seriously. Every top rated comment is saying "nutjob" "conspiracy theory" "conspiracy theorist" "Fake News".
Stop and consider the evidence on a point by point basis. Then consider that Bill Clinton is a KNOWN pervert. Then consider former speaker of the house Hastert literally went to prison for pedophilia. Then watch all the videos of Biden being a creep. Then look at the digitized wanted posters for the abductors of Madeleine McCann. Then look at the artwork that the Podesta brothers have all over their house.
I mean, I don't believe every conspiracy theory. But the evidence here is frankly overwhelming that SOMETHING is fucked up, at least with the Podestas, and possibly with an incredibly large cross-section of Washington DC.
Then consider the motives of people who might have actionable blackmail evidence on all the most powerful members of congress/senate/executive.
It's AT LEAST worth looking into. Then once you look into it, it's hard not to think there's some there. But whatever, just keep watching your corporate television narratives that are obvious lies and fraud and call the rest of us crazy.
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Bzzzt. Return to go, do not collect $200. Democrats and progressives had control of congress and pushed defunding. On top of that, various state legislatures also pushed defunding, and then there's the multiple judges which were democrats who allowed the defunding of state institutions. Many of the arguments basically boiled down to "even the insane have right."
I agree, they do have right. So do the public, and that includes the protection from those who are mentally unstable.
Om, nomnomnom...
Edgar Maddison Welch? Is that you, Edgar Maddison Welch?
Edgar Maddison Welch, you get right back in the bell curve this instant, you hear me?
Who happened to walk into a business and shoot because he was goaded on by GOP propaganda spread not just by random trolls, but party leaders. The Republican party has a real mess on its hands. This will not end well.
You want to show everyone where the GOP had anything do to with this? I'll wait. You already know you're spewing bullshit, the fact that you immedetly jumped to the "It's the GOP ELEVENTYONE!!!!111111111111111111!" Means you're already sucking back on some great fake news.
Useful tip: The GOP has nothing to do with this, it was all independently by people on both sides of the isle. And this was done by one person who looked down the rabbit hole and saw that he was the savior. Despite everyone doing one thing, digging for connection that may or maynot exist.
Om, nomnomnom...
Sure, but only if you in turn 'accept responsibility' for the kid who shot up a black church, or the other that shot up a school, or the others that shot up another school, or that other one. Or the dozens and dozens of times every day that the GOP has lead America in the gun culture which hands dangerous weapons to unstable people. Oh, wait, right wing lunatics only talk about 'personal responsibility' when pointing at other people.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
The guy that is the leading contender for Trumps 'national security advisor' which is arguably a major position of trust is perhaps the most notable of many Republican leaders who pushed this story and even claimed that it would end in an prosecution. This is common knowledge that anyone who has followed this story has seen, yet you choose to ignore it. In fact Flynn's son (been called his 'chief of staff') has even recently doubled down on that very statement. The simple fact is that you and other republicans have chosen to ignore the party leadership's direct complicity in spreading these dangerous lies.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
Bravo. Well done. Good on you.
It is impossible to think that the 1% could engage in pedophile activities. Luckily, this sort of fake news will soon be illegal.
The guy's going to have to give up all of his toys and he's never going to qualify for a gun license again in his lifetime, right?
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
How about the — completely bogus — meta-story of the "campus rape epidemic"? Which Jon Stewart and others have covered.
You go rape yourself now...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Who wouldn't be happy for both of them to be held responsible! Thanks for working at keeping us divided!
You ain't fucking the right relatives.
http://politicalcompass.org/
Educate yourself. plus look at the historical rankings. There is also a trend towards the top right for both parties.
People know nothing about FDR it's almost as if they are trying to erase him from society's memory; they certainly are trying to undo all his accomplishments. Including restoring Fascism which arguably we've surpassed them (remember it is Italian, not german and democratic Fascism is possible. )
Incorrect news : an error was made during the reporting, but usually that error is due because of the speed the reporting was (e.g. reporting about one of more gunman activities on campus having fired shots), or because the reporter simply made an error.
Hoax new on the other hand, or what they call fake news, is made solely with the intention to lie, misrepresent. They are not a recent invention, mind you, you could probably find some of that as far as the invention of paper. But they took really foothold in the last 20 years, it isn't only with 2016 that it became apparent. But it became a real problem in the last year.
See a democracy is supported by voter being informed. An informed voter then take a decision to chose a politician based on that information. The problem is, when those voter are basing their information on what is mostly hoax.... Then democracy dies a little. It does not matter if the mis information is left, right, trump, hilary, Merkel, pizzagate or about santa's elf. If voter base their vote on that....
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
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"Trump nominated a ONE OF THE TOP NEUROSURGEONS IN THE WORLD AND A GUY WHO IS DAMN SIGHT SMARTER THAN I AM who thinks dietary supplements can cure cancer, AIDS and multiple sclerosis to be the next Secretary of Housing and Urban Development." FTFY
A: He didn't nominate him for surgeon general
B: Remember Pellagra, Beriberi, Scurvy, Rickets etc? Probably not because no one in developed countries gets them because they are all easily cured by vitamins. Cancer and MS both potentially have features that behave similarly to a vitamin deficiency, but until we understand what chemical compound it is and how it works, it seems like trivializing deadly diseases, just like the diseases I mentioned above did to people who lived with those diseases before they were eliminated by vitamins.
http://listverse.com/2012/03/1...
Also, the cure for cancer is at least in part based on the Hunza mountain people who live an average of 120 plus years and do not get cancer. Ever. Their tribe likely was the real life seed of truth behind the legend of Shangri-La an earthly paradise where people live forever. Why they don't get cancer is what everyone wants to know and the jury is still out, but you can't argue with their lifespans. The problem with cancer at least in part is it appears that the diet of your entire life plays a key role in when or if you will get it, so testing a potential vitamin cure is problematic at best.
http://www.shughal.com/health-...
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Had the unwanted child of a drug user NOT BEEN BORN he would never have existed to attack The Family Research Council.
Had he been taken from his lousy parents and given to proper parents (by government) he may not have become that nutty.
At least the man attacked the organization who fights to create people like him.
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Fake News prompted the US to 'Self-Investigate' Iraq for WMD's - perhaps we should ban practically all of our newspapers for peddling such dangerous/wacky conspiracy theories?
The only "fake news" is that these pedophile rings aren't real.
Setting aside this undoubted idiot with the gun, I see everyone one here laughing at the conspiracy nuts believing Pizzagate - is it now settled that there's nothing to it? It doesn't seem at all clear to me that it can all just be dismissed, if the evidence I've seen and read about is genuine. I'm not saying I know either way, but there were some highly unpleasant pictures from that pizza place, and the emails from Podesta - why is it suddenly considered crazy to think something untoward was going on?
Mashiki, you have repeatedly posted this conspiracy theory to Slashdot, claiming it to be true and backed up by convincing evidence. You complained bitterly that the "mainstream media" wasn't giving it enough attention, only the real journalists on the trumped up blogs you read were. You were completely suckered in and swallowed the lie whole.
So if you are worried about protection from people who have a mental illness that makes them susceptible to this kind of manipulation through fake news, perhaps you should start by getting some help yourself.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
So, you come to Slashdot to get the meaty tech news. But when someone offers alternate news of a different type, you call it "fake" news.
It's obvious that none of the "fake" news posters here have done any research on the subject. That makes you idiots.
It's sad how a little learning can be a dangerous thing. You're calling Ben Carson stupid but he's a brain surgeon. You guys consider
yourselves smart because you know computers, but you don't know shit about the real netherworld of dirty politics and vice.
You're the bag of deplorables who voted for the Clinton CrimeLords.
That's one less nutcase out on the streets
Well, fake news is what got Trump elected, innit? And seeing the Hillary won the popular vote, I would have to agree, people who believe it are in the minority, they are simpletons AND they are mentally ill.
This case also shows how dangerous stupid white men with guns are.
It's very funny how despite the blatant changes in logos. Changes to their profiles, and outstanding evidence, the media keeps on pushing that this is a 'debunked' conspiracy theory. No surprise, since all the players are in big positions, and a CTR founder.
Please look up all the cases agaisnt sysadmins who found child pornography on top NASA and FBI computers. The people that got fucked over were the sysadmins. If this has happened before, why does everyone disregard pizzagate, WHEN ALL THE EVIDENCE IS THERE.
Seriously, at least research it.
If anyone is trying to revise history, it's you.
Yes it was Reagan.
No, it wasnt a democratic congress.
No, the democrats in congress at that time could not be considered progressive (much as you like to use the word as an invective).
Deinstitutionalization began in California, just before Reagan became governor. It was a response to a set of legitimate problems, originally as a concept of trying to get patients into more local care, with less federal and state funding. But that didnt happen, patients instead began ending up on the streets or in privately run (for profit) facilities.
And then Reagan as governor continued it, expanded it, oversaw the increasing privatization of it, and got paid by the people who profited off of the privatization.
At the national level, Carter and the Congress (the one you mistakenly say was to blame...) crafted a law, just before Reagan became president, to roll back deinstitutionalization, and provide federal funding to be gin getting a handle on the growing problem.
and Reagan along with a Republican controlled Congress killed the law as soon as he became president.
From American Psychosis:
In November 1980, Republican Ronald Reagan overwhelmingly defeated Jimmy Carter, who received less than 42% of the popular vote, for president. Republicans took control of the Senate (53 to 46), the first time they had dominated either chamber since 1954. Although the House remained under Democratic control (243 to 192), their margin was actually much slimmer, because many southern “boll weevil” Democrats voted with the Republicans.
One month prior to the election, President Carter had signed the Mental Health Systems Act, which had proposed to continue the federal community mental health centers program , although with some additional state involvement. Consistent with the report of the Carter Commission, the act also included a provision for federal grants “for projects for the prevention of mental illness and the promotion of positive mental health,” an indication of how little learning had taken place among the Carter Commission members and professionals at NIMH. With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states. The CMHC program had not only died but been buried as well. An autopsy could have listed the cause of death as naiveté complicated by grandiosity.
President Reagan never understood mental illness. Like Richard Nixon, he was a product of the Southern California culture that associated psychiatry with Communism. Two months after taking office, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley, a young man with untreated schizophrenia. Two years later, Reagan called Dr. Roger Peele, then director of St. Elizabeths Hospital, where Hinckley was being treated, and tried to arrange to meet with Hinckley, so that Reagan could forgive him. Peele tactfully told the president that this was not a good idea. Reagan was also exposed to the consequences of untreated mental illness through the two sons of Roy Miller, his personal tax advisor. Both sons developed schizophrenia; one committed suicide in 1981, and the other killed his mother in 1983. Despite such personal exposure, Reagan never exhibited any interest in the need for research or better treatment for serious mental illness.
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California has traditionally been on the cutting edge of American cultural developments, with Anaheim and Modesto experiencing changes before Atlanta and Moline. This was also true in the exodus of patients from state psychiatric hospitals. Beginning in the late 1950s, California became the national leader in aggressively moving patients from state hospitals to nursing homes and board-and-care homes, known in other states by names such as group homes, boarding homes
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Honestly, at this point, since BlueStrat and Mashiki keep consistently posting the same wrong information, I must conclude they are in fact the same person.
Reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Senate Majority: Republican (first time since the 50s)
House Majority: Democratic, but with a big caveat: the majority of southern democratic delegates were Boll Weevil democrats who voted with the Republicans (a continuation of the southern democrats, dixiecrats, etc, who simply hadn't gone over to the republican party in the 70s as part of Nixon's successful southern strategy)
So no, Democrats did NOT have control of congress.
And, the previous congress, which WAS Democrat controlled, actually voted to try and fix the deinstitutionalization mess, passing the Mental Health Systems Act, which was then signed into law by Pres. Carter about a month before the 1980 election.
It was this Act that Reagan, along with the GOP controlled Senate, then killed and repealed wholesale (all but the patients' bill of rights) in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981.
So again: you, like BlueStrat, are wrong on all counts.
So I'll take my $200, thank you very much.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
some off the wall liberal calling for common sense pizza control.
Drooling Moron that believe everything and has no understanding about safety or even proper etiquette goes on a ego building adventure and finally gets what he needs from the police.
The dude is a mental patient that needs serious help and because of how unstable he is needs to have firearms removed from his possession. Sorry but if you are that much of a headcase, you do NOT need to own guns.. There are laws in place that already state this.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
First, even though this is a conspiracy theory, there is some historical fact on which it is based. This goes back to the days of Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd engaging in the waitress sandwich. No prizes for pointing out the obvious hypocrisy. But the second and much much larger problem is how non-law-enforcement citizens are increasingly engaging in vigilantism. This case is that of one person but when one group decides to target the livelihood of a person because that person won't toe the group's ideological line, that's a very very dangerous behavioral pattern.
If we all agree that de-institutionalizing the mentally ill was a mistake, can we skip the blaming step and just come up with the money to at least get us back to the state things were before that time when it happened due to nobody's fault? And since we all agree that "it" is a good idea, there shouldn't be a problem paying for it, right?
I know this is completely untenable, but there should a license to get online.
There should be training, perhaps like going through drivers ed or hunters ed, to get a license to get on the internet.
These dipshits, these FB idiots who believe every bizarre and completely unverified story or anecdote they see online should not have the ability to even be there in the first place.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
I find it incredible that so many people deny all the evidence relating to conspiracies!
What is harder to believe? That conspiracies dont exist, or that they do exist? conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful
It is literally impossible that conspiracies don't exist and the people who control the sources of power in the world have their own private agendas which include illegal activities. Really, people need to pull their heads out and grow up.
Is the mass media responsible for fabricating stories and inciting riots? Seems to me the media routinely fans the flames of racial division by releasing false information.
Remember the Charlotte riots? The media first reported that Keith Scott was unarmed. This was a major factor that led to the riots. Turns out, Keith Scott was armed. Is this a case of media fabrications causing riots?
In the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown, the media first reported that Brown was on his knees with his hands up. Turns out, that was another media fabrication which also led to riots.
In the Ahmed Mohamed clock incident, the media first reported that Ahmed was just building a clock, as a project for his electronics class, but the principal called the police because Ahmed was a Muslim. Turns out, that was another media fabrication. Ahmed used a clock that he bought at a department store, along with a briefcase and other props, to make a fake bomb. In a post-Columbine world, what should the principal have done? What if it had been a bomb? BTW: although he was richly rewarded for this stunt, Ahmed has been posting extremely anti-American rants: he called the 9/11 attacks self defence, he supports BLM, and much more.
When George Michael Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin, the media first posted photos of an 11 year old Trayvon. Months after the incident, some people still believed that Zimmerman attacked a small child, which was not the case. Trayvon was an athletic 5'11" and 160 lbs. and was beating the snot out of Zimmerman. Maybe Zimmerman was not justified in shooting Trayvon, but Trayvon was not an 11 year child, and the media tried to insinuate.
It is not as if there have never been sexual predators in DC.
Wiener is clearly a pervert, and his wife was Hillary's top aid. Hillary's husband has admitted to hundreds of affairs, and disgraced himself while in office. Lots of sexual weirdos seem to surround Hillary.
Has anybody looked at Podesta's emails from wikileaks? Even Podesta does not deny that those are his emails. Podesta is also a collector of perverted "art."
If you look at the emails, it is very clear that they are using some kind of code. I do not know what the code means. But a lot of terms, including "pizza" are used out of place.
I won't just to conclusions here. I am keeping an open mind. I would encourage others to do the same.
Yes - and the liberals get caught in a loop where they believe that an endless stream of money exists to hand out and support different programs. And the environment is on fire leading to environmental terrorism.
It isn't just a Conservative problem. Liberals get stuck in the same loop. I think -- *People* get stuck in a loop and their personal bias skews the information presented.
I love how talk radio hosts make things up too. "I can't find anything disproving this - so ... I don't know... this might be true" Nothing proving a negative so it must be true.
Decide for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVSA2Jjelo
search for podesta and pizza in https://wikileaks.org/
If you think this isn't code for child trafficking, what ELSE could it be? Check this for help understanding as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2y419rx20&t=5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVSA2Jjelo
REAL children are suffering, how can you all be so cavalier to ignore the issue just because it seems so unlikely. Like the DNC would never rig the system against Bernie, wait that did happen.
Donald Trump is a racist and want's to kill Brown people. So mobs of people go around beating the shit out of anyone wearing a red hat. Sure you can beat the shit out of that old homeless black lady. She has a red hat so she is a racist.
Yes. Unreal news and irresponsible journalism only works one way.
Britain currently has a scandal of mass child rape at football club coaching units. Now the sheeple are told that they were naive and unaware of 'child abuse risks' in the 1990s, so it is their fault. Funny cos during the terrible child abuse scandals of the 1960s, then 1970s, then 1980s (all at facilities run or encouraged by the British government), the people at the time were told their kids were making FALSE ACCUSATIONS, then decades later when the abuse was admitted, the same sheeple were told it was their fault for being naive and unaware about child abuse risks at the time.
It is a proven FACT that both the Clinton monsters prefered to spend their social time with convicted child mass rapists- mass rapists who provided children for the sexual use of their guests- and their guests included the Clintons. Clinton's closest advisors had emails leaked that clearly used coded language to refer to child abuse. To cover this up, state actors (using outlets like 4chan) began a campaign of a type known as 'poisoning the well'- in other words subverting true evidence by conflating it with wild nonsense.
In the UK, the most powerful Jew, Greville Janner, (now burning in hell or rotting in Israel) was the head of the British Board of Jewish deputies as well as a Member of Parliament. He was an active cheer-leader for every Israeli atrocity in Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and Iran. He was also a lifelong pedophile- using his 'hobby' as a magician to get close to the young boy children he desired. His closest friends in his home city of leicester were some of the worst State employed child abusers in Britain's history (Google Frank Beck- but be warned you'll throw up). Though witnesses made complaints about Jenner all across his career, they were dismissed in just the same way as the abuse by Clinton and her mates is being dismissed today. Jenner, like Clinton, had the back of Israel, and powerful Friends of Israel in the media had his back. The owners of Slashdot are just part of this circle.
'Fake news' is another word for FACTS the owners of Slashdot don't want you sheeple knowing about!
Literally none of the story is true. Not only did the whole thing start as an online hoax by pranksters, but the images in the supposed Instagram are from people who "liked" the pizza restaurant's page. None of the "FBI charts of code words" are from the FBI. None of the information that the #pizzagate morons point to is true. It is 100% false.
Here is a comprehensive, detailed rundown with citations on the history of this hoax and whether a single fact or assertion about pizzagate has been proven true or is possible to be proven true:
http://www.snopes.com/pizzagat...
The fact that we need a "comprehensive, detailed rundown with citations " in order to recognize that this is complete and utter bullshit is why we have failed as a society.
oldhack: "Security is a waste of money until shit hits the fan. 5 minutes later, it becomes waste of money again. "
It is completely irrelevant whether conspiracies exist or not, what matters is whether you base your beliefs on solid evidence or not. If you don't base you're beliefs on actual, solid, reliable corroborating evidence, then the chances that your beliefs converge to the truth and that you will ever uncover even just a single real conspiracy will go against zero. That's the difference between an investigative journalist and some conspiracy nut, the journalist will look for actual proof and evidence rather than reading bullshit on blogs from clueless idiots. Sure, there are real conspiracies, but not a single conspiracy theorist has ever uncovered one.
Interesting things to note about this incident:
The suspect in custody is an actor, and has an IMDB page.
The traffic camera(s) that covers the street and intersection where this incident happened were removed/moved one day before the incident.
Almost every article covering this story appeared online hours before the event ever took place. The Washington Post reported that the incident happened around 3pm on December 4th. How is it then that everyone from Anandtech to Above Top Secret on to Democratic Underground and The Gateway Pundit had their article times listed in Google as being posted up to 20 hrs before The Washington Post article on the same day this event took place?
A 4chan user from the UK made a post claiming an incident such as this was going to be reported as happening in a post dated November 30th.
@Mindless Drivel: 100% of Twitter posts ever Tweeted.
Are you being paid for writing these nut posts? Just being curious.
Who happened to walk into a business and shoot because he was goaded on by GOP propaganda spread not just by random trolls, but party leaders. The Republican party has a real mess on its hands. This will not end well.
it wasn't the GOP that baited the bear;
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
Why? If Evil Ronnie did a bad thing why hasn't the dem controlled congress and dem governors in California reversed these bad things.
Probably because it is so much easier to just blame someone else.
Pizzagate isn't fake news, it's a conspiracy theory, meaning that this is fake news. I haven't seen any news outlets do anything but discredit the theory and call the people who believe it lunatics.
Sure, there are real conspiracies, but not a single conspiracy theorist has ever uncovered one.
Sometimes you have to break into an FBI office or release a massive trove of NSA documents to be taken seriously, otherwise you're just a 'conspiracy theorist'.
Problem is, what is an actual investigative journalist these days? Someone like O'Keefe and the videos where he has people admitting to conspiracy on tape? Can you name even one 'investigative journalist' who could be trusted with purveying facts? Can you even say that the news media is even trustworthy when so much of it has been consolidated, leaving only a scattering of independent sources? Oddly enough, it is then these independent sources that get the 'conspiracy theory' label, even when plausible and substantive evidence is presented.
Bottom line, its a fucked up world, and anything is possible as shown by historical fact. Now we have the 'truth' brigade out in full force; Me thinks they dost protest too much.
If we all agree that de-institutionalizing the mentally ill was a mistake, can we skip the blaming step and just come up with the money to at least get us back to the state things were before that time when it happened due to nobody's fault? And since we all agree that "it" is a good idea, there shouldn't be a problem paying for it, right?
The problem is not so much the costs, but in turning back the legal clock, so to speak, and removing rights from the mentally ill. That's a big hurdle and one with many pitfalls and dangers. If taken too far, those people who are merely 'odd', 'unique' or who hold 'unusual' ideological or political beliefs, suffer an isolated bout of depression, temporary PTSD, see a therapist, etc etc could find themselves in a rubber room under heavy sedation. The USSR routinely locked political dissidents away in mental wards.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
100's of 1,000's of dollars worth of 'contributions' to a small shop from Obama, Clinton, Soros, Podesta + others in that obviously satanic clique (Maria Abramovic is the ringmaster of that part - practically Aleister Crowley reincarnated)?
* The ONE record that's ALWAYS without fail ACCURATE, is taxes & money!
(Come on - THAT kind of level of money? Money for 'hotdogs' (yea, right), 'pasta' (yea, right) & 'pizza parties'? Please. They like 'pizza' that much? I know what kind of pizza they mean, & it's not Italian food!
PopeRatzo - Are YOU one of their "clientele" by any chance??
APK
P.S.=> Explain that - I can: They're sick bastards & satanic cult types that abused little kids (sick fucks)... apk
Make me think of the Foundation series.
You actively promote cyber-eugenics - only those that I deem worthy are entitled to unfettered access to information (both quality and shit).
You are a boil on the internet's buttocks, sir!
Why don't you encourage compulsory indoctrination before permitting people to breed too?
The ignorant will always be among us - get used to it, and let them live too.
Maybe they, in their own turn, will let ignorant you live too when the tide turns.
Makes you wonder how many more of those (armed) airheads are out there...
"Fake News Prompts Riots in Major Cities Across the US".
Oh, wait. I forgot that the logic is only applied in one direction.
The election was rigged: "We should totally investigate that, If there's nothing to it the investigation won't turn anything up".
There is a pedophile ring: "Why are these morons listening to fake news, we should ignore it completely".
Statisticians make their studies meaningful only when their data is controlled for other risk factors.
It's an inconvenient fact that members of some races are more likely to become violent offenders than members of other races. To properly control for this, one should measure the degree of police racism by asking: are violent offenders of race X significantly more likely to be shot by cops than violent offenders of race Y?
But CNN et. al. never report the answer to this question. They just provide 24/7 coverage of, for example, rioting in Ferguson, thereby fanning the flames of racial division in ways that the president-elect never has and never will.
See subject: You're the "disinfo agent" PopeRatzo impersonating me DAYS later & NO DENYING that Clinton, Podesta, Soros, Obama & others contributed that money to Comet PingPong in Pizzagate! Your attempt @ disinformation (which you accused the REAL me, meaning me, of) failed right there.
APK
P.S.=> VERY pitiful & weak... apk