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Re: So basically...
Funny, how a true sentiment and observation will be classified as trolling.
As to how pre 1933 Nazi propaganda looked like there are plenty of examples. They scapegoated Jews but did not advocate killing them
In this example you will find this gem:
"The Jew is uncreative. He produces nothing"
Sad how the maker versus the taker rhetoric is still alive and well on the right fringe. The targeted minorities change, but the demagoguery remains the same,
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Re:"Historically", uh?
Historically speaking, that's where the real danger is.
If I understand you correctly, you are claiming that the "real danger" comes from the "socialist" left wing of politics. You curiously attached the adjective "historically", even though, in the history of democracy, not one single time has any established democracy ever been replaced by a repressive Soviet-style stalinist regime. Not. Once. Ever. The closest you get is when the USSR invaded the baltic states early in WW2, but that's more like a country-to-country invasion that would have happened no matter what the regime in Russia was.
As observed by Eric Hobsbawn in The Age of Extremes, real dangers to any established democracy have always, without exception come from the right wing of politics: fascism in Italy, nazism in Germany, Franco in Spain, Austro-fascism, Vichy France, various dictatorships in South America, the colonels' regime in Greece, Salazar in Portugal, the Shah in Persia, Suharto in Indonesia.
And the way dictatorships start is not by censoring news in a private media outlet, however despicable the practice may be; it is by instilling fear in the populace, identifying an enemy (real or imagined), and convincing the masses that they have to give up their rights and trust a heroic leader to gain security and maintain prosperity. Sounds like anyone you know?
Umm, Nazis were LEFT WING. Hence the name - National SOCIALIST WORKERS Party.
Josef Goebbels, head Nazi propagandist, per Wikipedia:
Another radical Nazi, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels had stressed the socialist character of Nazism, and claimed in his diary in the 1920s that if he were to pick between Bolshevism and capitalism, he said "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism."
And Hermann Goering sure thought Nazis were socialists:
My dear citizens! We are living through a National Socialist revolution. We emphasize the term “socialist” because many speak only of a “national” revolution. Dubious, but also wrong. It was not only nationalism that led to the breakthrough. We are proud that German socialism also triumphed. Unfortunately, there are still people among us today who emphasize the word “national” too strongly and who do not want to know anything about the second part of our worldview, which shows that they have also failed to understand the first part. Those who do not want to recognize a German socialism do not have the right to call themselves national.
Only he who emphasizes German socialism is truly national. He who refuses to speak of socialism, who believes in socialism only in the Marxist sense, or to whom the word “socialism” has an unpleasant ring, has not understood the deepest meaning of nationalism. He has not understood that one can only be a nationalist when one sees social problems openly and clearly. And on the other hand, one can only be a socialist when he clearly sees that nationalism must triumph to protect the living space of a people from outside forces.
...Two paragraphs, and Goering emphasizes the SOCIALISM of Nazis nine fucking times.
But hey, you're so downright fucking arrogant and so totally clueless that you claim to know better than Nazis like Goebbels and Goering themselves, isn't that so?
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Re:Pathetic Example
The Nazi's were hardcore socialists that very much believed is socialistic ideals. The Nazi's were very zealous about their socialism and enforcing it. They used everything from price and wage controls to verdant support for trains for the masses. Hitler was an adamant anti-capitalist and used this to support his genocide of the jews. Labor unions were replaced by government controlled unions and shops and other business were routinely seized by the state.
You can read some translated propaganda here where the Nazi's explained why they embraced socialism. In their own words:
We are socialists; We are enemies, mortal enemies, of the present-day capitalist economic systemâ¦We are resolved to annihilate this system despite everything.
The Soviets took them seriously enough to form a treaty with the Nazi's in the time leading up to WW2 - something they weren't in the habit of doing with other nations. Industry was effectively owned by the government (even when in name someone else held the title) and German industrial companies were seized as government assets for repatriation at the end of the war.
By way of example Hitler saw the need for a cheap car for the masses and ordered Ferdinand Porsche to design the original beetle to his specifications (Hitlers original sketch is a Google search away). The result was the founding of the Volkswagen (people's car) for the express purpose of building an affordable car for the masses. At the end of the war the English got that bit and almost put Volkswagen out to pasture, leaving it be only because they thought the company was worthless.
http://jerryfisher.hubpages.co...
Strip away all the genocide and war crimes and your left with very socialist ideals.
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Re:In another country, not so long ago,
before mass prosecution of certain ( ethnic ) groups broke out, the government also told its citizens: "Ordinary German citizens in good standing have nothing to fear from GeStaPo or SD, which services are there to protect them".
Well, that is the problem isn't it? The National Socialist German Workers' Party didn't consider Jews to be ordinary German citizens.
Germans, Buy only from the Jew! - by Joseph Goebbels - 10 December 1928
Goebbels satirically suggests that Germans should only buy from the Jews.
The title is a takeoff on a common Nazi slogan: “Germans: Don’t buy from the Jew!”Set out the Christmas tree. Daughters of Zion, rejoice! The good Germans are forging their own chains from their hard-earned coins. The Jewish financier will use them to impose eternal slavery on Germans. Who would not want to help advance world Jewry’s great benevolent work? Why do we have a neck, if not to bear a yoke? Germany has been for sale for ten years. Who does not want to help? Does anyone ask if the toy under the Christmas tree came from the Jew Tietz or the German Müller? The Jew will grow fat from the coins you give him, the German will starve. So what? Let the light shine on the Jews, let the Germans dwell in darkness. That is what the Lord of the Jews wants, as does his lackey Finance Minister Hilferding. Property is theft, as long as it does not belong to the Jew. Not a penny for the nobility, everything for the bank and stock exchange and department store swindlers!
Christmas is the festival of love. Why should we not love the poor Jews, even make them fat? Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you! When was the Jew not our enemy? When did he not hate and persecute and slander and spit on us? Who would be inhuman enough to demand that we should treat him according to the law he applies to us: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth?
The child whose birthday we will soon celebrate came into the world to bring love. But Christ the man learned that one cannot always get by with love. When he saw the Jewish moneychangers in the temple, he took a whip and drove them out of the temple.
Germans, buy only from Jews! Let your fellow citizens starve, and go to the Jewish department stores, especially at Christmas. The greater the injustice you do to your own people, the sooner the day will come when a man comes to take up the whip and drive the moneychangers from the temple of our fatherland
Anti-Jewish parade float - "Grumblers and Trouble-Makers go under the Roller"
I assure you there is more if you go looking.
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Go ask the guys
Go ask the guys over at Microwulf. They appear to have licked this particular challenge and link to others who have as well.
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I did this a little bit ago for fun.
For a portable case use a plastic footlocker, the kind with wheels and a hinged lid. This hinged lid was key for me as it allowed me to attach a keyboard, trackball mouse, and small monitor.
On the inside I have two ATX motherboards with dual core Athlon 64s, though I could have used anything had I felt like spending the money. The worker node has two graphics cards and an extra NIC for regular network traffic (the onboard gigabit NIC is used for message passing). The head node has an extra WiFi NIC as well for talking with the outside world. There are then two switches, one for each internal network, and two hard drives off the head node. The worker node boots off a USB stick. I found Ubuntu installed from a live CD provides a nice, small OS.
It's a little cramped (the top sides of the motherboards face each other), but there's enough room for the power supplies to divide the space down the middle, with the switches and hard drives mounted above that and opposite of one another. Everything is held in place with L brackets, plexiglass, screws and spacers. Between Newegg (computer hardware), Amazon (keyboard, mouse, and monitor), and the Home Depot (box and mounting hardware) the whole project only cost about $1,000.
What's really nice is that there's room enough in the box for four ATX systems with expansion cards, or probably eight-ten mini-ITX boards if you wanted to go that route.
If you haven't already, add these sites to your research:
http://www.clustermonkey.net/
http://debianclusters.org/index.php/Main_Page
http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/
They were extreemly valuable to me.
It won't be particularly easy, but it will be fun and rewarding like no other, and it makes a great mobile monster to show off to your friends! -
Re:Pity the fool
Funny but would you say that if they where showing Birth of a Nation? What if this poster was hung outside the class room. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/ewige.jpg
Honestly they didn't know it was from a movie and these days people fear anything in schools that imply violence that I am not shocked at all. You would be surpassed what people are scared of.
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Microwulf
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Your best bet
Study the design of the "microwulf" and it's relatives. Considering that hardware prices has dropped since 2009, your task might be achievable.
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Re:Ubuntu this and Ubuntu that
I just love how the GNU/FSF/Debian crowd use "Freedom" in the same twisted Anti-Fascist Protection Wall/Golden Shield Newspeak way as political regimes do. When I read their views on how horribly unfree BSD/MIT/ISC/PD-licensed software is, and how the only True Free Software is that under the GPL, I can't help but being reminded of fine rhetoric such as this: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/notiz3.htm
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Re:laughable
Yeah, like the privilege to wait in line for twelve hours to buy toilet paper.
Communism != Socialism.
As a matter of fact the economic systems are nearly the opposite of each other (as are their political roots: socialism is liberalism^2, communism is authoritarianism^2). Which is why if you actually read some history you'd see how the Nazis (National Socialists) were frequently at odds with the communists.
But don't let such trivialities like facts get in the way of your brainwashing.
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Re:Nominal Intel servers use about 88W
That's a graphics card though. It's likely that they're using a more general purpose CPU:
The microwulf (first cluster I could find data for) performs at 58.34 Mflops/Watt, so 58.34 Mflops/Watt * 65 Megawatts = 3,770 teraflops
The most efficient computer on the Green500 gets 536.24 Mflops/W so 536.24 Mflops/W * 65 Megawatts = ~ 34,083 teraflops
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Re:Vote up. First poster should have read his hist
What were the "innovations" that hitler courted the German vote with ? (he had a majority before he became dictator by falsifying attacks) You really don't want to know the answer to this one.
Sure, it's not what "we" want, not actually what the right wing "Nazis weren't right wing" guys like you doesn't want. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/schutzengel.jpg http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/papen2.jpg Nazi election propaganda was full of Anti-Communism and Anti-Socialism, Jingoistic, Militaristic - IOW just like the usual GOP ads.
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Re:Vote up. First poster should have read his hist
What were the "innovations" that hitler courted the German vote with ? (he had a majority before he became dictator by falsifying attacks) You really don't want to know the answer to this one.
Sure, it's not what "we" want, not actually what the right wing "Nazis weren't right wing" guys like you doesn't want. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/schutzengel.jpg http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/papen2.jpg Nazi election propaganda was full of Anti-Communism and Anti-Socialism, Jingoistic, Militaristic - IOW just like the usual GOP ads.
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Re: 800 Bucks to SpendI am a graduate student who wants a little extra computing power for scientific analysis work.
I have a small budget. 800 bucks.
I have heard of this guy building a microwulf cluster, http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf that generated some good flops, at least at that time. Today I can build that very same cluster for about 800 dollars.
My question: Is it better to go with a newer computer setup that falls within that budget, or go with the cluster. I will be doing image analysis work of function MRI data. Thanks.
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Re:Awful
"and through sequencing the genome have discovered that there is NO SUCH THING AS RACE."
About 50 years too late or so. Eugenics was the next big thing a century ago, and you had your learned professionals and intelligentsia speaking in favor of antimiscegenation laws and forced-sterilization laws... and that's just in the US.
"It's not SCIENCE that divides people and tells the to slaughter the "others," it's religion."
Then the fact that such atrocities went hand-in-hand with the Industrial Revolution was mere coincidence? What the Alexanders and Caesars and Genghises may have lacked in weapons technology they made up for with manpower, and yet their campaigns, while for the glory of their respective empires and spreading of their ways of life, never had the flavor of being for the sake of a "a pure Macedonian/Roman/Mongolian race and cleanse the world of the Other" and generally didn't care when people of different facial features or skin colors bedded each other. And even the holy wars at their worst respected the idea of conversion to the "proper" religion, generally sparing converts the sword or the flame.
It was progress and science that gave us men with letters after their last names that wrote books upon books about the differences between the "races" and pointed out that, even if they "worshiped correctly," they were still genetically inferior and no amount of human action would change that (e. g. a converted Jew was still, genetically, a Jew), so that it would be best for the "proper" race to remove them from the gene pool outright. They even went so far as to explain class distinction as a natural, scientific fact. It was only in recent decades that scientific findings began to support the egalitarian philosophies that took the world by storm two centuries ago; often, science and learning were used as arguments against the revolutionaries.
The Romans had their slaves, but slavery only took on its characteristic permanence and racial undertones in the age of steam. And I find it hard to believe that a racial minority would maintain its distinction in the Roman republic as long as it has in the American one.
"Hitler used religion"
Hitler used eugenics; a baptized Jew was still a Jew. And they were not alone in the concentration camps, as the Nazis sought to eliminate other genetically inferior people as well, such as homosexuals and gypsies.
"Stalin eliminated religion not to replace it with intellectualism (ever hear of Lysenko?) but rather to replace the power of religion with his own."
And the fact that the Bolshevists made certain that their philosophies had the airs and trappings of scientific research is wholly insignificant?
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Re:Nothing magical about threeThe problem with your switchless proposal is that you presume two ports of network connectivity per node and that all can be dedicated to inter-node communication. It's then hardly useful as there is no way to uplink it to transfer meaningful work/results in and out. I guess your answer would be to slap an ethernet card, but at three nodes, why bother, particularly if you are advocating on board NICs as the interconnect. You're certaining devoting a lot of energy to discrediting a spur-of-the-moment design (you did notice that the post was titled "My next Christmas wish", didn't you?), however it was based upon typical Beowulf clusters. For example, Microwulf (http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/design/) has just four nodes and uses $40 T-base/1000 for internal communications and a single $15 T-base/100 card installed on one of the ndoes to talk to the outside world. A year ago, the prototypical Microwulf provided 4 dual-core clusters for under $2,500; I was suggesting a similar design supporting 27 cores at a hopefully comparable cost.
Switchs may be cheap, but they ain't free: they cost money, they draw power, and they occupy space. Infiniband doesn't use cross-over cables, so there's no extra cost there; you just need to reconfigure one end of the connection in the software. It's always better to configure your nodes as similarly as possible, so if I were actually going to use Infiniband as an interconnect, I'd probably enable the subnet manager on the first port on all nodes, and disable it on the other port. This would allow easy expansion to a larger loop topology if my hypothtical budget ever allowed for the purchase of more of my fictitious three-socket mother boards. -
College in Michigan?
Try Calvin College...yeesh. Just because Taco went to Hope (bitter rivals)...grumble grumble...
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College in Michigan?
Try Calvin College...yeesh. Just because Taco went to Hope (bitter rivals)...grumble grumble...
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Re:Rare? Sez who?
This is certainly encouraging news. Is there some way we could get documented evidence of these FDA validated embedded systems? Not that I don't believe you, but a comment on Slashdot doesn't exactly stand up as a credible source in an academic setting. Documented examples would help our cause against our sometimes skeptical professors
:-).
If you can give us any info, reply to this post or contact us using the email address on our contact page.
- David
[ Rhythm Reloaded ]
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Re:Open source NOT a problem for FDA
We on [ Rhythm Reloaded ] tend to agree with this analysis, and that is the position we have taken in our PPFS. However, it would still be nice to have a documented example of an embedded medical device using open-source software passing FDA validation. It seems that most of the work in this area has been done with non-embedded systems that do not come into contact with patients (such as patient databases and the like).
If anyone has a concrete example they could give, we would appreciate it. Reply to this post or contact us using the email address on our contact page.
- David
[ Rhythm Reloaded ]
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Re:Sounds like nothing more than a bit of fun..
Opps, had to enable Java Scripts to see the link to http://knightvision.calvin.edu/bbcswebdav/orgs/ENGR/senior-projects/2007-08/Team06/project.html It is using a 32-bit microprocessor Coldfire MCF5275 Microprocessor, no knowledge of this chip. Tim S
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Re:Inexpensive, eh?
Its more of a meh-computer than a super-computer they should've slapped one of these together: http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/
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Calvin vs. Hope
Since Calvin College is far superior to Hope College in every respect (academics, sports, etc.), do you think that Slashdot would have taken off faster if run from the second floor of North Hall?
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Calvin vs. Hope
Since Calvin College is far superior to Hope College in every respect (academics, sports, etc.), do you think that Slashdot would have taken off faster if run from the second floor of North Hall?
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stark example of how fast things are changing
this quote blows my mind: it provides more than twice the general-computation performance of Deep Blue
http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/PP R/
talk about a great example of how fast computers are changing the world! 10 years later, and 2 academics can hobble together a $2500 that has twice the performance of the IBM flagship, technology showcasing supercomputer. -
Re:Imagine...
Professor Adams covers that on the Microwulf web site:
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The Prof behind it...
...is also one of several profs from the same college that put together one of the most widely used C++ programming books, which was also followed up by him and a couple others with a Java version. (Don't know how popular the Java version is though.)
For more check out his publications page.
He is also behind his colleges primary super computer, Ohm, which was put together back in 2003/2004 (1 Ghz/1GB RAM by 16 systems); and apparently he might have a new grant to upgrade it. -
The Prof behind it...
...is also one of several profs from the same college that put together one of the most widely used C++ programming books, which was also followed up by him and a couple others with a Java version. (Don't know how popular the Java version is though.)
For more check out his publications page.
He is also behind his colleges primary super computer, Ohm, which was put together back in 2003/2004 (1 Ghz/1GB RAM by 16 systems); and apparently he might have a new grant to upgrade it. -
Re:heat buildup issues?
I saw the pictures, and whilst there are fans on it, there is no enclosure around it to force airflow over the most important components. It looks like the fans just blow on the nearest cards perpendicular to the motherboard, causing stress on the cards, and additional vibration, without cooling the elements behind it.
I think this onehttp://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf /photos/Microwulf-Pages/Image3.html, especially, shows the futility of the fans. Good airflow design isn't easy.
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I like their "south" view
This one. Shows how south they went with the "Can fit on someone's desk" idea. I personally would want to hide it my grandma's closet!
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Re:not so impressive...
Are Intel processors "super computers" now or something?
Yes, they are if you cluster them, that's the trick. Here they used: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 CPU and they reach a very good performance with it, compared to the price.
I think it's a nice thing, and can be useful for a lot of things especially if you are on low budget. If you cluster Opterons or something it'll get pretty fast expensive.
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Re:not so impressive...
Are Intel processors "super computers" now or something?
Yes, they are if you cluster them, that's the trick. Here they used: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 CPU and they reach a very good performance with it, compared to the price.
I think it's a nice thing, and can be useful for a lot of things especially if you are on low budget. If you cluster Opterons or something it'll get pretty fast expensive.
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Re:not so impressive...
http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/b
u dget/
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 CPU x 4
It's two clicks from the summary.
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Re:Reminds me of AliceAlice is pretty decent for a gentle intro to programming concepts. More useful, IMHO, than the Turtle Logo I learned on at that age. My home schooled kids (8 & 11) use it daily as part of their work. After a while, I'm going to introduce them to a more "real" programming system with Phrogram.
If anyone's interested in Alice, there's an archive of Alice summer camp projects here.
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Analysts like Gilder like doing this.So what if I spend 10 minutes devising some silly and arbitrary, yet very simple formula to place value on something as subjective as the value of a network.
Can I get that formula named after me??
Only if you can get some analyst like the George Gilder mentioned in TFA to popularize it. Remember, this is the guy who says Bernie Ebbers i sa nice guy and is a favorite editior fo Forbes (of SCO quality 'journalism') fame. -
Re:No Politics?
Nazism was not "Christian," and you won't be able to find any evidence of that (aside from some website run by such as yourself, making yet more undocumented claims to that effect).
You mean no evidence other than every single relevant fact? Are you off your meds, or do you just know nothing whatsoever about the subject and just felt like lying?
Extremist religiousness is a critical part of fascism. Christianity just happened to be the common religion chosen by the Italian and German fascists just as it has been chosen by the current fascist administration of America.
some examples pulled from this website which I do not run and which lists numerous sources for the facts that prove you to be either hideously ignorant or a liar:
In 1929 Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with Pope Pius XI. This established Catholicism as the official religion of the State, gave the Pope increased political powers, gave papal sovereignty to Vatican City, ensured that the Catholic religion would be taught in all schools, compensated the Pope with $90 million for the loss of papal property since 1870, and cemented broad Catholic support for Mussolini.
In Hitler's 1920 NSDAP 25 point agenda, point number 24:
We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence and do not offend the moral feelings of the German race.
The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.
What was ultimately important in Germany was a belief in God, whatever form that belief took, as this 1937 article on education, Educational Principles of the New Germany; What Schools and Parents Need to Know About the Goals of National Socialist Education, states:
Life comes from God and returns to God. All life and all races follow God's ordinances. No people and no race can ignore them. We want the German youth to again recognize the religious nature of life. They must realize that God wants the individual as well as the whole people, and that they lose contact with life when they lose contact with God! God and nation are the two foundations of the life of the individual and the community. We want no shallow and superficial piety, rather a deep faith that God guides the world, that he controls it, and a consciousness of the relationship between God and each individual, and between God and the live of the people and the fatherland. The National Socialist state will promote such a deeply religious educational system. We want parents to support and strengthen this by honesty and by good example.
There are so many other examples that it is extremely hard to believe that you could have done any research whatsoever into the subject before spouting that ignorant nonsense. Try actually using your brain once in a while, it'll make the world a better place for everybody. -
Re:Forbidden
Oops. You can copy and paste the link into your browser address bar, and it should work. Seems like the site just doesn't like it if the referrer is some other site (like Slashdot).
That cartoon isn't anything special in itself - it's more the feelings behind it that are relevant. There's more on the German Propaganda Archive (link is to WWII era posters, cartoons etc.) -
Re:Well, duh!
I have to agree with you. I read through the article and examples, and it doesn't seem much easier than progamming using SDL in C.
If anyone is interested in programming in SDL in C, here is a great online book about it:
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Re:I couldn't disagree more.
Respectfully, this debate only takes place on internet forums and PTA meetings in backward states (I'm looking at you, Kansas).
Respectfully, you're wrong. Try institutions like Calvin College of Michigan, Messiah College of Pennsylvania, and numerous other colleges, universities, high schools, middle schools, and elementary schools - though the usually are K-12. As I referred in another couple posts over the last year, for example see check out the book linked in this discussion. It's not by a creationist, and the author thought they would find the exact opposite of what she did find, and the topic of evolution vs. creation was only one part of what she looked at. -
old habits die hard
None of my close friends give any credit to creationism or ID, but we're all well educated athiests so I guess that's to be expected. Maybe I've been blind to the views of the majority in this proudly secular country?
Ugh. Seriously.Why does this have to be divided along these lines? There are plenty of scientists across all disciplines who are both religious and intelligent, who give science its due and keep religion out of the results of experimentation. I believe in God (and happen to also be well-educated), but that in no way precludes my belief that evolution is, in fact, the way things happened (and continue to happen). My father-in-law is a respected geologist in the field of igneous petrology, a wonderful human being, and a devout Christian. His Christianity doesn't undermine his science or vice versa. My undergrad institution is a Christian liberal arts school, but the science classes exhibit scientific excellence, not dogmatic allegiance to a forgone conclusion.
Shrill, self-styled "iconoclast" Creationists/ID-ers by no means comprise the majority of Christianity. Most Christian denominations, in fact, teach that the book of Genesis is intended to teach about the character of God and God's relation to humanity, not science. For heaven's (and earth's!) sake, can we break out of this outdated generalization??
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Open Your Eyes, Protestants
Being raised in a Catholic environment, maybe I can shed some light on this topic.
The controversy is on whether God created us just as how we look nowaday. As archaeologists have proven from what they dug out, the people in the history has a bit different in body shapes compare to how we look like now. When the Bible said God created the man in His image, it does not necessary mean the physical appearance. I believe His image that God created us has something to do with our souls, and it is what distinguished us from those monkeys and apes.
Those who insisted on intelligent design-ism (as in anti-evolution) nowadays is actually no difference from those who claimed that earth is the center of universe in the middle age. Why can't we Christians just open up our mind and clear up our misunderstandings of God's words?
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Re:Not Surprising
how does that affect the bulk of scientific research? It doesn't, so quit whining. [...] there just isn't much societal or monetary reward for people to enter research fields.
You're so close to connecting the dots on this one. Let me help a bit.
Talking to friends in grad school, it turns out that part of the lack of societal reward is the low public respect they see toward scientific methods or expert opinion. Evolution is as fundamental to biology as electrons are to chemistry, but they see the president and a host of other leaders wanting to "teach the controversy," a fictional controversy which has shakier evidence than what the UFO nuts use. Ditto for religious intervention in public health and medical research.
As to monetary rewards, they see cuts in basic science funding, and increased career risk for anybody who does science that might challenge right-wing views on a host of topics from climate to drug prohibition.
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Re:Get it right..
Creationists are not open about teaching anything and letting anyone decide. They have a world view and will do anything to uphold it and get others to agree to it. It is not far from a creationist to the torturers of the inquisition who would torture a captive until he confessed, repented and accepted God. Then they would kill him, his sould saved the only justification they needed. Creationists are cut from the same evil cloth and care only about their delusional ideas about saving fictional souls.
Uhh...you're about 300 years late on that one.
Try going to and participating in the various "Creationist" and "Theo-evolutionist" colleges. Here's a few just to make it easy for you: Calvin College, Messiah College. And yes, there are some who will not allow anything else, but the majority are looking at all views.
Now compare what you find there to any state college, and you'll find a vast difference in who is providing thinkers. Colleges such as Calvin and Messiah challenge students to think against the grain - to challenge what is being put before them - yes, challenge creationism and evolutionism, and all the other theories out there. Comparitively, state colleges simply put forth "evolution or the highway".
There is actually a good book out on it called God on the Quad: How Religious Colleges and the Missionary Generation Are Changing America. (Note: The author is not a creationist, far from it actually.) -
Re:mirror list
For the Mac OS X version (eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz):
[Austria] Vienna University of Technology
http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/softeng/eclipse/R-3.1-20050 6271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[Canada] Groupe d'utilisateurs de Linux de l'UdeS
http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/appl/eclipse/eclip se/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK- 3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[France] ObjectWeb Consortium (INRIA - French National Inst
http://eclipse.objectweb.org/downloads/drops/R-3.1 -200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[Germany] University of Applied Sciences Esslingen
http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/eclip se/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbo n.tar.gz
[Hungary] Gabriel Consulting
http://eclipse.gabriel.co.hu/downloads/drops/R-3.1 -200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[Slovenia] bevc.net
http://mirrors.bevc.net/eclipse/download/drops/R-3 .1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar. gz
[Switzerland] SWITCHmirror
http://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/eclipse/downloads/d rops/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-car bon.tar.gz
[Turkey] Hacettepe University, Department of Computer Science & Engineering
http://mirrors.cs.hacettepe.edu.tr/eclipse.org/ecl ipse/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SD K-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[United Kingdom] UK Mirror Service
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.eclips e.org/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-ca rbon.tar.gz
[United States] Calvin College
http://mirror.calvin.edu/eclipse/downloads/drops/R -3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.ta r.gz
[United States] Calvin College (ftp)
ftp://mirror.calvin.edu/eclipse/downloads/drops/R- 3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar .gz
Unfortunately as of 2005-06-29 02:26:39 BST none are updated yet, hopefully all the rsync mirroring cronjobs'll complete soon! -
Re:mirror list
For the Mac OS X version (eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz):
[Austria] Vienna University of Technology
http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/softeng/eclipse/R-3.1-20050 6271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[Canada] Groupe d'utilisateurs de Linux de l'UdeS
http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/appl/eclipse/eclip se/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK- 3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[France] ObjectWeb Consortium (INRIA - French National Inst
http://eclipse.objectweb.org/downloads/drops/R-3.1 -200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[Germany] University of Applied Sciences Esslingen
http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/eclip se/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbo n.tar.gz
[Hungary] Gabriel Consulting
http://eclipse.gabriel.co.hu/downloads/drops/R-3.1 -200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[Slovenia] bevc.net
http://mirrors.bevc.net/eclipse/download/drops/R-3 .1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar. gz
[Switzerland] SWITCHmirror
http://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/eclipse/downloads/d rops/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-car bon.tar.gz
[Turkey] Hacettepe University, Department of Computer Science & Engineering
http://mirrors.cs.hacettepe.edu.tr/eclipse.org/ecl ipse/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SD K-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[United Kingdom] UK Mirror Service
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.eclips e.org/R-3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-ca rbon.tar.gz
[United States] Calvin College
http://mirror.calvin.edu/eclipse/downloads/drops/R -3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.ta r.gz
[United States] Calvin College (ftp)
ftp://mirror.calvin.edu/eclipse/downloads/drops/R- 3.1-200506271435/eclipse-SDK-3.1-macosx-carbon.tar .gz
Unfortunately as of 2005-06-29 02:26:39 BST none are updated yet, hopefully all the rsync mirroring cronjobs'll complete soon! -
mirror list
note that not all of the mirrors are updated yet
http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/softeng/eclipse/R-3.1-20050 6271435/
http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/eclip se/R-3.1-200506271435/
http://eclipse.gabriel.co.hu/downloads/drops/R-3.1 -200506271435/
http://www.eclipse.ps.pl/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200 506271435/
http://mirrors.bevc.net/eclipse/download/drops/R-3 .1-200506271435/
http://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/eclipse/downloads/d rops/R-3.1-200506271435/
http://mirrors.cs.hacettepe.edu.tr/eclipse.org/ecl ipse/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200506271435/
http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/appl/eclipse/eclip se/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200506271435/
http://mirror.reachable.ca/eclipse/downloads/drops /R-3.1-200506271435/
http://mirror.calvin.edu/eclipse/downloads/drops/R -3.1-200506271435/
http://ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/mirrorsites/eclipse/eclip se/downloads/drops/R-3.1-200506271435/ -
Re:Go tell the Kansians
This link provides more insight into the various Creation ~isms (I wouldn't say it is authoritative, but it is a good primer).
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Re:Typical Lame Soundbite
"Manipulates" is a tinfoil hat word. Everybody sees a big sophisticated conspiracy where simple ineptness is far more likely. We're talking a noname web news site, not another Joseph Goebbels.
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Re: Required response.
Socialists are for workers rights, the National Socialists were, to say the least, not.
Though Jews in Germany made up just 2% of the population, they owned about 60% of the companies and so were viewed as representing the capitalist class and in control of the economy.
Here is an interesting chart that appeared in a 1930's German paper. The caption :
A picture of German economic life in 1930: Each column shows a branch of the German economy, The figure to the left shows the total number of companies. The number of Jewish firms is shown by the black bar, the non-Jewish by the white bar. When one remembers that according to the 1925 census there were "only" about 555,000 religious Jews in Germany -- which means by a generous estimate no more than a million Jews by blood in 1930, there are 60 to 100 Germans for each Jew. This makes clear what it means when, for example, up to 60% of the German economy is led by Jews. (p. 36)
Nazis viewed themselves as representing average German workers versus Jewish capitalists.
Or consider this story from the book Der Giftpilz, an anti-Semitic children's book published by Julius Streicher:
Money is the God of the Jews
Liselotte looks out at the cottage window towards evening and talks to her mother about the hard way in which father has to work. She says:
"Do you know, mother, what I sometimes wish? I should like to be rich. Very rich! And with my money I would make people happy. I should love to help the poor!"
They go on talking. Liselotte asks:
"Tell me, mother, how does it happen that the Jews are so rich? Our teacher has told us at school that here are thousands of Jews in the world who are millionaires. And yet the Jews do not work. It is the non-Jews who must work. The Jew only trades. But one cannot become a millionaire by trading with paper, bones, old clothing and furniture!"
Mother explains how it is done.
"The Jew is quite indifferent when the cheated non-Jew goes hungry. Jews have no pity. They strive for one thing: -- money. They do not care two hoots how they get it."
Liselotte asks how they can behave in this mean way.
Mother answers:
"Child, one thing you must realise. The Jew is not a person like us. The Jew is a Devil. And a Devil has no sense of honour. A Devil deals only in meanness and crime. You have read your Bible, Liselotte. There it says the Jewish God once said to the Jews: 'You must eat up the people of the earth!' Do you know what that means? It means the Jew should destroy all other peoples. They should bleed and exploit them till they die. That is what it means."
Liselotte tries to understand these things.
Mother continues:
"Yes, my child, that's the Jew! The God of the Jews is gold. There is no crime he would not commit to get it. He has no rest till he can sit on the top of a gold-sack. He has no rest till he has become King Money. And with this money he would make us all into slaves and destroy us. With this money he seeks to dominate the whole world. All that is contained in the following saying:
'The Jew has only one idea in this world;
It is: Money, Money, Money!
By every kind of trick and device
To make himself immeasurably rich.
What cares he for scorn and contempt!
Money was and is his God!
Through money he hopes to lord it over us,
And achieve the mastery of the world.' "
You can't deny it. Nazism is a form of class warfare, with Jews representing the monied class. Hostile opposition to the monied class is a hallmark of many philosophies claiming to represent the workers and most of those classify themselves as socialist.