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Not true, if you don't mind RC4. Go to openoffice.org, click on "Projects", scroll down the page and click on "Porting", then click on "Mac OS X" on the left menu. Here's the direct link: http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/OOo_3.0.0rc4_MacOSXPowerPC_install_en-GB.dmg.

Not true, if you don't mind RC4. Go to openoffice.org, click on "Projects", scroll down the page and click on "Porting", then click on "Mac OS X" on the left menu. Here's the direct link: http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/OOo_3.0.0rc4_MacOSXPowerPC_install_en-GB.dmg.

Yes there is, but apparently they just shipped 3.0rc4 as the 3.0.0 release. See here : http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/

For now, you can get PowerPC builds from a third party. (I have posted this information before, but affected users might be more likely to find it here.) They don't have 3.0 yet, but you can get 3.0rc4. The most annoying thing is that OO.o actually has PPC builds of 3.0, but only for a few languages, and English is not among them. What's up with that?

For some reason, OO.o isn't providing a PowerPC build of OpenOffice 3.0 in English. You can get 3.0 in French or Japanese, but the latest English build is 2.4. During development of 3.0, PPC builds have been provided by a third party, but they seem to have stopped at 3.0rc4. I wonder why.

It's here:

http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/OOo_3.0.0rc4_MacOSXPowerPC_install.dmg

And there are different language versions in the same directory:
http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/

It's here:

http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/OOo_3.0.0rc4_MacOSXPowerPC_install.dmg

And there are different language versions in the same directory:
http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/

http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/3.0.0rc4/

If there's an RC4 installer, I presume someone's going to compile the GM as well.

Sun can't build for PPC, simply because they have no PPC machines (I suppose they could use a cross-compiler, but then they'd be unable to test).

There are PPC builds available, however, thanks to the long-term efforts of a project member in Japan. He's been providing Mac builds since the early 1.x.x series, and has the support of some commercial entities in Japan. The PPC builds undergo the exact same testing as the Mac Intel builds, so they are just as stable. They are usually uploaded to a server at GoodDay.net

The PPC build will be available though (I'll be including it on the new DVD ISO image, which should be available in about a week). You'll either have to go to the server mentioned above, or look in the /contrib directory.

This does not affect the users directly, but it is a major pain for integrators/porters. OO.o has a terrible habit of bundling all of the 3rd-party software packages, that it uses, into its own source tree. I'm talking about (probably missed some):

• agg
• bash
• bitstream-vera
• bsh
• bison
• boost
• curl
• db42
• dmake
• expat2
• freetype
• icu
• jpeg
• firefox (or some other Mozilla-based browser)
• libmspack
• libsndfile
• libtextcat
• libwpd
• libxslt
• neon
• nss
• nspr
• python
• sane-backends
• STLport
• unixODBC
• unzip
• vigra
• xmlsec1
• xt
• zip
• zlib

If they could, I'm certain, they would've bundled Java too, but — fortunately — Sun's license prohibits that... Now I realize, that this is done to offer "a single package" to those, who build it on their own, but nobody does. Everybody gets these from their OS' integrators. And the pain for us is enormous, because to force OO.o build to stop its silly ways is a serious undertaking. For some of the above packages there is --with-system-foo configure-flag, but not for all, and the default is to always use the bundled one, so support for the external ones bitrots quickly...

Most of the local builds don't bother and so end up wasting disk space and CPU-time rebuilding packages, which are external to OO.o. The end results are also bloated, duplicating stuff, that's already installed on the users' systems and without bug-fixes, which have already gone into each of the respective package since its most recent "bundling" into OO.o tarballs.

Download a source tarball and see for yourself... Something like: tar tjf OOo_OOG680_m9_source.tar.bz2 | grep 'z$'. No other software project does this on this scale and for good reasons — it is Just Wrong[TM]. OO.o better clean up their act in this respect...

Keep it simple. Sylpheed. Or fancy it up a little with Sylpheed-Claws.

Mulberry looked reasonably capable (it supported my requirements: PGP/MIME, IMAP over SSL), but the UI had a strange look and feel to it. It didn't really suck, but it just felt .. oddly foreign, sorta like a Java or WINE program. I don't have any intellectual reason for saying that's a bad thing, but nevertheless, it rubbed me the wrong way.

And since it wasn't open, I could never be sure that it had a future and would get bugfixes. I wasn't averse to buying proprietary games (e.g. from Loki), but relying on mysterious and potentially-orphaned code seemed a bit dangerous for Internet-related client software that I would be using on a day-to-day basis. So I ended up using Sylpheed instead, and it has worked fine for the last 3 years. And now, it looks like my thoughts about getting orphaned have finally been justified.

I just add a bit on that list from top of my head.
Although I think the listed app goes beyond what the so called 'average pc user' wants, but there goes...

1. Konqueror ( http://www.konqueror.org/ )

2. Email - Sylpheed ( http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ )

3. I think Evolution is more like in this place.

4. Lately "Sound Juicer" is taking more attention too

5. VideoLAN aka VLC ( http://www.videolan.org/ ) and Ogle ( http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ ) [and Goggles ( http://www.fifthplanet.net/goggles.html ) for Ogle GUI wrapper] for DVD watching.

6. There are plenty way to do this, but the typical ones could be 'Jinzora' ( http://www.jinzora.org/ ) and 'MusicPD' ( http://www.mpd.org/ ), even plain Apache does it fine too, in a way.

8. If you want easier to manage iptables wrapper, Shorewall ( http://www.shorewall.net/ ) and there are other wrappers too.

9. KOffice ( http://www.koffice.org/ ) and by individual components, Abiword ( http://www.abisource.com/ ), Gnumeric ( http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/ ), Gnucash ( http://www.gnucash.org/ )

10. Inkscape ( http://www.inkscape.org/ ) or Sodipodi ( http://www.sodipodi.com/ ) for vector graphics.

11. Miranda ( http://miranda-im.org/ ). Windows only.

13. Hmm , Samba? ( http://www.samba.org/ ), WedDAV (Look parent post), FTP (plenty ftp daemons, ex : http://www.proftpd.org/, http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ etc)

16. GPhoto ( http://www.gphoto.org/ ), EOG ( http://www.gnome.org/ ? ), GQView ( http://gqview.sourceforge.net/ ). The latters are for just viewing mainly.

20. FreeNX ( http://www.nomachine.com/ , http://freenx.berlios.de/ ) http://www.poptop.org/ ), L2TPd ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/l2tpd ), RP-L2TPd ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/rp-l2tp/ )

24. Postfix ( http://www.postfix.org/ ), Sendmail ( http://www.sendmail.org/ ), Exim ( http://www.exim.org/ ), Cyrus ( http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/ ), Xmail ( http://www.xmailserver.org/ ), qmail ( http://www.qmail.org/ )

25. Spamassassin ( http://spamassassin.apache.org/ )

26. Same as above.

27. XSane ( http://www.xsane.org/ ) for sane frontends.

30. Buzzmachines ( http://www.buzzmachines.com/ ) I could be wrong...

31. 'various GUI frontends' - X CD Roast ( http://www.xcdroast.org/ ), K3B ( http://k3b.sourceforge.net/ )

32. Don't know any opensource ones...

mcsaba@mcsaba$ pkg_info | grep openoff
openoffice-2.0.20050422 Integrated wordprocessor/dbase/spreadheet/drawing/chart/...

I also heard Morton uses Sylpheed.

Repeat after me: E-mail clients on Linux are NOT a problem.

* Mutt (console based and unlike PINE its Free and better)
* Evolution (for GNOME)
* KMail (for KDE).
* Sylpheed (for GTK+).
* GNUMail (for GNUstep)
* More at Freshmeat.net > Communications :: Email :: Email Clients (MUA)

Perhaps redundant links here and there, but this is a good overal start. I excluded Thunderbird and Mozilla because those are heavily known already. Also, some of the above clients might run on other Unices, other OSes -- including MacOSX and Windows.

How often do you need to run an X app across the wire? How many times do you need to support multiple displays and screens (OK, this is slashdot, so I know some of you do -- I have myself, but it's very rare).

Let's see... Every day I have two or three XTerms on different machines from which I launch some editors (emacs, xemacs) and various graphical programs (purify, xcompare). Then I also have a mail client (sylpheed) running from yet another machine through ssh X forwarding and sometimes also a web browser (FireFox) running remotely from that machine. I even run the GIMP remotely at least once per week. And I do a lot of copy and paste between these applications running on different boxes. Basically, it would be hard for me to work without the network transparency offered by X. Should I also mention that these boxes run different operating systems (Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD) and use different processor architectures?

Granted, I may not be a typical user and as you pointed out, some Slashdot visitors are likely to do unusual things. But for me, relying on X to work accross the wire is not very rare - it's what I need every day.

So the fact that KDE and GNOME rely on X is a feature, from my point of view. I wouldn't mind if a replacement for X would be added as an option, but I don't think that I would use it.

As long as oowriter and abiword can interchange files, and oocalc and gnumeric can interchange files, then freedom from (MS) vendor lock-in is a real possibility.

I own and operate a movie theatre. The various film companies (Disney, Warner, Paramount, etc.) require box office reports to be sent to them as Microsoft Excel files. I make 'em up with Gnumeric and email them in with Sylpheed, and nobody has complained yet.

I wish some graphical mail client would have a feature where all HTML email is converted to text before being presented

You mean this one?

I was looking for someone to mention Sylpheed, and would have done so myself if nobody did.

When you don't need all of the bullshit features of the big and ridiculously bloated mail clients out there, and you want something to do just e-mail, Sylpheed simply cannot be beat. It is bar-none the absolute best mail client I have ever used. Period.

Even if I *did* need the features offered by other mail applications (calendar, journal, etc.) I'd use those separately and still keep Sylpheed as my mail client. It's that good.

I noticed the surge last week, and set Sylpheed, my email client, to automatically forward any spam with those headers to reports AT habeas DOT com.

SpamAssassin dumps the spam it catches into a single folder, and Sylpheed lets you add processing rules for that folder, so they get forwarded on automatically.

I figure if they do track down the offenders, each extra instance will give them more of a punch in court.

Hey smartass, give it a try. My mailreader can't access port 80 so their trash can't load. Plus Outlook 2003 doesn't download HTML content by default and you can set it so that it will display all e-mail as plain text.
Better yet, since you don't recieve any legit HTML e-mail, have your mailserver send anything with DOCTYPE HTML to the void.
Or if that's too hard, keep bitching, I bet soon they'll change every mailreader on earth just for you.

Nah, I'll just keep using a mailreader that only shows mail in plain text and keeps that mail in plain text as well. Besides, by your own admission your suggestion was a bad approach to the problem. You said we should ask people to only send us text. That is stupid IMHO. I simply only read mail in plain text. Problem solved.

Sylpheed or Sylpheed-Claws.

Sylpheed has had threaded email views for quite a while.

Why hasn't email threading been done up until now?

It has.

Why people use bloated clients that try to combine calendars and other stuff with e-mail and don't get either right, rather than simple but full-featured clients that "do one thing and do it well", is beyond my ken.

You're probably too used to Outlook to switch, but have you tried Sylpheed yet?

Posting with links cause the /. site is hella sluggish on the images.

You may want to consider Sylpheed. It uses the GTK+ toolkit which is fairly cross-platform. It's meant to be fast and lightweight. It has a Windows port.

It may not be what you're looking for, but it can't hurt to take a look. And if it's just missing a few features, contributing to this project may be more feasible than starting your own.

Well, to be fair, Japanese support under the English version of Outlook ain't so hot either (see what happens when you receive an ISO-8859-1 message and use Japanese in your reply...).

Still, you do have a point - Evolution is basically unusable as a day-to-day mail client for multi-byte languages. Personally, I use Sylpheed, which is getting closer and closer to that magic 1.0 mark.

Oh bugger...

Sylpheed

I suggest you use Sylpheed. I could never imagine myself using mozilla mail. I hope you get unstuck soon! sylpheed

Sylpheed has been my my email client of choice for some time now.

It can completely disable message view on click, or minimize, or show.

For the moment I ditched Peanut Linux, and went on with Vector Linux, but so far I didn't get X running (not that I tried very long).

Sylpheed is something good to use in the meantime. It's nice and fast.

I can hear my girlfriend whispering "cheeky" as she reads the subject line over my shoulder, but nevermind that. Linux does have a unixODBC driver, but I've never used it. MySQL and PHP work nicely for my home database needs, and I use MS SQL at work anyway. (Bleah) I do think that MySQL talks to ODBC, but you'd have to read the manual for details.

As for replacing Outlook, have you tried Ximian Evolution? I use it on an Athlon XP 2000 with 512MB RAM and it works pretty damned well. It's not the bat out of hell that Sylpheed is, but Ximian claims that Evolution can talk to Exchange servers.

Well, I don't know about being similar to Eudora, but I like Sylpheed. It is a GTK+ client, and very nice too. The 'bleeding edge' (their words) version is here. It is perfectly stable for me (Mandrake 8.0, Ximian Gnome).

The stable branch is here.

By far the best one I have found so far is Sylpheed (yes, it is based on GTK+, but there is a Windows binary available, and it even supports GnuPG, as well as SSL connections for POP3/IMAP).

Try Sylpheed.

I've used evolution till version 1.0.2 then I discovered Sylpheed.
Its look is more essential but it does more things than evolution, does them better and is really fast (one of the reasons for which I left evolution).

Forget Outlook. If rules are what you are after, and scoring, and colouring, sylpheed-claws is the answer. These features may end up in the main sylpheed, as well.

http://sylpheed.good-day.net/

I still haven't gotten my friends to use GPG for everything, but I figured I could solve half of the problem, by having my email hosted overseas and then use an SSL connection to retrieve it (and also SMTP over SSL for outbound mail). That way, if someone's just snooping my side, then it's still hard to read mail that isn't GPGed. Right?

Nope. As far as I can tell, the client I have been playing with, doesn't show me certs or let me store the server's cert somewhere. Therefore, all my SSL connections could be going through a Man In The Middle and I would never know. SSL is practically useless.

When it comes to email, encryption really does have to be done at the application level, and PGP/GPG is The Way.

The drawback is: I would like very much like to use the same e-mail client on Linux and Windows, but sylpheed is only theoretically cross-platform. On ftp.gnupg.org, there is a w32 build of sylpheed 0.4.60 which is buggy like hell, and I have no idea how it was compiled (otherwise I would rebuild a newer version).

Netscape 4.x was ok in it's day, but the Web is a different world now, and it's just not usable anymore.

I didn't see a mention of a good email client (Mozilla doesn't count) And again, he likes kmail?? For a lightweight desktop??? I would highly recommend Sylpheed as a fast, light, easy to use, yet powerful (enough) mail client.

There are so many problems with this article, that I'll stop now, I'm sure the rest of you have already pointed them out (time for me to read the comments now :)

This kind of shit really pisses me off. This'll most definitely come off as a flame, but I cannot stand FUD like this anymore.

Show me a soccor mom that can pick up Linux+StarOffice and use it.

Bullshit. Linux-Mandrake is amazingly easy to use, it comes with StarOffice (at least 7.2 did) so there is no huge download for the 56k-ers. StarOffice is very simple and superior, IMHO, to Microsoft Office in many many ways.

Show me an average person that can learn how to open up attachments with one of your "safe" email programs.

Just about anyone. Sylpheed is very easy to use, it's simple and its stable (despite it's pre-1.0 version). It's very user friendly.

I don't particularly like the FUD you are spreading, as it harms the user friendliness of Linux more than the actual lack (or not) thereof could have. Please, quit spreading lies and actually look into the fact that many easy, user friendly programs and desktop environments exist for Linux.

You might want to give Sylpheed a whirl. It's a clean, intelligently designed Gtk+ mail client with support for POP3, APOP, and IMAP4rev1. It also has news reader support, but I never use it and it doesn't get in the way.

All in all, a fantastic client that does basically what Evolution does - but without all the extra features.

Try Sylpheed. LDAP, IMAP, spellchecking (with the appropriate patch, although it should make its way into the main tree fairly soon), JPilot, VCard... and on top of that, it's a pretty good newsreader as well!

About 6 months ago I stumbled across an awesome GTK+ mail/news reader very similar in look to Netscape Messenger (and far superior to XFMail) called Sylpheed (http://sylpheed.good-day.net/). It'll handle as many accounts as you want, supports threading and image view through gdk-pixbuf, is extremely fast (and decently configurable), and I've never had it crash on me. Some distributions are starting to pick it up now, and it's included in Mandrake 8.1, though I usually compile myself from source. I'd suggest giving it a look.

Does it still leak memory like crazy?

I used to be a Balsa fan until I discovered Sylpheed...

http://sylpheed.good-day.net/

It's the best GTK based email client I've seen anywhere. Check it out....

I liked the sophistication of Kmail. But they store the mail in mbox format. Which is really klunky (notice k) way of storing mails. It lumps everything into one file making it harder to deal from outside mail client.

Evolution (from helixcode.com) showed promises. But it segfaults on my machine (Mandrake 8) at startup.

My point is mail clients should abstract this 'storage' format and let me choose what ever I want. mbox/maildir/mhdir/mysql db ..anything you can think of. And currently this is not the case. They are all tied to a very specific format!

any one has any suggestions?

LinuxLover

It's the only GUI client for X I could find which handles APOP, and that sold it for me.