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This Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika deserves to be called just that... Amerika... wunderbar.
So the kid can't sell his vote which isn't worth shit to begin with when you've got a choice
between a bunch of Skull & Bones Nazi faggots and (to keep the fake left-right paradigm balanced)
a bunch of fabian socialist scum.

Fuck that and fuck their phone election and fuck them for making such a big production out of
a kid making a stand here.

http://www.infowars.com/ read all about it.

To quote the man himself:

PAUL: I'd let California do what they want. And I didn't vote for the Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage, but the states can do it. This can be solved so easily, all you have to do is legalize contracts, you shouldn't even be involved in defining marriage. I think marriage should be a religious and personal ceremony and anybody who wants to call themselves married can. And if they don't want to, that's all right too. If I don't like somebody else calling themselves married, so what? It doesn't bother me any, so I just leave them alone. It's when people call themselves married and want to impose their will on other people and say, "Because now I am married, you will treat my spouse in a certain way," and demanding something either from government or from certain insurance company, that is forcing themselves on somebody else. People should be left alone. If they want to be married, fine. If they want to call it marriage, fine. But they don't have the right to impose it on other people.

source: http://www.infowars.com/?p=2420

16 hour work days, food that's poison, obesity, insurance and medicine they can't afford. At some point it collapses on itself because there's only so much greed an economy can stand. We are entering a recession exactly as predicted by Former World Bank Vice President, Chief Economist and Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz in 2006.

Yeah, they usually wait until they're at least 6 years old.

You pig-ignorant waste of carbon:

http://attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

http://www.infowars.com/images2/iraq/180305rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

VA Shootings? Governments love dis-armed peasants. It is quite amazing that the drugs that the guy was on was allowed by the FDA.
Yeah, guns aren't allowed, but the drug the guy was on was. Gun Free Victim zones are the easiest target for someone doped up on Prozac.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=288
http://www.infowars.com/?p=293

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

But NOOOO. This is America. It can't happen here. Nothing to see here, move along into your concentration camp.

VA Shootings? Governments love dis-armed peasants. It is quite amazing that the drugs that the guy was on was allowed by the FDA.
Yeah, guns aren't allowed, but the drug the guy was on was. Gun Free Victim zones are the easiest target for someone doped up on Prozac.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=288
http://www.infowars.com/?p=293

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

But NOOOO. This is America. It can't happen here. Nothing to see here, move along into your concentration camp.

If all the cables were cut at once a superpower would obviously be suspected. By taking them out one at a time it can be blamed on the Iranian terrorists once the Bush administration sets off the dirty or nuclear bomb that more than a year ago a retired Air Force Pentagon general, Dr. Bob Bowman confirmed the administration was planning to do before the next president takes office. http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/former_head_of_star_wars_say_cheney_main_911_suspect.htm

If you really want to know there are places you can go to start finding out.

When BS is all your post is.

"The reason UN observers do not monitor US elections is because US officials refuse to invite them."

http://www.infowars.com/print/nwo/monitor_election.htm

Is it really that hard to read the post DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS?

I guess when it makes you a liar it's something you have to pretend doesn't exist.

"Dear Mr. Secretary-General:

We, the undersigned Members of Congress, hereby request the Electoral Assistance Division of the United Nations Department of Political Affairs to send election observers to monitor the presidential election in the United States scheduled for November 2, 2004. We are deeply concerned that the right of U.S. citizens to vote in free and fair elections is again in jeopardy."

- http://www.infowars.com/print/nwo/monitor_election.htm

Re: your sig. Ron Paul on Martin Luther King: "a world-class adulterer" who "seduced underage girls and boys" and "replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration"
Ron Paul on the closet: "I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."
Ron Paul on San Francisco gays: "[T]hese men don't really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners." Also, "they enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."
Ron Paul on protecting oneself against 'urban youth' "If you have to use a gun on a youth, you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible. Such a gun cannot, of course, be registered to you, but one bought privately (through the classifieds, for example)."

Also:
Ron Paul wants to define life as starting at conception, build a fence along the US-Mexico border, prevent the Supreme Court from hearing Establishment Clause cases or the right to privacy, pull out of the UN, end birthright citizenship, and abolish the Federal Reserve in order to put America back on the gold standard. He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan.

Oh, and he believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas, he's against gay marriage, is against the popular vote, wants the estate tax repealed, is STILL making racist remarks, and believes in New World Order conspiracy theories.

With credit to Pope Guilty of the SA forums: Ron Paul wants to define life as starting at conception, build a fence along the US-Mexico border, prevent the Supreme Court from hearing Establishment Clause cases or the right to privacy (which would bar atheists from holding office in Texas, prevent the striking down of antisodomy laws, prevent the government from spending any money to enforce its decisions, among many other things), pull out of the UN, end birthright citizenship, and abolish the Federal Reserve in order to put America back on the gold standard. He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan. Oh, and he believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas, he's against gay marriage, is against the popular vote, wants the estate tax repealed, is STILL making racist remarks, and believes in New World Order conspiracy theories. He also said: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be" and "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."

Thread was here. There is some decent coverage to read/watch at DN & infowars.

Yeah, but it looks a lot worse when you club a 6 year old kid into submission.

For a country with so many Christians, I can't believe people aren't up in arms at the talk of putting RFIDs in humans.

Or are church leaders completely ignorant of the Book of Revelations and how the Mark of the Beast ("And no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark..") may actually be manifest by this global police state and RFID+identification+credit-card+etc under-the-skin business?

Even without the whole 2000 year warning on this, are US citizens (and world citizens) really THAT ignorant/scared/apathetic on what certain power-whores are trying to do to our "hard-won" freedoms?

At least there's SOME awareness (check out http://infowars.com/ at least not *all* Americans are sleeping).

ha... sure we'll take your word for that.

from dave schroeder's personal web site:

"Association For Intelligence Officers"
"National Military Intelligence Association"

uh huh, no conflict of interest there.

http://infowars.com/
http://stj911.org/
http://wtc7.net/

911 was an inside job.

Tell you what, I am merely a middle class individual. I have to
work for the little that I can have and guess what...

I don't own a television and I consider watching television if not
vulgar, then self-defeating.

You see, my mind is precious and it's the only thing I can really
take control of in this stage of my life.

As far as the internet is concerned, I would say his Lordship is
painfully aware that it is severely interfering with the peace of the land, i.e. the ignorance of the serfs:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?multimedia
http://www.informationliberation.com/
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.disinfo.com/
http://deoxy.ory/

are just a fair sample right off the top of my mind.

Thanks for telling me, I just updated my sig. Youtube periodically deletes 911 truth videos and then somebody puts it back up. I can be reached at my user@yahoo.com email account, just substitute the string user with geltenfloor. If you want to learn more about this then go to then do go to these sites

http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.informationliberation.com/

Watch the movies Terrorstorm, Loose Change 2nd Edition, Police State 2000, 2003 on
video.google.com (just search for them, you'll find them people make sure those
docs are up). While you're at it also enter "Global Warming Swindle" in video.google.com

Take care
JG

I suggest everyone take a look at this link. This was know before the official announcement. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/pilot_laws uit_alleges_airliners_rigged_with_explosives.htm

Right _now_ these are the topics of the Alex Jones Show which you can listen to
on the web by going to http://www.infowars.com/

- Remote control / automated control of aircraft with uninterruptible autopilot via a panic switch
- explosive charges built into the doors of Boeing planes
- Pilot quits over built-in explosive charges in plane

The Alex Jones 3 hour show is on Monday-Friday and is repeated 24 hours daily 7 days
a week.

Captain Field McConnell

Alex welcomes back to the program Top Gun Military/Commercial
Pilot Field McConnell to discuss his 9/11 cover-up discoveries a
nd his new documentary, 9/11 Solved.

Related Information:

Pilot's Lawsuit Alleges Airliners Rigged With Explosives

If you follow John Yoo's reasoning ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo ) law professor at UCB
contributor to the Patriot Act and author of the infamous torture of enemy combatant memos ... .. it would be legal to crush the testicle of infants with pliers.

Just to show what kind of people we're dealing here with, Yoo maintains his opinion on the _legality_
of torturing infant children all the while acknowledging that it is morally wrong to do so.
The painfully obvious conclusion that "The Law" is immoral escapes him ... and that's where the
parallel to you comes in GeffDE. You seem to be just as anxious to preserve a positive perception of the
law here in this thread and I frankly wonder why.

People who want to find out more about who is saying it is legal to crush children's testicles should
watch this:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/torture_yoo_be ing_asked_justify_crushing_childrens_testicls.htm

People wanting to learn more about this directly from a former IRS agent can watch
the Alex Jones Interview with former IRS Agent Joe Banister:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3KMGK22gOs part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFmeoGn0kwQ part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bavy91QnRsc part3

http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/

There is a whole lot more to "The Law" than fifty yards of paper in
a bookshelf that goes all the way to the top of the ceiling. No matter
what any piece of paper says, "The Law" does not apply equally to
everybody ... if it applies atall... US District Judge Dawson (presiding
over the conviction of author Irwin Schiff) is quoted as saying:
  "I will not allow the law in my court room" and then telling the jury
"You must follow the law as I give it to you".

People (especially tax protestors) tend to forget that whatever happens
to be "The Law" and its du jour interpretation is always ultimately enforced
at gunpoint. But then... just because you can shoot Randy Weaver's son and his wife
while holding a baby in her arms by your black op punks and not have to answer
to the courts you own doesn't make what you do lawful.

So what if I were journalist and radio host like Alex Jones (http://www.infowars.com) and I made
a living investigating the US government and the United Nations and exposing them in
television documentaries like you can _buy_ on DVD from hist site at http://www.infowars.com/ (
or watch for free on http://video.google.com/

Watch Terrorstorm http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=terrorstorm
Watch 911 The Road To Tyranny http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-649546276 1605341661&q=alex+jones
Watch The Order of Death (Bohemian Grove Exposed!) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4927175064 395043413&q=alex+jones+order+of+death
Watch Police State 2: The Takeover by Alex Jones http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-732845682 703884418&q=alex+jones

Why should _he_ or anybody else for that matter register for the RIGHT to express their opinions in public
to any arbitrarily large audience?!

http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=money+master s
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=federal+rese rve
http://www.google.com/search?q=occult+technology+o f+power

Quotes:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Govern ment/Federal%20Reserve%20Scam/quotes_on_the_federa l_reserve.htm
http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/library/money.html

Where sane and informed people get their news:

http://www.infowars.com/

Why no one ever told you:

http://www.google.com/search?q=asymmetric+informat ion+in+economics

"No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine." - J. Edgar Hoover

Don't tell me that these gadgets will never be abused. Just look to the socalled tazer or taser: http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/tasers_police_ taser_pregnant_driver.htm or http://www.nbc5.com/news/4179137/detail.html. An instrument that causes intense pain but doesn't leave a mark on the victim? How will we know that it won't be abused by the police when we know what they do with their other 'non-lethal' gadgets?

It's kinda like Fatherland Security from the Nazi regime in WW2-era Germany, but with less goose-stepping, and with Muslims taking the place of Jews.

It's only a matter of time until people are rounded up and placed in dea^H^H^H freedom camps and exec^H^H^H^H protected.

Especially since CENTCOM and the DoD have done so much to distribute propaganda on the internet in order to cover up the truth about 9/11 and that Google and Yahoo are actively involved in censoring 9/11 truth as well.

http://www.infowars.com/

This is getting all too surreal. First they start ignoring private property rights, then they amass the right to detain anybody anytime for any reason, with or without cause. Then they enact a bill that allows them to declare martial law at any time for any reason, now they are sealing the borders to US citizens that want out?

It sounds like they're gearing up for something. I'm not typically one to be part of the tinfoil brigade, but I think something seriously BAD is on the horizon. Maybe Alex Jones was right?

For every 5 anti-gun soccer moms and hippies, they're a psychopath in the Utah desert with an arsenal ready to be passed out. I have $5 that says there'll be a 2nd civil war within ten years.

Tokyo train station gets facial scan payment systems
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/27/tokyo-train-sta tion-gets-facial-scan-payment-systems/ [engadget.com]

Your face could soon become just another 'bar code'
  SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AT STATIONS
http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/biometrics_you r_face_could_be_barcode.htm

Tokyo's Kasumigaseki Station
http://www.smartmobs.com/archive/2006/04/26/tokyos _kasumig.html

The US censor doesn't like these sites at all but right now they're still legal
(even though they're information terrorists, you know).

I wonder though what the Ayatollah Al Censori makes of these here:

Unwelcome Guests
Alex Jones Infowars
Disinformation gateway
Alan Watt's site (do watch Reality Check)
alternate thought, psychodelic substance experimentation
Learn about Astrotheology
History _is_ a weapon

Most of the stuff you can download with a 128kbs connection, okay, so instead of a minute a 20Mb
mpeg like "Reality Check" you will have to wait half an hour to get it. So what. Most of the
stuff out there is text anyway and you could even re- or rather de-educate yourself with a
16Kbps connection.

Btw... don't visit these sites in internet cafes etc, especially in countries where they have
execution buses in the parking lot (China) or whip and hang you in public (Iran, I suppose) or in
countries where somebody peeking at your screen will surreptiously take out his mobile phone to
call Homeland Security (you know where that happens, don't you).

Happy self-deprogramming!

This is a dumb post.

First of all, Bin ladin (Al qaeda) had already attacked the USA several times by then. That he was going to continue attacks was obvious. That many attacks had already occurred during the Clinton administration is obvious.

I advise you to consult Wikipedia on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Quaeda#Activities

Attacks listed by year: (might be missing some)
1992
1993*, 1993
1995, 1995
1996 (Khobar)
1998,1998
1999
2000

*dubious, may or may not be al-qaeda

These facts aren't really so relevant as is the fact that Clinton had many chances to get Bin Ladin and he failed to capitalize on them. http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowle dge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/

Both Presidents are at fault. Both presidents failed when they had good chances of snagging him, clinton on numerous occasions, and bush with Tora Bora. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/

I said, "The entire world believed Saddam to have WMD." I thought it common knowledge, but maybe I should have cited it anyway. How about UN Resolution 1441. According to the Wiki, it was passed Unanimously by the UN. I translate that roughly to mean "the entire world."

You talk about the economy, but I wasn't really talking about the overall economy at all. I was talking about the deficit spending, which you had no response to, and I can't blame you. The facts are simple, the Republican congress balanced the budget. But since you brought up the economy, here's a brief history. Clinton had a great economy when he was President. There's one problem though. The dot-com bubble. During his later years, Amazon.com was worth more than the entire airline industry. That was an artificial high: An artificially high economy. The dot-com bubble burst _before_ Clinton left office. The economy was heading downward during the last few months of Clinton. Then Bush took office. The economy still was heading downward. Then 9/11 hit and the economy tanked. But.... Since then it's come back. It's come back since the 9/11 low. Do you realize the nation is at full employment and has been since 2004? You don't hear that in the news every day, do you. So if you want to talk about the economy, I'll just say that both Clinton and W have had great economies, but look at what Clinton had going for him, and look what Bush had working against him.

Again with the "Bush Lying" crap. See UN Resolution 1441. If you have some argument based on that I would truly like to hear it.

Again with the "$45 TRILLION debt he's given us." He didn't give us the _whole_ 45 Trillion. I stated that in my previous post.

About "Letting Osama go at Tora Bora," I think the phrase you meant to say was that Bin Laden _escaped_ from Tora Bora. You make it sound like we had him in handcuffs and we let him go. That's not the case. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, had Clinton on a silver platter multiple times, and didn't take him. Here's one link, you can find more.

I'd like to respond to the Pakistan thing, but I simply don't have time as I have to be somewhere.

Alan.

As bad as it has gotten, we are going to see it get MUCH worse in the next 5 - 10 years. I am constantly reseaching this exact topic and there seems to be a consistent observable pattern. They play on the masses desire for convenience. Restrictive measures happen as well, but usually take more effort and often waving the t3rr03ist flag to gain support, thus they creep in a bit more slowly. Convenience is the big seller. Any time you hear about ANY great new [electronic] convenience making your life that much easier (and that's easier to reach the goal that they have chosen for you which you want terribly of course, ie: consumption, accumulation of wealth, hot women/men, your own top 40 music video, &c.) you can almost be completely certain that there getting closer to making you live in a pod ("I didn't say it would be easy, I just said it would be the truth")("I know this steak isn't real".."put me back in the pod").

Aaron Russo's new film opened yesterday:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

And don't forget INFOWARS

http://www.infowars.com/

Believe it.

You know, - personally - I think they did go to the moon and then edited out/ blacked out things not intended for
the chattel. Knowing a thing or two about Masons I could very well imagine that they would could not resist a ritual
while on the moon. Our ruling elites are pretty much into rituals themselves:

Every July, Fuehrerpresident Bush, his Daddy and nice folks like Bill Clinton and of course
David Gergen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gergen, the David Rockefeller and the rest of the really important
people (the TV People, remember?) they meet at the Bohemian Grove http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove where
there's the Bohemian Club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Club where they
celebrate the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation_of_Care Ritual every July. Whatever it is that our hooded and
black robed masters of Televison Entertainment, World Politics, War against Terror/Drugs/Hatespeech and Billion Dollar
Mergers that leave thousands without income do, I'd say it's Phoenician Baal Molech worship at it's best but hey that
would make me a stupid "Conspiracy Theorist".

Hey serf! If you want to see what your Masters are up to this month, there's a VIDEO made by Alex Jones at
http://www.infowars.com/ you should watch: (He sneaked into the Bohemian Grove and filmed the ritual)

http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG

You're damm right. Here's a web site to read up on that: http://www.infowars.com/

I don't usually advertise sites here on slashdot but this article warrants it.
Check out the site. Flame, cry foul or scream your own paranoia in my face, call
me a conspiracy nut I don't care.

I have karma to burn for stuff I strongly believe people need to know about.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm
http://www.reason.com/0211/fe.jm.gun.shtml
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/gun_ban_utopia _creates_crime.htm. http://www.gunblast.com/British_Crime_Soars.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/607623.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

Now, I fully expect you to dismiss most of these links out of hand because they come from 'biased' sources. I also fully expect that you will not do even the bare minimum of research nessesary to form a coherant opinion on your own, beyond the kneejerk post above mine. I myself have only posted the most interesting links from the front page of the Google search I conducted, and I know better sources exist. So really, I suppose I can't be disappointed this way, nor have I wasted too much time.

You are perfectly correct, if those were indeed planted explosives they did not detonate as intended. Since they were only observed during the plane impact into WTC 2 and during the collapse a possible explanation was they were the cause by a volatile substance reacting to shockwaves in the building. Since I don't believe the hand of Allah protected the planes with stealth shields and dumbfounded NORAD, FEMA (on site the day before), and the CIA who all were running simulations of the terrorist attacks at the same time something must account for the explosions and white smoke. See Eyewitness 9/11 for more continuous video of the WTC collapses.

While with WTC 2 the collapse appeared to begin where the plane impacted see jones reason 9 with WTC 1 the collapse appeared to start at the top jones reason 6

Does the government's account of the 9/11 event fulfill the scientific method? How does it account for the observed phenomena witnessed in the videos? Does it eliminate plausible alternatives? Was government complicacy ever even investigated? As with any true scientific investigation it must focus on the facts. Since the 9/11 commission was formed over a year after the event due to pressure by the families and was originally to be headed by Henry Kissinger it would appear its purpose was more for political than scientific reasons.

As for the prize, who controls all the evidence? Why did they fiercly protect it? Five years after the event why won't they release all the photos,videos, and samples they have? Shouldn't we have a right to view the evidence for ourselves and make our own determination? Aren't we the people the in control of the government? Or, should we blindly trust the providential guidance of our government officials as the gospel truth to explain what occurred?

Sure thing...

I know it's hosted on the unreliable Infowars, but it's the only copy of The Independent's article I could find:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/held_4_yea rs_never_even_questioned.htm

It took 3 years of being locked in a dungeon before our Law Lords ruled their imprisonment was incompatible with the HRA. The Govt's response was to push through the whole Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 in 7 days saying that if it took any longer, these dangerous terrorists would be free to strike again.

As subsequently happened on the ID Cards Act, the elderly House of Lords were forced to stay up into the early hours of the morning and luckily not one of them died. This 3rd draconian 'anti-terror' Act (which can lock any of us up in our own homes without access to family indefinitely) was passed after several ping-pongs and a sunset clause applied.

The moment I heard these so-called terrorists were released without being even put under House Arrest, I knew this Govt would tell any lie to pass their totalitarian laws.

More recently, the sunset clause of PoT was renewed without even a vote. And Control Orders were ruled incompatible with the HRA by a High Court judge.

Let me know if you need any other sources.

First of all, WT7 DID NOT have a plane crash into it, and yet still fell (symetrically and into its own footprint), next:

the empire state building had a plane crash into it: At 9:49 a.m. on Saturday July 28, 1945, a B-25 Mitchell bomber accidentally crashed into the north side between the 79th and 80th floors, where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. The fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. 14 people were killed in the accident[3].(wikipedia)

Regardless of this, the building was designed to withstand impacts by aircraft of this size, so it shouldn't (and indeed thats not the official explanation) have been the impact that caused the problem. if you think it was the fire, then compare this picture of the WTC fire towers where you can see a small area on one tower and a larger but still relatively small section on the other smoking (black indicating low oxygen therefore cooler fires) with a few visible flames, with this and thisimage of the windsor building in madrid, that was totally engulfed in flames from about halfway up the building to the top, and burned for 10 hours, yet didn't collapse, with only parts not including the inner support section collapsing after burning for hours, as you might expect. Note that the tower, while smaller, had a similar construction to the wtc, being a central support column and perimeter supports, and that the tower was "built using normal strength concrete and before modern fire proofing standards, without any sprinkler system. It was undergoing a complete refurbishment, including the installation of various active fire prevention and resistance measures, when the fire began at around 11pm on 14 February 2005." (see here and here for more pictures and (you may say biased) info and here for a case study of the construction and result of the huge fire. Many other buildings have burned for similar or longer, and not collapsed. If you still think it's reasonable to accept three world first events on the same day at face value, in your words "then you are, frankly, a fucking moron.""(in a less offensive way, if it was conspiracy theorists saying that al queda did it with planes, and the government saying that they demolished it to make room for new towers or something, then would you still think it was rediculous?)

also if you think it was "not an ordinary fire" and that the addition of the jet fuel caused the extra heat that differentiated them from every other fire in history, then, from the debunking 911 myths on popular mechanics:

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsiblefor the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

therefore apart from a hot start and some mild damage to the outer structure (which was not intended for holding up the bulk of the weight of the building but rather to resist torsional forces from wind etc, and therfore if that had failed would be much more likely to have caused an assymetrical toppling, rather than a symetrical fall), it was no different to any other fire in the history of steel/concrete buildings. So I ask again, why did three buildings fall on the same day from fire, and never before or since in history?

straw man. The steel didn't melt. It was hot enough to significantly weaken it (ask a blacksmith), but not to melt it.

"Peter Tully, presid

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/16050 6giantpsyop.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/pentagon_p lane_release.htm

WTC 7: http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm

Quote: "In a stunning and belated development concerning the attacks of 9/11 Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001."

Back to the engines. Airplane engines are relatively fragile pieces of equipment and are full of fuel. Also, given that they are close to the body on a 757 Picture Here The hole made in the pentagon was bigger than the fuselage by a large amount. There was one hole and it makes sense that there was one hole. When objects crash into a building or wall, they do not leave nice clean carboard cutouts like in cartoons, they leave big gaping holes.

Yes it does appear that way, doesn't it? Makes you wonder in the tin foil hat crowd like http://infowars.com/ is so crazy after all?

Just a thought...
DNA in the form of blood, nails, hair, etc. has been the traditional ingredient in international witch's brew since long before science stumbled onto its power. Who in their right mind would want to be susceptible to the ploys of evil witches?

Because this guy offered nail clippings, I realize my point is ineffective for this case. I just can't help but wonder how a court would have responded to allegations of mass modern day witchcraft (instead of the boring Bible case the Jehovah's Witnesses provided).
Maybe, bring up the strange practices of Bohemian Grove for the hell of it.

They're probably after articles like this ;)
http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/tom_flocco_ arrested_tied_to_wh_child_sex_ring.htm

Not only is google participating in censorship in China, they are also involved in some activities in the U.S. which are disquieting. For example, they have been documented (see link http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_goog le_censoring_story_again.htm on at least two occasions not indexing important alternative news stories, such as the one on Charlie Sheen's 9/11 comments above. Insomuch as they fail to index an important story which has been heavily visited and linked to, it is clear that they are engaging in de-facto censorship.

http://www.myspace.com/alex_infowarrior http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/myspace_t rojan_horse_of_internet_censorship.htm

A Government Mandate

In 2001, the Federal Communications Commission ordered mobile telephone carriers to add technology to handsets that pinpoint their location. The idea was to make it easier to track 911 calls.

Some carriers adopted technology that used signals from cell phone towers to determine location. Others, including national carriers Verizon Wireless, Sprint and Nextel, went with GPS.

Although Nextel is the only national carrier to offer GPS services, all new phones sold by these carriers are GPS- equipped. By the end of 2005, companies that chose GPS are supposed to have converted at least 95 percent of their subscribers to the phones, although some carriers have indicated they will ask the FCC for an extension.

Well, you show me the people that had access to the wreckage afterwards, and who inspected it, and what they inspected it for. Put simply, if someone HAD inspected it, we wouldnt be talking about 'theories' of what caused the building to collapse. We would be looking at their emperical data and argueing over that.

Such things take rather a lot of setup to pull off

I guess it would be an advantage if your brother was a principal memeber of the board for the company that provided electronic security to the WTC towers...

But hey, why shouldnt I trust a government? Its not like they never lied about things before