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Here's why some like it and some don't.Visit www.linux.org and look at the first online lesson( http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l1/lesson1a
. html). Most people want to use an OS, not help develop one. They truely want thier involvement with the OS to be passive - like using a toaster. The masses will adopt Linux when this goal from lesson 1 is seen as totally absurd:"To show that using Linux opens up a whole new world of computing. This means that a Linux user is not just a passive subject reacting to what the OS allows him/her to do but he/she is an active "developer" with complete control over the operating system."
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Re:Request
Does anyone know a utility/website for detecting and cleaning bots?
I use a can of airduster, a cotton swab and an alochol solution to clean my bots.
There are a bunch of port scanner sites out there that can check the integrity of your firewall. DSL Reports has a decent one if memory serves. Use Spybot Search & Destroy, LavaSoft AdAware and a good antivirus like AVG or Avast. If you suspect that there is unwanted network traffic to and from your system, use Ethereal to see where it is going to and coming from. If you suspect an exploit of Internet Explorer, HijackThis can shed some light on it. Check the task manager process tab for suspicious looking entries and Google them. Lay off the pr0n! and v1agr@ emails.
By far the most powerful and versatile utility is The Geek Down The Street (TM), possibly surpassed by Your Local Computer Repair Shop (TM). Ultimately, there is no replacememnt for smart practices and secure software. Use an alternative browser like Firefox or Opera, or better yet pop on over to http://www.linux.org/dist/ and take your pick. -
Re:And the best part is...
Linux is already able to encrypt swap and I haven't heard anything about that slowing the computer down too much. Besides, some CPUs already have hardware-accelerated cryptography engines anyway. Finally, all new computers will come with a TPM, if they don't already. Although I don't think it's strictly required that the TPM be a cryptography accelerator, it makes sense for it to be.
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Re:Solaris GPL3 versus Linux GPL2From http://www.linux.org/info/gnu.html:
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
...so it can used by GPL3 code?
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The patch...
I'm surprised nobody has suggested this patch. My home box sets its clock to the atomic clock at U of I every time I turn it on. Why can't Windows do that?
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Re:No Experience?
I'm throwing a bit of cold water on the Ubuntu recommendations. Ubuntu isn't the best for turning a Windows system into a dual boot. Perhaps Ubuntu has improved in 6, but the Breezy version's installer could not handle NTFS partitions. Had to boot up Knoppix to get a partition editor that was up to the task, then install Ubuntu. Another nuisance, for those who want gcc, is Ubuntu doesn't install gcc by default. It's not obvious that the "build-essentials" package must be installed as well as gcc. And for me, I'm not too keen on being constantly nagged to install updates, a feature that Ubuntu and Windows share. Other than such nitpicks, Ubuntu is a fine distro. One more thing: if a more responsive faster desktop experience is wanted, and Ubuntu is still the #1 choice, maybe try Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu.
Anyone mention Distrowatch yet? Great site for info about dozens of Linux and BSD distros. There's the Linux.org listing of distros of course, but I prefer Distrowatch.
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Re:WTF?
there was Slashdot article on Friday with links to how to do it.
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/17/ 1327239
Download the otheros.self file from SCEfoo,
http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/
download FC5 PPC DVD,
download the addon's disk (theres some detailed instructions on it too)
ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Sony-PS3/
and install.
You can find more detailed instructions in various places on the net
In a about a week you'll be able to buy Yellow Dog 5.0 for the PS3, supposedly it has 1 click install.
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/
I really don't know why you're so skeptical, this is not the first game console from Sony that supports LInux, officially mind you, this isn't some sort of hack. -
sco timeline
here ya go sparky
Aren't you supposed to be out harshly interrogating detainees or something? Or wait, this week it's running propoganda astroturf blogs. What are you, on break or something? Go earn your check. -
Re:The IP Crusades
and the broad population will not create free stuff for the benefit of mankind without compensation.
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Re:I believe in people
Read objectvie 3 here: http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l1/lesson1a
. html Think about it carefully. I don't believe most potential users want to be active OS developers. -
Nice FUDding try but Linux thrives and rocks!
Over the next 12 months, do you plan to increase the number of Linux systems you run?
* Yes (51%)
* No (29%)
* Already running 100% Linux! (20%)
Total Votes: 2,502
I've already posted I am running 100% Linux. Two friends of mine are also running Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy Eft and they are running 100% Linux. The Edgy Eft live CD performs exceptionally well and the install goes smoothly. Proprietary Hardware/Software installations can get tricky
-CSS stuff for playing/ripping dvds)
-Hauppage Video Capture TV Tuner Cards
but the answers are out on the internet with clearly explained recipes and they do work. The Linux installations for all the distros would be much easier if the Manufacturers making the proprietary hardware/software would be more cooperative with the Linux community. The Linux afficianados already know that if the Windows-Compatible Hardware Manufacturers don't provide Linux Compatible hardware, the Linux users will look to other Linux-Compatible hardware manufacturers, before they buy their next hardware upgrade. There are Linux-Compatible Hardware providers if you didn't know.
http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatibility.html
And yes there are people who sell Desktops/Laptops/PDA's with Linux pre-installed.
http://www.linux.org/hardware/
FYI the USB, FIREWIRE and USB 2.0 run perfectly on Ubuntu DAPPER Linux and Ubuntu Edgy EFT Linux without any tweaking. My external harddrive, hp3820 printer, and my friend's mp3 player and scanner connected/ran right away without issues. I would assume the other Distros(DEBIAN, MANDRIVA, FEDORA, SLACKWARE, SUSE and the rest) also boot up their Linux smoothly and respect them all. In my opinion Mr. Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is spreading FUD on Microsoft's behalf. He says there are too many flavors of Linux to choose from. Just the fact there are many Linux distros out there says a lot about linux being popular and it also says a lot about Linux empowering more people because it is FREE and OPEN-SOURCE. Microsoft is having difficulty competing with something that is being installed for free 0$. Cost for me installing Linux 0$, Cost for my friend 0$, Cost for my other friend 0$.
Recently there was an announcement about a MS and SUSE partnership. This is good news for linux because it will reduce hardware compatibility issues coming from proprietary hardware. My guess this partnership is being done to satisfy the government demand for not being locked into one OS VENDOR and to make the MS/SUSE bid more appealing. If all bodes well, the governments will demand that the bid include the demand the source patches will be spread upstream to the other LINUX DISTRO KERNELS in a timely manner considering the fact that it is all taxpayer money paying for their contracts in the first place. If the MS/SUSE bid wins big government, they need to deliver. If they don't, there is always place for the other Linux DISTROS submitting bids to big government for doing the same thing.
It's all good. Linux lives and no FUD(Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics will stop it from thriving and gain the true market share it merits. Of course, credit needs to be given to the GNU Manifesto for providing the spirit to drive all the real synergy behind Linux.
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Re:It's all about pre-installed.
Well, it is being pre-installed on certain systems for the desktop use. I agree that once the mainstream OEMs pre-install Linux these types of issues will go away, but for now, you can get it pre-installed: http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/desktop.html
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Re:Why? Heres Why
I just ordered my mom a dell system with a monitor for $500. It comes with windows
It is a given that when a computer comes from the manufacturer that it will be set up to work with the included hardware. There are even some start-up companies that offer Linux boxes preconfigured http://www.sub500.com/mainpage.htm, http://www.system76.com/, and http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html to name a couple.
She will be able to telecommute to work, she will be able to surf the internet, get email, do her taxes, edit he pictures from her camera and do it quickly, reliably, and with no hassle at all.
From my (limited) experience with Linux, this can all be done rather easily with a standard load (with the exception of taxes). No muss, no fuss, no "hassle".
My problem with Windows, in general, is the requirement to load each driver individually, reboot after each driver load (for my laptop), load service packs and updates, reboot after each service pack or update, etc. My latest distro (Ubuntu) worked 100% out of the box. I had to reboot one time after a kernel upgrade. Of course this is all for the non-preinstalled operating systems so it may not matter to the masses. It is, though, important to people who find themselves using an unsupported OS.
With a little caution towards security on the users part there is nothing it cant do for the average computer user.
I agree 100%. The weak link in any OS is the user and it will be this way regardless of which piece of software you use. -
Re:Average PC User
Nano is very tiny, and could be added to the LSB with absolutely no trouble. Then one could say that anytime you hop onto a Linux system, you can choose nano if vi seems too arcane. From there, realizing that OS X also includes nano, it is not a stretch to say that nano would be emerging as a *nix standard. It is already used in most OS X examples as a common-sense way to do quick edits in the CLI.
The problem with vi is that to many people it is outright repulsive. When told to use it, I infer an underlying attitude of "We don't care about making you deal with unnecessarily arcane tools and formats". Still, I'm not saying it should be abandoned or removed... its just not a program that ought to be forced onto anyone at the 'Webhosting 101' or 'Junior Linux Admin' stages.
Sed and awk are fine the way they are, but people are not going to be expected to learn them just so they can perform rare, emergency system maintenance. With vi, its a different story.
That is how I see it anyway. If it were up to me, I would replace 80% of /etc stuff with XML files, making sure that a good text-mode XML editor with tree/node view was included. Too many subsystems on Linux integrate poorly because their config/control options are based on their /etc file, a custom format with vague rules and/or poor documentation. The first nonsense file format to be slayed would be xorg.conf. But that's just daydreaming. :-)
Your idea about relocating libraries for certain app dependencies reminds me of Apple appdirs: The non-standard version of the library stays in the appdir, and appropriately the vendor that supplied it with the app is responsible for how well it functions. I think that should be standard procedure when developing any app on any OS: If you insist on holding back to an older version than the OS specifies, then (if licensing allows) it is your job to include it with the app and have the app load it from its own folder. Making the rest of the system deal with your decision is just wrong, but unfortunately that's how its done on "Linux".
The HCL idea has been burning in my mind for over a year. If I could figure out a way to attract a real following (and some hardware expertise) to it, I'd set up a project website. Probably the first thing to do would be to compile information from the various fragmented hardware lists; these would be some starting points:
http://mradomski.wordpress.com/2006/07/09/linux-ha rdware-compatibility-lists-hcl/
http://www.linux.org/vendor/hardware/index.html
http://support.xandros.com/hcl.php
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Re:No point whiningI said pretty much everything I have to say on this subject about six months ago, but since I'm not a subscriber I can't find the comment again.
But you make a few points I'd like to answer:
So these hypothetical companies can afford to buy software, but can't afford some IT consulting?
All of the IT consultants we've found are: 1) Windows specialists; 2) incompetent; or 3) both. These are probably the same choices facing many other small companies in many other small cities like ours.
IT Managers buy Windows because they always have...
Again, I'm talking about companies that are too big or too technical to do everything with foolscap and quill, but too small to have an IT manager.
Ernie Ball moved his entire organisation over to open-source. So it can be done.
I'm happy for Ernie Ball, really. But does Ernie Ball use CNC programming software? linux.org doesn't list that many choices for CAD/CAM software. In fact, the only listing for sheet nesting software, PN4000, links to a dead site. If we switch to OSS, what guarantee do we have that a critical specialty application won't go unsupported next week? -
Four Software Firewalls that Really Work!
I've been using these personal firewalls for years without a single occurance of malware or rooting. See for yourself, they run on a variety of architecture. They can be found here and here.
A couple of others that are nearly as good (in my personal experience) are here and here. .
Give them a try. You'll be impressed with the increased security. -
Re:*focus*
Sorry dude, but the Kernelnewbies wiki runs at my home
:)
Having said that, Greg-KH is one of the largest contributors on the kernelnewbies mailing list... -
Re:Bigger man than I
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Article is a schill of Microsoft.
Does none remember that Corel was bought by Microsoft? Does Microsoft not have a controlling-interest in Corel process and operations? So they dropped their Linux offers and claim to have regained value, yet have not the common courtesy to refer to Linux as a service-oriented technology? Sure Linux is a liability if the company doesn't use it for a profitable purpose. Business-101 isn't what Corel needs, because it is evident propoganda Microsoft directs through its subsidiaries it buys into. This is no different than how Microsoft inducted SCO to harass and issue false titles and false claim to Intellectual Property owners in competition.
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A successor
There already is a successor. You know that Linux thing that everybody's been talking about? I hear that's a pretty good operating system.
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Re:funyn
I've viewed http://www.linux.org/ but I doubt I can successfully install it without causing irreparable damage, so I won't risk it--if it ain't broke. . .
Most people are not going to go to these extremes. Windows works out of the box. This is how it has to be.
If it's a simple matter of pre-installing or even including a CD (as opposed to brokering some deal with MS) I don't see why companies like Dell don't offer this as an option. Especially since they're supposedly so customized, it seems like it'd be easy to list and provide alternative OSs. "Add for free" or "included in price" would attract a lot of people.
Outside of businesses and govt agencies (including schools), I don't see home users "needing" Windows. But if most programs aren't created to run on multiple platforms that only adds to the problem and continued dependency on MS.
That is the fault of the companies producing software, not MS. That's what I call laziness. -
Re:Bugged? Patch
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Re:If the software is making firms more productive
There's plenty of open-source 3d modeling software, and I bet there's plenty of open-source software for any other need a small business might have. Maybe you don't like that software as much as the software that costs money, but that doesn't mean you can just download proprietary software without paying the asking price. Software companies don't owe you their software. There's plenty of software being offered for free, why don't you use that instead of the software that isn't?
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Re:Mac users need not bother replying...
Ok, so everyone now knows you're a Mac user, you can go away now..
Actually: No. I am not. I use this new, hip thing called L-I-N-U-X. ;-) -
Re:Yes, it's news.
Name calling and lying do nothing for their product.
They do nothing for Linux, either.
Need I remind you of how you use "M$" and "Windoze" as a matter of course, hurl sneers and insults at anyone who dares speak well of Microsoft, rehash the same anti-Microsoft FUD over and over (even when it's been debunked), and equate Microsoft and its executives with oppressive totalitarian regimes, terrorist organizations, and murderers?
In short, twitter, you need to read this.
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The Applications Are Out There
After the tests, representatives of Fedora, Linspire and Novell told me that Sony Vaios are known to have compatibility problems with Linux.
Yeah, I'm not impressed with Sony Vaios. It seems like they were designed to run Windows and be really small and light. They happen to be very good at those qualities so they appear attractive to most consumers with deep pockets?
Did this man do any searches for Linux on Vaios? A lot of laptops have special sites out there that aim to make the transition easy for users ... the Vaio is no different.
Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't try Mandrake/Mandriva for his laptop. I found that one to be the most friendly for my Dell back in college but perhaps things have changed?The Linux systems could make sense for users who just want to send and receive email and surf the Web without the need for multimedia programs, or to perform home-office tasks without a lot of interaction with Microsoft systems.
I think the users just have to have the patience to go out there and find the multimedia programs. They do exist, you know.Claims by some Linux publishers that anybody can easily switch to Linux from Windows seem totally oversold.
I don't think that these claims have been made. I've seen publishers encourage it but I haven't seen a marketing push to claim anyone can do it. Some people don't want to climb more than one learning curve in their life. Those are the people that can't make the switch. -
Re:Credit for millions of jobs??
I took your advice and did look things up.
In Win95, another process could easily corrupt another one's process memory. A simple demonstration of this fact were all the in-memory game patch tools which never required driver-level access.
As for the NT Kernel, it's so suspiciously similar to the VMS and RSX-11 kernels there was almost a lawsuit over it. Of course, this shouldn't be surprising because the primary designer (Dave Cutler) was the same guy for all three!
Selecting a word and changing the font? Have you conveniently forgotten the Macintosh?!
Yes, Apple (1978-1983 with the Lisa) and MIT (1984 with X-Windows) both copied the modern GUI from Xerox. Of course, their development efforts were simultaneous and independent. Microsoft (1985 with Windows), however, is in a bit of a different time scope.
"Client/server kernel technology, not monolithic or microkernel"? Do you have any idea what you're saying? I'm guessing you haven't taken an introductory class in operating system design. Please take a few minutes to view Wikipedia's informative article on the subject. In short, there was and still is plenty like it.
And then, of course, there are the strawmen. No one is claiming Microsoft copied the WinAPI or GDI/GDI+. Those are disingenius arguments. They're Microsoft proprietary and, quite frankly, not the greatest APIs. In fact, both are being phased out by Microsoft as fast as they are capable of pushing the whole managed code initiative... ... but RTF?! A TeX rip-off format designed for being able to portably transfer documents between Windows and Macintosh copies of Word as their actual format sucked? Yeah, no copying there!
Then you refer to Visual Basic (1991), in which anyone who was using computers at the time can quickly rejoin with Apple's Hypercard (1987) and its family of applications spawned.
And finally, if you had ever applied "the same eye of scrutiny" to Microsoft as you barely applied to Apple or Linux, you would easily have come to the above conclusions. (Apple is responsible for the first mass market personal computer. Linus's original announcement post made it clear he was making a derivation.) -
This might help you more.
Distrowatch offers information on and reviews for many different Linux distributions. It does not really classify them, though. The distro chart at Linux.org classified distributions using several categories, but it has not been updated in a while. Also, there is a test to determine which Linux distribution is right for you.
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This might help you more.
Distrowatch offers information on and reviews for many different Linux distributions. It does not really classify them, though. The distro chart at Linux.org classified distributions using several categories, but it has not been updated in a while. Also, there is a test to determine which Linux distribution is right for you.
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Linux.org
Did anyone look at http://www.linux.org/ ?? It is a monster from the 1980's It should look somewhat like the site of ubuntu-linux, or it should just redirect to ubuntu-linux.
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Re:So what's the value of a 3-digit /. UID?
The user I remember doing that was Fascdot Killed My Pr, who signed up not long before I did (his UID is 5 digits, not 3). There's a blurb about the auction here, but Fascdot hasn't posted in years, so whoever bought the account (if anyone) never did anything with it.
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Re:Don't Buy from Dell
Here you go.
There are plenty of other companies that sell Linux an (sic) no-OS machines.
http://www.addonshop.com/
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
http://www.ibexpc.com/
http://www.koobox.com/
http://www.linare.com/
http://www.linspire.com/
http://www.linuxcertified.com/
http://www.linuxsyscorp.com/
http://www.microtelpc.com/
http://www.outpost.com/
http://shoprcubed.com/
http://www.sub300.com/
http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm
http://www.walmart.com/
http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html
http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed
http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html
http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information)
Slashdot's lameness filter is actually pretty... well... lame. Defeating it is usually as easy as adding more text. You know, like this sentence. :-) -
Don't Buy from Dell
There are plenty of other companies that sell Linux an no-OS machines. http://www.addonshop.com/ http://www.emperorlinux.com/ http://www.ibexpc.com/ http://www.koobox.com/ http://www.linare.com/ http://www.linspire.com/ http://www.linuxcertified.com/ http://www.linuxsyscorp.com/ http://www.microtelpc.com/ http://www.outpost.com/ http://shoprcubed.com/ http://www.sub300.com/ http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm http://www.walmart.com/ http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information)
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Re:You are completely missing the point
I agree with GP, I do not know why people continue to *believe* that typing cryptic commands to the computer is easy, again it may be straight forward when YOU KNOW HOW but it is not easy to INFERE when you do not know the commands.
for one, what THE FUCK does eselect opengl set nvidia means? that does not makes any sense, again what does emerge nvidia-kernel means??
Give a doctor those instructions and they will just unplug the cord and go to read a book. You have to have a very narrow perspecitve to think like that. One of the main goals of software usuability is to allow people to INFERE by themselves how to use something with their prior knowledge.
People know how to search in google. And if they need to do something they will search in google.
I will take the time to give you a step by step example.
Lets imagine our hypothetical Jane average user who has returned from London and has her digital camera full with pictures, now she wants to make an album on her computer. She has two different choices:
google "photo album windows XP"
or
google "photo album linux".
In the first case, if she has Windows, the first 3 google search results are:
1. Microsoft Windows XP - Make a photo album on your computer
2. Picasa
3. Digital Photography - Reviews and free downloads at Download.com
The frist option is a page containing detailed step by step instructions on how to make a Windows Folder and use it as a photo album.
The second option is Picasa which will direct you to download and install the program by clicking "open" (after that, you know it is Next/Next/Next).
The third option will direct you to download.com, which provides a list of photo album applications like FlipAlbum (ha, my father bought that IIRC).
Now, with our Linux Jane, what do we have as the 3 first results:
JAlbum - free web photo album software and photo gallery software
Corel Corporation - Home of CorelDRAW, WordPerfect, Paint Shop Pro ...
Linux Online - Application: Web Photo Album
The first one is the closer to an answer, it takes you to Jalbum, unfortuantely you must register with some personal data (so much for the Open Source karma uh?) and you may need to download and install Java runtime.
If our Jane have not run yet, she will download the .bin, and then she may try to open it (supposing that she is using fedora core 4 with Gnome she may double click or right click and open, or just click open on the firefox download window) and then a big text full big X error window will appear saying: "Cannot open JAlbuminstall.bin".
Of course, she should know better as to change the rights to executable in the properties windows and then after that, open a terminal and run it... but that was just too much, so she went to the second option... ... Which takes her to Corel corporation, and after wandering around she finds Corel Photo Album, and after clicking on the "Try It" link she may create an account and download the program just to see that it is an EXE, whoops, not for Linux (she might even read the System Requirments before doing all that...).
So, she goes to the third option, it seems good:
Web Photo Album automatically generates photo albums on the fly from directories containing your favorite photos. Supports captions (including HTML tags), definable page sizes, forward and reverse preview, and index pages. All preview and inde -
Re: Other companies selling preinstalled Linux
http://www.addonshop.com/ http://www.emperorlinux.com/ http://www.ibexpc.com/ http://www.koobox.com/ http://www.linare.com/ http://www.linspire.com/ http://www.linuxcertified.com/ http://www.linuxsyscorp.com/ http://www.microtelpc.com/ http://www.outpost.com/ http://shoprcubed.com/ http://www.sub300.com/ http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm http://www.walmart.com/ http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information) No OS (Sabio made by Quanta, like Dell-latitudes) http://www.avadirect.com/ http://www.asimobile.com/ http://www.powernotebooks.com/
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Re:GNU = GNU's Not UnixMaybe I should have been clearer.
Linux is a free Unix-type operating system originally created by Linus Torvalds with the assistance of developers around the world. Developed under the GNU General Public License , the source code for Linux is freely available to everyone. Click on the link below to find out more about the operating system that is causing a revolution in the world of computers.
From the first paragraph at http://www.linux.org/
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Re:REXX support
Linux and Windows will never have useful REXX support
Regina has been around on linux since the mid-90's.
http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_8860.html
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Re:How is this different than a game console?
Microsoft has updated it's Xbox Dashboard several times to improve security and lockout applications that are not certified (i.e. licensed by MS to run on the platform). When the Xbox Linux people tried to get a license, they were flatly denied. Microsoft has done exactly the same thing because they can legally dictate what goes on the system.
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Re:Windows 2000?Yes, you can find them at http://www.linux.org./
Seriously though, what's your objection to Windows XP? I mean, it uses a little more memory, but not much... And it has cleartype! I have a stinkpad with 128MB and I'm dying to upgrade the memory so I can run XP just to get that.
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Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th
You mean, just like anyone can start a software company to compete with Microsoft?
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no Linux drivers
I just purchased a Radeon X1300 for a silent system (Sapphire uses a large heat sink, no fan).
I am very disappointed that there is no ATI Linux driver for it. It works with Vesa but that is far from satisfactory (no Xv for instance). I asked ATI when a driver may be available and got the following non-answer:
The Linux drivers available from ATI are provide are "as is". You may be able to get further assistance from the Linux community at the links below:
http://www.linux.org/help/index.html
http://www.linuxdoc.org/
http://www.xfree86.org/
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Microsoft's no-fail anti-virus "elimination"...
As has been pointed out elsewhere on this thread, Microsoft are taking the credit for people receiving less spam through the use of tools developed by third parties.
So on the same basis, Microsoft can indeed be given the credit for eliminating viruses. Millions of people are now able to operate their PCs on a highly-secure, virus-free basis. The fact they've had to install third party software to do so is neither here nor there...
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Re:Why
wishful thinking?
let's hope not.
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Re:Whats the real issue?I think it's amusing that you have to require rules and conditions for me to support my argument, Anonymous Coward, despite the fact that I made no such rules and conditions in the first place. The fact is, the market doesn't behave in a fashion that YOU get to decide, the market simply is what it is. There are hundreds of Linux distributions, Unix based OS's, Apple desktop and server software, Solaris renditions and so on. Whether some of these products are commercial or open source is irrelevant: Operating systems are operating systems regardless of price and distribution reach (or indeed marketing prowess).
You also seem to make the sophmoric mistake of attacking the wrong party. Is it Microsoft's fault (as if it could be a fault) that most people want Windows on their hardware and therefore most smart hardware manufacturers package their products with Windows? Doesn't the choice of what operating systems to preload on their hardware soley lie with the OEMs? Microsoft certainly isn't forcing anyone to buy their software...but intelligent hardware manufacturers that actually want to SELL their products realize that Windows is the most desireable OS in the consumer market--and obviously offer it. Walmart, despite being the largest, most expansive retailer in the world failed to sell a great deal of their Linspire boxes (even though they were priced very low)...why? Because most people want Windows. YOu might not like this fact, but it is a fact, and the business world wisely allows facts to determine what they market (for the most part).
You want me to name 3 OEM's or resellers that sell hardware without an OS? Why? It's certainly not Microsoft's fault that many OEM's install their OS on their systems...it's the market's fault. You see, the market (consumers that don't know how to build their own machines), WANT Windows and that's what they get. Those that don't want windows need only to use google to find these 3+ OEM's that you seek. I found 52 without even trying by the way: Linux harware vendors. Most of this hardware is offered with or without Linux. Newegg.com offers many "barebones" packages without an OS, and there are dozens of other online computer retailers that also sell barebones packages which anyone who is actively seeking can find. Nevertheless, the fact remains, it is up to most OEM's to maximize their market...and they successfully do this by offering Windows on their machines because that's what most people want.
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Re:Google Free Operating System is needed
Well, you can just go with Google's free operating system of choice...
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DOS/Windows to Linux
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Non-Dell Companies selling Linux (and No OS)
http://www.addonshop.com/
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
http://www.ibexpc.com/
http://www.linare.com/
http://www.linspire.com/
http://www.linuxcertified.com/
http://www.microtelpc.com/
http://www.outpost.com/
http://shoprcubed.com/
http://www.sub300.com/
http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm
http://www.walmart.com/
http://www.xandros.com/
http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html
http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed
http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html
http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information)
No OS
(Sabio made by Quanta, like Dell-latitudes)
http://www.avadirect.com/
http://www.asimobile.com/
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Open what?
Who says Open Source implies Open Mind? Thanks, Novell!
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You didn't actually read any of their whitepapersSo here you.
Singularity is a research project in Microsoft Research that started with the question: what would a software platform look like if it was designed from scratch with the primary goal of dependability? Singularity is working to answer this question by building on advances in programming languages and tools to develop a new system architecture and operating system (named Singularity), with the aim of producing a more robust and dependable software platform. Singularity demonstrates the practicality of new technologies and architectural decisions, which should lead to the construction of more robust and dependable systems.
Where have I hear that before?.
A key aspect of singularity is
... Software-Isolated Processes, which encapsulate pieces of an application ... and provide information hiding, failure isolation, and strong interfaces. All code outside the kernel executes in a SIP.That sounds alarmingly like a closed address space. Microsoft in 2005 is giving us what UNIX had over 30 years ago. thx u sir!
SIPs are closed object spaces, not address spaces
I stand corrected! What's the difference?
Two Singularity processes cannot simultaneously access an object.
Ruh ruh! So we're going back to the model where two processes can't open a handle to the same file? You mean
... like .. er... DOS?A process cannot dynamically open or generate code.
So like
... you can't run Perl on it. Or shared libraries. #include <dlfnc.h> is a thing of the past.SIPs are created and terminated by the operating system, so that
... resources can be reclaimed.Yeah uhhh... the runlib library for, say, C executables in UNIX does this. And has for a long time. Like, since Gerald Ford or something.
I'd go on but I'm just making fun of them. If you read through their overview document there's actually some very good ideas in there, and knowing a few programmers from W2K, I can tell you that they do employ some top-notch talent there.