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"Kid, you have no idea what you're talking about... You are strongly misinformed on several points. I can't be bothered to respond to you, (i.e. feed the troll) because I don't think it would be worth my time. You're obsessed, and not interested in rational discussion - by metrix007 (200091) on Monday December 06, @07:03AM (#34458496)

Ok, you FINALLY came back in, & NO: I am TRULY interested in "rational discussion", not avoiding it (as you obviously are with your 2 trollish replies here in this thread), so with that said? Disprove each of these 15 points on HOSTS files then:

15++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:

1.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1 browser family (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc.).

2.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via PINGS &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

7.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

GOOD INFORMATION ON MALWARE BEHAVIOR LISTING BOTNET C&C SERVERS + MORE (AS WELL AS REMOVAL LISTS FOR HOSTS):

http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blog.fireeye.com/
http://mtc.sri.com/
http://news.netcraft.com/
http://www.shadowserver.org/

REGULARLY UPDATED HOSTS FILES SITES (reputable/reliable sources):

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/downloads/
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
https://zeustracker.ab

Thanks for supplying the bogus domains information. I checked on yourisp.ru, and sure enough - a known bogus malware domain/host name. It's blocked out here now, alongside payment8ltd.net, & how? Here is HOW & WHY:

15++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:

1.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1 browser family (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc.).

2.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via PINGS &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

7.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

GOOD INFORMATION ON MALWARE BEHAVIOR LISTING BOTNET C&C SERVERS + MORE (AS WELL AS REMOVAL LISTS FOR HOSTS):

http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blog.fireeye.com/
http://mtc.sri.com/
http://news.netcraft.com/
http://www.shadowserver.org/

REGULARLY UPDATED HOSTS FILES SITES (reputable/reliable sources):

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/downloads/
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
https://zeustracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php?filter=online
Spybot "Search & Destroy" IMMUNIZE feature (fortifies HOSTS files with KNOWN bad servers blocked)

8.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding your favs into a HOSTS file, FAR faster than DNS servers can by FAR (by saving the roundtrip inquiry time to a DNS server & back to you).

9.) AdBlock & DNS servers are program

What blocks off known bogus sites/servers or entire hostnames/domains better than anything (because it's not a program, and because it's just a filter that operates @ the IP Stack level, and covers ALL your webbound programs, plus mine at least gets updated from reputable & reliable sources, daily): a custom HOSTS file.

You've also already got one, whether you all know it or not, & it's just a matter of either downloading a prebuilt on (sources are below), or filling one in yourself, and yes, they work even vs. spam mail (& better than adblock does, because that only covers browsers it's designed for (maybe 1-3 of them), but not external HTML + script based external email programs, like Outlook Express/FULL Outlook)).

15++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK:

1.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1 browser family (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF...).

2.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via PINGS &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

7.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

GOOD INFORMATION ON MALWARE BEHAVIOR LISTING BOTNET C&C SERVERS + MORE (AS WELL AS REMOVAL LISTS FOR HOSTS):

http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blog.fireeye.com/
http://mtc.sri.com/
http://news.netcraft.com/
http://www.shadowserver.org/

REGULARLY UPDATED HOSTS FILES SITES (reputable/reliable sources):

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/downloads/
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
https://zeustracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php?filter=online
Spyb

15++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK:

1.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1 browser family (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF...).

2.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via PINGS &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

7.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

GOOD INFORMATION ON MALWARE BEHAVIOR LISTING BOTNET C&C SERVERS + MORE (AS WELL AS REMOVAL LISTS FOR HOSTS):

http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blog.fireeye.com/
http://mtc.sri.com/
http://news.netcraft.com/
http://www.shadowserver.org/

REGULARLY UPDATED HOSTS FILES SITES (reputable/reliable sources):

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm [mvps.org]
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ [someonewhocares.org]
http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html [hostsfile.org]
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/downloads/ [hostsfile.mine.nu]
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
https://zeustracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php?filter=online
Spybot "Search & Destroy" IMMUNIZE feature (fortifies HOSTS files with KNOWN bad servers blocked)

8.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding your favs into a HOSTS file, FAR faster than DNS servers can by FAR (by saving the roundtrip inquiry time to a DNS server & back to you).

9.) AdBlock & DNS servers are programs, and subject to bugs programs can get. Hosts files are merely a filter and not a program, thus not subject to bugs of the nature just discussed.

10.) Hosts files don't eat up CPU cycles like AdBlock does while it parses a webpages' content, nor as much as a DNS server does while it runs.

11.) HOSTS files are E

"Anyone can set up a DNS server and serve names, and anyone else pointing at that DNS server can resolve them. There has always been some competition to the mainstream DNS and I think this move will bring more." - by Greyfox (87712) on Wednesday December 01, @09:01AM (#34403468) Homepage

Some more notes on DNS servers & their problems, very recent + ongoing ones:

BIND vs. what the Chinese are doing to DNS lately? See here:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

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SECUNIA HIT BY DNS REDIRECTION HACK THIS WEEK:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/26/secunia_back_from_dns_hack/

(Yes, even "security pros" are helpless vs. DNS problems, & they can only try to "set the DNS record straight" & then, they still have to wait for corrected DNS info. to propogate across all subordinate DNS servers too - lagtime in which folks DO get "abused" in mind you!)

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DNS vs. the "Kaminsky DNS flaw", here (and even MORE problems in DNS than just that):

http://www.scmagazineus.com/new-bind-9-dns-flaw-is-worse-than-kaminskys/article/140872/

(Seems others are saying that some NEW "Bind9 flaw" is worse than the Kaminsky flaw ALONE, up there, mind you... probably corrected (hopefully), but it shows yet again, DNS hassles being exploited!)

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Moxie Marlinspike's found others (0 hack) as well...

Nope... "layered security" truly IS the "way to go" - hacker/cracker types know it, & they do NOT want the rest of us knowing it too!...

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SO, WHAT CAN A HOSTS FILE DO VS. THOSE PROBLEMS ABOVE? PROTECT YOU! Read on...

14 ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK:

1.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1 browser family (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF...).

2.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via PINGS &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

7.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

"Or better yet, WTF are host files? Non-techs can sort of understand ABP, as it is an add-on that stops bad or all ads. Host files, no way an average computer user would understand them or utilize them." - by stonewallred (1465497) on Wednesday December 01, @10:40AM (#34404550)

Take a GOOD solid read (and if still in doubt? Refer to this mvps.org link -> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm (it has a great writeup that's EASILY UNDERSTOOD & very detailed, on HOSTS)) - this will show you how/why HOSTS files are superior to AdBlock or even DNS servers on MANY accounts (and why you ought to use them in combination for the "best in 'layered security'" practices online!

14 ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK:

1.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1 browser family (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF...).

2.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via PINGS &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

7.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

GOOD INFORMATION ON MALWARE BEHAVIOR LISTING BOTNET C&C SERVERS + MORE (AS WELL AS REMOVAL LISTS FOR HOSTS):

http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blog.fireeye.com/
http://mtc.sri.com/
http://news.netcraft.com/
http://www.shadowserver.org/
http://www.stopbadware.org/home

REGULARLY UPDATED HOSTS FILES SITES (reputable/reliable sources):

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm [mvps.org]
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ [someonewhocares.org]
http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html [hostsfile.org]
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/downloads/ [hostsfile.mine.nu]

1.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1 browser family (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF...).

2.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).

4.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via PINGS &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

5.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/1755230/Chinese-DNS-Tampering-a-Real-Threat-To-Outsiders

6.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/
https://zeustracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php?filter=online
http://www.malware.com.br/lists.shtml
http://www.stopbadware.org/
http://blog.fireeye.com/
http://mtc.sri.com/
http://news.netcraft.com/
http://www.shadowserver.org/
http://www.mvps.org/
http://someonewhocares.org/
http://hostsfile.mine.nu/hosts0
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
http://www.stopbadware.org/home

7.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding your favs into a HOSTS file, FAR faster than DNS servers can by FAR (by saving the roundtrip inquiry time to a DNS server & back to you).

8.) AdBlock is a program, and subject to bugs programs can get. Hosts files are merely a filter and not a program, thus not subject to bugs of the nature just discussed.

9.) Hosts files don't eat up CPU cycles like AdBlock does while it parses a webpages' content.

10.) HOSTS files are EASILY user controlled, obtained (for reliable ones -> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm ) & edited too, via texteditors like Windows notepad.exe or Linux nano (etc.)

11.) You don't have the sourcecode to Adblock. With hosts you don't even need source to control it (edit, update, delete, insert of new entries via a text editor).

12.) Hosts files are easily secured via using MAC/ACL &/or Read-Only attributes applied.

13.) AND, LASTLY? SINCE MALWARE GENERALLY HAS TO OPERATE ON WHAT YOU YOURSELF

status of comcast ip6 http://www.comcast6.net/ at&t - lagging http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102710-att-ipv6.html

If Kernell downloaded all of her email, then why don't we just go read the email about taxes and the Governor of CA? Oh, right. Because you're wrong, Kernell only screenshotted a few emails and grabbed a page of subjects, and that's it.

It was posted to wikileaks. And yes, that's all that was there at the time. And no, Kernell didn't have to download all the email, he posted the new password online and allowed others to have access to the site.

And if all this information is still widely available, as you say...then did Kernell actually destroy evidence? He only deleted his copy.

Are you really that stupid? Yes Kernel actually did delete evidence. What do you think the purpose of wiping his hard drive was for? And no, the emails weren't the only evidence, cookies and other traces of his activities were on the computer too. And in this case, the evidence was if the person obtained unlawful access to a computer account- not if Palin used personal email for government work.

If you can't keep someone as fundamental- yet as simple- as that together, you probably have absolutely no right talking about the subject.

mmmm...salty. I use my phone to handle both my personal email account and my business account, without any issues at all.

Well, good for you. And if everone in this world was just like you, we wouldn't have any war, automobile accidents, or anything wrong in the world too. The simple reality is that not everyone is like you so stop pretending they are.

And when I log into my Outlook at work, I see my work emails. And when I log into my personal email account, I see my personal emails. Usually, when people log into their email applications, they're doing so in order to look at their email.And if that was the only way to set up a mail client, I would be with you. But it's not the only way so don't pretend it is. You can set both emails to be checked at the same time so neither account needs to be logged out of. Stop thinking everything is how you have your shit set up. It may be a better set up, but as we discussed earlier, not everyone is you.

And let me guess, Outlook was being used for both personal and government emails, huh? (not that you would know, but you will certainly try to use that as a defense). Does Outlook also suffer from this "hiding the address" that her Blackberry does?

Dude, what are you? Some idiot that has never set up an email account before? Yes outlook can be set up to use nicknames instead of the email addresses. In fact, it's the typical default. And yes, it's a feature, not something anything suffers from. You need to get out of your moms basement a little more if your going to talk about shit that's pretty common knowledge on a geek site.

You want to tell me that she had no idea a work email went through her Yahoo? Gimme a break. it might have been an innocent mistake to start, but you know she would have seen it sooner or later. She just didn't care. It was just a stupid sunshine law and she thought she was above abiding by it because it was just so troublesome to do things according to the law.

SO what if it was? The law has absolutely no penalty for it even if it happened only the way you set out and prescribe. So what? The only thing that can be done as a penalty is for any legislation talked about in it to be over turned. But then again, they can just reenact it at any time. So fucking what? I mean you are acting like this is the coming of the four horses of the Apocalypse and the end of the world is near. It's not, and the work emails that did get mixed up was barely worked related.

Regarding "about 15 messages", I would be surprised if she can go all that time sending more than 15 personal emails after each work email

http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/09/AR2008090903044.html

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/32838

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/sarah-palins-yahoo-e-mail_b_127177.html

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=sarah+palin+emails+government+business&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Yeah, both articles linked say basically exactly the same thing and the second one does not point to anything new that was said by scientists that the Obama administration is muzzling scientists. Read the second article linked: all it basically says is that an article was misrepresented by moving paragraphs around. Sound familiar? That is because it was the same sort of stuff from the first linked article. I agree with the parent. Anybody got a diff? Also the slashdot story from a couple of days ago is light on details too: The summary says that Obama says that offshoring fears are unwarranted has NO quotes or mention from the President that he actually said this. I guess it is obvious. No quotation at all. Here is TA. Some actual meat to the articles would be warranted with actual analysis of what is going on would be appreciated.

Wow, nice to know there are still some real greybeards here! I started with Windows 2.0, my dad bought one of the early Compaq IBM clones for his business and the software bundle it came with had Windows 2.0 While it was fun to play with, and of course my dad liked the games to kill time when he was waiting on someone at the office, for actual work it was just easier to run DOS.

Back then ALL the programs were DOS and the machines were pretty sad horsepower wise compared to now so having Windows sucking precious resources was a problem then. Funny that I type that from my "old" nettop box which is an 1800MHz Sempron with 1.5GB of RAM, as back then we'd never dream of anything THAT powerful, much less the quad with 8GB I use for gaming.

For those that would like a little trip down memory lane (and if you aren't old enough to remember at least most of these please see the "Get off my lawn!" meme) click here for a nice little "History of Windows" slideshow. One omission pisses me off though: no WinNT 4. How they could leave that one off I'll never know, as good old NT 4 was THE business OS for ages, even longer in the embedded market. It really was a solid business OS and along with good old Win2K (which if you use it this month you can get all the updates for Win2K in a single package using WSUS Offline which lets you grab ALL the x86 AND x64 updates for 2K-W7 and burn them to DVD or install on a flash) will be the Windows OSes I'll miss the most.

Better yet, post the link to the “printable” version.

that was supposed to be only for the testing group

problem is it never ended

http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/why-ipv6-vint-cerf-keeps-blaming-himself

some wanted a 128bit others a 32bit..

and real life examples: http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2002/01467137.html (yeah it's old; probably easier to get caught now since there is history...)

I would of thought .gov would be the safest domain.

Not so much.

California local government sites were regular victims (I ran into this one). I suspect the brief deletion of ca.gov was frustration and not so inadvertent.

Anyone got links to confirm / disprove this theory?

Short version: Cox was just wrong. Cisco wasn't shipping big IPv6 routers in 2004 (although they were shipping other IPv6 hardware and software), but it wasn't because of patents. It was because there was no demand from the telecommunications companies, who knew they had several years before IPv4 ran out. Furthermore, Cisco's current largest routers (the carrier grade CRS series) support IPv6 (example), yet 20 years from the publication of the main IPv6 RFC is December 2018. So Cox's theory is plainly invalidated.

Long version: The closest anything has come to a patent scare is Microsoft's 6,101,499 patent, but "After extensive review by our technical experts, Microsoft does not believe that the 499 patent includes any claims which cover RFC 2462 or RFC 2464 [i.e., IPv6]." (source). So Microsoft, about as big a software player as there is, went out of its way to clear a patent that a third party (PUBPAT) had identified as potentially related to IPv6.

Furthermore, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sun/Oracle, and VMware all ship IPv6-compatible software. Lots of home routers, including Apple's, also support it. Cisco has supported it in IOS since 2001. IBM has supported it in z/OS since 2002.

Since major companies have been shipping hardware and software that implements IPv6 for years with nary a peep from anybody, laches becomes a serious issue for any potential plaintiff. Of course, all of these large companies have legal departments that have analyzed IPv6 for patent issues, as have groups like PUBPAT. It seems unlikely that they would all miss a problematic patent of any significance.

No, the hold up seems to be entirely on the infrastructural side, which is much more a problem of cost than capability. The routers and switches that make up the Internet infrastructure are extremely expensive (tens of thousands to millions). Here's one example. ISPs and long-haul fiber operators aren't going to spend untold millions of dollars on upgrading their equipment and training their staff while the old stuff still works fine and they're still making money off of it.

We hear plenty of people acting as if we can duct tape IPv4 for ever and plug their ears at the shear mention of IPv6. The truth is instead of spending energy trying to hold afloat a sinking ship, it may be time to start putting the gang-plank out to that shiny new boat that can take us the rest of the way. It doesn't make sense to wait for the boat to be sunk before jumping ship, since you will find yourself having deal with bigger issues. Then again overpopulation and lack of natural resources may have started world war three in a few years, so none of this is worth worrying about ;)

For those of you that have already decided that its time to make the move, what steps have you put in place to ensure you get to IPv6 in one piece.

BTW Akamai is already working on upgrading its network to support IPv6 and have a target date of 2011. The admit that its going to be a tough challenge, but at least they have recognised it makes sense to start moving now, rather than later.

'In the next couple of years' is a pretty good prediction:

http://www.ipv4depletion.com/?page_id=147

Most companies and providers are not realising it:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092010-companies-starting-to-get-ipv6.html

Network World
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Philadelphia Inquirer
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Skunkpost? WTF is that?

There is an Open Source alternative to Microsoft's proprietary system, called PacketFence.

Systems not running a M$ OS will be fine as long as there is either an exception established, or a NAP agent Installed: Microsoft has promised to make the technology available so people can develop NAP agents for Linux and MacOS.

UNETsystem announced NAP compatible versions of their AnyClick product for Linux and Macintosh OS X operating systems.

I don't think this is really intended to lock other OSes out, although it may make things more expensive, be a slight annoyance, and more annoying (with no real benefit for these other OSes), if you have to buy some proprietary product for them.....

And it can also be a unique problem for the likes of Knoppix... won't fit well into a NAP scheme. Thus forcing Linux on the network to have some of Windows' inflexibilities, unless you set aside special IP address ranges for Linux boxes and exclude them from the NAP scheme.

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"Slip through the cracks?"

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/081910-app-store-director-sells-his.html

That's a nice way of phrasing it.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092010-yahoo-opens-chicken-coop-green.html although the original link does a great job of showcasing local boosterism in a rust belt town feverishly hopeful for a better future ('Yay! 100 jobs! Some interest! The town is saved, paw'!), this link actually has details more likely to be of interest to a slashdot reader. The long and narrow design placed in consideration of prevailing winds seems clever, sure, but I don't get the big deal over it. Maybe using common sense really is so rare as to be considered innovative.

Oops. Yeah that was the Android one.

First MS hints that Linux infringes on patents.. Then it says it loves Open Source. Now it levels a thinly veiled patent threat against open source Android. Translation: MS loves open source as long as it doesn't compete with them. All we are missing is the horse's head.

Cannot figure out how to edit my already submitted comment. doh.

AT&T to pay $8.2 million in E-Rate settlement
AT&T Technical Services engaged in non-competitive bidding practices, the Justice Department alleges
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/021709-att-e-rate.html

I know the article is supposed to about our rights being taken away while goverment hands out rights to corporations...sickening.

Side note:
AT&T, fraud?, doesnt want anyone to know about it? that couldnt possibly be happening. oh wait a moment, this has been going on for a while and AT&T has already basically admitted guilt?
networkworld.com

I am hoping the next news article about AT&T that comes out, is about executives going to jail and donating their golden parachutes to the schools... will that actually happen? 8ball says: My sources say no

Carrier support comes first. Making AT&T, Verizon do it will force phone/OS manufacturers (Apple, Google, etc.) to implement it on their OSes. It won't work the other way around. In either case, apparently Verizon is requiring IPv6 for LTE devices.

It's amazing that drone hardware is fairly well designed, but its software design and implementation is so slapdash. Just last year, it was revealed that the Drones broadcasted its video feed in unencrypted form and was being used by militants to spy on us.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/121709-drone-intercept-encryption.html

It didn't take very long after their recent proclamation

Who do you think created the reports that supported Madoff's claims? There's a big difference between mining financial data and and fabricating results that are consistent enough with the markets to avoid detection. http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031810-two-madoff-computer-admins.html

Windows Tax ?

I've always suspected it's pretty close to $0 or maybe even a subsidy?

All that preinstalled crapware is there by money paid to the manufacturers.
Numbers paid for Windows range from $29 back in Win95 days to estimates of $80 or more now. Heck.. MS may even refund you $105rather than tell you how much the manufacturer paid.

So even if Windows ends up adding $15 to the cost you get media licenses and can include it in a resale. Get the rebate and you come out ahead!

ah yes, and hyper v was contributed why again? let's not act like it was out of the goodness of their hearts. It was contributed because it violated the GPL license.

It should be noted on this actually, that this speaks volumes about the politeness of open source developers, because they absolutely could have pushed for a lot more to resolve the violation.

Booyakasha! That's the Law Of Karma for you, in form of a Crazed, Drunken Gunman/Sysadmin. Didn't they learn from the case of State Of California trying to get passwords from a Lonely Sysadmin, Terry Childs ? Sysadmins Are Crazy! They have to be, to make sense out of all that Chaos! Don't mess with them or be prepared to take the occasional bullet in your servers! ;) Anyway, a Loan Company probably deserved this after what they have done to drive people into economical crisises.

Relating to Terry Childs, http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/042710-admin-who-kept-sf-network.html:

"One of the reasons it was so expensive for the City to recover control of its network is because Childs had set routers to store configuration information in memory instead of on their hard drives, so any disruption of power would have wiped out this information. This made it very difficult for the city to reset the routers and recover administrative control of the network without reconfiguring the entire system." San Francisco spent about US$900,000 cleaning up the mess caused by Childs' actions, according to Assistant District Attorney Conrad Del Rosario."

Im Lak'Ech Sakari, A Proud Sysadmin

Comcast is well past the "limited trial" phase. They are doing limited trials for their users, but they have been deploying it for their management of the cable modems and their backbone for years.

of course, after posting I read http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/042910-terry-childs-juror-explains-why.html [networkworld.com] for the details, and maybe my thinking has changed somewhat, BUT, not as to the employer being ultimately prepared with proper polices and procedures. more coffee!

Mr. Childs DID have a peer (or more realistically a better) on his jury. One of the jurors has a CCIE and works in network. See http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/042910-terry-childs-juror-explains-why.html for the details. Also remember that it takes only one juror for a mistrial. All jurors have to agree for a conviction.

The problem is that he flat out broke the law, and it was pretty obvious he knew he was doing wrong, he just thought they couldn't touch him. He had become infected with the sysadmin diesase of thinking that he owned the systems and could do as he pleased, and that he could make himself indispensable.

So sorry, but don't try and pass this off as "stupid jurors." The man had someone with the peak of network training sitting on his jury.

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/57070
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Cisco backdoor still open
IBM researcher at Black Hat says opening for Feds exposes us
By Cisco Subnet on Wed, 02/03/10 - 5:33pm.

The "backdoors" that Cisco and other networking companies implement in their routers and switches for lawful intercept are front and center again at this week's Black Hat security conference. A few years ago, they were cause celebre in some VoIP wiretapping arguments and court rulings.

This time, an IBM researcher told Black Hat conference attendees that these openings can still expose information about us to hackers and allow them to "watch" our Internet activity. Backdoors are implemented in routers and switches so law enforcement officials can track the Internet communications and activity of an individual or individuals under surveillance. They are required by law to be incorporated in devices manufactured by networking companies and sold to ISPs.

In this report from Forbes, IBM Internet Security Systems researcher Tom Cross demonstrated how easily the backdoor in Cisco IOS can be exploited by hackers. When they gain access to a Cisco router, they are not blocked after multiple failed access attempts nor is an alert sent to an administrator. Any data collected through the backdoor can be sent to anywhere -- not just merely to an authorized user, Forbes reports.

What's more, an ISP is not able to perform an audit trail on whoever tried to gain access to a router through the backdoor - that nuance was intended to keep ISP employees from detecting the intercept and inadvertently tipping off the individual under surveillance. But according to IBM's Cross, any authorized employee can use it for unauthorized surveillance of users and those privacy violations cannot be tracked by the ISP.

Cisco said it is aware of Cross's assertions and is taking them under consideration. To Cisco's credit, it is the only networking company that makes its lawful intercept architecture public, according to the recommendations of the IETF, the Forbes story states. Other companies do not, which means they may be susceptible to the same security flaws, or worse.
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Elsewhere in Torland...

"Just use Tor!" cried Frodo.
"It's no use" hummed Gandalf as he presented Frodo with a scroll.
"ExcludeNodes has been ruined, OH NO!" Frodo frowned and moaned.
"It's true" Gandalf declared, waving his long pipe,
"You can't put on Tor anymore without this corruption."
"But, the Torwraiths didn't..."
"No, no, of course not. Or are you saying it could've been..."
"An inside job?"
Gandalf took a long draw from his pipe before finishing,
"Stranger things have happened."
Frodo and Gandalf both stared at each other in silence before exchanging
long and heavy laughs.
Outside the window, the bushes stirred.
Gandalf cleaned out his pipe as he sighed,
"We'll ignore that and say it was a misguided burglar attempt tomorrow."
Silence, followed by a roar of laughter.
The unknown in the bushes outside did not contribute to the conversation.

Without wanting to compare Mirasol and Pixel Qi (they are very different ideas after all), Pixel Qi does have a touchscreen prototype out there.

You are a fool if you think those can protect you from the three letter agencies. Hope this doesn't spoil your day.

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/64143

Companies decry government regulation and restrictions on the free market, and yet at the same time use those exact same "tools" of restrictions to subvert each other.

Maybe that's free market at it's best? Using all tools at your disposal. Sure makes things messy though, doesn't it?

I can't say IBM's finger pointing at Microsoft is terribly surprising though...

Maybe this will help other under-represented sections of society to consider joining the open source developer community.

The vast majority of developers are still white and male, women in particular are still in short supply see - http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/58218

......cue sarcastic comments about women in short supply , sorry for setting that up...

Some one modded me "flamebait" huh? Oh really...?

Also, security people for Air Force: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/63783 from http://www.bluesnews.com/s/112262/safety-dance ...

A link http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/newest-attack-your-credit-card-atm-shims?t51hb&hpg1=mp in the original story, entitled "Newest Attack on your Credit Card: ATM Shims" has some interesting information:

"The shim needs to be extremely thin and flexible. In fact it must be less than 0.1mm"

"The shim is inserted using a "carrier card" that holds the shim, inserts it into the card slot and locks it into place on the internal reader contacts."

"Once inserted, the shim is not visible from the outside of the machine. The shim then performs a man-in-the-middle attack between an inserted credit card and the circuit board of the ATM machine."

"flexible shims are recently being mass produced and widely used in certain parts of Europe"

"Diebold released five new anit-skimming protection levels for its ATM devices june 1st 2010...Unfortunately, none of these helps with the shim skimming attack. That problem has yet to be solved mechanically yet."

See: Encryption restrictions in China.

"If you encrypt data in China, you have to provide the Chinese government the ability to access the keys. By this regulation, the Chinese should be able to get access to [Secure Sockets Layer]-encrypted traffic, too."

It's basically one big Charlie-Foxtrot over there. But if you want to avoid being found out and thrown into a Chinese jail cell, you had better play it safe.

if you notice, they are calling Apple's version iOS not IOS(note the lower case 'i' character, which is Apple's thing)...and of course, they did get permission.

Much to my surprise, there has been a lot of press coverage about the iOS 4 in the enterprise:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9177830/iPhone_4_iOS_4_offer_deeper_enterprise_support

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/062110-five-ways-apples-ios-4.html

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/062110-iphone-ios4-apis-management.html

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06/07/iphone-os-4-0-now-ios-is-here/

Much to my surprise, there has been a lot of press coverage about the iOS 4 in the enterprise:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9177830/iPhone_4_iOS_4_offer_deeper_enterprise_support

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/062110-five-ways-apples-ios-4.html

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/062110-iphone-ios4-apis-management.html

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06/07/iphone-os-4-0-now-ios-is-here/

so Android tries to beat IPhone at every game? the IPhone used to be famous for the security issue of storing user screenshots on the device.