Oh well. To quote someone here (Sorry I don't remember your name)
"Why are we so worried about the fact that publishers of closed source proprietary software who are used to paying for software development tools are going to have to continue that exact same practice in the OSS wordl?"
On the topic at hand, all I can say is sweet. Gimp, Evolution, Beep etc all fitting in KDE and where possible even getting to use the excellant KDE fileselector.
If Apple had been smart enough to license and port Mac OS to X86 they might actually have a sizeable marketshare. Apple trying to stick it out as a hardware company is what dragged Apple down to its current position as a total niche hardware maker with a 3% market share. If they had licensed and pushed for Mac OS they would have become a much bigger software company than their current hardwaree company model provides for. Look at Microsoft. They correctly bet on software and while the rest of the world including Apple lost their shirts in the cut-throat hardware market Microsoft gained ground until they became the dominant player they are today.
So yea Apple is a hardware company with Good profits on a small amount of hardware. They could have been a software company with a smaller amount of profit on a Huge amount of software. They made a dumb decision and have insured they will never be more than a bit player and forever lost the chance to become a market leader of Microsoft's size.
btw last time I heard Apple was getting by on a.5% operating margin. Barely getting along compared to what they could have been doesn't seem like something to celebrate IMO.
From an end user view I can see Apple users doing nothing but praising the small niche that Apple reside in. From an economic point of view I can only shake my head and think of what could have been.
I keep hearing a "big deal" but really think its a great product for the average person if its afforable. By now there are a ton a consumers with huge mp3 and divx collections on their PC's. Up til now you've needed to A)buy an expensive game console and then use addon software or B) build a dedicated HTPC. I've done option B) but really lately I've just been using it for mp3 and movie playback since there is little on TV I even care about catching anymore.
If its under $200, and I don't see why it shouldn't be, I predict this selling really well.
Do I really need to explain that we Linux users aren't running Green CRT's and looking at "crappy widgets and horrible fonts" all day. This isn't 1993. Get a clue Troll.
Why would someone become "tired" of linux? If someone has spent the time and is now over the difficult learning curve, what's the appeal of spending thousands of dollars on a machine dedicated to an almost completely closed OS and expensive closed Apps? Most Linux users left Windows and its expensive apps behind for a reason. Why not just run XP and Photoshop and a cheap Dell then? You people who always praise Apple always talk about how great OS X is yet you never take into account A) the rediculous hardware costs and B) being ruled under the iron thumb of Steve Jobs.
I really wish Apple had never used BSD for its underpinnings so that OS X users wouldn't constantly try to act like Apple is some great OpenSource backer or that they are now part of the opensource movement. We are worlds apart.
"Linux is a great server OS, but mac os x has it by leaps and bounds as a good desktop platform."
Again, it costs a Shitload and all the interesting stuff is Closed Source. Remember what I said about how most Linux users switched from Windows to escape expensive apps and Vendor Lockin? Why jump back into the frying pan with a Mac? That fact that OSX is partly based on a BSD means jack to us.
People who use and like Linux and its many appps because they are Open Source aren't interested in what your selling because its represents a step backwards in many ways. I can see wealthy Linux users who are interested in Proprietary Unix switching, I can't see many others doing the same.
"Because the liner notes, the cover, the case... it's all part of it. Want to know what the band members look like? Want to know what the heck that guy is saying? Wondering how they got that funky name? Often you'll find it out from the liner notes. Bands who want to sell CDs should make these as interesting as possible."
I honestly have to say that might have been the case 10 years ago, but in the age of the Internet everything you mentioned is availabe in seconds, including albums covers if indeed you need to look at it for some reaon.
Physical media is irrelevant and I can't remember that last time I even looked at the insert that came with the CD. The only thing an actual physical CD is good for is being able to play the cd in your car or portable and cdr's are dirt cheap.
Most people just don't even care about the things your mentioned and much more importantly a generation is growing up that sees digital media as the "real format", not some cd you have to go to the store and actually pay for.
The post didn't mention RedHat so why bring it up? You say your not a MS booster but yet this is exactly what they do. Ignore the facts and then try to draw attention to some other problem, in this case RedHat. This is about the Lamest arguement one can make.
"Stating obvious, that should have been part of main story summary..."
No it should NOT have been part of the main story. What does some OS that probably less than 0.05% of users have to do with an OS that almost 30% of the world uses?
The end of updates for 98 is a BIG deal that affects millions of users. Personally I'm not blaming MS either, but at least I'm not trying to take some popshot at say... Amiga users for No reason.
"you know like the proposed RED plate for DUI ppl"
Oh, that's just a GREAT idea. Why not start handing out Gold Stars for the Jews again? Or better yet, make anyone who has ever been convicted of any crime have to where a pink jumpsuit and put up a billboard outside their house which states there crime. That will teach them.
" I'm tired of blanket rules for all the buffoons of the world."
See the post in the beginning or this thread. Saying your above everyone is just making you look like a total jackass.
"Overclocking is a fantasy of the DIY tinkerer "beating" the experts"
Whoah, time to lay off the meds. What do you care if someone wants to get all they can out of a product they bought?
Your post is a fine foil to dissuade someone from spending $500-$100 on OC'ing equipment. It fails miserably to describe why its bad for the average $25 heatsink buying OC'er. Hell the average Intel overclocker usually just uses the stock HSF. Do you really think you have a case when its so easy to take for example a P4 1.8 and overclock it to 2.4 with no extra money and no ill effects?
Your right overclocked computer can be unreliable, but that's why benchmark programs exist. If you can save $50-$75 by buying the lower end model and speeding it up what's wrong with that? I also don't really think your entitled to make the call whether someone has enough computing power as well. Am I allowed to tell you that you only need a '83 Yugo because YOU don't need anything more than 80hp?
These posts against overclocking never hold up and I don't know why you thought yours would.
I'm not surprised, the P4 is incredibility inefficient always has been. The thing that REALLy gets my goat are these POS Celerons Intel pushs in low end boxes. These cpu's are truely garbage. I'd say the Celeron is the biggest disservice Intel has foisted upon the public. Poor consumers are wasting millions because they are misled into thinking a 2.6GHz celeron is actually faster than a 1.6 Duron.
Can you blame them for trying to "suck up" to the vendor whose OS has 90%+ of their target market? Microsoft is Totally screwing AMD every day that goes by that they don't ship real finished 64bit versions of their OS for them. Of course I'm sure this has nothing to do with MS being pressured by Intel... As far as AMD not playing nice with the OS community I guess I can't comment since I'm not really sure what your talking about.
"Why is it that when these toolkits get ported to another other platform, be it Windows, MacOS, BeOS or what have you, they insist on looking and acting as GTK or Qt applications rather than native apps?"
Every seen Adobe Photoshop Album? That was done with QT and "looks and acts" like a native app as far as I'm concerned.
Considering how few QT and GTK apps there available for Windows I just don't even see what's to get worked up about.
Yea because distrowatch is such an accurate measure... As its previously been pointed out, some distro called Yoper was #1 on distrowatch the week it came out.
Some bored linux users will do anything to push their "distro of the week". Distrowatch isn't in on it and they were nice when asked about their rankings, but anyone with half a brain knows those results are far from accurate. So no, I won't be counting this distro as any sort of record breaker, at least not any type of record that matters.
Exactly. That's also why why you'll never see Quicktime for Linux. Where is the profit in making Linux a more viable option? Apple's nightmare is Adobe fully supporting Linux. Jobs would shit himself. Of the opensource Apple uses its only to save money on R&D and jump on the OpenSource bandwagon. Nothing to be upset about, but they are certain no ally to Linux and opensource.
I don't see why. I mean yea some people use Ogg, but why bother supporting a format that almost nobody uses? Sure I know you probably use it and converted your whole collection to it. Don't you think you should have just stuck with the format that 99% of people use and actually has industry wide support from portable music hardware vendors?
I'm honestly not trying to make fun of you or say something bad about ogg(it's AS good as mp3), but I see no reason to support it just like I don't see any reason to support, FLAC,Monkey's Audio, Real Audio, etc in this particular application. I would be nice to have support for all audio formats in every audio player, but I don't think that is too realistic a thing to ask for right now. It's just not what the majority of Apple's customers are using or asking for.
I guess as a Linux and OpenSource user I'm supposed to stand up for what's open, but that doesn't change the fact that MP3 is the defacto portable digital audio standard. Maybe over time the Music Store vendors will be able to snuff it out in favor of a "secure" audio format, but until then I'm perfectly content with plain old functional MP3 for portable music players. Just IMHO, YMMV, blah, blah.
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Everyone I have ever heard talk about this says don't bother. Basically they all have proprietary connectors. You can't just yank a laptop apart and then easily attach a vga cable, which I think this article is implying by saying " P200 and lower laptops are virtually free".
That doesn't mean some engineer can't figure it out, but for even the average normally adept person this isn't a task worth taking on. If this huge supply of old 10-12.1" monitors was so easy to recycle into working monitors the whole world would be doing it. Hell I'd have these old LCD's all over my house if it were doable.
Maybe this book keeps most of the original laptop intact and hides it in the frame, because any other way seems unlikely for the reasons I listed above.
If times have changed and its now possible to just start yanking lcds from old laptops and easily/cheaply using them seperately please let me know.
Really? Until that game came out I used to never here those sounds anywhere else. I'd have to guess that DOOM is what made them popular then, if indeed someone besides ID made those sounds.
I dunno that scream doesn't sound too familiar to me, maybe I need to watch Stars Wars again? What I've always been amazed by is how many movies/commercials have used sounds from the game DOOM. I've heard its rocket and dying imp sounds in tons of things.
Most people have an PS 1 Dual shock laying around and the usb adapters are cheap. Beyond having to buy and hack a usb cable, Xbox controller are much more expensive then a Dual Shock 1 controller.
Both controllers require an adapter/cable to hook up to a PC so I don't know why your saying its much easier to connect.
Lastly IMO the PS1 Dual Shock is just flat out a better controller and these things last for years and can take a real beating.
Like all things controller choice can be subjective, but considering price, availability, and feel, the Dual Shock is the one to get. Plus as an added bonus you won't be giving money to the Great Satan.;)
"Compare this with things Gates says in the press- he is always looking at better ways of applying technology, ways to make things easier, etc. He (correctly, IMO) wants computing a simple human experience, something people don't need five years of experience to do."
Correct. Microsoft wants its products to be easy to use and helpful, good for them. But God help you if you get in their way or have an alternative view as to what makes a product good. Because then you get to watch this "we just want to help" company mercilessly stomp you into the ground.
They do with FUD, they do it by bribing the government, and they do everything in their power to make doing things anyway except for the Microsoft way extremely painful.
They are a ruthless, power hungry, nasty, control freak of the company whose only goal is total world domination by ANY means necessary.
Oh but they want to make computing easy for newbies so its O.K.
" Yeah - Quicktime is such a POS that MPEG-4 is based on it"
WTF does that have to do with the Quicktime Player being a slow unresponsive ugly POS? Yea the codec good, big deal. Its still wrapped in a big ugly crappy client. You can point to all the plugins, documentation, bell whistles, and the fact that it can be programmed to bake you cookies, it STILL doesn't change the fact that the client is a big slow ugly POS.
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Oh well. To quote someone here (Sorry I don't remember your name)
"Why are we so worried about the fact that publishers of closed source proprietary software who are used to paying for software development tools are going to have to continue that exact same practice in the OSS wordl?"
On the topic at hand, all I can say is sweet. Gimp, Evolution, Beep etc all fitting in KDE and where possible even getting to use the excellant KDE fileselector.
If Apple had been smart enough to license and port Mac OS to X86 they might actually have a sizeable marketshare. Apple trying to stick it out as a hardware company is what dragged Apple down to its current position as a total niche hardware maker with a 3% market share. If they had licensed and pushed for Mac OS they would have become a much bigger software company than their current hardwaree company model provides for. Look at Microsoft. They correctly bet on software and while the rest of the world including Apple lost their shirts in the cut-throat hardware market Microsoft gained ground until they became the dominant player they are today.
.5% operating margin. Barely getting along compared to what they could have been doesn't seem like something to celebrate IMO.
So yea Apple is a hardware company with Good profits on a small amount of hardware. They could have been a software company with a smaller amount of profit on a Huge amount of software. They made a dumb decision and have insured they will never be more than a bit player and forever lost the chance to become a market leader of Microsoft's size.
btw last time I heard Apple was getting by on a
From an end user view I can see Apple users doing nothing but praising the small niche that Apple reside in. From an economic point of view I can only shake my head and think of what could have been.
I keep hearing a "big deal" but really think its a great product for the average person if its afforable. By now there are a ton a consumers with huge mp3 and divx collections on their PC's. Up til now you've needed to A)buy an expensive game console and then use addon software or B) build a dedicated HTPC. I've done option B) but really lately I've just been using it for mp3 and movie playback since there is little on TV I even care about catching anymore.
If its under $200, and I don't see why it shouldn't be, I predict this selling really well.
What kind of Trojan is this that won't go away after a fucking format?
Do I really need to explain that we Linux users aren't running Green CRT's and looking at "crappy widgets and horrible fonts" all day. This isn't 1993. Get a clue Troll.
Come on Mods, think a bit.
Why would someone become "tired" of linux? If someone has spent the time and is now over the difficult learning curve, what's the appeal of spending thousands of dollars on a machine dedicated to an almost completely closed OS and expensive closed Apps? Most Linux users left Windows and its expensive apps behind for a reason. Why not just run XP and Photoshop and a cheap Dell then? You people who always praise Apple always talk about how great OS X is yet you never take into account A) the rediculous hardware costs and B) being ruled under the iron thumb of Steve Jobs.
I really wish Apple had never used BSD for its underpinnings so that OS X users wouldn't constantly try to act like Apple is some great OpenSource backer or that they are now part of the opensource movement. We are worlds apart.
"Linux is a great server OS, but mac os x has it by leaps and bounds as a good desktop platform."
Again, it costs a Shitload and all the interesting stuff is Closed Source. Remember what I said about how most Linux users switched from Windows to escape expensive apps and Vendor Lockin? Why jump back into the frying pan with a Mac? That fact that OSX is partly based on a BSD means jack to us.
People who use and like Linux and its many appps because they are Open Source aren't interested in what your selling because its represents a step backwards in many ways. I can see wealthy Linux users who are interested in Proprietary Unix switching, I can't see many others doing the same.
That was simply aweful. Way to ruin a classic. I wonder if George Lucas was involved...
"Because the liner notes, the cover, the case... it's all part of it. Want to know what the band members look like? Want to know what the heck that guy is saying? Wondering how they got that funky name? Often you'll find it out from the liner notes. Bands who want to sell CDs should make these as interesting as possible."
I honestly have to say that might have been the case 10 years ago, but in the age of the Internet everything you mentioned is availabe in seconds, including albums covers if indeed you need to look at it for some reaon.
Physical media is irrelevant and I can't remember that last time I even looked at the insert that came with the CD. The only thing an actual physical CD is good for is being able to play the cd in your car or portable and cdr's are dirt cheap.
Most people just don't even care about the things your mentioned and much more importantly a generation is growing up that sees digital media as the "real format", not some cd you have to go to the store and actually pay for.
The post didn't mention RedHat so why bring it up? You say your not a MS booster but yet this is exactly what they do. Ignore the facts and then try to draw attention to some other problem, in this case RedHat. This is about the Lamest arguement one can make.
"Stating obvious, that should have been part of main story summary..."
No it should NOT have been part of the main story. What does some OS that probably less than 0.05% of users have to do with an OS that almost 30% of the world uses?
The end of updates for 98 is a BIG deal that affects millions of users. Personally I'm not blaming MS either, but at least I'm not trying to take some popshot at say... Amiga users for No reason.
"you know like the proposed RED plate for DUI ppl"
Oh, that's just a GREAT idea. Why not start handing out Gold Stars for the Jews again? Or better yet, make anyone who has ever been convicted of any crime have to where a pink jumpsuit and put up a billboard outside their house which states there crime. That will teach them.
" I'm tired of blanket rules for all the buffoons of the world."
See the post in the beginning or this thread. Saying your above everyone is just making you look like a total jackass.
"Overclocking is a fantasy of the DIY tinkerer "beating" the experts"
Whoah, time to lay off the meds. What do you care if someone wants to get all they can out of a product they bought?
Your post is a fine foil to dissuade someone from spending $500-$100 on OC'ing equipment. It fails miserably to describe why its bad for the average $25 heatsink buying OC'er. Hell the average Intel overclocker usually just uses the stock HSF. Do you really think you have a case when its so easy to take for example a P4 1.8 and overclock it to 2.4 with no extra money and no ill effects?
Your right overclocked computer can be unreliable, but that's why benchmark programs exist. If you can save $50-$75 by buying the lower end model and speeding it up what's wrong with that? I also don't really think your entitled to make the call whether someone has enough computing power as well. Am I allowed to tell you that you only need a '83 Yugo because YOU don't need anything more than 80hp?
These posts against overclocking never hold up and I don't know why you thought yours would.
I'm not surprised, the P4 is incredibility inefficient always has been. The thing that REALLy gets my goat are these POS Celerons Intel pushs in low end boxes. These cpu's are truely garbage. I'd say the Celeron is the biggest disservice Intel has foisted upon the public. Poor consumers are wasting millions because they are misled into thinking a 2.6GHz celeron is actually faster than a 1.6 Duron.
Can you blame them for trying to "suck up" to the vendor whose OS has 90%+ of their target market? Microsoft is Totally screwing AMD every day that goes by that they don't ship real finished 64bit versions of their OS for them. Of course I'm sure this has nothing to do with MS being pressured by Intel... As far as AMD not playing nice with the OS community I guess I can't comment since I'm not really sure what your talking about.
"Why is it that when these toolkits get ported to another other platform, be it Windows, MacOS, BeOS or what have you, they insist on looking and acting as GTK or Qt applications rather than native apps?"
Every seen Adobe Photoshop Album? That was done with QT and "looks and acts" like a native app as far as I'm concerned.
Considering how few QT and GTK apps there available for Windows I just don't even see what's to get worked up about.
Yea because distrowatch is such an accurate measure... As its previously been pointed out, some distro called Yoper was #1 on distrowatch the week it came out.
Some bored linux users will do anything to push their "distro of the week". Distrowatch isn't in on it and they were nice when asked about their rankings, but anyone with half a brain knows those results are far from accurate. So no, I won't be counting this distro as any sort of record breaker, at least not any type of record that matters.
Exactly. That's also why why you'll never see Quicktime for Linux. Where is the profit in making Linux a more viable option? Apple's nightmare is Adobe fully supporting Linux. Jobs would shit himself. Of the opensource Apple uses its only to save money on R&D and jump on the OpenSource bandwagon. Nothing to be upset about, but they are certain no ally to Linux and opensource.
I don't see why. I mean yea some people use Ogg, but why bother supporting a format that almost nobody uses? Sure I know you probably use it and converted your whole collection to it. Don't you think you should have just stuck with the format that 99% of people use and actually has industry wide support from portable music hardware vendors?
I'm honestly not trying to make fun of you or say something bad about ogg(it's AS good as mp3), but I see no reason to support it just like I don't see any reason to support, FLAC,Monkey's Audio, Real Audio, etc in this particular application. I would be nice to have support for all audio formats in every audio player, but I don't think that is too realistic a thing to ask for right now. It's just not what the majority of Apple's customers are using or asking for.
I guess as a Linux and OpenSource user I'm supposed to stand up for what's open, but that doesn't change the fact that MP3 is the defacto portable digital audio standard. Maybe over time the Music Store vendors will be able to snuff it out in favor of a "secure" audio format, but until then I'm perfectly content with plain old functional MP3 for portable music players. Just IMHO, YMMV, blah, blah.
Everyone I have ever heard talk about this says don't bother. Basically they all have proprietary connectors. You can't just yank a laptop apart and then easily attach a vga cable, which I think this article is implying by saying " P200 and lower laptops are virtually free".
That doesn't mean some engineer can't figure it out, but for even the average normally adept person this isn't a task worth taking on. If this huge supply of old 10-12.1" monitors was so easy to recycle into working monitors the whole world would be doing it. Hell I'd have these old LCD's all over my house if it were doable.
Maybe this book keeps most of the original laptop intact and hides it in the frame, because any other way seems unlikely for the reasons I listed above.
If times have changed and its now possible to just start yanking lcds from old laptops and easily/cheaply using them seperately please let me know.
Really? Until that game came out I used to never here those sounds anywhere else. I'd have to guess that DOOM is what made them popular then, if indeed someone besides ID made those sounds.
Nah, he would need to 120mm. :)
I dunno that scream doesn't sound too familiar to me, maybe I need to watch Stars Wars again? What I've always been amazed by is how many movies/commercials have used sounds from the game DOOM. I've heard its rocket and dying imp sounds in tons of things.
Most people have an PS 1 Dual shock laying around and the usb adapters are cheap. Beyond having to buy and hack a usb cable, Xbox controller are much more expensive then a Dual Shock 1 controller.
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Both controllers require an adapter/cable to hook up to a PC so I don't know why your saying its much easier to connect.
Lastly IMO the PS1 Dual Shock is just flat out a better controller and these things last for years and can take a real beating.
Like all things controller choice can be subjective, but considering price, availability, and feel, the Dual Shock is the one to get. Plus as an added bonus you won't be giving money to the Great Satan.
"Compare this with things Gates says in the press- he is always looking at better ways of applying technology, ways to make things easier, etc. He (correctly, IMO) wants computing a simple human experience, something people don't need five years of experience to do."
Correct. Microsoft wants its products to be easy to use and helpful, good for them. But God help you if you get in their way or have an alternative view as to what makes a product good. Because then you get to watch this "we just want to help" company mercilessly stomp you into the ground.
They do with FUD, they do it by bribing the government, and they do everything in their power to make doing things anyway except for the Microsoft way extremely painful.
They are a ruthless, power hungry, nasty, control freak of the company whose only goal is total world domination by ANY means necessary.
Oh but they want to make computing easy for newbies so its O.K.
*points gun at head and pulls trigger*
" Yeah - Quicktime is such a POS that MPEG-4 is based on it"
WTF does that have to do with the Quicktime Player being a slow unresponsive ugly POS? Yea the codec good, big deal. Its still wrapped in a big ugly crappy client. You can point to all the plugins, documentation, bell whistles, and the fact that it can be programmed to bake you cookies, it STILL doesn't change the fact that the client is a big slow ugly POS.
/Sarcastic but serious mode on/
Is this the release of Quicktime that A) doesn't run like a craPpy Port b) actually looks like a Windows app?