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James Damore Sues Google For Allegedly Discriminating Against Conservative White Men (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: The author of the controversial memo that upended Google in August is suing the company, alleging that white, male conservatives are systematically discriminated against by Google. James Damore was fired as an engineer after a manifesto questioning the benefits of diversity programs was widely passed around the company. In a new lawsuit, he and another fired engineer claim that "employees who expressed views deviating from the majority view at Google on political subjects raised in the workplace and relevant to Google's employment policies and its business, such as 'diversity' hiring policies, 'bias sensitivity,' or 'social justice,' were/are singled out, mistreated, and systematically punished and terminated from Google, in violation of their legal rights."
About damn time. Let's see if the courts are as willing as social media platforms to allow racism and discrimination as long as it's against the "right" people.
You're feeding the troll!
Reverse racism doesn't exist you white bigot.
Would an incoherent barely literate black man with kids by 3 different women and a life time of Bankruptcies even have the opportunity to collude with Russia to steal the election?
No.
Only white men get such accolades and accomplishments in despite being barely literate and showing clear signs of dementia, to say nothing of committing treason in such a public and obvious way.
Awkward disruptive misfits are discriminated against at Google. And everywhere else.
Look out there, Mr., because President Oprah is coming for you.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Google was not only wrong to fire him, but Google's CEO Sundar Pichai should be fired for being inept. The man is fucking up Google in the worst possible ways.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I didn't know they were a protected class.
It's a bout time that an ignorant aggrieved white person claim reverse racism as in a thinly veiled white supremacist campaign to further discriminate against and harm minorities.
I agree with President Trump who has committed multiple felonies in his treasonous collusion with Russia's attack on our country, yet walks free and is continuing his crime spree.
As he and Jeff Sessions continue the age of Jim Crow / Mass Incarceration of minorities we should all be saying "White people are the true victims of the racism that our society subjects minorities to."
Shorter Damore: "I've given up on actually earning a living"
Was Damore forced to bake a cake, a gay wedding cake, or was he allowed to self-deport and make Mexico pay for it?
From the suit: "employees who expressed views deviating from the majority view at Google on political subjects raised in the workplace and relevant to Google's employment policies and its business, such as 'diversity' hiring policies, 'bias sensitivity,' or 'social justice,' were/are singled out, mistreated, and systematically punished and terminated from Google, in violation of their legal rights." So, Google has internal policies to, say, promote "diversity" and this a-hole doesn't like it, raises a big stink causing huge PR problems for Google just so he can claim his SJW cred and we're supposed to feel sorry for him? No. Any employees of mine who went around bad-mouthing my company would find themselves out of a job pretty god-damned quickly. And, NO - there is no law preventing an employer from firing someone for being an asshole.
Not employing someone who passes around sexist memos under some guise of "bettering the workplace" doesn't mean they single you out. And not being sexist or being pro-diversity are not political positions. It just so happens that the sexist, racist, and otherwise negatively prejudiced people tend to be conservative. As you should always do when making a statement like that, remember: Correlation does not equal Causation.
At least that is the direction I would bet. :)
When you are out looking for work, I can guarantee at some point in the process your name will be typed into google. Every manager I have dealt with in the past decade does this, and will even admit to it, if you pour a couple of drinks into them before you ask.
This is not the kind of fame you want linked to your name, forever.
I happen to think that there are fewer women in tech jobs, because there are fewer women who want tech jobs, but I am not stupid enough to say it out loud.
First law of people: People are generally stupid.
I work with a generally older male crowd, and some of them are quite vocal about their views on gender. Some are borderline MRA/MGTOW types, having been taken to the cleaners in divorces, etc. None are old enough to be adults back in the 50s when barely any married woman worked outside the home, but certainly some are old enough to look upon that time with nostalgia. The major thing that separates these guys from Mr. Damore is that they don't use company resources to promote their views, and their views don't really affect the work of others. I have to listen to them, but in reality they're no different than your traditional conservative white male talk radio-quoting types. They still do their jobs and don't anger anyone enough to make them complain.
The thing that's different with Google is that I'm sure their legal counsel just told the executives to make the problem go away immediately. No company wants to deal with the expense of a lawsuit and the reputation hit of getting dragged into court because one of their employees is acting like a jerk. I know the company I work for would show me the door in 15 seconds if I personally caused any reputational damage, regardless of how internal the forum was, or how the information was leaked.
What I wonder is why the Aspergers/autism angle wasn't used instead. That's a legitimate protected class. I work with a lot of tech company employees, and outside of the SV startup brogrammer world, there are _a lot_ of non-neurotypical types working for vendors. Once you get below the product managers and feature designer types, the ones doing the super-low level stuff like writing kernel modules and device drivers aren't exactly extroverts. Going after Google for discriminating against disabled people is a lot less clickbait-y than "conservative white males."
Doesn't that mean you can be fired just for being a bag 'o dicks? Damore dicks da better?
Sounds like they need an union! at the very least you can talk about employment policies with out getting canned for it.
since google didn't talk. If they did fire him over his manifesto then yeah, I think it was the wrong thing to do. It was also probably completely legal. There are little or no protections for workers on political grounds. Your politics are not a protected class. There were instances of people being fired for Obama bumper stickers after his election. Ironically Mr Damore's political party (not sure what else to call right wing conservatives) would generally support Google here. The argument goes that the free market should make the decision. If you don't like google's policies, buy from someone else (Bing, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, Alta Vista, etc, etc).
All that said, it's also possible he was fired for some other reason and the bad press he generated was just icing on the cake.
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The concept of "safety" from ideas will now be tested in the legal system. Leaked internal postings showed that co-workers and management justified workplace exclusion and punishment based on the idea that private thoughts threatened the safety of others. Thankfully, Damore has brought the issue to test early enough, before the legal system has been infected by that thinking, that the concept will be thoroughly debunked in court and become legal precedent.
You didn't read the memo, did you?
1/10, that's the best I can give you.
Damore has the right to sue, but Google has the right to terminate those that are disruptive to their company (unless protected class now includes a-holes). The lawyers will be the winners.
Realistically, once the memo spread within Google, there was no way Damore would have been able to be a productive collaborative team member, since so many would refuse to work with him, and the company was forced to immediately respond to protect the greater good and control the damage.
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-updates/pages/employment-at-will-in-california.aspx
If he isn't in a union, he doesn't have much protection from being let go.
Yes, this sounds like a rich right wing donor funding this case to try and make a point to disrupt society, just like Gawker.
Why does he need to worry about working again, after Google pays him $2 million to go away? Any time a firing is that hasty you know process mistakes were made that his lawyers can exploit.
I'd be more worried about your ability to get hired on at startups he helps fund in the future.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Any small business is run based on the personality of the boss. If you don't get along, you're gonna be let go.
Any moderately sized or larger company is going to have a 'corporate culture' document, if one finds themselves falling out of line with it, chances are pretty good they'll find themselves unemployed as well.
This is not that hard to understand is it?
Which part of the memo was sexist?
...as an engineer after a manifesto questioning the benefits of diversity programs....
His manifesto did not question the benefits of the diversity program. It questioned its fficacy -- in other words, he questioned if Google could achieve more diversity by structuring the program differently.
And that's a very big difference. I really hate the level of journalism being thrown at this topic, here and everywhere else.
Sure, discriminating against race, gender or politics is bad.
Discriminating against someone who's being an asshole is not. That's just normal human relations. I suspect that's what's going on here.
Someone's politics are irrelevant to your ability to do a job. Being extremely vocal about politics (i.e. being asshole-ish) is relevant, because then nobody wants to talk to you. There's a reason why politics is a taboo subject for small/office talk. Someone who doesn't recognize or abide by social norms is not suitable for a job pretty much anywhere.
I read it in its entirety. Im also more willing to recognize sexism than most people in tech it seems. Im not sure why everyone in these comments that disagrees with him is getting modded with "troll". Did slashdot turn into r/TD while I was away?
SJWs are nothing but liers and militant jackbooted leftists. They are so happy to take the government boot to your neck when it is something *they* agree with. lets see if they learned the danger of being statists when other "theys" take the government boot to *their* thoat. didnt think this out, did you?
Burn it down, James! For America to live, Google must die
He wasn't fired for being white, he wasn't even fired for his political views, he was fired for spouting off at work and thus causing a lot of internal strife. You can believe whatever you want, but you can't say whatever you want at work.
There are a number of different lists but a pretty good example of why James Damore has a decent chance at legal victory is here.
If he Google were anywhere else but California he probably would not be able to win. But then again, if Google were any place other than California he would not have been fired...
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The most downtrodden minority in history. No political power. No wealth. Gotta fight to earn every bit of respect.
The man is fucking up Google in the worst possible ways.
What tangible metric can you show that Google has been hurt by this?
As far as I call, this is a lot of smoke, noise but no fire.
Has Chrome usage gone down because of people being outraged over this? Are companies looking to alternative to AdWords/Analytics? Are sales of Android phones dropping? What about Google Home devices? How has the stock been affected?
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He was on a PragerU video talking about how a baker ought to be able to not serve a customer based on their sexual orientation because of the baker's beliefs about gay people. If that's true, then Google ought to be able to fire him for his (extremely flawed, dubious) beliefs.
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A Conservative White Man is unhappy and seeking redress?
Google should just find a way to cut his (and only his) taxes. As long as a Conservative White Man gets a tax cut, it doesn't matter what else happens. He'll be happy, problem solved forever.
Citation: Everything about 2017.
In case you are wondering, "Who is this cuck James Damore?" here he is, pictured with two normal-sized men, for scale:
https://www.dreuz.info/wp-cont...
Damore denies allegations made by the two men in the photograph that it was taken shortly after they spitroasted him in a Google break room.
You are welcome on my lawn.
This kind of shit was going on when Marissa Mayer was at Google. Check out "I'm Feeling Lucky: The Confessions of Google Employee Number 59" by Douglas Edwards.
Conservative is not. As one of those snowflakes I would like it to be, but those sort of worker protections have been shot down by (ironically) white, conservative men...
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Please, do not settle for non-disclosure agrrement, not even if they offer you a billion dollars.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
Let's mod this racist trash up to +5 and continue modding down accurate and insightful comments.
We are terrible and it's all white.
Who, contrary to what many would have us believe, are the real snowflakes.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Believe it or not there is a lot of sexism in the tech industry and Google is not obliged to protect sexist bros. On the other hand many of its executives seem to be enamored with sex trafficking because they see women like objects. That probably deserves more attention. (i.e. here http://www.newsweek.com/metoo-... )
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There is a very small number of specific protected classes, philosophy, as long as you do not classify it as a religion, is not one of them, similarly politics is not as well. Unless you are directly firing someone because they voted wrong, and just generally firing them because they are aligned to the wrong party, it is legal.
This is the worse hypocrisy the government has ever institutionalized, but there it is. They need to either make it legal to discriminate agaist someone because of any reason you want to give or make it illegal to discriminate for any reason other the measurable job performance.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
According to the Santa Clara Superior Court's website, Damore's lead attorney is Harmeet Kaur Dhillon.
Dhillon's Wikipedia entry says she is the former vice chairman of the California Republican Party, and the National Committeewoman of the Republican National Committee for California. An article from the San Francisco Daily Journal posted on Dhillon's website says she is a former American Civil Liberties board member.
On March 9, the Wall Street Jounal reported that she was being considered to run the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Department of Justice. She apparently interviewed with both Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, but was not offered or did not accept the job.
DuckDuckGoing her leads to lots of articles about her politics and personal life, but nothing about how many cases she has won. I bet Google will be represented by attorneys who have spent more time litigating and less time politicking.
Lots of people face serious problems in America today that are linked specifically to their skin color, level of wealth, medical issues, sexual orientation, gender identity etc.
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If you read, its not about discriminating against white men, its about discriminating against conservatives.
It was not a "manifesto", let alone an anti-diversity one. That's what it was called in the media. Big difference.
Political views are not protected classes under employment law. He can certainly argue that it had to do with him being white or male, but that's going to be a steep hill to climb given a lot of the diversity reports issued by companies like Google show they're dominated primarily by white men. Assuming he is autistic, if he didn't tell anyone at Google he was autistic, that argument wouldn't really fly either.
I disagree with pretty much everything the guy said in his little manifesto, but I still think Google is in the wrong on this one. If he wanted to sue under the NLRA, claiming that he was targeted for discussing working conditions, he would have a much better chance of winning. Though my own experience with the NLRB is that 1) they have their own set of internal rules that only they can see, which are often very different from what is on their own website, and 2) if you appeal the initial rejection (which is almost a given), they won't even bother reading it; they'll just make like a college kid trying to write a book report the night before and read a few sentences off of a page, looking for some specific item they can reference, to give the impression they read it.
Regardless, Google is just going to do what large companies always do in situations like this and have their team of lawyers make it so expensive that he will be forced, for financial reasons, to take some pittance of a settlement (probably with NDA and non-disparagement strings attached) long before it ever gets to trial. Google effectively has unlimited funds to throw at this lawsuit, while this guy is presumably living on unemployment and savings, which will dry up pretty quickly if your'e paying $500/hr for a lawyer, plus other expenses. Even if the law firm took it pro bono or on contingency, there will come a point where it just doesn't make financial sense for them any longer.
OK maybe if your a conservative it might be relevant if your applying to a liberal think tank or the DNC. But otherwise why are we filtering out people based on any sort of political viewpoint? I hope this progresses against Google, because they certainly show a lot of discrimination in many forms.
Google doesn't discriminate against conservative white men. It discriminates against people who create a hostile work environment by sending around racist screeds, regardless of their color, gender, or ideology. This will be laughed out of court.
Yes it is still a racist screed even if it's scientific racism and regardless of how scientifically correct or incorrect it was. We've been through this.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
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Republicans keep claiming liberals are calling them Nazis, but this from Ryan Mac of Buzzfeed news:
So. There you go. Damore thinks Conservatives are Nazis (all the more worrying as he publically identifies with the former.)
Damore is not a good person. He's an extremist who knows how to couch his arguments in a cloak of faux-rationality. Those of us on the left have been trying to warn those of you susceptible to his arguments that he's not actually being honest. Maybe we shouldn't care, but I really don't actually want anyone fooled by this nonsense.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
"Damore's complaint will not be about whether he was discriminated against as a white person, a man, or a conservative, or whether the company had a right to let him go as an "at-will" worker.
"Rather, the provision governs what workers are allowed to talk about in the workplace about pay, conditions, promotions, and other practices. The law was crafted to protect the right of union organisers to discuss pay rates with their colleagues, and more recently to protect anyone asking questions at work about who gets paid what, and why."
http://www.businessinsider.com/james-damore-may-win-nlra-legal-case-google-2017-8
"James Damore Sues Google For Allegedly Discriminating Against Being an Ass"
I hear various farms around the world use donkeys still. James Damore, the horrible person that he clearly is, would probably enjoy the working life of a donkey.
Apparently so-called "conservatives" are just another sub-type of liberal.
Without talking to guy, I bet I can guess: is Damore a Republican? That would explain a lot. Many Republicans are pretending to be conservative these days. To some people, the words are treated like synonyms. This is in spite of the fact that most Republicans are left of Democrats (e.g. they favor deficit spending, making the federal government more powerful, etc).
I know nobody is going to believe this, but some people in the media have even been referring to president Trump as a conservative. (As if he has any political opinions at all, and even if he did have political opinions, the pretense is that they would be right-of-center.)
Private companies often have political views such as "diversity", and if you badmouth or go against such a policy, you are going against company policy, and can be terminated. It's not illegal in the general sense to have politics-related policy in a private company.
Lets flip this. What if a big oil co. had the policy that climate change is a hoax or unproven, and any employee who states otherwise on company time is terminated.
Employees are not typically protected by free-speech laws at work. You may argue the laws should be changed, but as they are now, the co. mostly dictates what you can talk about at work.
As far as what it "should be", as a compromise I personally would like to see a limit on the penalty to say 2 weeks without pay for the first offense, and termination on the second. It's probably easier to pass such at the state level.
Table-ized A.I.
By which you mean "assholes, idiots, and morons who wish to defend their rights to be assholes, idiots, and morons".
Look, just because you want to be a dick, and you think it's perfectly normal to be a dick, it doesn't mean everyone else wants to put up with you being a dick, or that corporate policies have to be changed to accommodate you being a dick.
You do have free speech, and you do have a legal right do be a douchebag. But that doesn't mean you should expect to be a douchebag without consequences.
Boo fucking goddamned mother fucking hoo.
I'm pretty sure when they were giving him this training they also included "at the end of the day, there's simply some things we won't tolerate".
It's important to remember, he wasn't fired for being a 'conservative white male', he was fired for being an asshole.
James might sue
Looking forward to this one.
Aww, he's the victim and now it's a problem. How cute. Welcome to the America you created you stupid neocon
... your politics. If you're working in a majority liberal company, and want to piss everyone off by printing out and distributing a conservative manifesto, you're probably going to get in trouble for it. You're opinions aren't protected.
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He caused google to get bad press.
No, he did not. The leaker did.
You always have responsibility for your thoughts and views.
I've not read Salon and the likes but you might need to read some more from serious people who do not share your views, because if you think the memo was written be some enlightened bro who knows enough about gender bias to say something intelligible then you are sadly mistaken. I'm sure his memo struck some chords in your heart, but it doesn't matter if most of it was bullshit.
Saying stupid shit gets you fired if the wrong person hears it, that sucks, I'm not sure I think it should be that way but it sadly is.
enough said.
Strom Thurmond joined the GOP because Goldwater promised to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Reagan made his speech supporting segregation at the Neshoba County Fair. Trump expressly twittered his fond sympathy for the White Pride movement.
Not to mention Trent Lott, who had a sad that Thurmond wasn't elected president, Nixon who promised to end school desegregation, and Roy Moore, famed hypocrite and fraud.
We don't need to tackle every issue under the sun. Damore is an idiot. Stop There.
If you become very vocal against your corporate culture, you are living on borrowed time. Either you will call it quits, or they will sideline you, or you will be fired, or you will be considered rogue and dangerous.
You can differ with your corporate culture but keep it quiet. If you can't do that then leave. Have that much respect for yourself.
Damore calling this discrimination against Conservative, white males is just special pleading and whining. He's an idiot. Nothing more needs to be said.
Doesn't the fact that you are clearly racist, and clearly a republican refute your own claim?
I know you couch it in the terms of falsely aggrieved white folks who were discriminated against for being bigoted assclowns in the workplace.
But you are obviously racist and a republican, and are proving yourself wrong with your mere existence.
Skimming the complaint, it looks pretty ridiculous. He admits that Google never disciplined him or terminated him for expressing the views before; it was only when they started causing significant disruption that they took the easiest step to stop that disruption, which was firing him.
In this reality the republicans who are clearly still racist in 2017 and continue mass incarceration as Jim Crow 2.0 are actually not racist.
The democrats who are the only party which still supports the civil rights act are the real racists.
Doesn't the fact that you are clearly racist, and clearly a republican refute your own claim?
I know you couch it in the terms of falsely aggrieved white folks who were discriminated against for being bigoted assclowns in the workplace.
But you are obviously racist and a republican, and are proving yourself wrong with your mere existence.
Screaming 'racist' at BREXITers helps Leave win a slender majority in the BREXIT referendum, even though Remain started out ahead.
Screaming 'racist' at Trump supporters helped Trump win the US presidency, even though Clinton started out ahead.
Please keep screaming racist at people, it seems like it's helping my side more than it helps yours.
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This lawsuit is going down in fabulous flames if it ever gets to federal court.
NO WAY the judges who gave us same-sex marriage are going to not discriminate against white conservative cisgendered males.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
So I should what - pretend that you clowns are racist as if that will fix the problem?
Yeah that seems like a perfect response to your misinformation campaign designed to poorly obfuscate the Republican party's ongoing racism.
I should just pretend to not notice that you racist trash belong in the cess pool of History.
Russia's hacking and election tampering campaign affected both Brexit and Moscow Donald's elections.
Let's see if you traitors can win without Russia's help...
Isn't it illegal to discriminate based on gender or race, regardless of what the gender or race is?
Not always: it depends on what your laws say. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms has a clause that specifically outlaws racism and sexism but then allows if for "...any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.". So in Canada, you might be able to argue that it is fine to be racist and sexist against white men...but only if you are doing it to correct some perceived bias.
When you decided that business can force their religious beliefs on their employees, by denying coverage for birth control, then they should be surprised about this. I doubt this has anything to do with the white male part. But likely the conservative part didn't mesh with the beliefs of his employer.
YOU ASSHOLES.
Why don't you pieces of shit just say what you really mean:
Round up the Blacks and Mexicans and Brown People and other 'undesirables' and shoot them in the head. Then strip women of all these ridiculous, inconvenient 'rights', put collars on them, and treat them like the PROPERTY they are, as God intended!
I've got a better idea: we round YOU all up and shoot YOU in the head. Problem solved, and nothing of value is lost.
bully for California. Assuming Google doesn't have documentation for a proper reason to have fired the guy then yeah, light 'em up. Also, adding to my growing list of reasons I want to move to California.
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Funny how this word rarely appears on other headlines...
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After this idiot gets crushed in court, can we finally stop getting front-page posts about everything he does?
You mean the Brexit vote that took down a Conservative prime minister, cut their majority, and which the current prime minister is desperate to slow walk lest it stir up the Troubles again?
Or perhaps the Great Landslde of Trump with a negative -3 million vote lead that he to disband his own commission before it proved he was totally lying about voter fraud?
I support your endorsement of a racist agenda. Make sure to wave a Dixie Flag. Put on a Templar tabard.
If you are a misogynistic closed-minded racist xenophobe in favor of discrimination, do you have legal standing for facing discrimination? Can you claim your discriminatory closed-minded xenophobic racism is something you're born with, not something you choose? Perhaps being xenophobe will become a protected status, and discrimination will be protected as freedom of expression? Is this what Damore is trying to accomplish? It's as dumb as him.
Last time I checked, "douchebag" was not a protected class in the USA. That being said, we should stop enumerating protected classes and just say that legally _nobody_ can be treated differently for differences that don't make a rational difference. He wasn't fired because Google discriminates against backwards white males, he was fired for making stupid bigoted comments that offended many of his coworkers and embarrassed the company as a whole. Rule #1 should be "Don't embarrass the company!", and if you violate that rule, you should expect to be looking for work elsewhere, regardless of whether or not it is explicitly stated in the employee manual.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Corporations are REQUIRED to prevent a hostile workplace disadvantaging women and minorities
Damore created said workplace with his troll
Therefore: Google was legally mandated to fire him
Perfect defense
The guy's a jerk. That's cause for termination. That he's also a white male gets a lot of play around here but he's also a jerk. Google's not a compartmentalized structure of coding cowboys who emerge 24 hours having optimized the key algorithm and saved the day to the swoons of the chicks who previously didn't give nerd-boy any play. The monkey's are generally writing RPC's wrapped in whatever that XML-esque internal markup is. They have to deal with ... gasp ... other people all day long. Some of them are girls, and while girls are stupid they do have a place in the vast interlocking machinery that enables their gargantuan global scale and if you can't turn off the jerkiness there's gonna be problems.
I worked for a BigCorp tm a while back. I killed the coding but the hip young designer rebels didn't really like me - because they were generally miserable or because I didn't go drinking I didn't know and didn't care. Got along fine but when it was over I moved on.
Where this MRA stud poster boy is concerned who the hell wants to stand next to him in an elevator or a cafeteria except the cosplayers who marched in Charlotte? I read the manifesto as at current gig I debate some of the closeted MRA types. He get's the $@ng math wrong. And isn't geek/man enough to have gone back and said "well I still think I'm superior to women but I misinterpreted the studies I'm quoting."
The sad thing is he'll probably get a payout just to go away and then keep making noise because now he's tasted alt-right fame and gets treated like a thinkfluencer. The not sad thing is the expected MRA comment thread. You libertardians can't see past, or mostly play any, sports. You don't have to be racist to be an asshole but it helps. Superior my ass. I know a thin okay looking - to this SWM - 20 something Asian dyke who can code all over your cosplaying asses. And her girlfriend looks like GI Joe.
Now that you have labelled a good majority of everyone as a white supremacist, what is the next step? I will gladly "fuck off" but your social justice friends won't shut up, they come into my industry and cause good companies to go under, they go into the schools and suddenly everyone is transgender and suicidal, they have even ruined comic books. When do you start rounding up your enemies and put them into camps?
We live in a world where an Instagram post about 21 things Whites should stop ruining is allowed to remain posted for a month (so far), but a satirical response entitled 21 things Blacks should stop ruining was taken down within 2 hours. To be fair, I didn't read either list; I just saw excepts (Whites ruined the USA because 60% of White voters voted for Trump, for example).
My company has an internal forum. Someone posted an article about 400+ years of White Privilege and how it's kept down the Black man. I responded that me being a White heterosexual male has not negatively impacted any minority and that I refused to apologize for my race, ethnicity, or gender. I am not responsible for the actions of others. Of course this got a formal write-up because "someone" got offended. I also had to retake Equality Training and warned further offensive posts could result in my termination. What do you do when a class that represents 30% of the workers makes up 65% of leadership?
He wrote a manifesto which claimed that women were biologically less suitable to work at Google. But let's just gloss over the fact that it's a bit ironic that he's claiming discrimination because he was fired for making extremely discriminatory claims.
And let's not forget his social media posts saying how fun the KKK is with it's cool names and if you only let the KKK have cool names, everyone will want to join the KKK.
Everything that Damore wrote was inoffensive and in line with the current social science. However, science stands in opposition to the manufactured panic that is used to justify lawsuits to loot companies, the appointments of diversity officers to loot companies, and suppressing conservatives who won't join the bandwagon.
Damore is not even conservative. They tried to shame him by releasing a photograph of his subbing at the Folsom Street Fair. Conservatives do not go near that.
Why on earth do you think Google would pay an employee to go away?
They wouldn't, Damore is not an employee anymore, he was fired - which is a world of difference.
Why is it you think that discovery will go worse for Google than for Damore?
Because they fired him in a matter of hours. No way does Google want discovery around the kinds of emails that made that happen. Google has been around for a very long time now, the upper echelons of companies that large and rich get mighty strange and hold many dark secrets.
The real question is if Damore will even accept a settlement, he may be in it for the juicy details that can be revealed about the inner workings of Google.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
When your female dissent leads to unemployment that’s Damore!
When your sexist dispute leads to a big lawsuit that’s Damore!
He was asked his opinion in a confidential forum and when it wasn't the right opinion he was outed. That isn't acting like a jerk. There is no opinion you can have that is so bad that you are acting like a jerk, until you, you know, act on it. Confiding your opinion to HR when asked for it, is just being honest. It has been said that we cannot afford to be tolerant of intolerance, but the logical conclusion of that attitude is total annihilation. He has opinions some consider backwards. Let it go. He has the right to be wrong and still do his seemingly mediocre job unmolested.
refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
see here.. Ben Shapiro is quite possibly the least credible source you could have sited. You can probably email the professor sited (or buy/read his books) if you want more sources.
And it happened between today and the _1860s_, not the 1960s. If you only go back 70 years yeah, you won't find evidence, because you didn't go back far enough. But that was the point, wasn't it?
Also, nice straw man. Whether the Ds & Rs switched sides has nothing to do with the reality of the Southern Strategy. The evidence for which comes from Republican strategists who came clean out of guilt. And that's before we start talking about stuff like how our (heavily supported by Republicans) Drug War is basically a round about way to enforce racial segregation or how all those civil war statues the party's so busy defending were put up in the eras of Jim Crow laws.
Seriously, you can't be this naive. You have to know this stuff. You're either being willfully ignorant to preserve a world view that makes you feel good about yourself or your hoping to join 'ole Benny S. in the popular pass time of making money off the working class by selling them political viewpoints that solve nothing but do separate the working class (there's that Southern Strategy rearin' it's ugly head again).
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there's two types of Dem. There's the Corporate Dem, who is just like a Republican in that they serve the ruling class to the detriment of the working class, only they don't hate Gays. Several of these are currently supporting Jeff Session's bid to crack down on State laws legalizing marijuana.
Then there's the Democratic Socialists. The Bernie Bros. I don't see these guys getting anywhere. Nobody wants to pay for something else's medical care. Nobody want to pay for their schools. Sure, you can argue that such things benefit everyone (e.g. we could pay our national debt off in 10 years with the money single payer healthcare would save, look it up). But it still doesn't _feel_ right. Especially with a good chunk of the country bigoted against _somebody_. We're balkanized. We're not Americans. We're White Americans. Black Americans. Gay Americans. Christian Americans. But we're not Americans.
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he deserves it
His post DOES state in some detail his thoughts on the differences between Men and women AND ways to make it MORE inclusive for women by playing to their strengths rather than asking them to act like men. Men and women ARE different, and Viva la difference!
As a white male I can only say - cry me a fucking river...
Don't be such an idiot next time.
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It will cost google less to settle this than to go through the aggravation of trying to defend its politically incorrect political correctness stance.
KILL UGLY
SHIT SKIN
NlGGERS
Be interesting to see if these white male plaintiffs can roll back civil process to before it was made harder to avoid Muslim discrimination lawsuits.
If you voice an opinion publicly that is counter to your companies publicly held statements you will get fired....Racists and misogynists don't get protection from punishment.....what is hilarious is the same dip shits that support right to work rules are probably supporting this moron.
...but until recently (and still, in most places...), "Corporate Culture" tended to be conservative, rather than progressive/liberal.
I have known plenty of engineers in SV who worked at companies like IBM, HP, National Semi, Intel, etc. who faced the exact opposite dilemma: express their political opinions at work, or talk about what a great time they had at the Grateful Dead concert over the weekend, and their career opportunities would be diminished...and they were college-educated white males, too...
I agree. It turns out that every person acts in the interests of their tribe. Some of those are racial/ethnic, some religious, some sexual, and some based in class, region, or caste. But we are not united. America is a giant shopping mall with mall cops and a welfare system. It has fallen apart.
I have enjoyed Billy Roper's writings on balkanization in America.
Alternative Right.
We all want to be with people like us. That means living near, hiring, being hired by, buying from, selling to, dating, marrying, breeding with, befriending, having them as our law enforcement officers and judges, seeing them daily, and having shared cultural standards and mores with them.
Robert Putnam (author of Bowling Alone) had some convincing research on the failure of diversity which explains our balkanized and atomized state:
Alternative Right.
The National Review is being selective and self serving there.
The GOP apologized for race baiting in 2005. The "Southern Strategy" was and still is very real.
http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/15/gop_ignored_black_vote_chairman_says/
James was clearly fired because somebody didn't like him, unfortunately, Google is so high on their own collective aroma that they didn't bother doing what nearly every other company in the world does when it's time to get rid of someone that you don't like. So for Google, I've created a simple cheat sheet on how to fire anyone and get away with it:
* Write him for each and every single violation of policy even if the policy exists only in your mind. A good example of this is when a middle-manager somewhere is butthurt because [problem employee] didn't kiss his ass passionately enough.
* After enough written "warnings", HR will allow you to put the poor bastard on probation for 6 whole months - during which time, any violation of the manager's will can be grounds for termination.
* If anything should happen to go wrong in even the slightest manner, e.g. an argument of any kind, you can just say "James [insert action here] without permission from [insert imaginary authority figure here]".
* If you're especially paranoid and worry about potential legal retaliation, you can even add scary adjectives, such as "negligently" and "carelessly", even if the employee's action was backed up by several pages of empirical evidence - which doesn't matter because you'll delete everything once he's gone.
Your "problem" is now solved.
My Dad asked me why Google is always changing things after some feature in Google Scholar changed - he complained that there wasn't really an alternative and they'd made it harder to use. I explained to him that progressives don't really care about what we'd think of as progress, only constant change, and that anyone who would argue against product changes was likely chased out of the company for thinking the wrong way.
Fuck you, Google.
I suspect that it will be a short case. The plaintiff will claim that he was discriminated against by Google for being conservative, and they will roll out the HR termination paperwork documenting how he was abusing other employees because they weren't white. Google is going to fire anyone who is doing that, regardless of their color or gender because they will be sued by victims of said abuse if they don't. They have a really good motive to insure equality and a harassment workplace - mainly an army of drooling tort lawyers eyeing their bank account totals.
There probably are occasional (but rare) instances of straight white conservative men being discriminated against, but I don't think this is it. All this guy is going to do is insure that he never gets hired again, because what employer is going to hire someone with a history of suing their employers?
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
In any work environment, you, the employee are essentially whoring yourself out for money. You do as your employer instructs, and that is all you get to do. You don't get the luxury of hijacking someone else's company as your own personal mouthpiece and stump to vent to the world all the stupid shit you think. Like this asshat is doing. Good luck with that, wasting other people's time and money for attention. This guy just needs a good ass kicking. That might set him straight.
Everyone who upvotes one of these shitty posts defending this shitty engineer and his shitty attempts to rewrite other peoples' reasoning should be forced to write basic if statements to prove they belong here.
Cos some y'all need to look at the logic you're using and maybe find new careers.
You werent fired because you are a white conservative male. It was because you're a sexist asshole.
What if instead he had said, "Stop acting like we're all the same. Jews have things to contribute, so adapt the workplace to their needs instead of molding it for a virtual template of a generic humanoid that does not exist"?
Is that still okay?
Your righteous indignation has nothing to do with free speech--it's that you happen to agree with his opinions. Things like: "women should do pair programming because they're naturally more social".
Your meltdown is fucking hilarious.
I can't wait until 2020.
The actual definition of conservatism is "a dedication to traditional values and opposition to change or innovation". Sometimes change is bad, sometimes innovation is a dead end. Conservatives are the balance that tames the chaos of unrestrained creativity. It is a boring job but someone has to do it.
refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
because of that grotesque schnoz.
Why are millions of non-whites desperate to move into white countries every year, and not the other way round? Why aren't millions of white people moving to Africa, India and China every year, if we want to be a white minority in a non-white country, which is what ALL white countries are being turned into right now, via mass immigration?
Is here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f6p0...
i mean, i hope the nsa are more benevolent than hilldawg, otherwise he is DEAD MEAT lol
Lesson learnt: Don't employ conservatives.
Monster.com enables recruiters to check a box to "include diversity candidates" to include resumes from their "Diversity and Inclusion network" in search results. They appear to have built a monetized product around this. Can somebody please explain to me how the existence of this checkbox is not discriminatory? https://hiring.monster.com/jcm...
Don't they. Oh, oh, poor widdle me, I aint a minority, but I'm not in charge, it MUST be "the woman" keeping me down, because I'm definitely not at fault!!!! Waaaah!.
James Duhmore..
What a waste of time and money in the court system. A judge will laugh this out of the court. His employment was "at will" in CA. Google can fire anyone, at any time, for any reason. This is purely for a gimmick for exposure. Add to that, that it will appear that he has attached himself to the current conservative movement in Washington DC and a California court is going to treat this like gum at the bottom of a shoe. And don't forget about the current "Time's Up" movement, his ass will be in a sling because that manifesto coupled with the wage comparisons that will surface between Demore and his female peers. He is going to look ridiculous. All a lawyer will have say is" Hey, you're were making 30% more than your female peers for doing the same job, and you were still unhappy. You poor little baby, what else can we do for you since you're so mistreated and misunderstood?"
I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but consider this as well:
Shortsighted and ignorant groupthink prevailed....politicization due to ideological self-identification is the most detrimental force in America. It turns otherwise rational individuals into helpless tools of their own enslavement. What is worse, they scream and cry as they drag everyone down with them. If you're going to destroy yourself and everyone else around you, would you at least shut the fuck up as you do it?
I know that you were directing this at the liberal/progressives, but this should apply to EVERYONE. But that isn't how it works, or has worked. If you're Christian, you are RIGHT and that means you get to trample on other people in the name of your god. [hint: it applies to other religions too, in the same way].
I am sure that all the racists/right-wing/anti-left nutjobs are frothing at the mouth saying "SEE! SEE!" and spreading this around trying to strengthen their position on things. I really find it amusing that people who bitch and moan so much about "snowflakes" are the first ones to get their panties up in a bunch when something isn't what they like.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Anyone who uses the R word, might as well be using the N word. You reveal yourself for the unprincipled person you are, conveniently avoiding 'bad' words yet ignorantly, casually, dropping others equally or more offensive.
After you apologize, stop doing that.
Stop. It.
More proof that anti-straight white conservative discrimination is widespread. Every time I go to a restaurant I always get seated in a whites-only area. When I go to a store, the security people follow me around like I already stoled something! Unlike the blacks, I have to tell my kids to be careful around police so they dont get shot. I have trouble getting a loan or a mortgage and have ZERO representation in goverment! We live in a USA today where the only people who can hold down a job or be in goverment are those with the right dark color of skin!
When will straight white conservatives be given a fair shot?
NEVER!
The endless evidence free whining out of people has palled. It is time to go to court and let the chips fall where they may.
X claims discrimination against Y? Take them to court. Any comment or accusation along these lines that doesn't wind up in court should be ignored.
And if you lost your court case, you were wrong. Your whine fest was about nothing. No one cares. Grow up.
If you win your court case, you were right. Your complaints were righteous and held up in a court of law. We should care. And it is the adult thing to address this behavior and control it going forward to avoid further litigation.
Endless complaints about discrimination going all over the place. Take it to court or be righteously ignored.
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1- Most of Google is white and male. So its a little tough to prove that google discriminates against them.
2- Political belief is not a protected class. AKA Google can discriminate all it wants on the basis of being conservative.
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The Norms is what allows a President to act like a tyrant and enact laws with a wave of their pen.
The problem with Washington is that it acts like it is an Empire and everyone not in Washington are colonials. Ask the Aussies, Indians, Irish or anyone else how it feels to be a colonial in a foreign empire. This is how the rest of America feels towards Washington.
In the end, Trump will have done more to restore American Democracy to its rightful path than any president since Washington.
F the Norms.
The only probable lie that I hear from the left is the size of his inauguration crowd and really, who gives a rat's patootie.
Take everybody who strong believes in their parties, R&D, intern them, while teaching them ACTUAL US history, then when we get done, decide if they should be returned to society, or to the chambers with them!
The burden of proof for alleged discrimination is to stand up and say "I allege discrimination". Discrimination alleged. QED. You have it in writing, on the court transcript.
If Damore is clever enough to work at Google, he's probably clever enough to figure this out, so I predict 100% chance of success in this legal endeavour.
How to Make It So
Unfortunately for Damore, the judge probably will probably award damages on the scale of one piping-hot mocha cappuccino (to be delivered upright, in a protective cup, with a spill-proof lid) and then assign the entirety of Google's legal costs to the plaintiff (Damore begins to faint), up to—but not exceeding—two hours of a discount public defendant, one H1-B dry-cleaning bill (it's just a second day job to pay the bills for an underfunded moonlight startup), and two cross-town Ubers (Damore perks up again like he just received a Mia Wallace special spiked with Adderall).
Google, with a driven corporate culture of work to completion, immediately delivers the requisite coffee to Damore, who expresses no surprise. (The inventor of Google Glass cut his teeth packing a fully articulated pop-up espresso machine into a svelte, feminine attache case—on his seventh of fifteen interviews.)
Judge raps gavel.
Damore approaches bench, profusely thanks his lordship, and pretends to forget his fancy coffee on the judge's bench.
Judge: Well, well, look what the bailiff brought me ...
Judge glowers dramatically at Google's counsel (all twelve), Morse-coding "should I drink this?" with his bushy eyebrows.
One of the sharper members of Google's half-and-half gender-balanced legal dream team (who happens to be a man) recognizes the Morse code gesture (it's a man thing), and Morses back with a precisely calibrated locker-room shrug "go ahead, it's just coffee, we're not quite that petty, you old toad".
That was extremely respectful, all things considered. The legal costs award will barely pay for his morning aftershave, which he seems to consume at twice his previous rate now that Google hires twice as many women, not that it improves his win rate, on either score, not one little bit.
has been hanging out with ethnically and culturally mixed people since I was in diapers, I would disagree with you good sir.
Personally I get along better with any average black person than I do with the average while person, despite being white myself. And you know part of the reason why? Because most white people are closeminded assholes. While I have found many people of other races intellectually lazy, fewer, especially those who came to the US willingly, intending on cultural integration, are as closeminded on a variety of subjects as the average white person is. That is not to say on specific topics they are not, usually on how important obeying authority versus avoiding authority is (usually due to how corrupt law enforcement or government was accepted to be in their former country.) Some follow all the rules to the letter, others tend to bend/break the rules because the shakedown of fines/bribes is just a part of life.
Here. This is not about white men having it horrible in the country or Sillicon Valley in general. It's about specific comments and actions by specific people. Just like in the case of a lady who got awarded a million for spilling McD coffee on herself, there is more here than meets the eye. It's up to court to sort it out and hopefully deliver a just resolution rather than for us to speculate to appearances.
White males aged 18-40 are the only/b non-protected class that exists. Every other class of people has special protection in one form or another.
Damore isn't actually trying to win this. He'd have to be an idiot to think he could; he has to know that Google consulted with their fleet of lawyers before firing him, and that they only fired him because they could come up with a legally sound justification, and even if he couldn't figure that out whatever lawyer he picked up would have made it very clear to him. The actual purpose of this lawsuit is something that anti-gay crusaders have been into for a while and that other stripes of conservatives have been picking up on over the last couple of years or so: using the process of filing a complaint for doxxing. As part of making the complaint, Damore published into a publicly available legal record 86 pages of screenshots of things people working at Google said that he didn't like and, surprise surprise, did not attempt to redact any names or conceal any identities. Some of those people have already begun to receive threats and harassment from conservatives. That was the real point of this. Damore and his lawyer know nothing will come of the suit, but now the people who dared to upset his delicate sensibilities can be punished.
Allowing businesses to buy influence in politics might have seemed beneficial for business, but can backfire too, as politics seep into business. A company's and it's worker's political orientations have become important. I would care less what my ISP votes, but I guess for you Americans, it's defines trustworthiness and quality. You've all made a point of putting money first, hail to corporate freedom, including politics. It's like the Soviet Union in the '30ies, but the capitalist version. Good luck with that. The polarization and extreme views, even here on slashdot, are amazing, stifling and actually quite stupid. You might better focus on reinstating division of powers, whatever your political affiliation, to mutual benefit. But i guess screaming at each other is much more fun, like having hotdogs for breakfast on a daily basis. You might regret that some day.
Fucking SJW. Mod him down boys...
Are you fucking kidding me...
This is his only way to make money now.
Reading the attached documents in very interesting. To be honest I thought he was taking this a bit too far when I first read the headline, but then I read the screenshots of internal discussions and it was pretty blatant discrimination.
tl;dr some SJW types are writing "evil white males" etc on internal message board, someone takes them to task about their racism very politely, and _he_ is the one sent to see HR.
Personally I'm pretty libertarian and don't really care what racist shit SJW loons have to spew, but when it is in the workplace it starts to become somewhat different. When someone complains and _they_ are the one sent to HR then that's the point at which it's crossing the line in my view.
Lets consider an alternative: KKK loons are talking about "ebil n**gers causing crime and shit" on internal messageboard, a black member of staff quite politely says that the behaviour is rather unpleasant and maybe they could please stop it, and then the black member of staff get sent to HR for harassing the racist staff members. I think in that case there would be no debate about the company being in the wrong, and yet here we are...
Re: "If Trump is like Trump, he will never be elected."
People do not define a quality using a new example, then use the definition to set the example. That would be like me saying: "Croissants are an example of donuts, therefore all donuts are now called croissants." It's self-serving and allows multiple points for logic challenges.
Furthermore, I literally do not remember anyone saying that. And I was paying attention. They might have said, "Trump will never be elected", that sounds right. However "If Trump is like Trump", that doesn't sound right. Not on any level.
Also not sounding right? "If Obama was like Trump". People are not lego blocks, they should not be compared as whole units. You can say "If Obama spoke like Trump speaks..." because now you are only comparing specific characteristics.
There's simply too much in here for me to parse:
- trashing CNN while failing to address Fox;
- phony felony collusion, when the investigation is ongoing and there are multiple guilty pleas on record;
- fake histrionics, while forgetting the fake "voter fraud", fake "Clinton Foundation" outrage, fake orange hair, fake reassurances of getting "much better healthcare for much cheaper", fake pledges to achieve Middle East peace "easily", fake promises to deal sternly with the Saudis (until they let DT fondle their glowing balls), well this list could go on forever;
- etc.
Mostly I wish to address "... if we want to watch the Dems fall on their faces in 2018 exactly like they did in 2016..." How much would you like to wager on that? Big Giant Orange Head is the most unpopular first-term President in the last century (roughly, I'm not going to look it up). And the Repubs keep nominating sketchy candidates like Roy Moore. So bad that a Republican couldn't get elected in Alabama, that has to be a first! Normally a Republican candidate could get elected in Alabama even if he was the dead guy from Weekend At Bernie's.
I'll wager a day's pay that the GOP loses it's House majority in 2018. Just to keep it interesting.
We have hired every female and minority candidate who I've interviewed over eleven years.
Could you provide the name of your company, so I can short the stock?
lucm, indeed.