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Probably still RH/Fedora...
So if all versions were known, what would be the #1 distro for hosting?
Probably still RedHat/Fedora. It's quick, easy to set up, well supported, has decent-to-good administration tools, and gives good Karma to both you and your boss.
We use Fedora for both our dedicated servers (to be leased/rented to clients) and for internal use. We theoretically offer FreeBSD installs as well, but no one has ever taken us up on that offer (I wonder why)...
RH's kickstart and anaconda features are godsends, the text-only and curses utilities are more than adequate when needed, and with Yum I know longer have to care about RPM dependancy hell.
Gentoo? Give me my three days back, please.
Debian? I suppose... but something smells "stagnant" to me and it's not just the water.
*BSD? Too complex for most customers, and a headache I'd rather not have to deal with on our production machines. There's very little that the BSDs can offer me (for the time invested in learning all the "oddities" (from my perspective)) that's worth it for me to move over.
Your mileage may vary, but mine stays pretty constant.
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Re:Judge vs jury
Don't you think that you have relatively higher chance of explaining what is a "nanotube" to someone who is sufficiently educated, even in law, than to a group of housewives and computer technicians?
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Re:I "Read"...I *read* Playboy. No, really...it's for the articles!!
I always said that the worst sort of perverts were the ones who read the articles instead of looking at the pictures.
From what I've heard of the articles, I was probably right. Since Playboy stopped publishing the works of Kilgore Trout, it's all been downhill.
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Linux on the iPod
And now for the obligatory question, "Does it tell you how to put Linux on your iPod?"
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Re:I don't believe Ken Brown wrote that book
this independant research report agrees with you -- there is no way Ken Brown could have written that book from scratch.
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Re:Criticism without Solution
Sterling's objections seemed pretty incoherent to me.
Heh, when reading this part of the article:
"Opposition to nuclear energy is based on irrational fear fed by Hollywood-style fiction, the Green lobbies and the media. (((No it isn't.))) These fears are unjustified, (((oh no they're not)))
I immediately thought of the Monty Python argument skit:
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
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Get this off the ground quick.
Seems to me that if the ultimate end-product of this energy produciton method is vegetable oil, then perhaps using it to produce food grade oil might be a good first step for this technology to gain widespread adoption. Without all the hassle of using farmland to raise, spray, harvest and process corn, there's bound to be huge gains in store (instead of grains in store) for companies like Riceland Foods, Cargill Foods, and Archer Daniel Midland.
That is, should they be able to adapt quickly enough...
A little googling turned up this essay that references the aforementioned companies. It suggests that something like what we're talking about here might actually cause them some trouble:
The major problem that would force the Vegetable Oil Industry to disintegrate would be technology based. For example, genetically engineered products are becoming more popular.
IMO, although algae is a loose fit for 'genetically engineered [crops]', the impact would be profound for industry outside of fuel production. -
Slackware with default install
I would not have recommended this to new users up until about 3 weeks ago, when I installed version 9.1 for the first time. It has changed quite a bit from what I remember, and if you perform the install with the default options, it will give you quite a bit including java runtime and alsa by default. I haven't looked at fedora core 2 yet, but you definately didn't get this with fedora core 1 or debian. The one problem is that the sound is still muted by default, which could throw some people off. But other than that, it has those two really big things people want in the default install, and if they choose to use gnome or kde, they will have a rich windows compatable desktop ready to use. Also there is a very simple and new user friendly book/manual
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Re:Slashdotted already?
What's wrong with the torrents?
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Re:Ack - Good DVD iso's hard to find
Many of the mirrors do not have the DVD iso....
The original article points to a web page with a list of links to various ISO images, including x86 64 DVD and i386 DVD images.
Granted, it's not a mirror, it's a bittorrent. Using it is not painful or difficult. For large files, bittorrent is the current distribution method. Would you want to host a 4.1 GB file for download? Even for one or two users at a time?
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Re:Ack - Good DVD iso's hard to find
Many of the mirrors do not have the DVD iso....
The original article points to a web page with a list of links to various ISO images, including x86 64 DVD and i386 DVD images.
Granted, it's not a mirror, it's a bittorrent. Using it is not painful or difficult. For large files, bittorrent is the current distribution method. Would you want to host a 4.1 GB file for download? Even for one or two users at a time?
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Re:Ack - Good DVD iso's hard to find
Many of the mirrors do not have the DVD iso....
The original article points to a web page with a list of links to various ISO images, including x86 64 DVD and i386 DVD images.
Granted, it's not a mirror, it's a bittorrent. Using it is not painful or difficult. For large files, bittorrent is the current distribution method. Would you want to host a 4.1 GB file for download? Even for one or two users at a time?
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Re:CD iso's available?
All you have to do is look at the download page or the torrents to see what you need...
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Re:Exactly
I just wish something just like apt-get existed for the rpm world that made it just as easy to update. However, I've read of projects in the works just for that so I'm sure "rpm hell" will be over a lot sooner than "dll hell" lasted.
I believe the apt system also handles rpms now. Also, checkout YUM (from the ppc distro), which uses apt-get to manage rpm dependencies.
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Re:Familiar pair for atheists.
Education has the highest correlation coefficient to lack of belief in a personal god. By most surveys, more than 90% of professional scientists don't believe in a personal god.
I can buy the second statement, but not necessarily the first. There are plenty of people with higher education who are not scientists.
In fact in most churches a prerequisite to joining the clergy is an advanced degree. Furthermore, the "professional degree" that you need to be a priest or pastor is a Master of Divinity, which normally requires an undergraduate degree, much like a law degree. There are no shortage of top universities that have excellent theology or divinity departments. Some of the world's most influential and interesting thinkers have been theologians.
As for the "90% of scientists" claim, I think that's a nasty prejudice on the part of scientists, rather than something to be proud of. Think about it: science and religion explore orthogonal aspects of life, neither of which is any less real than the other. Science tells us about what we can observe and test; religion illuminates things that are by nature untestable, like morality, ethics, compassion, and love for our fellow man.
In spite of what some might say, science can't really illuminate our understanding of God very much, because by nature you can't perform an experiment on God. Furthermore God can easily escape whatever assumptions a scientist may make (or, as one Vatican astronomer put it, "God is not a boundary condition"). By the same token our understanding of God can't do much to illuminate science, because when (for example) the bible contradicts a scientific observation, the observation must win. Fortunately most mainline religions acknowledge this, it's just the loudmouth conservative wackos who perpetuate the stereotype that a Christian believes the world is four thousand years old.
In fact my opinion is that the existence of God is an axiom. This fits because axioms are initial assumptions that cannot be tested, and as yet nobody has even developed a convincing test for the existence of God. One either believes that God exists or doesn't exist, and that belief affects the remaining propositions in one's life as any other axiom might. In no way is this incompatible with a career in science. In fact, if one believes (as I do) that God exists, what we know about the universe contributes to a sense of awe concerning the greatness of God. And, as one theologian suggests, this is one important aspect of religion: the "fear" of God puts you and your petty problems into perspective.
Religion really isn't about heaven, or hell, or converting as many atheists as possible, or strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing up a cafe. Religion is about suppressing your own ego and having compassion for those around you, which is something that a lot of scientists could sorely use. -
Re:Yum
Try this to fix the unneeded space in 'hints' above...
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Re:DVD Version?
I personally like apt-rpm but I am also a big fan of yum. yum kind of took the best parts of apt and improved them, kinda like emerge did too.I run debian and fedora, and apt is superior at some things but yum holds its own in many areas as well, its also a bit easier to use. Assuming you already know enough about apt, here is a link to read about yum.
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Re:where to get bit-torrent RPM?and then looked for a bit torrent RPM for to use on my Fedora system, I learned that
... there doesn't seem to be such an RPM available.Look harder - http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/btrpms/
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Bumps are vortex generatorsFrom the article:
As whales move through the water, the tubercles disrupt the line of pressure against the leading edge of the flippers. The row of tubercles sheers the flow of water and redirects it into the scalloped valley between each tubercle, causing swirling vortices that roll up and over the flipper to actually enhance lift properties. "The swirling vortices inject momentum into the flow," said Howle. "This injection of momentum keeps the flow attached to the upper surface of the wing and delays stall to higher wind angles."
This has been known to aerodynamicists for some time; there are vortex generators on many aircraft, including on the vertical stabilizers of many Cessnas (to improve the ability to resist turning forces during engine-out operations), on the leading edges of wings (to improve the attachment of airflow over the wings at high angles of attack and thereby increase the control effectiveness of the ailerons behind them), on the insides of the fan shrouds on the Boeing 757, and in other places.This is not to say that this research doesn't show us anything we didn't already know, but it isn't exactly a huge revelation either.
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Re:For god's sake
Even if the future isn't going to sway against copyright anytime soon, does that mean we should all just switch to the "winning" side?
Of course not.
Personally I see the draconian measures as a sign of desperation.
I hope you're correct, but there are those who have compared modern Intellectual Property trends with a second enclosure movement and unfortunately, even many in the F/OSS movement seem to prefer more control over their creative works.
I have a hope that the people will eventually rise against them and get rid of them, preferably peacefully.
I'm sure freedom will win out long-term, but the short term has been gearing up to be rather nasty. -
Re:Oh no!
I currently have 2 torrents open on a development server here at work. Fedora Core 2 Test 3 (we're not even talking release software) has from this machine alone, uploaded 199GB. I also have Knoppix 3.4 English with 48BG.
Sounds like someone is using it for good use. You can probably look that the individual torrents page for FC2T3 and Knoppixv3.4_EN and see with just these two examples. -
Re:Only reason I'm on XP...Ximian Red Carpet is the way to go, if you're using Red Hat or SuZE.
If you mean just the original installation, download the ISOs (this one's Red Hat Fedora, but you can Google for another) using bittorrent (I use Azureus). I believe that the Knoppix Live CD distro has its own installer.
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Re:Language shouldn't matter!
Not sure if This Fool still has anything to do with AP CS, but his AP CS book was probably the worst computer related book I've ever read (littered with errors, for starters).
Read the last sentence of that page?
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Re:Language shouldn't matter!
OS Design? Fascinating, but ultimately irrelevant for 99% of coders. Implementing your own hashtables? Useful to gain an insight into how they work, but virtually any development platform people work in except raw C these days will provide highly tuned and optimized hashtable implementations. If anything you shouldn't roll your own, as it'll make your code less readable, more bloated and probably slower.
No offense, but people like you are the reason I'm glad I didn't major in CS. If you can't see the value of OS design and learning how hash tables work, stop, do not pass go, do not collect your diploma, it's utterly wasted on you. I'm amazed at how many CS graduates I've spoken with that have never heard the name Donald Knuth or at least borrowed a copy of The Art of Computer Programming. The fact that Computer Science is a MATHEMATICAL SCIENCE seems to elude most people who'd rather worry about how good of programmers they are than about knowing how the hell things work. None of the coding I learned came from a school, and frankly, I'm quite happy about that, as too many schools are all about the "latest and greatest" technology. The AP exam is a PERFECT example. Not sure if This Fool still has anything to do with AP CS, but his AP CS book was probably the worst computer related book I've ever read (littered with errors, for starters).
It seems no one cares how things work. The "black box" analogy was emphasized in AP Computer Science from Day 1 when I took it. The worst possible thing you can be telling budding Computer Scientists is that we don't care how it works, it just does. That's fine when you've proven your ability to perform and are working in an environment where it's literally impossible to know how everything works. It's not acceptable, however, when you know nothing and the sole purpose of a course is to teach you. OK, I've gotten myself quite angry over this post, so I'm ending it now. -
mmm, tasty
yum is a very tasty treat for keeping rh9 boxes up to-date. using it to keep some SAP workstations (for the rovers) running
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two words...
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Re:BitTorrent
Did you grab your torrents from here? I started the binary torrent about 1 hour ago and have only 1 hour left. I have had a constant 2Mbs or so on my cable modem. I am on the tampabay.rr.com network.
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Re:Debian and Fedora...
Then use a BitTorrent link to download it.
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Torrent link
If u want to really download it use the Bittorrent link or wait for 2 days.
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Please use BitTorrent!!!
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Re:Sheesh - All Around Wrong
1). It's "Ledbelly"
No it's not. His surname was Ledbetter, but his nickname was Leadbelly. More info about his life can be found here. If you still think it's Ledbelly, look at the photo of his gravestone at the bottom of the page.
If there are any slashdotters who don't know who the hell he is, you might know at least one song he wrote : Where did you sleep last night which was sung by Nirvana on MTV Unplugged -
Re:Anything's better than RPM though
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Re:why? easy.
I'm pretty sure Yellowdog uses yum as well now. The repository list has entries for it, and the SourceForge page for what appears to be the original updater hasn't seen an update in years.
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Re:why? easy.This is a matter of personal preference really.
One obvious reason is that Yellow Dog is completely free as in beer and OSX is not. You have to purchase every second update and it is not *completely* open source. Even if it IS apple, the magic words, "open-source" does make people listen up.
If compatibility with industry standard programs such as Microsoft Office and Photoshop is not needed, and if the UI is unimportant to you, then linux might be an option.
People use OSX to have the best of both worlds: to have the familiar "hacker" interface, the shell, and also have the convenience of programs. If you're going to run a server, linux will run faster, without Cocoa or X Windows, no question about it. Or, if you're addicted to KDE or fluxbox, why use the Aqua interface then? (yes, there IS an X11 server for apple, but hey, it is an alternative...)
The most convincing reason, I think, is the rpm format. You can use programs like yum although I believe that is for i386, and redhat/fedora, but certainly, it derived from the original yellow dog updater (would anyone care to provide a link?). You can keep your system up to date easily with a known technology, set as a cron job, perhaps.
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Have your cake AND eat it, too!Packages and package managers solve a real problem: Keeping track of software installations, their files, and their interdependencies is hard, hard work. By packaging software and using good, "higher-level", package managers (like yum and apt-get) you can delegate most of this problem to the computer. That's a smart move.
It's still a smart move if you're building from source. Just package your source. Then you can build the sources under the control of a package manager (like RPM), and install the resulting packages. You get the full benefits of build-from-scratch and the full benefits of using packages.
This is exactly the approach I use. In fact, I'm a bit more strict about it: My policy is that I don't install any software that isn't packaged. If I need to install something that isn't packaged, I'll package it first. If I don't like the way a packager built an already existing package, I'll repackage it.
The bottom line is that creating your own packages (or fixing packages you don't like) is much easier than maintaining a from-scratch, unpackaged installation. Or ten of them.
To get you started, here a couple of RPM-building references:
- The fight, my first attempt to make a readable rpm package building introduction.
- Fedora's RPM Building Guidelines
Don't give up the benefits of source. Don't give up the benefits of packaging. Have them both.
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Forget Brian!
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Re:What's in a word ?
because I wonder how many musicians today can actually read music
All of them.
Dave Brubeck can't [duke.edu]. Django Reinhardt couldn't [playjazzguitar.com]. Paco de Lucia can't [geocities.com] (he learned the notation when he wanted to record Falla's classical pieces and Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez, but it was laborious). Not all musicians need to know to read music, and not all musical cultures use western notation even when they write music (eg, India).
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Re:What's in a word ?
because I wonder how many musicians today can actually read music
All of them.
Dave Brubeck can't. Django Reinhardt couldn't. Paco de Lucia can't (he learned the notation when he wanted to record Falla's classical pieces and Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez, but it was laborious). Not all musicians need to know to read music, and not all musical cultures use western notation even when they write music (eg, India).
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Bah!What's a little epilepsy when you've got NICE FAT NEURONS? And what's a little cardiac arrest when you can be nice and thin?
This smells like an advert for the herbal suppliments people. Remember, you can say anything on the label as long as you say that the FDA has not verified those claims in fine print somewhere on it. And people will buy into anything if you make it sound scientific and claim that Researchers at Some University think it could be revolutionary. I bet you could convince people to take mercury suppliments without too much effort. Hell, there was just a story on NPR the other day about that being a problem in some South American countries.
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attn all you IANALs: remember apple v windows 1.0?
Wow.
Hundreds of doomsayers predicting the demise of this, and not one mention (modded up at least) of Windows ripping off the Mac interface...and Apple LOSING the subsequent lawsuit.
According to one legal analysis, Microsoft's legal strategy was that of "breaking Apple's nebulous 'gestalt' and 'look-and-feel' theory into specific identifiable elements and then knocking each one down like uncopyrightable bowling pins...demonstrating nearly two dozen windowing systems...that used elements Apple claimed to own.
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Re:Not just those 2 distros
Tell me, Idiot, where in my response, where I proved your statement inaccurate, did you determine that I hadn't read your post?
Tell me, Idiot, where in your post did you prove him wrong, or even attempt to do so? Your response was so totally irrelevant to his point that you can't possibly have understood what he said.
If you want to prove he was inaccurate, you'll have to point out where a Windows users can get a single DVD containing (as you say) "Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Getright, Visual Studio, Nero, Digital Camera support, optimized ATI drivers, wireless NIC drivers". Like a Microsoft equivalent to this.
Maybe one of the hoodlums peddling software on Hong Kong's sidewalks could set me up with a disc like that for "fie dolla", but can you suggest any non-criminal alternatives?
Whose responsibility is it again to ensure there are no conflicts?
The distro itself. Companies like RedHat and volunteers like Debian take conflicts between packages very seriously and take aggressive action when a user reports one. -
Re:"Communicated to the brain?"Making chips that interface with actual brains in actual animals, even if they are snails, is still a long way off.
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Re:Tattoos
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Re:FreeBSD ports collection
Yum (included in Fedora) and apt with RPMs make an excellent combination. I find apt to be about the same as this combination, but less intuitive for me.
From the Yum page: Yum is an automatic updater and package installer/remover for rpm systems. It automatically computes dependencies and figures out what things should occur to install packages. It makes it easier to maintain groups of machines without having to manually update each one using rpm.
Try it in ferdora - it's delicious
Combined with such repositories as ATrpms and FreshRPMS and I can find and install about any software title I'm looking for and have the dependencies installed easily. -
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http://www.apple-history.com/movies/1984.mov
Plus, a neato article on it here: http://www.duke.edu/~tlove/mac.htm