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It was the most inspiring book I've ever read and I'm very fortunate it came into my life.

http://www.hitler.org/writings...

It was written by Adolph Hitler and is banned in Germany and Croatia.

It was the most inspiring book I've ever read and I'm very fortunate it came into my life.

http://www.hitler.org/writings...

I don't suppose it means anything to you that fascism is a far-right wing terminology

Fascism is, most certainly, not a terminology. Perhaps, you meant "ideology"? Still wrong...

How this sounds like the Democrats I have no idea.

You got it all wrong. Fascism and Socialism/Communism are both Collectivist ideologies, mostly identical and differing only in a few insignificant details. Both consider the cantankerous Individual to be inferior to the Glorious Collective. To wit:

• We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
• It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good. We demand therefore:
• The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
• In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
• We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations
• We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises
• We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
• We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class
• We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest
• The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education
• We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
• The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised
• To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power

Now, almost all of the above points are part of the traditional Democratic platform. All of the above are part of the platform of the Socialist-wing of the Democratic party — its dear darlings, from Sanders to Ocasio-Cortez.

If you haven't guessed, where the actual list came from, look here.

Nazis were not leftists

In denial much? Here:

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• 7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
  
• 10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work.
• 11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
• 12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
• 13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
• 14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
• 15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
• 16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class
• 18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest.
• 20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education ... We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

The common interest before self-interest.

Ringing any bells? American "Progressives" adored Hitler in the 30-ies...

Thank you for being a clueless little NAZI sympathizer

Interesting. So, my claiming Communism is worse than Nazism makes me a Nazi? Are you a Communist?

Fascism is ultra-nationalism

No, it is not. Franco's Spain, for example, was not especially nationalistic. It did not attack other countries either.

typically married to religion

Another falsehood — Hitler was not religious and his Programme is indifferent about it: you could practice whatever as long as it did not threaten the State...

For the same reason as did Stalin and other Statists, historical and contemporary alike — because they view God to be in direct competition with the State in the subjects' minds. Mussolini was not religious either — reportedly, his parents didn't even Baptize him. Though he did have to seek the Church's approval, that was because it was already (and remains today) a very powerful institution in Italy. He too would've rather the citizenry adored him than any supernatural being. (Which is exactly the motivation of contemporary Statists too, BTW.)

The popular "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," is the level playing field

It is complete and utter bullshit. The term "level playing field" means equal rights — not the equal results, that the Communists/Socialists demand.

not to conflate the philosophy of communism with the actions of Stalin

And Mao. And Pol Pot. And Kims. And Castro... Wherever attempted in earnest Communism failed spectacularly — with millions of dead and the survivors left with neither economic wealth nor human rights.

History gave us several "clean" experiments, where pairs of nearly identical peoples with very similar climate, lands, and history lived under different regimes for decades. Compare:

• Western German vs. Eastern Germany
• South Korea vs. North Korea
• Finland vs. Estonia

In all cases Communism loses — and devastates the countries affected. Like I said — the most murderous school of thought known to humanity — though still popular among ill-mannered and miseducated punks.

Fascists hated socialists and still do.

Citations? Does the name "National Socialists" mean anything? Have you read their Programme? Here, let me quote the best parts for you:

• We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
• It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
• The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
• In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
• We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations
• We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
• We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest
• The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement)
• The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised

Do you see anything above, that "ANTIFA" members (or Bernie Sanders fans, pardon the tautology) would not endorse enthusiastically?

The fascists were hardcore crony capitalists!

This is true, but does not contradict, what I said earlier in the slightest. Government controlling the corporations, telling them what to (not) do with the carrot of tax reductions and the stick of regulation and taxation, is exactly that. Already American corporations spend billions of dollars lobbying government figures — that is crony capitalism and is a direct result of government's control of the means of production. Instead of paying higher wages, or investing in more R&D, or marketing their products to customers, businesses spend on government officials, who — without any "skin in the game" hold the make-or-break power over most enterprises. Whether there is nominal ownership of the factories by the government, or simply near-total control, does not really matter...

That guy is just flat out lying to you.

He is rather more convincing, than you are, sorry. He also cites a number of Western Socialists, who loved Hitler in particular and Nazis in general — because their ideas were the same.

The original program was very anti-capitalist. Hitler made a distinction between jewish and non-jewish capitalists in 1928, in order to get the support of German capitalists.

The original program was before Hitler.

The original program was written by Adolf Hitler and Anton Drexler, and presented to the public February 24th, 1920. Source: http://hitler.org/writings/pro... (But you may not want to open that link if you're in Germany...)

We can talk all night about the Strasser brothers, Goebbels' early hang for socialism, Hitler's pragmatism, how NSDAP slowly left their socialist views behind, and whatever else you want to talk about. How about the Thule Society and its influence on early, German nazism?

Look what Hitler did to his own during Night of the Long Knives

The funny thing is that you yourself haven't read what you have linked. It says there clearly that Hitler didn't care about the "socialism" part, hence the purge.

It looks as if you didn't get the point, so I repeat it: Dictators always eliminate rivals, regardless of political views. Nazis killed nazis (and others), just like communists killed communists (and others). Your argument, "The nazis weren't socialists since they imprisoned socialists", is void.

All rulers to this, regardless of political color.

Care to explain why I didn't have a daily recitation of some stupid oath in my childhood - in an actual socialist country, no less?

How do you know you didn't? ;) The Ruling Classes are much more subtle these days.

Nah, mate. Google Translate of the German law you linked to, says that Section 15: Arms purchase or warrants may only be issued to persons whose reliability is not a concern, and only if proof of a need exists. So if there's a need and if you're trustworthy, then you can get a gun.

Well, as a German I can tell you that Google translate is not that correct and you have deliberately misunderstood it anyway. The law clearly says (Â11 (1)) that handguns - and only handguns - need a purchase permit (Waffenerwerbsschein), and this is exactly what I have written. Long guns could be acquired without a permit - except for jews, gypsies, socialists and communists - this is what is meant by "unreliable persons". Exactly what I have written.
Carrying, on the other hand, needs another permit (Waffenschein - Â14), which is also exactly what I have written.

First of all, stop being an ass accusing me for "deliberately misunderstanding" German gun laws from 1938. I don't read German. You posted a link to a long document written in German, without any references at all, on an English web site. WTF do you expect from your readers?

BTW, I grew up in a socialist country too, still anyone older than 16 could buy a shotgun, no questions asked, until 1985. In the UK, anyone could buy machine guns until 1934, IIRC. And in some parts of the US, shotguns are sold next to milk and bread.

Weapon laws don't prove that a country is ruled by nazis.

Just because you disagree with something, it is not fascist.

Very, very true...

I suggest to google, what Fascist means.

Good idea!

In a fascist health care system only the super rich had healthcare

Please, cite the source(s) you found, that support this statement.

You can't. Because you are wrong — fantastically, spectacularly wrong. "Fascism" means just this:

a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government

See? Not a mention of "health care". But if we search the more elaborate Wikipedia article, we'll find, that it was the Fascists, who were worrying about "health of the nation". Hitler — the most famous among Fascists — even put that on his Programme

21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised [...]

And, upon coming to power, followed up on that by expanding Bismark's "Reich Insurance Act" to cover all Germans at the government's expense (single-payer much?). It sucked — because folks (volks) started going to a doctor for the slightest of reasons, greatly increasing their workloads and lines. (And, of course, there were "Death Panels".)

Whether "Universal" — a dog-whistle for government-provided — health care is a good thing or not, it is not Fascist to be against it. Quite the opposite, indeed.

I am saying that it's rational, when denied of living, to try to kill and steal to get it.

Oh, this is awesome! So, refusing to buy something — such as labor — from you justifies theft and even murder, in your opinion? This is the only interpretation of the quoted sentence, that makes sense in the context of the employment-discrimination...

I know that libertarians think that somalia is an utopia

No, we don't. This is a stupid meme invented by Illiberal morons, who project their own flaws on others and fail to recognize assholes of their own kind. Somalia was a Collectivist "paradise" — and that is, what lead to its current state. The path, I might add, Venezuela — a darling of Socialists world-wide — is now walking down on as well.

prefer to actually have a society where everyone can survive, even without working

If you wish to support those, who can not support themselves, you are welcome to share your own earnings with them. But there is no moral/ethical justification to compel the rest of us — at the government's gun-point, which is how taxes are collected — to help anyone.

Whether they are destitute through no fault of their own or otherwise, the rest of us do not owe them anything. You can appeal to us to help those, you deem worthy of helping, but you must not be able to force us.

rather than face a much higher level of crime.

Ah! So it is not the benevolence, that drives you to help others out, but simply fear of criminals? Nice, for a second there I thought, I'm talking to Mother Theresa (reincarnated). Well, here are some numbers for you... The total cost of crime in the US is about $200 bln/year. The annual cost of the "War on Poverty" is four times that. So, if we eliminate those expenditures entirely — and the crime-levels as much triple, we'd still be saving a few hundred billion dollars a year.

That said, this has nothing to do with discrimination — real or imagined — so let's not get sidetracked.

Is it really wrong to call you a nazi at this point?

National Socialist? You really are in denial about your own self. Those Collectivists also — like you — worshiped the State and expected it to provide them with everything: Education, Healthcare, Pensions... Unlike Socialists — of all stripes — Libertarians advocate for the Individual, however cantankerous, above the Collective, however Glorious.

So far, we've established, that you are a Socialist and that you approve of killing, when people don't want to hire you or otherwise supply you with "living". If you want to see a Nazi, look into a mirror...

If you don't see some of the parallels in the wording of antisemitic propaganda of the 30's and anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim propaganda of the last year, you are not paying attention or refusing to listen.

Or maybe I just know how to read. Hitler's actual campaign speeches of the 30s barely mention Jews at all - and when he does, it's (1) in passing and (2) always in the same breath as "Soviets" to link them to a tangible, plausible threat looming on the border. There's parallels here - "Make Germany Great Again," etc. - and they're common to any populist candidate billing himself as a Change candidate. It's almost like you're full of shit.

And it's not all "Nazi" in origin - many Trump supporters, including several IN CONGRESS, have LITERALLY DEFENDED the idea of bringing back US Internment camps.

Got some evidence to back up those wanton slanders?

http://hitler.org/writings/pro...

Nazi Germany and militarist Japan were capitalists.

In Nazi Germany it was the government, that created a number of firms (including Volkswagen). This disqualifies it from being Capitalist on technicality. (And it also, unfortunately, disqualifies modern-day America, but that's another story). No head of a major firm in Germany could possibly survive Hitler's displeasure (fortunately, Koch brothers are a living proof, that the US has not fallen that low, even if the case of the producer of an anti-Islam YouTube video is discouraging.)

But, more importantly, we were talking here not merely about economic systems, but entire schools of thought and political systems. You are attempting to switch the semantics down to pure economics — today's China, in such understanding, would be Capitalist. Hitler's party was called "National Socialists" for a reason. Here is the man's Programme — it is all about government providing (what it deems best) and the citizen serving dutifully. Collective trumps the Individual all over it — much like in the USSR. It is such Collectivism, that easily leads into mass-murder at home and abroad. It also cripples the development of free markets (where they are attempted at all), condemning the survivors to lower standards of living.

Read back to the beginning of this thread — were I denounced Che Guevara and (other Communists), and was told, "Capitalists are just as bad". You take this (or pretend to) as a comparison of economic systems: Free Markets vs. Central Planning. That's wrong — the "battle" is between Collectivism (such as represented by Guevara) and Individualism.

And, yes, the Soviet Union killed more Soviet citizens than Nazi Germany. That's because it operated for longer.

No. Even in the short period between 1933 and 1941, USSR murdered far more of its citizens, than Hitler murdered of his. Holodomor alone took several millions of lives.

And do not forget the sordid detail of Stalin encouraging Hitler (such as by making a Pact with him) and is thus responsible for some of the Hitler's murders.

Both Nazi Germany and militarist Japan were so incredibly murderous and aggressive that we had to take them down hard and fast.

That they were. My point is, USSR was even worse. And then there is Pol-Pot's Cambodia...

they are both much too right wing for my tastes.

Read-up and count the number of items, with which you agree... Kill yourself, when you reach 50%.

John Kerry was in the military.

John Kerry's problem was, he had nothing else to brag about. 20-something years in the US Senate and all he talks about during his Presidential campaign, is the 4+ months he spent in Vietnam? Thousands of others did too, idiot, talk about, what makes you a better fit for Presidency, than a guy who fought for 8 months?

Obama went a different direction with his life

To each his own, of course. I was just pointing out, that John McCain — and both Republican Presidents before him — could fly a plane, as in the movie. Obama would not be able to. That's all.

it doesn't make him less of an able leader or man in general.

Not joining the military does not, I agree.

You have to distinguish social policy from economic policy(hence my choice of words above).

And yet, you consider Hitler a Libertarian (even if only on economic policies). Despite his obviously Statist inclinations from that very program I quoted, and the actual implementations of government-sponsored banks, a car manufacturer (yes, the VolksWagen — or "people's wagon"), etc.

Something is very wrong with your opinion...

We don't need some other web-site to help us figure out, who of the two Presidents is more of a Fascist.

I presented over a dozen points, that Obama himself and/or the people most strongly supporting him share with NSDAP. I challenge you to find six, that can be attributed to Bush and his main supporters.

So you are just a troll.

???? I don't think, the word "troll" means, what you think, it means...

The point was, Bush is more of a fascist than Obama.

This does not at all follow from anything you've said — not that I can pretend to understand your passionate word-juggling (Hitler a Libertarian? Wow!) I stand by my allegation, that the Left are (not so crypto-) Fascist — and my evidence to that is in the similarity of their stated goals to those of NSDAP...

Ideologically Bush is much closer than Obama with respect to Fascism.

None of the links you provided mention "Fascism". But by interpreting them to mean, what you wrote, you reveal, that you are one of those, who consider Fascism as somehow opposite of Socialism. This is an illusion, carefully created by Leftists (beginning with Stalin himself) trying to distance themselves from the horrors of Nazism. It worked for decades — infamously for the prominent Leftists such as Gore Vidal calling his Republican opponent a Nazi.

These meme must've originated from USSR's war with Nazi Germany — which made simpler minds accept, that, since the two are fighting, they must be opposite (never mind the two regimes' earlier collusion in carving up Europe and singing praises for each other)... It is simply not true at all — Fascism is a kind of Socialism, and Hitler's Party very name — National Socialists — reminds us of it.

For actual proof, consider Hitler's programme for NSDAP:

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST - THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

• We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. [...]
• All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
• It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.

We demand therefore:

• The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
• The breaking of the slavery of interest
• In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
• We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
• We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
• We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
• We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
• We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
• We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
• The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
• The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants
• We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.
• To put the whole o

You are still permitted to keep 2%. Under socialism you are permitted to keep 0%.

No, actually, not 0%. For example, some state enterprises in the USSR had "profit sharing" of sorts with the workers — including management...

Now here you confuse "socialism" with "protectionism". Forcing you to limit vendors or materials is a form of protection not socialism.

The regulations I was talking about could only partially be described as "protectionism". There are also things like "minimum wage", "workplace safety", "health care" etc. All of them sounded most reasonable, when first put in place, but can be (and are) used to tighten up the restrictions on how a (supposedly) free enterprise is run. The more such regulations are imposed, the less discretion owners have over how their firms are run — the closer a regime is to Socialism.

left wing + Authoritarian = Communism, right wing + Authoritarian = Fascism

The above "formula" is wrong in that it seems to consider Communism and Fascism as opposites. They aren't... Both are Statist with observable distinctions easier explainable by differences in national characters and other circumstances, than If you read Hitler's programme, you'd be surprised to see, how close it is to the Democratic Party's core, or their far-left (a.k.a. "progressive") illiberal friends. Here are the particularly striking points:

• We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
• It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
• The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
• In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
• We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
• We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
• We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
• We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class
• The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
• The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor
• We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army

There is more, but this is enough... Now, to avoid the Godwin's Law trap, I must point out, that I don't accuse the contemporary American Left of preparing labor camps or gas-chambers. Their regime would be more like that of Mussolini, or Franco, or Brezhnev — not especially evil, just horribly inefficient.

Taking an overly holistic view of weather a government is socialist or capitalist is bad as it neglects the details.

You went off-tangent here. My point was simply, that regardless of whether a regime can be declared "socialist", it is valid to compare regimes and conclude, that one is more (or less) socialist, than another.

Perhaps he meant 1939 Germany.

Perhaps. Or, maybe, of the 1920, when the country's new Hope was demanding Change?

Seriously, you and I know, what he meant, so let's not engage in hair-splitting. Nazism's racism was just as much of a pillar as their Socialism. They began persecuting Jews in earnest in 1933, and continued on to full-blown genocide.

Nothing of the kind is happening in the USA today. No minority is banned from government employment. When some dimwit offends an Arab or a Muslim, for example, the victim gets compensated. And no group even claims to be a target of genocide.

That's not socialism that's evidence of fascism

If you read about fascism from the horse's mouth, you'll see, that there is no difference. Here, I picked the most familiar-sounding items put forth 88 years ago:

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST - THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

....

• 7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.

  ....

• 10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.

  We demand therefore:
  ...

• 11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

  The breaking of the slavery of interest

• 12. ... personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
• 13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
• 15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
  ...
• 16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class
  ...
• 18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
  ...
• 20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
• 21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
• 22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

Had it not been for Hitler's bizarre obsession with genocide — which, as Franco and Mussolini demonstrated, is not an inalienable part of Fascism — the Left would've considered Hitler as a perfectly respectable source of quotes and inspiration, along with Lenin, Mao, and Karl Marx.

Yes. But, all terrorists are gun owners.

Hey! No gun was used on 9/11...

Seriously though, who could Obama pick to fill these offices?

You are asking me? I was from, you know, the other side. The camp, which tried to call attention to Obama's total lack of executive experience, of Biden's lunacy, and other flaws of the Democratic ticket's personalities and ideology (see my current sig).

But we were all drowned out by Obama's highly negative campaign — 86.9% of Obama's voters thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that. So, now, that you realize, that Obama's promises of "Change" were just as phony as Clinton's were in 1992 — much to their side's chagrin, just as then too, don't blame us... Hold that thought 'till 2012.

That a "napkin drawing" [...] never amount to anything.

No, of course not: http://www.hitler.org/artifacts/volkswagen/

No, I am not new here, but it seems that sensible discussions quickly deteriorate into a nationalistic slanging match whenever France is mentioned, or whenever the US is shown in a bad light.

But the stereotype is based rubbish. WW2 dead - France 810,000, US - 500,000. WW1 dead - France Empire 5,651,000, US - 321,000. And when you compare that with the total size of available population the US contribution doesn't seem quite so impressive, does it? In fact, during WW2, the US came behind the USSR, Poland and Greece, as well as quite a few countries fighting for the other side. Sources: http://www.hitler.org/ww2-deaths.html and http://europeanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/bl ww1castable.htm.

I just have difficulty with a nation that (thinks it) is so advanced yet cannot see past the end of its nose...

No can do. Volkswagon refused. Something about not wanting to be associated with a war movie. Go figure.

First and formost, clearly not all evelotionists are racists. My point is that most of the major teachers and founders of the teaching are. In the same way, I'm not saying all christians aren't racists, even though most of the major teachers and the founders aren't.

Don't think for a minute that just because some group claims to be christian that they are. It'd be like some group claim to be citizens of a nation even though they aren't. Hitler is not a poorly educated man, but he's very wrong in his conclusions. Read his book some time. I'll make it easier for you:
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11 .html

That's chapter 11 where he really digs into racist divisions. Don't get me wrong, Hitler probably wouldn't be thought of as an Evolutionist by most, but I use him as an example of a non christian whom many think is one. He may have been raised with good religious traditions, but he never truely understood who God is, and feel pray to conflicting teaching

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Now for "PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM" as evolutionists like to call it.

According to this theory, animals stay the same for long periods of time but when they change, they change rapidly. Thus, they leave no fossil records of their transformation because it happens fast in relatively small or isolated locations.

You're right: "Anyone with an elementary understanding of evolution would never make such an absurd statement." It takes someone with a deeper understanding of Evolutionary Theology to say such an absurd statement.

Here's a book full of examples of the problems with Evolution:
http://www.creationism.org/books/sunderland/Darwin sEnigma/index.htm

Since Darwin's book was printed, Evolution has become a moving target. Every year the Theory changes and there are some teachings of it that were proven false decades ago (like human babies having gill slits in the womb) but you still find them in High School and College text books. I haven't found a direct quote saying "Monkey's gave birth to humans" litterally, but it's strongly implied that that kind of change is required as a natural step in evolution from one Species to another.

But Evolution having some problems wouldn't automatically make it a bad thing for christians to celebrate Darwin's birthday. The fundimental idea of EVOLVING from one KIND of animal to ANOTHER KIND is HERESY (a belief profoundly at odds with orthodox teaching).

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Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
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Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
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Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
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Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
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The list goes on a little more. The point is that if you believe Jesus (not just that he lived, but that he lives now and doesn't lie), then to teach evolution, as Darwin and most of the teachers after him taught it, is wicked. Darwin studied to be a preacher and couldn't find a congregation that would have him as their preacher. He knew he was contradicting scripture. That means Darwin was calling God a liar on purpose.

To paraphrase it: God said "I created every KIND of plant and every KIND of animal." Then Darwin said "No you didn't. You see, some early animals mutated and became the KINDS of animals we have to

"It scares me that there are people who think the systematic and sanctioned extermination of a race of people (the jews in this case, but the specifics don't really matter, the crime is the same) is not evil in every sense and nuance of the word. Germany at the time *was* an evil place to be, no inverted commas are required. More equitable. Right." - And they turned the jews into soap too. right? What nonsense! The "extermination" tale as popularly told is one of the big sensationalist lies of the century and it is frightening that there are so many idiots in this world who would uphold it as unquestionable. Why is it illegal for historical scholars in many countries to question it? Why is it illegal for them to exercise their skepticism, a required duty for a scholar and the essence of a scholarship, and debate the evidence for and against in search for a truth? Can a true tale not uphold itself? There are many Jewish historians who denounce the big lie, you can find them if you cared for historical truth.

"... or Lady Aston and Mr Churchill: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your drink" "Madam, if you were my wife I would drink it." - why are you citing this? he was a rhetorical clown. When Churchill was enjoying his drunken jokes with the ladies of high society there were millions of hungry people on the streets of England. Here's something more worthwhile of admiration if you thought the role of a politician was any more than to entertain http://hitler.org/speeches/12-10-40.html

"As for your last points, I have never (ever) even *heard* of anyone taking the word 'common' as an insult apart from on soap operas in the middle of a screaming row, and I grew up in a Northern city. We weren't wealthy by any stretch of the imagination - my father worked on the docks, my mother in various office-jobs. I was hardly a poster-boy for a class-warrior, but I studied hard, got into a good (free) school, went to (free) university, and did a (free) doctoral degree. As someone who ought to be railing against the man (according to your model) I think you're just plain wrong. Any medical/dental care I ever needed was free, and I never considered myself 'beneath' anyone. There is no class-distinction in any of the above, and I've never felt myself to be a member of this lower-class of which you speak." - exactly! and that is something you should be thankful for, and not take for granted, because this is what the achievement of all those who fought for a more equitable society in England has given you, a free education and free healthcare. I have lived in Northen cities, I have talked to many old people who remember those times before the NHS and the welfare state.

"Of course there were always those wealthier than I in the UK, but hell, it's only money. There are people wealthier than I in the USA, too! Having *lived* and *worked* in a Northern city, where the vote has always been for socialist labour in my lifetime, I don't think my 'who cares' attitude is atypical. This is not the "incredible poverty" you portray - in fact having now lived in California for a while, I'd say the British system is better - we don't have a significant underclass (like the mexican itinerant workers) as California has. Unemployment in Britain is currently 4.7%, Unemployment in the USA is currently 5.5% (both seasonally-unadjusted figures)." I find it astounding that someone with a doctoral degree would make the mistake of reponding to a "portrayal" of England during the first half of the 20th century by giving statistics from the "current" 21st century! You have the threat of European socialism to thank for how good you're having it right now.

And this recognition of the facts discloses at once a whole series of the most important fundamental principles which must guide this young Movement which, we hope, is destined one day for greatness:

1. 'NATIONAL' AND 'SOCIAL' ARE TWO IDENTICAL CONCEPTIONS. It was only the Jew who succeeded, through falsifying the social idea and turning it into Marxism, not only in divorcing the social idea from the national, but in actually representing them as utterly contradictory. That aim he has in fact achieved. At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it ''National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it.

2. And then we said to ourselves: THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS CLASSES: THEY CANNOT BE. Class means caste and caste means race. If there are castes in India, well and good; there it is possible, for there there were formerly Aryans and dark aborigines. So it was in Egypt and in Rome. But with us in Germany where everyone who is a German at all has the same blood, has the same eyes, and speaks the same language, here there can be no class, here there can be only a single people and beyond that nothing else. Certainly we recognize, just as anyone must recognize, that there are different 'occupations' and 'professions' [Stände]-there is the Stand of the watchmakers, the Stand of the common laborers, the Stand of the painters or technicians, the Stand of the engineers, officials, etc. Stände there can be. But in the struggles which these Stände have amongst themselves for the equalization of their economic conditions, the conflict and the division must never be so great as to sunder the ties of race.

So of course this still could be a ruse. You know, propaganda. So lets see this ..
Please produce a few of these. I agree that would be a tenet of Socialism. (But that's redistribution of wealth to dissolve class distinctions, not progressi

Volkswagen, literally "people's car," has been producing vehicles in Germany since its original founder, Adolf Hitler, brainstormed their first concept. Their niche was once to build a car that the everyday Aryan could afford, and to bring strength by empowering their people to commute cheaply and effectively where they needed to go. Today, Volkswagen is much more, representing an entry-level German nameplate for automobile owners to get the trademarks set by every German automobile: great styling, great handling, and prohibitively expensive repairs.

Their product repertoire includes several historical namesakes from previous generations, as well as modern day contenders in the 21st century automobile market. The New Beetle and the Jetta are Volkswagen's entry level vehicles for German beginners. Moving up the chain brings you the Passat and the Golf, for European luxury in midsize prices. At the top of the chain brings the near-luxury Touareg (German for "SUV") and Phaeton (German for "German Luxury"). What Volkswagen wants you to forget, however, is their rich lineage which spawned today's vehicles.

Founded in 1932 by the famed Nazi leader, his first project was to design a vehicle which would aid in building the strength of the fascist state. The car would be built to mimic the symbolic ideals of the cult-like ruling Nazi party. The Beetle, it was to be called, would be Volkswagen's first foray into enabling the Nazi leaders to commute to battle meetings to coordinate the death of the Allies. Throughout the War of Europe and subsequently World War II, Volkswagen earned the Nazi regime heavy profits due to its rapid expansion and slave labor. This, in turn, allowed Volkswagen to expand plants to newly-acquired German territory in Russia, as well as Czechoslovakia.

After the crumbling of the Nazi party, and effectively the entire German social structure in 1945, Volkswagen was left without its founder and entire management structure. Influenced by the opportunity of quick expansion, wealthy British entrepreneur Richard Branson, Sr. invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the plants to retool them for postwar production throughout Europe. Volkswagen was then reborn to make models that would carry its rich heritage to nations left unaffected by its founder.

Throughout the 1950's, 60's and 70's, the world went through major changes as a global economy started trickling into every nation.

Volkswagen, literally "people's car," has been producing vehicles in Germany since its original founder, Adolf Hitler, brainstormed their first concept. Their niche was once to build a car that the everyday Aryan could afford, and to bring strength by empowering their people to commute cheaply and effectively where they needed to go. Today, Volkswagen is much more, representing an entry-level German nameplate for automobile owners to get the trademarks set by every German automobile: great styling, great handling, and prohibitively expensive repairs.

Their product repertoire includes several historical namesakes from previous generations, as well as modern day contenders in the 21st century automobile market. The New Beetle and the Jetta are Volkswagen's entry level vehicles for German beginners. Moving up the chain brings you the Passat and the Golf, for European luxury in midsize prices. At the top of the chain brings the near-luxury Touareg (German for "SUV") and Phaeton (German for "German Luxury"). What Volkswagen wants you to forget, however, is their rich lineage which spawned today's vehicles.

Founded in 1932 by the famed Nazi leader, his first project was to design a vehicle which would aid in building the strength of the fascist state. The car would be built to mimic the symbolic ideals of the cult-like ruling Nazi party. The Beetle, it was to be called, would be Volkswagen's first foray into enabling the Nazi leaders to commute to battle meetings to coordinate the death of the Allies. Throughout the War of Europe and subsequently World War II, Volkswagen earned the Nazi regime heavy profits due to its rapid expansion and slave labor. This, in turn, allowed Volkswagen to expand plants to newly-acquired German territory in Russia, as well as Czechoslovakia.

After the crumbling of the Nazi party, and effectively the entire German social structure in 1945, Volkswagen was left without its founder and entire management structure. Influenced by the opportunity of quick expansion, wealthy British entrepreneur Richard Branson, Sr. invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the plants to retool them for postwar production throughout Europe. Volkswagen was then reborn to make models that would carry its rich heritage to nations left unaffected by its founder.

Throughout the 1950's, 60's and 70's, the world went through major changes as a global economy started trickling into every nation.

Volkswagen, literally "people's car," has been producing vehicles in Germany since its original founder, Adolf Hitler, brainstormed their first concept. Their niche was once to build a car that the everyday Aryan could afford, and to bring strength by empowering their people to commute cheaply and effectively where they needed to go. Today, Volkswagen is much more, representing an entry-level German nameplate for automobile owners to get the trademarks set by every German automobile: great styling, great handling, and prohibitively expensive repairs.

Their product repertoire includes several historical namesakes from previous generations, as well as modern day contenders in the 21st century automobile market. The New Beetle and the Jetta are Volkswagen's entry level vehicles for German beginners. Moving up the chain brings you the Passat and the Golf, for European luxury in midsize prices. At the top of the chain brings the near-luxury Touareg (German for "SUV") and Phaeton (German for "German Luxury"). What Volkswagen wants you to forget, however, is their rich lineage which spawned today's vehicles.

Founded in 1932 by the famed Nazi leader, his first project was to design a vehicle which would aid in building the strength of the fascist state. The car would be built to mimic the symbolic ideals of the cult-like ruling Nazi party. The Beetle, it was to be called, would be Volkswagen's first foray into enabling the Nazi leaders to commute to battle meetings to coordinate the death of the Allies. Throughout the War of Europe and subsequently World War II, Volkswagen earned the Nazi regime heavy profits due to its rapid expansion and slave labor. This, in turn, allowed Volkswagen to expand plants to newly-acquired German territory in Russia, as well as Czechoslovakia.

After the crumbling of the Nazi party, and effectively the entire German social structure in 1945, Volkswagen was left without its founder and entire management structure. Influenced by the opportunity of quick expansion, wealthy British entrepreneur Richard Branson, Sr. invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the plants to retool them for postwar production throughout Europe. Volkswagen was then reborn to make models that would carry its rich heritage to nations left unaffected by its founder.

Throughout the 1950's, 60's and 70's, the world went through major changes as a global economy started trickling into every nation.

Volkswagen, literally "people's car," has been producing vehicles in Germany since its original founder, Adolf Hitler, brainstormed their first concept. Their niche was once to build a car that the everyday Aryan could afford, and to bring strength by empowering their people to commute cheaply and effectively where they needed to go. Today, Volkswagen is much more, representing an entry-level German nameplate for automobile owners to get the trademarks set by every German automobile: great styling, great handling, and prohibitively expensive repairs.

Their product repertoire includes several historical namesakes from previous generations, as well as modern day contenders in the 21st century automobile market. The New Beetle and the Jetta are Volkswagen's entry level vehicles for German beginners. Moving up the chain brings you the Passat and the Golf, for European luxury in midsize prices. At the top of the chain brings the near-luxury Touareg (German for "SUV") and Phaeton (German for "German Luxury"). What Volkswagen wants you to forget, however, is their rich lineage which spawned today's vehicles.

Founded in 1932 by the famed Nazi leader, his first project was to design a vehicle which would aid in building the strength of the fascist state. The car would be built to mimic the symbolic ideals of the cult-like ruling Nazi party. The Beetle, it was to be called, would be Volkswagen's first foray into enabling the Nazi leaders to commute to battle meetings to coordinate the death of the Allies. Throughout the War of Europe and subsequently World War II, Volkswagen earned the Nazi regime heavy profits due to its rapid expansion and slave labor. This, in turn, allowed Volkswagen to expand plants to newly-acquired German territory in Russia, as well as Czechoslovakia.

After the crumbling of the Nazi party, and effectively the entire German social structure in 1945, Volkswagen was left without its founder and entire management structure. Influenced by the opportunity of quick expansion, wealthy British entrepreneur Richard Branson, Sr. invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the plants to retool them for postwar production throughout Europe. Volkswagen was then reborn to make models that would carry its rich heritage to nations left unaffected by its founder.

Throughout the 1950's, 60's and 70's, the world went through major changes as a global economy started trickling into every nation.

"Gringo" has a pejorative element to it. You know this as well as I do.

I'd say you're the one who's using "weasel words" here as a way to veil your hatred.

And if you don't feel like you can participate in civil discourse without bigoted terms, then you're the one who should leave

I'm sure Latino-nationalist hate sites like Voz De Aztlan or MEChA would love to hear from you.

Update: "Fist Sport" explained. (05/17/01)

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It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

Linus Torvalds is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.

Richard M. Stallman , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD.

Alan Cox is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."

As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following:

RMS: "I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance," he says. "It's about being able to question conventional wisdom," he asserts. "I believe in love, but not monogamy," he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

"I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your p

A digital thing lasts forever.

"...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (James Murphy translation, page 134)

If they keep doing it again and again, then permanant removal *IS* the answer

Then you would have voted for this man and the NSDAP, the Nationalsocialist German Workers Party.

Here's article 18 of the party program of the NSDAP in the 1920 elections:

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

"If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower." -- Adolf Hitler, Fuehrer and Chancellor of Great Germany while being held prisoner at Landsberg on November 5th 1925

I think it's important that everyone read it, as well as the writings of Mao Zedong. Understanding the last century will be difficult without it.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/

There sure are a lot of Jews on that list. I wonder what He would think.

Interesting to note too that VW started out as the car maker for the "volk", ie the unwashed masses. Seems like they've lost their roots.

More interesting is Hitler's involvement with founding it. In case you doubt the source, here's another site. Possibly one of the very few good things to come from that bastard.

Apologies for obliquely invoking Godwin's Law.

WTF? At least get the swastika right! Example for braindead trolls. On Hitler's birthday too, you should be ashamed.

Yes, actually they did. The German military was not ready for war in 1939. Hitler promised his Generals that he wouldn't go to war until full rearmament had been completed (it would have been in 1946) but he couldn't wait. The Germans had to use something like 85% of their front-line forces to conquer Poland. The "myth" of the Blitzkrieg has the Germans overrunning Poland in a few days -- guess what? When they got to Warsaw it deteriorated into an old fashion artillery siege that took weeks to settle.

Furthermore if you bothered to read military history you'd know that in 1939 the French had a stronger military then the Germans anyway. That's the French all by themselves -- not counting the other allied powers.

So yes, if the French had showed a little balls and taken some initiative when the Germans attacked Poland WW2 would probably have been over in a year tops. History would certainly be very different. No holocost, no seven year World War with 56,000,000 deaths, no conquest of Eastern Europe by Stalin and probably no war in the Pacific either.

But instead of actually doing something to help their allies (the Poles) the French declared war and then sat around and waited to be attacked. The French acted like complete cowards and humanity paid the price for it.

Learn some yourself. It was the Russians sending 1 million men to Manchuria that had the largest influence on the Japanese surrender. The Russians contribution to WW2 is conveniently forgotten about Go look at theWW2 death count and put your US/UK bickering into perspective

The MONKEY is ON TEH SPOKE .

/that is all. [slashdot.org]

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No. That makes him a Jew.

HEIL HITLER!

Heil Hitler

Warning in advance: this comment is sorely off-topic with regard to the story. It's meaningful in context of the above comment /^\.

If you read the majority of the +5, Funny comments, the Newspeak aspects of Slashdot society become apparent. Instead of posing concrete, meaningful arguments, people write:
1) (corporate action taken to be unfavorable)
2) (another bad thing)
3) ???
4) PROFIT!
Or, in a Linux/SCO article, they make a bad SCO pun (SCOurge! Stupid Corporate Organization! et cetera).

Or see the above "In Soviet Russia / Kazaa sues the record companies" comment.

Or (I confess) in a Microsoft-sues-John-Ashcroft article, they make a "dude, who do we trust now?" comment. Metacommentary can get trite too.

You're absolutely right that nothing's black and white. Indeed, that was my point--and, if you look at many of the above comments on this story, they've missed that point. ("Its about fucking time. / I'm glad there's some legal action going the other way for once.")

The point is that Kazaa (which has done some pretty messy things in the past, like the aforementioned C&D letter to Google) is using bad legislation (DMCA) for a good purpose (screw with the RIAA). It's kind of like when the US government used the PATRIOT Act against PayPal -- one infringes civil liberties, the other launders money; what do you do?

If you're Kazaa Lite and you want any legitimacy within the US (I'm not sure they do), you pray that the RIAA wins this case. Yikes.

Also offtopic: I call Godwin's Law, but Hitler wasn't much of an artist. Check this out, and the main link.

Warning in advance: this comment is sorely off-topic with regard to the story. It's meaningful in context of the above comment /^\.

If you read the majority of the +5, Funny comments, the Newspeak aspects of Slashdot society become apparent. Instead of posing concrete, meaningful arguments, people write:
1) (corporate action taken to be unfavorable)
2) (another bad thing)
3) ???
4) PROFIT!
Or, in a Linux/SCO article, they make a bad SCO pun (SCOurge! Stupid Corporate Organization! et cetera).

Or see the above "In Soviet Russia / Kazaa sues the record companies" comment.

Or (I confess) in a Microsoft-sues-John-Ashcroft article, they make a "dude, who do we trust now?" comment. Metacommentary can get trite too.

You're absolutely right that nothing's black and white. Indeed, that was my point--and, if you look at many of the above comments on this story, they've missed that point. ("Its about fucking time. / I'm glad there's some legal action going the other way for once.")

The point is that Kazaa (which has done some pretty messy things in the past, like the aforementioned C&D letter to Google) is using bad legislation (DMCA) for a good purpose (screw with the RIAA). It's kind of like when the US government used the PATRIOT Act against PayPal -- one infringes civil liberties, the other launders money; what do you do?

If you're Kazaa Lite and you want any legitimacy within the US (I'm not sure they do), you pray that the RIAA wins this case. Yikes.

Also offtopic: I call Godwin's Law, but Hitler wasn't much of an artist. Check this out, and the main link.

Update: "Fist Sport" explained. (05/17/01)

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It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

Linus Torvalds is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.

Richard M. Stallman , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD.

Alan Cox is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."

As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following:

RMS: "I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance," he says. "It's about being able to question conventional wisdom," he asserts. "I believe in love, but not monogamy," he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

"I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis in

Update: "Fist Sport" explained. (05/17/01)

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It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

Linus Torvalds is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.

Richard M. Stallman , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD.

Alan Cox is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."

As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following:

RMS: "I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance," he says. "It's about being able to question conventional wisdom," he asserts. "I believe in love, but not monogamy," he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

"I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis in

Update: "Fist Sport" explained. (05/17/01)

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It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

Linus Torvalds is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.

Richard M. Stallman , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD.

Alan Cox is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."

As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following:

RMS: "I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance," he says. "It's about being able to question conventional wisdom," he asserts. "I believe in love, but not monogamy," he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

"I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis in