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In the initial claim, California is filing suit, with Oregon, Washington, and Vermont joining, so it's more that the Northeastern states are following the West's lead on this issue. You can see that in the Seattle PI lead editorial today.

However, due to the fact that we're kind of distracted by more than one million internal refugees from the global warming enhanced wildfires in California, we didn't file today so the Northeast jumped the gun.

Regardless, this represents more than 60 percent of the US economy filing suit, and most of the US population.

[T]he liquid stuff has a far worst nutritional outlook.... all that sugar....

You mean all that high fructose corn syrup is bad for you? Don't tell the corn lobby. America has been using sugar tariffs since before the Spanish-American War over a century ago and does not appear to have stopped since then.

Jones Soda and some other less common brands are switching back to real sugar as a marketing strategy.

>>With major corporations from the likes of Microsoft to IBM hiring principally outside the US in China and India, this is where the jobs will be and thus, where the grad students are coming from.

This is misleading. Microsoft has research centers in India and China, but the majority of the software engineering happens in Redmond. Windows, Office, SQL Server, Visual Studio, XBox, Live.com, MSN, are all in the US, and they're not going anywhere. Many of the new overseas jobs are in sales.
Here's an article with some more info.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2003836681_microsoftjobs15.html

>>The real slap in the face of the whole thing is that said companies than have the audacity to complain that we don't have enough educated workers to provide a workforce here in America.

And how do you know that there aren't enough educated workers? Have you tried hiring thousands of software developers and testers? Microsoft is looking for the best talent in the world. Guess what - people born in the US are not magically smarter than the rest of the world. Statistically, you would expect that there would be many top software engineer applicants from non-US countries, especially since they tend to come to the US for their education.

That H1B issue may be true for some companies, but Microsoft is not one of them.

This issue is important to consumers! This is a draconian attack on the very foundation of the First Amendment Speech. An entity or a person with 'deep' pockets believes he can suppress Free Speech through financial intimidation is no different than a foreign junta or a dictatorial regime arresting their opponents for their expression of free speech through military or police action.

Can you imagine where this would lead? Let's warp this ahead in time and say that Video Professor is successful in his suit against the defendants in this case. According to an article in the Denver Post, he promises to take this all the way up to the Supreme Court. Would this not have a chilling effect on every negative review of a product, movie, politician, corporate business practice, restaurant, movie etc.? Could not this open the legal floodgates for anyone who has received a negative review claiming the same cause for libel and defamation? I would lead you to another similar celebrated case being fought against a book review at various places on the web.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1546,PZ-Myers-sued-for-a-negative-review-in-a-blog-post,Boing-Boing or

Here:

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/20/writer-sued-for-a-ne.html.

Here:

http://www.angiegotsued.com/

Would this not suppress every critic out there or limit their comments in a fog of possible litigation?

The bottom line is this. Can a person or a corporate entity who has unlimited financial and legal resources be able to use the judicial system to suppress the Free Speech of outspoken critics who he KNOWS does not have access to those same resources? Litigation in the court system is expensive.

A lawyer can bury the other side in paperwork with legal tactics and strategies using depositions, interrogatories, subpoenas, delays, appeals etc. There is no way that the average consumer has the economic resources to legally fight such a strategy and they knows this. So in effect, they are able silence their critics by De Facto litigation. However, the chilling aftermath of all this is a suppression of the basic First Amendment Rights and Consumer Advocacy.

In the W. R.Grace & Co in the Woburn case and in Libby, Montana, http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/grace03.shtml. Didn't Jan Schlichtmann's Law Firm end up in bankruptcy?

These cases do not merit the free speech dicussion above but only shows how corporations and individuals can use the legal system to advance or protect their business practices from consumers.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/322652_msftvancouver06.html
I wouldn't show MS as an example of Made in the USA.
lookup the xbox production sometime too. http://www.google.com/search?q=xbox+production+international

I really hope these Burmese Generals end up in front of a firing squad.

Where do you want those to end up who pay (US taxpayers) contract killers murdering at random (aka 'Blackwater')?

CC.

Some problems with DNA testing in regards to handling by even trained officers: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/183007_crimelab22.html

Isn't a DNA test by itself not enough for a conviction? I thought I read about possible errors from a normally working test.

Fair enough. My sources are as follows. However, not a single one of them is from this article. And since they obviously contradict it, it would seem that there is NOT a unanimous agreement as to what happened.

The object, Woodman said, was metallic in nature and created a crater 42 feet wide and 15 feet deep. The impact also registered a 1.5-magnitude tremor on the institute's seismic equipment.Ronald Woodman is the director of the Peruvian Geophysical Institute.

Mid sized meteorites are not hot. I'll say it again: Mid sized meteorites are not hot. First, meteoroids are naturally cold. They've been out in the frigid blackness of space for many billions of years -- these rocks are cold down to their very center. Second, because of its size there's a good chance that this meteorite was originally part of a larger meteor that broke up anywhere between 60 and 30km above the surface. If that is the case, the larger meteor's cold interior would become the smaller meteor's cold exterior. Since hardly any surface heating takes place lower than about 30km, this cold surface doesn't warm up by any appreciable amount. Some meteorites, located soon after landing, have actually been reported to have frost on the surface due to their still cold interior.

There 'preliminary' analysis quoted in this article is contradicted by the following; In addition, Woodman stated that astrophysicist José Ishitsuka of Peru's Geophysics Institute, had collected samples of the meteorite and had confirmed that it contained a high degree of iron. It was reported that Ishitsuka retrieved a 3-inch magnetic fragment of the meteorite and has based his conclusion after studying its properties.

What I am attempting to say, is that there is NOT any 'proof' as to what this was, at least not yet. And to simply accept the explination that it was a meteor without the evidence to support it, is not acceptable in any scientific attempt at explaining what happened here. In time, it may be 'proven' to be a meteorite. But that time is not now. It is merely 'speculation' that is a meteorite. Lots of things that fall from space can have a 'high degree of iron', some of them are manmade.

Pop quiz, in the USofA are there:
#1. More terrorists?

#2. More crooked cops?

Now, which of these is this new surveillance technology supposed to protect you from and which ones will have it?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/conductunbecoming/

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2002984005_suspend10e.html

http://www.waxahachiedailylight.com/articles/2007/05/20/dailylight/news/01-05-20-taser.txt

Most "mainstream" news is tainted by big company advertising and influence. Examples:

• Research for sale.
• M$ manipulation of a reporter.
• Decades of tobacco bullshit, that continues still.

Recent media consolidation has made things worse and the Bush administration has gone further in censoring government researchers than any in living memory. Articles like this represent the worst, a concerted attack on science itself.

Oschner, who launched the "war on smoking" put up with a lot of the same kinds of harassment from the tobacco industry. Eventually, truth trumps profits but big tobacco is a disturbing example of how obvious and personal the harm has to be before it registers in the public imagination.

A larger number of reliable news sources helps make problems obvious. The big media counter will be an ever more shrill and less credible mainstream press. Their influence is waning.

Inability to feel pain is usually the result of a genetic disorder. Start here:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/01/27/rare.conditions/index.html

or here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002079182_nopain02.html

Well, in other words, just google...:-)

Microsoft has settled its trademark-infringement lawsuit against Lindows.com and will pay $20 million to the San Diego-based startup, bringing an unusual end to a case that made Lindows famous.

In the final analysis, getting sued by Microsoft might have been the best thing to happen to Lindows. The company has received vast amounts of free publicity from the lawsuit, positioning itself as David to Microsoft's Goliath. And now, David is embarrassingly richer, and Goliath is richly embarrassed.

"We may wake the giant, but we're ready."

From the article: "If you are running file-sharing software, you are giving criminals the keys to your computer," said assistant U.S. attorney Kathryn Warma. "Criminals are getting access to incredibly valuable information."
This woman sure adds some emotions to her wordings! It's not like she's added any media spin! never! . Sheesh. This woman must be aiming for a job with microsoft. From the last link I just provided: "We know that Robert Soloway is one of the most prolific spammers in the world," Warma said before the hearing. "He has condemned them (his victims) to perpetual spam hell" unless they escape by canceling their domain names or changing their Internet protocol addresses.
Spam Hell? Although the woman does seem to prosecute for some good causes (people who use botnet attacks, etc), why does it seem like there's an excess of spin in her quotes to people? Seems like she wants to just scream "EEEVILLL" or something.

"Except that, well, they didn't. They issued vouchers when SUSE was (as it still is) distributed under GPLv2 terms, under an agreement with Novell, with very specific limitations on where the patent guarantee applies that are inconsistent with the GPLv3 (which didn't, IIRC, exist at the time the agreement was made.)"

Now there's two things here that give the FSF leverage. One is that Microsoft agreed that Novell should release software under a 'GPLv2 or later' license. The other is that the SuSE vouchers did NOT have an expiration date. Meaning if someone has one of those vouchers, they can wait until GPLv12 to cash it in. There's no way that Microsoft can plead ignorance of the 'GPLv2 or later' language in the code it was distributing, there's no way it can complain about the lack of the expiration date, since it clearly agreed to the voucher system, and Microsoft must surely have been aware that the GPLv3 was being drafted. How can Microsoft suddenly be surprised that it was going to help supply the world with GPLv3 software?

"ah, they do. And, under the terms of the GPLv3, Novell is not permitted to distribute software under the GPLv3 with only the guarantees Microsoft has provided, which are not as broad as the GPLv3 requires."

Except that Novell has confirmed that it's going to go ahead and distribute GPLv3 software anyway. If Alice comes along with a voucher, supplied to her by Microsoft, and gets GPLv3 software from SuSE, and then reads her GPL, happily offers that software to Bob, who gets sued by Microsoft for patent infringement, who is at fault? Bob isn't, he took his GPL at face value. Alice isn't, she took her GPL at face value AND Microsoft helped Alice get this software, with full knowledge that it was going to contain a GPL license. The answer is that both Novell and Microsoft are at fault. Microsoft can't sue Bob, because Microsoft helped Bob (via Alice) get his software with all the GPL guarantees and whatnot. And if Microsoft DOES have the right to sue, then Novell is guilty of copyright infringement for not providing a secure enough GPLv3 guarantee along with the code it supplied.

"Most likely, though, what it really means is that Novell doesn't move SUSE to GPLv3 until and unless the vouchers aren't a substantial issue"

Novell ARE distributing GPLv3 software. The FSF DOES believe the vouchers are a substantial issue, and made that clear as soon as they spotted that the SuSE vouchers had no expiration date. Your 'most likely' scenario is already in the bin.

Great idea, we need to encourage more kids to become politicians and lawyers so that our workers and businesses can compete more effectively against the Chinese, Indians, and Eastern Europeans.

Citations of reliable, public sources documenting the actual numbers of "those" people that you refer to would be a lot more impressive.

Is 36% enough?

"A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/279827_cons piracy02ww.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1 531304,00.htm
http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

That is extremely, extremely saddening to me.

So, what's your response to that?

"The difference could be as fundamental as which brain hemisphere the music engages." -original article I was unaware that the ability for me to enjoy music was based on which part of my brain processed the noise. I don't know, I'm kind of liking how my left brain is processing music. I think I'll let him have his MP3 formats. I'll leave the walking and talking to my right brain.

But most scientists who study Kilimanjaro's glaciers have long been uneasy with the volcano's poster-child status.

Yes, ice cover has shrunk by 90 percent, they say.

But no, the buildup of greenhouse gases from cars, power plants and factories is not to blame.

"Kilimanjaro is a grossly overused mis-example of the effects of climate change," said University of Washington climate scientist Philip Mote, co-author of an article in the July/August issue of American Scientist magazine.

Or perhaps I merely didn't want to spend the time writing full descriptions of each encounter I've had? I'm happy to elaborate on a few of the examples that I mentioned if that would make you happy, although from your tone I doubt I'll convince you, but that's not my aim in my initial post anyway.

I was pulled over for doing 5 mph over the speed limit leaving an airport and ticketed for something around $100. I was riding my motorcycle, driving at a steady pace and straight. Was I speeding, yes. I just would have expected the police to have something better to do than to ticket people going 5 mph over the speed limit. Just seems like oddly place resources. However with the KNOWN ticket quotas in use, it's not surprising.

I was driving home from a party, late, around 3 AM. Note: I am straight edge. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs. I look and dress normally. I was driving a nice sports car and was around 19 years old. I was pulled over by two cops. I've been pulled over for speeding a few times, so I don't react badly to cops. I know to remain calm and courteous, provide my information as requested, etc... The police officers did not ask for my license or registration. Instead they opened my door, and literally pulled me out of the car by my left wrist. I was pushed up against my car, ordered to put my hands on the roof and keep them in sight. I was patted down thoroughly. My car was then searched for about 30 minutes. I was then told to "Go home, and don't be driving around this late!" At no point was I driving badly, exhibiting signs of drug or alcohol use, talking back to or raising my voice to the police officers, or doing anything other than complying with their demands. I'm not stupid. My opinion is that I was profiled for being young, male, in an expensive car, out too late. Perhaps there was another reason, but they didn't provide any justification to me for their actions.

The robbery response I mentioned went as I laid out. Not abusive, but not at all helpful.

I don't think you know people like me:) I haven't had any run ins with the cops since I moved out of Boston (5 years ago) and I certainly don't think of myself as a victim in any area. I just don't have a good feeling about the police (especially in Boston) being, overall, a helpful group of civic minded fellows. My innocence is that I don't drink, drug, smoke, fight, speed (anymore), break the law, get angry, shout, etc...:) Other than speeding (in my past) and downloading the occasional dev build of Leopard I really don't do much "wrong".

You mention that cops are human beings. This is true. However people who strive to become police, a role of authority and the ability to carry a gun/taser/club, often are motivate by two factors. One is that some people really want to help other people. These people end up being good cops. I have no doubt that there are many of them out there. The other factor, and group, are motivated by power, authority, and the weapons. These people typically become bad cops (by my reckoning). Maybe Boston just has more of the bad type than the good type, or maybe I've been unlucky. However even Seattle has it's problems apparently:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/322199_polices ide03.html/
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/248384_gulla15 .html/

If you really think all cops are great and only act harshly when people give them no choice, you're sadly mistaken.

Or perhaps I merely didn't want to spend the time writing full descriptions of each encounter I've had? I'm happy to elaborate on a few of the examples that I mentioned if that would make you happy, although from your tone I doubt I'll convince you, but that's not my aim in my initial post anyway.

I was pulled over for doing 5 mph over the speed limit leaving an airport and ticketed for something around $100. I was riding my motorcycle, driving at a steady pace and straight. Was I speeding, yes. I just would have expected the police to have something better to do than to ticket people going 5 mph over the speed limit. Just seems like oddly place resources. However with the KNOWN ticket quotas in use, it's not surprising.

I was driving home from a party, late, around 3 AM. Note: I am straight edge. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs. I look and dress normally. I was driving a nice sports car and was around 19 years old. I was pulled over by two cops. I've been pulled over for speeding a few times, so I don't react badly to cops. I know to remain calm and courteous, provide my information as requested, etc... The police officers did not ask for my license or registration. Instead they opened my door, and literally pulled me out of the car by my left wrist. I was pushed up against my car, ordered to put my hands on the roof and keep them in sight. I was patted down thoroughly. My car was then searched for about 30 minutes. I was then told to "Go home, and don't be driving around this late!" At no point was I driving badly, exhibiting signs of drug or alcohol use, talking back to or raising my voice to the police officers, or doing anything other than complying with their demands. I'm not stupid. My opinion is that I was profiled for being young, male, in an expensive car, out too late. Perhaps there was another reason, but they didn't provide any justification to me for their actions.

The robbery response I mentioned went as I laid out. Not abusive, but not at all helpful.

I don't think you know people like me:) I haven't had any run ins with the cops since I moved out of Boston (5 years ago) and I certainly don't think of myself as a victim in any area. I just don't have a good feeling about the police (especially in Boston) being, overall, a helpful group of civic minded fellows. My innocence is that I don't drink, drug, smoke, fight, speed (anymore), break the law, get angry, shout, etc...:) Other than speeding (in my past) and downloading the occasional dev build of Leopard I really don't do much "wrong".

You mention that cops are human beings. This is true. However people who strive to become police, a role of authority and the ability to carry a gun/taser/club, often are motivate by two factors. One is that some people really want to help other people. These people end up being good cops. I have no doubt that there are many of them out there. The other factor, and group, are motivated by power, authority, and the weapons. These people typically become bad cops (by my reckoning). Maybe Boston just has more of the bad type than the good type, or maybe I've been unlucky. However even Seattle has it's problems apparently:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/322199_polices ide03.html/
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/248384_gulla15 .html/

If you really think all cops are great and only act harshly when people give them no choice, you're sadly mistaken.

Read this before you think you can be sure about that. They can be wrong, especially the older ones.

Link

Or the the machines may not have been tested properly:

Link

Please, give examples.
Here's one. The same happened with two scientists in a Dutch government-run climatological research institute. I'm sure you can find others, and I am also sure each of these examples can (and have) been countered by arguments of these scientists being fired for bad science or using "improper channels" to release their counter-claims.

This is not an example, Mark Albright was not fired over the incident but stripped of the title "associate state climatologist"

From the source article the heartland.org miss-interprets:
Losing the title doesn't affect the man's employment at the UW

How does it change the situation?

The same arguement could be made against permitting police to use helecopters. Or unmarked cars. Or squad cars. Or horses. Or bicycles. Or the internet. Or computers. Or telephones. Or binoculars. Or tape recorders. Or radar guns. And so on...

The entire argument is a load of crap. If the cops can do something manually, they can do it with some sort of technological assistance.

The legallity of the action being performed doesn't change just because a computer lets them do more of it or do it faster.

The information has always been there, and they could have recorded it if they liked. So it's nothing new.

Doesn't Bill Gates have enough money?

Actually, no, not anymore. Carlos Slim has more, and that cannot stand.

Something that gets me is that this is just another choice for people. I don't understand what all the fus is over.

Why does every article think that when Nintendo's hyping their "practical game" type stuff, it automatically means they'll never make another Mario game ever again? I guess the authors don't know about the word "expand" because this is what Nintendo is doing. Nintendo's even said it themselves (scroll down to the question about market share). Or to put it in MS terms (maybe these marketing-heads will understand it now), "The Wii is introducing a paradigm shift, thus unilaterally expanding the user experience to new high growth areas in untapped markets." I mean, who can't understand that?!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/conductunbecoming/

I think your "Wost case" is more than a little understated.

And your "Best case" is more than a little optimistic.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Not because its not possible that the PATRIOT Act hasn't been used to do what it was sold to do but simply because anyone who's in the know isn't likely to publicly publish anything about it. Consider that this is all about Intelligence and much of the handling of that involves "need to know" practices. Even vague details about what was collected or how it was collected can betray far too much information.

Actually, at least a Congressional committee did hear of examples where USAPATRIOT* powers were used to prevent terrorist (and other non-terrorist criminal) activities.

However that same committee was not told about known abuses of USAPATRIOT, Att. General Gonzales said that as far as he knew there had been none. Of course as should be no suprise by now he was lying.

The government is going to trump every success story they possibly can to justify their policies. It's their failures they are going to try to cover up as best as possible.

* I always use the full name just to emphasize how retarded it is. Honestly, could they have come up with a dumber acronym? I guess they couldn't think of enough words to make USAPATRIOTBASEBALLANDAPPLEPIE. As "Get Your War On" said, "Always remember: Grown-ups did this".

Why only worry about robots? Anything that can make it easier for a cop to hurt someone would worry me.

New graduates at Microsoft are paid on the order of $60,000. _New_ graduates. That's a loooong way from next to nothing (indeed, in most western countries, you need around 10 years experience to get onto that pay grade). Microsoft salaries appear to be extremely generous.

I am not a Microsoft lover, by the way - I don't run any Microsoft software and actively avoid it. But to claim $60K is 'next to nothing' for a new graduate is not right.

(Ref. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/libra ry/MSCompGu.jpg - new graduates are level 59)

I don't know why everyone needs to comment without looking at the leaked MS Salary documents:

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/libra ry/MSCompGu.jpg
(from http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/internal-micr osoft-compensation.html)

Fulltime out of university is level 59.

I don't see how this move will help Microsoft to recruit and retain quality programmers. There are plenty of quality programmers in the U.S. Look at the great code linux programmers produce on a daily basis. They're obviously not paying enough to recruit these programmers. I say, spend some of those cash reserves to buy better programmers. Otherwise, the quality of their software will continue to decline.

You may think goats eat anything, but they are actually particularly choosy. Depending on what your weed problem is, they will actually eat the weeds preferentially and keep them under control. They find things like blackberry, etc especially tasty. Very important to keep them out of your garden though, because they also like roses and other flowers.

Of course if your problem is bracken, bring on the Robot. Nothing eats that stuff.

So the AP writers had to say not much at all, other than "oh, silly Moore, the government says Part D will cost $729 billion now, not $800 billion [we asked the chief actuary, he should know!]" and [if there was a long list of pre-existing conditions] "nobody would have insurance" which is a very large stretch, after all, not everyone in the country has diabetes or cancer. And "some of the elderly in the drug program could end up paying more for their prescriptions than they did before."

There are good things to question about it, especially the Cuba visit which goes against everything I've heard about the current state of affairs for Cuban doctors (they were once a force to be reckoned with, but Castro has been increasingly "trading" the doctors to other countries like Venezuela for oil and other favors, and since 2000 this activity has increased to the point that there are simply no more doctors at all in many of the neighborhoods). Most likely Moore was given special treatment for being American and bringing a film crew.

As for covering a house, when I enrolled with United Healthcare, I received a thick package in the mail containing
- a booklet of psychological and drug rehab services that were covered
- a fold-out flyer listing things that were not covered (approximately one page of things like batteries, barbers, televisions, treatment of obesity or gynecomsmastia, acts of war, organ transplants, infertility treatments, cosmetic surgery, any preexisting condition for the first 18 months of "Creditable Coverage" if I enroll late or 12 months otherwise) as well as a large table of what to expect should I dare to go out of their network (inner two pages of the flyer, for most things it just costs twice as much, though some things that are limited to a fixed copay for in-network services (such as vaccinations, etc) are a percentage of the total cost for out-of-network providers)
- a two sided flyer titled "Other cost sharing information" that lists more exclusions on one side, and a description of the drug plan on the other.
- A letter thanking me for my cooperation in advance of letting them know whether I have any other insurance they can foist the cost of healthcare on.
- Two separate flyers for their 24 hour nurse support hotline so I can call and ask whether I should go to the ER or my doctor's office should I slice my hand open.
- A flyer for their drug plan
- A fold-out generic three page flyer describing their vision plan options (for my plan: one eye exam every other year, no glasses) and listing all of the in-network providers in Texas on two pages (roughly 20 separate providers in Houston, with one provider being Today's Vision with roughly 20 locations), with a misplaced letter tucked inside letting me know that United Healthcare's Medco Health program is the new name for the Merck-Medco (where have I heard "Merck" before...) program and two pages of forms for their mail-order pharmacy.
- A book of in-network physicians in Texas. 33 pages of primary physicians arranged by county in 5 columns, 48 pages of specialists by specialty then county, and 6 pages of "other providers" including surgical centers, laboratories and therapists.
- A booklet describing the various services that United Healthcare offers as well as other general information on preventative health and nutrition
- One sided flyer listing in-network retail pharmacies
- One sided flyer advertising the Merck-Medco and United Healthcare customer service lines
- Trifold brochure for privacy policy and practices ("We may share any of the personal information we collect with our affiliates as permitted by law. We may also disclose this information to non-affiliated entities or individuals as permitted or required by law." Looks like they have all the corner cases covered there)
- Business card of the insurance agent
- A trifold brocure describing the "standard vision program" ("Preferred pricing"

hers a linky to the rollout of the dreamliner in the middle of the night
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/popup.asp?Sub ID=2642&page=1&GTitle=First%20787%20Dreamliner%20& css=gtitle.css&pubdate=06/26/2007

I defer to your knowledge as a Boeing employee -- but rolling one out every three days isn't the same thing as doing the assembly in three days. I believe the plan for the 787 is for the plane to only spend three days on the assembly line.

It's a shame that the rollout is being delayed -- as of yesterday, newspapers were still saying 7/8/7 here and here Apparently the plane has been fully assembled and has been already been rolled from the assembly hangar to the paint hangar.

Thad Beier

You are joking, right? Assembly of the first A350 won't even begin for about 5 years. It's not at design freeze. The 787 is about to roll out, and first flight is in a few months.

Yeah, it kind of reminds me of when Airbus called Boeing's composite barrel design "old fashioned"!

Bearing in mind that nobody has produced such a design yet, including Airbus. Until Boeing did it a couple of weeks ago, that is.

The A350 was designed in direct response to the 787, which surprised Airbus in the amount of interest it received (they had at the time placed their bets on the now-troubled A380 program, which may never break even). Saying the 787 copied any of the A350's design or construction methods is getting it completely backwards.

What do you mean when you say "notoriously insecure networks"?

What do you mean when you say "notoriously insecure networks"?

> this looks like it will end up being AirBus space a 'company'
> which constantly has to be subsidized by European governments.

Actually, Airbus gets less government subsidies than Boeing:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/207500_boei ngeu12.html
http://www.buffalo.edu/reporter/vol35/vol35n40/art icles/Boeing.html
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/mo dele.pl?prod=45591&session=dae.26554147.1181794517 .@nCJ838AAAEAACY5icwAAAAB&modele=jdc_1

"Desktop search has always been a feature of the Windows operating system, even before Google existed

You're not seriously comparing Google Desktop Search to this:

Click Start, Search, For Files or Folders, on The Internet, Using Microsoft Outlook, For People, MORE, Look for Files or Folders Named, Containing Text", Look In, My Documents, Desktop, My Computer, Local Hard Drives , Browse !!!!!

It's just a repeat of what they did with Internet Explorer/Netscape and Real Player/Media Player. There's no technical reason Google Search and MS search can co-exist on the desktop, but that ain't the way it's going to be. Makes itself the default search engine that can't be turned off?

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