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Really so what you're saying is that if Google builds the apps and distributes them, that's Okay but if Microsoft or any third party ISV builds an app using their public APIs and then distributes that is a blood-soaked hitchhiker?

Since Microsoft has been through the Anti-Trust wringer before, you can bet that this little problem will get all the attention they can dig out of it, in the press and with the DOJ lawyers and the FTC. If Google publishes an API and says "use it, it's open" and then somebody picks up that mantle and builds something using it only to have Google shut it down for fictitious reasons, then at that point you have to call bullshit on the whole openness agenda and "do no evil." When Apple pulled Google Maps out of IOS, Google cried foul because Apple has to approve all apps on their platform and yes, Apple's customers cried foul as well because the Apple Maps app sucked but it seems that Apple, Google and Microsoft are all in this little arms race of what they call "open" APIs and services but when somebody implements an API using them that happens to be another 800 lb gorilla you bet the games will start. Eventually if they don't play nice, it'll wind up in court with a long drawn out legal proceeding and while Google has dodged a few bullets of late, they won't dodge a bullet if MSFT comes back with documentation that Google is playing tricks to maintain a competitive advantage. After all, Google announced that they wouldn't be building apps for Windows Phone.

It seems that RIM has found the sweet spot in pricing. WIll they price the next PB there? If not, I would expect another sale.

Of course, RIM gives up 'non-entierprise' data (so far as we know) when governments demand it. BES is the target of many nations, and RIM may find itself forced to either give it up via some back door added in, or disclaim the data and let themselves be forced out of those nations - though I suspect a comprmise will be reached.

On the Android front, RIM is apparently developing tools to manage other platforms. I expect BES services to be delivered on those platforms in time, sooner rather than later, and BBX (is that it?) may become a bit player. Even a small share of the phone market is good money, and RIM may yet compete.

And any 'new Android player' isn't at all doomed to minimal share. RIM knows how to design devices people like to use. They do need to learn how to build those devices with the performance in demand now, and they may yet. But there are indeed a lot of players in the phone manufacturing business now. Room still.

There's a lot of denying the concept that RIM will bail on the PB and move on to a new tablet. I'm surprised so many people actually can't accept this. If the PB was a business device, they would probably support it longer, but as a consumer product it's going to last as long as they think their customers will expect it to. 2 years? No, more likely until the next generation of hardware entirely obsoletes it. A year tops, and probably less. When spares get scarce or more expensive to produce, game over. I'm wondering how many G1s HTC gets in for repair nowadays. It's been, what, a little over three years for that phone. Bet ya a small cup of coffee they didn't fix many at all this year. That's not to say there aren't a lot out there still, I have two and both work fine. But they aren't all that useful any more, since they are just so limited. PBs will survive an upgrade in software for a while but we are a year from OS versions that demand quad-core phones and 2GB or more base RAM, with display processors well past what's common now.

The market is on a fast cycle. Not much survives a whole year in the market - iPhones mostly, a 'special case'. My Sensation 4G I got in April, I think, and it's due to be replaced though HTC hasn't shown anything new to TMO so far as we can tell. Samsung is chewing through models pretty well.

And RIM is held to task for being slow to bring new models out. Churn, baby.

You WERE making a spurious claim ;)

Anyways:

"As for my opinion, what really matters in a discussion like this is how widespread it is. It doesn't take much observation to conclude that people tend to see the iPhone and iOS as outclassing Android. Even nerds don't generally try to claim otherwise. They tend to (reluctantly) cede this point and instead harp on about Android being "open" and how Apple is somehow going to find themselves repeating the Mac vs PC scenario (an assertion with extremely tenuous support)."

I'd love to know which nerds you talk to, perhaps we can see your sample data. Whilst the whole Mac vs PC argument is a silly one, you come across like a fanboy, simply because you make statements of iOS superiority with no backup in fact - that's what's getting a slightly hostile reception in this discussion. Sure, it's an opinion, and so your opinion can be as ungrounded in fact and reality as you want, but don't expect people to agree with it on that basis.

"And it's especially ironic given that Apple's supposedly inferior model has them being the most successful player in at least three different markets, using the exact opposite model to what you think is the best one."

I'd love to hear what these AT LEAST three markets are that Apple are apparently leading. Leading implies to me having the most market share - and the only one they have currently is tablets and possibly MP3 players, though I couldn't find any recent figures to verify this. They DON'T have the lead on smartphones, nor on PCs, or TV. I'm pretty sure that is the sum total of Apple's markets. Have I missed some?

Motorola just posted a $89 million loss for Q1. However, they sold a good bit of Xooms: 250,000 to be precise (recall that some estates predicted they would sell less than 15,000 of the devices). http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=14488

Truth hurts, eh Nokia fanboys?

I've owned Nokia phones. They were great in the 90s. Then they took forever to start shipping quad band handsets, and I switched to Sony Ericsson. Then they went through that period where most of their designs looked like they were put together by crack-smoking monkeys.

Then came Maemo. The N770 looked interesting. I saw them drop support for it and bring out the N800. I actually bought one of those, and they dropped support for it and brought out the N810. Then they dropped support for that and brought out the N900, with a smaller screen. Meanwhile, Maemo was GTK... then it was switching to Qt... and now it's dead, replaced by MeeGo. No doubt in another year they'll drop all support for fixes for the N900, and a year after MeeGo is released they'll drop it for something else, and all the while they'll be asking why developers aren't interested in their platform and users aren't interested in their phones.

And indeed, I looked again - see my other comment, showing as of the start of this year, Nokia at 38.6%, Apple at 1%, with a whole load of other companies in between, also far above Apple ( http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=6191 ).

So let's try your statement again:

"If the Iphone is so good, why are people buying 38x as many Nokia phones?"

Fixed that for you.

Nokia made their product off their tech. It's not as popular as the iPhone.

This, ladies and gentlemen, should be held up as a sad example of the effect of Apple-only coverage here on Slashdot for the mobile phone market. This poster actually believes that Apple have a bigger share of the market than Nokia. We are actually getting to the stage where, as a result, some geeks have less knowledge of the mobile phone market than lay people.

A quick Google shows some actual figures from 2009 - http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=6191 :

Nokia - 38.6%
Samsung - 16.2%
Motorola - 8.3%
LG - 8.3%
Sony Ericson - 8%
RIM - 1.9%
Apple - 1%

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the reality of the market (if you disagree, make sure you have a reference). You wouldn't know it from Slashdot (when was the last time we had a story about Samsung?)

And to counter the standard replies, please avoid:
* "I'm going to redefine the definition of the market so it includes Apple and some smaller players."
* "I'm going to redefine market share to mean something other than sales, e.g., to mean how much I and Slashdot talk about it."
* "I'm going to ignore your citation, and respond with anecdotal evidence of how I and my friends all seem to have Iphones, therefore it must be more popular, and I get modded up +5 insightful for it."

As for your comments about patents, agreed - now please go and say the same thing to Apple, who also use patents against other companies.

There are plenty of samples from the 5MP camera in the Motorola DEXT (CLIQ in the US) on the web:

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Page=5&Id=8032

It's slightly above average for a phone camera, about on par with the iPhone 3GS. Lack of variable focus and what seems like a lot of over-compression always makes phone cameras produce far lower quality shots than even a basic point-and-shoot model. It's a real shame as I would happily accept a thicker phone is the camera was even half as good as an already pretty thin proper digital camera.

My plan is to use it to take a few snapshots of places I have been tagged with GPS coordinates and then use my main 7MP Cannon for proper photos. Maybe one day I'll upgrade to a camera with GPS.

This thing? No, by full screen I mean there are no buttons so you get more screen real estate. What phone was doing this when the iPhone came out? Give them credit where it's due. Their design was innovative for the time.

there was a *much* older nokia phone with a slide that exposed a good size keyboard, a friend of mine used it quite a bit to keep an eye on a large serverfarm.

here is an image of what the phone looked like:

http://www.mobileburn.com/media/nokia/9300/9300_open-IMG_9425.jpg

also there is this old ./ thread:

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/08/0214240&tid=215

Motorola is selling a cellphone sporting E-Ink display - it's rather crude, as the display is not dot-matrix but a segmented display (not unlike LCDs) sporting some assorted graphical icons. The kicker is that the phone sells well under 50 bucks unlocked and it's 9mm thick. Apparently, the E-Ink display is way cheaper than LCD displays to mass produce, and, since it doesn't need glass nor polarizer substrates it allows the phone to be this thin.

As for the device itself, it's a nice barebones phone, which feels very study. The display looks great, and i only wish they used a finer dot matrix display, as SMSs can be rather hard to read on it. I've been considering getting one for myself lately.

It has a smaller screen, and what sounds like (to me) a more confusing UI that will really get fingerprints and palm prints on the device since you are always turning it over in your hands...

More fingerprints than, say, a device that relies entirely on touching the screen (iPhone)? I don't think so. Also, based on the information here, the buttons for the media side are touch=sensitive, and not the screen (I'm guessing there is an on/off switch for that side? shrug).

In any case, this seems far less confusing than having everything integrated together. You'll basically have one side dedicated to basic phone functions and the other dedicated to multimedia. Each UI would therefore be optimized for each of it's dedicated functions (i.e. numeric keypad is ideal for a phone, but not for an mp3 player). To me, this is a novel way of basically combining a phone and mp3 player into one device without sacrificing the simplicity of either (of course, I haven't used it, so maybe it's really has nightmare UI - this is just speculation).

I work at Nokia. The charger formats have been something I constantly complain about whenever I do user-level phone testing. I would really like to see a standard format, too. For the most part, I like the fact that our phones usually have one of three fairly standard connections (DC large, DC mini, USB). And before you get too touchy -- not all Nokia-branded phones are made by us, and the OEM phones don't use our standard connectors.

However, not too long ago we designed a low-end phone. It's shipping to many carriers around the world (under different names and plastics), and it was originally designed with the DC mini charger. The version of this phone that is being sold to Verizon was MANDATED to have the DC mini socket removed. Why? Well, I never got a sufficient answer when I asked that question, and believe me, I complained. I was told by someone (although I can't prove this) that Verizon is worried people would stick paper clips or something like them in the charger socket and short the phone, but I call b.s. on that. So instead of having a "standard" socket (by our standards at least), the phone uses the pop-port (Nokia proprietary) connector to charge.

So even if we have recommendations from industry or government, the carriers might end up sticking it to you anyways... I guarantee you they make a HUGE profit on accessories.. because I know how much everything is at cost.

Same phone, but different features:
http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/2366i/
http://mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=2235

http://www.mobileburn.com/gallery.jsp?Id=2607 has a (IMHO) better article.

Looks like under $50, and while you may not be able to buy it directly in the US, I've got to think they'll be available on ebay fairly soon. If it's a tri-band GSM, you will likely just be able to slap your SIM card in and go.

Personally, I can't wait to get one (and one for my dad)!

The pictures of this phone actually do it justice - it looks amazing in proportion to the hand. See for yourself. As someone who wants my phone to "just be a phone," I'll be buying one, without a doubt.

I believe that when Apple finally releases a 'iPhone' that there will be a revival of sales. A phone is a 'must-carry' device, while and iPod is very much optional. I currently have a 60gb video iPod that I never use. When I am running around, doing errands, I dont want to have a Batman-esque belt of devices (phone,iPod,camera). My current solution is a multimedia phone (the Nokia N73). It is about one generation away from being the ulitmate convergence device for me. I think if Apple rolled out their vision of a convergence device, it would take the market by storm, much as the original iPod did.

The Nokia N91 has been one of the most highly anticipated music phones. It was one of the phones touted to be an iPod killer, as it has a 4GB hard drive similar to the now defunct iPod Mini. After being delayed for some time now, the N91 is finally here, and Mobile Burn managed to get hold of one for a test drive. The Nokia N91 runs on Symbian OS v9.1 and, like the previously reviewed N71, it also features the much improved 3rd edition of the S60 user interface.

The Gnome-based Nokia 770 has everything you asked for but the phones: http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=1376

hmm, why do all WinCE phones have reset buttons but Symbian ones don't?

Well, based on this review of the Noka N90 (which uses Symbian OS) it sounds like it resets itself enough without a reset button ("The N90 would also reset itself about 70% of the time when I was using Voice Commands" and "and I encountered numerous resets when accessing certain functions").

In all seriousness though, Microsoft isn't perfect, but the alternatives aren't perfect either - claiming otherwise is just plain ignorance.

It seems that even the basic phones are starting to get all the fancy features now. Basic, meaning the low end phones that are usually "free" when you sign up for a 2 year contract with your wireless provider. Fancy, meaning a camera and/or color display and/or multimedia messaging.

So far, I've only seen three recent/upcoming cell phones that are essentially phones..

• Motorola W220. It has a similar form factor as the Motorola V3 RAZR, but it lacks the multi-functionality and hip styling of the V3. The only bells and whistles you get on the W220 is an FM radio. It's supposed to be released at the end of the year.
  
  
• FireFly. This is as simple as you get. But it's way too simple, and it's marketed towards kids. Only 20 numbers can be stored in the phonebook, a few built-in ringtones, and some parental control features. That's it. Even if you want a phone that is stripped down like this, I don't think you would want this particular phone, since it looks like a toy.
  
  
• Emporia EmporiaLife. This phone is marketed towards senior citizens. It has a large LCD display, large buttons, a simple phonebook, speakerphone, and it runs on AAA batteries too. This could be a good choice for people, other than seniors, who are looking for a simple phone. Not sure if this phone will hit markets outside of Europe. But the tech specs show quad-band operating frequencies, so it's possible.

I certainly hope mobile phone companies will continue to offer simple phones. Other than being overwhelmed by features, some people need a phone without a camera or data storage capabilities. Particularly those people who work at companies that forbid such devices for security reasons.

I have a similar problem at some customers where they have sensitive material kicking around and I'm quite interested in the new Sony Ericsson business phone, the M600. Looks like a model in between the K750 (which I currently have and like) and the full blown P910 which I just find a bit too bulky. Just waiting for them to be released!

I'm really chuffed with my SLVR. It is fairly basic in functionality (which I like) but most importantly it's beautifully slim and a more mature phone. To me, far too many phones are becoming like the Wasp T12 Special, appealing to younger generations who like to impress each other with the sheer volume of gadgets/crap on their handsets. Who really needs a program to compose" 'music' on their phones?

To me, less is more. I do like a handset to have a smart appearance, however, and the C116 just doesn't do it for me...

Agreed... actually, I don't think they have a single artist amongst them. I have the E398 and while by and large I'm happy with it, especially after downloading tools to allow me to unload and upload anything I want onto it (including removing the ridiculously crap games that came with it and put on some proper ones)... its interface is indeed horrible.

I don't think artists had anything to do with it... Sony Ericson, now they have interfaces that are attractive, obvious and easy to use... this thing has one of the most ugly, slow and counter productive interfaces I've come across in a phone.

Yes it has a lot of features, and at a price that was supurb when I got it, but man... next time I think I'm heading over to the SE side!

Despite to the raves I read here on slashdot, the ipod was a HUGE disappointment for me - I guess I'm not the target audience. I'm more concerned about sound quality and features than the fancy click-wheel. Give me something that I can figure out easily (the W800 works while the phone is switched off, providing 30h long playback. The ipod mini's battery life sucked big time as well), is small, has at least 2Gb space, and doesn't need a separate program just to copy files to it. W800 provides me with that - and much much more (actually, the camera is pretty good as well). Yeah, I'm absolutely anti-ipod. So my advice is: don't buy an ipod. Buy something much much better for the same money. If you don't need a new phone, buy a player that supports ogg and flac (not just crappy mp3s - without gapless playback support! and AACs). The ipod is overrated.

Despite to the raves I read here on slashdot, the ipod was a HUGE disappointment for me - I guess I'm not the target audience. I'm more concerned about sound quality and features than the fancy click-wheel. Give me something that I can figure out easily (the W800 works while the phone is switched off, providing 30h long playback. The ipod mini's battery life sucked big time as well), is small, has at least 2Gb space, and doesn't need a separate program just to copy files to it. W800 provides me with that - and much much more (actually, the camera is pretty good as well). Yeah, I'm absolutely anti-ipod. So my advice is: don't buy an ipod. Buy something much much better for the same money. If you don't need a new phone, buy a player that supports ogg and flac (not just crappy mp3s - without gapless playback support! and AACs). The ipod is overrated.

Personally I use the phone on my PDA mostly for capturing text, so I do wish they had more shots of that.

The review really doesn't tell you anything... try this http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=1689 for a decent review, with real pics of the phone and interface, as well as sample shots from the camera.

Firefly Review - it's a "kid's phone". It has an address book, a "fireworks" button, a 911 button and that's about it. No dial pad even! how's that for minimalist!?

yes, but they sold me the phone and they were the ones who told me those specs, so I expect them to stand behind them.

They just repeat what they were told. Wireless carriers don't actually test phone for themselves, so they have no numbers to use other than what the manufacturer says. Quoting lower numbers would anger the phone vendors.

Before buying a phone, I would check it out on an actual review site like MobileBurn where they actaully use the phone for a while and tell you how often charging was required, if the phone met talk time specs, ect.

Pardon me if this sounds cynical but expecting a service company to stand behind the specifications of hardware they are selling outright to you and have no control over is not something I would ever expect. They aren't interested in taking responsibility for anything they don't have to.

6310i

I've got one.

Recommend it.

Better reception than anything else I've seen, battery lasts around a week between charges.

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Or an extrapolation of this I saw on MobileBurn where tilting the phone causes the phone to scroll as if you were looking at a mirror. The movements involved are slight and as intuitive as using a hand held mirror . Excellent for reading lengthy text messages.

A full review of the phone used in the demo is at http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=903. Stereo and much other good stuff. Imagine it white instead of black, and major Apple help with the UI, and you might have something very, very nice.

Nothing to see here, Samsung already has a 5-megapixel digital camera available.

And it has a sliding cover ala the Matrix phone to boot.

Emacs jokes aside, what would be really nice is to have some scripting language backing these phones so I could have the phone be a little smarter about fr'instance when to interrupt me.

Future S60 phones might ship with Python out-of-the-box; Now it's still in beta phase.

See, the Symbian world isn't as closed as some people think. It's also not as open as some people (managers) think, but that's a different story...

I'm not sure I got that "bar of soap" idea right, but maybe you're talking about the Motorola A1000?

Has 42 mb built in memory, VGA cam that can also do 80 mins of video in .3gp format, built in pop3 & imap client, 176x220 tft (very nice & bright) display capable of 65536 colors, all the latest java features (midp 2.0, raw sockets), mp3-player (though 42mb isn't a lot of space for storing mp3's), gprs, bluetooth etc etc. It does all this nokia phone does, and is twice as fast and 10x sexier. (I just bought it a week ago, I love it).

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Trust me, it's the k700i you really want... :)

It does when one of those choices is the 6255. To quote the meat of the link

Nokia released its most advanced CDMA handset, the 6255, at the recent CTIA show in Atlanta. Unusually for Nokia, the 6255 is a clamshell phone and introduces many features previously unseen in any of their phones. Dual color screens, MMC memory card support, a camera with flash and digital zoom, video player, streaming media capability, an MP3/AAC player and FM radio are among the features that make the 6255 one of the most powerful clamshells on the market.

Unfortunately for Nokia, a large flood of choices might not help them. They really need to drive the next innovation. Being so late to the flip phone party as well as supporting crappy components even on their high end, has burned them badly. They needed flip with mega pixel on the market 6 months ago. Unfortunately the phone linked above isn't slated to come out until the end of this year (according to the link), and it isn't even mega-pixel. I think this one model will do quite a bit of good (above is the CDMA model, but I believe theres a GSM version as well). OTOH, flip isn't everything. Its been a hole in their product lineup, but that doesn't mean every phone they release from now on should be a flip. Nokia's got pretty deep pockets, and plenty of innovative ideas. I'm sure they'll weather this little storm.

Personally I think the a1000 and the e1000 from Motorola appear to be better phones. "...full HTML browsing with Opera. It also boasts an impressive array of multimedia functions, including an integrated 1.2 mega pixel camera (with 4x zoom), video and audio streaming, capture and playback with MPEG4 and MP3 files, and dual-audio speakers." The e1000 contains slightly less wizbang features but includes AGPS.

Personally I think the a1000 and the e1000 from Motorola appear to be better phones. "...full HTML browsing with Opera. It also boasts an impressive array of multimedia functions, including an integrated 1.2 mega pixel camera (with 4x zoom), video and audio streaming, capture and playback with MPEG4 and MP3 files, and dual-audio speakers." The e1000 contains slightly less wizbang features but includes AGPS.

... sure, we do it this way, but Nokia targets it's phones to everyone,
including for an important part (and this is not meant discriminative, nor stereo-typing) women .
And they happen to fancy phones that look nice, rather than those with pure functionality.

As research shows that more women own mobile phones than men,
you better be giving that group the advantage.

It'll probably be a temporary thing though.
Once every phone is fashioned with a touchscreen like the SE-P900, you can make your own key-layout :)

It would be awesome to be able to use your bluetooth enabled phone as a display device for something like this. Mobileburn.com saw an under the collar bluetooth headset that I could see as a nice form factor for a computing device. Check out the pictures here

Yes, and it runs Trolltech's Qt Embedded http://www.mobileburn.com/gallery.jsp?Id=532

I go past a store every day that sell this phone, I have played with it a bit and the 384kbps video stream / internet connection really makes it a fun plaything. But since the mobile phone company we use at work does not support this standard yet, I guess I will have to do without. There's no way I pay the price for that bandwidth myself. On the other hand, the geek in me would love to have what compares to a slow ADSL, only mobile.

Funny, I've just been looking for a replacement for my T39m... let's see what this discussion can bring up. Here's some highlights of my "research" to date.

If you're on a budget, look at the T68i and the Nokia N-Gage. I think they are listed at around EUR 250.

• The T68i has a rock-steady Bluetooth implementation. It's what other phones are compared to. I've heard a lot of positive things about this phone, but on the other hand it's getting older (and cheaper!) all the time. If you feel you can survive with the limited (?) feature set, the T68i provides a lot of bang for the buck.
• The nGage is interesting mostly because it's the cheapest Symbian-enabled phone on the market and it's got built-in audio capabilities (FM radio, MP3 playback) and official iSync support. You don't have to be a gaming addict to use it. It'll have that coolness factor for a year or so, and then it'll be very uncool for two years more until it breaks... You'll need to buy a SD-card reader because beaming dozens of MP3 files over Bluetooth is a pain.

If money isn't an issue, the T630, the Z600 or the Nokia 6600 will fit your requirements. These are listed at around EUR 600.

• The T630 and Z600 are supposed to fix the shortcomings in the T610 (washed-out screen, bad antenna, loudspeaker not loud enough etc etc). They've just been released and are currently expensive, possibly getting a price reduction in early 2004. I would say that these phones are the logical upgrade path for T39m and T68i owners. There's a very positive Z600 review over at Mobileburn.
• The Nokia 6600 is a fairly good phone. We have three at my workplace. If you're fed up with the oh-so-limited 7650, or the round-keyboard 3650, or the GPRS-disabled 9210, this is probably the phone for you. Third-party software is abundant. Getting the 6600 to work with iSync currently requires some h4x0ring, but no doubt it'll be officially supported with OS X 10.3.2

Current mobile phones are built for a three-year life span. They are not supposed to last much longer than that. Regardless of what you buy today, it's 50-50 that you're going Christmas shopping for a new phone again in 2006.

It could be a good idea to stick with your current brand, unless you're deeply unsatisfied with the menu layout or the physical quality or something. I've been using Ericssons for a while and have difficulties adapting to Nokia's Symbian UI: the N-Gage is compelling but the UI kind of rules it out.

--Bud

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here's all the specs

They're talking about a *Japanese* 3G phone, so different wireless standards to anything the US uses.

However, I can imagine the Motorola Linux phones might be of interest when they ship one with a US "standard".

...did you even click the link, or did you just look sternly at it and decide to make an angry post?

Mobile Burn is a site that reviews cell phones and accessories.

Auracomm is the company that makes the product in question.

An idiot is a person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years unable to learn connected speech, such as the nice , pretty complete sentences used in the news item above.

Go away now.

I had a Motorola Accompli 008 (I needed a calendar) which can be described as an older version of this phone I believe and it sounds like this phone have some of the same flaws according to a small "review" I found here.

Basically, the interface on the Accompli 008 sucked. It has got to be pretty easy to use or I'll simply not use it. I ended up only using it as a phone and it wasn't very hand in that regard. This smartphone sounds like it's become a bit better, but not that much. Today I have a SE P800 and I actually use its PDA features, mainly the calendar though.

good A760 info