I'd rather she shot up the school. I don't know how many people die from that in a year but every time I think of it I wish I was one of them. For the love of all things apocryphal and holy please my darling child SHOOT UP THE SCHOOL.
Mobile obviously means when you walk from the microwave to your chair... those three feet without my/. would be like an eternity in hell... the outside stuff is just a joke to make the so-called 'normal' people think we know what the 'light of day' looks like from more than those cheesy outdoor porn videos!
Don't know about you, but I take risks every day... I drive my car to it's limits, I suggest my girlfriend could lose a few pounds, and I walk out the door (thus risk getting shot, poisoned, or otherwise harmed). It's part of what makes my life so damned enjoyable
People will die over longer time periods farther away. Fact.
People will die over longer time periods anyway. Fact.
Locating the plant doesn't increase scrutiny, it increases the number of whining people in the city who think they understand nuclear physics, the farther away, the less whining you get about how the power plant blocks the view, but you also increase the distance of transport required for workers (thus making it harder on some of them and enforcing the use of car's rather than public transport). 7.2% is not a small amount if you are talking about one watt of power, but we're not. Look at it from the glass half full perspective and you notice that 92.8% of the power makes the distance.
Have you seen the people born near Chernobyl with their birth defects? Yes. I've heard tell of similar things in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, though I can not confirm these first hand. I do not, however, miss your point. If the plant goes up, and with modern advancements and safety controls that is a big if, then contamination will occur, sure. Since the US dropped the Bomb art-circles have used the increased radiation in a certain type of seed or plant (I forget which, they used it to seal paintings years back) to date and identify fakes. The radiation got quite far around the globe, and I for one don't have any deformities from the low levels of it.
Your point is, as I take it, that nuclear power is dangerous... I hate to sound like I'm trolling but "No shit... that's why we use it in bombs". True we can use solar power, true we can use other energy resources. Nuclear power is cheap, it is safe, and it is available right now. And when I say safe I mean it is as safe as driving your car, sure there are risks, but if you maintain your equipment properly and don't over abuse it ("Increase reactor to one hundred fifteen percent" for example), then those risks are minimised. Chernobyl was bad, nothing will detract from that, but we learnt heaps from it, and even more stringent controls over nuclear power are in place to ensure these things don't happen again.
I was once told: "There are more aircraft in the ocean than there are submarines in the sky"
I'm an army man myself, so my comments in this discussion will be purely humorous and/or useless, although I do quite like the idea of just popping up in the middle of a battle fleet, firing a couple of surface to surface weapons, and then diving as fast as possible.
Overrated perhaps, but my guess would be the mods didn't get the joke
Actually thinking about it, putting some sort of RFID tracking into ID cards or better yet a mobile phone might be an idea. We had a fire drill about an hour ago which I promptly ignored. If the doors were set to monitor my users as they went in and out of the building, that would have been detected. I could even have some sort of "disable-local-logins" script set up to lock their accounts from localised access when they're not in the building. Sure the implications for a school student is far greater, as they are prone to forget things or screw around with them (I was always the latter), but perhaps this isn't such a bad idea.
That said if anyone tries this one on me I'll be finding a different job or perhaps sabotaging the system...
I too agree. Slashdot has been the stalwart battlement that all geeks know they can head to for decent trolls, flame wars and technical discussions. The advertisements don't blast me in the face (even wired is guilty of this - though they did apologise profusely), and as we saw recently and as kebes has already said, our numbers continue to grow. Keep up the good work Rob, and team.
Couldn't agree more. As part of a development team that works in the same room as the IT team, I sometimes think about what they are doing on a daily basis, and the rules they enforce for the rest of us mere mortals seem completely pointless.
That's because you are, as you say, mere mortals;)
I often need third-party libraries when I'm developing my software so I just get them off the Internet (sometimes virus checking them if I remember).
And this is why I said you're a mere mortal. As a sysadmin it is imperitive that I not be forced to abide by the same restrictions as those underneath me. I must be able to run security audits against my network, I must be permitted to surf 'hacking' sites to be sure my anti virus scan's correctly and I must be able to download software as necessary. It is a part of my job, just like surfing pornography is the job of the digital market researcher I work with (now that's a cushy job, he's paid to stay on current trends - I'm an admin at a media and design company). However downloading libraries from some unknown source because they say they will do what you need is not necessarily safe, as you should well know. If your admin's are anything like mine they wouldn't care if you downloaded software from source forge, but if you download software from Mom's Friendly DLL Company that is a different story.
If I followed the rules to the letter, I wouldn't download the libraries. But I don't follow them, so by using this software that nobody is "approving" I'm breaking the rules.
Yes, technically you are, but that probably won't be a problem until you try and force that third party software onto production servers, which in my experience developers do after they have downloaded 3rd party libraries no one else has heard of. Yes this is why we have development machines, but it also falls to the IT team to be the ones to make the software work because of this library.
But when did our security manager review the source code for Windows XP to make sure it's OK?
Well hopefully he didn't implement XP as soon as it came out... at least waiting for a service pack and locking it down with Anti Virus and a decent firewall... if he didn't then that's probably a bad security manager you got there.
Just for the record, I've been a developer, a hell desker and a sysadmin, so I know what the battlefield is like on both sides. No doubt others do to.
There's been a lot of comments on whether it is a proof or not and how research works and so forth, but I'd like to make one point: If I have a "proof" that later proves to be false, but with this "proof" I develop the cure to cancer, does it really matter? Some of the greatest "features" I have seen in programs are items that the programmer thinks is a bug in the code, written by some of the best programmers I know. So what if the foundations were shaky? Nitro-glycerine was discovered by accident...
What program does? I'd not be surprised to find some of the.NET code generators did... I've just never heard of a program in use which does... honest question, not an attempt at humour.
Sarg reports off my squid proxy verify those statistics! Now all I have to do is get them to look at decent porn rather than this yahoo images crap. Driftnet can be such a wonderful tool, and yes I have blocked goatse in the squid lists... just in case...
Unfortunately (or thankfully as the case may be), my information is second hand, coming from the system administrator at the time rather than my own checks.
There wasn't any packet loss that I am aware of, some pretty intensive (proprietary) UDP applications operating across the link (there was no TFTP style checks on this) and dropping a packet would have been noticed. Average latency was, (for example) 0.7ms and increased to 1.0ms... some fairly standard diagnostics such as a continuous ping showed no major changes in the network, no large peaks or odd lows, just an increase in average time... the data from other applications supported this.
Can't say for sure what was the problem (see SysAdmin reference above), but a replacement of the hardware at both ends fixed whatever it was.
I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it for myself, but the users at my previous company could detect a 0.3 millisecond additional delay on a fibre line less than 100m long (they were whiny son's of bitches anyway). We took out the old Ethernet line out for some reason or another, and when we switched them over to this link there was instant complaints. They didn't even know we'd made the switch but still they cried.
So I guess we've already evolved that far... the next step would have to be inbuilt dart barrels or something so the next time they come to whine.......
Note: the delay appears to have been the switches at either end not working nicely with the new link medium
Personally I probably learnt more from the ones who didn't wear the suits, but if I ever have to deal with body odour like that again I will probably go postal. I now work with a bunch of 'arty' designers and Mac users, and definitely prefer the one's who take a moment longer to dress appropriately (two sales men and all the girls) as opposed to the smell and look of the others, who are generally smarter.
Not so easy out here in Australia, especially with the hype generated by the media-whores about copyright infringement. A lot of stores make it policy not to take items back.
Funnily enough I have the least trouble with the K-Mart's and many of the 'smaller' chains out here. I guess the major stores don't care about the customer and only about the bottom line.
Reminds me of the 40k Orc Codex: "We never lose... If we wins we win, if we dies we're dead so it don't count as beat and if we runz away we can come back to fight anuvva day" (Paraphrased of course - this is/. so no doubt someone will correct me)
The tripwire installation (cold boot checking), Snort console and usage graphs say that my FreeBSD box hasn't been infected since it was installed.
There is one possibility, and that is there was code slipped into the repository prior to the 6.2-RELEASE CD's being created (verified the sum of the CD's when I got them) which could be rooting my box. I don't have the time to be doing (is it Orange book?) procedures that will ensure this doesn't happen. I'm with Rycross, there are so many ways to be infected that saying your not is just setting yourself up for a fall.
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I'd rather she shot up the school. I don't know how many people die from that in a year but every time I think of it I wish I was one of them. For the love of all things apocryphal and holy please my darling child SHOOT UP THE SCHOOL.
Mobile obviously means when you walk from the microwave to your chair... those three feet without my /. would be like an eternity in hell... the outside stuff is just a joke to make the so-called 'normal' people think we know what the 'light of day' looks like from more than those cheesy outdoor porn videos!
Mine is serving a purpose... earning a greater uptime......
Locating the plant doesn't increase scrutiny, it increases the number of whining people in the city who think they understand nuclear physics, the farther away, the less whining you get about how the power plant blocks the view, but you also increase the distance of transport required for workers (thus making it harder on some of them and enforcing the use of car's rather than public transport). 7.2% is not a small amount if you are talking about one watt of power, but we're not. Look at it from the glass half full perspective and you notice that 92.8% of the power makes the distance. Have you seen the people born near Chernobyl with their birth defects? Yes. I've heard tell of similar things in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, though I can not confirm these first hand. I do not, however, miss your point. If the plant goes up, and with modern advancements and safety controls that is a big if, then contamination will occur, sure. Since the US dropped the Bomb art-circles have used the increased radiation in a certain type of seed or plant (I forget which, they used it to seal paintings years back) to date and identify fakes. The radiation got quite far around the globe, and I for one don't have any deformities from the low levels of it.
Your point is, as I take it, that nuclear power is dangerous... I hate to sound like I'm trolling but "No shit... that's why we use it in bombs". True we can use solar power, true we can use other energy resources. Nuclear power is cheap, it is safe, and it is available right now. And when I say safe I mean it is as safe as driving your car, sure there are risks, but if you maintain your equipment properly and don't over abuse it ("Increase reactor to one hundred fifteen percent" for example), then those risks are minimised. Chernobyl was bad, nothing will detract from that, but we learnt heaps from it, and even more stringent controls over nuclear power are in place to ensure these things don't happen again.
I was once told: "There are more aircraft in the ocean than there are submarines in the sky"
I'm an army man myself, so my comments in this discussion will be purely humorous and/or useless, although I do quite like the idea of just popping up in the middle of a battle fleet, firing a couple of surface to surface weapons, and then diving as fast as possible.
Never underestimate the size of my fat ass, I can sit in four STATES at a time!
Overrated perhaps, but my guess would be the mods didn't get the joke
Actually thinking about it, putting some sort of RFID tracking into ID cards or better yet a mobile phone might be an idea. We had a fire drill about an hour ago which I promptly ignored. If the doors were set to monitor my users as they went in and out of the building, that would have been detected. I could even have some sort of "disable-local-logins" script set up to lock their accounts from localised access when they're not in the building. Sure the implications for a school student is far greater, as they are prone to forget things or screw around with them (I was always the latter), but perhaps this isn't such a bad idea.
That said if anyone tries this one on me I'll be finding a different job or perhaps sabotaging the system...
Damn mods can't even RTFS (Summary) any more. I for one welcome our new shirtless-will-one-day-choose-my-retirement-home overlords.
Intentional... big fan of the BOFH and try to emulate at all times.
I too agree. Slashdot has been the stalwart battlement that all geeks know they can head to for decent trolls, flame wars and technical discussions. The advertisements don't blast me in the face (even wired is guilty of this - though they did apologise profusely), and as we saw recently and as kebes has already said, our numbers continue to grow. Keep up the good work Rob, and team.
Cheers
That's why I prefer the public humiliation method, fear will keep the local lusers in line...
Just for the record, I've been a developer, a hell desker and a sysadmin, so I know what the battlefield is like on both sides. No doubt others do to.
Give them to your girlfriend so she buggers off for more than an hour? Damn man you're my new hero... going to try that tonight!
There's been a lot of comments on whether it is a proof or not and how research works and so forth, but I'd like to make one point: If I have a "proof" that later proves to be false, but with this "proof" I develop the cure to cancer, does it really matter? Some of the greatest "features" I have seen in programs are items that the programmer thinks is a bug in the code, written by some of the best programmers I know. So what if the foundations were shaky? Nitro-glycerine was discovered by accident...
What program does? I'd not be surprised to find some of the .NET code generators did... I've just never heard of a program in use which does... honest question, not an attempt at humour.
Sarg reports off my squid proxy verify those statistics! Now all I have to do is get them to look at decent porn rather than this yahoo images crap. Driftnet can be such a wonderful tool, and yes I have blocked goatse in the squid lists... just in case...
Unfortunately (or thankfully as the case may be), my information is second hand, coming from the system administrator at the time rather than my own checks.
There wasn't any packet loss that I am aware of, some pretty intensive (proprietary) UDP applications operating across the link (there was no TFTP style checks on this) and dropping a packet would have been noticed. Average latency was, (for example) 0.7ms and increased to 1.0ms... some fairly standard diagnostics such as a continuous ping showed no major changes in the network, no large peaks or odd lows, just an increase in average time... the data from other applications supported this.
Can't say for sure what was the problem (see SysAdmin reference above), but a replacement of the hardware at both ends fixed whatever it was.
I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it for myself, but the users at my previous company could detect a 0.3 millisecond additional delay on a fibre line less than 100m long (they were whiny son's of bitches anyway). We took out the old Ethernet line out for some reason or another, and when we switched them over to this link there was instant complaints. They didn't even know we'd made the switch but still they cried.
So I guess we've already evolved that far... the next step would have to be inbuilt dart barrels or something so the next time they come to whine.......
Note: the delay appears to have been the switches at either end not working nicely with the new link medium
Personally I probably learnt more from the ones who didn't wear the suits, but if I ever have to deal with body odour like that again I will probably go postal. I now work with a bunch of 'arty' designers and Mac users, and definitely prefer the one's who take a moment longer to dress appropriately (two sales men and all the girls) as opposed to the smell and look of the others, who are generally smarter.
My $0.02 AU
Not so easy out here in Australia, especially with the hype generated by the media-whores about copyright infringement. A lot of stores make it policy not to take items back.
Funnily enough I have the least trouble with the K-Mart's and many of the 'smaller' chains out here. I guess the major stores don't care about the customer and only about the bottom line.
Definitely do. It's the only way I can keep the damn bean counters from getting into mission control!
Bah to hell with your consequences! CHARGE!
/. so no doubt someone will correct me)
Reminds me of the 40k Orc Codex: "We never lose... If we wins we win, if we dies we're dead so it don't count as beat and if we runz away we can come back to fight anuvva day" (Paraphrased of course - this is
Link provided by another friendly Australian bastard: AfroTech Mods
Well considering how much I enjoyed Sex-Ed I'm sort of surprised that I never passed Physical Education...
The tripwire installation (cold boot checking), Snort console and usage graphs say that my FreeBSD box hasn't been infected since it was installed.
There is one possibility, and that is there was code slipped into the repository prior to the 6.2-RELEASE CD's being created (verified the sum of the CD's when I got them) which could be rooting my box. I don't have the time to be doing (is it Orange book?) procedures that will ensure this doesn't happen. I'm with Rycross, there are so many ways to be infected that saying your not is just setting yourself up for a fall.